Triforce! - Triforce! #166: Disaster Top Trumps

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

Triforce! Episode 166! We enter to domain of Lord Pflax and gaze upon his family heriarchy, continue to be amazed by space and find some lighthearted shows to take our minds off things! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, everyone. Hello, everyone. Hello everyone! Hello! Hello! Welcome to the Triforce Podcast. That's right. We're back. We're back. We continue to try to find strange outlets for our COVID lockdown and freezing cold weather shit.

Oh, it's a beautiful day today. Man, it's beautiful here today it is sunny it is sunny but i heard on the radio this morning right well alexa told me in the news report actually that's that's my equivalent of radio right uh she said that it's going to be a white easter right yeah so so first of all sad that it's getting cold again but second thing i don't know when easter is is it i is is it the last sunday in march or is it last sunday in april or the first sunday in april or is it something like tuesday after pentecostal gruns day it's like a fucking floating holiday i

don't reckon that's why they have the easter egg hunt because you always have to fucking search for when easter is i think it might be a representation of that i mean i i when i was a kid i don't know if this was the case for you guys easter was when i got chocolate in a large enough quantity that i felt secure you know what i mean it was like oh i've got i've got enough chocolate now to last me a while i've got like a stash if it wasn't easter or christmas like a squirrel literally this is my harvest now we must we must look after or or a fit or a 65 year old man Who's invested in a pension his whole life and is finally? So for me it was a big thing and also you had school holidays and stuff like that based around it

But now I want a big bar of chocolate. I just fucking go buy a big bar man Yeah, that's it's like a very common thing now right like if you i don't know if you've been to wh smith recently but oh my god what is it like the snaking chocolate cube that's huge it's crazy it's just like a sign of the times i guess people what are you talking about what there's people in wh smith buying chocolate oh my god you've got to be the biggest confectionery retailer in the uk right now like a store previously known for selling magazines and books and stationery is now um competing with like massive grocery stores and everything for confectionery like they sell so much chocolate it's it's insane and it's it's all because like hughes yeah to get out of this

to to get to the tills to pay are just lined with confectionery now it's probably their number one seller in all honesty other than back to school yeah yeah it's wild yeah it's wild i i suppose you are right it is the place that people pick up snacks for journeys there's always them in the airports and train train stations. And I guess for some people, chocolate is a little bit like cigarettes. You know, you need a chocolate bar to keep you going. I honestly don't eat sweets that much.

But what we do is we get, there's a brand of chocolate called Tony Choc-a-lonely. Right. Let me tell you something. Fuck me. That doesn't sound like the brand of chocolate of somebody who doesn't eat sweets that often. That sounds really refined. Let me tell you something that doesn't sound like the brand of chocolate of somebody who doesn't eat sweets that often that sounds i know let me tell you something that sounds like it's so good dude it is so fucking good like tony choccoloni the branding kind of makes it look like one of the willy wonka bars in that it's big and then the print is very bright colors very big letters

uh we thought it was tony choccoloni but it's tony choccolonely which makes me think is this for sad people but it is honestly if if i i would i i would i would recommend so basically it's it's come up with by this guy apparently who thought he was the only person in the world who was opposed to child slavery and child labor. So he deliberately made a company to ensure that none of his chocolate came, none of his chocolate used that. And this was in 2002, apparently. Wait, hold on a second.

That's where the loan becomes from. Back up a minute there. Yeah. He thought he was the only person in the world who was opposed to that? Yes, apparently. I guess in the chocolate industry, everyone is just so complacent and used to just ignoring the fact that there's horrible stuff as most people are

in business you know these guys in suits out of the ivory tower not the ivory coast that's that's where the slavery chocolate added again wouldn't you like to have an ivory children and then you got the little man t Chocolonely coming by And he just wants to make a difference He just wants to save the kids But Big Chocolate won't let him They buy explicitly From farms

That are not using exploitation Do they call them up? Do you guys have any slave children there? No, no slave children here what about turning it on its head and actually singing from the rooftops that you are employing child labor like why has why why not put a couple of like sad looking kids on the on the chocolate bar and be like these sad kids made this chocolate and stuff just embrace the the illegality of here's a question you know the way they put that on the the illegality of here's a question you know the

way they put that on cigarette packets a picture of someone's lung falling out of their nose and stuff yeah yeah if you put a picture of the sad slave people that made yeah a kid like sewing a soccer ball with his bare hands right how many people would stop buying the chocolate i know but everyone no no one would no everyone no they wouldn't you buy a chocolate bar to make you feel happy you buy a pack of cigarettes because you need those fuckers yeah but they also make you happy it's i don't i don't think you can compare the addiction that people have to nicotine to the addiction people have for chocolate it's obviously different but yeah sugar addiction is a real thing your body craves it yeah and i think i think a lot of people would still buy the chocolate i don't

think it would affect sales that much well i don't think it's affected cigarette sales that much and you can see these fucking diseased ass lungs and teeth and stuff and they're still smoking yeah you know if you talk to smokers they collect them like uh like playing cards like football like oh look i've got uh i remember like even even when i used to smoke in like the 90s when i was like in my sort of late later teens they had all of that all of that stuff and uh you used to get the we didn't collect them because they're kind of gross but you saw you saw the gum disease ones and the then like you know the uh the diseased lung and the and the rotten teeth and everything and i don't know i mean it didn't bother you it wasn't a and everything. And I don't know.

I mean, it didn't bother you. It wasn't a deterrent. So I don't think it would make a difference. Well, it doesn't bother you because when you're a certain age, you think you're invulnerable and you think you're immune. And it won't happen to you. And you think you're immune to it. You know, I think that there's so many people go through life with this psychology.

