Triforce! - Triforce! #136 - Hopped Up on Huel

Episode Date: July 29, 2020

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It's coming in for a... We have touchdown. Welcome to the podcast everybody it's another one it's another one it's another one it's got to be like episode 130s 50s whatever fun yeah it's a lot of numbers we've just done so many numbers we've just been doing this for years. Four years. We do it in our sleep. Four years.

We just do this in our sleep at this point. 2016 is when we started, apparently. Oh, my God. That's a long time. That's the longest I've ever done anything, I think. And other than, like, be married and have kids. I've been tempted to give up on that stuff. Definitely get less tweets about it.

I get hardly any tweets about me being married and no yeah loads about triforce yeah same it's just always like hey hey i was listening to triforce here and it's always it's like a picture of some nice outdoor place or whatever and that's that's about all i get these days oh nothing else we asked for that yeah we did we asked for it yeah so it's it we did require you got is that oh you'd be positive about it yeah yeah no i wasn't complaining about it i was just pointing out that that's all i get i like it we've got a someone said that they was we did like 19 in a row without a break and it was like the longest streak that's a that's a streak yeah yeah

i didn't even realize you know i think it think it was the lockdown. The lockdown streak. Yeah, of course. I've just been using Twitter a lot less recently as well. Just because, like, I don't know. I go through phases with Twitter. Sometimes I'm like, yeah, it's great. And I use it a lot. And then other times I'm like, oh, it's miserable. I don't want to read anything on it.

Like, I go out of my way to avoid it and stuff. Like, I don't know. I think it's just like the peaks and troughs you have mentally just in general it's not a healthy place social media is a is a good one to get in there when you're feeling down yeah off it that's yeah absolutely yeah it's not uh although the account we rate dogs is uh is a good cheer up it's just pictures you have to be selective, yeah, over who you follow. I mean, I'd be happy just following lots of accounts, like remember horse e-books and just funny accounts.

Have you seen Riker Googling? That's a good one. It's just questions that Commander Riker would type into Google. That sounds great. Yeah, that sounds great. I think that's where Twitter really shines. There's some really funny stuff on there. I'm sick of having people just constantly banging on about issues and drama and shit like that.

You know what I mean? Like when your timeline is just full of it, you just think, man, there's just more to life. It's overload. Yeah, it's just too much. Yeah. So I was watching some videos this week of uh basic training for for the the united states marine corps oh nice oh shit i like this this is what you've this is this is lewis lewis is so excited right now he's like he was in the cadets and everything so he's

everything you say is gonna be like oh we had to do that in the cadets so it's one of the hardest things you could do isn't it like being the cadets yeah i know being a fat video game playing nerd and then going through fucking basic training and becoming uh becoming a killing machine well yeah i mean that's step one they all turn up and they all look like you've gone to any college or even high school and just rounded up a bunch of lads just been like you boys are in the army now move out get on that bus sit on that seat that it's so regimented and everything they do they're told what to do and if they don't do it they get screamed at and they have to shout all

the time sorry sir i can't hear shouting sorry they're like screaming constantly if they call them sir and they should be calling them sart, which is short for sergeant, then they get a yelling at. And it's stuff like the moment they turn up, the guys that are like the welcoming committee, if you like, obviously they've had to do this hundreds of times, constant influx of new recruits and everything. So they all come in and they brought all this shit with them that they can't have with them.

And they put it all out on a table and the guy goes around and tells them what's contraband and he sweeps that onto the floor and everything else they put in a bag and then they have to put the bag on he's like you're gonna open that draw string bag you're gonna put those items in the bag you're gonna close up the draw string on that bag you're gonna wear rambo style across your chest then you would turn to your left and take two steps do you understand it's like jesus just why do we need to shout each other right now like just take everything out and put it out. The stuff that is contraband, we're going to get rid of.

Everything else, just put it in your bag and follow me when you're ready, please. But no, right from the get-go, there's dehumanizing screaming at them. Because, of course, if you shout, Johnson, charge that bunker, you don't want them to go, well, you know, what do you mean, like, alone? Or should I take a friend? You know, you just want them to do it. So it's an interesting experiment. Can I played fortnight on my switch we should build a wooden fort we need the ladder we need to go higher sir let me build some stairs and then i'll build some more stairs and some more

stairs and then we'll shoot down at him robert you will not build stairs. Do you reckon this stuff works with, I mean, it is breaking them down psychologically, which is not a positive thing. But do you reckon it would work with, you know, some uncooperative pets or kids, you know? You will put your shoes on. They try to do it all the time, don't they? They send, there's like a kid's boot camp

for kids that are like not behaving well or whatever. I don't they? There's like they send there's like a kid's boot camp for kids that are like not not behaving well or whatever. I don't know if there's a pet one. I'm sure there's probably a pet one. And then there's definitely the boot camp for overweight people. Right. They want to they go to those those they're like retreats. Right. But it's always an ex drill sergeant that just drills them to death.

And it's it's it's located as far as possible from every other source of food. Fast food joint in town. I worry that yelling at people is not really going to change them unless you're specifically trying to make them killers. Yeah. Like it works in the army. You gotta, yeah, I don't know. It doesn't mean it works for fat people.

No, I guess they feel like maybe on some people it works. I think if you take a healthy, happy teenager and break him down psychologically, I think that's damaging. But I think if you take someone who's already probably very unhappy with their body and wants to change and just try and... Berate them and scream at them.

I feel like they've already had that and you need to do a different approach because I've seen in Full Metal Jacket Lawrence the guy I'm gonna call you Garbapow what is that? What the fuck is that?

A jelly donut? Are you allowed jelly donuts, Garbapow? He's gonna walk around with his pants around his ankles sucking his thumb or like paying for it you gotta eat a donut while everybody's doing push-ups and everything yeah it's like the big it's like the huge psych breaker isn't it there's like i have tried to change private pile but i have failed that means all of you have failed too yeah it's messed up that guy was a real drill sergeant as well he was he's actually on the army yeah yeah he was on set to um to advise who like you know

as like in in like a like a sort of like official like i've been a drill sergeant this is what would happen sort of thing yeah yeah and then um i think when i think as he was like advising was like yeah he saw that he was really good he was like advising was like yeah he saw that he was really good he was like but you know he played a drill instructor in the boys from c company yeah that's right yeah which is like a vietnamese he was already an actor but i guess they got him in as an advisor and i can i mean he was great but some other guy got that role and then kubrick turned around i was like how does that, you're fired. I think you've got to be I mean, he was obviously, Kubrick was obviously

just had no qualms. I mean, that's, I don't think I could bring myself to kick out the actual actor for the advisory. You don't know what he was like. What if he was like, what is that? What on earth is that? A jelly donut? Are you allowed jelly donuts, Private

Pyle? I do not believe that you are, sir. I shall take the jelly donut for you. Everybody do push-ups. These ones are on Pyle. He's the one. And they were like, there must be a better actor. That's the British Army version. You've got a British guy.

That is what it's like. It does, strangely still, the British Army attract the sort of people who talk a little bit like that. I think that's a family thing, isn't it? Don think a lot of the reason is like a family different approach i think you know they do like that um it's like almost like a like a like a class thing brought into it as well you know like it's like like the the gentleman uh officer or whatever and but like instead of screaming at you yeah he has to like he has to like outwit you well they've got like they've got like staff sergeants and sergeants in the british army that also scream at people when they're marching and stuff like that and the classic absolutely but then when

they go to see the officer like right you chaps have really let the side down you're really letting the side they're all like boris johnson but in camo and they were so like very very disappointed with your performance here johnson so So tidy up your billet. And I don't want to see your bloody face again. You understand me, you horrible little oink? That's right. Get him out of my sight. It's like, yes, Field Marshal, or whoever, you know.

