Triforce! - Triforce! #148: Golden Age of Advertising

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

Triforce! Episode 148! Pyrion lets loose a legendary rant about unoriginal advertising, Sips has a scary dream and Lewis admires some poison letters! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome back. One of the best. Great intro. Hello, everybody. Hello. Like an old Hello, everybody. Hello. Like an old lady coming down for breakfast. He's trying to listen and talk at the same time. I think Sips was trying to say something on top of me. Yeah, it was, yeah.

It was like a speech jammer. You just jammed me in the middle of the intro. Jamming your radio. Welcome back, everyone. What have you been doing? How have you guys been? Man, do you know what? I have been playing probably way too much path of exile but i'm again i'm really enjoying it i've been really enjoying playing an action rpg again and i think

path exile's really really really good and in the sense that it's vast and it's it's free to play as well there's lots of stuff very addictive it's very addictive it's free to play as well. There's lots of stuff you can do in it. It's very addictive. It's very addictive. I had to quit. Yeah. For sure. I'm liking it for now, though.

I was looking for something to get stuck into, you know, and it's nice to be stuck into something. I don't know if you guys have those, like, my life is sort of like waves, right? Like, I'll have these waves where, like, I'll be really into something, and then I'll sort of come like you do we do waves right like i'll have these waves where like i'll be really into something and then i'll sort of come out of that and then not really have anything that i'm into and that's like a low point and then i'll start gradually ramping up towards getting into something again and then i'll like peak and usually peak is me screaming in the middle of

the night at my computer because i'm so mad and frustrated at the game which then leads into like that's another dip where i'm i'm not into anything but like yeah my whole life is like that with games like uh you sort of yeah i get into to something and then i'll play it a lot for a month or something it is it is nice to feel to find a game that you're you're excited for and we'll we'll eat a load of hours for sure yeah um i've been playing hades this week oh yeah that's pretty good it looks actiony and i that was what put me off was like i know him bad with that kind of thing yeah it's brilliant you don't have to it's not it's not too actiony it's quite forgiving in a sense that it's quite graphically it's um it is diablo-esque though isn't it fast well it it is fast, but also in the sense that, like, because it's so graphically beautiful,

you don't necessarily always have to... It's not like a bullet hell. You know, you don't have to... You're not expected to dodge everything or react to everything. Yeah, you can have builds, right? You can build yourself to be tanky or, like... It's like a...

It's an ARPG, right? but it's a roguelike yeah oh it's brilliant you'd love it sips and you probably enjoy it as well let's not let's not beat about the bush it's not for me is it let's be honest i'm surprised that you don't like arpgs honestly you'd be fine with it pflax these things are very forgiving for your old arthritic fingers i don't know if they are i've played a lot of games lately i've played a lot of tarkov lately oh my god you play tarkov and dota these are young men's games pflax and you know you you are a young man at heart you want to be a young man yeah you know you're not game you know you don't have to play artifact which is the dota you need to overclock your zimmer frame flax if you want to play those

games it's just that i feel so slow in those especially talk of like i come around the corner we both shit each other and there's some some fucking sweaty 15 year old just like man i want to say something i want to say something about this because i was i had you on the other night um you were playing tarkov and i was just playing some poe or whatever and uh i looked over and i watched for like a solid like couple of minutes and when i'm playing tarkov i feel like my reaction times aren't too bad and stuff but if i were to go back and watch my footage i'd probably have the same thing i realized with you and that's that noticeably your reaction times are oh really really slow like it's unbelievable

though but i i would be the same if i look back on my footage it would be the exact same and i think it is that we're older right you just you do lose that that you really do time like it's especially in the last few years it's it's become genuinely noticeable yeah how how much my reactions are well well we know how we respond on this sometimes i don't even get a response to things i've said on this podcast you know so i i know firsthand yeah but that's because we tuned out that's not bad reaction yeah that was uh that wasn't a bad react well it was a bad reaction for you actually i suppose kids zone out way more than oh my god do they ever holy crap okay get

time to get your shoes on and they're like cartwheeling around the okay it's you have to get your shoes on we're gonna be late and then they're like fucking off painting or something it's incredible selective how the hell is this happening i've literally been walking behind my daughter my youngest especially up the stairs i'm like you're gonna brush your teeth yep i'll do it right now okay she gets to the top of the stairs yeah and then she's organizing her pokemons doing something else i was like whoa whoa whoa you were gonna brush your teeth oh oh yeah yep, I'll do it right now. Okay, she gets to the top of the stairs. Yeah, and then she's organizing her Pokemon. She's off doing something else. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You were going to brush your teeth. Oh, yeah. Goes in the bathroom, closes the door, comes out. I was like, did you brush your teeth? Oh, yeah. I was like, what the fuck are you doing in there? It's because it's not rude to them, right? Like ignoring people, maybe.

I don't know, like for us as adults, like if you don't listen to someone it feels rude it does um yeah so like but i don't know if that's the same for kids they don't care i think i think it's because i was thinking about this the other day they have to tune out all day long yeah like if you imagine the average conversation that i'm having with another adult they can't follow it when they're little so they just get used to your voice being like in the peanuts right like that's all that you sound like so they just tune you out i think of you guys a lot yeah and they're in class all day i mean geez in school i definitely tuned out

they have that's pretty much making a reaction times those children have a uh like a delayed reaction time as well right because they do when you when you tell them children have a like a delayed reaction time as well right because they do when you when you tell them something it takes like a solid 10 15 seconds for it to actually sink in like their brains are just like going faster than uh like reality it can can allow for sort of thing so like that's more like processing the implications reaction time rather than you know a ball coming at them reaction time though that's like a different yeah but very little kids don't have good reactions no they don't not not not physical reactions no like if you threw a ball at a kid uh they wouldn't even move like it would just hit them right in the face sort of thing like my

eight-year-old is is very good at dodgeball apparently and i i don't know how but she's like a dodgeball champion in her mind right and i'm wondering if it's just because you know that scene in the simpsons where bart throws the frisbee at santa's little helper and it just goes like tonk right into his eyes yeah that's most kids when you throw stuff at them like they can't catch they're hopeless uh it's it's kind of funny to see them playing uh i actually a couple of years ago we were in the park and there was one of the other kids birthday and there was like a 10 versus 10 football match that they organized just in this bit of the park right i was like this is great like me and a couple of the other dads joined

in we were just like standing at the back passing it to the kids it was great fun but they they run around literally it's like some badly coded piece of ai where it's like right we must follow the ball so they're just like this herd of like it's like a triangular wedge of kids just chasing the ball around. But if the ball gets kicked anywhere else, they all sort of pause for a second, then turn and trundle over there, get the recover the ball. It's just, it was, it's so funny to watch. It's like a really bad school of fish. And that's how they play games. They just sort of run around. They just love to be running around. Yeah, they do. Yeah. but that's why when you see a kid who's actually good at football they stand out a fucking mile because they sort of they have that moment where

they put their foot on the ball and put and pick a pass and you think oh that kid's like light years ahead that's like this kid is a genius compared to the rest of these kids it's really funny to see yeah i guess that it and it comes from the parents it has to right like that kid has been fucking playing football with his dad going to football matches with his dad like his dad is just like football molding him yeah big like molding him into like you know the football player he never was or whatever like yeah you see that a lot right my mates um my mates have sons like i think all of my mates actually have have a son apart from one of my mates who's got who's

got a daughter like me i've got two obviously and for whatever reason they're just not into football like i've tried to encourage them they're just not into it okay fair enough but my my other mates all their sons are into football like massively which isn't surprising because all their dads are into football and they go along to these games and they watch them play and some of them coach the teams and stuff like that i'd love to do that that sounds like a lot of fun but the teams that they come up against sometimes some some of the some of the the differences in ability is is insane it's like a premier league team playing against a pub team so there's this this one private school that they my mates kids team had to play against that had ties to the barcelona youth academy and like a couple of