Isn't that true? That they're not part of your whole life? They're special somehow i don't think that's unique to younger people i mean look at the people during a pandemic who are still traveling still trying to go on holiday still spreading a virus you know what i mean i think everybody carries that with them or at least certain people do where they're just like this doesn't affect me i've got my own rules i'm just gonna do whatever the fuck i like you know like i think it's the same you actually you are right i think people are the center of their

own universe as a result we can't help it just assuming that we feel like oh you know other people get lung cancer i'm not gonna get lung yeah you know they did this thing over here where there was a couple of cases we had a whole bunch of cases of covid and um we went into like another lockdown the cases went right down and uh but they were still finding every once in a while like these these sort of bursts of cases would come through and they did like a i think they they basically followed up to see they were interested to see in in this particular case how the spread happened and um without naming names they just sort of like walked through um you know the events that led to a bunch of people getting covid and um and the

whole time is like person a uh went to a party attended by person b and person c person d later on got it and then went to a party where person and you're just thinking why are you going to a party during these times how what goes through your mind when you think that there's millions of people that have died from this and you're just going to a party all the same like you would have you would have done before this broke out it's crazy they had they had a big report on the news last night about uh people who just fucking didn't give a shit met up had had these huge parties it happened all over the place yeah yeah it's yeah it's it's it is mind-blowing isn't it i mean you've had it flax like you you know that it's fucking terrible right

well here's the here's the thing um a few people have said to me this that his people don't listen right so for example a friend of mine said that they thought they already had COVID because they had a bit of a sniffle in March. So they think they're cool. They think they've had it. And I said, well, you'll know when you've got it because you'll be sicker than you've ever been in your life. It's fucking horrible.

And everybody's wading in in the comments with, oh, no, no, no. It affects different people differently, actually. And I'm thinking that's become the thing, hasn't it? Oh, you can get it and not even know. So people just think, ah, who cares? I don't know how you... Why are we taking such turns?

I don't know how you weighed in with an opinion if you haven't had it in that context. I mean, they are right. Some people, I mean, for instance, for some of the guys I played Dota with, one of them's had it and he just lost his sense of taste and smell. He lost it for quite a while,

but he wasn't like poorly otherwise. He had a bit of a croaky throat. He wasn't like bedridden like I was. So it does affect different people differently. It's possible that this person had it, but all I'm saying is why are we being so laissez faire about it and saying, ah, well, some people,

it doesn't affect, you know, for older people, especially for people, people who are sick and don't even know it. Um, a friend of mine died of it. He didn't have any health problems.

He died. He was my age. So it does it does happen just take don't take any fucking chances come on guys it's a global pandemic can we fucking just get on board with this please jesus sorry but this is uh yeah i'm really sorry to hear that's crazy um this is just to reinforce the point that i think people um continually throughout their lives believe that they're somehow invincible or somehow exempt from the rules that everybody else seems to have no problem following. And then, you know, going to a party or whatever, it just seems crazy to me. I think people have this power to self-justify. They hear one thing and they think, that's probably what happened to me.

And then that becomes the gospel in their head. And then everything they do is, you know, alleviate. No one goes through life constantly feeling, well, some people do constantly feeling anxious and guilty about what they're doing but those people don't tend to do that many bad things you know i think people who people who do bad things feel like they have to do them for a reason either it is to you know for something maybe they they want a new phone you know it's funny but um my my dad always used to say when we were talking about um like whenever i go to see him in the states there's a lot of driving because it's america right so you know you're chatting and stuff like that we were listening to the radio and there was some news

thing about how uh the police had caught some guy with like 100 kilos of of of horse in his boot you know that's that's heroin obviously like yeah in his boot and i was like how dumb do you have to be to get pulled over by the police for like a busted taillight because it's always some shit like that like the guy's driving up from mexico or wherever with all this heroin and he gets busted because he's like taillight shot and then he's like yeah sure thing officer no other problems i'll just be going he's like going. He's like, what's that in the back of your car there, sir? Huh? Car's looking a bit weighed down there, son.

It's a little powdery there, sir. It got a little unidentified powder coming up out of the car. For some reason, they're in the very far north now. I can hear a light whinnying. There's a name coming from your booth there. He's got a hundred kilogram horse in here. He's got a bunch of live horses in his car but my dad was like well if you're gonna break big laws you're gonna break the small ones too so these guys who are willing to potentially spend

the rest of their lives in jail to smuggle a load of drugs aren't gonna bite be fucking signaling before a turn they've already abandoned laws they've opted out of the whole law i don't know i feel like i would be even more careful like you would like if i was a cop i'd be looking for extra cautious drivers those are the guys that are transporting all the horse no no we're just going riding we're just going equestrianism without horse this is fully legal horse senor i am just moving my horse to the north. It's a little far north here for a 100-kilogram horse. I think that's a little small for me. 100-kilo horse must be tiny, right?

Oh, man. It's like a big dog. My dog weighs 20 kilos, I think. Geez. Well, you do see him. Oh, yeah, how is your dog doing? Oh, Aggie? She's great.

Nice. She's involved currently in a long, ongoing power struggle regarding the sofa. Right, right. So she understands that the ranking in the house goes, me and Mrs. F, the kids, her, right? She understands that. She's the smallest one. The cat operates in a small fiefdom of her own upstairs.

But for Aggie, the downstairs area, she just wants, like, she loves me and mrs f she's fond of the girls you know she doesn't go as nuts for them as she does for me and mrs f they do feed her most of the time so she's starting to begrudging respect and they do walk her and stuff like that but you can just tell that then she's not as into them as she is into me and mrs f because she understands on a dog level that I sometimes tell my daughters off and she's watching and telling me like

oh yes moving up the ladder that you know so in her mind in her dog mind anytime I tell one of the kids off

that's bumped Aggie up a notch and the other one's gone down so less food for her now and more for Aggie that's how she sees it so with the sofa

every evening when I come down after stream and i sit on the sofa and watch telly i just like this whole thing being like a fantasy castle like realm setting it's very game of thrones in her little mind so i sit on the sofa and she wants to sit next to me and she she lies lengthways next to my legs and she like snuggles in and she's like very happy and she looks up at me and i have to pet her and when i stop petting her she looks up at me sadly against her basically this is like her time for just for me to pet her on the sofa she loves it she's very happy sometimes one of the kids wants to sit with me and you know i love cuddling my

kids so i'm sitting there with my with my daughter one of my daughters watching the telly aggie looks horrified this is like oh my god i'm losing my position they're territorial too right very when they think that something's theirs or whatever like they're yeah so she will sit there and stare or she'll get up on the sofa and look at my daughter and me with this sort of horrified look and then she'll gradually try and creep and if a gap opens up between us it's like even an inch she'll try and leap in there and like shove my door out of the way with her legs and stuff. It's, I don't let her do it because I don't want her to think. Man, my daughter does that to my son now.

