Triforce! - Thunderclap McCrushman Von Wolfenstein III | Triforce #340

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Pickax Pickax All right, you ready to mark? Yep. Three, two, one. Mark! I think that's maybe one of our best marks yet. That's excellent, Mark.
Starting point is 00:00:24 I want you back, if you can, so synchronized. Keep that mark in to let people know what a professional Mark sounds like. Well, on it sound like the B-sharps when we're all like, Mark, Mark, yeah. Welcome, everyone to the Shrifles podcast. Oh, gosh.
Starting point is 00:00:42 Today, we're slapping each other on the back about being able to say Mark in sync. At the same time, yeah. We're full adults, full responsible adults. Little victories. You have to celebrate the small wins that come along, you know? You have to celebrate the really big ones, too, though. Don't forget about the big ones. or the small ones.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Of course. All the wins. Any win is worth celebrating. Exactly. I've got to say, you know, it's one degree outside. It's cold day. It was hailing here earlier. It snowed here yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Yesterday morning. Frid breeze across Britain. And we're in full swing preparation for jingle jam as a time of recording. Time is ticking away. I got some bad news for you guys. I was going to try to come down for the jingle jam, but I don't think I can now because our local airline has gone bust.
Starting point is 00:01:35 The one with the Bristol route went into voluntary liquidation like two days ago. Blue Islands. Yeah, Blue Islands gone, yeah. They're done. Damn. Poor old blue islands.
Starting point is 00:01:48 And they owe the states of Jersey nine million pounds. Well, funny you should ask that because the boat schedule is not available this winter either. the new ferry service that the island got last year have decided that there's no winter schedule. So if you live here and you're away for university or whatever, you're trying to get home for Christmas, I don't know what you can do.
Starting point is 00:02:12 You're swimming, I guess. You're like Greenland. You're, you know, we're isolated. We're completely isolated, yeah. That's it. Apparently, Logan Air are stepping in to potentially take over. I don't know if they're going to be taking over route for route what Blue Islands is left behind. but Logan Air were trying to make a play to get into the island, but on a longer time frame.
Starting point is 00:02:34 And they've been given a whole bunch of money from the local government to speed things up and do it in the next 48 hours. So that would be interesting. Oh, well, so you think you will be able to come? No, I don't think, I think by the time everything gets sorted out and settled and stuff, I think it'll be months. Oh, tell me, P-Flex, you haven't got some sort of cancellation for Jingle Jam. Oh, God, you can just try it. sincerely hope not. You just drive up. I'll fucking run if I need to run down there. Okay. Well, run up and down. I mean, I know that this is Sips coming up with an excuse. You know, the airline's
Starting point is 00:03:08 gone. No, it's in the news. It's in the news. It's real. It's real. It's real. I mean, I can, I can get as far as London, but then I got to make my way, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, my cat's going to be ill that time. You know, my wife's boyfriend's coming around. Yeah, he, well, he lives with us. He doesn't need to come around. Stuff. Well, already, Zilis isn't coming to Jingle Jam
Starting point is 00:03:34 because he can't find a suitable dog sitter for his dog revving. And I understand that's important. Can't find a dog shitter at time. It's just not dog shit. Man, I should have used that one. I could have gotten away with it better
Starting point is 00:03:50 with an excuse like that, yeah. I had to concoct up this whole lie about the local airline. it's like easily bring bring bring bring remi because he has a dog passport little doggy passport remi mary um his his dog his dog rome he's like he's like a he's like a fancy he's like he's a doodle he's one of the doodle varieties he's a doodle they don't shed apparently doodles yeah he's like a a lovely soft winter jumper in dog form um they don't shed much Labradoodle
Starting point is 00:04:21 That would be That would be no good for you Sips Because you'd never get visited If they don't They don't shed To the shed To see you That was I don't know
Starting point is 00:04:29 I was experimental Are you feeling what Joke I'm not feeling great To be honest I think it's the It's the weather Plus
Starting point is 00:04:40 The pressures You know I'm moving So I started thinking about I started making a list Of all the things I need to do Right It's like
Starting point is 00:04:47 On the list was Make terrible jokes or is that it's just throwing me through a loop I'm sure everyone's similar top of the list you guys know these this game five hearts under one roof no I've never heard of that is it a sexual content game yeah I think it's I think it might be Korean it might be might be Korean I don't know either way it's it's about these it's got FMV in it it's an FMV game so I added this to my fucking wish list the other day because I thought that looks like It would be a fun game to stream, and people would be like,
Starting point is 00:05:22 holy shit, what is this? Because I sometimes like to throw a curveball like that. I then, my buddy messages me that evening. He's like, notice you added five hearts under one roof, too, to your wish list. Thinking of streaming it, and I could see, he was making sure that I was going to stream it. And I wasn't just gooning to it. And I was like, yes, of course. That would be hilarious.
Starting point is 00:05:41 And he was like, cool. Oh, I found it. Five Hearts Under One Roof Season 2. FMV, dating sim, Choices Matter, immersive sim. Right. And then... It's not overly sexual. It's not really sexual.
Starting point is 00:05:53 It's sending me heart signals. Exactly. So then I noticed... One of them is called Gran. The Triforce subreddit this morning. Someone posted a clip of Northern Lions saying, it's not porn. It can't be porn because Perian Flacks added it to his wish list. So you don't know me that one.
Starting point is 00:06:10 All the women, the lovely characters in it have lovely Korean names, Minjun Park, Yun Bingo, and Gran Dong. Dong. Grand dog, yeah. I don't know if I would want to date someone whose name was Grand Dong. What about somebody whose name was Agnes? That's my dog's name. Yeah, but, okay, for a dog, it's a cute name.
Starting point is 00:06:29 And my friend's girlfriend is named Agnes, and she's lovely. Okay, fine. I'll think of another name. How about Helga? So many people change their names. I'd love to meet a Helga, wearing a durnal of some kind, some kind of busty. Oh, hi, I'm, hello, Edward, it is I, Helga. Come on, who does he hay with me?
Starting point is 00:06:46 That's Helga. I'm all about that. Okay, what about guys' names? Guys' names that don't sound very sexy. Go. Well, I don't find any guys sexy. What about Aloysius? What about Aloysius is a pretty nerdy?
Starting point is 00:06:58 Aloysius could be an absolute dish. It still ain't doing it for me. Alloicious. Well, I think it sounds like a nerds name, personally, but. I'm sure it does. There are a lot of names that don't do it for me. Yeah. I just, but the funny thing is with names is that it entirely depends on your experience.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Because as soon as I say a name, like, E need it, you know, Enid. Enid, Pyrin will be like, oh, my four-year-old goes to school with an Enid. Yeah. It's coming around again. It's like, okay. Yeah. I wouldn't date a four-year-old either, so I guess, like, is it still out?
