Triforce! - Triforce! #130: That American Life

Episode Date: June 11, 2020

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see? Yeah, you like that, don't you, Kappa? Huh? Huh? I've been watching some old movies this week. Nice. Nice. Very, very good. How old? Yeah. Well, I'm in my 40s movies this week Nice, very good How old? I'm fucking old You're not on the trolley are you? I watched some films

Because I've been streaming in the mornings And a bit into the afternoon And then Mrs F is around She's got the week off Because my oldest has gone back to school So she's chilling with her Getting her used to being on her own again And I've been going down in the afternoon and we've been sticking on an old movie. Oddly enough, iPlayer has a lot of older movies on it. I

didn't know this until Mrs. F pointed it out. But if you go look on iPlayer and films, there's tons of old movies, absolutely tons. Very old, a lot of them very good. So I watched Angel Face, which is a film Angel Face Angel Face yeah but it's not a gangster movie it's a crisscross double miter

it's which is quite funny and then we watched Double Identity which is a film noir classic about a guy hey doll

now listen to this see literally you've got double identities yourself this guy this guy this guy he says uh he walks in now bear in mind he's trying to sell her insurance life insurance because you can get i don't know if he still can i don't believe you can but you could take out

life insurance on someone else's life and they didn't even necessarily need to know about this policy so she's like this sort of scheming film noir kind of villainous character, like the way a lot of women were. When you see them in these movies, they're just lit on the eyes. They're normally in shadow. They're always smoking. Hey, mister, you got a light for a gal? Drop in, dollface. And so he goes in and he says, hang my hat up, will you? And just gives her his hat. And she like scurries off to hang his hat up.

And it's just like all throughout the movie, he's basically like, get me a cup of coffee to whichever woman is in sight. And it just makes me laugh. Like that was, yeah, that's the way you do it. If there's a woman to hang, get her to make you a coffee

or hang your hat up or stuff. It just cracks me up. So the whole film, although it it was brilliant it is so incredibly dated that it it sticks out like a sore thumb i recommend watching it just for those moments alone are hilarious oh man is it very world war ii like it's pre-war this is either pre-war or post-war like most of the most of them are set pre-war but i think quite a lot of them were made in the 40s and 50s some of them were made like during the war and they just don't mention it, because I guess the Americans hadn't gotten involved yet.

But there was one, Angel Face, which was made, I think it was probably made in the late 30s. Let me look it up, actually. It was a good movie. It was a good movie. 1953, this was made. What is double indemnity? I guess it's not like Double Jeopardy. No, double indemnity is... No, not like double jeopardy no double indemnity is double jeopardy is is is to do with insurance i think let me see if i can find the

movie it's a film double jeopardy starring ashley judd i'm pretty sure double it was it was she like double jeopardy she's accused of like killing her husband uh and then she gets off somehow and then she actually kills her husband in the end and but she can't be tried for it again so who was her husband who was her husband in that i want i want to say that it was like uh bill paxton or somebody like that but it was tommy lee jones tommy lee jones oh my god oh man so yeah so a It was Tommy Lee Jones. Tommy Lee Jones? Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, man. So, yeah. So, a double indemnity is to do with, it's an insurance thing. Let me see if I can find the details of it, because they mention it, but I couldn't remember. Oh, here you go.

Yeah. Doubles the payout in rare cases. That's right. Where the death is weird, such as falling off a train. Yes. So, they connive to do that. There's a lot of... One of the best bits is he shoots this woman.

He goes, goodbye, baby. Bang, bang, and shoots her. It's just so good. But it is a really good film. It is really, really good. But yeah, they're so dated. It's incredible. It's just amazing.

I recommend it very much. It's a real look into the Hollywood movie culture of that time and how people were so different, you know, certainly from what we're used to. You know, although, you know, we had such similar, I guess, lives, you know, really, in terms of, you know, going to work and you dressed up smart and you, I don't know, you ate out at restaurants, you know, drank coffee. you dressed up smart and you i don't know you ate out of

restaurants you know coffee and that much has changed i mean people had cars they had jobs we had planes you know their telephones but the cultural attitude towards people was so different very certainly yeah with all of the riots going on in america at the moment you know it's it's tough like um it's been very tough. I don't know. It's obviously dominated the news this week that there's this kind of big kind of final like snap, I guess, of something which has been a systemic issue in America that we've kind of joked about and also just been aware of you know in terms of both police brutality but also

racism inherent in society i feel like there was a straw that that you know the camel's back it only takes so much i mean there was the rodney king kind of riots back in 1992 in yeah in america and that was something which is so many parallels to today. And that's 30 years ago. Yeah. You know, so it's this systemic issue that's never been addressed. And it's got it's just still so prevalent to today. You know what I think the interesting thing is the Rodney King riots were very much centered around like writing in LA. And it was mainly black people writing in LA was like the Rodney King riots, the LA riots and all that stuff. Whereas this feels much more like a national, we've had enough movement. And I think

it's exposed a lot about how angry people are. I mean, if you watch the video of George Floyd being murdered, there's no way this was an accident. I mean, if you look at the cop doing it, he's got his hands in his pockets. I wouldn't be surprised if he's jiggling his dick with one of the hands in his pocket he seems to be enjoying it very much that he's got his knee on this guy's neck i was fucking disgusted and then you see the police driving their cars into people yeah i know it's fucking disgusting we really are seeing like the thing is everything's captured on video now and unfortunately the media does show us the dark side of it all and it's very ironic i know it's very ironic though that this sort of the the cause of this is sort of a police brutality but

at the same time we are seeing that so much more of it since this this this is rights are going on it's kind of ironic that the answer to the riots about police brutality are more police brutality it's kind of mind-boggling but it's they they've it's been going on for a long time they can't help themselves because i don't think that they're trained properly in the first place a lot of them are just not very smart and it's this ingrained cultural kind of bias against against the black community clearly and yeah i'm sure like we're not the right people to talk about this and we're not even in the right country well so it does affect the uk to some extent and in london there's some similar issues. And certainly in other cities, too. It's not entirely America-centric.