And they're people. Like, it's really weird. It's a mammal thing. We're social creatures. We have these, like my daughter's going through this phase now. Like she's five. So she's waking up in the night and she feels frightened. So she has to like

you know come into our room and and get get into our bed which is you know fine like we went through the the whole thing with my son as well but on on the odd night um my son will come in as well he'll hear the commotion he'll come in too and he'll be like oh you know like i want to get in too and then they'll actually have a full fight like no i was here first there's not enough room for you no no i need to get in there and you're just like it's fucking three in the morning like how do you guys have the energy for this it's yeah i'm like like half comatose like it's bad enough that one of them wants to get in there and then this is how you end up this is how you end up sleeping in his bed and your wife ends up sleeping in her bed it's just like you just switch places listen all all parents

or or soon-to-be parents out there the best advice i can give you is get your kids into like uh like a single bed as soon as possible as soon as they're like like it's safe enough and comfortable enough for them to get into like a full-size single bed do it because it's like such a good backup you know like when you're when your bed is like overflowing with extra people because of like Frights in the night man you've got like I've got my pick of single beds I can sleep in and get like a you know decent amount of shut-eye it's pretty good I know we never let the kids sleep in with us ever oh we just well we've completely given up like in some ways because it's like you like you just spent all night back and forth you know like okay are you like you're you're less frightened now you're fine yeah okay okay go to sleep see you in the morning

great like five minutes later they just like i remember this did happen and certainly my my eldest never tried this because she's just kind of she's always been if she's got a problem she'll keep it to herself for weeks until she suddenly realizes she can't solve this and then she'll come to you right so she'll be like three weeks ago so and so said this what do i do about that and i'm like well what do you mean three weeks ago what have you been doing since then and she she's very independent she wants to try and solve it herself first which is admirable at the same time sometimes it'll be something that as an 11 year old i know she can't handle and she needs help and she won't seek it until she absolutely needs it. Which I think, honestly, that'll serve her well in later life, being quite independent, solving problems on herself, not being helpless or whatever.

I think that's awesome. But you've got to look for help sometimes. My youngest is the opposite. So she'll just decide. She went through, goes through these phases where she decides she's had a nightmare and she needs to sleep in with with me and mrs f sometimes we let her she's pretty good uh she'll stay quite still and go to sleep my eldest whenever when she was a very little she used to sometimes sleep in with us very kicky very punchy rolly my daughter's the same she it's like a wrestling match like it's awful it's fine like when she's just going to sleep, but once she's actually asleep, oh my God. It's awful. I woke up one time and I thought somebody was jumping on the bed.

It turned out she was just flailing, but she was completely asleep. It was unbelievable. I couldn't believe it. It's crazy. It's weird, right? They're just different. Yeah. Our oldest is the same.

I always send her back. If I'm there, when I'm away, when I used to go away, either I'd go to Bristol or I'd go to a dogerver event or something i'd be away for a week or two one of the kids would always come in and sleep with mrs f because yeah you know i think that's a pretty hard thing yeah yeah yeah i'm not there mrs f is like you know i'm happy with this because someone else is in here and it's nice and then you get to do the trick especially when they're really young you get back and you're like who's been sleeping in bed? Like you act like you're all pissed about it. And they're like, that wasn't me.

I love doing the scary dad stuff. Oh yeah, I do it all the time. Yeah. I still do it all the time. Yeah, of course. But isn't that my favorite part is, they know it's a game, but they're also really scared.

I used to be scared. My dad did a thing with the oven glove where he would put on the oven glove. We had an oven glove that looked like a lizard. So it was like a lizard's head oven glove. It went all the way up your arm. And he would peek it around the door of the dining room from the kitchen.

And I would just see this glove and I would be shrieking in terror. And this thing would be sort of opening its mouth at me and looking all scary. And I was terrified. I was like oh my god and looking back it's like i knew it was him and i but i and i was laughing but i was also genuinely afraid of that thing yeah which way how does that happen i mean it wasn't like he put stuck

blades on it or anything but i remember being really afraid so of course i do that to my own kids and they think it's hilarious it makes me worried though whether you are i don't know whether that's i don't know i don't know where i don't know where the where the line is up there right when are you just scared like traumatizing your kids and when uh like it's you know it's not like i'm waking them up at four in the morning you know you're not like i'm yeah you're not like it's not three o'clock you're like turning on the vacuum cleaner in their room keep them them out of your bed though, right? They come into your bedroom and the oven glove's there. They're like, oh, you know, well, if they wake up scared, then again, maybe the oven glove is not a good way to keep scare out of your bed as well.

