Triforce! - Triforce! #169: Bald Weirdos Rise Up!

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Triforce! Episode 169! Sips remembers when games were hard, Pyrion writes a scene for Marvel's Agents of Shield and Lewis shares his notepad of madman ravings! Visit http://manscaped.com and use the code TRIFORCE to get 20% off plus free shipping. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Alright, alright, alright. What are we doing? Triples? Selling cars, apparently. Oh no, yeah, we're doing a car. I remember this. Welcome no, yeah, we're doing a podcast. I remember this. Welcome back, Pyrrion. How are you? How are you feeling?

Yeah, I'm alright. You doing good? Sips? Yeah, you know, same old. How are you? I'm alright. Actually, the sun has come out a little bit. Are you really?

I'm feeling good. Yeah, I'm feeling a little bit positive. Right, okay. I think I've been very down in the dumps lately. I don't know whether it's come through in recordings it's true they say they say that you should always ask your friends uh if they're okay twice right you ask them once you say are you okay and they're like yeah yeah i'm fine and then you say are you really okay and then that's when no it gives them an opportunity to open the floodgates it's a thing right it thing, right? Yeah, because the first one is automatic.

The first one is just the polite, you're right. Like if you see someone on the street, you say, all right. They don't go, no. You don't ask them twice. Yeah, you've got to ask them twice. I'm having a crisis. No, you're right. You're right.

The first one is a reflex because it's a polite, automatic thing that people don't really... It's like just a part of our society, right? Whereas the second question, you're actually asking, you know, out of interest. I have noticed that I don't think I've seen Americans to confirm, but I don't think I've seen Americans just go, all right? Like, that's a British greeting. That's a British greeting, yeah, the all right greeting. Yeah, it is.

And sometimes they, like like chain it onto other things how you doing all right yeah like you like it's it's very british yeah you wouldn't get that in america you do get like how's it going hey man what's up how's it hanging how's it hanging bro but then they don't ask how's it really hanging is it really hanging okay? Because that's when you get the real answer. That's it. No, it's really drooping to our side. Hanging poorly today. So this is funny because this actually,

I was thinking about TV acting and, hey, you okay? Yeah. Are you really okay? It's a very TV acting trick to have that. And then the music starts and they glisten eyes and they look up and, no, you know, it's a very tv acting yeah to have that and then the music starts and they glisten eyes and they look up and no you know it's like that so i've been watching agents agents marvel of shield no shields agents oh yeah no marvel's agents of shields that's the one right

right uh which is a good show like it's a laugh it's nice and relaxing uh it's got colson in it's got some very good marvel-y stuff in. It's got some really cheesy stuff that just makes me laugh. You watched it with the fam? Yes, yeah. They like it. They like it. So me and Mrs. F watched a couple of episodes. So generally I stopped streaming or doing anything at about around five and I go downstairs for about three, eight, three and a half hours and we'll have dinner and we'll watch some telly. We'll hang out because she's finished work as well at that point. And then I'll come up and start streaming

and the kids go to bed and everything. So that's our sort of filler where we all hang out and watch Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or whatever it is that we're watching at that time. So we were watching something else previously. Modern Family, my kids. Man, I wish we had that filler. Our filler is my kids treating my living room

like it's some sort of padded play area, jumping on the couches and stuff like that this this they decide to do two minutes before bedtime yeah they decide to uh expend all possible energy that they have left in their systems by screaming trying to kill each other and um just horsing around generally you know that does stop like i would say yeah i mean my my eldest she's nearly 12 she is on minecraft with her mates on discord shouting at each other so i send her upstairs to do that upstairs because you know it's i don't want to hear what sounds like a really bad stream live in my living room so i get that full experience whenever i stream i don't need to hear someone else doing it as well

uh and my my youngest has just finished whatever the Super Mario game on the Switch is, one where you have to... I don't know the name of it, but anyone that's played it... Odyssey? The one with the balloon? Yes, it's Odyssey. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a great one. There's a level where you turn into a little penguin

with a pointy nose, and you have to stab it into a boss and sort of lever your way down and then boing up. Anyone that has played that boss like you hit him he fires the bombs at you you shoot them back with the pointy nose then you climb up and then you have to peck open the domes with the people in if you've played the game you'll know what i'm talking about okay she was she was stuck on that level and she came to me for help oh yeah which was which was quite surprising to it compared to a nine-year-old i'm a gaming god

it makes me feel very good but i'm always sage expert you're the nintendo helpline i literally am the real life helpline man i can play super mario brothers the original more or less with my eyes closed i played it so much when it came out as a kid it's all muscle memory now and uh we got the little the mini nes and i was playing um you know mario brothers and i was showing off a bit you know i was like running through every level i knew where all the warp pipes were and stuff and uh i thought that like my son would be really impressed he didn't give a shit yeah he was just like this game looks stupid he didn't respect it he didn't respect it he never tried it for himself and failed if he'd failed enough he would have learned that he tried it once and he got to like one two

you know like the first underground level and he was just like one, two, you know, like the first underground level. And he was just like, he fell in a hole or died or whatever. And he's just like, what else is on here? There's like 30 games on it. He was ready to move on straight. They're just spoiled for choice now. I mean, that's the only game I had for like five years. So, of course, I played the shit out of it, you know. We're living in a renaissance of entertainment, guys.

TV renaissance. There's so many great shows to watch. Multi-billion dollar industry now. They make so much money and there's just so much choice nowadays. So much choice. I tried to make the point to my youngest when she was stuck on that level. She was like, oh, this is impossible. I was like, you kids don't know you're born.

I said, in my day, you would have got three lives. You fail on this bus, you go back to the beginning of the game. You would have had to spend like a year's worth of salary playing this over and over in the arcade to get good at it what are you talking about right here if you stand still she played with assist mode on if you get hit if you just stand still for a bit it gives you all your life oh come on yeah and then you could just that's disgraceful infinite tries that's disgraceful it's just too easy. I don't know. That's, I mean, I'm playing Super Mario 3D World, which I think is the original Wii version that they re-released on Switch just recently. I had like 25 lives collected up and then I got this one level and because I'm playing

it co-op and we just couldn't do it. We just kept dying over and over again and we actually lost all 25 lives on this one this one level that we collected and i was like oh what's gonna happen we'll have to start at the beginning of the game but it's like now you can just continue yeah you just you just of course it does of course it does yeah but i think they've always done that though right no they never did i'll i have a couple of examples for you um that i'd like to share double dragon two uh you had three continues, you had three lives and three continues. And when they were done,

that was it. If you didn't make it to the last boss or whatever, there was no save point, there was no code you could put in to just skip the last boss or whatever.