But this is what's happening now. I mean, another thing I see is people constantly saying, well, it's not this, and there's all different sides to all this. I mean, let's just talk about this. I mean, this is unbelievable that it's happened. And it's unbelievable the response to it. And it's genuinely a completely bipartisan issue. You've got Republicans coming out and saying Donald Trump is fucking this up.

Because he is. This is going to divide America. And they also know there is a fucking election coming up. I would be amazed. I assumed for a very long time that he would win a second election. Because I just think it's very rare for an incumbent president to lose a second election it's unusual more often than not you win once you're gonna win the second time because people like wow he's already in there give him a shot disconnect no i didn't disconnect hello can you hear me can you guys still hear me

it was the middle of a rant and he just disconnected yeah i think uh oh my god they can't hear me but it's probably the cia spying on him he's getting too uh getting too close to the truth so they cut him off that's right they had to cut him off oh my god internet yeah that's true sips holy shit that's brutal before we go too deep into the angry side of it i mean i think that what we're not necessarily being shown is is all of the riots that are or not the riots like the protests that are peaceful and are gentle and a lot of cities are doing it right and are not looting and and you know punching reporters and cameramen in the face i mean they're they're the extreme cases that we see of course yeah but again it's without that and it's it's sad but it it's a positive thing though it

raises attention and awareness and i think a lot of people are doing it in ways that are correct but it's so tough there's always going to be bad apples and america god when you've got a country that's neglected mental health care for people and and allows i know guns on every street corner you've got this you've got this this i think you've got a dangerous a much more i feel like i feel like their problems are are so deep that this is just not not even like the close to the root of it you know what i mean it's yeah it's a symptom of it and there's there's so many other symptoms as well that sort of get their limelight when things crop up or whatever. Hello.

PFlex, you got disconnected. The CIA cut you off. I think the CIA bombed you for your... Can you hear me, though? Yeah, I can hear you now. Okay. Welcome back. Sorry, listeners.

We are having some technical issues. My Discord crashed. It's all right. We understand. They want to silence the truth, but are having some technical issues. My Discord crashed. It's all right. We understand. They want to silence the truth, but they're not going to. That's right here at the Triforce podcast. You can't keep Flax down. He's going to say what he's going to say, and you can't stop him.

That's the thing. He's like a runaway train in the middle of the night. That's right. My rant was cut off, but it's fine. I must admit that my house over this course of this coronavirus has gotten a little bit like eluded, blessed by, and it's just a fucking complete shithole. So on Sunday, I was like, I'm gonna spend an hour tidying up. Oh, you know what? On that topic, because I've done that quite a few times recently with various things.

It sucks doing it. It sucks leading up to doing it, right? You don't want to do it. Psyching yourself up to doing it. Well, I booked an hour. I was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it 11 till 12 on Sunday. Even the depressing notion of booking an hour to clean something or whatever.

You know, the whole thing sucks right yeah but i was dreading it and i was like thinking can i put it off but then i was like fuck it i want to do this but then i went through and you do it out a bunch of cupboards chucked a load of shit in the bin yeah i went down to the bin and took a load of bin bags of old crap down that i was just like i've got all these old board games i never use i've got the old i've got old vive that i bought like five years ago used like twice so i boxed up all the crap tidied up and i felt like a little bit not a big weight lifting but a little bit of a pressure lift off me um i don't know i'd liked it was a little bit cathartic yeah so you get some satisfaction out of it right i i cleared out my my garden shed the other week which is turns out is like a tardis like i

can't believe how much fucking stuff was in there it was unbelievable like my whole drive out of mind if you can like a shed especially it's not like a cupboard you might open a cupboard occasionally how often do you go down to a shed no never and then you yeah you go down there to dump stuff in it and i mean you just sort of open the door and throw it in there and close the door and the catalyst for change for this was i had to go get my son's bike out of the shed because he decided he wanted to ride his bike around and a whole bunch of stuff collapsed you were in there for like two hours looking for it and i got so annoyed that i was like fuck it this is now taking my top priority. Like I will systematically unfuck this shed if it's the last thing I do.

And I did. And I put all the junk that I wanted to get rid of from out of the shed onto my driveway. My driveway was full of shit. It was, there was crap everywhere. And then I called this guy who turned up in a truck, loaded it all up. Bam, bam, bam yeah and he and he took

it to the dump and it was a big old load i couldn't have done it myself i at first i thought you know what i'm gonna start loading up the car and then i thought myself nah this isn't my what did you what did you chuck out on a list oh god there was old stuff like we had like this old shelving unit that was like modular you could take it apart and put it back together like the poles that had like these little plastic things that i know what you mean held the shelf in place and we used to get like one of those cheap cheap cheap storage things yeah yeah you find it in like uh but you think oh well i don't want to chuck it because it's kind of it's like a shelf for paint or something in a garage. There was like one of those.

There was a whole bunch of old bags of hay and straw. We used to keep guinea pigs. Yeah, a long time ago. Oh, guinea pigs. But we had a whole bunch of paraphernalia for them after we moved. We haven't had any since. Paraphernalia. That's a word that's only ever used by police when they arrest some weed smokers.