I don't know. Anyway, shall we move on? Did you know that, did you see the news that NASA had landed this thing on Mars this week? I haven't actually caught up fully with the news but yes i was aware of it oh it's amazing i watched the launch i watched the launch on stream because it's very tense right this has taken them years and a lot of money and a lot of planning and a lot of science and everything so this thing this what they did was incredible and what it's going to do is also incredible so this thing came into the atmosphere and it was traveling at like

five or six kilometers a second or something stupid like that and hits the atmosphere and slows down and then this huge parachute comes out and as it's going down it jettisons the parachute and now it's got this sky crane thing which is like this rocket propelled landing craft that lowers the perseverance down onto the ground this thing is the size of a car and it's all doing this yeah it's huge it just has to know but as it's coming in it does this radar scan of the ground and finds a landing site it's like oh yeah that's a bit bumpy all right we'll go for that bin aims for this bit where it's going to land it's it's astounding and it just had to do it all by itself because obviously with the what is it nine minute ten minute difference um it depends on the orbit of mars i guess but

whatever the difference is we don't know we're just like well hope this goes okay and you see the crash or it hasn't by the time we find out and then it's down and it immediately sends a picture and then we've got videos and we've got sound and there's a little helicopter they're gonna fly around it's amazing it is amazing it's wild they got a little drone yeah well i guess can you call a drone a mini helicopter i suppose it's yeah it's more than what would you call it well i mean it's called a drone i think everyone knows what's what a drone is why are they calling it a mini helicopter i did just for for like dads who don't know what a drone is i think dads are the most likely to know what a drone is i feel i feel like perseverance is i'll be be called that because we've obviously

had crashed ones before and stuff um and i feel like you know it's good to like finally get something something down but yeah like i don't know it's it's what's what's it what's it gonna do then what what's the exciting stuff it doing? It's actually collecting samples this time. It's got more scientific instrumentation on it. I think its primary goal is to try to discover if there was life on Mars at one point. Yeah. I think they're pretty sure there was. I think they're pretty sure there was because I think where they found evidence of water indicates that there's at least got to be some organisms that lived on the planet at some point.

There might be microbial life. I don't know. So if they find it, like if they do find some microbial life, this would be the big one for me. Like, I think this would be huge. Very unlikely. for me, like, I think this would be huge. Very unlikely, but let's say they found some that was still, they were able to somehow extract, not with this mission, but in the future, extract some DNA from one of these things somehow.

Like, if they found one that wasn't maybe even still alive down there in the ice, you never know. If the DNA was the same as Earth DNA, I think it would give us a really good idea of where life may have come from on the planet, because one of the theories is that some comet came through and deposited organic life or matter or something whatever the precursors were on earth right like that that might have been one of the things that led to to life was that there was some kind of right seed uh and if that was coming through the solar system

and maybe it had been traveling for a long time and it gradually breaking up and part of it broke up and landed on mars and part of it broke up and landed on earth so we sort of had a common thread um begs all kinds of questions about where the life on that comet came from of course but it's possible might have been seeded by some uh alien race in the long ago you never know maybe maybe pretty nutty i mean i've read some stuff saying that that's uh what was it was that the name of it the the rock that came through a couple years ago maybe for came through the solar system it was shaped like a cigar basically um and someone somewhere some guy claims that that was almost certainly not its destination was a anomaly in space that looked like Monica Lewinsky's coochie. Oh my god.

Old joke for you there. That's a Jay Leno joke. Probably look like Monica Lewinsky. Yeah, it was a Jay Leno joke. That's all he fucking did for like three years. Fucking hilarious, man. Holy shit. Yeah, no, it's fucking really interesting

stuff. I love space. My wife hates space. She doesn't like to hear about it. Mrs. F's the same. She's like, yeah. She's like, I was telling her about something one time. She's like, will you lay off with this fucking space?

Shit. I don't want to hear any of this. I love it. I love it. Yeah. I guess it doesn't matter. That's the thing. It's like it doesn't affect your life.

It doesn't really, no. I mean, I'm sure some people would argue like, well, this affects all of us at some point technically, but, you know, whatever. It's like it doesn't really affect your day-to-day, I guess, is the point. I love astronomy and all of this stuff and trying to figure out what's going on out there and what the hell it all is. It's so weird.

It's just so weird and odd to think there's these vast spaces of nothingness with these burning hot balls of gas in them and sometimes loads of different space objects. I think it's so weird.

Talk more about the burning hot water. It's just, if you think about it, how weird it all is. It is weird. The distances are so enormous, and the fact that there could be other forms of life out there doing stuff, making giant things, or messing with physics or god knows what they're doing if they even are there it's we it's just so exciting and so on so much unknown yeah so much mystery there's nothing and nothing near us we're never gonna see aliens god damn it

it's a shame but it's never gonna happen never never never well what if uh what if somebody invents like uh you know like in the expanse the guy that accidentally invented like the super hyper mega driver whatever you know like you never know i mean you can't be too i mean you can you can yeah you're right um like a friend of mine's a physicist and we were talking about this and it's like the only thing that they could really like there's no way to travel faster than the speed of light, right? It's, it's impossible. And I was, I was watching a video the other day about why that is. Cause I was like, what if you got that fast and just went one mile an hour faster, you know,

what's going to stop you. And then I think as they understand it, or as I understand it, which probably means I don't understand it. The problem is that the event and the causality would be out of sync so you might for example have a collision and then see that collision later or something and that fundamentally that breaks some law of the universe so kind of like please please do leave a comment pointing out like imagine imagine desync in uh tarkov it's like that it's like tarkov desync but with the speed of light and causality cause and effect so i think that would be an issue and also there are also physical constraints on the fact that traveling that fast requires so much fucking energy like even traveling at like six percent of the speed of light is insane the amount of energy that that requires and the amount of

time and speed that you need to be going so that's an issue. So the solution is that we don't actually, we cheat by not traveling, but sort of bending space or wormholes, which is a big one. But we haven't seen a wormhole, have we? There's no evidence for wormholes. It's just an idea. It feels pretty dodgy as well to start fucking with bending space.

Yeah, you can really screw some shit up. It feels pretty scary stuff. stuff well here's the thing you've heard about planet planet x or whatever it's called right i'm not talking about that ridiculous um what is it called nibiru shit where there's an exoplanet headed here what what they're saying is that the the the way that the outer planets so pluto and whatever the other shitty dwarf planets that nobody cares about in the in the suburbs of the solar system out there. Those ones, their axis of rotation and their sort of orbits cannot be explained unless you put another planet with a mass 10 times the Earth out in the distant orbit of the sun. If we put one there, it explains it all.

