Triforce! - Triforce! #165: Return of Sips' Business Tips!

Episode Date: February 24, 2021

Triforce! Episode 165! We cover EVERYTHING this episode! Board games, wise investments, bitcoin, the Perseverence Mars landing and our old favourite: Dog poop! What an episode! Go to http://manscaped.com and use the code TRIFORCE to get 20% off and free shipping. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. We can't all do the intro at the same time. Hello. Hello. Welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Oh, my gosh. What is that? It's your special introduction voice. Am I a tenor, I guess? I've never been told by anyone. No, you sound more like the dramatic guy.

You remember that scene on Father Ted when they're in the lingerie department and the guy can't stop speaking dramatically? That's what you sound like. Right, like Matt Berry. I was going to say, whatever the voice name is for a small child, I would say it's like that one. Is it Alto Soprano?

That one. Right. An Alto. Oh, is it Alto? Wait, which one's the really high-pitched one? That's not Alto, is it? Well, I thought Alto meant really, really high. Really high.

Oh, yeah, you're probably right, actually. You think about the actual word, alto. Alto soprano is a high female or boy's voice. Right. I don't know. I don't think Lewis necessarily has a high boy's voice. Hello, what is this? Can you tell me if you're a singer?

What is this tone? It sounds a bit like Barry Manilow. I think he's a treble. On doing a Vegas show or something. What are you guys? You're not exactly the lowest of PFACs. No, I have quite an irritating voice. I am in the Kermit spectrum. I mean, my voice is pretty

irritating too. It's a lower, lower irritating voice. it's a lower lower irritating it's a lower you're probably a baritone i would say yeah i feel like the word baritone just suits you even if it's not the right pitch at all thank you very much named after a guy called barry how are you guys doing how's how's your week been you feeling feeling good feeling healthy i've had a i've had a good week i'm i'm like uh today i'm a like a little bit of a deflated gamer i played valorant for the first time yesterday and i did not enjoy it very much at all and i heard your like 30 second review of it which was just that it was uh it was basically why how have they tried to design a game deliberately to be so boring yeah well it felt like that yeah i mean and like a lot of like i mean it's it's an

opinion right like i'm not i know you've played a lot of games you know you're welcome to but uh but yeah no i just um surprised like normally, like I have like a high tolerance for like most games. Like I can't really think of too many games that I dislike, but I found the experience just miserable. It was just not great. Like I get that you need to have played CSGO or whatever, but I just I'm not I'm not sure I subscribe to the whole. Well, you got to be good to have fun i mean it's where's the i just don't know where the where the motivation to pour hundreds of hours into a game just for it to eventually be fun is like you know what i mean like i feel like there should be things about it

that are fun out of the box so this week it's just me i don't know i played a bunch of more board games i'll be trying to play like a new board game every day or two right and so i've played a bunch of board games this week um and learned a few and board games are this thing where you buy a copy and it's like you know 40 quid and you play them once or twice usually and with maybe a couple of friends or you got and then it stays on the shelf until your parents come around and you look at it and you're like do i want to teach them how to play this board game and they're like and they're like no and so you end teach them how to play this board game? And they're like, no. And so you end up playing Codenames or whatever.

It's because they know that. Which is a great game. Which is a great game, by the way. But I wouldn't really consider it even a board game. It's more like a short, easy card game. Or it's almost like a little puzzle game. But don't you think that, in a way, like one of the things, I do enjoy board games. But much like Sips' problem with Valorant,

if the board game is very complicated and takes a long time to explain to me and there's a lot to it, that's great for people who play board games a lot and are going to invest the time in that game. But I just want to play something where you go, okay, it's real simple. You do this, you do this, you do this.

Boom, let's play. Because it's more of a vessel for you to do something rather than just sit about. Rather than, we'll have to really unpack this game. There are some games where that's not too bad. But there are other games where it's so complex. It kind of depends on who you play with. Like, this is a credit to Lewis.

I've played more board games with Lewis than I think I've played with anybody. And if a board game is complex or has a bit of a learning curve which you know some some board games do like flax is saying um lewis like i find lewis pretty good at sort of guiding you through it you know like telling you the kind of moves and stuff that you can make or whatever but it's it's more interesting right like you feel like okay yeah this is a lot to like to learn or whatever but i can actually have fun in this space you know like i've learned these things that i can do i can do them you know he's not like he's

not just like owning me left right and center because he knows how to play the game already or whatever um and and and that's fun but like yeah when i was playing valorant i just found there's no space to actually have any fun it's like even if you're playing with somebody who's really good and they're trying to teach you like where you need to be or whatever so you walk around a corner you did it's just like you shoot at a guy it doesn't kill them then you're dead it's it's like it's it's it's so utterly unfun at times i feel like you're joining pretty late to the party right like yeah for a year and the people who are still playing are the ones who are decent yeah i guess so yeah yeah like i feel like i feel like there's not too many noobs

coming into the game at this point. At the same time, it's sometimes like that with games. Like, you know, I played a couple of these games on tabletop and the guys got completely flattened by this guy. And I was like, how many times have you played this? Because I played it with three other randoms on the internet. One of them was like, oh, this is my first game as well. And the other guy was like, I played it once.

And this guy was like, according to my spreadsheet, I've played it 78 times. And I was like, are you fucking joking me? You know what? Another thing about if you're having to teach someone the game, you know when you do, all right, let's do a dummy round. Let's just start it off and everyone blah, blah, blah. I often feel like for the person learning the game,

they might still have fun. But essentially it is hard if you've played a complicated board game before yeah to get a good game like it's going to be a fairly simple it's just a way to spend some time and that's nice and everything but if you're looking for a good competitive game you really want to play against someone who's played it before yeah for example if i'm playing blood bowl which i've played a lot of blood bowl and i'm playing against someone who's never played it before it's not really going to be a fun game for either of you no yeah because they're they're presumably going to lose assuming the dice don't even if even if you try and let them win you probably won't be able to it would be hard to lose because there is there are there are a few simple tactical rules that once you get those down in blood bowl the game does sort of

start to make a lot more sense but it's very easy to make boo-boos. Like if I'm playing Blood Bowl against someone, I can tell fairly quickly whether they're any good or not. And you come up against some guys who are ridiculously good and they just don't make mistakes. And you come up against some people who are just awful. Because I'm playing against a stranger and my guys might get some skill points out of it, it's actually pretty good. I don't mind those games. I'll just take the W. But if I'm'm playing with a friend it's going to be hard to get a good like when i played with tom that was good because he knows how to play i know how to play so it was a good competitive game but if tom had never played i don't know if it would be much

fun for me because i'm like i don't want to beat this guy who's just learning the game because that's that's going to put him off it's not going to be fun yeah so i think that's that's a problem with board games if they're super complicated, you need to find other people who play it. Because I used to go to a war games club called Stab. That was the name of the club. Did that stand for something? Southbourne Tabletop and Board Gaming.

So if they want to go there. I can't remember if I've spoken about this before. I love that. It's so boring. It was it was a really ballsy name oh it's just a southpaw tabletop but the guys that ran it this is when I would have been about 13 or 14 my friend and I used to get the bus out there

and then when my friend William got older when he was 16 and he had a car I think it was his dad's old car an old dolomite which is like a huge metal, a huge metal a little metal piece of shit basically but we went all over the place in this car like me and him drove up to london in his car i thought it was a kind of um yeah it's a kind of stone or something right it's like a kind of rock you think it dominos no if you look up no dominoes on a stone it still had

it still had a choke so look up the triumph dolomite it is actually yeah a choke. So look up the Triumph Dolomite. It is actually... Yeah, a choke. Daddy. I know. So the choke is like the thing that you pull to either restrict or unrestrict, I think, the amount of fuel going into something. Anyway, someone will know. So sometimes it wouldn't start.