other youth academies so these kids apparently this school produces like young kids who might potentially play professional football one day against my mate's son and a bunch of his a bunch of his friends and it was just it was like a slaughter these kids were like on another level and i thought how is that fair that's insane but you've got to you know it's hard enough to organize a game with all those kids and parents and everything so you do what it takes but i was like you're telling me wait a second this school has links to the barcelona and juventus youth academies and you have to play against them these kids are like eight years old it's unbelievable and then this other bunch of kids they got like the list of team names in

there was my mate's son's team name it with all names like you know jack and john and charlie and stuff like that and then the team they're up against is like tarquin farm and zoo forthworth and stuff like that it's like which school is the posh school here it was like oh man what a game that's great what i wonder i wonder how how much that is like i don't know just super super hyper dad dad coach stuff it's not like that it's it's not allowed to be like that like the referees like i know that there's been a big push to make sure that you don't have shouting dad syndrome on the touchline where they're just screaming at the kids and stuff like the referees will come over and say either you stop that or i'm stopping the game and i'll leave you're out of

here i know there's been there's been a big push towards that and blowing the whistle in their face yeah it's just you just can't have it it's such a stereotype isn't it it is it's been a stereotype so long like dad living reliving his dreams through his toddler. It's awful. So I saw my dad this week. I don't know. I can't remember. I don't think my dad really shaped me into anything, particularly when I was a kid.

Well, he formed you with his man batter, though. He was an important component in that shaping process. He did. Like Ghost. He was behind my mother while that shaping process, actually. He did, like Ghost. He was behind my mother while she was molding me out of clay. Jesus! Is that how he did it? He even went into that level of detail.

Wow. You know, I think I turned out okay. I do look a little bit like a malformed lump of clay sometimes. We all do, Lewis. We all do. So anyway, I saw them last week. They came down for some reason. Right.

During these troubling times, they traveled them last week. They came down for some reason. Right. I don't think they had the team for a while. During these troubling times, they traveled down? Yeah. Well, they drove straight down the old motorway from where they are. I said about an hour's drive. Right. And we met up in like a park in Clifton. And we had to walk around.

Right. And we had pizza. It was nice. Yeah, they talked about how, what they're doing and stuff. So, there's a couple of things they talked about, which I thought were interesting. One thing is, my dad, we were talking about family, and my dad's dad died.

He died in the 1960s. And so I sort of said to him, I said to my dad, you know, what did he die of? Because I'm pretty sure he died of a heart attack, at least that's what I was told previously. And my dad said, oh, no, he died of a heart attack. At least that's what I was told previously. And my dad said, oh no, he died of overwork. And I said, he died of overwork. That's like a medieval death register.

Died of poor humors. That's when people used to manually pull plows around fields and stuff. They would drop dead, right? Died because of an excessively gray sky. Died because of a comet. Yeah, because he was too far he was too long since he'd last seen the sea he died of sea longing this man wished only to see the sea if one last time but he could not he lived in that kind of that kind of odd like old-fashioned death cause and so i sort of i wasn't really quizzing him about it but i sort of said uh because i just

assumed it meant just heart attack right um and i was like oh so what did he was he a smoker you know because everyone in the 60s was a chimney chimney smoker and you know he said oh no never never had never smoked a cigarette in his life and i was like oh right so did he drink a chimney chimney smoker and you know he said oh no never never had never smoked a cigarette in his life and i was like oh right so did he drink a lot so oh no he never drank oh was he quite overweight oh no he was as thin and skinny as you and i was like was he too skinny and so i don't know was he like unfit no well no he cycled like 10 miles a day to run the grocery shop i was like yeah but you know what you can you can have like lots of like uh you know blocked arteries you get heart disease and stuff like you know even if you're super

healthy like your diet is a big uh component and all that too right i think this may be what it is because maybe he was just fucking eating like you know bacon for every meal every single day and it just caught up to him you know i think maybe he was i think he had um i think he's my dad's thing is my dad doesn't really know because my dad was doing his national service at the time so my dad was doing that to doing two years of national service because everyone had to do that in the sort of in that sort of period of time yeah what uh what is this in the 60s yeah so like i think my dad was born in 37 so he 83 now. He was in his last three months of it, so he'd done two years and been away from home for two years.

And he'd been stationed in Germany and stationed in other places, so he'd actually been kind of away from home for a long time. I think he popped back occasionally. But it was all very sudden and very surprising. And all he really knew was that his dad wasn't allowed to eat salt. That was one of the things that he wasn't allowed. And I think that's a blood pressure thing right must be someone someone in um in the comments of the reddit thread or whatever can someone's someone's a doctor and they'll tell me

oh this means this oh now you've done it you've opened a real can of worms there but it's it is kind of a mystery and i'm interested in in like just wondering i might i might look into a bit more and ask ask see if i can ask a few more questions because everyone in his family is fine in fact his dad's sister yeah well and the fact that your dad's quite elderly now isn't he he hasn't had any any so my dad's 83 and yeah and his his auntie actually is so his dad's sister was quite young bit younger than him but she she's still going she's 97 wow so yeah so there are like certain members of the family the worst ones are like you hear like don't get me wrong i think having like um you know like a family history of like heart attacks and stuff like that is um is is worrying for sure but the

worst ones are are families who have histories of like um like brain hemorrhages and like aneurysms and stuff like that that's up death that scares the shit out of me you're just like i knew i lived across the street when i was growing up i lived across the street from these these two guys and their dad was like he was like this is the 80s right he was just like this old school blue collar worker, right? He worked like three jobs. He was never home and smoked like a chimney. And just like when he was home, he was just like fucking yelling and angry all the time. God. Because he just worked so much and stuff.

And one day, one of his jobs was he worked at a gas station. And this is back when you had full service, right? Like they would pump your gas or whatever. It was in the paper and everything. He was just putting gas into a car and he just fucking dropped it like right there like just no no warning nothing didn't didn't like didn't tell anyone he was feeling off or anything like that just just keeled over and it was he just he'd had a an aneurysm he just said like that was it which i guess is like a combination i guess they like

something to do with blood pressure and stuff like that yeah i thought it was i thought it was when you got a isn't oh let me look i don't want to get this wrong so let's look well the funny thing is about this chap is that it's an enlargement of an artery caused by weakness in the arterial wall right so the wall gets weak and it pops yeah and then um and i guess you then die yeah which is very scary yeah i mean yeah i mean that's that's a stroke isn't it a similar thing yeah basically yeah but similarly my um my boss when i was working at the bank like when i was programming at the bank uh my my sort of like he was like well like our team leader or whatever he was in charge of like, he was like, well, like our team leader or whatever. He was in charge of like, like 16 of us or something. He was just like sitting down one night watching TV.

And his wife was just like sitting there and looked over like, cause something like funny happened or whatever, looked over at him to like, you know, laugh and say like, oh, wasn't that funny or whatever. And he was just like staring blankly. She's like, what the hell's going on? And he, the same thing, just had an aneurysm. And that was it.