I've been watching live pd which is shit so i i got recommended i don't know why youtube suggested i think because i've been watching videos about the riots what happens mine has just gone onto chess now i'm watching this nakamura whatever his name is yes his streams are good but uh so it's now been suggesting me live pd okay which is a it's an as live show i don't believe it's now been suggested to me, Live PD. Okay. Which is an as-live show. I don't believe it's completely live.

But they basically, it's very popular in America. There's a This American Life podcast about it. So here's my list of things that I have picked up so far about Live PD. All right, number one. about live PD. All right, number one, an awful lot of Americans drive around with guns, weed, meth, and paraphernalia in their car. I don't know why they have to have it on them at all times. I don't know why, like, oh, I'm just popping to the shop. Oh, hand me that crack pipe and those baggies of meth, because I've got to go get some beer. And then I'm going to drink the beer in the car while i'm driving home and i'm going to drive like an idiot that's the other thing they all drive these busted up cars with fucked up taillights and they drive like it is they don't

signal they're veering all over the place they're just they'll just park up randomly because they're so fucking high they can't drive anymore and the police come up and say and they go hey uh can you wind down the window for me please and you immediately do not do that okay because the once you wind down the window all the weed smell comes out and they go strong smell of weed coming off the car do you hop out for me please and now they've got probable cause like it's the funniest thing is like the the arguments that they have with the police are the same is there anything in the car i should know about first of all they say you got anything in your pockets anything sharp that's going to spike me or hurt me you got any weapons in you

no sir is there anything in the car there's nothing in the car and then they'll say okay because i'm going to look in the car and if i find something it's going to go badly for you be honest with me they say all right there's some weed in the car and they'll say all right let's it's just a little bit of wheat oh just a tiny bit and then they'll go and look and they'll find like three kilograms of weed and then the guy says this car isn't mine that always happens whose car is it oh uh it's i uh i borrowed it from my uh brother's uh girlfriend's uh mom who borrowed it from her uncle. Okay, whose weed is this? Oh, the weed isn't mine. I didn't even know it was in there. And then they'll say, okay, we're going to

keep searching, get the drug dog. And they'll say, yeah, okay, so that meth that you found and those two guns, they're not mine. And then they'll say, alright, you're under arrest. And they'll say, what did I do wrong? What did I do wrong? Were you arresting me? Like, every single time, it's the same.

There's nothing in the car. Okay. There's some weed in the car. The car isn't mine. The weed isn't mine. All the other stuff you just found isn't mine. What did I do wrong? Like it's, it's like a flow chart in their brain and it's just panic.

They just panic. Or the police will knock on the window and the guy turns into sweat, pour it off him. You seem nervous. You're right. Yeah, I'm just fine. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. But it's unbelievable it's unbelievable but i would be i honestly if i got stopped by american police i would be terrified i would

be shitting people always i every time i see like someone with someone standing up to the police i'm always like shocked like some some guys like saying you know what am i being stopped for or like as soon as they like i I'm like, oh, God. I know you're supposed to say these things. So I'm like, Jesus, why would you say that? Just fucking do whatever. No, you mustn't. You mustn't.

You haven't watched the other videos that get recommended to you. What to do when you get stopped by the police. But they've never been. I've seen so many times when it's just gone the opposite way. Like, show me. No, no, no. All right, I watched this guy. He's a lawyer.

First of all, I found it a little shady that this guy was telling you how to get away from being caught by the police. But number one, the police pull you over for something. Busted taillight or you were driving a bit funky. Don't wind down your window the whole way. I'm driving low. I've got three kilos of meth. It's not mine. Right.

It's not my car. Right. It's my auntie's. You fail to turn you fail to make a turn signal the police pull you over i'll be the officer and you be the guy i'll tell you everything you've done wrong all right that's me knocking on your window all right you wind the window down for me sir i'm winding the window down it's a bit squeaky um hello so the reason i pulled you over today is because you failed to make a turn signal back there. Do you have your license and registration and insurance documentation on you, please? Uh, no.

I've got it at home in the box. Okay, you are meant to carry it with you, sir. Wrong, Lewis, wrong. Is this your car? This isn't even my car, is what you're meant to say. Oh, whose car is it? Nothing is yours. Sips is your passenger, by the way, so anything he he says the cop is going to hear as well can you guys just

keep your hands where i can see him please stop reaching around in your pockets but put them on the dashboard now tell me i was thinking just i think i might have a copy of um my driver's license my wallet but i haven't got the paper bit i've only got the card bit there you don't need the paper bit i just need the card if you have your card go ahead i've got that i've got that i can show you that already you're already you're already You're already being dragged out of the car and shot, Lewis. You're talking way too much. So the first, you've done so much wrong. All right, so he'll say, is there anything in the car I should know about?

Anything illegal in the car? No. So you wouldn't mind me having a look inside the car? Do you have to? Well, sir, it would be much easier for you if I did it now. If I have to detain you and I have to take the car away down to the station, anything you bring there, if you've had drugs on you when we take you to jail, that will count as you smuggling drugs into jail.