He'd be doing the choke and we'd have to give a little bump and everything. It was an old car, but we went all over the place in this thing. So we used to go to the ball gaming club. He'd pick me up and we'd drive over to Southport. it's the kind of car where on a cold day like today it might not start and someone has to get out and push it down the road oh yeah and things you know the heat it doesn't work do you remember the days when i've i did that to my dad's car a few times when i was just sort of you know like 10 or 11 you know the car wouldn't start and we'd be stuck in the village and he'd he'd sort of he would i wouldn't be allowed to sit

in the driver's seat you know be the one you know on the wheel it would be him of course sat there while i me and my brother were out pushing it like two kids well yeah that was uh you've got it because you've got to put it in you've got to know your role in those situations i think you're meant to put it in second rather than first um because it's less resistance so you put it in second i believe correct me Correct me if I'm wrong, car owners, but that's my sort of possibly wrong piece of information, is you put the car in second gear, because in first, there's too much resistance from the engine.

So you put it in second to get it going, and you get a hill start going and give it a shove. I've had to do that. It's a thing that men do. Yeah. It's always a little bit scary when you're coasting along this car down the road and you're running out of road

or something. Right. But it's quite exciting. It's like, it's a real, it's one of those moments where strangers come together where there's someone

and there's like, there's someone pushing a car and you're like, need a hand? And they're like, yes, we do. And you're like, ooh.

And you drop what you're doing and run over and then you're both pushing this car. And when you get it going, there's a sense of accomplishment. They're like, cheers, mate, cheers. You're like, ooh, and you drop what you're doing and run over and then you're both pushing this car. And when you get it going, there's a sense of accomplishment. They're like, cheers, mate, cheers. You're like, no problem, lads. Just a man passing by, ready to do man things.

However, every time you do it, and every time I seem to have done it recently, I've forgotten the fact that, you know, I'm basically standing above the exhaust pipe. And so as soon as the car fucking sputters to life, I just get doused in fumes like a coal miner. The other thing you've got i have done it before where i'm pushing so hard that when it does kick in it zooms forward a bit and i just

fall on my on my on my face i've done that once but they were like oh cheers bud you're right cheers guys yeah it was uh and then you high five and you hope that guy just lives the rest of his life and has a happy time yeah he never has to stop the car again you never see you never see him again. There was no time to exchange numbers because he's away at that point. Do you know what I mean? He couldn't thank you or anything.

He's gone. Thank you. Be well, little one. Never stop again. He's still driving today. Yeah, he is. Bless him. Oh, talking of transportation,

it's a segue of sorts. We're landing on Mars, or the Americans are anyway. Let's say the Earth people are landing at Mars Perseverance. It's touching down tonight at about 7.15. That's when the broadcast begins. So I think it's meant to touch down around 8 or something like that. Very exciting. It's a proper science-y rover.

Like this thing is not just one of those things. No, yeah. It's actually got instrumentation and stuff to do. Yeah, this thing is a b one of those things. No, yeah, it's actually got instrumentation and stuff to do to get the business done. We've dropped shit on Mars before that's big though. I saw the last Mars rover and it was like the size of a fucking small car.

Oh, they are, yeah, they're huge. Yeah, they're big rovers. But this thing's the best one we've sent, I believe. How long does it take to, like, when was it launched? It was launched a couple of months ago, right? I think it takes about six months to get to Mars. Yeah. About six to eight months, because they have to wait for it to be on its closest approach

to Earth, like, so we're at our nearest point. And I don't think they send it off at that point. They send it just before that, so it's going to intersect at that nearest orbit. Yeah, that's the best way to do it. There's some really interesting orbital like um mechanics for like moving stuff between planets right and you have to you could like kind of cheat by using the road the way the like distances they are away from the sun yeah kind of to get it there much quicker but the other classic thing is that you have to any any thrust you give to to speed it up you have to put back at

the end right so it's like this like thing where you could just if you're careful You could just give it a little bit of thrust And it will just go in the right direction, and then Mars will just catch up with it kind of thing yeah It's amazing really clever. Yeah, I love all that like in Kerbal when you plan your route And please don't mention Kerbal because I will play it again, and it's just it's one of those rabbit holes There's a second one coming out eventually isn't it yeah, I got delayed it was supposed to be out this year actually But it's been delayed. I get the impression it's called Perseverance because we all remember the poor British one that just crashed and sort of burned on the surface.

Yeah, the Beagle. So what was that one that a lot of British people worked on? Was it Titan? I think it was the Beagle. That was the ESA, the European Space Agency one. The one that... It touched down. The solar panels didn't open out properly, and it died. Oh, was the Beagle. That was the ESA, the European Space Agency one. The one that... It touched down. The solar panels didn't open out properly.

Oh, it was that Beagle. It was very sad. Yeah, everyone was very sad about it. Because it had the name of a dog. Yeah, it felt like a little... We'd sent a puppy to Mars and it had perished. Yeah, and all these old men with their beards were all very much like it was their puppy.

Because they'd all spent years working know, years worth of years. Well, how would you feel? You know, you spend your whole time working on that and it should work and then it doesn't work. It's like, you know, when you go to turn on your TV and use the on-demand function on your TV and it just doesn't work and you're just sitting there thinking like, this works every day. And now, today, it doesn't. What's going on?

And then you turn it off and on again, and it works again. I guess you can't do that with a rover or a satellite or whatever. Turn it off and on again. I think they didn't really even know what happened originally, right, with Beagle 2. But I think they managed to get a telescope to show that it had actually landed on Mars. But I think it was supposed to open out like a flower, right? And I think what happened was one of them got stuck and prevented all the others from opening.

So it's sort of permanently still closed, which is a bit of a strange... I mean, couldn't they send Perseverance over to give it a little bump? You know what I mean? Right. Give a little... Just nudge it. Just drive Perseverance into it a little bit.

But what happens when that thing gets stuck? It's like farming sim. Do you know what I mean? Then someone has to get another one to free that. And then before you know it, you've just got this conga line of probes stuck at each other on Mars. Just bumping into each other. Yeah.

I don't know. At what point does it become just a disaster? I'm assuming technology has increased in the 10 years or 20 years maybe since it was sent. I can't remember. I don't maybe, since it was sent. I can't remember. I don't even know when it was sent. Yeah. I mean, the thing is with all of this stuff is it has to be very small and light.

So when they send these things out there, they're like, it has the processing power of a printer. You're like, great. Like, you couldn't send something fancier, but they can't because it has to be super light and super durable and everything. And it always seems like they send a calculator up there to do a computer's work. So I think one of the interesting things I heard was that one of the reasons... So you know at the moment there's like an NVIDIA chip shortage

because everyone's buying them to make Bitcoins and stuff. Oh, do I, buddy? Oh, shit, because of course you bloody well, your graphics card broke and you had to try and buy a new one. Yeah, let's talk about that in a moment. Well, anyway, just interestingly, think like there's a lot of um they kind of they kind of understand when they make these chips right that the errors will go in and they can't stop them right and so what they do is they make all these chips all these all these ships with the multi-core

chips and then they test them all and they find that quite a lot of them have cores that don't work and so what they do is they just disable four or a certain amount of the cores that are defective and then sell those as like the lower end graphics cards, right? And the ones that are all working are just sold as the high end ones. So it's kind of the, it's the same, it's a really strange thing, but I guess it just must be a part of the manufacturing process that these defects just, you can't be avoided, right? They just slip in.