But we can't see it. And it's very hard to find. So one of the things is that it might be very hard to find because it's not a planet but a small black hole so it'd be about the size of an orange and it would have a mass 10 times the size of the earth at that size and i'm thinking in because i've been playing solaris lately my first thought was my first thought was ah so when we unlock the black hole wormhole technology luckily our solar system comes equipped with a miniature black hole. Perfect.

All we need to do is miniaturize ourselves down to the size of an orange, and then we'll be able to walk through. We can zip through. Okay. So that's something. So complete change of subject here. But I was watching a film called Witness, which is a Harrison Ford film, 80s film, very good movie,

about a guy who, he's a cop it's about a bunch of corrupt cops and this little kid this little amish kid witnesses a murder when he's when he's on a trip to baltimore and then he has to be protected by harrison ford because the corrupt police know they were the ones who did the murder sort of thing um so he has to go live with the amish for a while and one of the ways he kills one of the guys in the film spoiler alert but it's a fucking nearly a 50 year old movie so fuck you he dumps a load of grain on this guy in a silo and i was like man that's gonna be a way to go grain that's a very honest way to go i think it is that's like so i googled about dying in a grain silo and the first result was grain entrapment slash engulfment and then i started

reading all about this and articles about this. And here's the thing. When they store grain in a silo, and it can be any kind of grain, not just like wheat or whatever, but any kind of grain. Corn is a very common one. They stack it up in a silo.

And when they're putting it in there, you want to pack it down because it doesn't settle. It's not like water where it just automatically finds the lowest level. It's all little bobbles of stuff and they all get stuck together or anything like that. So you have to like vibrate it till it

well no you don't stomp up and down on is that right that's the that's the that's the budget way of doing it brilliant so one of the problems is sometimes you get moisture obviously getting into the silo it's not airtight a lot of them and that causes a sort of crust of grain on top and when you're stamping on the grain to sort of get it down uh that can break and you can become engulfed um in the grain so there's there might be a void in the grain below that where you're jumping up and down moves that unsettles the grain and you're suddenly getting sucked into it like quicksand so the grain acts a little bit like a liquid and then it kind of flows and all the rest of it but it's also quite different the pressure is very strange um if you get into the grain up to your knees just up to your knees um with some difficulty you'll be able to extract

yourself okay any higher than that up to the waist you're going to need another person at least one other person to help you and any higher than that and it's a full-on rescue special equipment everything like that just up to up to your neck in grain they won't be able to get you out because if you you know it's like digging in dry sand you try and move the grain of course more just flows in so they have this big tube of metal that they put around you and they build it in parts so it's like a four stage thing and they push that down into the grain then they dig the grain out and then they can pull you out and then the grain flows back but I was like damn how bad would it be to die suffocating in grain well any suffocation

drowning would just be horrendous of course but it's grain so it feels wholesome and natural you see little Quaker

on the side of the box there's Tony the Tiger there's people out there probably taking recommending grain baths yeah take a grain bath that's probably a thing that's when a fucking

paltrow's shoving a pussy full of grain every chance she gets. Jesus Christ, Flax. Well, does that help you stay buoyant in the grain or not, though? A P55Y full of grain?

A pussy full of grain. I don't know if you guys have seen this on Netflix. It was the documentary about that Canadian girl that went traveling to the U.S. and disappeared from the Cecil Hotel. Elisa Lam.

And then was found dead in one of the water tanks on the roof of the hotel. That's a bit of a spoiler. But I mean, yes. So Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel, it's called on Netflix. And I watched it. I thought it was a bit of a weak documentary because it had so many fucking YouTubers. And it was. Oh, I couldn documentary because it had so many fucking YouTubers. And it was, oh, I couldn't wait to go to the hotel and stay there. Yeah.

Look at where she died. Parts of it weren't great. The story itself is really, really interesting and a bit creepy. Yeah. I think it could have been two episodes probably with a combination of episodes one, two and four. And I think they could have just left episode three out it was just too weird with the whole like internet sleuth angle and stuff but overall though i enjoyed it like i wasn't familiar with the with the story and uh i was uh i was i

was creeped out by it as well it is a very it's one of the most the famous stories because of the fact that the police released this quite odd video of her behaving very erratically i remember this from there it's really sad though because it's she's she had she she had uh she was bipolar she was on a lot of medication for it she had episodes of psychosis like previously and um i think her her family were were sort of like you know helpful with it but didn't really want many people to know that that was the case and stuff and um like when you when you sort of look at it you piece it all together and certainly the conclusion they came to was that you know she was under medicating at the time. She had a history of sort of doing that as well and then disappearing or, you know, thinking that she was seeing things and stuff. And if you look

at like the footage of her in the elevator, it looks like she's talking to somebody that's not there. And people were convinced that there was somebody there and that somebody murdered her. But when you look at it, like, oh my God, to murder somebody and then carry them up to the top of a water tank and dump the body in there and stuff, like there's just no evidence that any of that happened. And it's just, I think it's just a, I think nobody wants to just accept

that it's just a really sad story of, you know, somebody with a diminished mental health at that time sort of thing, even though there was medication and help available. It's just really sad. I mean, she's 21 years old. So basically, yeah, it was kind of interesting because it's similarity to the grain silo thing

that once she climbed into this water tower for whatever reason, she just couldn't get out. And so she sort of almost like paradoxically took all her clothes off thinking that would help her stay afloat and that would let her climb out more easily but it it didn't and she drowned in there unfortunately and it's that mundanity of grain or a water tower or whatever that makes it scary because it doesn't sound that dangerous either like if you were just a teenager messing around you know exploring a building you got to the roof and there was a