It's awful. He wasn't, he wasn wasn't fully like he hadn't fully passed away at that point so they kept him on like um on life support basically he was in a coma and they thought that maybe you know uh he could potentially come out of it or whatever and then in the end it was just like no there's no way and they had to just like pull the plug which is the other night i thought mrs f had died in her sleep oh my gosh i was lying there and i leant over and her arm was was like completely frozen cold geez and then and then i like felt her face and that was cold and i was like oh my god my wife's dead and i leant over and i felt her neck and she went and went back to sleep i always know mine isn't dead because when i finally stroll up to bed at like fucking three in the morning or whatever she's always like

what time is it like she's always like there's always a question like because it's always it's always a relief being told off yeah it's all thank god she's not dead she's telling me off yeah it's great i'm gonna work tomorrow yeah yeah i'm like i love that she's because our kids are still small every once in a while it'll be like oh one of them's been up or like one of them had to take a shit in the middle of the night or so you know what i mean like it's always like some something right so like there's never so so the last time i saw my gran like my nan is in um mental not met well kind of a dementia home now she we've moved her sort of gradually she originally wanted to be in a home so we had put her in a home a couple of years ago um because she actually was like

i don't want to have to cook i don't have to look after this all this stuff on my own kind of thing she's she was actually down for it um but since she's been there she's sort of gradually declined and become more of um not remembering who she is really yeah yeah um or at least being sort of stuck in the past it's very very common sort of typical sort of dementia case anyway i saw her a little while ago during covid and obviously we now have to sort of have our distance and it's sort of so we're talking across this balcony and i'm there quite smart in my leather jacket and so she sort of doesn't know who i am really sort of said to me um hi nana hi bill who are you you young roughneck so so i'm waiting for lewis exactly it's exactly like that and so she's sort of saying to me she's sort of saying things so basically because she

sort of can't really remember what's happened in the last five minutes she had this sort of set introduction of of oh you know what what are you doing here has somebody died has somebody died she's asking me um and so obviously i said oh no no one's died and then a follow-up question is have i inherited anything have i inherited anything she's actually quite excited um that someone might have died or that she might have inherited something she feels like she's convinced herself that that's what's happened so so one of these things that i or at least my mum read was that you were supposed to not necessarily um go along with their delusions uh or dreams but certainly it can't hurt. And also I think,

I like after a little while, after this happened about three or four times, my mum sort of just responded and said, yes, mum, someone has died. Someone's died. And so my dad was like,

Oh, that's quite exciting. Someone's died. Who, who is it? Is it Auntie Josephine? Is it Auntie Josephine? And my mum said,

yes, yes, Auntiephine's died mum that's terrible news and of course auntie josephine died about 50 years ago right right um and nana knows this full well but anyway so she's obviously completely forgotten and so then she sort of she was quite excited and quite perked up so she said oh if i if i inherited anything and mum said yes yes you inherited something and then i said oh have i have i have i inherited the cafe have i inherited the cafe in france that she runs and mum said yes you've inherited the stamina which is the name of the little alcoholic sort of the french word for

the little cafe and then it's like oh i've always wanted to run the stamina oh is is joe still there and mum said yeah sure joe's still there he died again like and so it went into this and so of course my mom's sort of you know me and my mom and my dad are trying not to laugh um and nana was having a sort of great time and and that led her down this path of talking about her time in france and and and what she got up to and how she used i think she she she wasn't born in France. But her mum was one of these French peasants, she always referred to as a French peasant, so my great grandma, during World War One. And she was living in the sort of northern French countryside, where a lot of the war was going through. And when they all got got liberated she was about sort of i think 17 or 18 and a

english truck driver my great great granddad took a took a liking to her and he was obviously a good person to know because he was um in the war in the in the in the war he was a sort of supply man so he had access to food and all these things so he would give the family things when he sort of drove by to the front lines or you know back and forth so anyway after the war france was in a pretty terrible state and their family was dirt poor so they were all very keen for um oh god i know it but i can't remember it now anyway they're very keen for her to go back with him and he obviously went back um with her to to london and she was sort of this french they had apparently they had a terrible shouty but loving relationship you know classic old folks yell at each other because they've been with each other forever and i don't think

she ever really fully learned english or you know i don't know ever really fitted in that it all worked out they had four girls they had a nice time it was fine but but so so this one time my my nan had gone back you know back and forth to the french family and seen these places in france and so she knew they existed and they had this big sort of peasant like french family and so she had all these stories which is which she could remember in crystal clear clarity. It must be so, so strange and horrible. But I mean, I think most of us of our kind of age have had relatives who've had some kind of losing their marbles a bit as they get older. My grandmother did, sadly, towards the end.

But it was just little things like they're out of the conversation because they can't keep up they don't know they don't i'm sure in part of their mind they're thinking who are these people but they kind of understand well they're all in this place but you think how can you remember some old detail about your life but you can't remember who i am like it's so just like those sort of pathways in your in your brain are just like you know like so awful more form than other stuff like my my grandmother who passed away sort of a couple years ago is the same she was like i always got on really well with her i was really close to her growing up and everything and um like i moved and then things just like there was a whole bunch of stuff leading up to

like just like before i moved where she was like clearly, you know, having some like episodes and stuff like that. And then it just sort of progressively got worse. And then she was put into like a, like a retirement home. Like she wasn't really, at that time she didn't need like full care, like full-time care. You know, she was like, she was all right to be left alone sort of thing. care like full-time care you know she was like she was all right to be left alone sort of thing um and you know she didn't like need a nurse on hand or anything like that to help her with like day-to-day stuff but her just her mind was just like just rapidly just going down the tubes you know like i went to visit her and she thought that i was my dad yeah and she thought i was

married to my uncle's wife like you know what i? And it just shows like how muddled they get, you know? I think it's because I think those people, they still have the knowledge of who they are. They can't remember specific facts necessarily, or even like specific history. I think that's the difficulty. They don't, because they know that you're someone they know, but they don't really have a, certainly a memory of,

because we don't realize how much we change from, you know, in 10 years't really have a, certainly a memory of, because we don't realize how much we change from, from, you know, in 10 years or 20 years, how different we look, but, you know, 10 years, you know, to a 90 year old person is a very short span of time really. And, um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not like they are devoid of their personality too. Like often there's still still that that sort of wry smiling sort of laughing joking same person that you knew but sometimes it's those like you said the little things that like indicate that they're sometimes like not they're not who they were they're not fully there but a lot of them still is like they are still it's interesting what's missing i think

of it sometimes like a little bit like a dream where things are slightly wrong but you're still able to react and you're behaving normally in those in the situations you're presented with oh man speaking of dreams man i had a really weird one the other night like it was it was one of those ones that was just i mean it feels like it's like a typical kind of wasn't like a bad, bad dream. But like I was scared in my dream sort of thing. And I actually woke myself up because I was making some weird like, you know, like hooting noise or something. Like I was like going like something like that. But so basically, OK, I was I was streaming.

All right. But I was streaming outside. I had like, yeah. So I had this like camera outside and I was in this like field that was surrounded by kind of like big trees or whatever and i was i was streaming i remember just like joking around like with chat and stuff saying like oh okay watch this like i'm gonna i'm gonna pretend i'm like angry or something like that and so i was like stomping around this field like pretending to be angry uh like doing the like it was like stomping around this field, like pretending to be angry, like doing that. Like it was like it was like something out of Monty Python. You know, I was like doing like this, like silly walk or something.

And like I had my pants hiked up and stuff. And I like in my mind, I was like, oh, fuck, I'm hilarious. Like I'm so funny. Like my stream probably love this right now sort of thing. And so I'm stomping around this field. Then all of a sudden I feel like this sort of like almost like a hand on my back on my shoulder like as i was walking through the trees and then i kind of realized that like the tree was grabbing me like by the shoulder but then quite violently by the shoulder like holding me back and i started like panicking

i was like and then i woke up i woke up in my bed and i was going and it was just like what the fuck where does this shit come from like i can't remember the last time i was in a field like what the where the fuck does that come from you know what i mean like why why a field surrounded by trees and why is a tree trying to grab me it doesn't have to it doesn't have to mean anything it's just oh yeah no it does so the tree is obviously mean anything the tree is obviously twitch chat grabbing you trying to get your attention trying to get me trying to get me to stop doing this stupid monty python routine that's like maybe not too funny what do you place a walking routine is you running through maps in path of exile right okay and the tree the tree grabbed my shoulders chat trying to say we don't want to watch this stupid game you asshole can you play something a little bit more relevant or

like uh you know like maybe some uh phantasm i have got a game i can send you or whatever um i have got tom found a game that he saw some someone else playing he found it i've got a game I can send you. Gregoria or whatever. Tom found a game that he saw someone else playing. I've got a game called Overcrowd a Commuter Map. Yeah, keep meaning to play that. The guy who made it has asked me like multiple times. You should play it. I played it last night for about 20 minutes and I thought this is exactly Sips' kind of game.

