Triforce! - Triforce! #174: The Hottest Gamer Takes

Episode Date: April 28, 2021

Triforce! Episode 174! "Gamer" invents some house rules to fix Magic the Gathering, "Shorts" thinks No Mans Sky sucks and "Salty" has refunded 3 games this week. Maybe they should just stick to gardening? Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Thanks for joining us. It's good to see you. Good to... Well, I can't see you, but it's good to... It's good to know you're there. It's good to sort of spread my audio over your ears, into your ears. I'm here. Sorry, I'm really busy today. I've got a lot of uh stuff it's tax time and um man there's like you know there's stuff happening like um like doge coins and whatever like jeez i got so many emails to so i'm here but like you know if i'm a bit distant it's because i'm super busy so okay you're cracking down on them i'm trying to get it yeah i'm trying to get

like ahead of the game well there's so much you know it's in a for a modern modern man you know to to deal with digitally you know because ai and dogecoin and um man the list globalization nfts mutual funds for rsps like geez rsvps RSPs, like, geez. RSVPs. RSVPs. Oh, God. There's RRPs, of course. You've got to look at those and figure out. You've got to go and check my fridge and check all the sell-by dates and everything in there as well. LLPs, BFGs. Oh, my God. Don't get me started on those BFGs. BBWs.

BBWs. BBDAs. get me started on those bbws bbws bbda's so uh how's everyone doing what have you done this week what have you got up yourselves up to what have you what pickles have you got yourself in no no pickles i got my guy we got a greenhouse it's not the big boy one that i was talking about designing my own and uh but we got like a a starter greenhouse but it's not one of those flimsy ones that will just blow into the road uh the minute there's like a gentle breeze it's like made of wood it's pretty sturdy it's heavy it's quite big um but it's not just a sort of flimsy framework of glass it's but i can fit quite a bit in there. Like we started growing some little lettuce, some lamb's lettuce. We got a couple of pots of cress growing.

Did you go to the garden center then? Is that what? Yeah, it wasn't this week though. This is like, this has been going on for like a couple of weeks. Oh, so you've been buying up cress seeds and things thinking, I'm going to plant these when we have a greenhouse. No, no. My kids like got, I don't like, I don't know how they managed to find this stuff but they they have like

i think my mother-in-law underground connections yeah they have like it's like a black market the kids used to buy stuff from other kids and grandparents yeah you know they got these little sets that had like a trowel and like and gloves and all this stuff. Like it's it's like a little bum bag that you like, you know, tidy your waist. It's got all the stuff in it. And it came with seeds for all sorts of stuff. So we were like, OK, well, let's just plant them. And some of them are growing.

It's unbelievable. Like little tiny sprouts are coming out of the out of the soil. We you know, we we we sowed those seeds. And now that they're in the greenhouse, nice and warm in there, they get the sun, we've been watering them every day, stuff is actually growing. So before you know it, we're going to be doing a chef's kiss every night with food that we've grown in my greenhouse. I can smell the greenhouse while you're talking about it.

That greenhouse smell, especially if there's tomatoes growing in there. There's no tomatoes in there just yet. We're getting there though. But that's the smell, you know, that's the smell of a greenhouse. For sure. We had a greenhouse as a kid and I remember my parents would grow tomatoes, things in there. Yeah, it was a big part of my childhood, having a garden and having kind of strawberry patches and a raspberry bush and I don't know various other bits and bobs around the garden that I'd be sent out to sort of do not for kind of just a fun thing really it was yeah it was never anything like a big like any kind of scale we never had enough

to give to anyone else or barely enough to eat ourselves really but it was kind of this thing just right it was nice I think it was nice my grandmother had a greenhouse we didn't have one but but my granny did and i remember it was a proper attached to the house glass construction that was sort of yeah that's i'd like something like that in the future but for now i'm just gonna have to settle with uh this one that we got which is fine it's fine it does the job but it's it does all the things that i wanted to do um but i've got big big plans you know i've got i've got a vision have you pardon me i'm burping a little bit as well um my vision is to immediately stop burping but then after that um no like i want like a more permanent greenhouse i want like some automatic like water in there like a spray i want like a nice hot mist

to form a place for terry to live as he gets bigger like a sort of tropical like a big tropical butterfly sanctuary like a dome i guess yeah yeah a dome yeah you want a bio dome i want a bio dome yeah it's not too much to ask. Hey, buddy. I want to be Pauly Shore in my older years. I want to have my own biodome. Invite Brendan Fraser over. Hopefully he's not too busy. Maybe he can come over and check it out and stuff. He's not busy, you see.

He's not now. He's not really that much on. I reckon if we called him up and asked him to be on the podcast, there's a decent chance he'd say yes. Man, he'd be chomping, I think. He'd be like, fuck. Really, guys? Let's do it for it for free just get me on i just want to hear my own voice again i i went to garden center this week as well weirdly um there's one up the end of the harbor that i didn't realize it was there it's like hidden behind i bought a little cactus in a pot

um a little indoor it was just cute enough for you it's just enough yeah i've actually i've actually got it here on the desk but it's like um i probably won't die um no they don't they're really hardy actually you can get you just give them a bit of water every once in a while and they're they're fine they don't need direct sunlight but they can handle the direct sunlight like they're they're really really They are evidence that life will find a way wherever. Another good one for you, Lewis, might be a spider plant. You know, like, because they like it dark. Oh, I hate spiders, though.

Yeah, but I mean, this is more of a plant than a spider. Did I tell you guys about my friend in the garage? A spider? Yeah. No, it's been a rough lockdown. Well, there's Terry as well. But no, I have a new spider friend in my garage. He lives in the corner and he lives sort of behind or she, I don't know.