I mean, if you look at how complicated it is, it's it's so it's the the the architecture of these chips and how they sort of grow them almost in the lab is insanely complicated it's so bananas it makes me think like we are living in some alternate like this is this is the kind of stuff i don't know it just it's so complicated. Some of these technology things are so crazy how they figured out how to do it. Because it uses quantum theory and stuff to do some of these things as well, which is crazy. Anyway, it's too crazy. But the point is that I think when you send something into space,

there's a lot of cosmic radiation. And you can understand how that could... Fuck it up. Well, fuck it up, fuck it up basically because the earth shields us from almost all of the harmful cosmic rays but when you look at astronauts helmets when they've come back and stuff like this you see that the cosmic rays have like like almost created this kind of like these these jagged um microscopic pieces of damage through their spacesuits right in space and so if you're sending a mission,

you have to have it be protected from radiation. But in order to do that, you need a large amount of shielding. And so I think you could see how chipsets could be vulnerable to... Yeah, yeah. Because it's so witty. It's so witty. Yeah. So I just find it so interesting. So I think you have to have redundancy, right?

You have to have like multiple systems, like the film Armageddon, right? You have two rockets. Yeah. Just in case one of them goes fucking. Yeah, in case something breaks, you have to have like. You'd have two Bruce Willises. You'd have two.

You need two Bruce, yeah. We need twins, basically. Also in the film Contact, they build the thing and then they're like, oh, it fucking blew up because the terrorists blew it up. Yeah. and then uh they're like oh i fucking blew up because the terrorists blew it up yeah and then there was uh i think it was john hurt might have been the super rich lad in that and he was like i built another one in secret in japan or whatever i watched that movie lately it's forward thinking there the japanese have made us another one in secret so it's like oh good in the martian oh the rocket blew up

oh the chinese have got one oh we use that one it's like yeah great i like that actually my kids loved that film i didn't expect them to they loved it i thought it was good they loved it so can we watch that one with the man on mars oh so my graphics card oh okay go either of those stories let's go let's go with the graphics card. As a break. Yeah. As an interlude. So the 2080 that I had. What kind of VR 3D porn were you watching that fried your graphics card?

Sadly, it was just one of the fans gave up. It happens. So what was happening was it was wobbling. So one of them was nice and steady The other one You could sort of bump it up and down And it sort of wobbled on its On its central fulcrum?

Axis? I don't know The central point was wobbly So as it's spinning It starts to So there's a little play in the fan And it's moving up and down And it's going

Rubbing against the edge of the case. And I was like, oh, fuck. Very common. So it wasn't a bearing. It was just rubbing against this... Is this... Because a lot of cards, you can remove the coolers on them

and put aftermarket coolers on. Could you not do that with yours? I can't. Right. One could. I've done that on a couple of my cards before in the past. But a lot of them now have this... now have this one big block, right? And they're not designed to have the stuff removed anymore.

Yeah. Well, I didn't want to put anything on. It's not a question of it running hot. I'm happy with the temperature. My case, I have like six other case fans in there or something because I thought, you know, it's a nice, simple cooling system. It gets up to about, with both fans running, I can it about 74 75 degrees which is fine yeah so i was happy uh in the summer i just stick my big floor fan on there to help out and it it's gucci

so yeah i feel like it's time for an upgrade when you're opening your pc and putting a fan in there no no i'm not i'm not opening the pc it's honestly fine like i ran it over the last summer it was hot last summer no problems no the issue was just that the fan broke so i was trying to stream tarkov and tarkov as sips and anyone who plays tarkov will know is a very sound intense game you need to be able to listen yeah the russell of a lad in a bush hear a footstep what's that is there a lad in there so you gotta listen all the time yeah so with i was like is that a ladder is that my fucking graphics card so chat was like they were suggesting all this shit i love that that's what you see twitch chat as that's it can i just I just get a few more feelings of what kind of Twitch chat means to you?

Imagine they're giving you advice on, let's say, you're in a situation... My driver's on my graphics card? How about that was a classic? I had a driver problem. They can be tremendously helpful at times, but it is, for the most part, oh my god, it's hard. It's awful. It's very hard sometimes. Your car's not starting.

Twitch chat is outside. They're going to help you get going. All you need to do is open it up, and it's very simple. Anyone can do it. You just open it up, turn the engine out, reseat the engine, and away you go. Very easy. A fool can do it.

Like, what do you know about it? Well, I just Googled that. A fool can do it. Like, what do you know about it? Well, I just Googled that. I just Googled that. So, so yeah, I fucking Googled that as well,

you melon. So that's the kind of thing that they do, is they'll be like, I will help by Googling. And they Google, and then they tell you a thing that they Googled. You don't know. You don't know.

It's so true. You've just Googled it, i wanted i just wanted to help then shut the fuck up that would help me because i'm super stressed about this it's pissing me off i've got this noise 24 hours going on in my office it's driving me up the wall the one good piece of advice i got was from my friend jj who said get msi after burn it was some kind of fan control program, reduce one fan down, pump the other one up. You could even reduce the power to the GPU if you wanted to, and hopefully that'll fix the problem.

It didn't fix the problem. No, but at least it was like a sensible thing to do. It was a decent suggestion. And JJ was the one who designed like my computer. Dude knows a lot about PCs. He does reviews for all kinds of stuff. I trust his opinion. And I know he's like a real man i i had the exact same thing i was playing gta on no pixel you know the rp thing and uh so the so it's gta 5 but it's it's heavily modded there's lots of

extra stuff there's lots of changes you there's lots of characters you can play as that are kind of like uh npcs in the game or whatever which i think messes up some of the controls and stuff sometimes so um on pc if you press v it should change your camera angle right and you can get like this sort of like far the far back to first person of your character um but it wasn't working i was pressing v it wasn't working and this it was like it was like a call went out all over the internet like all of a sudden i don't know if it was just people um who weren't listening or maybe people were just flooding into the chat like to offer this

advice but it was just a constant like just press v press v i'm pressing v what do you want me to do i've pressed v like that's the first thing I did. Oh, my God. How, after an hour of having this issue, is this the solution? And you're actually going to the effort of typing it out. Like, it's a waste. This is like what the NASA control center was like. It's like, we've lost Beagle 2. Send the word out.

And they're like, have you pressed V? Press V. Press V. Press V. Yeah. No, no, we pressed V. What was the first thing you did? We pressed V.

Oh, OK. Press V again? Nope. Still nothing working when you press V. Press V. Yeah. No, no, we press V. What was the first thing you did? We press V. Oh, okay. Press V again? Nope. Still nothing working when you press V. Yeah. But it was like uncanny. It was like the minute I had an issue, it felt like all of a sudden we gained like 100,000 viewers and all of them had the solution.

And then we couldn't fix it. And it doesn't work. And then we somehow randomly just like mashed my keyboard and it fixed it and then they they just all left they're like my job here is done they just walk out and let's go and help someone else somebody else needs me to tell them to press one of the suggestions that started coming up was just ask the yorks cast to send you a graphics card and my response to that was was very negative i I was like, they don't just have graphics cards lying around the fucking office.

They need those PCs for work. What do you think it is? Some kind of shop? Like they just have spare graphics cards? I'm not going to bother them to go and open up one of their PCs

and take a graphics card out. And I was like, I fucking worked there. I have worked there. I know the office. I was getting really irate. And in the end, you know, I mentioned it

and Lewis was like, oh, we'll send one out. DAF sent one. Next day delivery. It arrived. uh i had a massive climb down i was like i'm sorry like i really didn't think they would have one that's my bad but i i you know i hate to man you should have just kept going you should just been like they sent me the wrong card they didn't send me a good you know like you should have just kept on with i i could never back down i couldn't do that i was i was i was wrong so the i got a 1080

to tide me over there is the noticeable difference by the way between the 1080 and the 2080 with the with tarkov yeah it was i had to trim a lot of stuff down and i was like wow like i i kind of got used to having just everything on ultra it does look pretty it's a pretty i mean it's intensive i can't really think of many other games that are as graphically intensive at the moment i mean given the bear bear in mind that like things like the newest things like cyberpunk right kind of designed to be run on a fucking xbox 360 do you mean or whatever fucking garbage version but then run terribly by the way but we know this but it's kind of this thing where i mean mean, the texture details, the lighting, the sound, everything in talk of is like insanely... It's a beautiful game.