You died, you had to restart from the start. But did Super Mario World give you continues? Do you know what I mean? That's a pretty old game. Super Mario Brothers 3.

Super Mario World gave you... You had the map, right? So, like, if you died and lost all your lives, you would just, like, have to restart back to your... the last sort of save point for the map. I think it was you had to complete a world, right? So it was like...

Let's say it was 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 4. When you went to the next world, I think if you died, you go back to that point so the the sort of this the resume point is actually quite a few levels deep yeah so i was trying to say to my youngest that the the way all these games are designed is that the skills you need to beat the boss will have been learned in the previous levels so you can't get someone else to do that stuff for you because you're going to need those those little things that you oh Oh, OK. So it's like this. You need to learn that stuff and then take it into the later levels. But she wasn't interested. She was like, I've been doing it all this.

This is what's now called hardcore, though, right? Basically, the idea that when you die, you start at the beginning. And that kind of has a more of a accolade of pin on it. Right. Because so many games are not definitely a niche for all that. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of a lot of games that that have that as a as a thing that you can do and i think that that's cool or whatever um on this on this subject as well something that i've been playing uh recently i don't even ask me how i got into playing this but i've been playing um call of duty war zone like just you know the the battle royale is it hat films uh no but i but funnily enough i played with ross last night which was

pretty fun uh i heard it was good warzone i heard because it was on the polygon top 10 games to play from 2020 and i was like how is warzone which is like a free to play it's a vr right so if you if you like a br uh you like you know i, we played PUBG together, all of us. A BR? And it was pretty fun times, right? Oh, sorry. I didn't know there was a, I didn't even know what that was for a second. A BR.

I was like, what the hell is that? Yeah. I thought you said BeArthur. BeArthur, yeah. BeArthur. BeArthur. Yeah. So it is pretty good.

It is really, it's fun. It's very, like, fast. It doesn't take long to like i mean coming out of um getting bored with the current um wipe of tarkov and playing something that's a lot faster that you can play with people uh it really promotes like team play you know you can see who's on your team you don't have to double check who's who and all that kind of stuff so it's it's a breath of fresh air from tarkov but one thing i've noticed about that game holy crap it's like you have to kill a guy 10 times to finally kill

him you're like there's so many revives and chances for teammates to to bring your your friend back you can buy your friends back if you get to buy station there's the fucking there's the gulag so you do like a when you die yeah you get one chance in the gulag to do a 1v1 against somebody and if you win you get to spawn back in and stuff yeah it's like oh my god it's crazy it's it's it's this whole like let's give the player another chance going mad it's just it like like i said it's like 10 times you have to kill somebody sometimes and they you kill them and they drop in right on you because they want their stuff back so you're just like shooting a guy with nothing

as he parachutes in to get his try to get his stuff back and everything it's just like oh my god it's crazy it's just that's that's the weirdest thing for me that game is this um an example of like game design where people think oh you know sitting out is the worst thing you know like that's why it is for sure there's definitely uh an element to that i think they because you've got the gulag even even when you're waiting for a game to to pop it puts you onto the map with a bunch of other people just like for a warm-up so like i i think their philosophy was they want you to have something to do constantly and then and even uh at the bare minimum if you have nothing to do you can spectate your friends you know what i mean or you

can spectate the rest of the game to see who killed you how they're doing or if they were cheating or whatever there's a lot of that and it's in overall it's it is pretty good but i can't get over that it's it's just insane it's just isn't that the game that's like a hundred gig install or something stupid it's uh it's the most convoluted install process for any game i've ever known and it's because there's basically three separate games in one you get to a menu so there's zombies which is kind of almost a standalone game at this point but you need to have like the the base game uh black ops cold Cold War to run it. And then Warzone is its own install and game,

which is like 100 gigs. And then there's just the default multiplayer because this is like the latest Call of Duty Black Ops. It has, you know, the traditional maps with the fucking death match or whatever modes that they have as well. All in, it's got to be like 300 gigs it's it's insane but you can install each one separately but i i'm sure i saw a thing saying

that you can't even do a full install on the like the playstation like it won't fit oh yeah probably on console yeah it's probably a nightmare you have to have like a little box by your playstation to install if you hear this all the time about like the switch like when um the witch of three came out on switch or something it's the install size was bigger than the hard drive of the switch like the memory card you can get memory cards like they're really these tiny like little sd sticks are like are they switch specific or can you just get any memory thing yeah you can just buy like a 256 gig one or just go in there can you please bloat your games to sell more memory sticks please like i guarantee you that's a fucking conversation you gotta think

like every if you're trying to shave money off your console though you might as well you know you you want to it's it's you can save like 100 quid by not putting a decent hard drive in there yeah you know and so anyway anyway i'm interested in in playing it honestly sips like it is good fun it's very fast the guns feel really nice like there's a lot about it that's that's that's great it is actually really good uh it's a little bit sweaty at times you know it attracts like tweaked out you know 13 year olds to want to play with their mates and get g fueled up and get you know sick 360 no scopesolds who want to play with their mates and get G-fueled up and get, you know, 360 no-scopes and stuff like that, and that's fine. You get to hear them for a brief second when you kill them.

