Triforce! - Triforce! #109: Postcode Killah

Episode Date: November 27, 2019

Triforce! Episode 109! Pyrion got a new pupper, Sips went to see Ghostface Killah and Lewis wasn't scared at all! Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Today coming at you with me, Sips and Perian Flax. Hang on. I thought you were going to say that you were Sips. You're not Sips. Yeah. He's a separate entity. With me, comma.

I'm a separate entity. With me, Sips. Is there no comma? There wasn't enough of a pause or change of tone. Yeah. How long is the pause? Okay, sorry. You needed to go with me, Sips, and Perian Flax.

That takes too long. Yeah, that's way better. You could tell that Flax is seasoned. How about with me, Sips, and period flax. That takes too long. Yeah, that's way better. You could tell that flax is seasoned. How about with me, sips, and period flax? Yeah, it's either quicker with me, sips, and period flax. But with me, sips, and period flax. How about I? With I, sips.

See, you wouldn't say... No, it doesn't. I think that would be a cool robot. Hey, I was just watching an advert. I was watching Frasier. I was watching Frasier, a classic Triforce show in the morning. You're such a human being. I know.

And they had an advert on for dentures. Right. And I'm not at the denture stage of being old yet. Fair enough. No, close. But the funny thing is, is at the end of the advert, they show a woman doing something that obviously to the denture wearing crowd is like the money shot. And she bites into an apple like she doesn't give a fuck it's always an apple

she looks at the camera like fuck yeah i just ate an apple and i'm thinking it's interesting how your perspective on what's cool changes as you get older and for the denture crowd oh she she bit into an apple she didn't even care man can you imagine though like an evil you haven't been able to eat an apple for like for the longest time like when you're a kid the last thing you want to do is need an apple but when you're older and you've got dentures and you can't yeah they're not they're not they're not attached to your gums strong enough so you bite in your teeth fall out yeah that's a problem i've had that experience you know it's it's like when I had braces.

I had braces on for a few years when I was a teenager. And, you know, biting into an apple there is one of the things they tell you not to do. Indeed. And I mistakenly did it one time without thinking. And it was like there's like a twang and everything came loose. And it was like barbed wire stabbed into my gums. I mean, it was like a kind of, it felt like World War II and I'd got caught in the Germans' fucking razor wires.

I was trying to climb over the, Jesus Christ. Anyway, P-Flax, you are an incredibly ordinary human being sitting on your sofa watching Frasier with your new puppy. Yes. Was he sitting, is he sitting with she he or she was she sitting with you calmly we don't let her on the sofa that often no um that often how long have you had her yeah yeah let's let's get some perspective on this one got it got it yeah you've had her for 12 hours that often yeah but i mean one thing we like to uh with her, we've been doing it for a long time, we've owned her for 12 hours.

All I'm saying is, she's allowed on in the evening when she's sleepy, she has a little sleep next to Mrs. F on the sofa, but during the day, she's like... You mean in the one evening? Yeah. She's been there. Look, all I'm saying is,

this is the way we're going to go forward. If you want, I can just pretend like this isn't the way things are going to be, and continually say, we've only had her a day, but... Or you can just accept like this isn't the way things are going to be and continually say, we've only had her a day, or you can just accept that this is the regime and that we've tried to stick to it from the start and we're going to stick to it. That's the way animals like consistency.

If you went on a date with a woman, if you met a new person or you had to do an employee coming on, I'm not dating the dog, Lewis. They've been there for, you've had that dog for 12 hours. You're dating your dog. You're allowed to do that. Lewis is. How do you know all this detail yet?

You don't even know someone after a day. I mean, I barely know people. They've been working here six years. Well, that's on you. That's because you have no social barometer. That's why. I suppose I don't let them on the sofa either. No.

Yeah. So in future and going forward, and so far, she is allowed on the sofa in the evenings only when I'm working upstairs, Mrs. F is downstairs. So, you know, because the thing is, she's too little to jump off the sofa, right? She'll hurt herself if she jumps off the sofa. How old is this dog? She's 12 weeks old. Wow. Yeah. So she's, she's very sweet.

Have you ever trained a dog before? Yes. Yes, I have. Okay, how long ago? Oh, gosh, I was a teenager. So it's not like it's gone from my memory. But yeah, she's not ready for training yet. But we're going to take it to puppy training classes. Because there's one thing I hate it's a dog that hasn't been trained at all. You know, you got to train them up you why did you get a pupper in the first place what's the what's the mode what's the motivation for for the girls the girls really really wanted a dog for a long time right um and we figured like the kids now like the way i see it you've got to continually set yourself challenges and and change things up and add a bit of bit of freshness to

your life otherwise it gets stale and i was i was in a bit of a rut in terms of my day it was basically drop kids at school stream collect kids from school hang around cook dinner stream you know it's like that that was pretty much my day it does not sound like a rut but okay it is after five years i feel like that's a bit rutty. So I thought it was fun. But I also thought, you know, what would be nice is going for a walk in the morning, having the dog. You know, she's very sweet. The kids love her. And I just thought it would also give them a sense of responsibility, which they completely lack.

Right. And this has actually really changed their view of things like already is they're like hiding. I'm not even kidding. You had this for a night! When was the last time my kids saw a pair of shoes in the middle of the floor and put them in the shoe box? No, never. It's never happened.

Right. Got the dog. We've had her as Lewis says, great pains to point out, less than 24 hours and already they're picking stuff up. Oh, don't leave that there. Don't leave that. Oh, I can't put that there. And I was like, this is working. This is fucking working that's the amount of time your

house is gonna be can i can i just say it's a honeymoon period your kids will go back to not doing stuff very quickly then their shoes will get eaten she's gonna be consistent my dog ate my shoes one time and uh i was i was i was vexed beyond but. Were you mad at the dog or were you mad at yourself? The dog. Very, very specifically, I wanted to kill him. So you learned nothing. Yeah, no, I was not mad at myself because I'm a human. I'm allowed to leave my shoes wherever I want.