And it would be much better to get it off you here. How does that work? Rather than get a bigger sentence down at the station. So tell me now, is there anything in the car that shouldn't be there? No, no, it's all good. okay, so it's okay to search it if you just hop out, sir. And my my partner is gonna look gonna look after you while I have a look around your car. So you get out of the car. Yep. sips gets out of the car. No, I refuse. I'm still sitting in the

car. Okay, sir. Can you get out of the car, please? Oh, okay. We got a problem here. All right, put cuffs on Lewis. Now I'm gonna call for backup. And now we can definitely search your car And we're going to forcibly remove you from the car If you don't get out in the next few seconds So I need you to get out of the car Or we're going to drag you out of the car And cuff you

You'll be arrested Oh god This has gone exactly how I thought it would go on TV This has gone exactly as badly as I thought it would go All for a simple traffic stop And now I'm searching your car You might have An old joint

Stuffed down the back of the seat into my car you don't know what he's got some old fucking hamster straw exactly they're gonna think it's like some fucking yeah you're hoping we take all my stuff from my my shed to the dump that's what now you don't know what is in there a little a little ball of cocaine might have fallen out from some old shoe yeah right and now that's in the car car. You're going to catch that. All of this stuff that's gone wrong could be prevented very simply. Number one, keep your... Obviously, there are times this will go wrong. Your license and registration have to be on you and they have to be to hand. When the officer stops you, don't wind your window all the way down. Just wind it down a tiny bit, just enough that you can hear him. You say, what can

I help you with, officer? And he'll say, do you have your id and registration please and you pass those out the window as long as you don't have any warrants on you he'll write you a ticket he gives you back your id and you go that's the idea if they say to you is there anything in the car that shouldn't be there you should say no there is nothing illegal in the car well you don't mind me searching then do you i do not want to be searched i do not want you searching my car you don't have probable cause i don't want you searching my car because if they find anything, you go into fucking jail. You are going to jail. And you've given them this free opportunity to search your car.

Because they haven't got probable cause. When you wind the window down all the way and all this weed smoke comes pouring out, now they've got probable cause. But until you do that, they don't have probable cause. They've stopped you for a traffic violation. They give you the ticket for that. End of story. But people dig themselves into this hole they're digging and they're digging and they're digging there's nothing in the car they're only a little mess

you know and then all of a sudden they're going to prison well i mean in some cases fair enough right like i guess like when you're when you're the thing is like on one hand you know i feel like they shouldn't do this at all they shouldn't have to do these bullshit tactics to like catch people right for a start um i feel like the the policy shouldn't be to be so tricky and aggressive and cheaty and scummy you know because it could just lead to them planting stuff you know and all sorts of problems like you know there should be no it shouldn't be allowed that they can do these tricksy things what like on the other hand you don't mind me searching your car do i mean all this bullshit doesn't feel it just doesn't feel like it should be a good it's not doesn't feel like it's a good way to live it's it's purely because the the rules are there to protect people and the police have to

get past those rules to catch people generally like it's rare that someone's just gonna fucking the police officer gonna say hi the reason i'm stopping you is because of the weed in my car like that's not gonna happen very often and like i said an awful lot of people certainly on live pd drive around with stuff on them they shouldn't have loads you know what the other thing is an awful lot of americans have been to jail for relatively minor things you get banged up pretty quickly in america like it's a very very very strict legal system that they've got and you can banged up pretty quickly in america like it's a very very very strict legal system that they've got and you can get locked up for all kinds of stuff yeah and an

awful lot of shit is illegal over there like stuff we're like you know okay you go to jail and you might go it might only be 30 days or whatever but a lot of people have done time look at the numbers they have the most prisoners in the world yeah they're in america they're very quick to lock people up so a lot of people have or, and also a lot of people have warrants. Uh, they could be for minor things like, but they've got them. And the moment you get pulled over, you're opening yourself up to a whole world of legal pain. And the police know that. And I guess if they pull you over and you get, and there's, it's nothing like I got pulled over. I think I'd spoke about this before. I went through a stop sign. I was lost. I was unfamiliar with driving in America. i went through a stop sign and the cop was i didn't even see him like that and there was the lights and i

was like oh fuck i'm gonna get shot in the face or something this guy pulled me over very nice guy yeah and he explained how stop signs work in a very patronizing way which was very funny and i you know that that's fine it was a perfectly normal stop i genuinely didn't have anything illegal in the car because i'm a fucking tourist i'm not going to be that stupid but if i'm just some local guy who smokes weed occasionally and maybe you know even some meth which is not cool don't you know don't drive like an idiot it's it's it's really simple but like my dad always says if you break one law why don't you break some more it's odd because it's very fishing right it's like they they're going out fishing for for criminal activity and i mean i i get it like i understand why why they're doing it but at the

same time like why why is america like this why is america like this because i mean it's like like sweden or some other country you know know, even the UK, mostly. Like, what is it? Is it just a massive population? Is it like the weather? Is it like the psychologies? Like that kind of hoorah of your freedom, like culture? You know, like, for example, there's a very, in this coronavirus thing,

there's been this sort of very much blitz spirit, right? Almost like the people in the UK have had this, In this coronavirus thing, there's been this sort of very much blitz spirit, right? Almost like the people of the UK have had this, we went through the blitz, almost to fall back on, even though barely anyone, you know, is still alive from that time. You know, anyone who's lived through the blitz is like 80 or 90 now, right? But we have this kind of national sentiment where it feels like, as the British, we could get through this. We got through theis bombing every city and all this well we love to struggle you know we love to struggle but that's this kind of overriding thing that we could kind of fall back on in our national psyche right yeah whereas america have this slightly different culture where

it's almost like we we we did we could do it ourselves we can build our own our house we can carve out we can carve out our own destiny there's like we can work hard there's general things like that overarching um in america that that that is true sort of thing but like when you if you're looking at like how police forces and police departments work like across the whole country and stuff there's lots of inconsistencies like from state to state state same with yeah that's the same with criminal justice same with governance like everything like everywhere is different a lot of problems that america had like in in say like the 70s and the 80s you know when serial killers were getting um kind of kind of going out of control and they were harder to like track down and stuff