Starting point is 00:07:31 Do I mean, if it's coming around again, that's not, it's still in the, in the Venn diagram of old lady names that are unattractive and very young children names. Yeah. I don't think that game is a porn game, by the way. No, it's just, it's literally. like a dating game. It's a dating, Choices Matter, immersive sim.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I don't think it has, yeah, it sounds correct. It's sometimes tricky to tell, though, but I guess most of the ones that are horn tend to be cartoon-based
Starting point is 00:08:01 or like animated in some way rather than live action. Wow, there are, in fact, tons of these games. Yes.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Five Hearts Under One Roof, two. What about Road to Empress? That's another full motion video game flax that maybe you would like to add to your wish list as well. You've never played a game like this before. Road to Empress 1 is a cinematic palace adventure where your choices decide everyone's fate. Palace adventure. A palace adventure, yeah. Tackle multiple story branches and high mortality. Road to Empress 1. We were going to play this this week and Braves just played
Starting point is 00:08:38 the whole thing. It's actually really cool. It's an FMV game. These games are like not good well apparently this one is fine but these games typically are where's the titties I'm out this one I'm out no interest there's a whole trend towards these not having titties in them though that's the thing
Starting point is 00:08:57 I think they're trying to game then that's just a game yeah but I think they're trying to reestablish the genre after basically the whole genre was hijacked by that creepy guy who taught people how to date or whatever what was that one called super seduce
Starting point is 00:09:11 that's the one yeah but since before that and even since that there hasn't really been anything amazing in this genre. Are you forgetting contradictions, sir? I am absolutely for you. I don't even know anything about it. Do you think that you Sips would have changed? If you were like Ariana Grande, I think she'd have changed her name from, I think, in fact,
Starting point is 00:09:33 I think actually that is her name, but I think it's Ariana Grande Boutera. She used to have a Grande Boutera now. She's too skinny now. I think she's bringing back that anorexic look. It's kind of depressing, actually. Yeah, it's not a good look. It is very sad. But she's obviously taken out the butt era because it's sort of slightly like yours is Chris loves ass.
Starting point is 00:09:56 Do you, I'm sorry to bring back the school room bullying. Why would you say that so flatly in the same way to say he loves ham sandwiches? Like, you know, it's like he's literally. Chris loves ass. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Chris loves us. Oh, do you think that if you'd got into acting, you would have thought,
Starting point is 00:10:14 seriously about changing your name because I probably would have done as well. I think my... I've never really been all that comfortable with my name or thought it was like catchy. What, Lewis Brindley? Lewis ever since the door board.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Louis. Louis Brinley. Hello. Yes, my name, thank you for the audition opportunity. My name is Lewis Brindley. And I will be appearing as Ariano Grande Boutera today.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Thank you. Oh. I can't wait. I don't know if I would bother. Like, some people's names sound too good to be true, right? Like, I don't think Tom Cruise's real name is Tom Cruise, for example. That does sound too good. It sounds too good to be true.
Starting point is 00:10:56 I always feel like every Hollywood celebrity from back in the day. His name is Tom Cruise Mapathur, the fourth. Nice. Mapother. M-A-P-O-T-H-E-R. Damn. Like, I feel like every Hollywood star, like, I don't know, who should I just, if I just pick one random person, like, Eddie Lamar, right, Hedy Lamar.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Yeah, exactly. Her real name was Hedvig, Eva, Maria, Keith Kaisler. Kiskeisler. Right. It was a classic thing where you would reinvent yourself with this quite unique name, right? Yeah. And I guess Hedy is only a short thing. What about Marilyn Monroe?
Starting point is 00:11:40 Was that really her name? Marilyn Monroe. It can't be, right? It just sounds way too good to be true. Tits McGee. Marilyn, oh, I talked to Marilyn Manson. Marilyn Manson is Bruce Hugh Warner. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Marilyn Monroe. Bruce, she had a different ring to it. Her real name was Norma Jean, of course. Norma Jean, of course, yeah. Norma Jean Mortensen. Do you want to hear some other celebrity real names? Yes. Well, Reese Witherspoons, so I don't know why this is a big reveal.
Starting point is 00:12:07 It's actually Laura Jean Reese Witherspoon. So she just went for the end. A lot of people grab their middle name and use that. Some don't. Katie Perry. It was Kate Catherine Hudson. She adopted her mother's maiden name, Perry, which is there. Natalie Portman is probably the craziest one.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Netter Lee Herschlag. Wow. Yeah, that's nuts. Demi Moore is Demetria Gene Geinus. Demetria Jean Guinness. Pleasure to make your acquaintance. My name is Horatio. Horatio Edmund
Starting point is 00:12:41 Floppenstein the third I'm afraid to say you have a terrible Demetriotian Gines All right, how about Joaquin Phoenix? His real name is Joaquin Raphael Bottom His parents ditched the last name Bottom in 1970
Starting point is 00:12:59 and reinvented themselves as the Phoenix You've got ass in my name too Maybe maybe this is it Maybe it's time for me to change Think of a cool name for me to take on then because I can't think of any. Are you happy with Chris? No, I want something more exciting.
Starting point is 00:13:15 If I'm changing, I'm going big. I'm not just going to, I'm not just going to be a change. How about, no, but how about similar, but not so like Chris with a Zed? Terd Ferguson. We've got to go big here, guys. It's got to be a big change. What about the first name's thunder clap? You have to, like, spice it up.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Right. Like, Ringo Starr. Thunder clap devastator, Muck, Crushman. Van Wulfen. Von Wolfenstein. What about having Wolfenstein in there somewhere? Yeah, we could put Thunder Clap Wolfenstein, the third. That sounds cool.
Starting point is 00:13:47 You can push that in there. Some of these, so Jamie Fox's real name is Eric Marlon Bishop. That's very different from Jamie Fox. Oh, so he changed his name to Jamie Fox so that he would appear on, people would mistake him for a female comedian. So he would think they would always get a slot. So he called himself Jamie Fox with two exes, so the bookers would think he was a woman. And then, and then that's it. That's it.
Starting point is 00:14:09 And then he would get the slot. That can't be right. That doesn't sound right. Most people that have cool names definitely have boring real names. Like for example, the Wu-Tang Clan all have cool names, for instance. He wanted to, okay, Jamie Fox, it says he chose it because it was ambiguous enough to disallow any biases with his surname attribute to the black comedian Red Fox. And yeah, female queens were often.
Starting point is 00:14:38 called first to perform and he wanted to be up there first. So he thought he could trick them. But Red Fox's name wasn't that. It was John Elroy Sandford. Right. Well, listen, okay, listen to these names. Okay, the Riza's real name is Robert Diggs. The Jizz's real name is Gary Grice. Oh, I hate that one. Oh, I hate that one. Yeah, I think we talked about this. Method man is Clifford Smith. Maybe even within the last two months.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Rayquine is Corey Smith. Maybe they're related. You got a Jason Hunter in there, Inspector to deck. Master Killers' name is Elgin Turner. It just wouldn't be the same, right? If it was like the latest LP from Elgin Turner. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Gary. They have these really cool names. Capadonna's real name is Daryl Hill. Like these are the names of electricians. You know, like you'd have an electrician round. Hi, I'm Daryl Hill, local electrician. But then they put on their stage names and all of a sudden it's like, whoa, this guy is more than an electrician.
Starting point is 00:15:36 He's, I guess it's part of their costume. It is. Yeah. And I think coming back to we were talking about Hollywood stars the same, it is just a part of like a... So I think in some ways it's a persona that they make and they acted out too, you know? Some actors... What did you settle on Harvey Thunderclap?