Yes, Field Marshal. Oh, man. It is. I have noticed it. But then again, you get the occasional, so beyond a certain rank, it is just, I'm Ross Kemp. I'm in the army. I'm'm really tough don't fuck with me oh fucking stick my boot so far up your ass you mean up up to like uh

off until you get to officers when they all seem to be posh it flips doesn't it yeah that's staff sergeant you know speaking of uh ross kemp i've been watching extras which i've never watched before oh great, great series. Yeah, yeah. It's been really, really good. I'm just at the Christmas special, like the last episode, I guess. Or was there two Christmas specials? I don't know.

But the Ross Kemp episode was pretty funny. I like how you think you know these people. And I know it's fictional. just you you know you think you know these people and like i know it's fictional but it's just a funny take on like you know how different people are behind the scenes to you know yeah how they portray themselves like in in films or tv shows or whatever is like uh talking about women's clothes just yeah yeah it's weird it's so it's so uncomfortable and the daniel radcliffe episode was great it's clever though because you, because you could imagine some celebrities, actors, just being so different from what you expect.

And I think that's the point, isn't it? Yeah. Just to make you realize that. It's an extreme example. But, yeah, I think it's a great show. I like it. Is it that series where the Scottish woman, I can i can't remember her name the actor the actor's name maggie she's uh she plays uh agatha raisin and she's in catastrophe she's in a bunch of stuff i can't remember she's

like a sad scottish orphan isn't she a woman yeah god yes depressing she's really good though but there was that episode because she was like also an actor wasn't she with ricky and they were sort of extras together and a lot of things yeah and the one where she goes on a date with that guy and it's going really nicely and she's really happy and at the end he's having sex with her and she's just like lying there all happy and he ruins the entire date he says uh put some minge around at love it's like fucking a dead horse she goes oh sorry it's just like the most unpleasant sentence yeah yeah that he could put and that's that is that is what ricky gervais does is build up a situation and then he's able to come up with the most vile sentence that just completely destroys any sense of of joy yeah i think i wonder if you know a lot of these comedians

the reason they can do that is because that's what they're secretly thinking yeah I mean like they're thinking these things and they get a character to say it so it's like this is something that you could never fucking say I mean the like the office extras these are all like the the people in them and then the and the attitudes and the personalities all have to be loosely related to like real life experiences right like it's yeah I think it'd be hard to just conjure this stuff up out of nowhere so like it's kind of funny to think that maybe he's known people or maybe he himself is like uh how he portrays himself in some ways or maybe that's how he thinks he is or like seen by other people or something like it's it's like yeah these

it's it's a classic example of larry dav though. You know, you go through a situation, you know, and then you just, you think, well, that situation just happened and you think, fuck, imagine how this could be worse. I don't know, like even Curb Your Enthusiasm, I'm not actively cringing while I'm watching it, even though there's probably parts where you're meant to or whatever. I think the reason for that is that the reactions feel more normal. Like, I know it is scripted, but it's not as heavily scripted. Yeah. As I think some shows.

I don't know. I just find like I was watching like the British Office recently and extras. And there are moments where I'm in actual pain from cringing. Like, you know, it's really some parts are just like horrible. But don't you find that in Curb, in Curb when Larry does something awful, people call him out on it. So it doesn't feel as cringy

because instead what you're seeing is like either you're with him because you're like, he's right here. And he always stands up and just like, there's no, none of that false stuff you get in comedy where you just say, just tell them. No, yeah. Just say, and this situation will go away. He'll just say just tell them no just say and this situation

will go away he'll just say it i think partly it comes down to like british culture in a way too because there's definitely a passive element you know if somebody was saying something that was like really like cringeworthy or upsetting or whatever there might not be an immediate reaction you know like whereas in the states you'd be like what are you talking the fuck are you talking like you know they go crazy but right yeah so it doesn't it doesn't linger the cringe in the uk comedy it builds up to a point where i can't take it and i have to stop watching same it's like it's really it's it's pretty rough but it's it's clever too it's it's funny but uh yeah it's just it there's just definitely contrast between like uh like any other show I've seen and those ones specifically. Man, there's definitely some moments where you're just like, it's just the worst.

You can't take it. It's weird like how I've been watching a lot of other stuff and you don't get those kind of moments in like Sunny. You don't get those kind of cringe comedy no there's like a lot of clearly doing things that are absolutely awful yeah um i think it's there's the the comedy the comedy elements to it there's there's a lot of like i don't know like there's like a lot of slapstick thrown in there too there's there it lightens it up a little bit i guess you know what i mean like i think i think with especially stuff that ricky gervais does like everything is so sort of um like just just dreary you know like they're always in

these like right they're always in these shitty places that just look like guard like just these really like garbagey looking british places and the people the people are always kind of like they're trapped as well they're trapped in them and they're also like so horror struck all the time on their face they are very aware that this is like a horrible situation that they're now trapped in yeah, it's

I wanted your opinion on something Lewis I wanted your opinion on something, this is just to change the subject but I just had a reminder, I have some stuff arriving today and I want your opinion on it because I know that you like to read stuff about things. I can't think of a better way. God, I love to read stuff about things. God, he loves reading stuff about things.

I'm just setting you up there. So it's called Huel. You've heard of Huel? Oh no. And I thought, you know what? I've been eating trash on lockdown. Why don't I just have some kind of boring vegan shake or whatever and i'll replace eating all my trash in the mornings and the afternoons with that so your thoughts i'm not really a fan of swapping out food for processed powder uh made in a factory i'm i'm a fan of like eating vegetables fresh food green things like uh whole whole grains that's a surprisingly reasonable take from you yeah i'm a fan of eating things that grew in the ground yeah and then you can what

if it grew in the ground and then you turned it into a powder though i think that in some cases when people have a terrible diet and don't get enough of their certain things for some reason like even as a vegan you know i have to have b12 supplementation right because i don't eat any because because we as b12 comes from um sources that you could only get in meat usually and we need that in our body do we we do interesting almost like we were designed to eat animals it's a strange one yeah it's a strange one um we were though i mean i know that's my point we were i was being facetious we've we've evolved past needing to eat them on the volume that we do eat them i had chicken wings last night i ain't interested in evolving i'm happy to be if there's a list i love

how proud you are about this the chimpanzee well it's because you guys are so fucking proud of your vegetarian and veganism bang on about it constantly you've got to have one voice of reason you asked him about it i did but then he started lecturing me about what i was and even worse you're asking about some fucking powder that's not even anything to do with anything so what the fuck whoa look it's it's okay look i'm i'm i'm look i i want people to know that you know this is a thing that they need to do if they're gonna decide to eat healthily um i'm just trying this out eating me eating me a month processed meat gives you it's really bad at eating too much meat and fish. I just imagine Flats. I'm just trying it out.