is because a lot of the police departments wouldn't even talk to each other. They had no sort of like idea what was going on, just like a county over from them sort of thing. Like they didn't share information. The training programs were all different. Like you can become a cop in California after like 48 weeks of training. Oh, it's way less than that. You can become a cop in california after like 48 weeks of training

or you know it's way less than you could become a cop in in virginia in 16 weeks of training you know what i mean and it's like it's crazy you don't get that as much in the uk because the entire system is the same across the uk it doesn't matter which force you work for it all lines into the same thing right but i don't think america has anything like that so there's there's all sorts of um imbalances all across their their system you know some places will be better than others i mean you're right it's a completely somewhat in one state it's completely different i mean it's like it's like 100 countries in one america but i think it's i also think it's really natural uh like it's almost

like a natural human thing for for police to profile in the way that they do i'm not saying it's right and i don't i would never defend them either but uh police forces in in areas where where profiling is done a lot more than say some sleepy uh town that has like 2 000 people in it and they're all sort of like you know polo shirt khaki wearing white people you know what i mean that like the the police force there is going to be far different to like a police force in like a big city where they're they they're profiling like crazy all the time um you know there's a lot of guns in america so that there's always going to be some element of people being scared that somebody's got a concealed weapon or whatever and like it just feels like so so many things all lead into these bigger problems and and the whole it feels like

the whole thing is just such a fucking mess and like so in connecticut right listen to this i mean you have to be 21 have a high school deployment otherwise you need to have graduated from school like basic school nothing more than that a driver's license no criminal record and you have to do 818 hours of basic training that's 30 days yeah it's not after a month and a 21 year old could be anybody as long as he hasn't got a criminal record he's a fucking cop now i feel like 30 days i feel like and they're armed i feel like it's crazy too you see like the footage that flax is talking about about you know cars ramming people horses trampling people like it it is disgusting and it just and and it just shows how ill equipped some of these people are

like to be doing their jobs, right? Like, say you say you run a police force, and you're hiring people or whatever. And you found out that, you know, one of your guys is acting like that, you'd want to get rid of them straight away, right? Like, there's just no way that that person is in any sort of control. If they're doing that. It's just, let's say that you've got some guys who've been cops for 10 years. And they're if they're doing that. It's just, it's crazy. All right, so let's say that you've got some guys who've been cops for 10 years and they're racists. I'm not saying, I'm absolutely not saying that they are all like that, but it doesn't matter

because enough of them are that if you have 30 days training and you're 21 or 22 and the guy who's been there 10 years, big guy, a lot of respect around the police force, very tough, very confident. If he tells you this is the way it is you're going to believe him yeah because he knows what he's doing if you go to any job you don't think this was against the training you think i'll do what everybody else is doing because that's how jobs work you tend to fall into line along what your colleagues are doing

and there's a very very much a sort of blue wall where they you know they don't dob on each other they they look out for each other they see it as like a team yeah that they are on and it's far more than just an office if you noticed at work that some guy who didn't know particularly well was fucking stealing stuff you might tell someone you know tony is stealing constantly from the office he stole the computer the other way you tell someone but in the police force you don't no and that means that these bad apples can corrupt an awful lot and there's more than bad apples these are fucking assholes and they're corrupting a lot of these guys around apparently in america as well the uh the unions that put that like protect uh police officers or work for police officers are are really powerful like huge really powerful um and will oftentimes

get um officers off for misconduct or whatever without any jail time without any you know any like uh any sort of like knock-on effects to like the rest of their lives sort of thing you know like they could get they could get caught up on some some sort of misconduct or whatever and then just get discharged from the force yeah and you think okay guys get away fine this guy is out um but only to then move a state over and get a job as a police officer there because yeah because they can and it's like there's just so there's so many problems like it just it's it's like uh right it's like an unsolvable thing it's just they're so deep and there's there's so many and it's just the whole the whole thing is just completely out of whack like it's you know what else you were saying about

about lewis was asking why do they do all this tricksy stuff and why are they so determined to catch all this stuff a lot of the states in america if the police sees stuff they get to keep that stuff whether it's money whether it's it's equipment or anything they they pinch if they think that you've got it illegally they will take it and they get to keep it yeah so if they stop you if you watch there was a really good daily show about this a few years back the oh my god you're right when and they had like uh these put little sort of um countryside police forces who'd like did a big drug bust or seized a load of stuff and they bought like themselves all these suvs and like yeah machine guns yeah and almost

like a tank and stuff right i mean if you look at the police yes these are riot police but they've brought out the national guard american police if when i was a kid the police yes these are riot police but they've brought out the national guard american police if when i was a kid the police in new york wore a blue shirt dark blue trousers they had their belt with the truncheon and the gun and odds and ends and but they had a regular old hat well yeah they're right just the old police they looked more like cops i think i feel like the police now look like fucking paramilitaries well they, they are. They started militarizing their police in the 90s under Clinton, I think, was the big sort of instigator for that after being lobbied to death by people who wanted to see this kind of stuff.

