Triforce! - Triforce! #137: Getting Back to Our Roots

Episode Date: August 5, 2020

Triforce! Episode 137! It's been a while since we spoke about poop, complained about games and yelled at random people in the street. We're getting back to our roots! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, everybody. Hello everybody, welcome to the Triforce podcast with me, Sips. Hello Sips. Hi. And Pyrrion Flax. Hello. I've had, it's a lovely sunny day outside, I can see I'm looking forward to going outside. Normally I'd be streaming today, but I'm having a little bit of time off, and so I'm going to go and read my book outside.

I've got a new book to read. Right. It's called Re to read right um it's called revenger apparently it's like a bit of space pirates it's alistair reynolds um i like him i like space i like pirates so and i like sunshine so i'm gonna put some suntan cream on right i'm gonna go outside and lube myself up for the outside world i'm gonna bust out my bubble okay nice i've been sat inside playing playing to play and play games all week and painting some warhammer and building some lego i've been having a nice chill relaxing time right i feel like a toddler though a little bit like do you mean just or at

least a teenager um doing all the stuff i used to do when i was a teenager i'm having a good i'm having a good time what What about you guys? What have you guys been doing this week? I've been sitting inside and playing video games as usual all week, all week long. That's good stuff. You've been playing Death Stranding. Yeah, yeah, I finished it. Yeah, I saw.

So did I, actually. And I really liked it. Somebody said to me beforehand, this game is quite relevant for the pandemic because everyone's trapped inside and they have to have their packages delivered to each other and they can't go outside because there's danger yeah there's been some similarities drawn um to it but i wasn't really convinced there were that many similarities well no i mean beyond the fact that everyone's like

isolated in the little bunkers yeah and and receives parcels in their little bunkers quite regularly from amazon originally when i started playing death surrounding i thought that you were because the sort of story sets it up like you're this really important kind of like lifeline to these people who couldn't survive without you okay yeah and then immediately they're like uh i've got like a load of old tires or like just a load of literal shit they don't even want and they're like can you just deliver this this one girl for the junk dealer who wants you to ship around like shit tons of junk yeah like fuck me what what i'm supposed to be like this i'm risking my life to carry like just old fucking like i don't know chassis and crap around for

you yeah but then oh man but then he builds like good stuff with it though so it's useful right it's about building rebuilding the connections between people isn't it like that's i think that's it at its core yeah it's like saying we won't really be humans again until we can fuck about with banal shit like that right and that sort of is otherwise we're essentially just surviving and that's not really the human experience at the moment you know we've reached a possibly exist without her magazines so you have to deliver a fucking magazines to her right so it makes her feel human again and it restores that sort of that boring everyday shit is what makes us uh able to enjoy life like if we just lived like we did when we're hunter gatherers apparently

though hunter gatherers had a pretty sweet time of it you gather for a few hours then you can just chill the rest of the day a few hours yeah few hours. Yeah, I wonder what they did. Well, I think it's being purposeful, right? And I think that is something that a lot of people don't have nowadays. You know what I mean? Especially in our society where a lot of stuff is already taken care of for you sort of thing. I think a lot of people feel like a disconnect on that level, right? They don't have any any any like tangible purpose or whatever like me i just sit around play video games all day

you know what i mean and like i'm i'm fairly happy with that but i don't know sometimes i think like you know it'd be pretty it'd be pretty neat to have to to go out and do something really important every day you know what i was watching was watching Seinfeld last night. That's funny you should mention that because they're all on like, I think it's on Amazon Prime or something. And I was watching some episodes and there's one where George goes to get a job

and the guy says, well, I'd love to bring you on board. However, and then he goes, oh, let me take this call. And George is like, however, what? Or, you know, did I get the job? And he never finds out. So he just turns up to work because the guy's gone on holiday.

So he just turns up and says, yeah, I start today. They give him an office and they give him this file, the Penske file. And I was like, wow, imagine having like an office and people coming to you and saying, here's some work we need you to do. And it's something I haven't done in such a long time. And I've never had an office. And I was like, imagine having a job. Like it was actually quite exciting, the idea of going to work and having colleagues and work and stuff.

I don't know if you remember much about being at work. But I remember specifically, getting a lot of work given to me where I just thought, what is the fucking point of this? Oh, yeah. And you work on it for months. And it's just like, what is the fucking point of this? Oh, yeah. And you work on it for months. And it's just like, and you knew at the end of it, everybody's pulling in like, all these hours, overtime, everything, everybody's making a big deal of it. And you just knew at the back of your mind, like, this is this is going nowhere. Like, we will we will implement this or whatever. And right now, everybody's talking about it, like it's going to be like a game changer, or like, you know, we're going to live in some new world when we're done or whatever and right now everybody's talking about it like it's going to be like a game changer or like you know we're going to live in some new world when we're done or

whatever and a week after it's in nobody will care about it and it'll sit there and collect dust and everybody will just go back to doing the same stuff that they always done and nine times out of ten that was true like i knew straight away that if I, like, I would be excited on my first day. And then the second day I'd be like, oh, I've got to go into work. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't miss it. But in a weird way, I miss my ideal idea of what a job would be. Yeah.

Where I can basically, I have some cool stuff I'm involved in. It's exciting and interesting, ever changing. That's not going to happen. Like you said, I've had jobs and it's just boring as shit. you have to get up and go in you sit there all your time even when you're bored to tears and you don't want to do it anymore you still got to do it it's like it's a yoke i i always just i i always figured that sales people had the best time at jobs you know what i mean like it sounds like the worst because you always see like those um you know, like those conventions for like door to door vacuum cleaner salesmen and stuff. And they always look really sad.

Right. They're always like these middle aged men who just like act really silly. And, you know, but I think I think in terms of actual getting like tangible satisfaction from your job, it probably feels pretty good to sell stuff right it probably feels pretty good to have a conversation with somebody convince them to buy something and then you put an order in and then you get a commission or or you get paid for it and it probably just feels like uh closer to like you know like a old old world like trading or being a merchant or something like that as you can get especially if what you're selling is good if you're selling shit that would suck like whereas compared to like say working in like it or something like uh you know behind the scenes or whatever there's tangible

work yeah but it's it's uh oftentimes it's not understood or appreciated and usually it's instigated by people who don't know what they're doing right so your oversight in in your work and stuff is uh never great you know because again you have to deal with non-technical people a lot the customer in general exactly yeah has no idea what they're talking about or how it works yeah it's frustrating and there's a huge disconnect between what you're doing and what the people who are trying to sell the service that you're creating are doing because they're always looking for an angle or like some surefire way of you know getting somebody on board or whatever and the whole time you're thinking hang on a second

what you're describing isn't what we're doing or you know you're you're just inventing stuff just to make it sound better or whatever you know what i mean like we were talking about peter molyneux yesterday on stream actually and uh people were like i was i wasn't sure i mean i i suspected lewis or even sips might have met him oh yeah lewis did yeah he went down to the office i've met him a bunch of times yeah yeah so do you think peter molyneux if you're if you want to talk about it is just deluded or do you think he Molyneux, if you want to talk about it, is just deluded? Or do you think he's just a liar? Like, I felt that he's just caught up in the idea of, yeah, we could do all this cool stuff. And he pitches it as, yes, we can do it.