Like, it is incredible what they've done. But it also doesn't... I've played it and it definitely doesn't feel optimised in a sense. Like, it's like... It doesn't really care if you have a crappy graphics card. It's like... Yeah, you can make it work. But yeah, it definitely needs a good graphics card, I've found.

You can run it. It runs on a 1080, no problem. I've been playing it for the last few days um and i've sent the 2080 off to be repaired and marco my pc guy is he ordered the parts he's ordered some more fans for it oh it's going to take about a month and a half marco because sadly they're going to have to come from china there's nowhere else we can get them we tried sourcing. The ones that we want to replace, brand new. You can get a lot of secondhand ones on eBay. No thanks. They're all like, because of this graphics card shortage, I was thinking about buying an upgrade. I thought, well, fuck it. If it's not working, I'll upgrade to a new graphics card. Impossible. I was not aware of just how bad it is. And Marco was telling me he tried to buy a graphics card. I think it was

on Scan or Overclockers or something like that. And they went on sale at like 11. He called it like five past. And at that point, he was already like number 1000 in the queue of like, you know, to buy one. So it was like, yeah, you're on the list, but we just don't. We just sold out like instantly. So people out there are just fucking buying everything.

It's incredible. And I think it's bitcoins. Is that the thing i don't know but i'm so glad that bitcoin is going up not because i actually own one but because my bitcoin farm in tarkov made like 720 grand yesterday just off one bitcoin which you're virtually farming bitcoin yeah which to me is great it finances a lot of my subsequent runs. I think it's actually to do with Taiwan being shut down, like the factory where they make some key components or some key thing being shut down because of coronavirus.

I think that's what actually has caused the shortage. I think the Bitcoin thing is part of it, but I don't think it's the overriding factor. Yeah, so I mean, Bitcoin. You guys, how's your Bitcoin done? Because it's gone up crazy. It's crazy, Bitcoin. I don't have any Bitcoins.

I don't really understand them. I don't have any investments like that. It's just, it's all alien to me. I could probably say it's going to keep going up until you understand it. And then as soon as you understand it and buy a Bitcoin, that's when it's going to be. No, I would never buy one. I just don't. No, but that's why there's a signal.

Do you see what I mean, though? You're the goat in the coal mine or whatever. Canary. You're the goat. I'm the goat. Or the goat in the bear cave or whatever. Do you know what I mean? At the mouth of the bear cave.

Is that what they used to do? I just invest in stuff like, well well that's to say i don't really invest in anything but like if i were to invest i would invest in something i understand like there there's a there's a hemp farm um that's going up in jersey that is open for people to invest in and i thought sure i mean it's you, that's an industry that's just forever growing, it feels like. Oh my God. This is for medicinal. A hemp farm? That's amazing. It's for medicinal sort of purposes.

Where did you find out about this hemp farm business opportunity and tell me more? From Shady Tim down at the... No, it was in the paper, actually. It like um they just they just approved some legislation for this to actually happen and um they're it's they're raising like five million pounds i think and then they're gonna they're gonna list it on the stock market like this is the this is the the plan and um this is going to because we got the perfect climate here apparently for for growing it um for some months of the year and then for the other other months it's just going to be done like indoors or whatever um but yeah so it's like kind of exciting i guess i hope hopefully it's like a step towards uh you know legalizing it further so that you know um well i mean hemp is not the exactly the same as marijuana

is it i mean it's not but like i think there's the the the stuff that they're harvesting like for the oils and stuff like that is is pretty pretty close right like i think i don't know really yeah i mean it's all the same it's a very hippie product isn't it you know it's like a kind of like you see like an expensive shop will make like hemp toothbrushes and hemp bowls and shampoo and hemp like hemp backpacks and hemp sandals. Do you know what I mean? There'll be a fancy shop that'll be open for a year maybe before it goes out of business in some high street somewhere.

Sure. They don't tend to stick around. It seems like it's always someone. I don't think this is for – this is for more like the CBD stuff, you know, which is always like sold out everywhere. But you meant like weed. Well, that's what they're calling it. They're calling it a hemp farm. but obviously they're they're doing the other

stuff i think it's just i don't think they want to call it like uh you know the jersey marijuana farm because it doesn't have like a nice ring to it because they're trying to actually attract old people to invest in it right so right so you lure them in with the idea that it's like knitting and yarn and stuff yeah well no i'd say it's, it's more like they're pretty upfront about it being like off the back of this like medicinal legislation. I honestly don't think that old folks are that against weed. Like, I mean, some of the old some are sure. But I think if I spoke to my parents about it and said, you know, would you like this doobie? Yeah.

I wouldn't say it like that. No. Would you like a doobie, father? I don't think anybody's necessarily against it. But it's like, you know, they have to make it palatable, right? Like, they're not going to make this this enterprise like uh steeped in stoner culture because it's not appealing to like you know a guy wearing a blazer trying to do uh trying to do tps reports and do i'm not sure they should like have a backwards cap on and be graffitiing jersey weed

farm in bright green spray paint i'm just saying that it's like i think you want to i think you want to call it like fucking um you want to you want to be when you pitch your thing you have to be honest about what you're doing and if they're calling it a hemp farm then i assume that somewhere in the blurb they're saying that they are going to be growing cbd and stuff like this rather than it just being like well that's what it is yeah but it's entirely hidden from sight no no it's not at all like it's very very upfront about what it's because you might be just investing in a rope farm sips which doesn't feel very no no no i know i would not invest in a rope farm i can make my you know what it all comes down to is that these people these olds as they are now voted for years uh and and we're like no you can't legalize weed oh no it's

awful society will fall apart oh and then as soon as they realize it's good for arthritis yeah it feels like that sometimes they should legalize it well and and now that there's a clear a clear way for them to uh to to make some decent money from it too. Whereas before I don't think it was, they didn't have, it was, I think it was like always like a sketchy proposition, you know, back then,

like if, if it was going to be legalized or whatever, how would people, how would it be regulated? How would it be controlled? What are the type of people that you'd be doing business with and all that kind of stuff? I think all that's come along a lot. I honestly think we should,

most of the old grandmas that I come along a lot i honestly think we should uh uh most of the old grandmas that i've ever met have always been oh we'll be a bit anxious about this theory and i think they could do with a just a chill out kind of smoke of a little you know a little spliff you know they could do with a little toke yeah just saying we don't need to give them like a full-on bubble bong and stuff grandma bong this year for christmas just get her get her a big bong and stuff. Buy your grandma a bong this year for Christmas. Get her a big bong, too. Get her an annihilator. I think she'd get that on her own, though. I think the point is you'd hook her up with some...

You'd teach her one time, and then you'd come back next month, and she'd have been on the internet and ordered a fucking mega weed load or something. A mega weed. A mega load. You know what? She drank five pints of weed the other day. She's dead. My issue with weed has never been whether to legalize it or not, because it's a no-brainer, really.

Like, you can't have alcohol legal and say that weed is... Yeah, I agree. They are similar, I think. They are very similar, yeah. The problem I have with weed is people who are really, really into it, that's like their whole thing yeah becomes their whole personality is fucking leaves on their shirts and pictures of weed pictures of bob marley all they fucking talk about is getting high it's all they want to do they got bongs all over the house in a really weird way i know people who are like that with alcohol as well like not maybe not so much like you know what i mean but like drinking

a lot talking about drinking a lot like their whole life revolves around drinking somehow their whole personality is like yeah that's all they have to say really yeah it's about weed like it takes over their life right there is that cultural you know everyone knows someone who is like a stereotypical stoner even even now yeah like it definitely feels like that's the case it just makes them very boring and to be honest with you when people are really high they're even more boring yeah they just say less they just sit there a lot of the time yeah i don't think i think like it's just boring it is yeah i think it's i think i think the the fact that alcohol is is legal and people can just get

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Like, what, like, and I gave you, like, you know, there was, like, Hemp Farm, and maybe, like, a graphics card manufacturer. Yeah. Maybe, like, you know, maybe like a graphics card manufacturer. Yeah. Maybe like something like what would you – like one thing that, for example, I've always thought was fun is do you remember when we went to Seattle Sips with Valve and we went to a board game cafe in Seattle? Oh, that was nice.