He's got like a ring of like congealed powder around his mouth. I'm just trying this out. What does he want to play? I'm replacing Cheeto dust fingers with Huel dust fingers. He's got like Huel stains all over his shirt. You know in the movies when they show uh when they show a coke fiend they're always rubbing their teeth with it that'll be me tomorrow get some you on the oh yeah that's the you baby yeah i think it's um it's like it's like fat um what's it called uh

weight watchers you know you have a shake for lunch yeah shake for dinner and that's how you you go and it's it's it's it's it's like we said earlier you know it's it, you have a shake for lunch, a shake for dinner, and that's how you go. And it's like we said earlier, you know, it's a replacement for people's habits. And that's what the army is too, right? It changes people's. And if they go back to their daily meal of three McDonald's a day or whatever they were eating before, then it's not going to – actually, I don't even think that's that bad. What, three McDonald's a day? What, modern-day McDonald's? No, I think that's that bad well three mcdonald's a day what modern day mcdonald's probably fairly balanced i think the problem is people i don't know eating you know 1970s mcdonald's three times a day would have been pretty rough though i don't know i think i think

there's various there's various i'm sure there's lots of problems with eating it's also mcdonald's if you depends on which country you go to the big drinks in america are bigger than any drink you can buy over here yeah you ever seen sonic sonic is a place in america i don't know what they if they do burgers there or whatever but i remember one time i was out in la and my friend turned up and he'd bought he'd had he'd had a meal at sonic and he was just finishing the drink americans love to finish the drink in the car that's why their cup holders are so huge so he's got his drink in his car and he's driving along sipping on his Sonic drink and he comes home and he's barely halfway through it. This thing was huge. It looked like a piece of industrial equipment. This container.

Yeah, like a vat. It was so big. And I'm like, they don't do that in the UK. Like the largest anything that you can get over here. The large fries over here is like their small fries. So I think it is also country based depending on whether you want to eat three McDonald's a day. You eat three McDonald's a day in Americaica with the drinks you're gonna die at 42 guaranteed yeah it's a it's an odd one i think like i think i think i think one of the biggest problems is uh soda like drink drinking oh it's terrible soda holy fuck yeah like especially the older you get as well like i think if i drank it now regularly i'd be dead like it's it's it's a lot

isn't it it's a lot of sugar much like it's really overpowering like you just can't i don't know you're not designed to sugar to handle in a healthy yogurt though and as much sugar in a healthy glass of orange juice or apple juice is even worse i don't drink any of those either i could drink a glass of orange juice and not be on my ass. We've talked about how bad these things are, but there's other problems too. Anyway, Huel, I think Dave Gorman referred to it as hipster gruel. Yeah, sure. Which I can kind of understand.

It is like an interesting idea. And it's one of these, I like the idea of it. It feels like moon food. Do you know what I mean? Like space station food. And you know what? It comes with a free t-shirt, Lewis. and it's one of these i like the idea of it it feels like moon food do you mean like space station yeah like and you know what it comes with it comes with a free t-shirt lewis wow t-shirt really yeah that says huel and i i know that i would i'm never gonna wear it outside the house because i wouldn't want people to think that i was excited to be consuming huel part of

the huel family the hueluel Nation. It's vegan. It's probably got a lot of better stuff in it than you might just eat. They should try to spice it up. Why not have a gamer version called G-Huel and stuff like that? Oh my god. They could really go

places with this. I'll give an example of what I had this morning because I was in a hurry this morning to do the podcast. I had to get the fucking kids to try to their room. So you get the powder right and you tap it out onto the toilet seat and then you use a credit card. And then snort it all up.

Yeah. Okay. I'll try. Right. Anyway, I'm starting tomorrow. So I'll let you guys know how it feels by next week. Right. What is it like milkshakes? Is it milk? We'll find feels by next week. Right. What is it? Like milkshakes?

Is it milkshake? We'll find out. We'll find out. I'll reveal all. So it's just some slop that you stir up and then you just eat it like porridge or whatever. That's right. It's like made out of. Why not just get some fresh vegetables and make some salads and stuff?

All right. Here's one reason. That would taste way better, I'm sure. Here's one reason. And probably cheaper, too. Here's one reason. Fresh veg is so fucking, I'm sure. Here's one reason. And probably cheaper, too. Here's one reason. Fresh veg is so fucking cheap. Do you want the reason?

Not really. I can just put a blam in the cup, water, shake, done. Yeah. Done. I'm a lazy fucker. If I have to make a fucking salad twice a day. Get some carrots and some hummus. I can't be bothered.

Done. Every day? You can get them pre-cut. I don't want pre-cut carrots. That's super lazy. I just can't be bothered. every day you can get them pre-cut i don't want pre-cut carrots it's super lazy i just can't be bothered you're gonna think about this up a pouch of of 15 minutes making a salad 15 minutes making a salad you don't even need to make a whole salad that's what i'm saying fuck off i already cook once a day for four people i ain't cooking three times a day i can't be asked no well this is fair enough this is where this is where we become like the people on the movie wally you know just eating some fucking slop and drinking

soda all the time do you cook three times lose all of our bone density and stuff no but you cook three times a day no but you don't do you make a meal three times no you don't need to have three gigantic fucking meals every day you could just eat a little at all i've got the heel baby well i'm just saying you don't have to necessarily have the heel you can there's lots of little snacks that you can have in between that will are probably going to be way better for you uh if if health is what you're worried about have you ever been hungry and thought oh i could murder a carrot yes and that's really you thought that's filled me. I don't have any junk. Filled me right up. We don't have junk in the house.

So when I go to get a snack, it's usually just like carrots or some shit that's in the fridge already. I've been eating those long red peppers. You just slice them down the middle, take the little bit of seeds out, and that's a really delicious snack. Oh, fuck off. That's not. That's not a delicious snack. I had a banana for breakfast. I had a little bit of uh i'd have to have more than a whole grain steel steel cut porridge with a little bit of a couple of blueberries in it that's that's gonna last me

till like three in the afternoon i'm not gonna bother having lunch but i might have like a pepper in the afternoon and then come dinner i'll fry up some vegetables in like a stir fry or i might i might like oven cook some some stuff uh some like courgettes or something and in a whole combo of stuff it's really easy come up shove them in the oven what meals are you making a day like what are you making like a cooked breakfast and then what are you having for lunch you're like you what like i have toast for lunch normally like so normally for breakfast i i either have a banana or nothing right or i'll sometimes have a bagel like very occasionally sure yeah but i normally just skip breakfast and then for lunch well that's a that's bad as well you shouldn't skip breakfast it's uh like they do say it's the most important meal but it is you need to you need to have some food in

you after not eating or doing anything for like 12 hours but i'm not hungry so why would i eat i can't eat no exactly and don't eat when you're not hungry there's no point forced yourself to have a meal like that's the bad i think you should have something in the morning though even if you don't feel hungry you should have something yeah i think that's a super i don't want to eat when i'm not hungry i eat when i'm hungry why would i eat otherwise you're hungry because i think the the problem is if you leave it and leave it and leave it, when you do come to eat, and this is the trap that a lot of people fall into, when you finally do come to eat because you're hungry,

you eat way more than you should because you're fucking starving because you've left it too long. If you don't eat in the morning after you've slept and everything, your body's gone for like 15 hours without any food. So when you do get to lunch or whatever, all of a sudden you're eating like three lunches worth because you're so hungry that's why yeah i mean for instance we're all around the house now so yesterday i had a salami sandwich it was delicious right day before that

i had a pasty right day before that fish finger sandwich we all had that right and then i won't be anything such family food until like seven okay i'm i'm the biggest hipster and you're the one taking huell here it's like really have you tried naked bars flax they're really good yeah i love them yeah they're really good they're they're nice they're nice they're expensive they're a good snack also here's the other problem you guys forget right if i get anything like that and put it in the cupboard it's gone in two days. The kids fucking eat it all. Well, I see.

Better they eat that than like others junk though. I agree. They're going to come into you and be like, Daddy, there's no food in the cupboard. And then like nose and mouth surrounded by like white. Dad, we're at a hill again. Who's been at my hill? God damn it.