It's a she. She lives behind a, like, kind of like a wire organizer that runs along the top of the ceiling. But there's enough space for her to, like, crawl it and i guess like nest there and uh the other morning when i came in i looked up to the corner to see if she was there and there was just like three legs sticking out oh no no she's fine but she was just chilling up there oh she's just chilling yeah yeah she like she sets up a net like a web in the same place all the time and just and just hangs there waiting for her stuff i guess and then otherwise she just hides behind that wire organizer and just like has a nap i think their heart basically uh there's it stops because they're basically dead when they're chewing

in their web like they slow everything right down so they're like hibernating and then the movement of the web wakes them up and it's like oh there's that moment where they sort of twitch yeah and they turn towards it and then they scurry over there it's very exciting yeah terrifying if you were to scale that up i mean to say the size of a cow yeah it'd be very very scary there's not a lot of bugs in your in your in your i guess in your in your garage no there are tons actually um oh well it's a it's a it's a it's a garage um it's not airtight it's not super airtight i mean it's pretty airtight i mean it's not like a temperature control yes true i suppose so like you know there's stuff from the garden crawls in here and tries to get in sometimes in the summer you get like a fly or two or whatever

but my buddy up there is gonna take care of all that for me like nature life is finding a way are you sure you don't need to like chuck a few in? I do if I catch a bug, chuck it in the web for the spider. I feel bad for the bug, but if it's a bug that I see is okay to kill, I'll kill flies and I'll kill wasps. I consider that fair game. Mosquitoes as well. Those are all fair game. Oh, mosquitoes for sure.

Yeah. If I could catch every mosquito in the world in a net and throw them into a spider web and they would die, I would do it. I don't like those. Well, then you should be friends to the dragonfly. There we go. Because their larvae will kill mosquito larvae before they get going. We went to southern France and there's an area called the Vendee.

And there's all these beautiful canals that were constructed to hold water for the nearby farmland. So the canals hold the water. If you have a dry spell, you just let a bit of the canal water out. It's like Venice Verde, I think they call it, the Green Venice. And you can take boats up and down the canal. It's beautiful. And I said to the guy, excuse-a-moi, qu'est-ce que c'est, soles mosquitos ici, or something like that.

Why are there no mozzies? And he said, the dragonfly is your friend, mes amis. The dragonfly lover will eat the mosquitoes. So we have no mosquitoes. And I said, well, très bien, monsieur. Carry on boating. Another fun mosquito-related fact for you guys today. If you ever visit the Portuguese island of Madeira, they also have no mosquitoes.

And the reason for that is they have some native lizards there that eat them all up. They're harmless lizards who eat all the mosquitoes. Well, they're not harmless to the mosquitoes, are they? Yeah. Well, yeah, but they're heroes to me. Little green heroes. Yeah. God, we need more of these guys.

Yeah. We do. We need to import them. So this week, it's interesting that you guys are talking about gardens. I am having my garden done right now. Ooh. There are men redoing the garden as we speak. What kind of stuff are you having done in there?

So our garden is pretty square. Right. And then there's a path at the side of the house, which is just access to the side of the house and the shed and all the rest sure and we had the the garden when we first moved in was just grass it was like shit grass you know it's like right because there's not enough light so we replaced that with with um paving and we had a back flower bed and a flower bed on one side but it's basically been untouched really for like 10 years we plant stuff we trim we clean it order barbecue we put some pebbles down to cover the gaps and everything in the stones but really it hasn't had much done

it's complete redesign right having a raised flower bed at the back with sleepers oh we have trimmed the camellia bush way back because it was fucking out of control it was like an old man's beard growing into the garden it was huge there was a viburnum had to get rid of that it's an ugly bush anyway and then we're having the whole thing paved like up to the edges and all the gaps filled in that sounds great it's gonna be good yeah it's gonna be really good can we will you share pictures when you're done i'm interested to see how this turns out i might i mean privately i'm not saying get onto socials and stuff just like just even then just what's at me some pictures so i can see. I will. Yeah. Sleepers. Well, in London, there's plenty of those.

Indeed. These are new. We did a similar thing a couple of years ago, but we didn't go as fancy as you. Basically, we got rid of all life in the backyard as we knew it, and then we just mulched up all of the lawn because it was mostly dead. And then just got new lawn laid down. But all that was back there was just new lawn and nothing else.

Oh, and one tree. And that's it. So we got rid of like all the flower, but everything. Because it was just a total disaster. It was a mess. And now slowly we're with the greenhouse and whatnot. We're like reintroducing and sort of reorganizing the garden which is actually really nice it's really satisfying to do uh because then you just have

this nice space you know like that you just didn't have before which is really good yeah and i'm excited about growing food as well i just think that's such a cool thing yeah but you know what talking of growing foods last last weekend i i went away uh went to West Dorset. Oh, yeah. How did that go? Lyme Regis and Bridport. So Mrs. F was going to come with us, but she came down with a cold that was pretty bad. So Thursday rolled around and she was snotting everywhere and she was feeling grim. So she was like, could you just go with the kids? And I was like, fine. So I left the dog at home, which has actually made things a little easier.

Went down to Bournemouth, picked up my mum and we drove off and we were away for the weekend it was very nice the weather was great um and it's just such a beautiful part of uh the country um really really the most british looking farmland ever rolling hills gentle sheep you know cows and it was just it was just lovely and uh country lanes with the sort of raised hedges and everything so then it's weird coming back to london you immediately think what a fucking ugly shithole london is compared to the countryside that's the first thought that popped into my head is it's really unnatural and unpleasant to be surrounded by all this gray fabrication and grayness and the block and just the dirt and everything like seeing

a tree in london you think oh a tree like it's like you know wow but you're in the country they're fucking everywhere yeah and there's grass everywhere there's animals just walking about so i kind of thought would i want to trade especially i think being in having the year of lockdown and everything like that we we're just living in london we're not doing any londony stuff no we just happen to live here. I don't know. It made me pine for, when we're talking about gardens, opening my back door and just seeing

rolling hills and countryside and stuff like that. But, fuck it. I can't leave London. I love it. That's what it comes down to. You're being called to the country and then when you get over 60, you'll start being called to the seaside. Right mean yeah that's what happens see the thing is these places will call me and i'll listen i'll be like you know what the sea is calling me the countryside's calling me

but then uh my brain will also be calling to me saying that's too much fucking work it's too much upheaval so i'll just stay where i am you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah like my roots now are are firmly here and men i don't know about you guys but like moving is the worst and i couldn't ever i just don't want to move again it's the worst you've kind of spent quite a lot of time pimping your place out though to suit yourself and i think having to be confronted with doing that again feels like an insurmountable challenge yes yeah yeah i mean we don't really have room for a third child which is uh you know a problem i mean like we will soon like i guess after we get our loft converted but you know these things take time so like it might be done by the time the