But they just can't. And I worry that his devs at Lionhead or wherever they are now are sitting around thinking, oh, no, Peter, don't promise that. We can't do that. You know what I mean? I wasn't sure which it was. I don't think those characteristics are unique to him i think that that is a like a type of but usually like

a like a designer or like a studio head will be very much like that right like yeah we'll we'll we'll sort of like spin you that lifestyle dream yarn where you're like you know you you get on board with it you get hyped about it and stuff and everybody thinks oh this is great i'm really excited blah blah blah you know he's saying all this stuff and like um but then behind the scenes you know he goes back to his team he's like all right guys well i've said we're gonna do this and they're like yeah we can't do that he's like okay let's not do that we'll just do something else you know what i mean like it like it what what he's saying at that moment is for that moment only i think there's like this massive combo combination of factors right like i think most bosses who set tasks that are are usually done with the best of intentions i'm sure there's some

that are that they realize but are a waste of time but i don't think most people are going out there thinking i'm gonna set this guy a thing which we know we're never gonna use you know i think, I think there's some, I've done it a lot in the office. I've built a lot of spreadsheets or I've built a lot of like resources for people and then no one has ever used them for anything, you know, and it's kind of, you know, you, in your head when you start the project, you think, okay, this is going to save us a lot of time or this is going to be really handy. I think Peter Molyneux is someone who is this combination of factors that first first of all i think he has a lot of yes men because he's got a lot of famous you know a lot of time he'll come to someone he'll say oh can we do this and the dev team will be like sure peter we could definitely do that and then he sort of doesn't really follow that conversation

through to its end and sort of then extrapolates out in his head what that means without like he's a classic kind of do you think he doesn't do the oversight part so he's good at the ideas but not good at the follow-through he's a he's a dreamer but he's good at selling his dreams and that's what a lot of them are because he's very he believes in them he genuinely is passionate and believes that these projects can be seen through and i think that he has been a person who created a very amazing game in the original fable um and then since then has been i don't want to say let down by the teams that he's worked with but certainly worked with teams who were unable to capture the vision that he originally intended um whereas something like i think death stranding had was this um epic project that i think turned out amazing it's like it's like got

really good triple a actors it's got really good like core gameplay loop it's got a crazy wacky story sure but it's still got twists in it that i don't know it's just a real real good game it is and i think that you know if we gave peter molyneux maybe the amount of budget that we gave uh hideo kojima maybe he would have made something amazing but i feel like he's always trying to i don't know make the the avengers end game on five dollars and a you know the local guy from down the road called dave who's but i guess the thing is kojima kojima's made a ton of games that have made a ton of money. Yeah. I mean,

he's got that solid and all the other stuff that he's done. He hasn't. Yeah. Well, no, but I think, I think, I think it was kind of this thing where he sort of has,

I think after the initial successes of his career, I think he went downhill. I don't, I don't think he has bad intentions or he's a liar necessarily i think he is passionate and excited about his projects but ultimately isn't the person who is responsible for making that happen i think he can run the project and kind of oversee it and and assume you know be told by people that they can do it because that's what they say isn't it you go to a job interview like in seinfeld and they're like can you you know can you do this and you're like

absolutely i can do that because that's what you're told to say isn't it to get a job sure an interview you know it's like basic training so if they ask you if you could do something just say you can i think i think it's a little bit different with kojima as well because he um he built up like a a big reputation off the back of really big games but they were all of the same franchise right like he's done he's done other games but he was with konami for a long time um and and the metal gear series just got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger but there was like tons of games right like there's like the you know like the ones that the ones that you know right like you're like one two three four and five i guess but there was lots of little

spin-off games for other systems like handheld games and all sorts of stuff like it was a really big franchise right and he he dedicated a lot of time well i think that he remember though has the backing of konami what i'm saying is imagine that imagine that hideo kojima had done a project that had you know spectacularly flopped yeah and then ever since you know i could see him being a piece of a new character this over promising odd kind of character who puts out these things that don't make any sense you know but it feels like death stranding was very close to being a bad game but thanks to the money and effort and i don't know like just clearly a lot of brilliant people it not just him you know lots of came out to be a really cool game in the in the in the numerous credit sequences in

the game you'll see that there's hundreds and hundreds of people involved like it's a really big project like it's insane and i i've been experiencing this recently because i think for the last few years i've very much played only a few only a few games um really and i've avoided console big budget console games yeah i'm the same i'm sort of discovering these games for the first time now like i just just started playing Metal Gear Solid 5 yesterday. Sure. Off the back of finishing Death Stranding and enjoying it and finding now that like my concept of a Metal Gear game

was based off of me playing Metal Gear Solid for the PlayStation when it came out. Yes, when you're hiding in a box. Yeah, that was a huge game at the time i was young though too and uh at the time i played pc games but not nearly as much as i do now obviously um and it was just like my my memories of that game were were fond i liked it but it just it i just sort of like you know um just dismissed it as like, just a console game that like, it's probably not, I'm not the demographic for that. I'm older now or whatever.