Oh man. There were ten portions of Huel yesterday, and now I see nine. Get down and give me twenty! Which one of you powdery little shits hate my goddamn Huel? Do ten laps of the garden! Honey, is the Huel ready yet? No, dear! This Huel consistency isensitency is way off

Way off I come home after a day of work And I expect a nice cold glass of Huel On the table You can't even do that I've been working at the stapler factory all day Where's my Huel I don't ask for much honey

But I want to read my paper Sit at my table And eat my goddamn yule fucking yule oh shit oh boy we're doomed man we're like fuck you gotta lose so much hope for the human race when like we can't people just can't even eat right like you know what i mean it's crazy fuck how the hell are we ever going to make it properly into space at this rate like we're never going to right wow it's hopeless we've already got the food sorted so we just need to get the rest of it sorted now we're just gonna flounder around here and like we're just gonna get we're gonna get dumber and dumber

like as as the generations progress and that's it it. No space for us. The dream is lost. We don't go into space, but we spent all our budget on you. We're trying to research some new hot new flavors for the Huel. We thought you said Huel. I just like the idea of it being all corporate instead and supported by advertising like Formula One.

I think they should get those rockets and just slap ads all over them you know yeah and just i don't know just be have a corporate it would be totally unseemly if the first fucking man on mars had a fucking coke logo on his arm and he was like i come here for the planet earth and the united states of america and human beings everywhere and also coca-cola and fuel and uh it would suck no no they wouldn't say that they would say it and i am now gonna drink a nice cold delicious coke because it's so nourishing and healthy for me i've been playing death stranding recently. Monster energy drink. Yeah, and the future is just... How much does that pop out at you? Monster energy drinks and these fucking bugs that everybody eats. That's it.

That's all you ever see anybody eat. It's just those bugs. I've never seen product placement like that in a game. It's really weird, isn't it? But it looks great, though. Like, the graphics and stuff are fucking awesome. Don't you find... Like, I was playing that, I think, last last week i played it in the mornings a few times it what drives me crazy

about that game is it just when you're starting to think okay i'm gonna go and do a mission now there comes the ludicrously named die hardman yeah sam sam don't forget your bb can also detect bts thanks to your dooms blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and you're like trying to run up a hill it's like can you shut the fuck up and let me play the game it's the first the first three or four hours of the game is Die Hardman or Deadman or Hartman telling you what you're meant to be doing and that whole new piece of shit you gotta do yeah the whole first zone is a big tutorial though but like but it's such a big tutorial yeah and there's lots of just when i thought it was over just when i thought it was over now i've got to soothe my bb oh i i like bb i didn't like bb at first i thought bb was very creepy at first but i've learned to love bb now he's great i like everyone every once in a while. But the storyline behind the BBs and the fact that he says these things sometimes malfunction

and when it does, we just got to incinerate it. And he's like, do we have to? I'm like, what do you mean? Do we have to? It's a human being for Christ's sake. Like it's, it's terrible.

And it goes against it. Like when they're talking about how precious life is and everybody's dying and they've got this baby that they took from a brain dead mother and they stuck it in a bottle and after a year they incinerate them i'm like what is going on it's not a baby it's not a human being because it hasn't been born yet it's a fetus it's awful i'm sorry but that is awful when you when you put your finger on the

glass though he puts his finger on the glasses i mean i say he i mean it could be a she but i just thought it was the worst thing and and the fact you then got to look after them i was like for fuck's sake like i've already got kids i've had to do this it's uh it's such a dude in a fucking video game it's such an odd thing it's such an odd thing stumbling around in a game or making a mistake and then one of the downsides of making a big mistake in that game is to have to listen to an infant crying whilst like all this stuff's going so i'm having a massive fight with like these mules and they're throwing like spears at me and all in the background

this fucking little baby is just crying the whole time just unbelievable like you're more stressed out about the baby crying you're like i'm trying to do some brutal takedowns on these guys i'm punching them and everything and the whole time like fuck i just gotta like rock this baby i gotta i gotta shut up it's so strange i feel like a lot of a lot of the lore that they add in some of it just seems so bizarre it feels to me like they had a bunch of people sitting around and they were all just pitching ideas and they said yes to all of them yeah just like what if you have a rope right but we'll call it a strand and in this strand we'll have like like your blood is in that rope oh yeah awesome put that in okay so the player is walking up some rocks and then he will get attacked by a ghost and if he gets attacked too much by a ghost

that's when we send in the octopus what What? All right. Okay, sure. And if you hold your breath, they can't detect you. But if you have a baby on your chest, and they're just like, baby, yeah, yeah, I'll get there, don't worry. And it goes like, with a thing. And then it like sees them and there's like tentacles and goop. And then if you get caught in a puddle, you can kind of wade your way out. I was just like, this is just too many layers. It sounds crazy but think about any any game really and imagine the conversations people

must have to to design and develop these games like in the end right like and they go through iterations too i mean death stranding is is what's come out the other end but imagine the shit that they would have come up with in between that would have been cut oh my god changed or whatever you know what i mean cutting room floor for death stranding must just be a mess that i bet well i i don't know i don't think as someone who has consumed some anime that it's all that weird i know but still it's there still must be an a big process behind it's kind of like par for the course in terms of japanese like style in terms of anime and stuff i mean okay that it is like hideo kojima was basically like okay i really like the idea that your hands are symmetrical but they're not they

don't but they're not the same so that's called like that that's called chiral symmetry um and it's this thing that you only really ever see in chemistry because a lot of um things are joined to i think if i if i was like a developer though and somebody said that to me i would just be i was interested in more of the chiral is that a real thing yeah so chirality is this thing where um when you have four different connections to a atom um so four four atoms are connected to another atom if you have two of them be swapped they will both be different and this is a common thing in chemistry where certain drugs like thalidomide is a good example one chiral isomer is a very very good drug for morning sickness the other one causes birth defects yeah because phalidomide uh made what they well i mean it's not not nice they

used to call them flipper babies but they um they yeah the defects were like extremely physical it was a horrible thing in the in the 80s and it happened yeah maybe even earlier than that maybe 70s or 60s but it was it was this problematic um situation and it was caused by when they manufactured it they didn't have a easy way to separate out the chiral isomers because it's the same molecule right you know when you look at a hand it's the same as another hand but they're clearly different and they interact differently in body. And so... Do you think that maybe they didn't take in the true value of pi when they were doing x over y equals z3 to the power of 25?

When they were trying to... They shouldn't have eaten pi at all. They should have been using Huel. So anyway, I've been playing Death Stranding all week. And I think I also played a little bit of a game called Control, which is another console. I feel like a console gamer right now. I feel like every- Wait, you're not playing Death Stranding on PC?

I'm playing it on PC, but I'm playing, it's a console game, effectively. It feels very console. You have to hold down a button to kind of act. Because when you're playing the controller, you've only got five keys right or whatever how many you've got so a lot of the time things are bound to the same control or you have to hold down the same button that's that's all right though you get used to it i mean it's like get used to it but it feels very sluggish playing hitman 2 recently and it's a bit like that too there's a lot of like hold down you have to hold down g and stuff like that it's all right yeah there's a lot of waitress that kind of stuff there's a lot of the gameplay is quite third person as well it's quite sluggish because

they don't do console first person shooters as slickly as they as they as they do that they like the third person i know i think i think death stranding is fucking awesome i love everything about it and it's really good control's great's great. And you're in this like federal bureau of control. The idea is it's a little bit like SCP, where you've got this sort of government agency that shuts down weird artifacts. Like, oh, there's a phone that calls the weird dimension with weird pyramid people in it, you know, stuff like that.