Starting point is 00:15:52 What was it? What did you... No, it was a Thunderclap von Wolfenstein. Oh, you're bringing the German back. Yeah, we wanted to go in big. They got rid of the... No, no, we're going the other way now. That's a real... The impigrant surname. Yeah. I'm going to bring back Goebbels. My name is...
Starting point is 00:16:08 The gherblers are proud of it. The world is ready for another garrows. Oh my God. That is way too pretty, actually, P-Flex. Holy shit. Well, you think there'll be another gherbles coming up. Well, the way the right wings are taken over, you know. Well, don't want to get into politics, Lewis.
Starting point is 00:16:26 If you're going to do that, we're going to balance it out. Oh, go, boof, Stalin, eh? I'm wearing a diaper. Not those tree fucking hub-hugging grie hippies who love their fucking Bloody, good nature. You're woke. Gun all woke. Gosh, we can balance it out.
Starting point is 00:16:45 We've balanced it out. Good balancing, guys. Good balancing, guys. We're not the BBC. We have no obligation to be inverted, commas, balanced. Which I always find so vague anyway. What's the idea? Well, what's the rules on that balance, you know?
Starting point is 00:17:02 I believe the point is that if you present something with any editorializing, you have to present an alternate view to the one that you're editorialized. I see. If something happened, some economic decision was made, and the only people you got on the BBC to talk about it were people that you could point to and say, those people are clearly left-wing, you know, like, Labour, liberal kind of left-wing, that that's not fair in describing the situation to people explaining it, because there might be an alternative, conservative
Starting point is 00:17:32 take on that same decision that is not being presented. The problem is that that idea, for me, is set up when both sides are still fairly close together. It's just a slightly different opinion on what we should do in this situation. When you have to both sides, the left with people who are like, you know, just off oil, and the right, which are people like fascists, then you've got a problem. And I think that is where a lot of this dystopian sort of modern politics is so depressing to me, is that we're platforming people that I think
Starting point is 00:18:04 even 15 years ago we would have considered an asthma to politics and now it's like he's entitled to his opinion actually and this guy's arm
Starting point is 00:18:13 is just locked out in a Nazi salute that they can barely fit him through the door they've got him on a fucking trolley to wheel him in Dickhouse
Starting point is 00:18:20 and like well you know we've got a balanced view here so we've brought in recreation of him my name is Barrett
Starting point is 00:18:27 Santa Club von Neumann and I'm in the size of out he's entitled to his opinion So, you know, a question for the member of the audience here. Yeah, hello. My name is Herr Goebbels the second. I'm not related to the real Goebbels.
Starting point is 00:18:44 My question is, if you are, when will set plan for world domination? This brain into action? Good question, my friend. We have never met. What I would like to assure you that world domination will occur any moment now. well thank you now over to the labor minister for bread what do you have to say about it well no i think what's really important silence
Starting point is 00:19:10 that's literally all that happens on these shows now yeah question time is uh is fucking outrageous sometimes if you ever watch it depending on who they get on there it's just like it's just artful dodgers you know that none of them fucking answer the question you know they skirt around it skirt around it They're almost laughing because it's so absurd how much they avoid answering a direct question. But we just let it happen every time. We just let it slide all the time.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Anyway, let's slide away from this because it does irritate all of us. But so what have you guys be doing? I want to hear something really mundane and boring you've done this week. I'll tell you what I've been up to. I went to Spain this weekend. It was really fun. I had a really fun time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:58 I went to Madrid. I hadn't really been properly to Madrid. We had a lot of time to just wander around and visit a lot of like old bars and drink a lot of nice beers. And we had some vermouths and lots of olives. They ate a lot of olives and breadsticks and some other fun snacks. And we went to a lot of arcade bars as well, which were really fun. They have like retro arcade machines in them. You can drink a lot while you're there.
Starting point is 00:20:30 And there's like a bit of dancing, there's music and stuff. Like it's a mixture of all sorts of stuff, but really fun. We were playing a lot of puzzle fighter, if you remember that. It's like street, street fighter with like, mixed with like Dr. Mario, you play against each other. You have to get like, you got to get like big, big, big combos, big lines to send more stuff over to the other guy's side and stuff. It was fun.
Starting point is 00:20:52 My friend beat me like eight times in a row. I couldn't figure out how he was doing it. And then it turned out. out that he just said, I just dropped things really fast. That was his whole strategy. Yeah. And I watched him play against my other friend one time because I need to learn the moves. And it was like, this guy is not coherently making moves. Like, he is just guessing and dropping stuff really fast, like he said. But he won. Every game, it was crazy. After he told you that strategy, you didn't try and-
Starting point is 00:21:19 No, because I thought he was just, you know, trying to like deflect me away, you know? Like, you know, sometimes you tell somebody, I'm just doing this, but like, Like, they're really not telling you their strategy. But he was, he was being truthful. Maybe he just was trying to make you feel better. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. But it was, it was, it was fun.
Starting point is 00:21:36 I got to catch up with a bunch of guys I grew up and went to school with that I've just, I've been in touch with, like, throughout. And every once in a while when everybody is, is in, in or around Europe, and it's easy enough for me to get over there, I go meet them. And it was fun. It was great. I, uh, yesterday. So it's my, my youngest.
Starting point is 00:21:56 She is 14 today So happy birthday to her And yesterday she had Out of the blue a teacher training day So they got the day of school Oh my God So we went in and met Mrs. F in town For lunch
Starting point is 00:22:09 Mrs. F was at work So we went to meet her for lunch And we had steak and lobster Is the name of the restaurant Burger and lobster Burger and lobster is cool You eat both things at the same time No you can choose a combination
Starting point is 00:22:21 Of the two Right So you can have a burger You can have a lobster roll or you can have a lobster or you can have combos where you get a bit of each of those things. Right. Okay. I went for lobster and chips. Love a lobster. Grilled, whole lobster, let's go. They both had a lobster roll. And that was nice. And then we went shop and I bought her a couple of things.
Starting point is 00:22:41 You were well within the rules of having chips with other food on that one. There was no. How do you mean? There was it. It wasn't too. What's the other carb? Chips and bread. Chips and bread, yeah. What bread? Was the lobster stuffed with anything? It was lobster.
Starting point is 00:22:57 It was a lobster. Did they stuff it? No, it was stuffed with its own flesh. Right. Did you suck it out of its shelf? I did. I got all the tools. Was it really messy and slurping?
Starting point is 00:23:07 It was not that messy. Did you have to use a bit of tools? I didn't need a bib. If you'd need a bib, you're probably eating like an animal. Right. It's not that hard. It comes cut down the middle. They cut it down.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Well, it comes sliced right down the middle. They open it up for you. They must have a thing. They go, eh. and just cuts it in half. But it's like, it's beautiful. And then, you know, when they've done that, I think they boil it and then they grill it.
Starting point is 00:23:29 So it's all nicely done. The only thing you've got to have trouble with is cracking open the claws and the other joints. Right. Because the meat in there is delicious. The dark meat. You've got to get that out. So they give you like a long pick and a pair of nutcrackers.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Do they chop its head off before they serve it to you? They don't. The head is there. Little antenna's eyeballs looking at you. It's just staring at you the whole time. Don't eat me. Stop eating my insides. I saw him in the tank a minute ago.