baby is like the loft conversion child yeah that's a good one to think about yeah so there's you know the unexpected extra one yeah well i think you've pretty much expected it and they're not too too far apart in age oh yeah seven years yeah they'll be able to I mean baby the baby doesn't need their their own room for years anyway really I mean they could just like you know sleep in a crib in our room it's fine but um but yeah though I still don't want to move though like even though I probably could move and maybe probably should move I still just don't want to move like I'm just happy here and we'll just make it work you know like just keep adding to the house or do whatever we need to do or whatever but man it's just the worst the whole i'm glad i don't live in some gigantic mansion because with covid it would have just

fallen into disrepair do you know i mean like i live in like a two-bed apartment and it's nice to be able to it's easy to clean you know it's just like once a week i give it hoover and try to do the bathrooms it's like not it's not like a lot of hassle right obviously like i just i like the idea that i see a lot of these youtubers living in gigantic mansions right and yeah i just think what what happens what what what happens to you in covid in there on your own for a year it must i don't know i don't think i'd be too upset about having a mansion to live in during uh lockdown i think you know i don't know if it's all i think it's over each day of the week you could spend time in a different room and you just feel like you're in a hotel or whatever right like oh yeah i forgot i had a

library oh nice okay well this will do me for today i guess and tomorrow's back to the utility room i guess or whatever like you know i think my whole life has kind of been on the computer anyway ever since i was you know ever since i had my first pc i kind of felt like it was it was it was it was everything it from tv to books to to everything I would kind of do at the computer. So it wasn't like this last year has been that different really in a sense to the rest of my existence. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just talking about gaming and stuff and, you know, what defines a gamer.

I was talking about the guys with this this week because it's like do you do you guys consider yourself gamers um can you can you define gamer well if i just tell you that like do you consider yourself to be a gamer um i want to know what your definition of a gamer is oh yeah i think that well it means something different to a different people, doesn't it, though? Right. So I want to know what yours is. What's your definition of a gamer? Well, I'm someone who plays hundreds of hours of games a week. And I wouldn't consider myself a gamer because I think that terminology refers to someone who plays FIFA on the sofa. Do you know what I mean? With Mountain Dew and a Doritos pack and plays Call of Duty.

So you're saying that because you sit at a computer chair and you eat like vegan snacks and play like weird old military strategy games or whatever, you're better than that guy who's doing essentially all the same things that you're doing. Well, yeah, I guess if we're just using the term to refer to someone who plays games. But also, though, I feel like I'm not immersed in gaming culture. I've never really played Pokemon. I had a look at the first one, or one of the first ones back in the day.

I love how that's like a benchmark. I've never played Pokemon. I don't own any consoles. I haven't owned any of them for ever i owned i think i asked when i was a ps2 i've got a switch but i've used it about once to play i played the zelda about halfway through and then i breath of the wilds i i didn't get i never got to the end of it and i haven't it's just gather dust in the last two three years since i got it you know i i i'm not up on these things the culture of gaming if you if you like i mean this is a kind of

supposed to be a gaming podcast well but but i feel like i'm just if i was called to do any kind of quiz about gaming i'd be terrible well i mean we you know i i mean gaming is such a broad thing now there's tons of different genres of games there's tons of different communities for games like you know there's there's casual games there's not so casual games there's there's all sorts of stuff i mean to to keep up with everything would be a lot and i think you'd have to be kind of passionate about the industry as a whole which is garbage i don't know why anybody would waste their time and um i i think you just you just play the stuff that you like to play whatever it's fine like i guess you're i guess you're a gamer

you're just um you're like a you know like you've carved your own little part of the gaming world right you know about some games, clearly. Yeah. You play enough of them. I do. On the same topic, this week, I was playing some Magic the Gathering, right? Because there's a new expansion. It's like Hogwarts, basically.

And they've launched the Magic the Gathering Arena app on the iPad, which I've had so many adverts for. But I hate Magic the Gathering. I really hate it. it's a game that is that is just unfortunately pinned to its original design from 1996 when games were quite different and it's stuck around and not innovated out of its the basically what i'm trying to say is i don't like one of the core mechanics of magic the gathering which hearthstone fixed and became hugely successful off of which is the idea that your lands are mixed into your deck and you sometimes or quite often i'd say about one in three or four games or sometimes even more either end up with only lands or or not enough lands right and right it's deeply

and i'm deeply unsatisfying so when I play Magic the Gathering in person I always like have to explain to people that we're going to play it differently we're going to play Lewis oh right you're one of those what does that mean I hate that to just say that well so basically I just take

all the lands out of the deck which leaves you often with only a really tiny looking deck which is kind of sad it makes you realise how limited Magic the Gathering is I just take all the lands out of the deck, which leaves you often with only a really tiny-looking deck, which is kind of sad. It makes you realize how limited Magic the Gathering is. I remember this. So your point is that sometimes you can lose a game because you get land-starved, and that's not fair.

Well, or the other way around, or you get flooded. And it's a part of Magic the Gathering. It's sure, like, people can fix it, and you're supposed to fix it, and blah, blah, blah. And everyone's like, oh, well, you just build your deck in a way that makes sure you get lots of lands and all that garbage but the thing is any any randomized deck there are going to be occasions just like in poker where you deal out you know four of a kind on the flop or whatever which does happen you know three of a kind on

the flop and then the turn card is another you know so you've got four of a kind on the board that does happen so similarly in magic Gathering, you can shuffle the deck and you might end up with 20 lands or whatever you've got at the top of the deck. It's possible. But obviously that is a failing of the game. It is a failing of the game. And unfortunately for me, it happens too much

and it really ruins the fun, I think. It ruins the whole game for me. And also... So you've played this game so much that you now have developed your own rules for playing the game with other people who've played the game a lot yes but you're not a gamer so no right well that's not trying to keep up video game is it yeah anyway um you you you guys know what i mean so so so basically the rules that we have are we have a separate pile of lands,

a separate deck of lands, and a separate deck of – so you have the two decks. So on your draw phase, whenever it says draw, you can choose to draw from either pile, right? And obviously this does change some of the balance of cards, but mostly we don't play sort of fixed decks. We usually draft or stuff like that. And obviously when you're drafting cards it's all completely you might get like a really amazing bomb card or like a terrible junk load