And there's a gun that has its own mind or whatever so it's kind of like warehouse 13 or something like this anyway it's quite good but but i automatically got into it straight away whereas with death stranding i feel like you have to it takes time to not only figure out what the fuck's going on and who all the people are and it's got a lot of confusion and also like just the names of the cities. They're all called like North Mountain, not city. South Mountain, not city. West Mountain, not city. Distribution Center above North Mountain, not city.

That's the name of the town that people live in. It's like the fuck are you doing? You don't even remember the town names. You remember the face of the person who is like the the the town coordinator or whatever that you know yeah when you look at cargo you never look at the name you just look at the at the the picture of the person then you know where to go sort of thing and it's got this really odd progression which i really like where you start off and you're running and then you start and then you're running but you've also got like

mecca legs and then you're running you've got a little trolley behind you and then there's a bike there's ziplines and there's different like and it's sort of it slowly progresses you but even with that you've still got choices you're like you're faced with this fucking massive mountain and i was like okay i've got choices i could either drive the whole way around it to the back which will take ages or i could just go straight up it walking along sort of paths which are a bit tricky and slow and sluggish and boring or i could just get a shitload of ladders or i could try and build a zipline and connect this to someone who's built a zipline up the top of it already i was just given all these really interesting choices and

and i don't know it does feel like you're playing euro truck sim occasionally or something i was thinking i would love to play a game like you know being like a medieval like career or something like that you know you're just like walking around like these like shitty villages with like a big backpack on and you have to deliver like you know grain to another town or whatever like that without all like the weirdness you know it'd be kind of like like a walking simulator but you know set like in a in a more realistic sort of you know i did uh i did a rival podcast last week really oh no i did pitch please oh you did pitch please why are you bringing this up you're like it's also yogscast it's also your trifle i did i did pitch please no no they all they were all very very pleased to have a

someone from such an esteemed podcast right on their on their little podcast so uh it was uh it was it was really fun actually and i pitched my game to the guys and they loved it and like i said the next morning i woke up and i was ready to play my game i dreamt that it was ready yeah and i woke up and it was it was not a real thing i was very was it dudes in alaska no oh i'm ready to play that one, by the way. I know you are. I wish it was made. I wish somebody made it.

Mine is more like a sort of, it's kind of like XCOM, but it's set. You're the head of a crime family, and you have to grow your crime family across the city. And the fights are you trying to take over turf or defend your turf. But the fights are kind of goofy and not as sort of strict and straightforward as x i think i played crime family proudly sponsored by that cool anyway like a prohibition this is this is set modern day this is modern day empire of sin empire of sin i've heard of that well either way my my game the guys loved it but unfortunately will never get made it's not out yet do you think they liked it or do you think that they were just saying that they loved it but unfortunately will never get made it's not out yet do you think they liked it or do you think that they were just saying that they loved it because no they liked it podcast oh i see

this yeah did you get like mine would not be like this mine would be much more pixely and funny modern mafia x-com not 1920s mafia x-com okay sorry sorry very different very different genre very different and much much more fun there was um wasn't there like a like an x-com game that took place like a long time ago it was like like there's like a bureau thing or whatever i remember the the gray guys like dressed up like dick tracy and stuff yeah it was something to do oh gosh i don't even remember there was one that was like set in like the 1970s or something it was like it was like there was one that we were like it was like a cold war thing or something right yeah spies yeah i

think it was called like the bureau or something like that i can't remember but i seem anyway listen listen to the pitch please and you'll see it's quite a cool idea for a game i think right sadly it will never get made well you never know the devs might listen to it and pick it up and you know it might get you know you're giving it away now so if you build it they will come you've got to plant the seed somehow pflax i just want to play it i've got i've got so many ideas you've you've spunked your oats out onto the world let's see if the world responds positively we'll see whether they come back and send you a fuel just to my spunk in my experience flax because i've talked about dudes in alaska at length i've given everybody all the information they'd ever need to make the game nobody's made

right so yeah don't get your hopes up is all i'm saying but you never know you never know we'll see yeah it's only a matter of time yeah i reckon i watched a film last night called stripes right oh with uh bill murray and uh murrayis, John Candy. Yeah. It was made in 1981. It was one of Bill Murray's first films. Yeah, Bill Murray and Harold Ramis were really good friends when they made that movie. And unfortunately, as their lives progressed, they fell out. And they didn't have the same friendship. They couldn't work with each other and they fought a lot. And Harold Ramis was dying of cancer.

And Bill Murray flew to his town and went to the local police station to say, where does Harold Ramis live? And the sheriff was just like, oh, yeah, we'll take you to his house because you're Bill Murray. Like, we know who you are sort of thing. And Bill Murray, like, just like right before he passed away, Bill Murray, like, got to talk to him and, like, buried the hatchet with him or whatever. God. But he couldn't talk back. Oh, no, he was talking back.

They, like, they reconciled. They were like, oh, you know, sorry. Sorry, we had, like, a feud and stuff like that. And it's like, oh, thanks for visiting me and stuff. Encouraged by his his brother he visited to make amends with a box of donuts and a police escort yeah he had ramis had lost most of his ability to speak so murray did the talking over several hours could you imagine if harold ramis hadn't wanted him to be there and he was like this last torturous encounter he just like couldn't tell

idiot the fuck out of here yeah i know you're trying to blink back tears harold but don't worry we're reconciled now i just thought it was an interesting story i think bill murray's a pretty interesting guy and i think carol ramis ramis was really interesting as well and it was just such a shame that it just shows like um how sort of like fame and everything uh can can transform you and you and change your life sometimes in really good ways, but sometimes in not so good ways. You know, the shame is a lot of the time when it comes to reconciliation, it takes something like that, like an ultimate, well, they're going to die.

So it's now or never. Yeah. And it's terrible to think that there are people who, I think it's just a pride thing and an ego thing to not reconcile because essentially you know you're gonna have to apologize for something another uh another deathbed story that i really like is um is when george harrison was uh dying of cancer right i think he was in switzerland or or sweden he was somewhere for for tax reasons basically but he decided that he was going to die not in england um and. And he's basically on his deathbed.

And Ringo Starr came to visit him. And they were having a chat. He was in LA. They were having a chat or whatever. He came to visit him. And he's like, oh, well, listen, George, I got to get going. Because my daughter's in hospital as well. She's really sick.

And I need to go visit her or whatever. And George Harrison couldn't walk or anything at this point. He's bedbound and stuff. And he just looked up up to him he's like oh do you want me to come with you it's like uh no it's fine it's fine george just like i'm just gonna go sort of i just thought it was just like it's like such such sort of like dark humor you know but to be sort of like aware of your situation and everything like right before you i think george harrison was always had like a pretty good sort of sense of humor but i just thought that i always thought that that was like a bit of a touching this is also true except for it was ringo star actually so i just looked it up

yeah not george not uh not one of the other ones who came i did say he did say ring oh is that what you said yeah oh man well done got it right then sorry you've ruined this god i've ruined it i know it didn't it was great that was great i like that. I've ruined it. No, I didn't. It was great. That was a great little anecdote. I like that. I like little, I like stories like that. I don't know. I don't even know how I come upon them, but it's just, it's just like one of those.