Starting point is 00:23:53 And now I'm eating. How could you do Mr. Pinchy like this? Sorry, Mr. Pinchy, you're just too delicious. Just like a tear forming in one of his dead eyes. I can't believe this happened to me. Sadly, he's just too delicious, so I had to eat him. Nice. And then, luckily I got Mrs. F's Christmas quiz.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Oh. Her company does every year. They do like a pub quiz for the company and the clients and stuff. So I managed to get a copy of that quiz. And I have the questions here. If you'd like to buy a little bit of quizzing. Yeah. I'm definitely down for that.
Starting point is 00:24:24 All right. We should just turn this into a quiz podcast, honestly. We don't do quizzes that much, okay? No, no, we don't do that much. The last time we did a quiz was like probably 12 podcasts ago. Like, we haven't done a quiz in so long. Yeah, it's very rare. We're looking forward to the quiz, Lewis.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Don't spoil this, all right? Don't spoil this for me. Don't spoil this. Point Nemo is more than 1,600 miles from land. Yeah. It's so remote that the nearest humans are often on board, the ISS. Yes. And which ocean is Point Nemo?
Starting point is 00:24:51 Pacific. Lewis Brindley. Hang on, can you hear me? Give me the question again. So it's going on with my internet. I can just, look, again, it's one of those podcasts where it's just going to be weird. But ask me one more time. Point Nemo, which ocean?
Starting point is 00:25:05 Oh, no idea. Indian. Hey, can I just say that this is such a timely question because just this morning, while I was getting my youngest ready for school, she was watching a show on CBBs called GoJetters, and they were talking about Point Nemo. Are you serious? I swear to God, yeah. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:25:22 What the hell? So you had insider information? So this is fresh knowledge, insider information. Who were Alan Carr's fellow traitors and celebrity traitors? Well, all of them, there was like 20 of them. No, no, no. There were two fellow traitors. Oh, it was Jonathan Ross and it was, oh, I can't remember her name now. Her name was like Chip Renigan or Chad Cheswick. Cat Burns.
Starting point is 00:25:47 It's pretty close. Cat Burns. Is that a real name? Sounds like it could be. Which country will start using the euro on the 1st of January, 2026? It is Slovenia. It's not. My 14-year-old's guess was Japan.
Starting point is 00:26:04 It's about as good as Slovenia as a guest. It's a powerful guest. It's Bulgaria. It's just as wrong as our guess is. It's Bulgaria. Okay. Am I at zero and sixes a two? Well, yeah, but I don't know if you're listening because it keeps cutting out for you.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I'm listening. I've just really done. I've got a handicap. He's funny listening. And sweating and dumb. So he is listening. I've granted him that. What I am saying is I'm not sure if he's hearing.
Starting point is 00:26:28 So I'm just kind of moving on. Otherwise, we have to wait at the end of every question. So just bark your answer out. If you think you got one, just chuck it out there, Lulu. He's got seven monitors with spreadsheets on them for jingle jam. That's what's happening right now. I do know something's going on with my home internet. I think it's because they know I'm leaving this flat.
Starting point is 00:26:45 So it's just, it's on the way out. All right. So this one, bear in mind, this is a Christmas quiz. Okay, everyone's got a little bit of tizzle. little hat on. There's clients and there's people in the company there. Everyone's got a couple of drinks. It's a laugh. This is question five of this Christmas quiz. Christmas quiz. The Quismuth quiz. The Quismith quiz. You were you in Christmas stuff at the lobster place when you did the quiz? No, I didn't do a quiz. Did Mr. Pinchie have a little Santa Claus hat on and a little beard?
Starting point is 00:27:12 No. She had her Christmas lunch in November. No. She, yes, this is, this is a lot of the time companies will do this stuff before December because once you get to December, it's very hard to book shit and everybody's busy. Christmas parties are always like late November. Well, why don't you book it in fucking July? On that logic. Because you have to involve clients and you're not sure if you'll still have those clients in July.
Starting point is 00:27:34 All right. I'm just covered on all the basis. Just got an answer for everything, this guy. I apologize. So this is a quithmuth quith. Clients are there. Everyone's having a good time. This is five questions in.
Starting point is 00:27:45 They ask this one. Lena Medina is the youngest confirmed mother in medical history of what age did she give birth to her son. 11. She was five years old. Fucking hell. That is insanity. So she went on to have a second son at 39.
Starting point is 00:27:59 But here's my thing. This is a revolting question and answer. This is absolutely horrible. Yeah. The implications of a five-year-old giving birth are... Right. We all know what this means. So why is that in a Christmas?
Starting point is 00:28:14 I could not believe it. Merry Christmas, everybody. And goodwill to all men on Earth. Wait, wait, wait. We've got an update. This is not a Christmas. quiz. So they normally have this quiz in autumn question and answer. Oh, it's like
Starting point is 00:28:25 a like a harvest jamboree quiz. So this is a late quiz. You think this is what they, the quiz they have for the free harvest jamboree that they lay on for all the employees. That's nice, actually. That's a beautiful question. It's a fine. Most people should be doing that. It's the season to be. Name three women who were on
Starting point is 00:28:41 Epstein's Island. I mean, what's the next one of they've cut him out. They've cut him out. They've been taken out. They've shut him down. One shot one kill. CIA got him. He knew too much.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Who's older? Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt? Tom Cruise. By how many years? Probably like 10? Two. Oh, sorry. Tom Cruise is 63 and Brad Pitt is 61.
Starting point is 00:29:05 How about that? How about that? Donald Cruz looks older than 63. For the longest time, he looked younger than he was, but then in the last two years, he passed some sort of threshold where now he just looks really old. Once you get to 60. Yeah. Like, I've noticed that.
Starting point is 00:29:21 I'm 49. I look a lot older now than I did five years ago. Man, I still look so young and fresh, like, you wouldn't. But I guess I'm only 45, so. Ah, yeah. Which AI chatbot could be prompted to praise Hitler and call for a second Holocaust in an update in July. It's GROC. It was grok. It was crazy, huh?
Starting point is 00:29:43 Yeah, that is crazy. All right, Kai Senat is a popular Twitter streamer who popularized the viral word including Riz. What does Riz mean? It's like charisma. It's like a short form for saying like you've got like a lot of charisma or a lack of charisma. Yeah. I mean, I thought the whole point it was charisma. So Riz has just come out of charisma.
Starting point is 00:30:04 That's what I thought as well. Yeah. Which of these guests has made the most appearances on Joe Rogan's shit podcast? Oh, sorry, hit podcast. Was it Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Elon Musk or Edward Snowden? Elon Musk. He's on it like all the time. Not that I listen to it.