And I don't think I should expect them to be eaten by a piece of shit dog. So first of all, put it in what's its name? Her name? Have you got a name yet? Agnes. Agnes. That's a really nice name actually. That's literally my gran's name. It was not intentional. Named it. You've named your dog the same name as my gran. It's always gotta be about you eh Lewis?

Hey, no, it's always gotta be about you somehow. It's a very human name. you, eh, Lewis? No, but also, Agnes, it's a very human name. I like that. I like animals with human names. My friend Dave had a cat called Glenn, named after Glenn Hoddle, but a cat called Glenn I thought was funny. My friend Dave had a dog called Dave. Oh, yeah?

It's nice. Give him a real name. I feel like actually dogs can have more human names because they are, like, dogs are one of the only people, like, people, one of the only animals like people one of the only um animals that actually like love love you yeah they really do i think they love that you are able

to to give them food so they don't have to go no that's what no that's what cats are cats love you that you're able to give them food but dogs that do actually love you it's weird they're actually like genetically um we bred them for that purpose. It's weird. So what breed is it? It looks like, at first glance, it looks like a wrinkly thing. She's a French bulldog, which has drawn some criticism from certain corners of the internet.

Why is this? It's not one of the cruel ones. No. I mean, look, first of all, she's a very healthy healthy dog um people are saying i don't really want to go into it because it's just annoying it's just fucking gives people a chance to climb on their high horse which she can't do because she has such small legs so you know stop high horsing it it's it's kind of leggist right well i mean even when i got terry you know i had the same thing i had all the people coming out of the woodwork saying yeah because the thing is it's um yeah there's like best practices sure for like owning any animal right but you're never you're not gonna get perfect and and every animal

like like a person is different too right like right so there's certain things that they'll like that may be not conventional like for example for example, Lewis fucks a stuffed dolphin constantly and every day. Not everybody does, but Lewis does. So he has to be able to be himself. And sometimes dogs eat shit out of their own ass. And not every dog does that, but some dogs do. And sometimes you just got to let a dog be a dog, right? And you got to let a dog be a dog right and you gotta let them yeah yeah well in the same way though that you have to make smart choices um

you know some people breed dogs very cruelly i don't know i don't think bulldog is one of the ones which is well i know some of them have been bred very so they can't breathe and stuff right right back problems well she's not like that i met her mom she was a fine a fine shaped dog you know she was a really good nick and and seemed very happy and everything. It's mostly in, like, the pedigree and the dog show stuff, isn't it? Yeah, but these are, like, professional breeders. You know, they're not breeding, like, those dickhead dogs that fall apart after two seconds. She's built to last, quite clearly.

We ain't got sold a duff one. What was this one? Made in China. Look at it. It's a piece of shit. She is. Picture of it falling off. In good nick.

I'm glad to hear it. So is this going to, because you said to me at the start, well, in the Twiforce WhatsApp group this morning, you said not going to be able to do the podcast for a long because I have to make sure the dog isn't left alone. No, I said I wanted to make sure we started on time so I could come up, do the podcast, and then go back down because yeah she'll be okay but she's

in a little cage for an hour um that's fine i've got the the cleaner is over as well so i wanted her just out of the way for a little bit um and she can't come upstairs at the moment because we're still introducing her to the cat oh fuck you got a cat already too yeah we have a cat and the cat came downstairs last night took one look at the dog and just backed slowly out of the room um so i mean we had to get a few things like i mean the dog was in her cage because i knew the cat was coming downstairs so i quickly popped her in a little cage and um like a cartoon and let the cat sort of have a have a look at her and the cat was like yeah this isn't working and just sort of left but we've we've moved the cat's food upstairs and she's got a litter box upstairs so she's she's happy enough but i'm gradually going to try and introduce her to the

idea that the dog is not going to kill her yeah the last dog of course was the hell dog my mom's old oh you're right yeah i was surprised that you got a dog based on that experience well i i've had i remember as soon as i saw the picture i was like oh fuck i wonder if this dog's gonna be like his mom's dog like straight away that's what i thought she is a hundred percent a sweetie pie and my mom's dog was a vicious piece of shit who is now presumably ruining some other people's lives so uh good luck to them wow yep well you know maybe they couldn't maybe they they've got a they haven't got small kids and it's not such a problem right jesus maybe two a big farm a big you know stick stick him on a farm where he can go wild just you know yap at like cats and rats and stuff is like that solves so he'll probably be all right with that i'm sure so you've got a safe

space upstairs for the cat you've got the dog downstairs it's all it's all it's all safe yeah it's all fine is he going to be terrified of the hoover i'm now concerned about the cleaner hoover i mean you know the about the cleaner hoover dog situation. I mean, you know, the way I see it, if something freaks your dog out that is something that it's going to have to come to deal with, they just have to get used to it. Like, for real.