There's, like, this feature where if they have their voice stuff enabled, you kill somebody and all you hear is, like, some kid crying in his kitchen. You get the very brief, like, mum, like mom like shut up and then just cuts off like because he's obviously angry so he's like banged his table and then he's like in reaction that sounds like a really really dangerous feature but i think that's you get that oh my god yeah uh there's a there's a really nice uh player report system which i use all the time no matter where i am even in the warm up if somebody kills me i report them for cheating even in the bath you're like yeah absolutely i mean if you kill

me you've got to be cheating so there's a they've added a new report thing to to dota um all right which is like they call it overwatch which is like the same as i think it is in cs go and essentially the reports that are made in the game go to the community for judgment. So you download a file, which is like a mini replay. All the names are hidden. It shows you the rank of the game because that does matter. Because quite often you'll think, I think this person- What is this to crack down on smurfing and stuff too? Or not really-

Griefing. Griefing. Hacking and cheating and abusive behavior, yeah. Right, right. So if I waddle down mid and delete all my items and feed under their tier one tower because I didn't get the role I wanted, that's a report and I'll see that

and I'll say, yep, this guy's guilty. And if enough of those are guilty, the person gets banned, which I think- Guilty as charged. Exactly. You serve 10 years in the lower priority queue. It's great. So I'll sometimes do them on stream and it's interesting

to see people's different takes quite often people that are just terrible at the game get reported for feeding when they're not they're just super bad and a lot of people uh like i i try to keep what counts as cheating or abuse to quite a tight sort of narrow band rather than just saying this person didn't help their team and whilst that might have cost from the game is that griefing or we don't know what happened what conversation took place we don't know what happened in the first five minutes of the game they might have all fallen out with each other and this guy's off trying to at least he's pushing out lanes and farming occasionally turns up to a fight loses and dies and the game was lost but it's not the

same as someone literally saying having a sulk in the first minute and just standing under the enemy tower and feeding them in that's griefing and abuse i'd say what you need to do is not is not what we need what we need is like proper punishments for these people right what do you suggest well they should have an island that they send all these people to for the rest of their lives and uh their punishment physically they're never with really bad internet so they can't get out of low priority i was thinking it might be like you have to compete a series of challenges like community service to get back into the game so it'll make you you have to to go onto a map and get a thousand last hits on the map uh

and that's like step one step that's like writing lines exactly make them do lines like give them some tedious i will not be a little bitch to other people you have to apologize you should have like uh like there should be a point system like there should be like a gaming driving license right and uh you know if you get caught doing like cheating or being super toxic or called out somehow or whatever you you should lose points like you would on your license. And then eventually you can go to jail and never be allowed to game again. Yeah. Can you imagine?

Well, the problem is some people will use that. Some people will have that badge with all those negative stamps on it as a badge of honor. Yeah, but they won't be able to ever game again. So that badge of honor is, I can't play. So Daff has terrible internet at home, and he had a week off. And every day he was in the office, and I was like, what are you doing here, Daff? And he's like, oh, I'm just playing Dota and stuff. Because he's terrible at home, he would rather just come into the office and play games all day here.

It's so bad in Bristol, the internet. One morning, he was like, oh, I was playing yesterday, and I got disconnected, and i got put low into low priority and he was so sad because low priority is such a horrible but i i think like maybe you need to like hit them where it hurts you know like make them make it so as soon as they raise like 150 gold they automatically buy a ward i don't know or something like that free some like it no no it like spends their money it spends their money in game like yeah but the wards are free i'm just saying oh are they now oh okay sorry that's just so your point is ruined i'm sorry my point is rude i'm just trying to think about where it hits some weather it's yeah yeah i'm just thinking like community service like it's a nice

idea you know what do you do until you stack 50 camps for your carry what if the game could detect like that you were cheating or whatever and then instead of doing anything it just secretly put like net nanny on their computer and it prevented them from accessing any porn whatsoever and it was really cumbersome for them to then delete this like weird malware that prevents them from being fucking degenerates, you know? Yeah. Or maybe it puts a lock on their fridge so they can't get their fucking Hot Pockets and Flucasate out of there. They have to drink water instead of G Fuel for a week.

Can't drink Mountain Dew for a week oh no mom don't blame me blame the computer i thought there must be some hey um so i've discovered this week uh and last week we we ran out of series to watch i'm sure there's other series out there we just haven't felt like watching anything but what we did find is on the iplayer on channel four they have the entire mac catalog of storyville documentaries oh wow those were so good holy fuck some of them are amazing jesus i've watched two i watched the one the whirlybird over la the uh the husband and wife uh reporting team uh in la they they started up their own like independent sort of news thing and they bought a helicopter and uh the the guy um just was he had some some mental health issues and was really just not equipped for the stress and everything and ended up um kind of losing

losing the plot and having a heart attack when he was like 35 years old but famously was used a lot of his footage was used for the oj chase wow uh the the 92 the rodney king uh riots and stuff and uh it was really interesting it was like i think like the storyville stuff's like 80 minutes or so yeah they're really i used to love watching those they're really good but they're all on there so and there's a there's a new one about uh jersey as well dark secrets of a trillion dollar island it's all about you know what i think and there's a lot of dodgy stuff on jersey man yeah there's oh yeah for sure yeah there is oh my god are you watching it be like that's my that's my house no i haven't watched it yet it's a bit heavy like i've kind of put it off i don't want to like you know you gotta you gotta sort of

be like in the right mindset to watch stuff like that because it's it's pretty disturbing stuff but uh so i'm gonna get around to it but in the meantime we watched um uh one that wasn't so heavy uh which was which was pretty heavy which is the um the dupont the teflon um you know that chemical that they were dumping into the rivers no this is a storyville documentary about wow okay because i watched the the movie with the the hulk in it he wasn't in hulk form what's his name mark no tony butcher i can't remember ruffalo ruffalo mark ruffalo yeah this was not the movie no this is uh this is a documentary about the the clash class action lawsuit that was filed by like seven different towns uh because of the amount of this uh of this like c8 chemical that was found in their drinking water and it was giving people cancer left right and center it killed all these people oh my god yeah once it's

in the water once it's in the water it never goes away it never goes away like they're saying it's probably in every single person on the planet but that's good advertising for the teflon you know last long right on your pan so in the end which this is this amazed me i'm not surprised but like i'm still amazed that this can happen um it was all it was all settlements you know they nobody nobody from that company went to jail. There was nothing done to them. They had help from the EPA. Like the EPA fined them like $16 million, which is just like a grain of sand compared to the profits that they were making every year.

And in the end, because the sort of like the, I don't't know like the look of the company was so bad because of this chemical they made some big announcement that they were going to stop using it so everybody's like oh great the big corporations changed their ways or whatever they uh developed a new chemical that's exactly the same they called it something different and now it's turning up in waterways yeah it's crazy it's fucking insane it's just just, it's fucking insane. I can't believe it. This is all the stuff behind the things that we take for granted, though, right? And also, it's, you know, it's always been the way. There's hundreds and hundreds of examples of these things.