Starting point is 00:30:19 What do you think, Lulu? Lulu. Yeah, that's really interesting. He agrees it is Elon Musk, yeah. It's Neil deGrasse Tyson. No way. He's been on it five times. Elon's only been on it.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Neil de Grassy High Tyson. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Elon Musk has only been on it three times. Who knew? Right. Yeah. And then there's a whole bunch of questions about a countdown of dead celebrities in
Starting point is 00:30:39 2024. Right. This is, as per Forbes, they died. This is how much they made in 2024. In 10th place, John Lennon made $17 million in 2024. John Lennon, John Lennon's still making $17 million? Yeah, how old would he be if he was still alive? He was only like in his 40s when he died and that was in 80, 80, so he would be like he'd be like 80, 81 years old.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Ooh, close, 85. Right, okay. Matthew Perry at number nine, earned 18 million. All just pretty much friends royalties. Yeah. What was the name of his character's annoying ex-girlfriend in the show, Friends? Oh, what was her name, Janice? It was Janice
Starting point is 00:31:19 Chandler With the laugh Yeah Oh my God Yeah What cartoon did Charles M. Schultz Right, 30 million dollars he made
Starting point is 00:31:30 What's a product He was the He was the peanuts guy What was the name of the hurricane? Got put some easy ones in What was the name of the hurricane That recently struck Bob Mali Who went 34 million dollars
Starting point is 00:31:39 His home country of Jamaica What was the name of the hurricane? It was Hurricane Charlotte, Charmaine Charlene Uh-uh I don't know Clementine.
Starting point is 00:31:49 Move away from the letter C. I think I'm thinking of the UK one, which was like, I think it was Charlotte or... This started with an M. Mandy. No. No. Morgan. Molly.
Starting point is 00:32:00 No. Morton. No. Madison. No. Michael J. Fox. No, it's a lady's name. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Miranda. Marjorie. Melissa. Yes. Millie. We've got there in the end. You got it. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:32:17 I'm sorry. I still guessing. My lag is so ridiculous. I don't know what's happening. How many people went to Elvis Presley's home, Graceland last year? Oh, like, 5 million. No, I can give you the numbers. It's a multiple choice. 600,000, 400,000, 200,000. 600,000. Wow. It was 600,000. He made 50 million bucks from Beyond the Great.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Dr. Zeus made 75 million. Yeah. Well, I mean, all of his stories are still widely available for purchase for youngans and stuff? And what is the food stuff that he, Sam I Am, he tries to get Sam Iam to eat? Green eggs and ham. It's green eggs and ham. Freddie Mercury takes silver with an income of $250 million in 2024.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Right. Who played him in the biopic, Bohemian Raps? Man, what is his name? He's the guy that was in, not I-Robot. What is it, I-Robot? And he was also... Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot.
Starting point is 00:33:14 And I know the guy. I know who he is. I hate him. He was also in, what else did I see him in? He was in Oppenheimer for a little bit. He was in Oppenheimer for a little bit. He's been in a few other things. I feel like his name is like M. Knight Shamalan, but I know it's not his name, but it's, it's kind of, you're kind of Shamanish, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:33:34 It's like, it's not quite as much Amalama Lama as Samalamalan. Yeah, yeah. I can't, I don't know his actual name. It's Rami Malik. That's it. Rami Malik. Oh, my God, he hates him so much. Michael Jackson.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Why? I thought he was pretty good in the Queen thing. I like him. That film was an abomination. Oh, I thought it was all right, actually. I didn't mind it. I think he's a terrible actor, and I hate his stupid face, and I hate his bug eyes, and I hate the way he speaks.
Starting point is 00:34:02 And his, I've revealed my hatred of Rami Malik many times. My God, yeah, but I mean, it's really coming out. He's terrible, terrible actor. It's so close to Christmas as well. You don't remember that thing he did about, this is when he was. A shocking torrent of hate. He peaked. There was this moment
Starting point is 00:34:18 where Rami Mallet was like just breaking out and he did this thing where he talked about stuff he liked I like long walks on the beach sunsets
Starting point is 00:34:26 you know, it was like that there was all the most basic stuff I like jiveling with my mother I like breathing air I like
Starting point is 00:34:34 having enough food and water to sustain my body I like music it's like oh fucking this is revelatory mate you like food music
Starting point is 00:34:42 and good weather wow this guy so deep well if they interviewed me I'd be even more boring than that, so I can't, I can't comment. I couldn't possibly comment. What would you say? Give me your top five things. I wake up in the morning and I go downstairs and go on my computer. I would just play my computer. I play games a lot. I play games. I'm gaming. And when I'm not gaming, I'm thinking about gaming and then sometimes I eat or drinking between and then gaming again.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Sips. Sips. Sips. All I was asking was your top five things and you've given me a rundown of your day. I just want, right, but that's not. Your top five things can't just be a description. Okay, number one, gaming. Number two, thinking about gaming. Number three, eating. Number four, drinking and number five, sleeping. Well, family not getting a look in there, but that's fine.
Starting point is 00:35:35 They just happen to be around. They're there. Number one, my wife. My wife. My wife. My child. My child. Number three, my third child.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Number four, my first child. Oh, wow. Wait, you're ordering them? My best friend. You can't do that. Before we continue, if you are still looking for holiday presents and the shelves are empty and ideas running low, you might want to check out aura frames.
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Starting point is 00:38:23 That's as low as $3.49 a month, plus four extra months of service are going to ExpressVPN.com slash Triforce. All right, this is slang from around the English-speaking world. So I will give you the word, and you give me the definition. Right. In Australian English, what's a goon bag? Can we get a goon bag? Trying to find a goon bag, bud. I can say that.
Starting point is 00:38:49 I can say with almost 100% certainty that I don't know what the fuck that means at all. I would say that was some sort of backpack. It is not. It's a bag of cheap wine. You know boxed wine? You get wine in a box. It's like a bag in a box. That's what a gang bag.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Yeah. America is what's a binkie. Oh my god, he dropped his binkie on the floor. Isn't that like a, like a baby's blanket, like a toy? Like, you know, like a... It's a dummy or passive player. Really? What we called, in our family, they were called googos, because that's what my youngest called them.
Starting point is 00:39:23 A gooooo! From Scott's English, what are messages. Ah, Ken, you'll have to pop to the shop and pick up the messages. Oh, is that? The newspapers. The mail? The mail. Louis?
Starting point is 00:39:37 Lewis? I like them. I like the mail. No, it's got to be... The Daily Mail. The messages. It's got to be... You will not get it.
Starting point is 00:39:44 You will not get it. It is bizarre. Get the messages. Go get me the messages. I'll give you us 5P if you'll go get the messages. Five p. Oh, you'll get the money. It's heroin.
Starting point is 00:39:58 It's groceries. The messages. The messages. South African English, what does it mean if something is liquor? That broad was did liquor, mate. It was dead liquor. LECA. Unfair.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Dead lecker. That's good. Lecker is good. It means tasty. Or just great, awesome nice in general. Now, fuck, that is the same exact word in Dutch. It's so bad. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:40:20 On like posters and things like that. Hello. Yeah. I can hear you. Lecker ding is, it's really cool. It's Dutch. Indeed. So lecker must be good.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Am I right? Okay, thank God. From Canadian English, what's a toek? This is the easiest one ever. It's like a warm hat that you wear in the winter. It can cover your head and ears. In Welsh English, what does it mean to be tamping? It was tamping.