You can't be like, oh, we're not hoovering anymore because it freaked the dog out once. She'll get used to it. My dogs used to hate the hoover, but, you know, fuck, it's part of life. Dealing with a hoover is a part of a dog's life. But then again, there are ways, I'm sure there's actually ways to introduce the hoover in a less traumatic manner the dog's back with it that's what that right yes okay just run it over that's it yeah you do it no

you know she's gonna she'll deal with it it was quite the only traumatic thing for her yesterday was getting in the car and coming back um because i bought her from someone it was northwest london and i had to come back down to southwest london and google maps was like oh don't go in the m25 trust me i was like all right so i went through london a bit not you know to the south all the way and um it was fucking awful the traffic was terrible we were stuck in traffic 839 i don't know oh you don't know if you did did you turn left at at the roundabout did you take the M325 I wasn't even giving you guys the route don't do that

I wasn't doubting it up hey did you see the new did you see the new giveaway sign that they put on the roundabout I can't believe it there's speed camera they've got speed trap there now they have made it 20 miles an hour in my entire area they did this overnight like they didn't tell anyone they're just suddenly 20 mile an hour

signs everywhere which i'm all for because it's like well you've got a cat and a dog we got a cat a dog and two kids i'm happy with a lot of people so it's gonna take forever to get anywhere now i'm like you never go over 20 in london anyway what the hell is wrong with you it takes forever to get anywhere london's fucking ridiculous came out came out from London the other day and I was like, I blew my nose and I had like black smog in my nose. I couldn't believe it. I was like, what are you in there? Were you cleaning out chimneys or something?

What are you on about? Anyway. He was Van Dyken it up. Last weekend, Sips came down to Bristol. Oh, how was it? And it was amazing. It was the fucking best, man. It's the best trip ever. It's the best trip anyone's ever had to Bristol ever How was it? And it was amazing. It was the fucking best, man. It's the best trip ever.

It's the best trip anyone's ever had to Bristol ever, Flax. Nice. Everyone had a good time. Everybody was so happy. Oh, it's the best. It reminded me, first of all, of a lot of the times that I've hung out with Sips over the last 10 years. And it felt like nothing had changed in 10 years as well.

You know, because like 10 years ago, we'd meet up, we'd go for like a pizza. Sips would order a margarita. I'd have, you know because like 10 years ago we'd meet up we'd go for like a pizza we sips would order a margarita i'd have you know something spicy and then we go out and then go to the cinema okay or whatever yeah we did go to there we saw doctor sleep sips was fucking more terrified by the trailer for a different movie yeah he looked over at me he was like sweating he was like man that movie did look fucking scary though holy shit what was it called again it's that one where there's like the there's a murder in a house and the house is cursed uh and the curse the curse of course is that classic old horror trope the house is cursed by an old granny who looks creepy as fuck and drives a car and stuff and you're just the elderly don't get much of a break when it comes to horror being old

apparently is scary enough in itself like how many movies you've seen where the whole horror reveal is there's an old lady in there and everyone goes ah yeah well i mean doctor sleep is a little bit like that i guess there's a there's definitely an sort of, she's got some boils or some pussy nodes on her skin. Jesus. Coming out of the bathtub and shit. I always scream when I look at my face in the mirror when every day and there's a new wrinkle there or some horrible boil.

I've got a lance. Yeah. It's a terrifying coming to terms with your slowly sagging face and slowly looking more and more like your dog. The moral of the story is life stinks, boys and girls. Don't get old. And then you die. The end of the movie should be an old lady biting into an apple

and scaring the shit out of all the kids. Showing them her teeth. My teeth work again. New denture paste. St sticks the teeth right good up onto your gums i remember a commercial from when i was a kid we used to make uh we used to make fun of it a lot and it was uh same sort of thing flax it was a woman biting into an apple it's just the way she said it was very funny she's like look at me eating an apple and then we just used to run around just like repeating that line all the time like just like you see a bus drive by you and you'd look and be like what are my friends

on there and all you'd hear like from out the back of the window eating an apple just driving down the street and then then you'd see that then it would then it would like that would warp right the sound would warp and then it would like the screen would flicker and you'd be like and then it'd be like she'd suddenly turn into like a corpse

with like maggots like coming out of her mouth and then it would flash back to like normal granny and she'd just like tilt her head sorry that's what

anyway we watched we watched the movie it was good we went we had then we movie it was good we went we had then we ate we ate pancakes

we ate no waffles we had waffles waffles sorry we had waffles and I spoke to Alex with real maple syrup as well

not even fake it was real so we went to this place and ordered these waffles and when I spoke to when they came it was massive

and I spoke to Alex and Brian and they were like oh yeah did you have one of those waffles we normally you know share it between four of us but me and Sips had one each it was like a pizza I was breakfast it was breakfast oh god that was insane and then we had another pizza uh then we drank like five pints of cider and went to see Ghostface Killer oh that was amazing fuck me I've thought I've been I've thought about it every day since uh since we went okay you tell me what you thought about the entire thing and then i'll give my well this is gonna be negative i can tell you right now well it's not negative it's just not what i expected i'm a long time fan i'm a big uh wu-tang fan and especially uh ghost

face killer fan uh i've listened to a lot of his solo stuff over the years. And I listened to a lot of like older hip hop and Ghostface, one of those guys that keeps it real. You know, he's still releasing albums, but they still have that like 90s sound to them. And he's very distinctive. He's a really good lyricist and everything. And he's just had an album out this year.

So I thought, okay thought okay cool saw the tweet it's like fuck yeah ghostface killer he's going to bristol i go to bristol all the fucking time like i go there to do work and stuff so fuck it well go over there i'll do a bit of work go see ghostface i'll get some tickets see who wants to come with me sort of thing um and then so i'm thinking to myself he's just had a new album out you know he's probably going to be trying to like promote it somewhat or whatever. You know, he's going to be he's going to be singing a lot of like tracks off of that singing. He'll be, you know, singing his some some tracks off of that or whatever.