I like that, yeah. It was a kind of cool place. It was like a board game shop. They did really good grilled cheese sandwiches there too, remember had one like every time we went and we went a couple times and they basically had like a it was almost like a large pub restaurant in the back yeah and you could kind of buy a board game and play in there or you could just like or like rent one for like two or four quid or something was very expensive and just sit around drink have a few drinks play a board game with people it was quite well lit it wasn't too noisy it was nice actually the booths

were really good like you felt like you were just lost in with your group you didn't it was just like well designed yeah it didn't feel like overwhelming you know i think it could easily be like a lot of these board game cafes that i've been to are very sticky like the games are like really old and really shabby and they yeah you're almost like in a certainly in a post-covid world you're like oh god um i'm dragging out this board game and i'm like oh i find the biggest difference like like okay take that place for example it's it was in the middle of nowhere right remember how like difficult it was to get out there we didn't really have a car at our disposal so we were kind of like either had to take a taxi there or relied on people to like drive us out there or

whatever because it was true it was in the middle of nowhere but it's more accepted in america for stuff to be out in the middle of nowhere right yeah absolutely a byproduct of that means that the place that this is this is in like the actual physical building itself is much more generous right like it was huge there was not only was there like the restaurant bit where with like big tables where you could play the games there was like private rooms that if you were having a party or whatever remember we went with jeff and like and a bunch of people they had that like that private room in the back that had like a like a hearth and everything was nuts you're right oh my god at the front it had that huge store remember where you could buy all the games and

they had like the pickup desk where you would like check out a game to play like they had thousands of games but this place was huge like i mean if you if you think think about how big it was it was like probably about as big as like an average size supermarket in the uk right and you just wouldn't get that you just wouldn't get a place like that in the uk because i feel like uh real estate is at such a premium over here like especially in jersey it just wouldn't have the same effect it would be small there'd be two tables it'd be cramped as shit it had three tables yeah yeah in the middle of bristol and i was like the fuck like how could you even make a profit on that this stuff it works in america because i think the scale is just so

much bigger and they have more space it just i think it felt what it reminded me of i guess was when i used to live in doddinghurst in this little village in in that's where we live that's where i grew up in essex doddinghurst nice, it was a little village, had its own little thing. Have they got a blue plaque there for you? DH for life. I don't fucking know. You can do the gang signs. Oh, my God. It did have like a gang.

You don't want to know about that. That's not the story entirely. But there was like a village hall in the middle of the village. But because the village was sort of fairly spread out, you'd end up having to drive there. And so everyone would drive to the village hall. And it sort of felt like that sort of size, right? the board game you know you'd sometimes go to clubs or things at the village hall and they'd have like you know like i don't know like there'd be some some event

there and it would be it was almost at the same size as this thing and it wasn't but it wasn't too big sips to feel like it was some sort of warehouse or some weird like like gaming event space you know it wasn't like going to some sort of gaming tournament or whatever. I've been to Magic the Gathering big tournaments or some of these tournaments, Warhammer tournaments, where there's a huge, vast arena with tables just stretching into the distance in these straight lines. It felt like a bar restaurant. But anyway, is that something that you would invest in? I'm interested. No, not a gaming place like that. i wouldn't personally invest in something like that because i don't see i feel like a place like

that is something that you run because it's also your hobby and you have a community of friends or whatever that would use it and then you'd make more friends like you know people who are really into it or whatever like if it was if it was that then yeah you know if i was really into board games and i love playing board games i wanted to create a space for myself to play board games with my friends and stuff yeah for sure i would i would invest in something like that but just like solely just to be like a like a silent partner just to make money or whatever i don't think there's much money to be made there you know like there's what in a board game club yeah i think there's enough to keep it running or whatever but you're not going to be like you know buying a super yacht

off the back of your board game club profits or whatever you know what i mean like yeah i mean not every investment needs to be i'm gonna be a billionaire of course not but i'm like when i'm think when i when like when i think about investments i want to like make some money you know like it's you know like stuff that's stuff that i would do for fun or whatever i wouldn't really see that as an investment like maybe you could you can kind of cut it as like an investment in like you know happiness and enjoyment or whatever and and you can justify it that way and like i'm sure i could justify it that way but if i was actually serious about investing in something i'd want to just invest in like

something that was growing that was likely to you know make some money or whatever um that's why like i that's why i thought that this jersey marijuana uh farm could could actually make some money you know what i mean like like this stuff is growing like legislation comes out and like you know opens it up more and it grows more it could make more money sort of thing like i thought it was like a pretty dude a pretty good thing i mean i'm sign me up baby where do i where do i game stop this to the mood to rocket rocket to mars it was just in the paper it was just in the in the local paper they're like they've already raised three million they need to raise two more million and then they're and then they go on to the stock market and then then they're going to just grow weed. And they're going to make all sorts of oils and shit for your arthritis, eye drops, you know.

Did you invest? No, I haven't. No. I want to, though. Send me the clipping. I'm interested. I'm interested. I want to get out to Jersey eventually and just live in a tax haven.

Yeah, man. It's like the way forward for sure. I mean, you do have to pay income tax like don't be fooled like there is still tax to be paid and uh and big social bills as well you've got to pay a lot of social over here but um like the corporate tax savings great and also you can invest in weed now too so well it's looking up well i think one of the things we always were interested in doing with with you was trying to find a partner who sells chocolate milk, right? On Jersey.

Yeah, I don't know if that's... I mean, Jersey Dairy does a chocolate milk. We never managed to get in touch with the right people to get a chocolate milk that we could market as like... Because I want to drink Jersey chocolate milk. It's really good. It's UHT milk, though. It's not like fresh chocolate milk. I mean, it is, but it's... Well, that's fine, it's UHT milk, though. Like, it's, you know, it's not like fresh chocolate milk. I mean, it is, but it's, you know.

Well, that's fine, though. You know, we've got to ship it out to people. It's really popular in China, apparently. Their biggest customer, Jersey Dairy's biggest customer is... Is a country that's famous for its lactose intolerance? Yeah, no, apparently, like, even on the cartons and stuff, a lot of it is, like, a lot of, like, the information is, apparently, like even on the cartons and stuff, a lot of it is like a lot of the information is like, you know, written in English and then in like Mandarin as well.

Like apparently it's huge over there. You'd be surprised. Sometimes the way businesses happen is there's like a local cheese manufacturer or something like this. And you talk to the person who runs it because sometimes I meet these random people and 90% of their cheese just goes straight to china or japan or something yeah market yeah there's something weird it's like just a huge i think it's just one of those things you know it is bizarre a lot of people over there and there's

opportunity someone talks to someone and they're interested and they they want a supply but they obviously are supplying an entire chain of supermarkets or something as a result it's like way more than you could deliver. And suddenly you're just entirely making cheese for this really odd market. But you can't really turn it down, you know, if you're a business owner. Sure. You know, I had two and a half bitcoins a few years ago. Oh, yeah.