He extended the three strikes thing. He fucked up. The three strikes thing put an awful lot of people... Because your third strike could be something very minor minor and you're going to prison for fucking forever well i but i get they don't even have to be violent most of the people in prison are not there for violent no no but that's again it's a vital component to the privatization of all their prisons and stuff to you i don't think you should have a police system based on a shitty sport anyway that only america plays i mean it's like like there's so

many you're right sips there's so many like it is so overwhelmingly depressing to think that oh corporate lobbying and the corporate powers of the companies who run america and donald trump and religion and all this crap and brainwashing and poor poor education, and poor gun control, and poor people, and poor people who've never been properly emancipated. It's just so fucking, so many grained public massive problems that don't seem to be... How do you solve it? Well, I think you have to take... I mean, obviously, we're not going to fix it,

but I don't even know what the solution is. I think you have to take bold and brave steps, though. Like Obamacare was this idea originally to give free health care to everyone and actually start solving some of the mental health problems. Maybe fix the gun issues. Get some proper bans on automatic guns nationwide. I think they have to get these big swathes of legislation through one at a time over a course of 10 or 20 years. The problem is that they spend a lot of time getting this legislation in.

You know, like Obamacare took, you know, two terms. It's like his whole presidency almost. Yeah, to get in. And it's just been stripped away by Trump. Yeah, the next guy just goes, eh, we got rid of it. He went in with like this hate boner for Obamacare. But the thing you guys are forgetting is that Trump got elected. It's all very well saying that we need to do this and they need to do that.

But an awful lot of Americans apparently think this is fine. That's the thing you've got to consider. It's all very well saying this needs to change. But a lot of people are electing people that definitely don't want things to change. I mean, the thing is, like, I always think that change only happens when the next generation die off, you know, and so we've got to let the young people through.

You know, it doesn't help that the president's 80 years old, you know, and, you know, is an incredible racist arsehole. But they're all old. Joe Biden's fucking old. Whoever comes after him is going to be fucking old. For some reason, people only trust old people to run things. Why? You wouldn't trust an 80-year-old to fucking...

If you were on a ship, this is your ship, we're going to be sailing dangerous waters here. Or if you were on an aeroplane... Who are we going to put in charge? Let's find the oldest fucking... Who do you want as your pilot for an aeroplane do you want an 80 year old pilot

who do you want doing surgery on you an 80 year old man some guy with shaky hands comes out what is it heart bypass

today no no no he's just having his appendix out appendix don't do appendix I'm raising my heart

we're going to take his heart out and replace it with a peanut. Peanut, get a peanut, put it in there. No, sir, please. I'm a surgeon, goddammit. And if I'm going to put the peanut in this man's heart,

wherever it goes, that's what I'm going to do. Okay, sir, you're in charge. Why don't they get some young people in to run shit? Well, maybe they are doing it all behind the scenes, but're all corrupt i think i think it's because it's a hamstringed i think it's an establishment just like anything else that when they do get the young people in they'll be direct descendants of the nasty old people who will you know uphold their old shitty values because they've made so much money from it and they have to protect their dynasty and stuff like that it's all that you know who's gonna be you know who's

gonna be the the next trump president is gonna be his door well probably what's her fucking name well probably the vapid one the one that he wants to fuck i can't remember her name what a world what a world we live in isn't it amazing the thing i guarantee you i guarantee you a few years time when she's still hot and young they'll say isn't this wonderful a young female president is finally running this is fantastic and all the people who've been calling for people on president for years will be horrified because it's like yeah but not that one yeah but she will be president if she ran i guarantee you she could win a huge number of votes i feel like some old fucker and they're gonna look there and she's gonna be all glamorous and she's gonna be

she can she's very she speaks very well she i mean donald trump doesn't come out with all these big ideas he just he's just very good at appearing impenetrable and and and beating the other person in a debate if she just stands there and looks beautiful and says a few of the right things, she'll win hands down. Cause if it's her or Biden, who's up there, I think I should be the president or her who's like beautiful. And I believe that America must come together and I should be the president to do it. And I love everybody and you're all awesome. And look at me, I have a really good smile and all the rest of it hands down instantly in instantly it's i i know i know bits and pieces about it like from you know the news or or things that i've read and i'm i'm kind of interested in it as well but i i don't know enough about it to be an expert on it clearly um i i certainly have

like opinions on the whole thing or whatever well that's this whole podcast honestly the whole thing isn't coming for experts so crushingly depressing like i i feel like i never come away from a conversation like this feeling hopeful or good or or anything it's just such a no but you but you should do though like honestly because you've got to understand that if we have these opinions, the majority of people probably have them as well. Like, we're not alone in this feeling.

And I think that most people are good people and they understand that these issues are, you know, money in politics is corrupting. And, you know, we do need to... Well, yeah, you've got to drain the swamp, remember? You've seen how effective that's been. Well, that's... Look, I mean, that was... and and you know we do need to well yeah you've got to drain the swamp remember haven't you've seen how effective that's been well that's look i mean that was this was the we all knew this was going to happen with donald i don't know what people expected from donald trump you know i mean

i hope a lot of the people who voted for him have this what's called trump gret no they don't though this is the thing because because again and i think the way that things work in america is that a lot of the people um are sort of like in the place they need to be, you know, like in their, you know, middle, upper middle class or living in the suburbs or whatever. A lot of these things don't register with them. They're not things that they think about. They're not, you know, like these like riots and stuff aren't happening where they live. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot of people who will just be very sort of like,

ah, I'm fine and never think, never spare another thought to it sort of thing. You know what I mean? Like, and I think most of the people that voted for him, I think a lot of the people that vote for him are white and not wealthy. And they are furious because they're like we're not meant to be the poor ones uh the black people are meant to be the poor ones that that's a big factor i think yeah i think you'd be surprised that the kind of people people out protesting on the streets care i think you see people even like they're they're you know they're the people who affected they care

the people most people are on their side and also Even, although there is a lot of what I found. So I heard the first term I've heard about this was this week. Is it called virtue signaling? Oh, yeah. You've never heard of that before? No, I hadn't heard that term. But it kind of defines something which I was very aware of, which is that it's where people kind of falsely join,

hollowly join a sort of political movement in order to look good. And so there's this huge amount of it out there at the moment, whereas I'm sure some of it is genuine, but it feels like every single company is sending me an email saying, you know, we stand in solidarity with Black Lives Matter or whatever. Yeah, fuck the companies. Like, they always do that.