And I just thought, whatever, who cares? Like I get to see him live and stuff. It'll probably be a really good show. Hopefully, you know, it's Bristol. It's the UK. Like he's popular enough, but he's still like pretty underground and stuff so it might not be that busy and stuff so whatever so we we went and the show was amazing like fucking all of these old ass callbacks to like classic tracks from like 36

chambers and like iron man and like fucking a whole bunch of his earlier solo albums and stuff. There was like, he had a guy with him who was like his, it's like his protege. Like he's being mentored by Ghost. It's a guy called Trife the God. But he's like a lesser known guy. But he was just doing like hype man stuff and everything. And the show was really good. And it was just fucking amazing. I was just having a really good time. Like just like rapping along to all the songs and stuff and then after

the show i bought a shirt i got it signed i got my picture taken with them and everything it was just great fuck it was so good i want to i want to go again i want to i want to see like uh some more some more shows you sound like you've just been on to old towers and you went on like a great ride and you're like no let's do it again oh fuck it was it was so good i'm not gonna puke up my milkshake a lot of fun it was fun hanging out with like everybody as well but like uh and well it was kind of fun taking a bunch of people who aren't really into hip-hop and have never listened to ghostface before and seeing like their reactions to it so i think everybody had a pretty good time though no i think they did well i guess i guess you're about to tell me whether you did or not.

No. Well, so, okay. So first of all, I didn't know what to expect. This is not something I would have normally gone to, but Sip seemed excited and I was like, sure. We invited Harry from the office at Blue Goose and Bree and who else came? Someone else came? It was anyway, And Bree and who else came? Someone else came? It was anyway, it was about four. Duncan came. So about, you know, five or six of us.

And it was at this place I've never been to, but I've walked past a lot of times. It's like kind of like a slightly grimy nightclub. You know, one of those kind of slightly sticky floor places. Yeah. Sounds like Yonkan. It was. Yeah. Yeah. Very reminiscent.

Yeah. Excellent smoking section. It was like outside. It was. Yeah, the same sort of thing. Very reminiscent. Excellent smoking section. It was like outside. It was great. And so I don't know. I used to go to a lot of gigs when I was a teenager with my friends from school. And the crowd I was in was kind of a bit of a weird group. And they were really into very death-metally stuff with a mosh pit,

lots of screaming and shouting. And I kind of just tagged along it's like you know i'm never i'm never the guy organizing this stuff i don't know it's funny it was they were always very scary gigs it you know they were in central london at some sort of some sort of slightly down market venue very loud, very violent, jumping around and stuff. And I came out of them obviously quite, I don't know, quite... Scared. I got used to it, right? And I did this quite regularly. Anyway, I was psyching myself up for a similar situation here, because I thought that I was quite threatened by it. Now, looking

back now, 90s hip-hop is this thing that, at the time, was very scary and threatening, okay? And it's like explicit lyrics talking about, you know, shooting people and, you know, people from, you know, these poor areas of, you know, deprived, you know, like black neighborhoods, like the projects and stuff and all this. You know, do you know what I mean? Do you know what I'm talking about?

You said it wrong, actually. You're supposed to say nah mean. Now that you've been to a Ghostface show, you can say it. You're allowed. You can even add a dog on the end there if you wish. I think always rap and hip hop has had this kind of slightly threatening demeanor to it, right? And that's part of the allure,

that it's kind of pushing the edge of what's acceptable. And definitely still today, this stuff is still happening with like the rappers like 69 or whatever that guy with tattoos all over his face and neck like 17 that is there's another there's like a kid who's one of them is uh one of them inspects or goes to his uh daughter's uh gynecologist uh sessions to make sure that her hymen ti i think his name is rapper ti god do you know i mean it's just awful and you know you you that world feels deliberately very um i don't know like excluding to to to regular chumps like like boomers like me or whatever do you mean like myself so like like my damn self it feels like i do you know what i mean i'm not it's deliberately scary and threatening and that's part of it and i get it and anyway i was i was almost expecting that a bit and and so because you know bristol does have like quite a

big um area up in st paul's where there's like a lot of black people they have a big festival i love how quickly you say black people very quickly yeah black community you know i don't know how i'm supposed to say it but you know it's fine i could just tell you nervous about what you're what you're gonna say i could tell you don't want to step on any toes yeah exactly but so i don't know but i but i feel like i've been i was wrapped up in this idea that we were going to be the only white guys there and And it was going to be like, I'm totally not fit in. And it was going to be weird. And so anyway, we get in. I just, you know, dump my coat.

Because it's fucking freezing cold. So everyone's like wrapped up anyway. So there's this big queue for the cloakroom. We all dump our coats and gloves and stuff, get a drink. And then the whole place is just, it's like a sea of like, just a mixture of people of all ages, mostly young white guys um and some girls and some older people like some dads it's like a disabled guy there and you know just a whole just a whole mix like a whole cross-section of like just ordinary looking people and um and and

the first act is like this this white rapper who is rapping about how much his dad supported him to do this. And like his dad's in the audience. He like waves. It's like super wholesome. Okay. It's like not what I expected at all. Sound like. And then it kind of.

Then there was this other guy who was like actually a pretty good rapper. And he was like. He was obviously a British rapper. Like I think he'd come down from London or maybe he was local. Yeah, he was good. But he was like. Actually, all the opening acts were surprisingly good. I didn't expect them to be that great. But his raps were very kind of, because there's like a big UK,

like grime scene and a big like, and I've watched a few of like- There wasn't many scrats, but there was a couple of bo-bo-bo-bo-bo's. I don't know if you noticed, but like it wasn't too bad. Anyway, like he was rapping and like it wasn't too bad anyway like he was rapping and like it was it was good to listen to like I could actually with the English accent and stuff I think it I was able to like hear everything that was said and it was kind of like it made a lot of sense like I don't know it was just nice it was it was lyrical Sips was enjoying it I was enjoying it they both had a uh like a bit of a 90s sound to them as well which helped too like

that I prefer that sort of that that sound like that the beats were like very sort of a 90s sound to them as well which helped too like that i prefer that sort of that that sound like that the beats were like very sort of like uh heavy you know like they were like i felt incredibly safe and then there was like a few a few tall people came and stood in front of me and so i sort of had to move away from them because you know there's always tall people at these things and so it's gonna happen it's gonna be like a seven foot tall guy who just walks in front of you at some point and then there was this at the same time there was a woman there who was who was like she looked like she looks about mid-20s but she was she stank she was incredibly sweaty okay and she was just constantly dancing you know like she was on some sort of drugs like she it looked like she'd walked from bumping and grinding wrong

that's what she she was like she was in the wrong place like she was supposed to be a trance gig or something i mean or. Some different event. So she's just dancing away in front of me and Sips really sweatily. Nice description. I like that. And then in the meantime, because Sips announced on this podcast that there were still some tickets available, there were about, I'd say, 20 or 30 fans. I don't think I said there were tickets available.