But this is like everything, though. It's very depressing when you think about it. It's babies growing, being born with like tons of deformities. It's cancer. It's, oh my God, it's just ravaging it's just ruining people's lives i'm just astounded at the lack of political will to stop that yeah it's obviously money is such a big factor and these companies are so powerful that they essentially just paralyze any government they just go no no we're not doing anything yeah no they just they take it in their stride it's just amazing they had to dish out it was like 650 million dollars worth of lawsuits

and they it was just like whatever uh we'll just put it down as an expense and just keep on going with our deadly chemical and dumping it like 50 000 gallons of it was dumped into the into the river i mean amazing and this this thing is is is indestructible it's probably in the ocean it's probably it's everywhere like it's fucking it tends to poison the whole planet single-handed people at the top telling people what to do and and not really just just kind of try to cut costs and not care and you know that that's it happens over and over again like i think and i think there is this idea that companies can build in the costs of the costs of legal yeah you know or settlements into their profits they're like well you know we're gonna make this much money we're gonna have to pay this

much in reparations and therefore you know i can still get my bonus and my yacht and all of my stuff that i want like i know it's terrible really actually but the worst thing is this is just one uh example of like hundreds of companies who have been doing this all all over the place you know like uh i i'm the the more sort of um ones that we're aware of are probably ones in america because it's it's so well documented what scares me actually is how much of this stuff is happening in places that aren't regulated. So much production over the last 20 years has been sent to India and China. And their regulations are far different there. I mean, what is it?

The Bhopal disaster is quite a famous example of how it all went tits up. Let me just give you some of the... Yeah, that was in India, wasn't it? It's the Bhopal gas tragedy. It was a gas... That was quite a long time ago. Yeah, but about 4,000 people were supposedly dead, but over 16,000 people claimed,

and about half a million non-fatal injuries as a result of this. Read all about it. It's a very long story. It's unbelievable. You'll probably get to it next week, Sips, if you keep watching the documentary. Yeah, it's not. I mean, some of it is pretty heavy.

It's very interesting. And the documentaries themselves are really, really well done. But I can't believe how many of them there are. Like, it's just, I feel like we just found a goldmine. Yeah, because I used to watch it with my mum back in the day when I was still at home, when I was a kid. These documentaries are great, but also sometimes very depressing. Oh, for sure. I watched one this week called The China Hustle on Netflix about how after the financial crisis,

these hedge funds were looking at new ways to make money. And one of the things they did was everyone was looking to invest in China because China was kind of unaffected and was massively growing. And it was this huge place that was the only place in the world where it was all out of control. But you couldn't invest in these Chinese companies because they were all still sort of ice. They're kind of behind this curtain even today. And so what these Chinese companies would do is they would buy an American company that was listed on the American Stock Exchange, but wasn't really doing anything anymore.

And it's kind of out of business. So like a cheap mining company in Texas called like, Old Mammy's Iron Mine, Iron and Nickel Incorporated, right? It would be some shitty company that obviously at one point was profitable and now it kind of just decayed to a very small business. But so they would buy that and they would actually do what's called a reverse merger. So the Chinese company would become owned by that company, and then they would rename that company to who they were.

And of course, that gave them immediate access to the American stock market without going through any of the proper regulations and being tested for whether they actually existed or not. People would, and these hedge funds would start telling people to buy these stocks and buy these stocks. And of course, no one did any of their due diligence. No one went out to China and actually looked at this stuff for a couple of years. And when they started doing it, they realized that none of these companies existed or they

were all just lying. And there was a huge like scandal around it um and so it's such an interesting like i and of course it was all loopholes and legal and no one goes to prison and no one gets in trouble yeah this is the thing that that that that is so surprising and it just goes to show that if you have enough money um you can you can just avoid getting into trouble all the time. You know what I mean? I think all you need to do is find something that is incredibly scummy and should be illegal but isn't.

Talk to a lawyer and he says to you, oh, yeah, well, this isn't actually legal. So go ahead and do it and make loads of money. And then they go ahead and do it. and then they go in there and do it. I think it's like this odd thing where people are so hungry, or corporations are so hungry for money that they aren't really even aware that these kind of scams affect people, right? Or affect things. Yeah.

It feels like a victimless crime as well, really, when you have the idea that it's like, oh, it's just money being transferred around between rich people. Because it's in the structure of a corporation. There's just no accountability. Everybody just says, well, he told me to do it. You know, everybody can just wipe their hands clean of anything and sleep like a baby every night because it's somebody else's fault. But then you never can find out whose actual fault it is. And then in end you don't know they just end up getting fined some pitiful amounts that they don't know who's being led into this thing who's lost their pension how that's affected them you don't know where these crimes have gone and i think that because it's affecting

setting it's you know it's it's someone else it's not a problem you know a lot it's like that ethical quandary isn't it of whether you would you know whether you would let five people die who you don't know or your wife you know you're like well obviously like the one with the the there's it's always a train on a track i don't know why it always comes down to that the train on a track and you've got the lever there's five people on one line and one dude on another line and do you pull the lever to's five people on one line and one dude on another line and do you pull the lever to like it's already heading for the group of five people is is the big one do you pull the lever to kill the other guy so it saves the five people so that one of

the big ones is um there's a train coming there's a very fat man on a bridge do you push the fat man off the bridge to land on the track and block the train or not? I love how we're assuming that the fat. What kind of fat shaving? He has to be enormous. He's very big. It's not his fault. He's a very big guy. Even if he was like Jabba the Hutt big, he wouldn't stop a train going at full speed.