Starting point is 00:40:42 T-A-M-P-I-N-G. Imagine if DAF came into the office. Lewis wouldn't believe in me, I'm tamping. Is it on their period? No. Is it like I'm angry? It's furious, yes. It means to be furious.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Oh, right. For the Kiwis, what are Jandals? J-A-L-S. I fucking have no idea. They're like outdoor sandals or whatever. They're like the house sandals, right? Irene, put the jandals out. I've got twisted jandals, according to the dog.
Starting point is 00:41:13 They're flip-flops. They're just flip-lops. Oh, yeah, kind of works. From Irish English, what does it mean to shift someone? To kill them. To kill them. No, it means to kiss them. Oh.
Starting point is 00:41:24 From Indian English, what does it mean to propone something? Propone. To kill someone. No, hang on wait. Propone. Cover them in cheese. No, it means to bring it forward. It's the opposite.
Starting point is 00:41:37 of Postpone. Pre-pone. Oh. Bring him free phone. Bromé English, what's his snap? Kill someone. Oh, I forgot me snap. Oh, let me snap at home.
Starting point is 00:41:47 We could believe it. Is it a sandwich? No, it's lunch. It's lunch. It could be a sandwich, but it's my lunch. And let me lunch at home. Leave me snap. It always be snap.
Starting point is 00:42:01 It's the pop culture. I fucking love that. One team. Taylor Swift's fiance, Travis Kelsey play for in the NFL. Oh, are the Kansas City Chiefs? It is, that's right. Where did Oasis's tour start in 2025
Starting point is 00:42:17 Tour? What was the city? It wasn't Manchester. It was Nebworth. Nope. It was London. No. It was Nottingham. No. Birmingham. New York. No, it was Cardiff. Cornwall. Cardiff. Oh, Cardiff, of course.
Starting point is 00:42:33 Which American actress sued Justin Baldoni for sexual harassment and intimidation? Oh, that was What's her face She's got a really interesting name I love this name This cannot be her real name Her name is
Starting point is 00:42:46 Eludes me at the moment Let me just look it up Is this her real name? No, of course it's not Her name is Blake Lively That's it Fuck I would be You know I never would have guessed
Starting point is 00:42:57 I knew who it was I just couldn't remember the name at all Yeah She was born Blake Elander Brown Right But her father That's way That's the opposite
Starting point is 00:43:07 They're lively. You know what? Why? No, it's because she's related to James Brown, and he was a lively man. That's where they got it from. That's my James Brown. What year did Stranger Things first come out? Oh, the first one came out in like 2017?
Starting point is 00:43:27 Lulu? It probably says it whatever you watch on Netflix. I'm going to beg you for an answer every fucking time. This is doing my note. 2016. 2015. I asked a question. has a guess and then there's like 10 seconds of static and then you come in and like oh what was the
Starting point is 00:43:42 question again oh blake lively shout your answer out man all right i'm not going to wait around 2016 correct arianna grand and cynthia reevo are promoting wicked part two but who plays the wizard of os um oh don't know it's uh anthony hopkins it's jeff goldblum i was going to say that the hell uh lady gaga gave a one-off free concert to two and a half million people yeah it was Which is the record for a female artist. Where was it? Where was it? Rio de Janeiro.
Starting point is 00:44:13 True, but where in Rio? On the beach. On the beach. Rio de Janeiro beach. The Goppa. Copacabana. The Rockaway Beach. Nothing beats a Jet 2 holiday, but how could you save, how much could you save
Starting point is 00:44:27 per person in the viral ad that sparked all these memes this summer? The Jet 2 memes, how much is it in the ad that you can save per person? No. You've heard this meme a thousand. I have no idea. Save 20 quills. Save 20 pounds. It's 50 pounds.
Starting point is 00:44:42 50 pounds. 50 pounds. Wow. K-pop demon hunters became the most watched original Netflix title on its release, racking up 325 million views. I've never even heard of it. What is the name of the demon slaying girl band in the film? I can't remember it.
Starting point is 00:44:57 I only know that one song. My daughter sings it all the time. Hunter slash X. Hunter slash X. Yeah. A Minecraft movie, if you guys don't get it. get this, career over, was an unlikely hit of the years in Development Hill. Hell, what is the name of the franchise's main character who's played by Jack Black and wields a
Starting point is 00:45:14 pickaxe? Go on, Lewis. Oh, sorry, I cut off. Right, that's the end of the quiz. Quiz is done. No, that's it. Quiz over. He cut off.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Steve? It was Steve. Yes, it's Steve, correct. Steve. Steve? Steve. It's Steve. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Oh, what a fucking quiz. Great quiz. There were many, many more questions that I just skipped over. I feel like I got a fair few of those right. I think he did great. Why did you skip over? They were dog shit. They were dog shit, boy.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Did you want the sports round? No. No, I didn't think so. Oh, my God, no. God, I hate a sports round. I mean, all my sports knowledge is from the 90s. Right. And most of these people are dead and retired or both.
Starting point is 00:46:02 So, yeah, no, sports is no good for me. Sports rounds no good Yeah Well I ain't got no lose news Cause Sam says There is no news this week That's bullshit There's been no news this week
Starting point is 00:46:15 Of all weeks No suitable news this week Yeah Here we go Reddit slash offbeat Oh here you go Funny slash sad news Murderers
Starting point is 00:46:24 No they don't do sad news Murderer sues For right to evegemite In Australian prison Do you know what I watched While I was away And I enjoyed it I did not enjoy the start of it
Starting point is 00:46:34 As much but the rest of the movie I found I found was fine. It was that one with the... Wait, let me guess. Yeah. It was a film involving someone who starts with the name chuh.
Starting point is 00:46:43 No. Charles Bronson. No. No, no Charles Bronson. No, it doesn't start with chuh. Okay. That's the only clue I'm going to get. It's a recent-ish movie.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Right. And it has an all-star cast in it. By whose metric? Is it recent-ish? I think it was in theaters maybe like a month or two ago. It starts with a ch-oh. No, it doesn't start with a show. the ch.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Was it one battle after another? It was one battle after another. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. What did you think about it? I thought the start was awkwardly horny and I didn't care for it. And then I think the movie just got a bit better after that and it was fine.
Starting point is 00:47:22 I see. Yeah. I didn't like the whole like, you know, the revolutionaries getting like insanely horny after they do like a job. Did you, did you watch it? with your friends in Madrid. Yeah, well, my friend put it on. He was like, he just wanted to like, he just wanted to show me Sean Penn.
Starting point is 00:47:43 You know, the scene at the start. Yeah, his character is so good in. And he's got to like walk out of the, the trailer that he's in with a boner or whatever. That's a great movie. He just thought that the scene was like, was quite good. And then we just ended up watching the whole thing because everybody was, it's like a typical sort of situation. You know, everybody's like, where are we going? What do you want to do?
Starting point is 00:48:03 What do you want to do? What do you want to do? What do you want to do? Everybody's just lazing around and then we just ended up watching a whole movie. It was good. Yeah, I don't know if I would have, I haven't watched any movies in probably a couple of years, actually, just through laziness and a lack of interest or whatever. So I don't even know if I would have, you know, sought that one out, but I'm glad I saw it. It was good. I liked, there were parts of it that were really good.