I think we just said that we're going. i thought you did say that there were some available that does ring a bell i could be wrong it doesn't it doesn't matter all right but whatever happened whatever happened we met about 20 fans there because originally i was confused i was like so do you guys just did you guys just love have we just stumbled upon like something which i didn't know there was such a massive Yogscast Ghostface Killer crossover audience, you know? Yeah. But a couple of them were like, oh yeah, Sips mentioned it, so we got to it. Nice.

You owe me, Ghostface. You owe me. So that was good. I spoke to this one guy who was like, he looked like me from 20 years ago, i.e. he was like, just had glasses, was wearing like a smart shirt, you know, quite a nerdy looking guy. And I was like, what are you doing here? He just said, I come to all of these.

I come and see whoever's on, whatever's going on. And I was like, wow, you just come to just not having any idea what's on. You just turn up. And he was like, I didn't have any idea who Ghostface was. But, you know, I wanted to, I always come here. And I was like, you come here on your own? Anyway, he looks like a future serial killer. I'm sure, shout out to you if you're doing all right.

Shout out to everyone I met. Shout outs. We're doing shout outs. I was told off for doing that. Rightly so too, Lewis. You shouldn't be doing them either. Sorry. Be ashamed of yourself. So I want to ask you guys a question about about

about this this kind of music okay so in the in the uh late 80s and the early 90s when when gangster rap was a thing sips will know what i'm talking about yeah there was a lot of this is bad this is encouraging violence blah blah blah and the counterpoint was always we're just singing about what we know yeah and this is our neighborhood and this is how we grew up. And these are the things that we, oddly enough, even if it sounds unpleasant to an outsider, perhaps it's kind of nostalgic for them, I guess. I've been thinking about this point a lot. And the idea that you just sing about what you know and dust your hands of any responsibility for people being influenced or inspired or the glamorizing of that lifestyle, I think is a little bit silly. So for example,

drill music in the UK is at the moment, that's like the bête noire. Is that like the ultimate dad music or am I misinterpreting? No, no. Drill is the opposite of that. Drill is very hardcore. It's sort of got its roots in UK grime. It's actually American sound, I think, but it's UK drill. It's very violent and sort of it's like if you listen to some of it, it's very local.

Right. So there'll be people talking about their postcode and specific streets and how if you come to a street, we will stab you to death and don't do it because this is our turf. Don't ever come to P street we will stab you to death and don't do it because this is our turn don't ever come to plymouth motherfucker yeah i'll kill you so it's literally like areas of london being rapped about it's sort of like if you come here and you're from there we're gonna stab you to death and we'll send you the bits to your mum you know that kind of stuff right and right and i'm thinking that's not really just singing about your life. That's a literal invitation to other people

to step up with their own drill-based retort or to try and test the limits of this postcode boundary system. I'm just questioning whether you can just continually say, hey, we're just singing about what we know. If what you know is stabbing people to death for being in the wrong postcode, I'm not so sure that's an inspiring message. hey, we're just singing about what we know. If what you know is stabbing people to death for being in the wrong postcode, I'm not so sure that's an inspiring message. I'm also not sure you can just say it's not your fault when other young people are like, yeah, and stab each other.

I think part of that culture has grown out of the glamorizing of that kind of lifestyle. And I'm just saying, I don't agree with the argument that you can just say, hey, man, we're just singing about what we know. And that happens to be dealing drugs to kids, getting kids to kill each other over who's in which postcode and deciding that this estate represents the boundary of some arbitrary territory, when in fact, the problem is a lot deeper. And it's a lot more to do with, you know, essentially, what is child abuse, these older gangsters getting these younger kids to do their bidding. So I disagree with you.

I think it's interesting. It goes back a long way. Like, I think gang culture has always been sort of glamorized and spoken about by mostly people who are in these gangs, right? Because it's almost like a like promotional in a way isn't it it's to say like my gang is the best gang we're like the baddest gang we're dangerous and stuff and it's like it shows loyalty i guess as well like if you're dissing other gangs then people in your gang will be like well fuck this guy's for real like in our gang like there's no he's not a traitor or anything like that i think there's like a lot that goes into it. I get what you mean about like, you know,

just saying like, oh, we're just rapping about what we know or whatever. But like, it's such a cultural thing for people. And I think for people that are wrapped up in a gang and stuff like that, like a lot of these guys that are young and they're taken advantage of by older people who know better probably it's a strange one but everything evolves right like it's the the gang culture and the and the way that people beef with each other and the way that that comes out in into music was never just going to stay the same as it was in the 80s like everything has to evolve into something else so it's just it's natural now to get to this point like maybe we've gotten to this point like a bit too soon or you know maybe nobody ever wanted to

get to this point but here we are with people actually threatening to stab each other now but i mean threats of violence and stuff have always been around like in that in that in those cultures as well right so it's not it's nothing new really but it right it just seems like especially with drill it's quite specific i feel like in in the gangster rap stuff whilst it was definitely i think glamorizing violence especially mainly to white suburban kids to be quite honest with you. Well, that's the ones who were really sort of The ones that had the money to buy all the all the stuff Anyway, the the drill stuff seems very it's very beef oriented and sort of

quite specific The you know gangs will do put out their own tracks to like diss tracks to other specific people previously I feel like it was always rappers doing diss tracks about other rappers. Whereas this feels a bit more neighborhood versus neighborhood. It'd be like if My Street put out an album about the street over, calling them a bunch of cunts, and then were surprised when they weren't happy about it. Agnes Smith from number 125 Mulberry Lane. We're going to knife you, bitch.