And I bet you're kicking yourself now. That would have been... I sold them for two and a half grand each. Yeah, they're worth... I think all in, like now, it's like a hundred grand or something. I think it's $50,000 to $60,000 each or something like that. Yeah, for're worth what I think all in like you're like now there. It's like a hundred grand or something It's fifty to sixty thousand dollars there each. Yeah. Yeah for both of them You know, it was only two and a half grand about a year ago though. What actually people just remember it had that big dip Didn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean well when I was given a fan tip them to me

He's like a city some bitcoins. I was like, wow. Oh my god. He must be thinking like i sent you some bitcoins i was like wow oh my god he must be thinking oh why did i get they were worth like 80 or 100 dollars at the time okay but i don't get like okay so you have some bitcoins how do you sell them like where do you sell them is it just like a website yeah so there's always there's's getting pulled into the bear cave. No, but I don't. There's so many things that I just don't understand. You know, like, where do they exist? Who wants to buy them? Like, where do you sell them? I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. There are websites out there. All right. Pflax is ultra short explanation of Bitcoin. Go. Yeah. Actually, could you do it in the voice of Twitch chat as well? As if Twitch chat were explaining to sips.

No, I can't. I can't because I don't know what I'm going to say. Okay, pretend I'm streaming right now, Flax. Okay, chat, I've got three Bitcoins. What do I do now? I don't know. I don't know whether you should or not. I genuinely don't know.

Google it. I do not know. No, I know what you could do. You could sign up to a website. There's a bunch of exchanges out there. And basically, people put buy orders, people put sell orders, and they've got your Bitcoins. So you sort of sign in, you put your Bitcoin wallet code in or whatever, they have your Bitcoins, you sell them, those then go into the blockchain and now they belong to someone else and you get the money. And when I sold mine, I got

like $6,000 or whatever, and I withdrew that money to my account and that was that. That's it. I don't know what else you can do mean apparently you can buy a tesla with them according to elon musk um but you couldn't buy a pizza with them or pay a bill with them or pay your rent with them they're purely speculation and the whole idea was that of all bitcoins oh it's all gonna take if you've got a bitcoin and you and you want to sell it for 60 grand somebody is willing to buy it for 60 grand apparently no matter the day the time whatever i wake up at three in the morning and i'm like i gotta sell this bitcoin somebody is waiting yes frothing that's how buy orders work so people put a buy order in at a certain price and it'll show you the current price of bitcoin and then it'll show you what you know this is what if you sold it now this is how

much you could get like that's the buy order that we could fulfill right so someone's put a buy order saying i want to buy x number of bitcoins at this price or or lower right right this is my max okay so so these buy orders might not be the actual uh price that it's worth though like it might be worth 60 grand but the buyer might be like 50 grand so like no no no no it'll be close to yeah yeah because it's it's that's its price like when it shows you the price of bitcoin is 58 whatever this person who's buying it for 60 grand if it never goes up again then they just lose money right like yeah but i mean that's how i guess they'll spend all of their time trying to make it go up again.

Yes, exactly. By posting on Reddit and stuff. So, I mean, obviously, these things are much like any asset, which is limited in terms of how many there are. There could never be 21 million bitcoins. So the point is how much it costs to generate a bitcoin. I think bitcoin currently uses more power than, I think, something like venezuela

or something at the moment it's like a huge amount of power it's ridiculous goes into generation i think it's actually argentina oh wait so there's only 21 million have they all been mined or no so it's exponentially harder to get them and that means that the cost of making them will always increase so eventually to make a new bitcoin it will cost 60 000 so or 80 000 it'll keep going as much as in the same way that it costs there's only so much gold or silver in the crust and it costs more to get it if you're mining a bitcoin so like yeah uh i presumably you buy a bunch of graphics cards or something you get you need a lot of processing power yeah well how like you know do you just wake up one morning and on your screen it says you need a lot of processing power yeah well how like you know do

you just wake up one morning and on your screen it says you mind a bitcoin like like if you're lucky enough or essentially yes yes so so it tracks how much work you've put into the generating that bitcoin so it's like a lottery in a way like you're just no no it's not a lottery it's a lottery where you can buy and force a certain number of tickets in your favor. And then when it comes in, you get a share of the prize pool rather than just one guy. All right. So people know when the next one is going to be mined. And depending on how much effort you've put into helping mine that, you get a cut of it.

Correct. Yeah. And then once it's mined, it's just available to be purchased by? No. Oh, right. You own it at that point. be purchased by? No. Oh, right. You own it at that point. It's in your wallet. So you own a percentage of that Bitcoin.

So for instance, a Bitcoin is not literally a one or a zero. Like you can have 0.2 of a Bitcoin or 0.007 of a Bitcoin or whatever. It's a bit weird like that, but you can divide it up into chunks. Always at whatever price it's at now. So a millionth of a Bitcoin is called a Satoshi, which is named after the person who may or may not exist. The pseudonym of the inventor. The pseudonym of the creator of the code of Bitcoin originally.

And there's a lot of people who theorize. It's an open mystery of who it is. A few people have admitted to be it. Some people have claimed that they are the inventor. A few people have claimed that they know who it was. There is a few people some people have claimed a few people have claimed that they know who it was there's a few suspects no no there are people who've outright claimed that it was them as well yeah right i know because mrs f worked with one of these guys like she had to do a job for him and it was like this guy claimed that he'd invented bitcoin like that and publicly so there are people out there who claim that they're satoshi and other people like you're full of shit

so it's a weird one right and there are people like the guy who forgot the password to his hard drive or whatever that had his bitcoins on or his usb stick or whatever and you know he so supposedly they're locked on there there was a guy who threw away an old computer and it had his bitcoins on and he's been digging around in the in the tip looking for it for years there's all kinds of stupid bitcoins so the idea is that the process of generating new bitcoins also processes all of the transactions, right? So it's kind of a self-fulfilling thing, right? All the servers that are used to deal with all the complicated shit is part and parcel of the mining a new one, right?

It is very clever. But the issue is, what the fuck is a bitcoin worth other than the fact that you had to pay to generate it? It's like, well, this has to be worth something because it's limited. That does give something that does give it a baseline though you know it is worth yeah but what what the fuck is it good for come on the only thing it's good for is for people to untrackably spend and move money that is not a positive thing that is a very bad thing i mean there are cryptocurrencies that are untrackable but bitcoins you can see where the wallets are and where the bitcoins go who that wallet is like is there any way of do you know who that wallet is? Like, is there any way of saying, I know exactly whose wallet that is.

That's Tim from Up The Road. There are ways to figure it out, apparently, and stuff. And so it's not as private as... Then why do they use it for drug deals so much? Well, I think they use some other ones, like Monero and stuff are used more for that kind of thing. But there are those guys that do ransomware attacks and demand bitcoins. Like, send us two bitcoins okay so like how do you how do you then obtain two bitcoins to then uh fulfill the ransom if that's like what you were gonna do i'm asking for a friend but but listen you could see where those bitcoins went and were spent

eventually though right as well so you can see i mean it goes through systems but for example if someone tried to buy a tesla with a lot of stolen bitcoins you'd know that the stolen bitcoins were the ones that were used. And you'd be able to say, OK, the Tesla turned up on this guy's doorstep. Where did he get these Bitcoins? There is a way to have a bank account in some fucking dodgy place where it's untraceable, like or fucking Switzerland or whatever, where once the money's gone in, nobody else gets to see it and all that kind of shit. There must be a way. Otherwise, criminals wouldn't be using it. Well, yeah, there must be a way that you could you could get away with it i don't know

what that is though um and i don't know how complicated it is i'm not an expert but i i like i like the i think bitcoin really is an alternative form it's we're in a digital age it feels like you know there was this thing that happened in venezuela where they had their currency explode or whatever and runescape gold was worth more than their currency and people were right I'm not saying people were actually like using runescape gold to make trades in the street kind of thing but it felt like it was a safer place for their money than the currency and I think that people are we are living in this post-truth world of like of kind of madness and worry and fear and people not trusting in governments, people not trusting in financial systems. Look at the stock,

look at the Reddit thing. You know, it's this definite sentiment that the existing, you know, hedge funds and banks are all just gaming the system. And so, you know, do you want to invest in the stock market?