Like you've got to place bins, you know, and hire people and design layouts of your station and try and make it efficient and stuff. But it's very pretty to look at. I like the graphic style a lot. And I thought, and it's English. It's like Brixton Road is the name of the station. Everything's in pounds. Right.

So it's like, I just thought, you know, Sips would play this, I'm pretty sure. Oh, I'd probably play that. it's very satisfying apparently kind of i like i love i love games like that but you know when you're just like when you're playing like one thing and you're into it and that's all you want to play well yeah of course you guys know that it's a it's shitty when it's a game that doesn't really break out of it do well like you know like there's certain games that i can play on twitch where i'll have a lot of viewers and i'll feel like oh this is great you know like i'm glad i'm playing this game that everybody seems to like or that i get more viewers because of and i don't even really care that much about viewers but it's just like i don't know it's the

nature of this whole thing isn't it yeah sort of look at that kind of stuff so it always feels a bit weird when you play something that isn't as popular but that look at that kind of stuff so it always feels a bit weird when you play something that isn't as popular but that's what you really want to play you know that it's like a i feel like it's an age-old thing with all this you know that's been my thing with dota for seven years that i've been streaming it or whatever it's been yeah it's terrible to stream terrible they feel like a job right they feel like a grind where and that's partly how it's meant to feel too right like um there's a few which which do feel like they are exhausting but but very satisfying when you you do sort of complete tasks or get to get to things like oh

you breathe out and you're like look all this shit that i've done you know it's it's there's different types of games and they feel differently and you're what you're looking for is you know you want this to find the sweet spot where it feels like something that that is a journey but also people want to come along watch it like i think that there is it is tricky to to i always struggle with it too yeah like what what what what's where's the balance there between my personal happiness well and playing what other people yeah i think it's i think it's again like we always talk about you talk about the ebbs and the flows and stuff like that i think that it's all right every once in a while to just play something that isn't necessarily popular but it's something that you want to play because it just leads on to something

else eventually doesn't it you're like i was thinking you know if i just thinking back to what you were saying a second ago if if i was to get uh senility of some kind or or parkinson's which is alzheimer's alzheimer's yeah i watched my men i watched memento the other day oh yeah yeah couldn't you just write down all this yeah that's i mean that's such a like an extreme like version of it isn't it like yeah but it would be nice to when you wake up or just to have something all the time that says, don't forget, you have Alzheimer's and not everything is going to be clear. And a picture of you saying, don't worry or something. And you'd be like, okay, I've got to bear that in mind.

Yeah, I think the worst thing about it is that you'd be constantly taken advantage of, right? There'd be people out there. Exactly. I mean, that's why you get all these door-to-door assholes. I mean, here's the thing. I'm on this WhatsApp group. I talk about it with chat a lot because I get WhatsApp messages. It's for my road.

Like there's little WhatsApp groups popping up all over the place that are just like super local. I've got one for my youngest daughter's class. So we all talk about like the class reps in there can tell us what's what via WhatsApp. And they can say, don't forget so-and-so is tomorrow. And that's like dress up day or whatever. So it's very handy. And then there's one for our road. And because of lockdown, we started it because it's like this way, if you need something or you need help, you can use this to communicate. And it'll sort of grow a little bit of a community on the road. And it's things like, I've got a spare cupboard if anyone needs it. And someone's like, oh, I was just looking for a

cupboard. Boom. Sort it out via WhatsApp. Right. Very simple. So someone posted something the other day. It's a letter that they received through their mailbox telling people, beware of door-to-door coronavirus scammers. Now it was a single piece of A4 with Met Police at the top, the logo. They had spelled coronavirus wrong it was coronavirus which i thought was quite funny and it said beware kvonorai of scarers like five exclamation marks and then it said from the met police london and it was like telling you to be careful don't let people come to your door if they're looking to test you it's a scam they're not looking to test you for coronavirus and i thought this feels like some piece of propaganda

that someone has produced because first of all the met police don't hand out badly printed misspelled flyers through one person's door on the road um i i didn't see this and second of all i think it's just an anti-corona response thing like some people are just like think i don't know you know there's a lot of sort of fight back against the whole coronavirus thing anyway in the uk i'm sure there isn't the u.s this is another mystery but i'm like why would you believe this i was like this itself looks like a scam they're like oh god yeah my daughter sent me that screenshot so she hadn't received it through the letter through the letterbox her daughter had sent it to her and said oh have you seen this so someone's printed that out taking a picture disseminated it on social media and now people are reading that and thinking oh gosh anyone coming to my door and saying

we're doing like testing for coronavirus so it's a scam on your street actually after all no that because that was that was where i suddenly said it to the street whatsapp as if it was posted exactly and they were like oh no no my daughter got this she was sent it by a friend i was like it's like in my day you used to get uh chain letters this is what it is you're getting this shitty fucking old person chain email my dad still sends it to me exactly they still have chain letters like nowadays it's a generational thing but there used to be actual letters that's the thing is it used to be like you would get randomly in the post a letter and you would open it up and it would say, congratulations, you're part of this chain letter thing, blah, blah, blah.

You must send this to 10 people. Congratulations, you've reached the age where you're now part of a group sharing chain letters. It's exactly the same. It has not changed. I just thought it was really interesting. And also people used to get something called poison pen letters. I'm sure I've mentioned this in the past, where it's like you would get a letter, an anonymous letter from someone just calling you all the names under the sun and saying that you're lousy and no good you have no idea who it was from and i'm thinking that's just social media has now replaced that now you just

get horrible anonymous tweets or horrible anonymous instagram messages and stuff like that or comments on your on your post these people were always out there but this chain letter shit is the same thing someone's made this they printed it out and they sent it they put it on facebook and people are blindly sharing it it's it it's amazing to me so those old people are going to read that and especially if you're senile in some way or you have alzheimer's or whatever or you know you're just losing it a bit they're they're super i mean these people get scammed out of tens of thousands of pounds sometimes these oh it's awful assholes come into their houses they're fucking scum like they're absolute scum it's a it's like an age-old thing though taking advantage of elderly people taking

advantage of sick people like it's awful like there are some real assholes out there for sure those people this is what i don't understand Is there any moment of reflection that these people have? Is there even one moment where they're alone in the dark at night and they think, God, what am I doing? I'm ripping off old people. Or is there, are they literally absolved of all guilt mentally? They just do not see it that way. No, I think that, I don't think they ever think about it. I think that it's just a means to an end for them. Like maybe they just like, I don don't know like i like i think oftentimes people who you know scam people take advantage of people have like problems with addiction and stuff as well they could be sociopaths as well for what they could be genuinely yeah but i i'd like to think that most of these people well i don't like

to think but i i think that like most of these people don't have moments of reflection they're either just like in the middle of of satisfying this urge or need to to be horrible to people or just like hopped up on like drugs or alcohol or whatever you know what i mean so i've read this thing about poison pen letters i've just found right so it's it's been going on forever you are a harpy like it's all like old school stuff you are quite the soul madam so that's that's very that's but actually even in 1914 there's this example where someone went beyond that okay and they started sending letters to other people like churches and self-help groups and other and groups of people saying please send me your free book on