It's because you're being old, so you just pick up stuff as you go. Yeah, I like that one. I like the Bill Murray one too, but sorry, Flax. Stripes. You were talking about stripes. Oh, yeah. No, I was just going to say. Oh, yeah.

stripes you're talking about stripes oh yeah no i was just gonna say it was like oh yeah it was like um it was an interesting movie because you would you don't get movies like that anymore it felt very chaotic and it felt um i don't know it just felt like it was very much the start of those kind of 80s goofball yeah movies like they're like meatballs was another one like they were they were just like that and there was this whole sort of culture of these goofy movies but um There's an awful lot of tits in the movie Yeah a lot of tits and I remember movies when I was when I was a kid that we would watch and be like

You know, they'd be like an 18 because there was some tits in it or whatever. Yeah, like porky stuff like that Yeah, exactly There any chance to show teenage girls with their tits out, or maybe early 20s, some of these girls, Sean Young was in it, and there's just tits everywhere. There's a scene where they go to a bar

and John Candy mud wrestles a bunch of women and he wins by taking their bikini tops off and they're all going, ah! They're like, I mean, first of all, they're strippers. I don't know why they're all covered up. It's kind of funny.

But it was just such an 80s thing to have. Yeah. In those movies. But I also watched a video that YouTube recommended me that was like if pranks from those movies were real, what would to happen nowadays or if you were to put them in a movie nowadays, it would be like, oh, my God, that's so fucking inappropriate. Yeah. Yeah. They were super, super whatever, you know, just do whatever. nowadays it would be like oh my god that's so fucking inappropriate yeah like yeah they were super super whatever you know we just do whatever like there's a there's a scene where a guy is trying to give a talk and someone gives him a blowjob at the same time so he can't concentrate like they're hiding in the lectern sucking him off and it's like that's that's essentially sexually assaulting someone yeah uh and it's just like played for laughs it's just the 80s was like

they was all just a big joke and uh you know tits was was not a problem they were loads of movies it just made me laugh it just it's funny because i've been watching all those old black and white movies and thinking how dated they were but even looking at movies from the 80s and probably the 90s even the 90s i think the 90s are worse in a lot of ways because i don't think yeah the 90s like when you look back to like a lot of the humor of the 90s and stuff there was lots of it was to do with homosexuality which just doesn't um it's it's aged very poorly you know like there's just not as much yeah and honestly like uh this your friends is hugely homophobic and transphobic and like yeah there's a lot of a lot of a lot of those 90 jokes were like but but he's a man yeah kind of that stuff that doesn't really hold up anymore you

know like it's like we're a lot more aware of like different things now where you go back and you watch some of this stuff from the 90s i find the 90s in particular really because i think the 80s still had that sort of attempt at um uh censorship sort of thing like not like the movies you're talking about but yeah i mean i wonder if part of it as well as the 90s feels like it's almost it's not that far away from now so it feels closer if you watch if you watch stripes it looks like it was filmed on i don't know what i mean it was like awful old film and it was like very cheap and it almost feels like you can't flame it too much because it looks like a college project you know what i mean

yeah it's smaller the guy the guy that directed stripes was also the guy who directed ghostbusters right that's ivan reitman yeah and he was um and and ghostbusters was was i was watching that uh again uh movies that made us or whatever the ghostbusters one and it was just like it's a miracle that movie even came out it's a i love ghost again it felt like it felt like it was like a college project with a bunch of people just yeah floundering around not really i like that that idea of a tv show that's basically like as long as the movie except it doesn't it just talks about the movie and it feels like you've watched the movie again when you've done it you know i watched yeah i love the behind the scenes stuff and i like all the little stories about like yeah and then the movie was uh due to come out the next

day and uh we still couldn't find bill murray and like all this stuff and it's just like oh man you know like i love stories like that i really like music documentaries for the same reason. I like all the stories of people like on the road and like the. Do you suppose that, I mean, nowadays that wouldn't happen because it's all much more contractual and the studios are much more in control, I think. I still think it does happen, honestly. It's just, it's probably different, but it's still,

I think, I feel um we have this perception of like production companies and uh and big businesses and stuff where we think because they make so much money they have to have their shit in order and oftentimes they just don't it's a mess i mean i'm not saying there's not like chaos or whatever but if you look at the way that they made movies back then it was a lot more the director needed so and so so we got in a van and we drove around until we found someone that looked appropriate and we stuck them in the movie you know it feels like yeah it feels more like just a bunch of guys on the edge of failure and it's just i think i think that still exists i think even more so now with um with the the quality of equipment that you can get that's just you know

like there's a lot of shows now that are just shot with like one camera, you know, like the moving cameras, like look at like the office, the way it was shot, the shield was shot the same way. You know what I mean? Like they didn't,

they didn't need as big of a crew as they would normally use because of, I don't, I think, I think it's much more professional now. It has to be. It's more professional. You couldn't produce, look at the Avengers where every single frame is like, that's different. I mean's different i mean that and yeah but they didn't make movies like that back then no

but they even if you look at star wars it was seat of the pants stuff and it's pretty clunky in a lot of parts but and that was like the biggest movie no but like by the time the avengers came along though that that sort of um you know that the big special effects blockbuster was like a um was like a fine-tuned thing right like you'd had all the big action movies of the 80s um you'd had like the the the rise of like the like the computer graphic stuff in the 90s and everything so by the time i think they came around to doing like the avengers it was like a well-oiled machine you know what i mean yeah but that's what i mean is that the professionalism has gone up across the board i think everybody for that for that genre absolutely yeah but there's still a lot of like there's still a lot of independent movies that are made like on a shoestring budget that are that that appear very professional and stuff

but behind the scenes was a big release it made 80 million dollars in the u.s yeah like they made these movies on a shoestring budget well the studios didn't trust them and they would be like you're gonna deliver that movie by the end of the month yeah yeah i mean it's the same with home alone home alone had this like really really small budget because when it was pitched the the type of movie it was just didn't call for any anything extra there's a couple of stunts and stuff but you know they looked at and they're like yeah okay fine like 15 million should be fine to make this this movie and then really small budget well in terms of a big movie this movie made like fucking almost a billion dollars in the box office like it was one of the biggest movies

ever like it's insane it's just shot in a house. It's not like they had to do fucking special effects of the fucking Death Star. They had to build the entire house inside a school gymnasium because of all the stunts and everything. They couldn't just use a real house. So it's like, in the end, they ended up spending a lot more money than they thought they would, which was the right call because they ended up

making so much money. But you know i mean it's like god it was honestly yeah the mess made half a billion didn't it it was huge yeah it was fucking huge it was in the theaters forever i remember when i was a kid it was in the in the theaters for like two years like it was just insane it was just around for so long that and the original ninja turtles movie and jurassic park as well do you reckon like what's what's the i mean cinema i guess going to the movies felt like going to i don't know going to a theme park or something didn't it felt like it felt like you were going on a roller coaster when you went to to see see

see something like home alone you know it felt like i don't know felt like you were going to do well certainly when you when i was a kid it felt like that i was like excited to go but it's just again it's like it's just relative to the time right there's just like what else were you gonna do like you go to the movies or what just like go the mall like you know what i mean like you didn't have like mmos to like plug into and ipads and stuff like that so you the the stuff that you did and the stuff that you got excited about doing were were just relative to the the time right like i don't know yeah people really care that much about cinema now like because there's just so many other things you could be doing it's easier or whatever i really enjoyed watching the

monty python on netflix i think they it popped up for me that there was some old documentary about monty python and it sort of went through their kind of catalog of stuff you know and they didn't really do all that much you know they had a couple of seasons on telly in the sort of went through their kind of catalogue of stuff, you know. And they didn't really do all that much. You know, they had a couple of seasons on telly in the sort of early 70s or very late. It was like 60, 69, 70. And then they did their movies. And they kind of just became incredibly iconic from that relatively small... Body of work.

Yeah, there wasn't really much there. The movie, there's... Also, I'm not being funny, but if you ever actually watched a full episode of monty python's flying circus yeah like actually no not just clips not just the famous no i did because i watched it because it's on uh it's on netflix so it's fucking awful it's absolutely it's pretty terrible i mean even at the time a lot of people didn't really like it there was just nothing like it on tv exactly it was groundbreaking. It was groundbreaking.