I don't need to play that. And I'm finding playing Metal Gear 5 is awesome. Holy shit. There's so many cool little things in it. You can, when you knock a guy out, there's this system where you attach like this fucking parachute to them and airlift them off of the site they go fucking flying up in the air and they get returned back to your base

and your dudes like interview them and like assimilate them into your base like like x-com style or something fuck man there's like so many cool little mechanics that are just like that have blown my mind i didn't realize that it was like uh an actually really open-ended sort of like uh sandboxy kind of game you know what i mean i just thought it was going to be this really linear cinematic experience stealth stealth hit a box i'm not against but it really the series just morphed there's so much more to it that i was really surprised by like it is it is really good yeah i'm just i'm very i feel like i've just sort of stumbled upon this whole wealth because uh coming out august 7th so it's

a week from now is horizon zero dawn yeah i'm gonna pick that up too i actually own it on the playstation and it's still in its shrink rack but i hadn't even opened it i just can't i can't bring myself to play on the console i'm sorry And so I've been playing Detroit Become Human Oh it's really cool I should probably try that I'm going to play an Assassin's Creed game next

Like maybe Odyssey or Black Flag or something Because apparently they're quite good as well I've just never played them I mean Black Flag is a classic Sort of light hearted Piratey setting they're quite good as well like i just never played them i mean black flag is a classic um the classic sort of light-hearted piratey setting with good it's one of the better ones in the series apparently black flag is it's quite it's it's probably the most well loved one but they've got like two since now three even more since that then i mean i i i played the assassin's creed back

in the day i think i played the first couple and then I got a bit bored of them. But I mean, they're the same, like very, very solid, big budget, big hitting console games that have had a lot of work and money and effort put into them. And actually the experience is pretty satisfying. When I'm used to sort of playing

so much indie PC kind of crap. Yeah. It's kind of nice to just have this. Like, I played the Titanfall 2 campaign, and it was, like, six hours long, or maybe nine hours long. But it was, like, completely, like, overwhelmingly cool for that amount of time.

Yeah. The first zone has you, like, I don't know, bouncing around these really cool landscapes. The second zone is really cool, because you're in, like, this factory that builds a town. And so you have to, like, because you're in like this factory that builds a town and so you have to like there's like a you're jumping around in this factory that builds and you're like why the hell are they what is this machine what is this factory building why

is it building like prefabricated towns and you realize it's like um building these like destructible terrains to train the ai robots in it's just a really cool yeah um idea yeah and it's it's got and the third the third zone is actually like you're in like this kind of portal style facility and you have a little wrist watch thing that lets you teleport back in time to when the the facility wasn't wrecked so you're basically just jumping for example like there'll be a giant flaming wall of fire and like loads of burn stuff loads of bodies around you right and if you just go back in time it will just be like a normal yeah doing science yeah and so you just pop into the science room run through

it fine and then you're on the other side of the fire and it's like a really cool concept i mean sure these things be number four but titanfall 2 just felt like a really nice experience and i just had a great time playing it yeah i must say yeah that sounds crazy it comes highly recommended like a lot of people love it it's like i feel like i just missed so many games i mean that is famous for the multiplayer experience and stuff but i mean they built in a really cool little campaign with a cool little story and i was like man i enjoyed it yeah it's it's nice but it's it i mean it's funny because we're talking about this stuff like it's brand new because it is to us but like you know some of these games are so old now people would be like

well yeah i mean we played those games years ago like it's not we know they're good yeah i think it's because i think also there is this desire or at least a thought that because something's old or been out for a year it's kind of old old hat you know like I don't know like because everything all these games came out on console a year ago and everyone's a bunch of people have played them or seen people play them or or it's kind of old news you know yeah and so you always want to feel like oh I'll play this new pc game that came out this week rather than something that came out a year ago on console. And so getting over that is part of it, I think.

Yeah. So this week, so where was it? Two days ago, I went out. Wow. I went into London. On a date. On a hot date. For dinner.

For dinner. On a date. Not a date. Just with some friends of mine. Did you bring Mrs. Flax? No, because we had, it's hard to get a babysitter because of the lockdown and the bubbling and all the rest of it. We've got, you know, the kids and the dog. And I was like, how do we arrange this babysitting thing at the moment? And it feels difficult.

So we've sort of been because she's working from home. She's going out with some of her friends in the area and stuff like that. And I'll stay home. And then this was the first time I've gone out in months. Your bubbles are touching other bubbles though. Very, very, very subtly. Some cross pollination. I mean, I think one time going out and the restaurant that we went to Hawksmoor, it's like a big steakhouse in Covent Garden. Excellent food. They had a lot of distancing going on.

So, for example, not all the tables were full. There's a lot of space between them. And everybody's pretty much keeping their distance. You know, it was it was good. Everybody's wearing a mask on the transport and everything. you know it was it was good everybody's wearing a mask on the transport and everything um it was it was good it felt it felt safe but it was so weird being in london at essentially rush hour on a weekday and it just being completely empty it was so so weird the roads were just not busy at all the train wasn't busy getting into richmond from twickenham normally at 5 30 on a fucking tuesday that would be hell. No problem. It was so surreal. But it was really nice to walk across Waterloo Bridge and see,

just see the city again. It's all like still there, you know, but it just feels like it was so, so far away. So Mrs. F was jealous that I'd been into London and she hadn't in such a long time. So today she's popped into town. Yeah. Do you think this, I mean, I read a thing that said that this was the longest period of quiet or the quietest period in recorded history. And it allowed scientists to do a lot of interesting things. Apparently like a lot of seismic stuff because there weren't so many roads and trains and lorries and stuff rattling along so much.

And there was a lot of studies they could do. And the ocean was a lot quieter. And there's a lot of things that were interesting anyway. But I thought like do you think that it is coming back to the office thing like i think a lot of businesses have realized that people can work from home and maybe that they work just as hard from home and a lot of people aren't just going to take the piss absolutely and it but it has to be from the from any business's perspective, unless you can justify to yourselves, we actually need to have a premises and people on it for whatever reason, whatever that reason is.

They must have seen a few things. First of all, I know that people can work from home because I know a ton of people are working from home. Mrs. F was working from home, very long hours, very hard work, all her colleagues the same, doing all the same work that they've been doing and just to the same standard. And in some some cases they found that it's much more easy to get in touch with your colleagues because they just you just get them on zoom you don't have to go

to someone's desk oh they're at lunch oh i'll leave it yeah we've got a discord and it's really responsive this this technology has been around for years that there's a there's a reason why not everybody works from home. And the reason is because there's lots of other industries that rely on people being out of the house for long periods of time

every day, right? Like Flax is saying, you go to a part of London and it's totally empty. All the sandwich shops around there are not going to be making any money. All the shops that people would go to at lunchtime aren't going to be making any money. Petrol stations aren't going to be making any money right um all the shops that people would go to at lunchtime aren't going to be making any money petrol stations aren't going to be making as

much money because nobody's commuting you know what i mean there's there's huge knock-on effects to it's true everybody working from home it is true but consider this we don't have people walking around the streets of london selling flowers anymore we don't have people walking around selling cockles and mussels and all the rest of it. Yeah. Things do change. And I think, you know. Yeah, that's true.