of crap anyway so the balance is all off anyway when you're doing a draft and i don't know i just had a lot more fun with it when we changed the rules but some people think that that is the most heretical thing to do right because the game developers know best and blah blah blah blah blah and all this crap and i do it all the time though all the time i'm one of these people who is constantly just saying oh let's try it let's try this this game without this rule or like the house rules everyone has house rules for stuff and they're they're often because they found that it works better in that way right sure people are and look i know there's i know that the developers have developed this game and they've

played it a hundred times do you think that you know best do you think that you'll get banned from attending tournaments and stuff if they hear about your creepy rule set that you creepy and your friends play yeah well they're, there is that fear. They're going to hear about it. They're going to be like, this is such a huge disrespect to us. He's not allowed to come to any of our card game tournaments anymore. You, sir, are banned from Magic the Gathering forever. You will never step foot in this convention again, sir. Yeah. Well, I think that to some extent there's a bit of that.

But I think most developers are open to people challenging them and changing the game and playing them how they want and whatever but i think i run into this all the time and people say oh no this is how it should be played like we and not that i if anyone's going to argue with me i usually just feel like no problem like let's just do it the standard way i don't mind but you know i just think it's more fun this way it's more interesting this way these rules work and you find them quite quickly and i think there is this idea that the the original developers way of doing it is the best and in fact often it's not i think developers are like a lot of the time for example like gdc for example i talked to some game developer right and he'd be like oh

so this game does this this and this and I'd be like oh right so it's like um it's like that bit in Slay the Spire and he's like what what and I'd be like yeah Slay the Spire so it's a bit like that bit and he's like oh I've never played that and I'm like you're developing a game which is exactly like another game in the world of gaming and you haven't played one of the most popular games in that genre that happens a lot though but there there are so many games now to be fair i know and that's that but that's why i think that you know these guys are and these games are fallible these developers the these these game modes when i say game i mean rules i guess i mean i mean like the the way it's set up like for example proximity chat in a game is often there because it's the easiest way

for the developer to put voice chat into their game right yeah they've got two options either everyone's broadcasting all the time to each other or it's prox based and so they've put it in, but like we, we often play on, like we played Trouble in Terrorist Town on Discord and we don't have prox chat and it works fine because we've kind of ended up adjusting the rules to that setting. Man, I kind of, I kind of know where you're coming from. Like, um, let me just explain, uh, this, which I'm sure I've explained before. Here's another, um, another, a Triforce moment for you I'll probably repeat word for word something I've already said before like I get these I have these sort of moments when I'm gaming or like it's usually after I play a really good game and

then I'm trying to find something else to play I'll get like in a bit of a bit of a rut I guess but while I'm in that rut all I can think about is playing dudes in alaska which doesn't exist and is like my my ideal game you know what i mean and then i just get really sort of bummed out about what games are around what's on offer why hasn't anybody made dudes in alaska yet blah blah blah blah and um i feel like you're in the same spot right now with the magic the gathering you know what i? Like maybe you just finished playing some really good games. Also Warhammer. Right. And I mean, if I'd name like two of the biggest franchises in gaming,

they are Magic the Gathering and Warhammer. You know, they are huge franchises, right? They are massively successful and they are at their heart supposed to be have a game. I mean, but they're not really, are they? Both Magic the Gathering and Warhammer are about selling toys, selling cards, building a collection, collecting things. The game is kind of there as this adjunct, right? And it's not very good and it's never been good,

but it can't change because too many people are like, this game's really perfect. It can't change the game uh and so like like warhammer is a perfect example of a terrible terrible game right like i read this article i read that article i was reading this thing by this this person and she was like oh you know i got into painting because my boyfriend collected warhammer and one day he taught me how to sort of play and we played on the floor, like Floor Hammer. And the whole time she was talking about the interview,

she was kind of dodging the fact that she clearly hated the game. And she was like, oh, yeah. And obviously then, you know, it was okay. I didn't really understand it. She was trying to avoid saying that she didn't like it, right? And she had a bad time. Because Warhammer is a bad time it's a bad game it's a shallow comp it's a shallow shallow game it's it's skin deep and the complexity comes from a vast amount it's like it's like an ocean of complexity but it's only a millimeter deep right there's no real can you give me an example

of how i'm gonna get a lot of people no no no you're entitled to your your stupid opinions i haven't played warhammer since like first or second edition or whatever so i haven't played it recently but when they started to make so games workshop had 40k warm fantasy Blood Bowl. And then they started to make lots of other games like Seas of Blood, I think was one. And there were a ton, all these other games they started to come out with. And I noticed the trend for simplification.

Like the games were getting simpler and simpler and simpler, but there were more and more units because that means more stuff to sell, right? And all very specific rules for each gun. And you bought a piece and it came with a special like splash damage counter or whatever this is exactly the problem that that seemed to be the direction it was going and i remember i played against my friend i played seas of blood pretty sure i mentioned this before but i can't remember i had the default corsair ships or whatever they were that came with it because i didn't want to spend any money on it

he bought the game he bought some extra bits to go with it. So he bought these dwarf ships. And of course, being his workshop, if it's anything related to dwarves, they're super OP. Same in Blood Bowl, same in everything. So he's got these ships that he paid money for and I've got the ones that came with the game.

Now to my mind, any game where the more money you spend, the better the shit you have access to is pay to win. Games Workshop invented pay to win in games. And I suppose Magic the Gathering followed suit as well because there are some cards that you just got to have them. So you have to spend money to get them. And a lot of other things that followed suit, Hearthstone and all the rest of it.

So when I saw that my ships ships their only advantage was that they were slightly quicker than his ships because he was dwarves and i was just like these regular ships his units had so much armor on them that i don't think i could actually do any damage to him with my ship unless i rolled like all sixes or whatever and his guns could basically cover the entire board so my friend came up with this strategy of just parking his ship in the middle of the map and just waiting and if i came anywhere near him he'd kill me so i'm staying at maximum range going as fast as i can trying to plank away at him and it doesn't matter he just blows me up and the game is over and i was like this is

fucking stupid and he was like well why don't you go buy some better ships and then we'll have a proper game i was like because this game fucking sucks. I'm not going to spend any money on it. And this dwarf thing is like 25 quid and you haven't even painted it because we never paint our models because we're lazy bastards. So we just always played with these unpainted models. I was disgusted.