water tower you might think fuck it i'll jump in and it's really hot or whatever you know it's like a swimming pool it must be interesting and weird and stupid and you don't realize sometimes what you've so i can see like the angle of that i think that the fact that it did happen in this very terrible area meant that people assumed some sketchy guy had like abducted her or something like skid row is not like the the best place to to be like i i know like you know cities are changing and you know there's probably some gentrification that's happened there or or whatever and they're trying to you know revitalize like that downtown area but this is a this is a an area of la that's known uh for just being you know very very very poor very drug

infested violence you know like it's it's it's kind of a dumping ground for um for for the the the sort of unwanted of society right like well also that's where a lot of the shelters are yeah and so they end up getting bused to that area to go to the shelters and then they get let out of the shelters so they end up they on the streets around that area so it is it is historically there's lots of reasons why it's such a big problem yeah um and it's always been a problem it's always been a poor area yeah um it's it's such a big problem yeah um and it's always been a problem it's always been a poor area yeah um it's it's tough we've seen it we've been to san francisco and less angeles and we've seen these districts like um is it tenderloin in san francisco where there's a lot of yeah i think it's

a lot of homeless people and it's really kind of really you start and it's strange it's what we always talk about how strange it is how how strange america is where you can just suddenly take a wrong turn and i'm sure there's areas like like in london as well on the same level um like i've never been scared in parts of of london i mean there are some council estates i've been on or there was one i lived on for a while that i was like this is a shithole and i was like worried but it wasn't like yeah i've been to places in the states where i'm literally like we need to get the fuck out of here like this is yeah this is a shithole and i was like worried but it wasn't like yeah i've been to places in the states where i'm literally like we need to get the fuck out of here like this is yeah this is bad it's it's very different there so yeah i mean there's this true crime sort of boom on on netflix really and these places i've watched i watch all of these things i really like them and they're

really interesting stories murder stories they're huge podcasts as well like someone so i listen to a podcast they're a huge podcast they're all just yeah they're very murder porn though they're very like they are misery my big thing at the moment is disasters because i did actually get down a bit of a rabbit hole and started reading about more and i've got three more for you if you want and they get yeah but they get worse they get progressively worse the final one is sounds like the final one sounds like a cartoon honestly it's it's so ridiculous so the first one i sounds like the final one sounds like a cartoon honestly it's it's so ridiculous so the first one i looked at was the capron disaster right which was at a ski resort i'd never heard of any of these by the way the capron disaster was a train that's like

pulled by a cable at a ski resort and it goes up through this tunnel in the mountain to the top and a fire broke out on the train in the tunnel as 155 people died on this train because they couldn't get out and there's like the the fire melted the radio so they couldn't call for help and there was another train coming down the tunnel while they're going up and a load of people on that one died of smoke inhalation everything and it was like this toxic smoke just killing people i think about 10 or 15 people managed to escape by smashing windows at the back with their ski poles and then running down the tunnel and i was like god that's fucking awful like you would not expect that at all not in the year not in the year 2000 at a ski resort of all places this is this is like a it's like a a luxury place to be right you know what's

going on i guess it was the same with the titanic though i mean right exactly people are on a on a luxury cruise liner there was a lot of hubris around the it's unsinkable i would never have got on a ship that they claimed was unsinkable in a million fucking years that's just asking for trouble there that's asking for yeah let's ask you for karma to get you yeah so then there was the the salang tunnel fire in afghanistan during the soviet afghan war there was this fire in a tunnel a lot of tunnel fires so that so that capran disaster thing happened in 2000 i mean i'm surprised i've never heard about it but also it's relatively modern right i was going skiing in that sort of time and it felt like these places

were very very crisp and clean it felt like it wouldn't happen in austria right oh yeah i mean you could you could imagine that happening in some terrible ski resort down in no but i mean look at look at what like airliners that that crash and stuff you know it's they're few and far between but when they happen you you realize holy crap like we i've been to to places before and i've never thought twice about um going on public transportation or going into a building or you know whatever you you just take for granted that these places are safe and yeah you never even think about it i can't imagine how buildings fucking there was one in one in bangladesh i think it was bangladesh and it was like

one of those buildings that's like got a mall in it and offices and shops and all the rest of it and the whole fucking thing just collapsed oh they'd seen some they'd seen some cracks in it and a bunch of people said i'm not going in and a bunch of offices had closed but there were a bunch of other things like garment factory or something in there and they were just like yeah crack on it's just some cracks and the whole thing just fell blam and killed a whole bunch of people that's the That's the kind of thing, like, you could be there on fucking holiday and a building falls on you, like, well, you know, you could be working day in day out in some miserable clothes factory. Yeah. And you're forced to go into work and the fucking building falls on you. So those are all f-

I see cracks on the side of every building. There's a- And these were big cracks. There was a, uh- These were big cracks. A couple years ago in Montreal, there was like a highway overpass that collapsed. Yeah. I can't remember if anybody was hurt or killed in it.

It's a big problem in America, you know. That's nuts though to think that you just, you know, on any given day, you're just driving home on that highway and then an overpass collapses. Jesus Christ. Five people were killed in that, by the way. The Salang Tunnel fire in Afghanistan was, the Soviets have not really, in very typical Russian fashion, or the Soviet fashion anyway, they have not released specific details.

They're like, oh, it was just an accident. The Afghans were claiming that they set off a bomb in the tunnel and this was like a chain reaction of things exploding. And to make it worse, the Soviets put tanks at either end of the tunnel because they thought some insurgents might get out that had started this. So no one was allowed to leave. And there's smoke everywhere. Cars are exploding.

It's like a chain reaction. People are trying to get out and they can't get out. And I thought, that sounds fucking awful. But then I hit on the MV Donya P paz oh no what is this this is like this is like disaster top trumps i know the mv donya pads has to take the cake all right this was a passenger ferry passenger ferry laden with people and it collides with an oil tanker this is over i think in the philippines or something oh my god collides with an oil tanker. So where is this? 1987, it says.