I can't remember the last time I bought cockles and mussels. So it's like, you know, if we just say, well, what about the sandwich shops? I mean, obviously, in the short term, that's impacting them.

And a lot of these small businesses that relied on offices, that is affecting them greatly. But if the shift comes and says well people just order food in then people have to supply that need and it can't just be of course but one place and one company so it will always it will always sort itself out eventually it will but it's not a it's not a gradual change this is this is uh like a big change for a lot of things at the same time which is the problem with the impact It's a bit of an uprooting situation.

It is. To replant that plant. Yes. However, I will say that given the environmental impact of commuting on not just the environment, but people's mental health, the cost of it, all that shit. Just, I mean, look at the roads in London at rush hour. This is not normal. This is not peak civilization. this is not normal this is not

peak civilization this is not stuff that we should protect it's fucking awful it is and if we can stop it and how i mean i fucking hated commuting i know i know mrs f does too it's horrible you tell anyone who enjoys sitting in traffic yeah nobody i think that i was i was concerned because i have as someone who has worked from home for a long time I appreciate that and you guys know too that it can be quite you can go a bit stir crazy if you're home all the time and I think a lot of people had a very stressful time when they were in lockdown yeah you know I think it's even now like and I think working from home can be very you know mentally difficult for people but actually turns out looks like on average

maybe just going into work dealing with the commute dealing with the office bullshit was actually worse yeah maybe yes the stresses of working at home well it's it there's a lot of factors though it's what you're used to as well right like and people you you can get you even if a situation is kind of shitty like having to commute or work in an office with people that you don't like or doing a job you don't like or whatever you you you can adapt all that stuff and people do all the time right um and then for something like this to happen and there to all of a sudden be a change to that something that you're used to or maybe just gotten used to or whatever um just takes time to get used to the new situation i

think overall absolutely like working from home not having to commute um there's there's so many benefits to it like people will probably save a lot of money uh people will probably uh be like maybe healthier or have like maybe even better mental health as a result like this but i think realistically i i think it's it's it's a huge change all of a sudden um like the economic impact of of just the lockdown in general has been huge and i think i think for it to like carry on sort of thing and without people having a chance to sort of change or adapt to it or whatever like some businesses have for sure like um but there's there's so many that that can't or haven't had the chance to and it's i just think if we if we wait and just say oh that change will come eventually it won't because there's no impetus there's no driver for one company to suddenly say all right fuck it everybody

worked from home yeah but But from a business perspective, why have a premises in central London that costs a fortune? Like if you have an office in central London, the cost of that is insane. If you have to build a new skyscraper to stick all your office workers in, the cost of that is insane. And the rent on these places or the cost of building it, the infrastructure, the upkeep, everything.

I think in a lot of these cases it's a it's footprint there's there's tax uh implications as well right like you know like even uh like some some some really big cities like like new york for example like when they when they were running out of money or or or in in a in bad shape or whatever they offered tax incentives for building work to be done in places like Manhattan or whatever. And people who bought property were subject to tax incentives and stuff as well, just to sort of boost the economy,

like boost the city's economy or whatever. There's a lot of implications like that as well. I mean, a company there's a lot of implications like that as well i mean a company that makes a ton of money and is as highly financially successful uh will have a reason for um seemingly wasting a lot of money right like i'm sure they know what they're doing a lot of it is prestige like a lot of it is i don't know we can't have our offices out in the middle of nowhere every everything will have nobody everything will have a you know like a huge benefit to it if they're doing it right like yeah but the benefit is i think it is

very rare that they'd just be doing something like yeah let's just waste money today all right ron yeah let's do that no problem we're just gonna waste money no but it's it's not a waste it's not i think it is i think it is wasting money it's it's like having a rolls royce and a rolex you know but why do you have skyscraper why do you have that you know you have exactly you have them to show off you have to be daunting it's like the whole reason the church used to be you know had all this incredibly elaborate extra stuff you know you don't need to have massive spires and you know go gigantically into sky but you want to show the power of god and you want to show the power of these companies

that are infallible that you should buy into them you should like if you have guys in as potential clients you were talking about selling stuff yeah if you are selling your services as a company and they come to a few different companies and one of them is located right on the strand in a really nice offices or or in in canary wharf in at the top of the building yeah you'll go to those places and think, wow, it was really impressive. If my office is located in Doncaster... Or Slough, in the basement of a nail salon. No offense to Doncaster, yeah.

And just beneath a nail salon and next door to a fish and chip shop, and you're like, oh, yeah, come in, mind out for the air conditioning, it's a bit rattly, you know. You'd think, who the fuck are these guys? Even if their service is the same, people aren't going to...

It's the reason banks have such impressive facades at the front of a bank it it it it makes you think this bank is here to stay and trustworthy it's funny though isn't it it's like uh there's degrees of that too though because like um i feel i i feel like that stuff is important for almost like cold call clients right like if you're if you're in a business where you're you're trying to appeal to like a client that you've never met before based on like no recommendation or whatever absolutely you have to have like a nice front right like you need to have a like a nice office and like you know professional like well-presented looking staff and stuff like that yeah and a big big tit secretary sure but then but on the other

hand i feel like if you're uh if you're like in a business like uh like organized crime for example like where where a lot of your customers an italian no like well no but like a lot of your customers are coming through from like a recommendation from another person or or whatever um you don't care about all that kind of stuff right like you could happily run your big successful business from a fucking boiler room or whatever and it doesn't matter you know because the main thing is is that you're you found this way to make money and the people that want to get involved with you also are interested in making money and they don't care about all that kind of stuff right there's there's there's degrees you've also got to attract employees this is the other thing is that people

don't want to work somewhere shit so if you want to hire good people and you're competing with other businesses doing the same thing yeah if you can offer a really nice premises in a nice part of london where people will work or you can offer a basement beneath a nail salon next to a fish and chip shop people will choose your competitor and the good people will go and work for them. They're not going to say, I just love the company. I'm happy to work in this dump. I disagree. I think premises are actually important for reasons that businesses have to impress people,

employees, customers, image. It's like the government having the big Roman-esque pillars, buildings, It's like the government having the big Roman-esque pillars, buildings, the federal buildings in America are all built in the idea of ancient, what we see as monuments that last for thousands of years, even though these things were built 50 years ago or whatever. People want to have the impression of power and have the impression of strength. Yeah, exactly. So if we replace that need to have employees work from home, it the impression of yeah exactly so if we replace that