But equally, he would just shout, get off the fucking track. I mean, that would, you know, it's a hypothetical, right? It's like it hypothetical right it's like well if you push him off the bridge how's he gonna he's not gonna be in very good shape he's gonna have to scream it what in midair while he's falling it's a low bridge or the train can just fit under it it won't kill the fat man but if you pull him onto the track if you have to push him onto the track people will apparently that that's the line that people draw i think because they feel sorry for someone fat enough to stop the train but also it's it's more personal you having to put your hands on someone and push them off a bridge to block a train from hitting five people further down the line but when it comes to pulling the

lever it's actually quite interesting how people change if it's already headed for the five people will they pull the lever to make it head for the one person? It's quite interesting. The moment people have to get involved, they suddenly get shy about it. And they're sort of like, I don't know if I could, because that's not fair on that other guy and stuff like that. Like it becomes quite an interesting ethical dilemma for people

once they have to do something, especially if they're as physical as pushing someone in the way to save other people, it becomes very hard. I mean, if you were to make a logical decision, you should always save the five people over the one person i mean that's five families and five lives instead of one yeah the needs of the many and all the rest of it but but once people have to physically get in there and start making a difference themselves by intervening it gets a little fuzzier which i thought was and also if you give them an excuse right where they're like you know if they do

nothing sure five people will die but if they actually pull the lever then suddenly they're like, you know, if they do nothing, sure, five people will die. But if they actually pull the lever, then suddenly they're now involved. People can very easily stand by and do nothing and say this was going to happen anyway. It wasn't my responsibility to pull that lever. But yeah, absolutely. There's this odd, yeah, there's this odd ethical thing. It's the idea that also the president should have to

have to get the codes for the nuclear oh he has to cut him out of the guy's heart right that's yeah so the codes are hidden in a secret service agent's heart and he has to carve them out if he wants to launch because then he has to be serious the secret service agent has to be his firstborn son as well just to make it extra spicy let's make it really spicy and they're in and they're like uh you know there's there's a like a train coming yeah and there's a train coming you can push your son in front of the train if you stop the train hitting these five people the nuclear launch codes descend from the sky on a tiny balloon and you can annihilate the planet sounds pretty cool it's crazy the whole uh

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actually wrote something i've just found this on my notepad uh that i said i note things down for during the week and i've written this is an example of tv acting and this is what marvel's agents of shield is like and a lot of other shows is that i've noticed a pattern in the dialogue because i haven't been watching them one a week i've been watching them like three or four an evening and you notice a pattern and see if you see if you recognize this pattern okay this is how it goes we need to talk after what happened in stockholm i don't think so wait bishop hear me out please i i'm sorry soft dramatic music insert you should be i know but with everything that happened with carpenter and burge i i made a mistake we all make mistakes nessa it's how we respond to those mistakes that matters and your response was to leave us up there, high and dry.

I know, but that's not all. There's something I haven't told you about me and Clint. Clint? I'm pregnant. We're together. We have been since that trouble in Mexico City. Smiles wryly. So you were trying to protect Clint.

Damn, it all makes sense now. Why didn't you come to me for help? I couldn't. Not you. You're too important to me. You know that. Nessa, what's important is the mission. If this me for help i couldn't not you you're too important to me you know that nessa what's important is the mission if this happens again i can't protect you i don't want you to but you need me to and so on so it's like confrontation you don't protect somebody because they that's how it goes right okay the agency important. Coulson's always saying it.

But the show is very much like that, where you'll have tensions build up in one episode or earlier in an episode, and then in a later episode they have a confrontation, but it reveals some new information that completely changes the relationship between the two characters for the next episode, where something else happens that then creates tension

that we then have in the next episode. So it's like this constant peaks and troughs of tension between characters that they create and resolve um and a lot of tv shows do this if you watch any show that's got an episodic format with an overriding story so it's not like say game of thrones where it's one story like a novel or or the wire or a lot of those shows the sopranos was a bit more episodic in that in each episode, you'd have certain events happen that played out and were generally resolved in one or two episodes. Yeah.

But with a very long overriding plot. So you'd have, we've got a problem with Tony. Oh, Tony's causing a problem. Well, we'll go pay him a visit. You know, that kind of stuff. So we'll find out a little mini resolution over a couple of episodes for those sort of mini plot lines. And then you have your broad plot lines.

So with Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., it's a bit like that. But there's an episode like, we've got a report of a new inhuman in Denver and they go out there and they solve the problem. But it adds to the main plot, which is quite interesting how they do it. Game of Thrones was not like that

at all it wasn't like every episode there was a lot of like um crossing over long arcs wasn't there yeah it was like a lot of very long arcs for a bunch of characters and we saw a bit of them each time yeah i think it's interesting because i was talking to uh to mrs f while we were watching it if you think about these shows it's a different writer every week because these these episodes like it's like different writer every week. Because Game of Thrones or something like that had, I think it was, was it like 10 or 12 episodes per season, something like that? There was like 24 episodes per series of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. So it's much longer and you've got to have a lot more filler episodes where

someone just comes up with a cool idea and that's that's your episode bam that's 40 minutes right there um and i i don't know if they have a head writer who just ties the main storyline together and then they just say all right we need 23 episodes just get me a whole bunch of writers and as long as they understand the overall story they can just come up with some shit and we'll fucking fill it in i just think it's interesting it's like putting together a computer program you need people to write different modules yeah you have a lead designer who sort of is really interesting i guess it is quite formulaic as well in a sense like different writers but they're all a part of a team right so they get the same brief for like you know okay

write the like let's do this but then we're going in this direction with this character blah like there's definitely like guidelines and right right and stuff in there that has to be someone as well that says for every episode they'll have to go through and make amendments like no no no Fitz wouldn't say that or oh no that's not very Coulson-y you know you need to establish a change of character because it's amazing how consistent these shows are with multiple writers at portraying a character the same they pretty much the same way unless something changes them, and then you need to go through and say, right, from now on,

Coulson's a complete dickhead to everybody for the next, like, 10 episodes, because he's got problems with his fake hand or whatever, and then we go on to the next series and it's all resolved. So I'm just amazed and fascinated by the process of how you write something that complicated,

and it has to be written with all the budget in mind and filming days and who you've got available because it's one of the funny things is especially when you watch a show like that you can tell that in the next episode a character is going to be the focus because they haven't appeared in the previous episode yeah but okay imagine all of that effort for a show that sucks nobody wants it like ncis watches it i mean ncis is one of the most long-running shows of all time which blows my mind but yeah there are shows out there that had like one series and it was god awful yeah and you think wow everybody was really involved in that

i mean really good friends that would feel so shitty eh like if you were on that you know part of that production and the whole thing i mean yeah like like you were on that you know part of that production and the whole thing i mean yeah like like you you're right you've been on this production you've maybe it's your big break it's the first big acting role you've had it's a tv series it's been it's been commissioned you're gonna make a whole series it's 24 episodes you get into the character you meet all the cast you will get on great the director's great the writer's great but the show fucking sucks like really sucks everyone's fun to work with but the show just dies on its ass or or something like that which doesn't even suck and it just gets cancelled because the network is just not exactly behind it i mean the guys that