We hate you. Literally. Your cats are annoying this is specific your dog shit on my lawn you never put your bins out on bin day your recyclings all over the pavement after the guys have been around yeah we could write a very specific rap i might try and do that for next time and get a sick beat yeah yeah yeah that's that'd be nice illegal carriage he'll come he'll fire back with his own track yeah yeah yeah it's crazy

but I mean fucking I've never heard that music it sounds terrifying but I always have this cynical viewpoint that people are doing it just to be the most extreme to get recognised there is an element to that

free marketing if it's controversial how explicit can we be and it feels like the always the answer is as explicit as as extreme as possible you know i mean you think about cop killer as a as a song the most exposure that song got was when charlton fucking heston read the lyrics at some nra nra meeting or something where he's like cop killer cop killer yeah yeah that was like a big deal that there was a song well like even NWA remember when they when they found out that the FBI uh had them on a list of you know dangerous people or whatever they just use that as marketing they're like fuck yeah okay great that this makes us sound even more notorious than we

already are so you know let's get a whole bunch of footage of us like arming ourselves with like you know ak-47s in the studio and stuff to really hit home and like i don't think nwa in themselves were like the hardest hardcore gangsters the you know look at ice cube now dude's like a cuddly actor yeah i think easy e was pretty hardcore he's not easy was yeah he wasn't he never got into it in the first place to rap he he just wanted to make uh side money for fucking bitches and mac and hoes i believe but he was he was he was like the neighborhood drug dealer right he was like the yeah he was a little he was the gangster like of of their sort of area everybody knew who he was and he just bankrolled them but i used to love his his i thought his his flow was really good and i liked his uh that's what

everybody like all of them thought the same but except for him he was always like oh i sound stupid i don't like this or whatever and everybody's like no no you got to do this like just rap as if you were like just hanging out on the street like with your friends or whatever and and he did and the rest is like history sort of thing yeah it's it's pretty interesting but like yeah i don't know like i think you look at like a lot of these artists and stuff and like i think there is gang affiliation but they're not the guys who are breaking down doors and shooting people in the face and taking money you know what i mean the ultimate question is they're like the bards of the gang sort of thing you know no it's true though it's true i like that i i suppose the the ultimate question you're

going to ask is is anyone going to listen to a piece of music and do something they wouldn't have done anyway i mean that that's the ultimate because otherwise if you open it up and say to g oh yeah you're glamorizing it and now all these kids are stabbing each other it's like wouldn't they have done that anyway i mean do you think they need the music and they're like oh this song has woken me up to the idea that i am now capable of murder like i i don't know i feel like actually it doesn't inspire stuff and i suppose it glamorizes it a little bit and encourages i think it might normalize uh lifestyles but i don't think it necessarily creates them. In the same way that maybe you could use a certain track

to galvanize yourself to study or go and do an exam or go and run a race or whatever. You're such a fucking nerd. Like the Rocky montage. Whoever uses music to inspire themselves to study, what are you talking about? Well, do you know what I was at school and stuff? Anyway stuff anyway look let's get back to ghostface study tracks i love that let's shut up bounce around let's fucking break some books here yeah he just couldn't help

himself he's revealed himself i'm a nerd okay i can't help myself oh that's amazing this fucking book is gonna get ripped up um so i so ghostface then ghostface came out and he just first of all like i must admit i didn't really understand like a single lyric like first of all i filmed a little bit on my phone just to send to you one of those people well and i just i filmed he filmed when they played We Will Rock You by Queen, a song that he recognized. So they played a little bit of that. They played some of the Fugees, Killing Me Softly. No, that was funny.

They played a bit of Nirvana, Smells Like Teeth Spirit. All of these things were like mashups, you know, with some existing thing. And it was funny. I recorded a little bit. And one of the ones I looked back at later, I realized he was rapping like, Bacon and eggs and toast and bacon and eggs.

It's like a breakfast rap. I think I could have done with one of them, actually, to soak up some of the cider. I'm really hungry thinking about that now. But yeah, do you know what? I didn't feel unsafe at any time. I felt it was really wholesome. It was a good crowd.

I had a really nice time. And I kind of, I'm not disappointed that I didn't feel unsafe, but like... You wanted some danger? I just wanted a bit of risk. I think if you pushed some people around and called them names, if you dissed their postcode, you never know. You might be able to start a beef. There was a drunk guy

who started dancing around in front of me and bumped into me a couple of times and I gave him a big shove. Wow. Actually, I shouldn't use the term starting a beef because as a vegan, obviously, you would have to start a tofu or...

A plant-based patty. Exactly. Microprotein altercation. So this is what I'm told now by the way guys if you're gonna if you're gonna be if you're interested in being healthy you can be plant based right you eat plant-based foods yeah because vegans vegan isn't a cool world it's got stigma attached to it i don't know if that's true it's like an insult protesters you know i think plant-based sounds worse i think veganism has actually come a long

way sounds like it's part-based sounds like really healthy it sounds like you know you've just done a run and you're gonna have your you know your protein shake and a plant-based uh snack i think that's a big mistake to rebrand i think vegans vegans used to have a bad rap now like i like everybody points out there's a vegan sausage roll for christ Christ's sake, in Gregg's. So I think the word vegan has stopped being like a bad word. I think a lot of people have embraced it, especially young people. Yeah, now they've figured out how to make a lot of money off of it. So it's the next big thing, right? I think the problem with vegan is vegan feels like you're trying to replicate the meat products,

whereas plant-based feels like you're just doing your own thing. Where does the word come from? Is it Greek or something? What does it mean, the word vegan? Vegan. I think it's just an even more shortened vegetarian, right? Maybe? Even less.