Right. So the MV Donya Paz passenger ferry. There's no radio on board. They've locked away the life jackets. The crew has no idea what they're doing. And the ship is massively overloaded with people. Crashes into this oil tanker. Starts to sink.

The oil tanker's going down as well. Fire breaks out. The ocean is on fire and people have to jump off the ship into the burning ocean, which is also shark infested. Oh, my God. That is awful. It's so bad. And it just I was just reading this every time it like it was adding another layer onto

it. I was like, oh, man, yeah, that sucks. And the water caught fire. I was like, well, that's fucking it could like it was adding another layer onto it i was like oh man yeah that sucks and the water caught fire i was like well that's fucking bad and it was shark infested i was like what the fuck like this is like a cartoon this is horrible so that was the worst one that i could find because it just felt like everything went wrong and you could imagine people like we'll put on the life jackets oh we've locked them away we can't find the key uh why have the lights gone out because we're incompetent let's call for help the radio's broken and we haven't got one anyway just how how fucking awful can you get 4 000 people four and a half thousand people were on board only 25 people survived oh my god it's unbelievable that is such a disaster man i don't we don't have this i really don't want to like oh man maybe i

shouldn't i was just gonna say though imagine like sharks had a society where they were able to like recount like tales of stuff that happened or whatever. You guys remember Donya Pass? Oh, it was one of the good days. I don't want to. I mean, I feel terrible for it. Those stupid humans. There were 4,000 of them piled onto a boat, just like a sushi platter for us.

Biggest barbecue these shark waters have ever seen. Oh, God. Fuck's sake. Oh, that's horrific. That is horrific. Jesus. Oh, no. So if you go looking, you'll find all of these.

And they're always like, here, we still talk about, what was that one, the Potter's Bar crash, train crash a few years ago. People still talk about that. And we talk about, you know, crash. I mean, obviously, if we take terrorist attacks

out of the equation, when it comes to disasters, they tend to live long in our memory if they're local, but they also tend not to have like a thousand people dying or whatever. Whereas when you go to other parts

of the world where the laws are a lot more lax safety standards are much less this kind of happens all the time and in the past it used to happen in britain and america we'd get like um there was one in a car it might have been san francisco it might have been no it was texas texas bay or dallas bay or something some some laden with ammonium nitrate comes into the harbor and it's on fire and they're trying to put it out and it's got all these they do all this wrong stuff and the whole fucking thing blows up a bit like um happened in uh was it lebanon recently oh yeah that was unbelievable so it's like that that kind of thing used to happen in america and in britain

before we brought in all these safety standards and it pisses me off when i read about this stuff because people like health and safety got mad you know but the reason we have it is because we've been through this shit and they don't have it and now you've got people jumping into shark infested waters to be barbecued well i feel like what this is is this is just again the psychology of humans right it's where people when nothing happens it's people get like lazy lax and laxer and laxer and laxer with the rules they become complacent until something happens that goes wrong yeah and then everyone was this and then everyone yeah it's funny to think that like where where we're at now with all of the all of the guidelines and the and the investigations and and everything you know health and safety all all of that had to had to come about from off the back of people getting

into accidents or there being disasters or people dying right because otherwise nobody's really gonna forward think most of that some of it is of course but like for the most part it's off the back of experience yeah it's off the back of just like uh human sacrifice to to make everybody else somewhat safer yeah yeah well everything like even like from like the challenger disaster or like abafan where they had the coal mine slip and in wales like all of these disasters have led to very quick and immediate outrage and action to change practices right like um you know often you know the the play the flight industry is one of the safest in the world oh those heady those heady pre-covid days where we would fly around the world and visit places but they were very and they still are very very diligent and very like

obsessed with accidents and i think it's because the idea of a plane accident has been so glamorized and dramatized in people's minds a lot of people still feel that right that plane travel is dangerous when in fact it's the safest travel by some margin i think a lot of people feel like they won't get hit crossing the road, but that's like the most likely time you're going to be killed by a car. It's one of the things that we've surrendered a lot of our land, especially the city. So these very dangerous places.

I've almost been hit by this. This car zoomed through a junction the other day. Just some crazy... I don't know why. It zoomed through a junction um like the other day like just just just some crazy i don't know why like zoomed through a junction right in front of me like through a red light and you know if i wasn't paying attention i was just sort of blithely meandering across the road i could i could have been killed you know i think everyone has experienced that right at some point on a road i think that they're they're super super dangerous so watch out guys out there even in even in this pre-post-COVID world where there's supposed to be no one on the streets, it's still dangerous. Watch out.

Look after yourselves. So I've been watching a lot of stuff with the kind of rose-tinted nostalgia goggles of COVID. Because I've been watching two things this week. I watched a bit more Superstore, which is this terrible kind of...'s on netflix now it looks really bad yeah it's not great the first season's not great but it picks up a little bit and i have you watched this what's a little bit of not great though it's still it can't be worth watching well then again i'd rather watch like some light-hearted comedy thing that's not very good than some miserable fucking yeah i don't think it's healthy to watch time i get recommended murder stuff because i've

watched a couple i watched uh what is it called was it the staircase is that oh staircase was really interesting that was that was great and i watched the one about the guy steven something or other steven avery making a murder yeah yeah that was interesting as well yeah i watched the one about the knights knight hunter that was uh upsetting that was upsetting i watched those three i i don't really watch a lot of true crime stuff because it feels lurid to me and kind of like pulpy you know it is and some of them are really bad some of them are bad and like revel in it um i don't want to watch the one about peter suckliffe and all i don't want to watch anything about the fucking fred and rosemary west i don't want to no that's yeah there's some of it feels pretty seedy and gross and yeah anyway i i had enough of it so i watched i watched that and i also watched the