It was like avant-garde comedy television. And for that reason, it should be applauded. But an awful lot of it is fucking awful. And they say as much. Like the movies, if you look at the movies, I'm a big fan of the Monty Python movies. I grew up watching them. They were like amazing to me at the time because it was like, holy shit, this is crazy. But I watched some of the TV show and I was like, this is awful.

Like sometimes the whole episode would be, isn't there one where there's like like holy shit this is crazy but i watched some of the tv show and i was like this is awful like sometimes the whole episode would be isn't there one where like there's like blemishes attacking people or something like that and it's just like the whole episode is that and there are some sketches that are that are like really interesting but not like funny they're just weirdly dark like there's one where they write a joke that's so funny that if you hear it you die like it's you laugh yourself to death and they have soldiers walking around reading this out to sort of uh to kill the enemy yeah they have to they have to read it in a foreign language so that they themselves don't die from laughing it's just it's just like it's bonkers but i wouldn't i wouldn't call that like a roll around laugh kind of sketch and a lot of it

is just just dreadful some of it just completely falls flat it's so strange yeah even even the iconic famous sketches that you remember have sometimes either bits either follow-ups to them or like bits at the start and end which are terrible which have then been like trimmed off you know when you've when you've re-watched it on like a highlight you know you end up getting this more filtered version and there's loads of bits where it just goes, something just explodes, and it just goes to the next sketch. It feels like sixth form stuff at times. Also the animations,

everyone always raves about them, but I think, and I always thought, they were always shit. And they were not funny. Really creepy, yeah. And not, never good.

Like, I never thought the animations added anything. The one with the guy's teeth played a music. No sketch shows ever since, ever put fucking animations in added anything to Monty Python. That's why no sketch shows ever since ever put fucking animations in the middle of their sketch show. You know, it was very experimental. But anyway, like, I'm a big fan of Monty Python. I enjoy watching the documentary.

I feel like a lot of comedy doesn't age well. I mean, there's definitely examples of comedy that's, like, timeless or whatever. But, like, even shows that i like used to watch as a kid we changed i used to watch this show called kids in the hall it was like a canadian oh i loved it too but when you go back and watch it now it's just not funny like there's some of it is still kind of funny but it's you know like i was a kid so like it's kind of like with weird al i used to love weird al i used to think he was so funny and stuff and then we saw him at blizzcon i just thought i can't just can't watch this like it's just right it's too much like i'm not i feel like kids kids in the hall was what it

was a show that they're on bbc2 this would have been in the in the the early 90s to mid 90s yeah they they put kids in the hall on uh on this weirdo slot they also do you remember wayne's world the sketches for that from saturday night live wayne's world yeah they would put those as They put Kids in the Hall on, on this weirdo slot. They also, do you remember Wayne's World? The sketches for that from Saturday Night Live. Yeah, Wayne's World, yeah. They would put those as a standalone program on BBC Two. I mean, those sketches weren't that funny either. No, no, but me and my sister were obsessed with them.

Yeah, I know. We recorded them all. We recorded all the Kids in the Hall stuff they showed. They'd show it sort of out of sequence. You know, you just, you got what you got. Sometimes the episode was really old. Sometimes it was brand new. And I loved, I absolutely loved them.

And I still think about and still quote some of those sketches. Me and Mrs. F, really, really big fans of that show back in the day. But I watched it the other day. Like you said, I watched it. I think it was on Netflix or something like that. And I watched some,

or I might've watched them on YouTube. And I was like, man, this is, this is really pretty bad. A lot of sketches yeah like you said at the time you grew up with yeah like when i was like 12 and i was watching it i thought it was hilarious it was really good but now that i'm 40 like i just it's just not and and it was a different time too right like some of the you know like the the topical um elements of the comedy just just you know like they just don't matter at all anymore like it's not even remotely funny because it's just like such a i think originally people had to be told when to laugh as well with canned laugh and things like that because and i feel like it was this prompt that would that and i think getting

rid of canned laughter and actually giving the audience the respect to laugh when they want to um or at least you know rather than telling them what the jokes are you know i don't know there's this whole different thing with comedy now that it definitely very few shows have canned laughter still yeah a lot of a lot of the theory is the last big one if you look at frazier let's say frazier that was all set like that it was a live studio audience same with seinfeld it was like a studio audience yeah so the laughs were were genuine and i actually feel that it was it was more exciting to it seinfeld without the laugh track would have been really really weird it would have been yeah i mean i think it in a way it's part, like it either suits the show or it doesn't. The Office with the laugh track would have sucked.

Oh, it would have. Yeah, it's not that kind of. But Seinfeld without a laugh track doesn't work. You have to feel like you're with other people watching these idiots. And I think that that was part of it. There are some shows it suits. Also, I mean, I rewatched Frasier all the time.

That is a show that I still find absolutely hilariously funny. Like, I just think that's amazing. Yeah, it's one of the best. That's got to be the best sort of spinoff series of anything ever, right? Yeah. Like, nothing else has been even close to as popular. Well, it kind of overtook its, you know, overtook its original. And I'll tell you, sometimes things do.

You know, sometimes spinoffs become more famous than the thing that they came yeah cheers was huge at the time i mean imagine that that show that we watched when you were last over lewis the goes wrong show like you have to have the audience laughing at some of that stuff right i mean that's more like live comedy it is yeah yeah i mean it's very different and in a sense i see where seinfeld and things like that came from you know in that they felt like they were live comedy theater especially seinfeld's very much apartment based you know they don't tend to leave the apartment it's all it's all filmed in la any of the stuff in new york is all filmed on a set or if they needed shots of new york there's one

scene where kramer runs across a road and they had to film it in new york so they got someone that vaguely looked like kramer to run across the road and you can to film it in New York. So they got someone that vaguely looked like Kramer to run across the road. And you can tell it's not him. It's so bad. Man, there were some really good Seinfeld episodes. Like, just like when you think back, like that fucking episode

where Kramer and Jerry swap apartments with the Kenny Rogers sign with the chicken and the fucking neon sign outside like fuck me man like what the fuck like some of the episodes were so funny it's just yeah I don't know but I think there are some shows and films now that when you look at them one of the reasons is that they've read they've redone them in HD and a lot of these films don't look as good and a lot of the shows don't look as good in HD. Star Trek Next Generation is a prime example. When you watch that in HD, it looks way more clunky, and the effects look even worse.

And there's just something about it, it feels kind of goofy. I was watching Heat, one of my favourite films, Michael Mann film, and there's a shot in that. In an SD version of the film, you wouldn't notice it, and it happens very very quickly you might not notice it even in the cinema but there's a scene where al pacino busts into an apartment and charges someone and and charges them with his shoulder and knocks them through a window i think it's henry rollins actually that he knocks through a window and in the in the shot that i watched in hd the guy running towards you who was meant to be al pacino looks nothing like al pacino and for a second i was like i mean he's obviously a stuntman but i was like they didn't even try to film him from a different angle it's it's just not al pacino this dude is nothing i thought who's

this guy yeah like it actually for a second i thought this has to be a new character i was like where'd he go like i was super fucking confused for a second before i realized oh it's just because it's hd and this film was yeah well because all they would have done is like the get the stunt guy in put on the same clothes and and a wig and then away you go you kind of look like him or at least like but like you said once everything is magnified you wouldn't notice it the fidelity now ruins yeah yeah it's funny yeah that is it really does like i think that's the thing like like i think maybe old these older movies and they'll certainly older tv shows were not meant to be recorded and be have the ability

to pause or play back or at least be shown in decent resolution you know they're broadcast over the fucking area yeah you're never gonna get like you're watching them in 320p on old tv especially in america i don't know what it is with their televisions but oh my god if you ever watch an american show that's been ported from then to the uk i mean they used to do on the day-to-day they always used to do a joke about the american news broadcast and it looked like the tape had been left under a bus for a few weeks and then put in it's like super grainy and the color was all fucked up it was it was yeah i totally noticed what you just said like a couple of times this week i've just thought fucking hell that's that that's a stuntman in a wig you know know, or something like this. And I've just been like, Jesus.