fat reduction here's my address and so they would then send her literature loads of literature about how to lose weight you see what i mean so it's like god can you imagine if you started through your door started coming all this stuff saying it looks like you're a bit portly around the belly i would just assume mrs f would sign me up for something in all honesty i took my son to the um to the like well it's over here it's called the german underground hospital but they've renamed it they've they call it the war tunnels now because i guess it sounds better whatever but jersey was occupied during world war ii and during the occupation which went on for years there was a lot of like uh social trouble right like uh in in in that when the allies invaded france jersey was cut off then from like the nazi supply lines right yeah so basically the

germans fortified up jersey as this fortress island thinking that we would want it back yeah we would really bloody our nose trying to take it back but when but they did they waited till the war finished to uh to liberate it so jersey wasn't liberated till yeah so these poor people had to live with the occupation they had you know all these soldiers over here there was like they ran out of food there was like there was nothing you know like making it to the island because the supply lines were cut off and stuff like that. And as a result, people started going crazy. And there's all, it's interesting because there's all these old letters that they've found of people. And they're kind of like poison pen letters, really, because it's people, it's people just ratting on each other.

And it's awful. And like doing it for favor as well, right? And it's awful. And like doing it for favor as well. Right. They're like, like they'll send something in anonymously to like time as well. Like, it's just people like being really fucking petty, squealing on each other for like all these stupid little mundane things, hoping that, you know, somebody will be like, oh, you know, good spot. Thanks for letting us know here. Here's some steak. you know what I mean? It's just like, it's like that level of, I guess, desperation that just brings out like the worst in people or whatever. But it's really interesting.

Like you always, you think that like, we're kind of sold like, you know, in that era, you know, like the resistance and everybody's band together for the common good and stuff and people are just shitting on each other like all the time like you know i mean like they don't give a fuck it was it's like the uh people talk about the the coronavirus stuff and the blitz spirit and how we've all got to get together and yeah and all that it's absolute bollocks yeah the black then the blackouts that they had to prevent the blitz people were furious about it.

The reason they had to have police going around, these wardens going around and telling people to turn their lights out, is because some people were like, I'm not turning my bloody lights out. I'm meant to read the paper. You know, it's like that actually was the same then. So can we stop glorifying the past just because old people are nice and you think it's clever that they do that though because for the couple of people out there that refuse to obey or whatever it doesn't work on clearly but it does work as like a glue for like kind of the rest of decent society right like because a lot of people will just sort of be like oh better turn

off my lights you know like that's what they want us to do like i don't want to be the odd one out who's all it takes is one guy not to and that's all that's all they need like it's daft i just i just think it's funny like we often romanticize it and say everything was was was fantastic and uh the good old days it was there's always two signs to a coin and i love that i i i'm a i'm well known for being a contrarian who will sometimes take just an argument with someone just just to see yeah what happened that's called being a troll that's yeah i just being an arsehole i can't help it like my dad oddly enough my dad is exactly the same if everybody else has one opinion he'll he'll be like well and he'll have an opposing opinion it's i think i think it's a natural suspicion of whatever the herd thinks is probably yes and honestly it's a pretty good principle because most people are fucking stupid yeah and wrong all the time about everything yeah so i

actually i don't mind the the contrarian opinion because at the very least you're not just going with the flow you must be questioning things to have that mindset so yeah keep it up Lewis yeah just not with me okay because I feel like I am I'm a very unique snowflake with really unique hot takes on that aren't part of like the herd mentality or whatever right and but i'm fragile enough where if you question me on what i believe in or at least what i say that i believe in yes i i my only defense is i would have to start screaming at you because i'm dim so there's this whole there's this whole thread about poison pen letters that i'm reading throughout history. There's this one case where in 1922 and 1923, there was this Englishman called George Maxwell who was indicted for sending scurrilous and obscene letters through the mail.

Scurrilous. Nice. What a word. So over the course of a decade, the handsome 52-year-old Maxwell, who had been styled a gay Lothario, which back then meant serial woman, I guess, had mailed with tragic consequences nearly 150 poison pen letters sexually defaming nine prominent East Coast socialites, although there were possibly as many as 40 women involved there had been homes had been broken up a man had gassed himself a woman had taken iodine and another woman had been driven insane man oh man by his poison pen letters this is what happens one man one man and his poison pen letters managed to do all of this all to wreak all of this havoc so let that be a lesson listeners if you're out there

thinking of doing a poison pen letter yourself don't do it don't do it refrain please please refrain apparently in the case when one of these cases the fam famed novelist Henry de Very Stackpool, who was the author of the critically derided novel The Blue Lagoon, best-selling, 1908, gave rise to this amusing courtroom exchange. Judge, you have written The Blue Lagoon? Witness, smiling, yes. His defense lawyer, my lord, he is not charged with writing that i love this i love this i love this fucking old like english uh stuff you know like the

the whole like i love how like sort of strictly regimented like everything was and it's so fucking stiff it's so fucking stiff isn't it but it's great man it's so fucking funny especially when they have like a really cutting cut down they're just like slaughter some bloke man is not charged with riding the blue goon oh shit man that's some funny shit so i was uh the other day i decided to watch some some television a little bit and i i generally haven't been doing that and what i'll do is i mute the television when the ads are on because they're so irritating and they're always so fucking loud and i'm getting old and i just can't fucking be bothered with it. And I left them on for a bit. And is it me or half the ads have a fucking ukulele in or some jingle jangle music and every half the videos I see on YouTube or the adverse I see on YouTube, it's the same tune. You'll know it straight away. It goes like, it sounds like Sims music.

Ding, ding, boom, ding, ding, boom, boom, boom, boom, ding, doom, bing, bing, boom, boom, bing, boom, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Like that. It's mindlessly jolly. And people slap it over any video or any advert, and they think, this will get it going. And sometimes you'll have a little ukulele. Cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching.

And a lady going, you've got to hit potato dead boy's side with potatoes. Like that. It drives me up the fucking wall. It's infuriating. There's no creativity anymore. And then, I was talking about this with my mate, and we started linking each other.

Classic theme tunes. It's always advertised like some website or something, ukulele music. It's always like, create your own website for next to nothing using exactly space.com yeah exactly so we were like we were sending each other classic theme tunes from 70s and 80s tv shows and at the bbc and at itv they used to have these guys who were composers yeah and they would come up with these theme tunes and they were like can i remember henry man man mancini that he's

the guy did like pink panther and like uh there's a ton of those shows iconic music iconic and nowadays it's just staple and i just think what happened to the creativity there how can we supposedly live in this era which is teeming with creatives who are doing all this fucking you know oh yeah we're creatives there's there's meant there's so many more people who consider themselves creative these days so much creativity going on but you are completely right about homogenized stuff like i remember watching it it's not creative advertising is the opposite of the series of coronavirus tv ads right yeah um and they were all the same they had like sad piano music

we care yeah it was like all these massive same shit we're listening we're there for you and it was like for the family for for all of us working together yeah and it's like the same so just the same mess advertising petrol by making me my advert i want my advertising to be like fucking death metal screaming and then the the message is give me your money give me your fucking money i need more money like just like like a big jab of the hut sitting in a bathtub full of money eating money and and money dropping like on his head as well with death metal playing in the back. I think it's partly people with these companies working in their sandals,

you know, who just want to keep their heads down. They like their cushy sandals job where they've got their standing desk. That's not it. I'll tell you what it is. They just want to just copy what everyone else has done before because their clients won't be mad.