flight attendant which is this tv show with um the woman from the big bang theory uh which i haven't watched all of what's the name penny from big bang theory no idea do you know i don't think i've ever watched a single episode of that show okay and i'm grateful for it i watched a few minutes of it and it's so fucking awful and i hate all the characters it's terrible but you should know who the characters are i'm actually uh pleased to announce i couldn't name one of them fuck that show i know they say bazonga bazonga isn't that one of the things on the show yeah whatever and i know that there's um one of the girls who's very clever and she's very clever in real life she's played by the girl who was blossom for anyone that grew

up in the 80s i remember it was a popular tv show and then there's the the fit one that's all i know she's the fit one yeah okay so she's in this um i guess now she's loaded because that's what happens to people who are in an incredibly popular sitcom when i get hundreds of thousands of pounds i believe it's the most successful sitcom of all time by the way i'm pretty sure which is yeah no no no big bang theory oh big bang theory yeah it probably would be oh no way i mean seinfeld's gotta still be top right i'm pretty sure in terms of money growth syndication and stuff i mean seinfeld's been around longer i'd say fresh prince has probably made more money and been around much longer than big bang theory so friends on the big bang theory friends of course yeah jesus christ friends on the big bang theory

so did you know frazier's coming back i heard this i did hear something about this yeah they're rebooting it oh my god anyway anyway i i really enjoyed watching the flight it felt like this time when the flight it was it was nice it's like a nice pre-covid like mouthwash i don't know it felt like a kind of i don't know like i just worry that the world's different now and i'm scared you gotta watch ted lasso lewis you'll like it you want if you want i can't get it i can't get it you can sign up to apple tv plus for a month for free and you can watch that in like two days i don't want to because fuck apple okay but anyway i mean if if you're looking for something light-hearted that's uh that's actually good ted lasso is a good shout for sure okay good

shout oh here's another one for you schitt's creek Creek. Oh, I've seen that, but I haven't watched it. I've seen it on Netflix. Mrs. F converted me to it. She was like, the first couple of episodes, you won't be super into it. But now, I love this show. Schitt's Creek is so fucking funny. The characters are brilliant. It's got all the old SCTV guys in it, right?

Like Eugene Levy and Carol, whatever. Is it O'Hara? O'Hara, yeah. Carol, yeah. She's brilliant. But honestly, I really, really recommend Schitt's Creek. Some of the episodes are just hilarious. And it's just the characters are so good.

And her character, Moira, is so fucking good. She's like this. She used to be an actress. So the setup is that they were a very wealthy family laid low by the IRS who've taken all their money away. And now they've gone to the only place that they have, which is that they bought this town, Schitt's Creek. The father bought it because he thought it was funny.

He just bought it as a joke for his son. But they actually do own the town. Right. And then they have to go live there. Yeah, but they still have no money. But they sort of go there and they find that, you know, things are kind of busted there. It's such an American concept that you could... Buying a town.

I don't even know where that... I think maybe that is even, like, not a thing. I think it is. But anyway, you should go watch it. It's very funny. We just finished watching a bunch of stuff and we were looking for something new to watch. And I've got a Now TV subscription because I used it to watch like Game of Thrones when it was on and a bunch of other stuff.

And that's just how I can get like access to HBO stuff over here too. Oh, yeah. I was looking around for something to watch and I saw True Detective season three. And I was like, OK, I loved season one. I thought it was amazing. Season one was great one was season two i was not fond of i thought it was pretty bad and so bad yeah and so i thought you know three could be good but might be bad but let's try it out anyway man we were hooked like uh kids went to school we watched four episodes in one day like it was oh wow yeah it was one of those shows it was just like bam it was great uh really really enjoyed it i can i can highly recommend it season three it's uh a bit like season one in terms of quality okay story is um

not not like identical but like there's similarities and there's some there's a there's a tie back in it to uh season one as well which is you know you know in season one it what blew my mind like i love that show like you i i absolutely love that show i thought that that the characters like i thought matthew mcconaughey was so good oh he was so good harrison was so good yeah i love the characters i love the setting i love what they were trying to uncover i thought it was such a good mystery. You know, at the end, when he looks and he sees stars in that thing, like the guy actually is fucking summoning some kind of portal of some kind. Do you remember that bit at the end?

I don't remember that bit, no. Do you remember they go to confront him and they're fighting the big guy who's like the leader of it all? I remember not liking that bit at the end, like the very end of season one, where it was like they were in like that creepy haunted house maze and stuff and i just thought whatever like i get it it's a show and like the rest of the show more than makes up for the fact that this scene isn't actually that great and not not really the best way to end the show on this season it was very standard kill the bad guy and which final level um so season three

seemed to almost lead up to something like that and i was a bit worried that it was going to be kind of the same and then was pleasantly surprised the way season three works is kind of the same as season one it's a lot of it is retrospective so like it's right they're older they've moved on but this case haunts them and they have to talk about it. But there's three different timelines. There's like the case when it happens in 1980 and the detectives that are working it. And then in 1990, 10 years later, there's a whole bunch of threads of story about the aftermath of the case when they moved on and stuff. And then much further on, 2015, they're like old ass men they're

in their 70s they've got you know grown kids you know whatever um and that's when like you know it goes on all that time and then in in 2015 is kind of when they finally start to figure out what's going on sort of thing right but it's really really well done it's really well written it's really interesting like it just it keeps you hooked you know you just like same as season one you know like just the theme of it like the acting is is phenomenal like oh man it's so good i can't recommend it enough actually like it's really worth a watch it's it's not it's not too upsetting either you know it's not like yeah it's not so dark that it's like unwatchable or anything before we can i have to actually i actually have to go. Sorry.

I've got a meeting. Sorry. But if we could just put a pin on this. Is this not a meeting? Yeah, this is a meeting of minds. Residents Association. Yeah. It's about those pigeons.

He's going to talk about seagulls. Has he gone? Oh, my God. Yeah, he left. All right. Well, there you go. Thank you, everyone, for listening to the podcast this week. We'll see you all next week, stay safe

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