made firefly still do appearances where they go to cons and stuff like that and talk about the characters and there's a huge fan yeah it's like a cult hit right right i mean imagine that they were like this show's great i love this character i love the writing i love the director this is going to be a lot of fun and then they're just like nah yeah and i'm like i mean honestly if firefly was around now it would be on netflix and it would be keeping going it would still be fucking going guaranteed but back in the day when it was like fox and stuff like that they were like we don't understand this so we're gonna break it we're gonna release the episodes of the wrong order and then we're gonna say it sucks yeah i mean fox fox axed a lot of good shows like when they were kind of at their best as well right

like arrested development got canceled in futurama get canceled at one point and then came back later that was fox there's a whole bunch there's a whole bunch of shows that were were were cut early for what for whatever reason now do you think that tells us that fox makes mistakes like that or that the majority of the audience out there just doesn't get shows that we like like maybe firefly was a fucking terrible ratings and everybody hated it i mean they did bad ratings that still survive though i think there's definitely politics at play in the background i mean cost has to be a part of it well there's cost it was expensive but there's also there's also stuff that you'll never know about you know like so and so slept with so and so's wife or something he hates him and he did

everything he could to make sure that his show got cancelled or you know what i mean like there's there's tons of crap like that that happens as well i'm sure of it um but you just obviously a lot of that stuff you'd like never hear about um so there's yeah so there's politics there's ratings but then again some shows where the ratings aren't great they'll just move it to like some dead slot at some shows that are doing well where there's like you know some some drama or something like that will be doing well and then they'll move it to a dead slot and then it'll die and then they'll cancel it like there's oh there's there's a million different examples of that happening not even just on fox like all all over the show but there are a lot of shows out there

that i despise that are very successful the big bang theory is a prime example of that. It did 12 seasons and it had 18 million people watch the final episode. 18 million people. Oh, is it actually done now? I think it's finished. Yeah. That's the 2018, 2019 season of Big Bang Theory. Who cares? Wait, it's gone on all that time?

Dude, it's still, it's such a big show. I do not believe that Big Bang Theory was that successful. Like anyone out there that listens to this podcast, please. I want to see the comments of the YouTube. Yeah, I'm a big fan. Great show. Everybody I ever worked with watched it. Like I remember people talking about it all the time.

There's lots of reasons why people would watch it and enjoy it. It's fucking awful, dude. I've never seen a single episode of it. It's possible. Well, sometimes it's hard to find good stuff though, right? Like you watch some things you watch it, don't you? Oh my god Lewis is a big Mock me for my choice

Zasta mate, what are you doing with your life wasting it? So little self-respect, how could you disgrace yourself so badly? Why do you hate yourself so much, Lewis? Next you're going to tell me that you liked How I Met Your Mother. Were you a big fan of that show? Oh, I've seen it. Yeah, I know of it. The one that has Doogie Howser MD in it?

Yeah. Man, he should have just stuck with Doogie Howser, honestly. He was in Starship Troopers, remember? No, I don't remember that, actually uh he was the psychic guy in that i remember that fucking guy that was in total recall he was like a 80s sort of like yeah that's the guy he was in died sadly but yeah he was great he was in scanners and he was in a whole bunch of movies like he was and uh and another one was uh was tom sizemore remember he? He was always the sort of... Tom Sizemore went nuts, though.

He did go absolutely nuts. Like, I think he made a load of porn movies. He did, yeah. Did tons of coke. Which, I mean, you could say he went off the rails. Or he reached peak Sizemore. Screech from Saved by the Bell died a couple of months ago. Yeah, he did, yeah.

He also had a bit of a tough time. But of, like, lung failure or something. Like, really bad. Like, I don't... He was, like, only in his 40s and yeah died of something that you'd expect like a hundred troubled life a troubled life i mean hayley joe osmond's had a pretty fucking weird life as well since uh since he was in um sixth sense or whatever and walker texas ranger and a few other things all right i understand he's had

a pretty bonkers uh yeah i mean i guess it happens well you tend to get a bit more of that with celebrity culture and celebrity lifestyle don't you it's it's it's a bit it's a bit of a wild place i've just i've got this notepad next to me where i like keep track of things and it's if someone picked this up it would be like the ramblings of a mad man it doesn't surprise me let's hear it what's on there well i was playing this game on on steam where it's like a like a cypher i think it was called like a decryption game so the first few pages are covered with my notes taken while i was trying to decrypt things so it looks like the crazy journal of someone who's trying to keep something secret right and then i've got just a whole page of notes about like ideas for songs that we came up with ideas for like what are the ideas for songs if

you don't mind sharing well like real songs or parody songs you can't really do any talking about like talking about like coming up with ideas for a christmas song right and so various like ideas about elves like kind of trying to make ipads how the fuck can you be bothered doing all that like you when you describe this that to me sounds like fucking homework you know like it just sounds so fucking tedious like you know oh i gotta get a christmas song out this year like jesus like it's fun we have these we create this it's fun stuff i enjoy doing reports were really fun too i bet for you did you like did you like that it's cool you were it's good when we were at yogs live we are con right yeah and there were all those people singing diggy diggy hole sure i know i'm gonna i'm in love with you

i'm not a fan of the song it's not my genre right sure but those people were so fucking happy yeah like it's all i mean they were kids when that song came out. It was a big deal, big nostalgia thing for them. They loved it. Sorry, I'm ruining the magic. You are. They loved it. I'm like the Disney whistleblower. And Lewis is trying to come up with another one.

It's a small world. It was composed by Hitler. Did you know that? I'm not trying to come up with another one. I'm just having fun with these guys. It's a small world. Vilt, after all. Weird language. That's after he's conquered half of it.

It's so small, this Vilt, I thought it would be bigger. One of them here, I've got you written down, P-Flax. I don't know if I want to share this. No, no, I want to hear it. Flax, you're going to do a Christmas song. We wish you a Merry Flaxmas. Well, I've got weird, bald Santa written here, and then in brackets, P-Flax.