Probably not. Do you want to invest in like, do you want to have your money sat there in pounds? Probably not. Do you want to invest in a weed farm? Maybe. Do you want to put your money somewhere? Put it in not do you want to invest in a weed farm maybe do you want to put your money somewhere put it in bitcoin it feels like it's at least real estate at least it's at least it feels like it's kind of the classic safe move isn't it only goes up really yeah i mean over time it only goes up but i mean as much as bitcoin can

fucking how much you have to put into real estate like i know what's happened here you've read a thing about how great bitcoin is and now you're a convert i'm not like a disciple of bitcoin you think it's the best thing ever um lewis has always been like a big fan of bitcoin i remember years ago like when he came over to visit we were sitting outside in the sun and he was talking about bitcoin for like i'm not even joking it was like six hours it's true i own zero i own i don't own a single of bitcoin no don't know any bitcoin i just think it's i think it's bullshit and i think for a long time a lot of very dodgy people have been involved in it it's too it fluctuates far too much um essentially the idea that people could just fucking decide one day to just sell all their fucking bitcoins think what that would do like the currency doesn't move as quickly as bitcoin does

and that's a good thing and also what if the government wanted to do things like quantitative easing which is a genuine good thing for the governments need to do sometime how do they do that they have no control bitcoin by democratizing it i think you'd fuck up the economic systems the idea that this would liberate it why are you trusting everybody out there who's holding bitcoins to do the right thing it's ridiculous it's always been there's always been for as long as there have been systems there has been people who are skeptical of the systems that don't trust the systems and you have to have those peoples to keep the system clean right you have to have you you do have to have like there's always been people who've been keeping money under their bed and or you know buying gold coins and burying them in a fucking

wood it's been there's always been these people and they're always gonna be these people and bitcoin is just the latest version of people feeling like they need to protect themselves because a lot of people's idea of what quantitative easing is it's just causing you know printing vast amounts of money and destroying a currency because you, every fiat currency ever has gone to zero, you know. So why have this, why have your investment in something which can just, the government could just balloon at any point when you could have it in something where there's a limited amount, you know. It's like there are 21 million Bitcoins.

If you own one Bitcoin, you're, you know, that's more than, there's 4 billion people in the world, you know. So you're... 4 billion? How many more than there's there's four billion people in the world you know you know so you're four billion how many seven billion how many people eight billion and eight a half i think now there's like there's like eight well it's like there's like 20 million people in the world out there there's a lot of people there's a bitcoin for everybody at least a dozen people out there i'm sure of it i'm just plenty of bitcoins i'm talking shit i'm talking shit but i'm basically out window there's like three people in the world. They just walk past my window. I don't know.

It's like, it feels like, I don't know. It just feels like you actually own something. I don't know. I'm not really a convert because I guess... But I feel like there's a sentiment right out there where people want to try something different. And I think it is as easy as buying Path of Exile, doing Path of Exile trade sips. You just log into a website and you just do it.

And then you have Bitcoins in your wallet. It's not completely difficult to do. And I also think that what we've got is, I think the mainstream have caught on. I think a lot of big investment houses, a lot of big banks and people who've managed huge amounts of money for people have put 1% of their portfolio in Bitcoin. And so that's made it huge. And I think that will always keep it at a certain...

I think it's got over this threshold where it isn't kind of just play monopoly money anymore. It is worth something. Things are worth something to people if it is it is worth something as things are worth something to people if they think they're worth something um and so i think that in in a sense it is a it is a token it is a a fake it's not real it doesn't represent anything it's just some numbers but it is to some people they like it as a compare like a way to compare value and i i don't know like as a currency i just think i think because people have hooked on to it i'm not sure about all the others that's what i'm more dubious about i

don't really understand why all the others are so successful as well i assume it's just people hedging their bets and thinking oh maybe maybe someone's going to adopt bitcoin as the official currency of something and i don't know like are we are we going to get to a point where we have credit cards and we just beat them and they pay for everything in Bitcoin? You know, when you get paid your paychecks, you're going to Bitcoin. But it's not a full Bitcoin, though. It's like, could be like a fraction of a Bitcoin that's worth. Yeah, of course it would be. Because it'd be like, I mean, essentially the point is, yes, you can talk about fiat currencies all you like and all the rest of it.

But I really hope this doesn't become a thing. I really sincerely hope this doesn't become the global currency because I think it would be a fucking disaster it's it's tricky right i think the big problem is is that you know what we've learned it's supposed to be well we're supposedly supposed to have learned over the last 50 years is that you know you the government needs tools to mess with the currency of their country very much and if we do away with that i mean for example what what they had to do you know when you have runaway inflation they go what was it i think it was in brazil i think they might be on the real it could be wrong someone could look this up but essentially their old currency

was so bad that the cost of a loaf of bread was going up by like you know 50 grand a day or whatever so your money was worthless like it was like in the the old days of uh you know germany when you had a wheelbarrow of cash to buy a loaf of bread and all that kind of stuff so they created a new currency and they set the baseline price according to the cost of everyday things so like all right so one real is one loaf of bread so if you have one they did this in rome actually and that was one of the main things that caused a problem in rome because these things just don't work people will find a way it's like the classic story of the fucking people paying in India for the snakes. You know, it's like, oh, you know, bring a snake to us

and we'll pay you a dollar, you know, to get rid of the snakes. And suddenly everyone's making snake farms. And so they're cashing in tens of snakes every day. And then they're like, okay, we can't pay a dollar for snakes anymore. So all these snake farms just release all the snakes. And there's hundreds of snakes everywhere. Can you imagine how much more interesting the hip-hop scene would be if currency was snakes like you you had like all these guys like driving around in cars with like

a million snakes in the back seat and like all around them and stuff that'd be kind of the videos of them holding up loads of snakes instead of just benjamin look at all these snakes yo i got this they got like a penthouse in manhattan and just these big snake vats like everywhere like that bit in raid of the lost ark where he's underground there's all the fucking snakes there's biggie smalls yeah i got the fucking snakes he's got loads around his neck instead of gold chains it's not like a vault full of money it's just a vault full of snakes yeah yeah it'd be awesome don't go in there i well but they did it recently with carbon capture as well so there was they had this

idea of carbon capture credits like if you didn't you know if you created these things which basically were like to do with like processes that use less co2 then you would you would um be able to redeem these carbon capture credits and get tax free or save money or whatever. And what they found was that these companies were just manufacturing chemicals that were, you know, really awful chemicals and, you know, just in order to get free carbon capture credits in the same way. Right. And so it was it was like people can't help but play the game and you can never really predict it when you start messing with markets like that. It's really difficult. You have to be so vigilant

but i will say this if at least the system we've got obviously it's not perfect and as you say some people are always going to fuck with it but it has got us this far it's it's generally we it could be improved definitely but i don't think we need to just sack the whole thing off and put our faith in something as shaky as bitcoin i think it would be a big mistake the all the institutions and the systems that we've got more or less work with what we've got now. And whilst there is huge disparity in wealth and there's fuck Wall Street and all that shit, that can be fixed with regulation if there's a brave enough government to come in and do it. If there's a collective will globally to say, right, let's fucking get this under control, that could be done. It doesn't need to chuck it all in and say, Bitcoin will save us because there's a limit on the number that could be mine and then blah blah blah it's like it fuck off like

can we just fix what we've got instead of coming up with some new bullshit that people are making a shitload of money out of by tricking everyone into thinking oh bitcoin bitcoin bitcoin everybody fucking buys bitcoin the price goes up and then they sell what a fucking surprise it's the classic pump and dump scheme and it can do one no you're a completely i completely agree um we can't help it we love board games we love video games we try and game everything everyone tries to game everything all the time and there's some people who devote their whole life to weird shit like i was reading the thing this week um about like because you know there's to be these parish council meetings which happen on that it's all being in the. Wasn't that unpleasant? That guy whose kid was shouting,

Read the rules! Or whatever. Read the standing order! Just yelling, Calm the fuck down, dude. Guy whose kid? That guy was older than you. No, no, no.