need to have employees work from home it doesn't matter where your business is located the company i think most companies would say awesome we don't have to have this huge cost that we otherwise had to have i mean you'd still need an office somewhere but it could be smaller or you could do what a lot of places do and just have an office building that's like if you need office space we'll rent it to you on a need basis like i work for the place i think that's what's happened with the modern tech company so the modern tech companies have this sort of playground don't know they have this idea that there's a campus or googleplex facebook yeah and there's loads of different companies all based around one they have this kind of university attitude towards and social attitude towards their

um work area um well those people those guys have huge amounts of money. It definitely used to be that the old school way of doing it was mega, or even it fits in. If you're a bank, you have to have a mega tower block in the business center. Whereas if you're like a tech company, you have to be slightly out on the suburbs and have like a 100-acre cool playground um you know cool playground with a with a kid's

crash and a dentist and you know do you know i mean you have like all the stuff for your for your stuff i don't know it's it's i i think it's but that's almost like this thing where you invite someone over or a client and you have this prestige you i think they when you when a company has has so much money they have to almost force to spend like like certain places football stadium certain places really depend on it as well though like uh like flax is saying like imagine going to get some like uh like some representation from like a law firm or something and like like looks really matter in that in that case right like you want to go to like a really swanky office where people are like well-dressed and professional and stuff because if you went to a place and

people were just wearing like hawaiian shorts and fucking flip-flops and stuff hey dude what's up what's that a libel claim okay like you know it's certain certain things need to be a certain way kind of shit you get in a movie right you get that you get that that lawyer who is like the big lebowski type guy yeah who turns out to be an actual absolute legend yeah and he crushes all these guys in suits with his unorthodox way sure but you know but you gotta take that chance which a lot of people probably aren't up for you know it? It's like, I just want a will. I don't need you to...

All right, dude. Yeah, well, do a will. You know, death is all in the mind, dude. None of us really die, man. Yeah, so there's definitely certain professions where, you know, I don't know if it would work so much like that they're at home all the time you know like i wouldn't want to do for instance i know we have to now during a pandemic but like um you know post pandemic uh you know if if things go back to normal or whatever i certainly wouldn't expect to be doing a zoom call to like uh a lawyer for again for example or like

uh even really a doctor you know like i know that like things that it's possible and and people do it and stuff but there's just certain now hold the camera between your legs there's certain people that you want to speak to face to face and you don't want them to be um you know um not not sort of like traditionally presentable if you know what i mean like i think that attitude could change it could yeah younger people would would think differently i don't know i just i maybe just because i'm so conditioned to uh seeing like my doctor wearing like a shirt and a tie and stuff like that it'd just be i don't know if you went in to see your doctor and he was just like you know bumming around like you know i think a doctor over zoom is the weird one i think for me

but i've i've most of my contacts with with lawyers and um advisors and tax people is all done on on voice chat and has been for a long time actually now but there's still times where you have to meet these people face to face i think the only people I have to meet in real life are dentists and hairdressers. One out of two for me. One out of two. I'll go for the dentist on that one. Dentist as well. Imagine you turn up to your dentist and he's just like fucking shaggy from Scooby-Doo.

Or if he did it over Zoom. All right, open your mouth right near the camera. All right, now take the pliers. Throw it back. No, no, that one next year huh yeah now inject the needle into your gums yeah that's it that would be that'd be pretty grim i'd give it a go make sure you floss so you need to floss more it's like oh no i reckon the dentist could do it on zoom just tell you to floss a bunch and sort of complain about you for not cleaning your teeth once we have robots they could just interface with your house robot and he could do the dentistry

overseen by the dentist i don't know i'd have to be very i don't know if i'd trust it's fucking weird isn't it all that metal in my mouth i don't like certainly don't like same with like same with jobs where there's where there's uniforms like um you know like like police officers um you're like people who drive ambulances and stuff yeah you know like like police officers um you're like people who drive ambulances and stuff yeah you know like imagine imagine they i know there's obviously there's there's parts of the police where they don't wear a uniform or whatever but like well they have a different uniform don't they or more more of a smart uniform yeah that's right but like it's you wouldn't you wouldn't read i suppose you would see policemen dressed like a bit more casually depending.

But like, the uniform brings with it some. Oh, it would be weird. Some like, some authority, some things that you just can't really replace. I can't. Yeah, it's the great leveler. It's a great homogenizer. For schools, it's good because, you know, it makes all the kids equal. You know, the poor kid, the rich kid have to dress the yeah you know it's a good it's a good thing to have in that environment

when otherwise you'd get people being picked on unfairly yeah um and it went in in in the police and stuff like that it have wearing the uniform is part it almost puts you into the rule book it's almost like you're putting on the rule book that says you know you have to behave and act in a certain way and it makes you puts you in that frame of mind so yeah it obviously is very important to have these things we've had we've had some some fake police around our area lately really yeah so one of the one of the things that twickenham is very well known for is bike theft. Bike theft. Oh, bike theft.

I was going to say the rugby. Sadly not. It's like the bike theft capital of London. That's what I think of when I hear Twickenham. I know. That's what you should think about. We are literally the bike theft capital of London. This area is rife with bicycles and therefore with bike thieves.

So more bicycles, more bike thieves. But anyway um there's a lot of them around and i know that one lived on our road right uh oddly enough um and she a bike thief yeah she she stole 50 bicycles before the police were finally like all right we're gonna have to lock you up for this and i was like wow so it took 50 50 bikes before they arrived on bikes to lock her up i hope so then they took her away on a bike they were like on the back of a tandem that would be well they just stick her on the tandem locked that's handcuffed to the you better pedal or you're only making it worse you gotta build a case so you gotta you gotta chase the money you know what i mean you can't just you can't just turn up to her house and just arrest her with no evidence or

whatever like if you're gonna if you're gonna bring a case to court and bring that first thing You can't just turn up to her house and just arrest her with no evidence or whatever. If you're going to bring a case to court and bring that person, you've got to make sure they go away for a long time, right? Yeah, they call her a bunch of times. You've got to get the wire taps in. She's been caught and cautioned and all the rest of it. Like the wire, but for bike fees. You've got to get the wire taps in. You've got to do the surveillance and stuff.