And it's hollow and meaningless, and it makes me throw up a bit in my mouth when I see it. But also I can see that, you know, some people like, you know, Jack Dorsey in charge of Twitter is making, you know, starting to put on Trump's tweets a little exclamation mark when they're bullshit, you know. And people at Facebook are people at facebook a lot of people are saying that censorship well i i'm afraid that you know that there is also

fact checking you know i feel like i feel like i feel like i feel like censorship and fact checking are not the same thing you know so i i think that it's a good thing that twitter has done this and i would hope i would, no, a lot of people don't. This is the thing. You're thinking a lot of people think that, but you're talking about people that you know and maybe talk to about this. And you think, oh, most people probably agree with me,

but you're wrong. A lot of people are dead against this. Are very, very firmly against it. They think it's censorship. They think it's wrong. How dare they censor the president of the United States? That's the opinion of a lot of people on twitter well no no but not just twitter because twitter twitter is news well he's made it news think how often you read the president's

tweet today that's the fucking headline now yeah so it is more than just just twitter it's huge because of him and the fact that his voice is so big and can change everything from political opinion to foreign policy to how other countries think about America, stock prices, all of it based on his fucking tweets, it does matter. I feel like if he's tweeting lies, if people are tweeting like the sky is red, get over it guys. And that is just wrong wrong right that is just a blatantly factually wrong and everyone hold on a second hold on hold on apart from all the people going outside right you're right it's blue with bits of white people i don't think people are entitled

to give opinions on facts that are wrong facts um do you know what i mean like so so here's the here's the one question because this is i actually had this this discussion with some mates of mine do you think it's it's it seems targeted uh toward it's like an anti-conservative thing because they've specifically targeted donald trump so it feels like it's a leftist plot which is how it's being spun to to silence conservative voices. Now, I made the point that he's more than just a conservative voice. He's the most powerful man in the world. And if he is openly lying on your platform, bear in mind, this is not freedom of speech.

This is a fucking private company and he's using their platform. So it's not censorship. They are within their rights to remove messages that are against their terms of service or to fact check stuff because it's their fucking business yeah so he's welcome to say whatever he wants it's the first amendment right i he could say whatever he wants no you can't say whatever you want you can't you can say whatever you want but you can't um well you have a you have a responsibility to not. You can, though. The First Amendment is very important. You're allowed to criticize the government without censorship.

I'm just saying, they have got these strange rules that make sense in some cases. It does protect certain things. There's this Lenny Bruce obscenity trial that happened, which is quite famous. That was very famous. This comedian had a very rude act, which today wouldn't be rude at all. He said cocksucker, which was verboten back then. And he was sort of, you know, went through these series of trials and eventually killed himself. Well, I think he died of a drug overdose. He had other problems, but it was certainly compounded

by this idea that his act was obscene. Whereas, of course, it's very much something which the First Amendment was supposed to protect. Anyway, this is beyond our knowledge base. I just want to say as well, that's not a term you hear very often anymore. Somebody calling somebody a cocksucker. It used to be very common. You used to hear it all the time. you used to hear it all the time like i don't know but i i it just just hearing it reminded me that it's just like this this forgotten forgotten insult from the past like like so many that have died it's essentially homophobic well yeah i would assume that's why well it was the it was the george

carlin's um seven words you can't say on television remember which were shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits tits you can't you can say tits now i think you couldn't say tits tits is like i i feel like especially in britain uh tits you can get away with you can say you know like i'm off my tits or yeah it depends on how you say it but i think i think you can just about get away with it. Do you reckon... Cocksucker never, though. I don't think you'd ever get away with saying cocksucker. If the newsreader accidentally said tits, like just the broadcast...

Well, again... Tits! They're on everybody's mind. No, I mean... We're going to do a special undercover look at tits on tonight's episode. Obviously. I'm saying, saying like you know if peter k said it or something you know you on the one show you're on the one show and you drop a tits yeah he probably just about get away with it there might be like a bit of backlash i don't know

tits has become tips tits is the lightest one of all time now also if you're in australia you can call people a cunt anyway. Not on the news. No. Look at this cunt. We've got an interview with this cunt. Let's roll the tape. Roll the bloody tape. Right, you cunt.

Exactly. It's just like a friend. It's like saying mate. It's good. It's a good word. Jeez. Anyway, let's get off this topic. It's been a bit of a stressful one.

It's a little bit. It's interesting. It is so relevant to what's happening right now. I think there is some light in the darkness. I think a lot of people are very loving and positive, and there's been fantastic stories of support and care. Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, coronavirus has brought us... Hopefully, this will create lasting change.

Hopefully, this will make people... I hope we can look back at it as a watershed moment. I think we're going to see change in terms of how business is done. I think we're going to see change in how people are treated. And I think inequality is going to have to be addressed. And I think there's... Hopefully, change will come out of it. And hopefully, the political elite will realise

that it's their responsibility to be, I don't know, good people. And, you know, do the right thing. Well spoken, sir. Not be the evil guy. Not be the evil dictator. Be someone who is... I hope that works. ...treats people the way that they deserve to be treated,

which is with love and support and care and not knocking their windows, sniffing weed, and then tearing their seats open to find the meth that they had stashed there. That's not a loving gesture at all. Let's sort it out. Anyway, thank you for listening, everyone. And be good to each other. I know know you guys are we're preaching the converted here

it's just weird to get it off our chests i guess go and go tidy your room yeah go and go and tidy up your room and clear your shed i think think about what you've done check that thing about what you've done we're not mad we're're disappointed. Oh, my God. Thanks for listening. I think Flax might have been bombed by the CIA again. Maybe. Possibly his internet is busted. He's been very, very quiet. I think his Discord is crashing.