It's not a safety thing. It's how they do their research. because most of the clients are fucking old people who remember things a certain way and still want those things to be right so that's why you get a lot of like copying mostly the clients know what they want and they're like i want an advert like this advert yeah can you do one like this and that's what they do so so mrs f worked at an advertising company she wasn't in the advertising department but she was she saw the creatives every day and they're exactly that bunch of sandal wearing fucking hippies right and they're all they literally just wear whatever they like they swan around with their fancy haircuts they call themselves creatives they

fucking watch youtube all day and they look for the the hot meme videos and they just copy that and that's why... And I've definitely spoken about this before on this podcast, 100 fucking percent. Do you remember OK Go? The band OK Go had a series of videos. Oh, yeah, yeah. Very coordinated.

They hop about and they dance, and the video is, like, hyper choreographed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And about 18 months to two years after that, you saw adverts with that same shit in. So some video had this jingly jangly music on two years later every fucking advertisement that you see is the same shit because all they've done is seen that on youtube and it takes two fucking years to put together these shitty ads

somehow so it all looks incredibly dated because the advertising execs have it goes from the creatives quote unquote yeah up to their manager, who then has to sit on it for six fucking months for some reason. He hands it over to some other bunch of twats. Then they have to go and do research on it, go back and try again, more research, go back and try again.

Then they finally release their precious jewel into the wild. It's an advert for fucking a shoehorn. Oh, will it succeed? Who gives a shit? Just put the ad together. There's no good ads anymore they're all fucking awful you even watch the fucking how the fuck are we talking about oh christmas is coming the new m&s advert will be out fuck off it's gonna be the same as the last one tug on your heartstrings a dog on a trampoline a penguin who's lost his nuts in an

industrial accident it's just the same shit is that it is that same shit every year i fucking hate it i hate people make it it's like news as if the john lewis advert is going to be broadcast that you know yeah john lewis eastenders at tea time today it's like fucking people are set your alarm with their fingernails i know it's stupid this is but You've got to look at it with a sort of wry smile, though. Sometimes it's kind of, like, warming, you know? It's comforting to see that the same old shit isn't changing, you know? In this world of crazy different interesting times, some things don't change, you know?

We need those anchor points sometimes. So, Hoffmeister Beer used to have a guy dressed up as a bear right sure and he had a yellow jacket on and a trilby iconic character for a shit beer people drank hoffmeister because they liked the bear that's an advert it's hoffmeister that horrible white beer yellow pages yes i'm looking for a book by jr hartley do you guys remember that advert? Yeah, of course we do. Iconic, right? Huge advert. Nowadays, it's all the same. It's all just jingle jangle shit, a gently spoken soft voice, and they really try to make you sad. There's no laughing in ads anymore. It's the same boring shit every time. And every family, like every advertising company has focus grouped the shit out of it. It's like, all right, let's have a family that's so diverse,

it looks like those old Benetton a family that's so diverse it looks like those old benetton ads where you thought give me a break we know what you're doing you guys don't actually care about diversity you're just trying to shoehorn in every possible category you can to look hip they don't care stop watching the adverts mute the tv go do something else and that and my next rant is about brit box can we we talk about that? Sure. No, keep going. You're on a roll. I'm in. I'm on board.

Stop watching adverts. BritBox. Do you guys know what BritBox is? My wife wanted to get it, yeah. Do you know what it is? We didn't get it, though. No, I have no fucking idea what it is. So it's basically a streaming service that the BBC and ITV have got together

to horn in on some of that sweet Netflix money. They think they're going to compete with Netflix. This costs a lot of money to set this shit up. It's available in all these different countries. US, Canada, UK, Australia. That's where it's out at the moment. Get this. These are the shows, okay?

Initial programs on US launch, okay? These are the fucking shows. This is for the US, though, right? This is the US launch. Casualty. Coronation Street. EastEnders. I mean, these are all cultural programs for the u.s though this is the u.s launch right casualty coronation street yeah eastenders i mean these are all cultural programs that americans will not understand who is paying to watch holby

fucking city tell me who i don't even get to watch casualty yeah who's who's paying for this it's got to be like expats right it's got to be people that miss, right? It's got to be people that miss home. I assume so. Like, it must be. But that can't be your target market. Nobody in the US who's already snowed under by, like, fucking billions of American shows on network TV. It's like asking who's buying flat caps still, right? Some people are buying flat caps. There's a market for flat caps. I want to know, if you're an American or a Canadian or you're what you're listening to this stupid fucking podcast right now you tell me

if you subscribe to brit box to watch holby city let me know because i i want to know how many people out there are doing that even like and then there's all these other shows that i actually quite would like to watch again like for example a bit of fry and lorry classic show right but i've got to now fucking pay for this shit i fucking pay for the first time around my license if you want me paying for it again it's bullshit yeah i mean should have should have recorded it on dvd i haven't got a dvd player anymore who the fuck is a dvd player anymore i still have one i don't my kids have a computer that they like to watch still like um they got a disc man okay they got they have a disc from like

three years ago of this thing called the battle of flowers over here which is basically a parade right it's a parade where they they make floats out of flowers and it's like it's this like age old tradition over here whatever that's quite sweet but anyway there's a dvd that they release every year with like the latest one or whatever and they just it's just footage of like the floats going down the road with like some music playing and shit like that um and for some reason my kids love it like they fucking love they watch that shit over and over and over but there's nowhere there's no other way they can watch it right like it's just on a dvd it's just like on a disc so we still have a dvd player like just for i suppose i could use the

xbox i could play things on the xbox didn't i but i've got to get downstairs fucking oh i don't have like uh i don't have a disc drive at all on my computer like i just don't have one because like everything is is digital now right like i mean the case that i've got you can't even fit one on this no same mine's got just like a see-through panel on the front with yeah i chose it i chose this case and i was like yeah stick a blu-ray player on there in case i want to watch a blu-ray it was like oh no that's not compatible with this case i was like wow that's how little you need this well you don't like i don't need discs yeah who needs discs but i've got all these old dvds sat here loads of them i've got series after series and movie after movie that i just i don't want to throw them away because i'm like what if that

what if i can't get hold of dr cats ever again for example yeah so hold on i don't think any of this is ever going anywhere i i don't think you're it's gonna get well i don't think the bbc is gonna put out like a broadcast yeah in 10 years being like well, has anyone got a VHS with Dr. Katz on it? We've missed, it's gone from the archives. We withdrew away the old films. And so we need you,

the audience to send us all of your VHS of Dr. Katz. Well, don't you remember that there was that fire at that studio? I think it was Universal. I could be wrong. I don't want to, I don't want to defame Universal.

Oh, well, I mean, they, yeah, of course. And the originals, the origin want to defame Universal. Oh, well, I mean, yeah, of course. And it burned down. And the originals for thousands of films and records,

like all these initial recordings and everything, were lost, right? Oh, yeah. It does happen. It's happened a bunch of times in history. Yeah, it didn't. Aardman had a big thing similar. Like one of their prop warehouses burned down.

All the original wallet and grommet like clay figurines and stuff were all lost gallery had a fire and they lost loads of original artworks like classic artworks oh my god all the original clay got fired i like that so it's now like little statues that'd be nice well no they lost all sorts of shit though like it was no i know i think it was really tragic yeah i i i don't know i i think that these days like like if you, I don't know, it is something which I find myself watching a little bit of and I suppose that

we do rely on these streaming services now. It feels like everything is a subscription, right? It feels like everything is like a hot or dot on your bank account. You know,

I feel like I've got so many streaming services just like ticking away in the back. I sometimes go through PayPal and just cancel everything. Man, I still have a subscription to final fantasy 14 i okay i've had this subscription for like a year and i played that game for like three hours tops and i still why don't you cancel it because

i'm just too fucking lazy like i don't want to it's like on a separate website and stuff and just like every time i get that like an email saying we've renewed your subscription, I'm just like, my heart sinks. I'm like, Oh fuck. Again, like I completely forgotten about this and I can't be bothered.