I'm sure they had lots of pictures of her on on record and she'd probably been arrested two or three times for nicking bikes hey she was a heroin addict she was a heroin addict so she was no jenny you you done that thing you done that thing you get that thing yeah i got it for the 50th time got another one i think they're on to me, finally. They might be listening. Use code words. So these fake coppers turned up just wearing, they were wearing regular clothes, but with like a vest, like a sort of white,

not white, one of those sort of high-vis vests that said police on it. Right. Two blokes, and they knocked on my neighbor's door, and they're like, yeah, we're just in the area to check about bikes,

stuff, so if you could show us your bikes to make sure they're locked up, then, you know know that'll help yeah well that's a that's a good one isn't it that's like um you know like sometimes fake police so they do fake they do that with uh fake firefighters as well don't they so that they can get into your house and and scope it out but uh pretend that they're looking at your fire alarms and stuff i wouldn't i wouldn't be on the outlook for fake if a policeman came to me i'd just keep shitting myself you just say can i see your warrant card or you call is it one one one i don't want to be rude like that i'm not gonna be a rude guy i'm not

suspicious i would i would i would not let somebody into my house with like that wasn't already uh organized sort of thing if somebody turned up and said uh we're going to come in and look at something or whatever i'd be like yeah i need to i'm going to phone your station and just make sure that you're here for that reason i don't even know that you're here the meter guy and yeah i don't even let the meter guy in i'll be like what do you need he's like the readings from your electricity meter i was like all right wait here and i'll get a chair up and look up at the thing and i'll read it to him but i'm not letting him in no it's a stranger yeah you never let a stranger in exactly the only people that are coming into my house are people that i've phoned specifically and said can you come into my house and i'm

expecting them but like if somebody then there's a record if somebody turns up and says i need to come into your house there's no fucking way you're coming in my house damn right you liar god this reminds me of something that happened to me um this week so somebody came into your house no i was walking along um down bristol um harbor and there's this little bit where there's um a little sort of pedestrianized road and it was it was fairly busy and there were quite a few people walking up and down most of them wearing masks some some of the kids running around and stuff anyway it's not supposed to be any cars on there this sort of car had driven down and it was sort of a kind of i mean if it happens then you know you're just gonna put up with it right even though he's not really supposed to be there um and he was like

and it was sort of it was he was sort of jerking forward and revving the engine and like beeping his horn at people just being a real arsehole right he sort of i think i think i was sort of jerking forward and revving the engine and like beeping his horn at people, just being a real arsehole. Right. He sort of, I think, I think I just sort of ignored it and walked on. And then he like drove up almost like right up behind me and sort of beeped me. And so I walked around to the driver's window and I just said in his face, fuck you, you miserable old fuck. Did you? I said that straight in his face fuck you you miserable old fuck did you i said that straight in his face and he

like he was this sort of sour-faced old man and he just gave me this he sort of put the put his foot on the brake very subtly as if to stop and like pull up and um stopped as if he was going to get out of his car and so i took this sort of step back you know assuming he was gonna side i'd kind of said my piece i wasn't going to continue yeah i've said my piece fuck you i sort of i sort of took my took my step back and i walked between these there's these little bollards you see so he couldn't have driven his car through the bollards right nice um so i knew he wasn't gonna right in the back of my mind he's gonna run you over it was it was a very snap decision um and i didn't i didn't really i sort of i lost control of myself a bit really because i don't know why you know sometimes that happens it does happen especially if someone's being a twat and you've

seen it and it sort of triggered me and i thought it was almost like he did it once and i thought i'm not gonna say anything and they did it again and i was like i'm not gonna say anything and then it's like sometimes that happens right like like Like, like classically, you know, I don't know, someone's being noisy out the window and they're like, okay, if they, if they're noisy again or doing something they shouldn't be doing again, I'm, I'll say something. And then you don't okay. Cause that's the second time. And then the third time you're like, well, I didn't say anything last time. I'm going to say something now. And it takes, I'm not really that I'm feeling a bit anxious about it now, it was it was this

moment that triggered me and i was instantly like on edge after i'd done it and i was worried that he was gonna get out of his car and chase me or something but he was this old fucking guy and i knew he wasn't gonna you know if he if he came for me i could just sort of keep it keep at a distance were you close to any large bodies of water you could have dealt with in traditional fashion? Well, anyway, I thought that was an interesting moment that happened at the weekend. So did he just drive off? He just drove off, yeah. Did you do a double take and you realized, oh shit, it's my personal trainer after all these years.

Hey, fuck your mother too! He was just trying to get my attention. What if he went down the window and said, oh sorry, I just trying to get my attention what if he what if he went down the window and said oh sorry i just wanted to say i love the triforce podcast and i have a tiny penis you'd be like yeah do you imagine that imagine you'd been really rude to somebody and then they're like that does happen lovely people do stop me on the street and say that but they're never gray-haired old men um no who are driving like knackered old fucking fiestas or whatever down the wrong way in a pedestrian right street they're usually not those kind of people what i want to

know is i got a fucking ticket for going accidentally into a bus lane for two seconds when i was in bristol how's this lad not getting booked for that he's going down a pedestrian area the wrong way maybe he does all the time it's like the kind of person he has to be arrested a couple of times before the police come around and find all the bikes he's probably like he's probably his car's probably like kramer's like you probably open the glove box and there's just like a billion tickets come spilling out you know he's like it's like some serial like fucking uh offensive driver these assholes do exist yeah i mean they're out there's plenty of them they are out there it's the same kind of people who flaunt the rules like i don't know like like there's a

little bit of um people flaunting the mask rules at the moment and i i get it like you know it's okay you have to wear a mask in shops but not if you're eating not if you're having a takeaway not if you're in a queue for a coffee or any of these other there's all these it's a bit weird it's not really really a lot of clarity coming out of uh the leadership but i'm i'm happy i think in general like getting people to wear less masks so i wear masks and stuff more and be more aware of their health meant it's probably going to mean that lots less other infectious disease and that's good because you know i probably would have had a cold by now or something anyway this this summer someone would have given me something you know because do you think it's going to affect our our ability to fend off things like colds i don't think that's how it works is it i don't think we build up that much in me i think i think getting something i think you're better

and then getting immune to it is like not going to make you less likely to get the one next one i think every cold virus is different right because they say that if the virus is different kids that aren't exposed to like dust and dirt and germs early on in their life tend to be the ones that develop things like asthma and tend to get sicker because their body they haven't exercised that part of their body sufficiently i don't know if that's true but i i don't but if that was if that was the case we'd have this sort of period of time where you'd have to be like, okay, it's time for you to get another sickness, Mr. Forsythe.

You haven't had your yearly dose of a cold this time. Maybe once you're an adult, your body's already just like, we know what we're doing. Yeah, once you're not a toddler anymore, I think your immune system's usually developed. And if you eat properly and make sure you do a little bit of exercise, I think you'll usually be as good as you're going to get. Not only that, but washing your hands properly is a huge thing. I always do. I don't understand why people don't.