And I thought Games Workshop has gone the same way for a very long time. Obsession with certain races and making them money. It is the whatever, the camel that scratches its own, whatever that idiom is. I don't know what that's saying. The thing scratching the, what's the thing where it informs itself?

A hump. The camel that scratches its own hump. No, why are you describing a camel and not talking about its defining feature, the hump? A camel. I don't know why that came to my head. My brain. You say camel, I think hump straight away.

I mean, what else? I don't know how many humps. I'm not thinking about its legs. No. Its little eyes with the very long eyelashes. We're not thinking about that. You say camel, I think hump. He's spitting between that gap in his teeth.

Yeah, that's right. By the way, Blood Bowl 3 comes out later this year. Are you excited? Well, I wouldn't say excited. I suppose it would be like saying I feel like it's a game you love to hate. It is. In the sense that let's say

I've done three tours of duty in NAMM and I'm flying out for my fourth. I'm not excited. I just know it's a game you love to hate it is in the sense that let's say i've done three tours of duty in nam and i'm flying out for my fourth right i'm not excited i just know it's coming and i'm not gonna be able to say no it's just a big shit sandwich and we all gotta take a bite exactly right right gotcha exactly right nice you watched full metal jacket recently i did actually it was on uh it was on netflix i think and i was like, oh, shit, I haven't seen this in years. And I watched it. What a fucking movie. It's so good. I love the, I like the first half more with the drill sergeant and stuff. But the whole movie is great.

It is great. But yes, all the bits with Ali Ermi are so iconic. But I do love the people he bumps into out there. I think he obviously, one of the big things that Kubrick tried to do with Dr. Strangelove as well, was to point out the inherent insanity of any armed forces, but especially the American armed forces, which are so all powerful. But they have these guys in charge that just seem to be out of their minds. They're just these crazy guys who are just uh absolutely are 100 embedded

in the army this is all they know this is all they could have ever done or been and that you know and then they're in this war and they're fucking loving it yeah it's quite interesting they were just they prepared their whole lives for that one moment yeah and then the war ends and they have to rotate back to the real world. Man, how do they? I mean, they're just career soldiers. I think the guys that have been drafted turn out to be very, very, very good at killing people. That's the harder adjustment. I think if you're a professional soldier

who's trained for this, wants to be a soldier, and presumably, therefore, wants to be in combat, it's an easy, I'm sure there's an awful lot of trauma, but it's an easier adaption than the guys who came back from NAMM who didn't want to there no yeah who were forced to go there and fight and were fucking terrified every minute of the day yeah i guess that's a much harder adjustment particularly a brutal war as well like they just oh god yeah a lot of the time these talking about war i mean this is where war games come from right it? Even like, you know, Julius Caesar and, you know,

the Romans were kind of doing war games, right? Brutus, this dwarven ship is overpowered us. Paint my ships, peasant. I will not play the game without painted ships. Fifteen sisters will get you

a new ship that's even better than the old one. I will not spend a single dinar on this. Gamers, workshoppers are after naught but money. I mean, Warhammer obviously make a lot of different games, but I think it is supposed to be this epic miniature simulation, rather like a train set, you know, rather like a kind of historical thing. And I think that's partly where

it came from um and and there's still a lot of these games out there where they you do feel like this it's this grand grand thing but but as a result it kind of it just becomes not there's nothing there's a lack of strategy there's a lack of things that we're used to in games we're used to making decisions and i think this I think Warhammer is bloated and it's got these big ugly swings because you get to do your whole turn before they do. Sometimes twice.

Sometimes you're sat there, your opponent's sat there for half an hour before they get to respond, which is kind of astonishing. Fun, fun. What fun? In the modern world, right? But when I come to people,

I try and talk about this or i try to suggest an alternative game you know that we could play i get these looks and these comments as if i've you know done i've just taken a big shit on like is this you talking about ben behind his back no not ben like like but but generally though with people like i don't know like maybe i need to find new friends um it is it is interesting like the people are so protective i think mostly on the internet you know because they love their game and the game that they've spent a long time learning and they want to see that game continue and be changed and be updated in the same way that it's an odd thing because you're you're basically investing not only a lot of time in a game but also a lot of money in a game and i think that also um adds to these the the weird like skew

of views of the game right because you're so deep at that point you're like you can't admit to yourself that you've just been supporting something that you don't like or that you think is wrong or whatever this is it so you're right so this is i know why this i'm feeling like this all this week it's because i just played that uh voxel tycoon that came out on let me guess let me guess you bought like uh you had a bad game and you went and bought like 25 packs of magic the gathering cards and then you're just like oh lion they're surrounded by magic why did i spend that money on this game that i probably don't even want to play now i'm so i probably when i was a kid played and still did did play a lot of games

that i have a very rosy nostalgic view of like obviously some of them are i still think are fantastic games like here is my magic 2 and and um uh alexcom games stuff like this you know stuff that and colonization some of the old civ games you know and people might think now when they look at them are unplayable or terrible games and so voxel tycoon came out and it's basically open transport tycoon deluxe which is the classic sid meyer's game but they've also built in factorio a little bit in there so you can sort of build you can you can ship your iron ore to a little warehouse and then you can conveyor belt it out of the warehouse into a smeltery smelt it into iron and take that to a some some shop that sells an iron mongery stuff and you could do it with trains and it's got signals and it's got trucks and it's got copy and duplicate and it's got all the same controls as open tgd yeah it's basically

they've clearly copied open tgd and made it that's fine though it's an old ass game that um is we desperately need a new version of it desperately but with the core mechanics and then just some extra bells and whistles i who can complain about that i know and what they've done is they've also done a bit on it where they've actually made it into a game because in open tgd you set up one coal route and you're the richest guy in the land you know you get so much money that you i'm gonna play open tgd right now it's such a good game fuck it's so good but it's um but voxel tycoon has obviously been tweaked yeah get that flax play that instead it sounds good so is voxel tycoon a more modern