Starting point is 00:48:30 I've watched so many movies over the last 49 years. much more of a movie watcher than I love them. Yeah, I watch a lot of TV shows. I haven't really been watching any TV shows either. I got a movie for you, weapons. Did you see weapons? I heard that that's really good. No, I haven't seen it.
Starting point is 00:48:44 You should watch it. You should watch it's really good though. House of Dynamite. No, I haven't even heard of that one. Recommend it. Really good. House of Dynamite. I enjoyed it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:53 I went to see nobody too, which was not that great. So, yeah, that's a Mamiboss movie, less we forget. I like that. The first one I saw, I think it was on film, four one night and we ended up watching it and the fight scenes were very entertaining. And so when nobody too was coming out, it was like, oh, we should go see it. The first one was pretty fun. But I think we were just like not in the same frame of mind or whatever, because we
Starting point is 00:49:19 had to see the second one. It was just like, oh, it was all right. The ending was just crazy. I can't, I, I'm not aware of any of these movies. I didn't, I'm not aware. It's got nobody, it's got Bob Oden Kirk in it and he plays like that. He's like a former hitman or something. but he's just trying to live a normal life.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Some kind of ex-special forces guy, but he's, Bob Bowdenkirk's like 60. I don't know. He's still in pretty good shape for how old he is. So he's 63. Here's my problem that we're meant to believe, because Mike Tyson was one of the greatest boxes of all time. The dude got beaten up by a fucking streamer, okay? This guys who are in their 60s, who are in their 60s, kicking these young
Starting point is 00:49:57 dude's assing. I used to be really scared of Mike Tyson, but now that now maybe I have a chance, you know. I'm a streamer. We, why aren't young people beating each other up? Why do we have to see an old man beat up young men? And it's like, oh, man, he's such bad ass. Yeah, that would totally happen. This obsession with realism and gun porn these days, apparently Bob Odenkirk, who I love,
Starting point is 00:50:17 is able to play a guy who kicks the shit out of a bus load of young people because he's got skills. The bus scene in the first movie was so good. Man, it was. But it's so dumb. It is dumb, yeah. But sometimes you need a little bit of dumb as well, you know. I don't know. I think this is porn for grumpy old people my age
Starting point is 00:50:36 who are fed up with young people listening to music out loud on their phones on the bus. That's all it is. It's like, yeah, go and kick that young cunt's ass. Oh, yeah, beat up that young person. That's all they are. It's just porn for old people. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:50:47 I think it's like, I think it's these films are vehicles for actors that we like. A bull golden Kirk is pretty lovable and loved, you know what I mean? And everyone likes to see him do his thing. It's very American as well to see what they consider a nice American guy going around the world, just being a hero, hero complex. It's, again, it's the same thing as Keanu doing 17 John Wick movies or whatever. Do you mean, it's been 17 John Wick movies?
Starting point is 00:51:16 Well, it feels like it. You know, John Wick 99. I've only seen that part of the first one, I believe. I should maybe watch those. Are they good? No. I do like an action. I like an action movie.
Starting point is 00:51:27 The first couple are right. If you like an action movie, you'll like them. They are bad. I used to really like, I used to like the old 80s and 90s action movies as well. Did you feel that there was a good guy and a bad guy in those movies? What, John Wick? No, in those classic action movies. There was always like, yeah, like if you think of like die hard.
Starting point is 00:51:48 Right. And there was always a bad guy. It was sometimes it was the bad guy within as well, right? Like wasn't, exactly. Wasn't Commando like, didn't he was betrayed from within? commando? No, in Commando. Or is it Rambo that he got betrayed from within?
Starting point is 00:52:06 Well, Rambo the police turned on it because he was a veteran and it was about veterans going home from war. So sometimes it is the enemy within. But here's my question to you, who's the bad guy in John Wick? I have no idea. I've never watched a full John Wick so I don't know. Right. I'm asking Lulu. Who's the bad guy? I'd probably have to kill him at the end of everyone.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I thought it was like, I thought it was like Eastern Europeans generally in John Wick. Just in general? I think that's reasonable to say. the baddies are just... From what I saw, it seemed like it was Russians. Foreigners. Yeah, well, it could be any kind of foreigner, right?
Starting point is 00:52:36 Yeah. The point is that... Yeah, it can be a Brit. There's no semblance of sense to these movies. There's like, the bad guy, the motivation for John Wick to do all this stuff, and the first one was that they killed his dog. That's right. I remember that bit, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:47 They broke into his house and they killed everybody. They killed his dog, and that was sort of the big catalyst for him. Silently, wordlessly, close-up, murdering, and finishing downed enemies. He's just a murderer. He's just a mass murderer. That's the John Wick movies. They're not action movies. They're revenge porn movies.
Starting point is 00:53:05 There's no action. That's what it is. Yeah, it's a revenge movie. It's awful. That's the genre. And it's based on a Korean genre that was really quite popular. And I think that you, it is, I think there is some element of us that is fatigued. And I feel this, for example, routinely.
Starting point is 00:53:20 And I think a lot of people do of, oh, you know, let's kill all the unnamed henchmen. You know, let them capture the main bad guy. and then keep him alive because he needs to do his prison time. Do you mean he needs to be punished, right? And then he breaks out of prison inevitably and then, you know, they have this other, and he goes on to kill hundreds of more people and then, you know, they get him again and they're like, oh, well, we can't kill him, you know, because that's not allowed.
Starting point is 00:53:45 And it's always this moment, you know, in the movies where they have this moral section. And so it is nice to see, I think, I think it's a response to that that these kind of, a lot of these more modern things are much more final. and capital rather than sort of the softball marvel solution to these things, you know. I like the original Predator. I like how he was with a group of people who all in their own right seemed unique enough. And then one by one, they all get picked off throughout the movie. And then he's just got to hide in the mud because he figures out,
Starting point is 00:54:21 Predator can see heat signatures with his visor or whatever. I think that's what happened It's been a long time I feel like this is almost a trope though It is a bit of a trope So I read this book called Dajal and I read the whole series
Starting point is 00:54:36 And I really enjoyed it And I told you about it Pflakes And we talked I recommended it here And you didn't like it And that's fine Anyway, I went on to like A few other sort of recommended series
Starting point is 00:54:44 Within that and check them all out And one is very very popular It's called He Who Fights with Monsters Right It's a very popular series and and it's too, I think it wants to, when he wrote it, the guy basically kept in the back of his mind, just all of the content that he'd ingested and he wrote it with the idea that
Starting point is 00:55:05 it was hopefully going to be a movie one day or a TV one day. And so as a result, you know, he's hunting down this bad guy who's got all these henchmen and he does this classic thing of like, I don't know, he's in a city with like crime lords and there's no incentive him to hunt down crime lords. He's hunting down. you know, monsters and other people. You know, he's this incredibly moral guy
Starting point is 00:55:25 who won't even like, you know, he's, and then, but he's forced to kill some, some certain people, but he'll keep these people alive, who he knows,
Starting point is 00:55:33 like, it's so frustrating. And like, every time I was just reading this book, I was hoping that at some point, these guys would get their come up. And so maybe, maybe they do eventually or whatever,
Starting point is 00:55:44 but it's, it's like, it was just deeply, deeply unsatisfying. And I found myself thinking, I wish that this guy, it may be almost want to write my own version, of it, you know, because I was talking about that on a previous podcast of how, like,
Starting point is 00:55:56 I'm so dissatisfied with this experience that I've had. I almost would like, but I don't know why it's so prevalent. Maybe it's just to fit into that young adult thing of like, but it does, it does seem like weirdly, I know with political on the podcast, but with all this rise of right wing and they're very kind of old school. They're very Southern American in there. Well, let's get the death penalty on this guy. You know, and there's this, like, I just, I just, I feel like I'm, I'm more into like the renegade vigilante kind of actually getting, at least they get stuff done. Are you talking about Jack, Richard?