Well, they don't. I'm not even sure the old snake venom thing is true. Is that like an urban myth? Can people make themselves immune to snake venom over time? I don't know. Cary Elwes did in Princess Bride. He developed an immunity to why I came powder. I want to know if that's true.

What other things can you do to make yourself immune? Certainly people who drink a lot can build up a tolerance to alcohol and drugs, I guess, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't think illnesses, sicknesses work in the same way. I mean, when you first start smoking, you get a head rush from the nicotine and all the rest of it. But with time, you need more to get the same effect. Your body wants to get back to that point

where you're getting a head rush off the first one. I think that's just damaging your serotonin receptors or whatever, though. I think they've been desensitized and damaged. I think that's less to do with building up an immunity and more like sanding off sharp edges of your brain. Oh, by the way quick fuel update i've been on it for a week now right okay how's the diarrhea it's no none no none none how have how have your stools been in general just um i i i'm pooping less right i'd say once a day

right um and wait you pooped more than once a day before yeah sometimes yeah not every day but sometimes yeah um and i'd say generally i'm a morning pooper you know what i mean i get up Wait, you pooped more than once a day before? Yeah, sometimes, yeah. Not every day, but sometimes, yeah. And I'd say generally I'm a morning pooper. You know what I mean? I get up, have my cup of tea, and then maybe 20 minutes, half an hour after that, I'm ready to poop. The cup of tea or coffee usually triggers the poop. That's the trigger.

And nicotine as well is a big – It happens when you're getting older. You become more regular. I don't think anything triggers my poop. getting getting older you become more regular yeah i don't think anything triggers my poop like my i'm i'm i feel like i'm fairly regular like kind of the sort of the same time every day and then some days i go and i and i don't have a poop you know like you sometimes there's like a day between or whatever have you do you notice that you're like i'm pooped today only only thanks to this conversation have i noticed that i didn't poop yesterday right but i mean it happens but uh pooping twice a day that's like pretty rare for me it it it has

happened but it's pretty rare like um i don't know what the right i think both of them are normal i think probably that's a lot of waste like you're pooping twice a day like you yeah but honestly with with the heel it's once a day it's it's fine and then well it's to do with the fiber though isn't it like so i was talking to um who was i talking to i was talking to someone in the office uh i won't say their name and they said to me oh you know i've been having a bit of diarrhea and i was like oh god you need more fiber in there in your diet and they said to me but I eat fruit and fibre every morning. And I was like,

that's like the most fibrous thing there is. How could you have a problem with fibre and be eating like basically just cardboard? I think if you eat too much fibre, maybe you poop more. Because it's just... Oh. I mean, I think that might be a...

I read a thing that said you literally can't eat too much fiber i don't know where that might be bollocks was that on the side of a box for fruit and fiber maybe this is the age-old thing though isn't it i don't think you can trust uh people's um claims to like to diet and stuff like that when it comes to this sort of stuff right because you have to know your own no but it happens all the time like hi i've got i've got crippling uh diarrhea and it's and and it's full of blood and uh and it's it hurts really bad and stuff oh yeah what's your diet like perfect i don't know what could be wrong all right okay thanks for that oh i see and then you don't go any further than that and you're

like well what is perfect and they're like well i wake up with a liter of ice cream yeah it's like something is definitely causing this i i'm you know i'm sure it's something that you're doing i hate to break it to you but you know what i mean like but that's cool if your diet's perfect don't change anything just live with diarrhea forever that's that's cool too i guess like it's just like it's such a weird well no but i just didn't i didn't know what to say then when he said that he ate like three or five or every morning because i i'm pretty sure i could be wrong but that's got a lot of fiber in it right i mean it's in the name i mean i know how these guys like can lie to you and stuff but what else was i supposed to say was this would say oh yeah try try replacing your lunch

with a dry wheat a bit like i don't know how else do you get more you can get diarrhea from being dehydrated as well right maybe he's can you maybe he's a bit dehydrated yeah you can i thought it was the opposite yeah that's the opposite no i think i think when you're dehydrated you can get some diarrhea as well i mean i'm not sure i don't know i'm not a doctor i'm just no i don't think that's true none of us are what we need to do is get a doctor on zoom and ask can you get di uh di please please don't please do not message us guys this yeah we don't want to know about all this we don't want to know that we want to know about where you are listening to the trifles podcast if the body loses a substantial amount of fluids and salts

and they are not quickly replaced, for example, by drinking, the body starts to dry up or get dehydrated. Severe dehydration can cause death. The usual causes of dehydration are a lot of diarrhea and vomiting. Yeah, because that dehydrates you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think dehydration causes diarrhea. I think it's the other way around, yeah. that's some medieval medicine right there like cholera and

stuff diet diarrhea can cause dehydration which means the body lacks enough fluid to function properly dehydration particularly dangerous that would be a medieval doctor the problem here is too much water yeah yeah that's what the diarrhea is you need to rub some mud all around the hole of your dick. Eat this pound of salt and lie in a bed of sand in the sun for two days. What we'll do is, you've got too much liquid in you, so we'll get some of the blood out of you with these leeches. We'll cut your wrist open and we'll just put you in the warm bath. Okay, what causes diarrhea?

so put it we'll just put you in the warm bath okay what causes diarrhea my many viruses cause diarrhea including norovirus and rotavirus link viral gastro Wikipedia doctor my friend in the office gastroenteritis is a common cause of acute diarrhea bacterial infection several types of bacteria can enter your body through contaminated food or water and cause diarrhea. I guess that's still happening, isn't it? Absolutely. It could be something as simple as if they drink from the same water bottle every day if it's not clean. It could be a myriad of things that they're doing as part of their routine that seem harmless, but they actually need to stop them. Diet is probably the last thing that you should really look at when it comes to diarrhea because it's more like a virus thing i think oh right well he said it was light light diet it wasn't sometimes it can be an imbalance in the humors you've got to keep the humors balanced

what uh okay so hang on so it wasn't you need to lick a new it wasn't full diet what like what is your guys sort of line that crosses where it's like 100 full diarrhea i'm having to run back and forth to the toilet i think i'm finished i can't go back like as soon as you every time i need to go and it just and it absolutely sprays out of your ass as well right yeah it's not just like it hurts like you get those cramps yeah and you just you shiver and it's like it's not just like a bit runny or like it doesn't look like a chocolate mousse or whatever this is like pure water this is literally just a gusher i think a chocolate mousse is okay yeah that's that's that's that's my sort of ideal diarrhea it's