take on open ttd yeah that's what lewis has been saying this whole time but i wasn't listening i'm a bit worried it's gonna it's gonna kind of sorry it's all right you zone out too you fuck sorry what'd you say i'm a bit open i saw i've played it for like a few hours and the controls because it's early access the controls are quite fiddly even for someone who is a very experienced open ttg player gamer yeah pro gamer fucking still has fresh cheeto dust on his fingertips right now as he speaks laughing mountain dew breath laughing at all those console peasants yeah but yeah i just filled a sock with shit uh jesus um i do still wonder if anybody ever did that they must have there's quite a few frustrating things about the game which took me like a couple of failed

playthroughs to learn like i spent the first i had to restart i think three times because something screwed me every time like one was that i ran out of money quite quickly and i got so little from the roots that i couldn't dig myself out of the hole the second time i built my whole thing and then i realized that um my trucks were all just blocking up all the roads so i had to kind of actually try and build a proper infrastructure with trucks and all use trains instead and then the third time i reached out because i realized you can build multiple um like if you if there's a wood i thought i could just build one sawmill on the wood but no you could build like six sawmills like all over that

wood oh that's great that sounds really fun i gotta i gotta play i've been playing um satisfactory after the last time we talked about games like that have you i was like man i gotta check out satisfactory because this new update just came out and everything have you reached the new update no i haven't i'm on tier five and six so i'm i'm just at uh oil and fuel uh generators and all that kind of stuff which is uh invite me which is invite me to your stream. Invite me to your game. I want to come see it. I want to come help out.

Just watch the stream. I don't want anybody in there. I'm not a viewer. I got system. I just said, I'm not a gamer. First of all, he said he's,

he's not a classic gamer, but now he's obviously is. He's just an elitist gamer. He's just going to come in. He's going to go off the grid and stuff. I've worked really hard at keeping everything on a grid. I'm a classic gamer. The man's just said he needs some new friends. He's sick of his existing friends.

Oh, my God, yeah. Those are the ones to watch for. He's crying out for help. He's going to be your best friend. Do you think I'm going to come in and say, this is a mess, Sips. This doesn't work. No. Do you think I'm going to pick you up?

Even worse, I think you're going to come in, you're not going're not gonna say a word and you're just gonna start building shit all over the place i think that's even worse imaginary satisfactory land dude don't put it there i figured out a way to get 110 efficiency on this i just have to place all these uh miners are not on the grid and i'm gonna create some spaghetti here and uh no i don't want any of that lewis all right no fair enough i wouldn't want someone coming in and messing up my my stuff either yeah yeah i got layers though like i'm thinking vertically like i have oh yeah i have like a like a a raw resource distribution layer and then uh kind of like 10 10 foundations i would like to just give you a warning about that because the lag lag gets pretty bad if you have too many buildings in one place and so i at a certain point if you're not

careful it will become unplayable yeah no, no, I've started creating satellites. You've reached that. And I'm using hyper tubes to connect them all up. Man, it is very satisfactory. It is the whole thing. When you get to that point where you're just like, look at everything I built. And you're going between sites. And as you're approaching the first site, you're like, holy shit, this is awesome.

It renders in from far away and everything. it's so big and the scale's really great you know you feel dwarfed by your gigantic machines yeah space elevator it is really nice yeah i'm surprised so tier five is like you've still got you've still got some serious work to do oh i know yeah i haven't even started making computers yet so that's like yeah you basically have to pull together these huge amounts of material from disparate places yeah which is you need trains really pretty pretty like it's pretty pronto yeah i'm so i should yeah i want to tell you guys i i refunded uh i think three games in the last couple of weeks right did you okay yeah so i refunded uh a game called icbm because i i quite like the game defcon but i wanted a slightly more complicated one so i looked an icbm and i everyone

was like this is great this is absolutely fantastic it absolutely fills the void that you know it's like defcon but better so i was like all right so i got it i played it for 10 minutes i was like it's fucking sucks this sucks so bad refunded it straight away wasteland 3 which was a game that my chat recommended to me yeah because i'd finished xcom they're like you'll love you'll love it period you've got to get it fucking oh it's an acquired taste there it is an acquired taste it is definitely i i liked i liked wasteland 2 and i i couldn't get into wasteland 3 it was just too there was something missing about the tone of it it was all just a bit there was something oh it just didn't feel right it

didn't feel good it was just it felt like it was boring and everyone gave it 10 minutes listen when i was five minutes into slay the spire ftl dota all of those games i was like this is fucking great you can tell pretty quickly that you're going to like a game. And sometimes you go, it's good, and then I hit a wall, and it just kind of goes to bit, and the mid game's not good or whatever. The moment I fired up Stellaris, the first time when Stellaris first came out, I was like, this is fucking great. And I was hooked.

And it's the same with a whole bunch of other games. So it's not that I didn't give it a chance. It's just that I knew instantly. Like, even on the character creation screen, I was like, this is fucking ugly. And this cost a lot of fucking money. I mean, it's fair enough. Any of these characters. I'm like that with certain games too.

I've tried to play No Man's Sky three separate times. And I cannot bring myself to like that game. It's not even based on the bad release or anything like that. I can't stand the way that it looks like. I just hate the I hate that the space station is just a big triangle in space. And you know what I mean? Like I like I said, I was saying this to chat the other day when I was streaming. I was like, if I'm playing a game in space, I want like I want the stuff to look like it's from like eve or like uh from starcraft you know

like i like that industrial sort of you know like pipes and it looks like something that fuel tanks and shit everywhere like that that's the those are the aesthetics that i want and they're important as well like i can't just play a game that looks like artsy fartsy futuristic you know what i mean like depending like some some people could probably pull it off but i don't feel like no man's sky does pull it off and it just feels like this the all of the planets that you go to have this like hue of like the color of baby shit like it's just we are throwing out some really hot takes today on stuff where we and i think so many people even in this very discord channel chat what we have right now

have have got disagreements but that's okay right if everybody was the same it would be so boring right like exactly it's our job to have opinions yeah often completely clueless ones but by god you know you've you're all out there listening to this have some fucking shitty opinions of your own. And also, do you know what? Like, you've probably already played basically No Man's Sky and Wasteland 3 in a hundred other games. Yeah, sure. Because there's so much overlap, right? Yeah.