There was him. His son was also there shouting. Yeah, but his son was older than you. No, he wasn't. I thought he was a younger guy. He looked older than you. Christ, he was fucking... I appreciate that.

Thank you. These guys are all ancient, these parish council fucking people. I thought it was the old dude and then his son looked like he was maybe in his 30s or something like that so so back in back in the day back in doddinghurst my dad's job in fact was the parish back to doddinghurst so he was the parish clerk of doddinghurst right and which was the only i believe it's the only paid it's the only actual paid member of the parish council. You're supposed to be paid three pigs and a bushel of oats.

Yeah, you don't get paid very much, but I think it's like a kind of local accountant for the village and you sort of do things. I don't think you have that much power. I don't think you're elected. You're kind of an employee as a result. But you have to deal with all these parish, and I mean parish councils are this thing in, right at the bottom of the fucking rung of decision making oh my god they

quibble for six months over how to decide how to spend 200 pounds on whether this should be a new sign or not do you know i mean it's it's it's the the most the most petty it attracts these these these awful people who you know in the village who are generally old busybodies and it's the kind of shit you see on i guess village facebook groups you know or village um whatsapp groups where they they're incredibly nosy and they complain about things like there's a there's an unusual car been parking in my road right you know for the last last week as if as if that's something you call the police about you know um and they're incredibly upset about this this thing right and these things are full of people complaining about mostly dog shit uh in the local region okay and there's always like i read this on the other day but there's there's this great story and people

have stories about like what's going on and there's usually local vigilantes dealing with the dog poo in some way right and like like the classic example is wanksy who was the guy who spray painted dicks around potholes in the road do you remember so he'd see a pothole in the road and to draw attention to it and get the council to fix it he'd spray paint a fluorescent massive cock around it um and it would be hilarious right um and so but but other people have sort of taken his message on board and so this one one person has been every time they see a dog shit they've been just spray painting it with fluorescent yellow paint or whatever right so i think that's a good idea i like the shit you avoid i wish they do that over here. There's shit on the road all the time.

Like, when I walk my kids to school, we're always looking down. Only down. Same. You have to. There's shit everywhere. You should get a spray paint. Just start spray painting.

Start spray painting and shaming. Apparently one thing he did was he saw a guy who did it and was walking away from the dog shit. So he spray painted arrows all the way down the road point from the dog shit pointing to this guy's house which i just love the idea that's amazing and then someone else you know how when you go to nando's and you get a little flag in your fucking oh i love that chicken that says like perry perry or chili and lime or whatever those little cocktail stick flags they

were putting them in the dog shits as if they were like little sausages of deliciousness so that makes me feel ill well it does like you have to get quite close to the dog shit yeah that's so gross but the thing is that there's a it's it's i'm gonna be honest with you it's mostly old people genuinely right because the old people that i see around here it's just not a thing we're not as a dog owner myself we always take poo bags with us if and quite often if you see someone and the dog's in a poo and they're looking at their pockets like oh you like oh do you need a bag oh thank you it's like a thing like all the dog owners around here pick up but then you see some old fucker and they walk on their dog and their dog shits everywhere and they just walk on that's crazy this old lady lived this old lady lived a few doors down from us

what she used to do when her dogs would poo in the backyard she would put it over the fence into another garden what do you mean crazy what do you mean so she would actually pick it up but she would put it over the fence right so she had two little dogs how would she pick it up i guess with a tissue or something like that but she would just drop it over the back fence. Now, her house backed onto a sort of communal alleyway. And one of our neighbors, the lady who lived next door to her, was like, it was the summer and there was this awful smell. And she looked in the alleyway and there was like a mountain of dog shits.

This lady had been doing it for months and probably years, just dumping them over the fence. What the fuck is wrong with fucking stack up they're old they just they i mean we would go in the house they're fucking wasted they're high on the jersey weed farms latest no but honestly though like jamaican that's that is worrying behavior that somebody acts like that dude we had to go into their house one time to help her husband who was even older than her was very old lad he was not in a good way he'd fallen over and he couldn't get up he obviously needed to be in a home he would fall over like once a week i mean another

neighbor would go and help this guy up and the house stank of dog piss like the dogs were clearly just out of control peeing and pooing wherever they wanted and nothing was it's like hell on earth it's it's sad it's sad because honestly they just they just can't cope they just can't cope so that's why i think a lot of the time it's old people because bending over might be too difficult or they just they've never picked up dog shit so they never do they don't even fucking notice it's almost always old people correct me if i'm wrong but um that's my experience i think we should start spray painting arrows in front of their houses in that case because then someone's gonna send them someone's gonna send some help around do you know what i mean they need help that's the problem if we can't handle it because because when i sold this to duncan he was like upset because he thought

sometimes his dog's done a shit and he will be like oh fuck i forgot a poo bag and he'll go back get a poo bag and then go back and clean up the shit right right and he was said if i came out and found that some guy had spray painted an arrow to my house in the in the minute that i'd been rushing back you know i would feel terrible and i was like i don't think that is happening very often though right i don't think i think 99 of the people who leave dog shits outside they are not thinking oh i'll come back and clean this up or are actually doing it right so what you can get is a little clip-on thing that goes onto the the handle of the dog lead and it's like a roll of bags goes in that so when you put the dog on the lead you look at this thing hanging off the handle when you're putting your own hand you can see whether

you've got bags or not it's the best thing because we've never gone out without a bag because of that because we're like oh we're out of bags put some more on the roll job done it's much simpler it's it's not something you can really there's no excuse for forgetting i would say yeah i i agree like oh my god anyway i thought i just thought that was like a little i think it's funny by the way i'm really looking forward to the comments this week regarding bitcoins uh i'm looking forward to the comments regarding dog poo yeah i'm looking forward to the comments regarding pretty much everything we've said uh i just want to state for the record, this is not an educational podcast.

I don't know if you've noticed. No, no, it's just a couple of old friends having a chat about this, that. We are barely aware of any of this. We're old, but we're not wise. I don't know. I would say this, for every person out there that's correcting

shit I bet there's a load of gaps in their fucking knowledge do they just not talk about those things they just keep still oh no I only speak about things I know about well then you can only talk about two fucking things bitcoins and graphics cards that's the entirety of your conversation I can't talk about those things at all I mean I don't know shit about them graphics

cards as well I don't even know what graphics card I have in my computer right now. Like, it's that bad. I don't know either. We're just talking shit. It just works. We're just talking shit. Anyway, thank you everyone for listening this week. Yep.

It's what a complex mess of podcasts. We covered it all. Local government, international finance, drugs, investments, dog shit. Done it all. We've covered it all. Care for the elderly, space, dog shit. Done it all. We've covered it all. Care for the elderly, space, board games, travel. It's all out there.

It's been a roller coaster. I feel like also we've solved a lot of the problems in the world as well. Just through having a simple chat. Just a simple little chat. My mum just texted me hopefully we filled one hour and 13 minutes or so my mom's having a covid jab today oh man well best of luck i hope that she um she doesn't like feel too sick and stuff from it and i think it's

about a 10 chance you get poorly a friend of mine had it recently i think you're supposed to i think you're supposed to get some like chills and stuff because that's how it works, right? A lot of people don't. Some people feel really poorly for a day or so, but some people are just bad. Well, she's calling me, so I am going to have to go and check. Right, right, right.

Goodbye, all! Goodbye!