You eat less than a vegetarian. I don't know. But no, I had a really good time. I think everyone had a really good time. Yeah, it was great. Like I said, I want to go to another one one see if we could maybe go to like glasgow next year and see like the whole clan that'd be good you would love that you would love the whole clan that would be an experience you'd get to see like uh the risen like uh the jizza the jizza the old dirty bastard

young dirty bastard now actually okay um his Okay. His son has taken over. Oh, nice. His son has taken over. The YDB. The term vegan is just the first few letters of vegetarian and the last few letters of vegetarian. So it's vegan. Vegan. Thank you.

And it was just as part of the Donald Watson, secretary of the Leicester branch of the Vegetarian Society, set up a new quarterly newsletter priced tuppence called the vegan news when the vegetarian society was like no we're not going to give you vegan space in our newsletter and then he said well i'll start my own newsletter and they said fine you go and do that and that's what he did so that's where vegan comes from nice we learned something today i thought i thought old old dirty bastard was called that because he had like 20 children right i thought he was just actually dirty they called him old dirty bastard because there is no Old Dirty Bastard was called that because he had like 20 children, right? No, he was just actually dirty. They called him Old Dirty Bastard because there was no father to his style, Lewis. He was off the grid.

There was a martial arts movie called Old Dirty and the Bastards. There you go. They used to call him Rusty. And he used to be very dirty. And he had like shit stains in his undies and stuff and he was just kind of like you know the guy that got picked on for it but he didn't give a fuck he was just like he turned it around he did a load of drugs and did his own thing cool music and didn't give a fuck yeah and then died of a drug overdose well that's odb he left as he died he did 35 drugs

as old as my age he died it's a shame look how much he he achieved he was nuts i liked him he had really good one of the things i will say about the tech clan is that obviously i knew really very little about them but it feels like like they were obviously fans of like these martial arts movies in the 80s and you know all of these kind of semi kind of crappy like like ghetto movies that were kind of often like very exaggerated and kind of just weird. And even like, and actually a lot of the lyrics after I listened through some of the albums in preparation, I did my homework for this gig. Did you put on some study music beforehand? You put on some lo-fi routine to help study.

Most people just go to the gig. But Lewis is like doing his research ahead of time it's adorable well it felt like they were even like

when they started writing these albums they were not scared to use like these external influences you know like some of the some of the

you know they're talking about Voltron and stuff you know they're talking about like stuff that you know can you imagine today

you've got like fucking I don't know Chief Keef or something, some drill music guy. Chief Keef is one of the oldest rappers around, isn't he? Chief Keef. He's like a fucking... He's like a drill music guy.

Is he? I googled him up. Oh, there he is. Imagine him... He's 24. ...talking about, I don't know, anime. Do you know what I mean? Watching Naruto, doing the run with my arms behind me. They don't know anime like do you mean watching naruto do it like doing the run with my arms

behind me but they don't know most rap isn't isn't like that you know like the the misconception or like the the sort of like you know like when like a kid's movie uh does like a rap it's there they do them like ironically to be funny or whatever and it's often about stupid shit like you know like oh i've shit my pants or i'm watching i'm watching my little pony and they you know they do a dumb rap about it or whatever but like most most rap isn't like that at all like you know like they they choose words carefully to make make everything flow better and sound better and not just sound stupid like something you wouldn't want to listen to you know right right but i mean i feel like it wouldn't fly today for you wouldn't get a rap well maybe you would i'm thinking a grandmaster flash by the way is who i'm you wouldn't get like a big modern rap group that has a name that is based off of you know some bad asian movies no but back in the in back in the

in those days uh like rap i think it i think it still happens to an extent, but it's a lot more obscure. But a lot of like early hip hop and like the sort of like, you know, golden age of hip hop, like heavy, heavy sampling of like soul, like old soul music, like from like the 60s and the and the 70s and and just like some of these some of these songs you'll hear for like the first time and maybe you've only ever heard the hip-hop song but it's just like they literally just take a song and just put a heavier drum beat over it in a lot of cases and it's just like okay so they've just effectively stolen a song and that but i think that that's the origins that was the origins nowadays it's it you know so but i think the fact that things were so borrowed back then meant that you know like they're like oh fuck we're borrowing the song we might as well just borrow like the names from this movie and all this other shit from a movie as well you know what i mean like i think

it was just the done thing back then whereas now i mean but also it's like if you think about if you're making music without instruments you're relying on other people who've made music with instruments you can then sample but um but yeah i agree to an extent you probably wouldn't get it again but that's kind of what made them so unique you know like even the cover of their first album you know they're all wearing masks and stuff. And I think everybody just thought this is fucking so weird and like crazy, but kind of cool as well. And people loved it. I guess my sort of feeling was that it was more embracing of popular culture, whereas I don't know whether grime artists and stuff and drill are kind of more in their own bubble, in their own world, like not willing to like, you know, I guess I'm wondering how attached they are, modern artists, to like having a foothold in their community as like an identity

and they're using like, you know, like you said, like local postcode beefs and stuff. You know, that feels to me like someone's just trying to write in this thing just to stand out with their group of you know in their like almost like just having like a a gang anthem it's a bit like having a youtube channel where you just make videos for your mates and then it gradually becomes a thing there's some but because it's on youtube people you know will pay you for it and suddenly yeah oh my god that's what it's like. Holy shit. God, wow.