Thank you very much to everyone who's subscribed to the patron. We appreciate your support. I'm sure you've forgotten about that. And also you're paying for my final fantasy 14 I've just realized that we're part of the problem we're part of the problem we actually are god it's the worst

you know what film I bought I bought three films recently try to guess which ones bought? I bought three films because they weren't available on any streaming services so I bought them on iTunes three films well there could be something that you want to. So I bought them on iTunes. Three films. Well, there could be something that you want to watch with the kids. So I'm assuming.

No, I disagree. Cold. Cold. I think these are films that Sips has bought. Let's think of the films that he has watched. Close. Goodfellas. Yes.

That's one of them. I bought Goodfellas last night. Well, I saw Goodfellas was doing the rounds on Reddit. And so I thought you might. Because you played Mafia. I thought that was a good clue. I got you. That was good. Well, I saw Goodfellas was doing the rounds on Reddit. And so I thought you might, because you played Mafia. I thought that was a good clue. I was there. I was got you.

That was good. Well, I've been watching Sopranos as well. So wait, wait, wait. So are these films, are these films all Mafia themed? No, only Goodfellas, which you now have. The movie Die Hard. No. Predator.

No. Let me think. What else have you been into? think of sipsy kind of films weekend i'll give you a clue of some other movies that i have in in my library okay that i purchased on itunes i have purchased napoleon dynamite so gentleman bronco gentleman bronco right but i've also bought menace to society boys in the hood okay and straight out of compton as well okay oh that's an interesting one peewee's big adventure look i'll jody look i'll just tell you what they are yeah just tell us this is gonna take i bought the royal tenenbaums

and i bought uh the life aquatic oh man yeah they're great but you can't you can't get them on any of the streaming services so it's like but and i watched donnie brasco the other night which was on netflix which i i liked but donnie man forget about it forget about it give it to your girlfriend it's a full game they used it way too much it's overused you don't say forget about it like in every conversation he does i've i've been watching uh haunting of blight manor right netflix i heard that that was pretty good i can't watch scary movies and i really it's a tv show and i really enjoyed it because um i mean the original haunting of hill house is is a classic book that is very much recommended it's it's what's called

a terror well i i love the difference between terror and horror right so horror is the sort of emotion and feeling you get after you've been shocked okay whereas terror is the kind of build-up like like you being scared of something that you haven't seen yet okay so that's in in a sense like the original haunting of hill house doesn't really have many not not jump scare moments but more climactic moments right uh at least the original novel does yeah i think the the tv show and he really has one sort of jump scare it's a lot of very creepy stuff a lot of very build up a lot of things in the background that you sort of don't notice immediately or certainly people in the show don't notice but you sometimes spot you're like oh god i think i saw something in the background and you usually did right um and so it's very deeply unsettling and it had me sort of after

i watched it originally looking around like you know i turn the lights off in my flat or whatever i'd look around the room and i'd like just check the corners or whatever just i hate that feeling yeah it was it was really proper proper spooked me up a little i got that after watching the um the the sort of um the most recent twin peaks series you know the one that was uh that they the the the the current one like the the one that came out 2017 because i i think twin peaks is about the limit for me in terms of like spooky weird stuff you know like it has its moments it's not the whole thing isn't spooky but it does have its moments sort of thing i saw i watched hereditary last year i think it was last

year maybe is that the one the girl that makes the clicking noise yeah it's it's genuinely very unsettling i know some people were like oh it was good it was when it was a psychological horror and then it just got sort of schlocky but it didn't because it was that was only the last like 20 minutes like the build-up was really unsettling because it's just like a family arguing and and then it just got sort of schlocky but it didn't because that was only the last like 20 minutes like the build up was really unsettling because it's just like a family arguing

and falling apart and there's something creepy happening and it feels bad but the bit that stayed with me was when the young kid

and this is spoilers obviously you haven't seen it at the end he's running away from his mother and he's standing there and he hears something behind him

and he turns and there is Paimon the devil's sort of sidekick just in just looking at him from around a corner grinning and sort of lit kind of spookily and he's just smiling and he said god that's fucking terrifying like i i know that um i was i did some interviews for valve over the last couple of weeks where we spoke to game developers and there's a guy called airdorf who made a game uh called faith it's a three-partirdorf who made a game called Faith. It's a three-part thing that he made. And it's like in a retro style.

But we had a lot in common when it came to things that we found scary. Because one thing that really scares me as an atheist is not the supernatural, but the idea that all these devils and everything and demons and Satan and God by extension are all real. Like I find that very scary. Like the idea that it's real and i'm wrong and i'm actually am going to go to hell and

there really is a satan and all the rest of it that's a very terrifying idea because it seems so far-fetched and outrageous but it also affects me you know i that means i do have a soul and i am a sinner and i am going to burn forever like that's scary i find it scary because when you start going into a world of supernatural where you've seen something supernatural happen that means anything is possible yeah and then i and it's very very scary to have that sudden unknown you know i feel like we live in a very rational world but as soon as something weird happens supernatural it's like can now people be possessed can people like what are the rules like it's not as soon as it's unclear

what's my method of combating this i there's no method sometimes it could be very frustrating to watch and listen to and read those things like like for example american gods i never really enjoyed the book and i never particularly enjoyed the tv show um Um, I, I didn't mind it. I thought it was an exciting fairy story. Um, and it was fun, but I, I like, I didn't like it and I didn't like it because the rules were so poorly

established that I'd never felt any sense of tension. I was like, well, this is fucking bullshit. This guy could probably just pull a fucking gun out of his ass at any fucking moment and just shoot the guy in the head who won't die because he's a god or some shit like i didn't know what the fucking rules were they never established even half properly and so i was just incredibly frustrated throughout it but in the same way when that translates to a horror film and you don't know what the rules are

that's really unnerving because you're like, is this guy able to kill people or not? It's really scary. I've been watching The Blind Manor and a little bit like that. I'm assuming this guy is going to have this thing happen to him and another thing happens and it's very unexpected. It's very scary. Yeah, because like you said, we think of the world as rational. And especially if you're not a superstitious person, if you don't believe in ghosts and all that, the idea that actually they are there and you have no method of defeating them is is a very scary one like it's genuinely unsettling uh so i like that kind of horror that creeps into like the occult and

and demons and stuff like that because it's it's this idea that and also that there are always people who are like on their side what's it called like agents for these guys like cults and stuff it's scary i was watching um just like briefly i had uh it on but i didn't realize what it was um i had to ask chat what what the movie was but i think it was it too possibly oh yeah but he was like there's like some kid and he was in like uh in like a you know like a haunted mirror uh thing like at a fair or whatever oh yeah and then like this clown appears and they like he's like licks the the the window or the mirror or something and he just looks like uh like uh man i i haven't seen it in years but like the new one looks actually kind of scary like the first one was okay i didn't watch the second one

really really good to do it movies i mean they had to change the books a lot because the books it's fucking stephen king so it's just bonkers and not very good in all honesty yeah there's some really weird scenes in there like towards the end of it like when they're kids they all have sex with the girl in their group or something like yeah yeah there's like i remember my friend read the book when we were like in high school or whatever and he he said it was pretty weird, pretty graphic. There was lots of weird sex shit in it. It's really weird. It is.