Starting point is 00:56:31 Are you promoting vigilanteism? It does sound like, it sounds terrible. You can't give it to, they get the job done. Yeah. They do get the job done. You maniac. I think I'm so frustrated with reading or watching these contrived situations. where
Starting point is 00:56:49 where you mean like dungeon crawler Carl where they build up the bad guy the most contrived situation imagine
Starting point is 00:56:56 obviously when you're writing a story you have to contrive a situation right you have to build a upper up a bad guy
Starting point is 00:57:02 in order to knock him down you know Geoffrey has to do all these terrible things in Game of Thrones in order to get
Starting point is 00:57:06 his come up and eventually and then and it being satisfying right you have to have an evil a really
Starting point is 00:57:12 terrifying evil figure in all and you have to have to have the journey of a hero is to have this slope downwards
Starting point is 00:57:19 until they are at rock bottom. You know, they are in, you know, they're locked up in a basement with their fingers being cut off. Do you know, I mean, it's like you have to put the hero in the worst possible situation in order for them to climb out of it.
Starting point is 00:57:32 And that's where these, that's where these critically acclaimed stories come from. It is when they see the extremes, right? When you have some absolutely, you know, how can they possibly get out of this situation versus this monster who seems to have everything? And, you know, and is lording over them.
Starting point is 00:57:48 And, you know, eventually David conquers Goliath and, you know, and you feel satisfied about it. But I feel like David conquering Goliath only to put him in prison or not even get punished, only for Goliath to come and put David back in the same situation again and again is, to me, deeply insulting when I'm forced to watch that or experience that. Do you see what I'm saying? So, like, the first time the X-Men, When I captured Magneto, you don't think he should have been in that big prison, the magnets
Starting point is 00:58:22 or whatever. No, and I think in some cases it's because TV shows have their cast or their bad guy and they want to keep him around, right? And they like him and the audience responses to him and they want more of him and they have more plans for him. You know, supervillains often are as big a character as the superheroes, right? They can't, like with the John Wick movies, you know, I'm pretty sure that the bad guy's get knocked off in each one, and they have to make up new ones.
Starting point is 00:58:50 And I think there's some element of joy in that to seeing the bad guys get punished for their actions. If you don't establish the bad guy as competent and as scary and as evil, and give the good guy a good reason to stop them, you don't have a good story. And that's my problem with these films, like John Witt. I don't agree with the debt. We've talked about this before. I don't really agree with like capital punishment and death penalty generally.
Starting point is 00:59:14 And I think the reason for that is that it's misused so much, like, and so much, so many people. The only time I agree with it is for those fucking people who are sitting behind you in the plane and they get up and they try to get ahead of you for like, and you're like, there's a system here where people just let the people in front of them go. I don't know what makes you so special that you can skip like five seats and get ahead of me. Like, for me, it's a similar frame. in front of me for another hour in passport. Similar vein, there's roadworks ahead and we all have to merge. People not letting people merge because they're petty or people taking the piss and zooming all the way down so they can merge at the last second.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Let's get rid of those people. Being difficult and just no one letting them in and then now you have a problem. People driving late tickets. I want to say in this situation as well, and I know I'll probably get a bit of flack for this, but, man, you guys on your motorcycles are fucking unbelievable sometimes. Like, did you not fucking read the same highway code as I did like all those years ago? Why are you, why are you swerving in and out of traffic and trying to get ahead all the time? Like, you know.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Yours was the Canadian one. It's insane. It's so dangerous too. Like, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to have blood on my hands because somebody's just trying to shave two seconds off a journey by swerving in between cars and stuff. So, sorry, just to finish my point, I think that when it comes to a movie, we are presented with this scenario where we, the audience, have seen this person commit these crimes, and so they are guilty, right, in our minds, in our heads.
Starting point is 01:00:58 And it's not one of these situations where, you know, someone, there's no evidence or some poor guy's being pulled off the street and, you know, and given the death penalty. and it's very vague or, you know, it feels like, you know, it's not a sure thing. Certainly, you know, a lot of people, we, Pyrium, this is one of the things you said, because a lot of people, you know, end up getting exonerated after they've been put to death. You know, I think that there are problems with it in reality, but this isn't reality. This is fiction. And I think it's very, it's, I think, I'm a fan of capital punishment in fiction.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Okay. Wow, okay. So, I mean, the issue, the issue for me with capital punishment is that even if we feel like There are definitely some crimes out there where you think, why are we allowing this person to live? They've inflicted so much misery. They probably do deserve death. The idea that they get to live out their life and be cared for and paid for by the taxpayer. I get it.
Starting point is 01:01:50 People are very angry about that. But do you want to give the government the right to decide when citizens die? I think is my biggest. I think, again, I think that's an overreach. It's a different experience. That's a little bit of an overreach. Oh, we're going to kill this guys. I don't know, dude.
Starting point is 01:02:05 I don't want to trust that. We are in a funny, in fiction, we are in a funny headspace, right? We play video games where we kill thousands of people a day. I never kill in video games. What I do, I play all the games where you get to talk to them. Yeah, you just chat to them. Full motion video, my choices matter. Those are the ones for me.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Any Marvel movie where kids are watching superheroes fly around, the people die in left-right sense. They never die. They always come back somewhere. You just have to chat to some Korean girls around a pool. That's the kind of game. Well, okay, that's the future. Even soaps, they come back.
Starting point is 01:02:39 You think they're dead, but you can never be sure. Like, look at Dirty Den. Dirty Den, nasty Nick. Everyone was sure that Dirty Den was dead. Wait, nasty Nick. Am I thinking of the right guy? I thought it was nasty Nick. You'll think nasty Nick is from Big Brother, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:53 No, Nick Cotton was nasty Nick, wouldn't they? No, nasty Nick. Oh, nasty Nick. Oh, my, Mom, Ma, I'm back. And he'd take her poor old, what was her name, Dora, Dots, money. Nasty Nick is like a Donald Trump nickname for like someone. They call him nasty Nick. He's not a good guy.
Starting point is 01:03:10 Terrible reporter. Terrible. Really terrible at his job. A terrible person. Terrible reporter. Rousy guy. Quiet piggy. Quiet piggy.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Oh, that is. That's outrageous. That's really got my back up. It's fucking outrageous. That is not insane. It is actually insane. But at least the world we live in is on. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:34 But if we're. We need to balance things out. So Hunter Biden's laptop. And thanks so much for listening. And we will see you next time. Oh, thank you. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Bye.

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