That's literally how I think we all started, really, was just making videos for your guild or your corp or just your mates and stuff. Not me. Not me. I was promised wheelbarrows full of money for playing games. And I was like, yep. Did it work out?

It did, right? Pretty much, yeah. I wonder whether or not, you know, because my head has been spun around by how wholesome this this event was maybe like if i went to a gig in like brixton you know with a bunch of guys playing drill would that be all wholesome or would i would i genuinely be shitting we might what this depends i don't know like i i feel like i feel ghostface been around for a long time you know wu-tang's been around for a long time. Wu-Tang's been around for a long time.

They'll definitely have a more mixed audience than something that's new. Maybe it's scary right now in Brixton, but in 20 years, when all these artists grow up and have kids and are dads. There was a good mix of people at that show. Is it going to be a wholesome show? Does everything evolve?

I feel like all the wu-tang clan are now like i don't know i don't i don't really know have they murdered anyone or done anything really bad i don't know maybe i don't believe so they've all no i don't think they've done anything overly bad but they you know they they grew up in very sort of like you know rough circumstance deprived circumstances so they're they all they've all got like you know previous felonies and a lot of them have you know served served time in jail and right for various things or whatever like it's it's kind of inevitable i think like when when that's your background you know you come from a

poor area where you know there is a lot of crime and stuff like that uh have you guys watched this show uh the mandalorian no no well well it's on disney it is everybody's going nuts about it though isn't there like a baby yoda the only way that we can watch this movie the only way you can watch the mandalorian okay is if you have a u.s address and you're you're you charge the account to that and you use a proxy so flax how did you watch the mandalorian then having known exactly exactly that way wow okay okay cool well good to know it's uh i've got a i've got a good vpn and um i have an address in the states my uh you know i have access to an address in the states so yeah excellent well good or we haven't seen it because we don't have access we don't have a good

vpn either let me tell you something i'm not gonna say they seen it because we don't have access. We don't have a good VPN either. Let me tell you something. I'm not going to say they stole, but I wouldn't have minded a nod in the credits. Shout out to Bodega. I know you hate shout outs. Did they do a shout out to Bodega in the credits? No, but I wouldn't have minded. No, no.

He even uses the grabby grabby at one point. Opening scene is in a dusty bar i mean i know it's not you know exactly it's pretty cliched in itself but i just thought you know the very first step of the very first scene just like bodega come on come on why are you unhappy about the bodega live action series well now there's not going to be a fucking bodega now there's not going to be that any vanishingly small chance there already was of there being some kind of bodega tv show forget about it because everyone will just say oh it's just just like the mandalorian and then the truth fans will come out and say actually bodega's been around a lot longer than

the mandalorian yeah and i would praise those people but uh yeah there's no chance now there's no any any like i said there was probably a 0.01 chance that some yahoo at netflix would go like this bodega looks pretty good make Make it into a TV show. But now there's no chance because The Mandalorian is basically bodega the fucking TV show. So yeah, they beat you to it. Fucking Disney. You had to get in there before Disney. I needed to start my own multi-billion dollar entertainment corporation.

So what do you think of it? I thought it was great. It's only like two episodes out. Oh, geez. I'm sorry. I'm not allowed to have opinions anymore, am I? I forgot. It's good. Well, no, it's just, I just, it's like you've episodes out oh geez i'm sorry i'm not allowed to have opinions anymore am i i forgot well no it's good well no i just i just it's like you've had the dog for 12 hours we love her she's on she's not allowed on the sofa the kids are cleaning their room

we'll see the first episode of the mad lawyer and it's great episodes two episodes first two episodes and i've also been watching a show called succession right um which has got brian cox the good one not the fucking flake scientist the good brian cox from bolton um tell us how you really feel about brian cox i don't like him i don't like him he's a leech right on the bbc tax payer he's every woman every middle-aged housewife's wet dream. Is he? That's a little bit insulting to the middle-aged. Hard grind, and she's staying at home, flicking her bean to Brian Cox. Flicking her bean.

And I'm the boomer, apparently. I mean, Jesus. Flicking her bean. Unbelievable. We've reached a new low on this podcast. That's a low. Lewis the boomer brinley oh unbelievable yeah succession is really good i've been watching uh the devil next door which i think is has been pretty interesting it's about the um the guy oh that's good in the 80s they

think he was a Nazi death camp operator. He maintains that he wasn't. John Dmanuk. We recommended you this last week. Dmanuk, yeah. Dmanuk. I'm glad you're watching that. It's very harrowing, but very good.

I love courtroom stuff because I find it so fascinating in general. I feel like I like that better than the like stuff like the men, like superhero stuff. And like, I, I, I much prefer real crime, like real stuff, documentaries and stuff now to like fiction.

Well, I think what's nice about it is that when this was happening, it happened over this 20 year period. And so you only really got it in dribs and drabs when you were living through it. And so it's now sort of this whole historical story all pieced together nicely well it was going on i was seven years old so like i don't think i was keeping up with it back then you know like i didn't have my device with the notifications turned on or anything back then to like let me know the latest on the

but even stuff that you've lived even stuff that you've lived through you know you don't necessarily you didn't necessarily follow every single aspect of it. Or certainly know what was going on behind the scenes. No, of course not. Anyway, we've got to go. But thanks for listening. This is a very positive podcast, actually. Ghost is Killer was good.

It was one of the better ones, actually. Lots of good things. I don't think we talked about porn or dicks or anything once this time. A little bit. Who did it? Who was it? He said Flickin' a Bean. Oh, yeah, that's right. A little bit. Who did it? Who was it? He said flick in a bean. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Fucking lick it all back. Goddamn, Lewis. What the hell goes through your mind? Thanks, everybody. See you next time. See you next week. Goodbye. Bye.

Bye-bye. Bye-bye.