For me, his best books, his most fun books, they're like a really good sort of action-y movie. The original Running Man book is excellent, but he wrote that as Richard Backman for some reason, not as Stephen King. I think just to see, I've been very successful as Stephen King. If I wrote a good book and released it under a different name, I wonder what would happen sort of thing. So it seems interesting. But anyway, the original Running Man book is very, very good and they made a terrible movie of it. But if they made an actual movie, the actual book, it would be genuinely really

something. And he did one called The Long Walk, walk which as i understand that they want to make into a movie even though to be quite honest with you it's interesting as a book but as a film the idea is it's a game show and these kids turn up they're all young and they just have to walk as for as long as they possibly can there's no sleep there's no rest they just have to walk right and the last man standing wins like a billion dollars or something like that and it's just the weirdest like how is that a movie you're just gonna have people walking and occasionally one of them gets tired if you stop for too long they shoot you like you you're dead so it's not like you can just drop out you it's like the the last man standing is literally the last man alive everyone else has died so they're being not gonna lie well i like these hour and a half like movies like that i i i with a weird format has to be uh like the thing

is nowadays i find sometimes they try to crowbar too much movie into the movie right like agreed like and and we're in in the in the age of uh docuseries. So you've got like – you can't get away with it anymore. You can't fit like a really complex story into two hours anymore. It just doesn't work. And even then, they used to write movies better a long time ago. So they could almost fit a complicated story into two hours or whatever. But like just make it into a series if it needs more detailing than that. Oh, please don't. a complicated story into two hours or whatever. Just make it into a series if it needs more detailing

than that. Oh, please don't. I'm sick of this. Too many fucking series now. Oh, it drives me mad. If they're done right, they're great, though. You know what I mean? We were talking about The Boys before we started. I thought that was good. What was it? Eight episodes? Yeah. Perfect. That's fine. Perfect.

No fucking filler. No bollocks. None of these 24 parters, four seasons. Oh, I think season two of The Boys was absolutely crammed full of filler.

I thought it was guff up. What are you talking about? I thought it was incredibly poorly written in the second series of The Boys. No, no, no. I thought it was

some of the worst TV I've watched for a long time. The Boys itself, season one was great. Season two, I enjoyed it. What was wrong with season two? But I enjoyed it.

But I thought it was so fluffy and woolly. Like people just constantly appearing behind each other. Like suddenly, suddenly they start warping across the country in 10 seconds. They're all next to each other and none of them know they're there. It's incredibly convoluted.

I didn't see that at all. I thought The Boys was, second season was much weaker than the first season. I disagree. I think you're going to, I think people are people are gonna look back on it if it carries on down this downwards trajectory people are gonna be like oh yeah that's right actually now i think about it it's like game of thrones you know oh now i think about season five wasn't very good

either was it no no but i'm trying to understand what was your problem with superheroes being able to do superhero shit in a superhero show like that's what i don't understand how come queen mave can just teleport behind literally any character at any point on the show that's not one of her established superpowers oh you mean where she she just sort of turns constantly everyone is though everyone's constantly conveniently there to the point that it removes all tension you know any character can deus ex machina out of the wall at any time to save any other character i don't know i just didn't find it gripping at all i found it a bit like a bit of a missed opportunity and i think the writers were were fucking wearing their sandals sipping their

lattes patting themselves on the fucking back as they wrote something that they knew was gonna be i mean especially like i've read some of the comics and you couldn't make a TV show out of the comics. Like they're just too, there's sex on like every fucking page. Like it's just, it's too much. I thought the TV show did a decent job. I thought the characters

they introduced this season were really interesting. And I liked, I really liked it. And I loved the whole cult thing that came up and, you know, the head popping stuff. And I really didn't hate it i thought it was a cult thing that came up and you know the the head popping stuff and and i really didn't see the ending coming i had no idea how it was going compare it to watchman which i thought was brilliant oh i haven't seen that yet is it is

that good the tv show yeah it was brilliant um anyway that's that's our opinion uh go ahead and make your own make your own choice i haven't watched any of these uh surprisingly normally i've watched stuff but i don't know you've just gone out and reordered a bunch of old movies off itunes i suspect and you're re-watching the sopranos like i'm not saying that you should know what it's been really great though i haven't watched sopranos since like maybe 2005 or something and i've forgotten so much of it it's like watching it for the first time again it's there's so much to it have you noticed i was laughing so hard that i don't know if you remember the episode where um uh tony is uh is accused of going off with adriana you know

i'm christopher's uh fiance yeah yeah yeah and um and christopher goes off on one like crazy he'd just been to rehab but but he's like – Tony, how could you? Yeah, yeah, he's fucking furious, right? I love that. Christopher, you fucking think I was fucking Adriana behind your back? Are you out of your fucking mind? The scene where he comes into the – at the back of the deli, you know, where they all play cards and stuff.

And they're all laughing about something. And he's like – he's on like fucking high alert. He thinks that everybody's laughing at him because he's found out about this uh this thing this is like like you know is there like a slow-mo of paulie going yeah that's the same one but it's doing that point thing with the yeah it's a different context though that's off the back of carmela saying you only have friends because they're scared of you and they want to kiss your ass sort of thing right yeah tony's like it's not fucking popularity contest i'm running a business here you know he starts to like notice that these people are just like trying to kiss his ass like constantly

sort of thing like he makes these dumb jokes and that's where the slow motion paulie thing comes in yeah but yeah i was laughing because christopher comes in and uh he's he's fucking furious right all these guys are laughing and he thinks that they're laughing at him it's like what's so fucking funny like what the fuck are you laughing at and that and that veto you know the the big guy yeah yeah he's like saying like ah they're laughing at my dick or like my dick size or something like that and uh and he's like trying to like get them out of it he's like you know come on christopher you know why are you breaking my balls we're just trying to have a little laugh here we're just trying to play get them out of it he's like you know come on christopher you know why are you breaking my balls we're just trying to have a little laugh he was just trying to play some

cards and he's like he has like some french fries he fucking chucks the whole thing out of he's like shut the fuck up you parade float it was amazing because he's like this huge guy right yeah yeah parade float like what an insult that's a good one it's a great show you can re-watch it and be like oh i completely forgot about this stuff like yeah yeah there's so many little storylines that you forget about have you noticed though if you watch if you watch a lot of sopranos in a row i have found that there is a slight formula to the episodes where they obviously thought we've got to give someone two things this week tony has to fuck someone who's much hotter than tony and tony tony or one of his mates has to kill somebody like that's pretty much every episode i don't know it's just

it's so well written it is so fucking good like there is there is that i do find it's funny when you notice it they're like no one's been beaten up or killed this week so it's like a waiter accidentally spills their soup oh you got fucking soup all over my armani suit here i'll give you a fucking soup bang and they punch him in the face fuck me i love him like that i love the part when he's like he's trying to get with the with the therapist you know like you know he goes through those couple episodes where he's like you know he's trying to really appeal to her and say that he loves her and that he just needs her and stuff and then they have that sort of like showdown where she's like he's like you know why why won't you go out with me why won't you give me a chance and she sort of starts saying like well

i don't agree with your morals i don't agree with how you live your life or whatever and then just this sudden outburst fuck you he fucking leaves and then you hear like muffled behind the door as he leaves cunt like it's so fucking amazing it's so good it is a great show like the the characters are super well written like ah fuck me if you've never seen sopranos you have to see it it's one of the best it's so good all right well i think that's a good place to end with uh well since we're talking about the boys i suppose it's only appropriate that Sips would yell the C word. Wait, do they use that a lot in the boys as well? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Man, holy Christ, they use it a lot in the Sopranos, eh? Like, everybody is a cunt or a twat. Fucking twat. Everybody is a fucking twat. Fucking cunt. All right. What?

All right, we're going. All right. Thanks, have a good one, everyone. Bye. Thank you, bye're going. All right. Thanks. Have a good one, everyone. Okay. Love you. Thank you. Bye. See you next week.