It's rare that I actually get to talk for more than five minutes at a time. Do you like that? It's kind of like we're like a basketball doubles. I let you get the slam dunk, even though I could have gone in there and easily done it myself. You know, like I could have probably done like a 360 in the air and slam dunk. Yeah, you set me up for the layup and it was just all good. All three points all the way, baby.

Yeah. If you're interested in all of this uh this stuff like uh the the basketball black lives matter movement and uh everything that's going on in the news and stuff uh obviously go read up about it on uh places where uh that have uh good information and not uh opinion pieces like we've just given you there's there's plenty of information out there uh it's all very interesting as well to read and uh there's there's definitely causes that you can support as well if you want to uh don't take it from three basement dwelling nerds who read about it from time to time privileged yes elderly white guys that goes without saying in a lot of cases but um but yeah it's always important to

to sort of read more than we do about stuff uh and and inform yourself not too much because reading reading the news can damage your mental health and a lot of it is negative and a lot of it is is what they want money news that they want money all of the corporate all the news media is all owned by rich people who want money and they want to suck you in and addict you to their bad stuff and scare you. So remember that as well when you read the news. You've got to take it with a pinch of salt and stay off angry Reddit pages and angry Twitter. Man.

Okay, quickly. Find a community. Listen, listen, listen. Two minutes, okay? Two minutes so we can leave on a light note, okay? And I mean it when I say a lighter note. Okay, you guys were talking about YouTube and the stuff that's in your YouTube recommended or whatever.

Oh, yeah. I went down a rabbit hole recently. Don't ask me how or why, but I started watching these fucking creepy ass unexplained, top five unexplained photo um videos have you ever seen these things no they sense okay so there's like like to give you an example okay a couple of guys in the 80s go to the grand canyon and they're out there by themselves there's like six of them or whatever uh it was like for a bachelor party or something they're

just having a fun time you know having a couple of beers and just like like uh admiring the grand canyon and taking a couple of pictures and stuff you know just normal stuff the guys do all right so uh they take a picture of one of their friends like you know doing like the standing at the edge of the grand canyon sort of thing and he's smiling and everybody's having a good time and they're all like slapping each other on the ass and saying good hustle and stuff and then they and then they leave right and they're like all right well let's go right uh so they get their pictures developed uh and and and they you know all get together to look at these pictures of like the fun time they

had and stuff and they look at the picture of the guy who was like standing right near the edge of the canyon and they notice that there's just some fucking dude that they've never seen before standing in a bush like right behind him. And he looks creepy as fuck. Like he looks like Satan or something. He's got a hood on. So sometimes it's just a picture that's been taken at an odd time or angle. Of course. Yeah, yeah.

But they did like an enhanced you know like they've gone through it and looked at it and they've said it's definitely a person the photo has not been altered or anything and it's just like what the fuck like that wouldn't that make you feel so fucking uneasy like just to think like what the hell like who is that guy he wasn't with us like who is he why is he even there He wasn't with us. Like, who is he? Why is he even there? Like, and there's all these theories about, like, he was, you know, he was probably trying to kill himself by jumping off the Grand Canyon. And then he heard, like, these six guys come by with a party and thought better of it and hid in the bush.

Or, like, there's all these different theories. And you just think, oh, fuck, that's so weird. And that's, I think that's a tame one. Like there's some really fucking creepy ones. Like, you know, pictures of like, you know, a family staying in a hunting cabin over the weekend. And like a kid takes a picture of like his dad sitting in a recliner or whatever. And, you know, they're going about their business. And then they get home and they look at the picture.

And there's like some fucking dude just standing in the window like behind and nobody even noticed he's just like out in the fucking backyard it's like what the fuck like that it just creeps me well my skin is like crawling even just thinking about it well it's just it's so fucking creepy i don't know how like you feel good about that you know like you just think that like well don't know. I would just be stressed constantly if I got home and looked at my holiday snaps and I found that. I feel like there were like – Oh, my God. There was like a creepy guy in every single picture. Yeah, yeah.

I feel like there was like some supernatural force conspiring against me or something. Maybe just like a really wholesome old granddad, like holding an ice cream. Oh, man. But it would be really weird. Like a smiling granddad just smiling really happy yeah in every picture yeah so like so somehow so basically if you how did he get into every single one if you were shit scared of unsolved mysteries as a kid like i was and you're looking to somehow relive some of that pants shittingly scared scaredness or whatever then go look up some of these videos on men they're

they're so fucking creepy but again it's somehow more ish as well like you just like can't stop watching them like i need to stop watching them honestly i'm just gonna creep myself right the fuck out you can't you can't stop though because that's how youtube works you should keep recommending them until there's no more there's no more but they never stop they're never gonna stop those creepy ones. So, yeah. So, there you go. Sorry for creeping you out right at the end of the podcast.

But thanks for listening. And we'll be back next week for some more podcasting. Yes? Yes. Yeah, that sounds great. We lost Flax. He's gone. I think he's just lost the internet.

So, I'm sure he says bye too. We'll see you next week. All right. Thanks, everybody. Love you lots. Bye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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