And if you just start feeling it right now, then you're not going to feel it, are you? You know, it's the thing. If you don't like the book you're reading, just pick another fucking book up. Like, just, who cares? Like, no one's going to blame you know it's the it's the it's the thing if you don't like the book you're reading just pick another fucking book up like just who cares like no one's gonna blame you for it throw it in the fire who fucking cares i love uh satisfactory but the first time i ever played satisfactory i didn't like it i i really didn't like it like uh the first time i played it i just thought it felt really cumbersome the buildings were too big like i just you know i think i was

just used to factorio where you just had that sort of started which biome have you started in uh this time i mean i've played it i've played hundreds of hours previously uh but this time i started in the uh desert like not not like the not this not not like the really hard desert but like the the other desert that has tons of pure nodes in it. Yeah, it's a huge area to like, oh, not the sandy one, not the big, not the sandy desert. No, top right is kind of like the, it looks like. The sand dunes. Like a barren wasteland, right?

Yeah, it's just sand dunes and big, like long bits. It's basically just huge, fast areas of open land for you to build in which is very helpful if you start if you start anywhere near the middle it's just valleys and trees and heights and it's it basically fucking yeah but that doesn't matter though because i'm building in the sky basically like uh my my whole factory is floating above everything because i just find it easier to snap everything to the grid rather than mess around with like different heights it's awesome though it looks great and now they have all these extra things like the snap everything to the grid rather than mess around with like different heights and shit like that it's awesome though it looks great and now they have all these extra things like the pillars that you can build and everything to make it look like it's not floating i haven't done it yet but

you know i'll get there yeah it's on the list of things to do you could make it look well it depends what you want to do doesn't it i think if you want to make it look beautiful that's um that's that's it feels like when you're playing games like Diablo and Path of Exile or some of these – or Dota. You're just constantly rushing to do the next thing. And it's constantly this – you don't have time to think about how your character looks often. You don't really care. You don't have a long time to tweak your – you know if the if you spend like two hours decorating your factory it feels like it feels like the idea of dedicating that time is is a waste of time you

know for some types of player but some people only do that some people are like well you know i have to make this look good because it'll pay me back in the long run because i'm gonna have to look at this thing a lot you know so when you look at city skylines there's a game where i try to do it very functionally how can i like blam down this big industrial area and just get the roads right and everything so i'm thinking of it more sort of as a as a procedure whereas when you look at some people's cities and city skies they're beautifully designed like they've really got an eye for the aesthetic and the layout and stuff and it obviously really appeals i think that's a good a good thing in games i see you're familiar with sipsville in san francisco nice thank you very much just a beautiful clover leaf pattern but actually in reality to live there is just awful because

there's no it's not enough facilities everything's too far away the traffic is terrible you know there's this one roundabout that said to the everyone has to go around just like i love i love tackling the traffic problems in in skyline well skylines is a game about uh traffic problems that the whole game is basically a traffic problem simulator but there are quite a few mods that you can get that make it more sensible yeah because the the default traffic ai is kind of like if you if you design stuff where you think this will make sense the ai just ignores the sense yeah and just gets itself into a mess so there are quite a few good mods out there and you can do things like all right listen if you're turning right you stay out of this lane

yes you have to be in this lane and that that clears so many problems yeah that's the thing the uh there's no there's no sort of like uh traffic uh rule sets in the game by default so yeah you're trying to plan a city that looks like a real city but when you consider a real city will have lots of uh little um details in in how traffic can flow and stuff right you know like one ways and i mean you could do one ways but like you know no no right turns and stuff, right? You know, like one ways. I mean, you could do one ways, but like, you know, no right turns and stuff like that really does help with the flow. But there's no way in the base game to do any of that. Right.

But I'm spending way more time on that than I am on making it look good. Yeah, who cares? If you're having fun, it doesn't matter. Yeah. I just think it's funny that you can play it both ways. Yeah, no, I think it's great that you can play both ways. Well, there is beauty in, like, function to some degree. Like, you know, like the Factorio, you know,

sure, you have to build these factories that are very specific and require things to, like, it's like building a circuit board. You know, a circuit board can be beautiful, you know, when you see all the things ordered and organized and the lines and the groups and everything kind of in this pattern right but it's it's definitely the optimal pattern is not necessarily going to be something that's symmetrical or shapes in it that that are like in nature right necessarily people like to see evidence of someone's industry, like of their work.

Like, you know, when someone says, I spent a thousand hours making this giant ball of rubber bands or something. Like, you know, people take a satisfaction in, like when someone in Minecraft shows off, I made the entirety of Westeros in Minecraft to scale or whatever. And then they, you know, you think, God, that must have taken weeks and weeks and weeks. People look at it that's incredible i look at it and think what the fuck are you doing like find something else to do surely but that's that's their enjoyment that's their i think they get a

lot of fun out there i like going back to what you said about going to to dorset and like seeing nature and how beautiful that is often that is not that's very random the trees and and the sort of hills and and the sort of way the world is generated i almost said the biome that we live in is uh it can be very beautiful yeah and you're not a gamer come on oh shit uh so no i'll be going back to this planned london with its hard edges and it's kind of squared off sort of systems or an american like grid city plonked down well sure the cities are in evolution i mean london's been around a long time you know like and and architecture like uh planning all that stuff goes through different phases and uh and trends right like now now

there's a lot more emphasis on creating like more open green spaces and stuff but when your canvas is just this like bleak concrete jungle it's it's hard to find those spaces and create them but i mean you'll find in a couple of years that that some of that will get reclaimed and and it'll look better and as as like planning and stuff becomes more and more like modern and that way leaning, it'll change the city. But, you know, you're still in a lot of cases, you're just stuck with what's been there for a long ass time. And just, I mean, London is beautiful.

The change, the nature of how the architecture changes from one place to another. And you can see the history in a lot of it. And you'll have a really old the history in a lot of it. And you'll have a really old building next to a really new building. And I think that duality is beautiful. But also, to be fair, London has an awful lot of green spaces. Yeah, it does.