okay to have like a chocolate mousse but if it's like always always a chocolate mousse yeah it can get i think a chocolate mousse is pretty normal but like anything shout out to everyone listening to this whilst eating their chocolate mousse have fun i don't want to get i don't want to get too personal but i don't know what i've been doing recently okay maybe it's just been a combination of like good hygiene decent uh decent enough diet bit exercise or whatever stress you know surrounded by a loving family my poops have been sunshine fantastic rainbows like they just come fantastic they just slide out like a torpedo in the tube of a submarine they just slide right out no problem i go to wipe my ass and i didn't even need to honestly it's clean no that's called a ghost poo yeah oh no that's not that's called

no that i think that's a ghost direction a ghost poo is one where you go to the toilet and poop but then you look in the bowl and there's nothing and you wipe and there's what is a like it wasn't even there poop yeah what is it ghost poop ghost poop one that slips down the kind where you feel like the poop come out but there's no poop in the toilet a clean poop the kind where you poop it out see it in the toilet but there is nothing on the toilet paper its most noticeable trait are the skid marks on the bottom of the toilet yeah that's true actually that happens it's like a footprint but i prefer the skids to be on the on the bottom of the toilet then under the water um in my in my ass on the toilet paper or even worse you know i'm glad we i'm glad we got around to this

eventually you know we've come back to our roots every once in a while when you're you're walking around and you're just like all of a sudden your inner ass gets really itchy and you're like oh shit i hate an itchy ass it's just like there's probably like a bit of poop in there causing this this itch right because what else is going to cause the itch on your inner ass a tiny tear could be a tiny tear on the inside of your butt sometimes one really small molecule of poop just like causing the irritation you know my dog that you know what my dog suffers with this she does a poop then there's a tiny bit more to come out and she's like scuttling around in that poop stance that dogs have she's trying to walk because she's like i know i'm nearly finished but they pull their asses on the ground like to scratch that's if they have worms they do that they do that when they have worms yeah i did that the other day i don't think i

have well you just scratched your ass on the ground yeah you've got worms now buddy you should try doing that actually i think they should do that as like a yoga move or something because that shit is hard to pull off like it's it's really hard to put your ass on the ground and pull your ass like that. I don't think yoga is about finding moves that are hard to pull off. No, but I feel like if you're going to do yoga, you might as well do something at the same time, you know, like more bang for your buck.

Well, yoga is all about that. Yeah, okay. I'm working on my yoga, but I'm also able to scratchch my you know scratch my inner ass at the same time do you think that they sit around and come up with new moves for yoga like is yes is there like yoga yoga progress it's a big it's a big industry now so you get a lot of a lot of people who are involved in it will like do their own sort of brand of yoga full of people who are just sitting around coming up with new yoga moves.

No, the way it works is that you do like a yoga position and then there is a more advanced version of that where you can tap into other muscles as well. Right, what I'm saying is, are people literally like, is there some kind of a yoga retreat somewhere where they're like, we need to exercise this muscle. We need a yoga style move for this you're gonna have to have a level five clearance for this they are working on a new move in there

that is strictly top secret you cannot know what you've heard of downward dog now itchy butt dog top secret yoga bunker in the in the middle of farting is like a quite common thing in yoga classes it is very common you just have to accept you just if it happens to you just don't don't worry about it i went to a hot yoga class a few years ago you ever done hot yoga yeah i have it was horrendous the heater was the guy was like i'm sorry the heaters are broken we can't turn them down so they're like at max but he's like but you'll be all right and after it was like i thought it was a one hour session the one hour sessions i could do uh this was an hour and a half session that extra half i can't even do half an hour oh my god it was so rough like i'm not kidding that my yoga mat the

water was just pouring out of me like i was drinking i had i had to refill my bottle twice you they were like did you have diarrhea when you got home no i didn't i was fine but it was literally the water was i could see it just pouring off it was like that gif of the guy sweating key and peel you know it was literally like that and i looked around and there's all these it was me and a bunch of ladies basically and one dude, the dude was like stripped to the waist ripped. I was like, whatever, dude, I'm in this baggy old t-shirt and I'm doing,

I'm doing my poses and all the rest of it. And the instructor is constantly having to adjust me. And I was like, Oh, you know, she's like, no further down. Yeah.

So, but, but it was so hard. It was horrific. And then I had to cycle home and I got home and I was just like dead. And Mrs. F was like, I know that was an hour and a half and i didn't tell you she booked it she was like it was a free session i could book you she's like she tortured you yeah she was like i should have told you it was an hour and a half i said yeah you should yeah you should

because i wouldn't have gone oh my god it was horrible that probably put you in good shape for the next like year though that just that one session yeah i. If I was a better man, I would do yoga every week, a couple of times a week, because it is super chill. And honestly, some of the ladies there are in amazing shape. You need to get like a beer hat, but fill it with Huel, but make it voice activated. So you're just like, all right all right everybody now do a downward dog okay heel just like dispenses into your mouth

oh no because you know what when i got the the heel delivery it comes with the the heel uh sort of shaker and it's like a big plastic thing with heel and massive letters on the side right and it came with a t-shirt. I am wearing a fucking Huel t-shirt. I gave that to my daughter. And I was like, you know, I wondered if I turn up to the yoga with my Huel, I'd fit right in, you know, if I'd lost a bit of weight. But first I'd be like, yeah, I'm on the Huel doing the yoga.

How hot is it? It's not hot enough. I want to be fucking diarrhea and out of my eyeballs. I don't think they would have like the hat with the tubes. It would be like a, one of those harmonica one man band things when you snort it off of that. Snorting my heel. Yeah.

The water's a waste, man. I just, I just, I V it straight up the nose. Yeah. Shut up the nose. Fuck.

Oh, it gets it straight into the bloodstream. So someone on stream said that people call heel protein, which I thought was quite protein. I like that's nice yeah yeah hey um you were on uh you were on pitch please last uh last time they did a pitch please yeah well guess who's doing pitch please oh today it's fun please is our sister podcast about gaming uh where you pitch your ideas for games yes and they talk about whether or not they're possible it's a great podcast um it's on all good platforms i feel

like i'm gonna be a bad guest though because i'm just gonna pitch the same game that i've been banging on about for like a year now alaska bros in alaska right yeah that's the one in alaska so um they're very they're very cool. They know about game development. So they'll be like, they'll suggest stuff or what's the hook or this, that and the other. They really liked my game,

which was really nice. So I was happy with that. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. And they're all lovely lads, aren't they? Yeah. It's super fun.

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