Yeah, it's really funny. Some of them were terrible. I did watch, I'll tell you what I've watched this week. I watched the first season of Homecoming, which had Julia Roberts in it. Oh, yeah. Who felt like,

I don't know how old her character was supposed to be in it, but I assume mid-20s, when she is like 45, 50. Julia Roberts. And the rest, right? She's got to be older right but when was this show made like two years ago oh well then she must be enough julia roberts is currently um

i'd say 51 she's 52 right now 52 okay well by the way she is she's she's fucking gorgeous like when i was when i was younger i didn't get it i was like but now i'm like oh i didn't get it then i don't get it i don't really get now it's whatever like builds this pseudo relationship which isn't obviously like explicit in the show no spoilers or whatever but she she's sort of helping this army guys just come back from the war that's right yeah i remember this and and and i don't know i just felt to be like it was so obvious she was wearing a wig and also it was fairly obvious to me that she was just a lot older than me i just felt it was like really like creep they were i think they were supposed to be

friends but it felt to me to be creepy and also i just didn't really think she worked at that show i didn't like her i felt like they just i know how these sometimes these shows work they've got a show on the on the docket you know they're making this show and they're like is anyone interested and they're like i had a julia roberts interest it's like oh my god we gotta get julia and they're like joey and suddenly suddenly she's in the show and totally miscast almost but like it just feels like she's too she's too well known to turn down and a lot of movies do the same and a lot of tv shows do the same they literally a big celebrity is interested and they they're stuck with that now even though it like feels completely wrong for the show um i wish

they'd done the cubic thing i've just got in someone someone proper taking the drill instructor instead of the the sort of burned out celebrity but now julia roberts isn't burned out what are you talking about i don't know i feel like i just don't know i don't i'm not a fan i look i i am i wasn't i am announcing it here i am replacing sophia vegara who replaced liz hurley i am now a julia roberts main all right i'm replacing mine with kate moss then i i feel like she's still got it i've never been a kate moss oh man sorry buddy i mean we can we can have different opinions about it i'm just saying we julia roberts is fucking gorgeous that's all oh she's fine

she was married to lyle love it remember that and she's a great actress i just didn't she is i watched erin brockovich recently which is where this came from she yeah i was watching i was thinking man she's so good in this. And she's so fucking beautiful. That was her big role, right? That's a great movie. No, Pretty Woman was her big role. That was the Roberts maker right there.

Yeah, she's more known for Pretty Woman, but in actual terms of the peak of weight of a role ability and stuff was probably aaron brock yeah yeah yeah i'd say so julia roberts that's an hour and 10 i think an hour and 11 we've already spoiled these uh sorry we're we're whiffing waffling on about nothing anyway that's yeah unusually for us we're waffling so we'll call it there well hey at least we didn't have any like really fucking depressing chats about prostitutes this week like uh could have been worse i didn't start that i didn't start that could have been worse for sure well that's what that's what happens um you just can't you can't it's a

conversation you can't control it it goes where it wants to go i do i do want to say just before we go oh god here we go i i thought it could be i thought it could have just been a movie we were almost done the whole first season you know how sometimes you watch a movie and you think oh man they could have made this detective movie into a tv show and vice versa

sometimes I watch like a really slow burning detective show and I think fuck they could have just made this a movie do you know what I mean um I'll leave it there on that vital bombshell Julia Roberts highest rating of a movie on Rotten Tomatoes is The Normal Heart from 2014.

The Normal Heart, which itself got a 94% on the Tomatometer. Wow. The Normal Heart. Never heard of it. A television drama film. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's not even a movie. It's not even a movie it's not even

a it's not even a tv show it's a it's a tv normal heart thanks to emmy worthy performances from a reputable cast the normal heart is not only a powerful heartbreaking drama but also a vital document of events leading up to and through the early aids crisis that sounds too tragic i don't even know if she's did she did she make this movie or is she in it i don't even know mark ruffalo yeah mark ruffalo he's in it yeah oh it's got jim parsons in it from the fucking big bang theory well that's going right in the bin then i am watching that mark ruffalo matt bomer jim parsons taylor kitch jim parsons julia roberts as dr emma brookner and alfred fucking jim parsons she doesn't sound like she's very evolved as a Dr. Emma Bruckner.

That sounds like a side role. She might be dishing out the... I think the credits might have a with or an and before her name. Or special guest. No, it would go blah, blah, blah, and Julia Roberts. Okay. Just leave that there. Just another one here quickly before we go. I've just spotted this movie called First Cow,

which is 95% rated fresh on Tomatometer. First Cow finds director Kelly Reichardt revisiting territory and themes that will be familiar to fans of her previous work with typically rewarding results. Jeez, what a thrilling fucking introduction that is. There you go. This one stars John Magaro, Orion Lee, Ewan Bremner, René Auberjonois,

and Dylan Smith. Oh, yeah. He died, didn't he? He was Odo. Do you remember him? Odo from Star Trek. Wait, isn't Ewan... Is Ewan Bremner spud from Trainspotting?

I think it looks just like him, right? It looks just like him. Yes, he is Spud. It is him. It is actually him. Yeah. Well, there you go. First cow, everybody.

95% never heard of it. Interesting. Also never heard of the normal heart either. First cow. There you go. The rabbit holes that uh that the internet leads you down right well it's good it's good to get some good movie tips because quite honestly you know some of them on netflix and uh bamboos and prime are just absolutely there's a

good one on now tv now which was on um i think showtime in america is the the four four part docuseries on the wu-tang clan of mikes and men which i watched again recently because it was on you've what you watched it so good you watched it watched it well i watched it like years ago when it came out and then just recently i saw that it was available so i was like oh whatever i'll watch it again like i i find it interesting it's a it yeah it is a it is a it is an interesting story though about fame and money and how it changes relations like these nine guys all grew up together they were close they were good friends and stuff and all they did throughout the height of their fame and everything was was fought about

money all that's all they did the whole thing they wanted to go off and do their own thing that's how everyone gets caught that's how you get caught never like said never rob a bank because you know all of your dudes all your best friends that you rob the bank with will turn on you and try to steal money from you and everything it's crazy that's why i wouldn't ride yeah me too because of the hassle afterwards not just the hassle afterwards but like just imagine having to plan it leave your house do it in the first. You don't even know if it's going to work. Leave your house. I like the way that's part of the reason for the robbing bank. You don't even know if it's going to pay off, you know?

You might get caught. What, you mean go outside? No, come on. Oh, fuck. Go out, leave the house? I saw a drop of rain. Maybe we should postpone the robbery. You'd have to start going outside regularly.

Let's try it next Wednesday instead, guys. Otherwise your wife would notice. So Sips went out for six hours, and then the bank was robbed. It's like, if you went out... I'm piecing it together. This is a stone cold whodunit, and I'm piecing it together. Right. On that note.

All right. See you later. We'll see you all next week. Take care. Bye. Bye. Goodbye. on that note we'll see you all next week bye