Oh, man. I don't know where that came from. I do. I know exactly where that came from. Spite. Spite and hate. Really? And a hatred for my people.

Bold people out there, you heard it. Weird, bold. Weird, bold. Weird, bold Santa. Poor, bold people. I mean, it's bad enough they're bald in the first place, but just the toxicity around them. We're fair game, apparently.

I get stuff all the time. Do you know how many people on Instagram have sent me the picture of those two dinosaurs saying, why don't bold men fight more often this way with the two bald dinosaurs about to crack heads i've must have received that about 20 times on instagram thanks it's well it's not that you haven't got like the the kind of representatives you know standing up for you like you know sort of the the these pro bald people who are starting you know shops for bald people and stuff you know and like it's bald acceptance there's who are starting, you know, shops for bald people and stuff, you know,

and like bald acceptance. There's no bald acceptance movement. Do you know what it is? Do you know what it is? People see baldness as a failing. They think it's a weakness that you fucked up. Yeah. I saw, I can't remember which show I was watching, but I was slightly taken aback by it. but I remember hearing this before as well. And it was, I think it was like a dating show or it was one of those reality shows where, you know, like married at first sight or something like that, you know? And the woman said like, oh, I really don't like bald men or men who are balding. And I just thought, geez, that's's really that's pretty harsh i mean it's

not their fault like it did happen it's like right to a lot of people don't care you know it's fair game to make fun of bald people i don't know why i don't know why it's i know but i think a lot of people choose to have like that ball really like the rock and people they well you well i think once you're once you've gone bald you have, you have to sort of roll with it, right? What's the alternative, Lewis? I reckon The Rock should be the pro bald guy because he looks great. But you say he's chosen it. What is his alternative?

He's lost all the hair on top of his head. What is his alternative? I wonder if... Frasier? Fucking Frasier? Is that the alternative haircut? You have the little dangly bits at the back and you're bald on top? Or Picard with just a rim of gray hair around it that's like the ultimate those are

the two options he was always very shaved head anyway right though wasn't he the rock but i think a lot of that was that he lost quite a lot of hair early he used to have hair but you could see his hairline was going back when he was a started out in wrestling he had hair but as he started to lose it you can't just cling on to like tufts and keep growing them out because that looks even worse that's what i mean i'm looking at this wrestling picture of steve steve austin he was obviously right as well and then you've got hulk hogan who should have gone bald he should have just worshipped but instead he wore that weird bandana to try and hide the receding hair so that's the option you either conceal it in which case you're giving in to the haters and you're saying yes i will hide my shame

i think exactly i think that's the embarrassing one right like you're you are both weird and bald but they're not like correlated right you know you don't have to be i was weird when i had hair like this there's no relation between the two events. But what I will say is, like, if you're bold, bold brothers out there and sisters, some of the sisters out there are bold as well.

Bold brothers and sisters, hear me now. There is nothing that we respect less than people who are part of the bold fraternity and reject it and hide it

and wear a wig or grow their hair like Hulk Hogan and wear a fucking thingy on there. If you're wearing a toupee or or you're wearing a bandana, or you're trying to hide it, or you just always wear a hat, own it. Own who you are. Fuck the haters.

Don't let them tell you, oh, you're weak because you're bald. Fuck you. Look at The Rock. He'd fucking tear you in half. I'm wondering, though, you know, like the woman on that show who's like, I don't really like bald men. I'm sure she would like The Rock, though. You know what I mean?

He's bald, but like he's super handsome. He's fucking ripped and stuff like how could you? Well, he's also so tall. She's not going to turn him down. Of course. He's like seven feet tall. So you wouldn't really even be to see up there. Right.

You don't even know that he was bald because you're looking from a lower angle. Right. You'd never know. No, I just I'm wondering, like if, you you know because she said she doesn't like bald men but maybe she just doesn't like nerds maybe she hasn't met the right one maybe she doesn't like millhouse van hooten's dad that that kind of bald man right the ring the receding ring yeah i do want to talk about about a tweet just briefly so move tweeted me and she said, at Pyrene Flax, do we need to get you on a call

with Gemma, Lydia and Boba and me to discuss dick pic etiquette? Because this is a callback to last week's Triforce. And then Boba says, this makes it sound like Pyrene sent you one, which is kind of sad. But what gets me is Boof's reply. She says, I'm so sorry. He's just clueless because he's been happily married for decades. That was how she put it.

And I thought that was interesting. Sips and I both did admit that we don't know anything about this shit because we haven't had to do it. Clueless. I thought that was interesting. We don't know shit about shit. Well, we know nothing about nothing. This is something.

We know nothing. This is a particularly bad. That's the formula. You can have something, and on the other side of the formula, whatever the equation is, nothing is the answer. And in between, you've got us and whether we know something. I'd like to see the actual formula for it, but essentially the input is something, and the output is nothing.

Well, by all means, look, educate yourself. Get out there. Put yourself out there. Get some snaps and, you know, get out there and see what happens. You know, you never know. I was talking to someone this week who said that all of the, I can't remember who, someone in the office, and they were saying that how people on Zoom have sort of, over the last year, gotten so used to Zoom calls.

Like at the start of the pandemic, everyone was really shy and didn't say anything. And now people are treating it like they're just monologuing to no one and they're just yammering off on one. Like a podcast. A bit like a stream or something as well. Yeah, I don't know where that sort of shift when that shift happened. Even more people want to be streamers now. I've noticed a couple. I'm still not

comfortable on Zoom calls and stuff. Really? Me too. I haven't done that many. I hate them. I hate FaceTime and all that shit. all that trying to avoid doing that it's the worst you know what the problem is there's a delay you know your mom says like how are you doing yeah we're fine how are you guys doing and then you talk over them oh yeah really good it's so jarring like i just that's how it is yeah my mom's thing is she constantly turns the camera or the microphone off by mistake. I don't know how, but she'll be holding the phone.

We'll be doing, like, a WhatsApp call or something so the kids can chat to her, and she'll put the camera... She'll go from selfie mode to, like, the wrong mode so we just see a shot of a cup of tea, or she'll just mute herself and she'll be chatting away and we're waving our hands, and she's, like, waving back and then carrying on talking. We're like, no, no, we're waving to tell you there's no sound.

And I had a whole conversation with my mom and dad on the weekend on Mother's Day and she put the camera between the two of them. So the idea was that I could see both of them, but actually I could see, you know, my mom's left arm and my dad's right arm. And that was it. I hope one of the things that we learn from the pandemic is how important it is to be face to face with people. And hopefully once the restrictions are lifted and it's safer to be around people, I hope people use these FaceTime stuff less and actually just go and visit people more so than they have ever done. Right. Because it's something that we kind of take for granted. Right. more so than they have ever done, right? Because it's something that we kind of take for granted, right? But I think all this has shown at least that how important it is

and how much better it is to just be face-to-face with somebody and actually hang out with somebody. Yeah, it matters. Yeah. It changes the way conversation is. For sure. Because so much of nonverbal communication and cues and stuff like that that you take from other people.

And it's just I feel so much happier when I'm with other people um like for instance when when i come down to bristol and we all hang out i love it i absolutely love it and hang out with everybody and have a laugh and a chat and go to the pub and everything and or recording like next to each other like i did a tabs thing with tom and it was just me and tom doing it and we were just sat in the same room it was great it was a lot more fun and like whenever we do live streaming and stuff like that we're all in the same office it feels a lot more connected and fun it's a weird it's weird because it's a balanced thing for me like i like going out and then once i've been i'm so glad to get home i think that's fair you know what i mean like i can't you know it gives

me it replenishes that quota for me or whatever like that i maybe i'm not super aware of but you know what i mean like usually when i get home i'm like oh okay great you know i'll do that again in a month or whatever but that's enough for now kind of thing you know like i go kind of crazy just streaming all the time like i've found that i either if i'm playing a game by myself i'll just i ramble even more than usual like i'm just off on some weird rambly thing or if i'm playing games with people i'll i'll get kind of snappy sometimes and it's like not the way i want to be it's just it's it's not been healthy it sounds like you've got that really healthy sort of hour of three hours of family time yeah you can't avoid it

when you've got kids and stuff right yeah but it is it's such a weird thing having been stuck inside now for almost an entire year yeah i think people it doesn't feel right i've seen people say like tweeting and stuff saying like oh i've just felt so weird recently or i felt down or i feel feel miserable and i think with a lot of this like you know being locked down and stuff i think while it's happening you don't think about it so much or it's it's not something that's apparently doing hard ways to distract yourself with tv yeah i think i think it has just taken a toll on a lot of people in it in a lot of different ways and i think i think people just need to give themselves a break and realize not blame everything on that but like it

has been pretty tough right like it's just been it's just been such a weird time and it's it's thrown everybody off so much and um i think it's one of those things where you kind of realize it later that like how how it has affected you sort of thing like if you look back yeah and i'm not saying it always it's good to hang out with people some people are awful yeah some people are cunts yeah for sure we all know we know who we're talking a couple of people right i've got actually so i've noticed um because i'll be playing tabletop sim i've got actually one of these pages of my notes is people who i refuse to play with again and i've made like some notes like this guy very slow and annoying that's what i've written next to his name i don't want to say what he's done uh tedious

awkward foreign accent if we put next to this guy i guess that means it's hard to understand him and he's very boring no that's fair enough honestly no i i have a mental list of people i don't play dota with for sure it's the same thing yeah yeah well these are just random people like i noticed that they kept popping up again in the in the in the tts club and i almost joined games with them when i was like oh no okay let me check my list oh i love the video um of you playing that game with uh with ben and um oh god what's his name alex yeah yeah um the the the re the recut that that joe did where it was you guys like i tried to i've made mrs f watch it i was like this this is how men spend their time when we get together and we're playing a game perfectly happy for four hours talking about

rules or saying nothing like that is literally the most the most bloke thing that i can think of i'm not saying that women don't do it too but i know that when i was growing up that was how i spent my spare time get all the lads together we would never have a conversation you don't waste time when you could be playing this game or reading rules and being boring, having a conversation about what you did last weekend or how your mums are or anything. You literally just say, right, let's go. And that's four or five hours reading rules. That was it.

I just thought that was amazing. You know what I really want is for one time for you to have, is there a special unit that is about a metre on a side? Like that's the size of its base. My special unit is about a meter in size. I want to see you deploy like some kind of Titan in one of these games, Lewis, where it's literally one meter square base, huge model, and you just put it. And whatever units you put it on are killed.

And you can just bonk, put that on the board. Just see how it goes. We're going gonna do that we're gonna do an apocalypse game of of epic proportions and and play over the course of like a day or two and then you know that turn that into a 20 minute video i think that's the plan really so that we'll come back the next day and talk about what we did and cut in all the good bits and what made me laugh is people calling for the uncut for hours like who i know like who wants to watch for because the thing is we knew that we weren't gonna be you're putting out that whole five hours of game because we knew and that let us sort of take it easy and as a result that you know we are we are just chatting about coffee and stuff and what we've been doing while we're playing

and we you know we're just having this day of of gaming together it was very wholesome it was very nice that was during the first um break so hopefully now things are starting to open up again we can have another game stay and you're welcome to come down pflex take part we're gonna play maybe twilight imperium yeah i'd love to it's like a 12 hour long board game it's insanely detailed um and it's just it's just it's um it's just it takes forever i've always wanted to play a full game of that i really have so yeah i would i would be down so we're gonna we're gonna do we're gonna organize one of those well i've definitely invite you're invited so so once you've had your jab um you know i still haven't fucking had it i know loads of people have had them i haven't

fucking well you've had corona but even so i think you're still supposed to have the jab because you can get it again. But I'm also 45. Rolling out vaccinations to people in Jersey between the ages of 40 and 50. So I think I'm due for one fairly soon. Nice. I know people that are in their 20s and haven't

fucking had it. And they're like, I don't have any underlying health conditions. Or they had something when they were much younger and I'm just like, come on, give give me the jab i'm old as fuck they they might work in the industry though so they probably got it on the dark web they probably just ordered up some the dark mafia thing i wonder if that's going on because that's the sort of thing you saw in like films like contagion like the mafia would get hold of a load of doses or like except uh the mafia is just the um UK government and it was Matt Hancock that orchestrated the whole thing.

Oh, shit. Well, look, we better go. Thank you for listening this week, everybody. Hope you all did well out there. Look after yourselves and we'll see you next. Thank you.

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