Well, if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think it really is though. Like, isn't that strange how things that can be so different can be like in a sense, you know, still considered like an array of a very standard array. You know, I've seen like these geometrical patterns that look very, you know, as artwork on walls, you know, that look very beautiful. And I've seen things that look like these modern art, which are just so random splodges of paint that, you know, you could think, oh, that looks beautiful. Isn't it strange how we can see beauty in all sorts of different shapes and things, you know, from entirely random to, you know, chaotic to entirely organized? Yes. But in a sense, like, even the overlap works.

Like, it's strange. And yet that was a very forceful hmm yeah it didn't it was almost like a word not not just a sound it was too yeah my brain was overloading a bit there anyway it's uh it's very good to to talk to you guys and keep up with all of what you're what you're doing another really quick one though guys if you're looking for like just some good good fun i played rocket league this week uh with some friends and i and i streamed it a bit yesterday with some people and um man for for just like throw away five minutes of fun or whatever is actually really really exciting and good fun i'm so bad at it oh me too but it's like the matchmaking is actually kind of decent at putting you against people who are equally bad so like i think it's free to play now as well it is yeah rocket league if you've never

played it if you're interested it's it's worth a look because it's got this kind of very visceral yeah hitting of the ball it's very satisfying if you do score. Oh, also very quickly, I went to the pub last night. Oh, nice. Oh, did you? Yeah, it was great. But because lockdown's been quite tough, I think it's been tough on parents of young children as well,

especially when the schools were out. There weren't many stories about how much we'd been drinking. We were sharing stories about occasions when we had not been drinking because everyone had been drinking and so stressed out that there was the, the, instead of, you know, normally meet up,

you tell the stories of some debauched weekend, but instead it was stories of, of, of tolerance and moderacy. And so that, I thought that was quite, quite funny. Obviously that's how,

you know, people are stressed that they're like, do you know what? Last weekend, I didn't have a drip, a drop of wine or both days. Everyone's like, wow, that's unbelievable. know people are stressed that they're like do you know what last weekend i didn't have a drip a drop of wine both days everyone's like wow that's unbelievable and i was like this is normally the way these stories go normally people talk about their crazy weekends yeah that's lockdown sure do you think like the the pubs need to change to like

accommodate people's new you know new normal instead of being at the pub they've been at home in their pajamas eating cheese on toast and you know do you reckon pub Instead of being at the pub, they've been at home in their pajamas, eating cheese on toast. And, you know, do you reckon pubs need to start catering for that? Well, so we all just turn up in our PJs and it's a cozier experience. Yeah, trying to replicate the home experience. Get like, you know. No, I don't think they do. I think you want a break from the home experience. I think as much as we're used to this new normal or whatever i think once things kind of get back um to as they were people will uh quickly remember you know how things were and just adapt again yeah i will say

though a lot of businesses have started doing uh takeaway only and they don't even have a shop yeah they'll have like a warehouse on an industrial estate yeah and you just order it and it's delivered or you can go there and pick it up. But it's just a warehouse. I talked about this before. I think it's a really good idea. A while ago. I expected it to happen more. But yeah, I'm definitely noticing it more. People love a takeaway these days, like a delivery and stuff.

I mean, I don't know how many deliveries we've had. It's exploded. I can't believe. I mean, I can believe how big it's gotten. how how big it's gotten but it just the absolute like um the the shift in in what people how people order meals now and stuff and it's crazy it's kind of just it's kind of just forced people to bring themselves up to date with the latest sort of systems you know and so i went and got like a rice bowl yesterday and you know there used to be this kind of dingy kind of cafe where you'd order and they're

from a person and now the door's even shut and they've just got a little table outside and an ipad on it when you just put your order in you have to beep your card on the ipad and then they'll they'll just hang it out the window in like sort of five minutes i don't know i think the thing with the completely different a store at least like i don't know but i don't know. I think the thing with a store, at least, like, I don't know how I feel about buying prepared food from a back alley with a closed door and an iPad on a table. You know what I mean? Like, I want to see. Let me tell you something. I am for it for the simple reason that, and anybody listening to this that works in a customer-facing job, the less time you have to spend facing the customers, the better.

You can just get on with making the stuff and selling it. You don't have any people coming in and going i was here last week and yeah i don't know i think i think if it goes that way too far we we'll we'll lose a lot right like i i think yeah we'll lose a lot of misery no no come on like that's a it's such a narrow view of the whole thing like you worked retail, right? I worked retail, but there's definitely places that do it better than others and where the people genuinely do seem to be happy to speak to people and be in front of people and they're cooking food and stuff and whatever. The Apple store where they train robots to act like human beings. Yeah.

I say down with customer facing. Give me the shit right now i'll leave you you leave me no sales no chat no nothing i just buy the stuff and i get home okay but okay i like to go to there's a there's a deli in the market where i live uh that i like to go to and it's what it's like uh it's like a kind of it feels like like uh like an old school kind of like italian place you know it's got the um it's got all these like olives in a bowl and like eggs in a bowl and it's all you can see it right it's all behind glass and all the guys are back there and there's there's there's like hot food too they make like pasta and they make pizza and everything

and they're all super chatty like the the same people go in every day to get stuff and and everything like if if that was just reduced to an ipad on a table and a closed door and like one guy i feel like you know i mean that's like i'd be missing out on like five minutes of just like yeah hey how's it going like uh can i have a pizza please like i like all that. I don't know. Those are not the highlights of my week, though. Interactions with people, with strangers. They're little things that just add to your week and make it like a little bit better, right? Like, it's, I think if you remove all of that, I think we're going to be miserable.

I think we're already heading towards, like, utter misery. And then just losing those small interactions, which you don't really place a lot of emphasis on. But actually, they are good for you. Is a shitty road to go down, in my opinion. Yeah, maybe. I don't know whether it helps the other person, though. If you're working retail, you know, those little interactions probably grind you down in the in the way that you you you don't experience as a customer you know maybe i feel retail would be different if

you had some more like more ownership over it though i think i think you might be right though like those old old folks who come into the bakery and you know that's the only social contact they get at all is just saying to the, you know, how's it going? Have you got, how are the cops doing? Have you got any, have you got any pastries today? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like that's the only interaction, you know, Doris gets every week.

And so we need to help Doris. The guy that works there might also be your neighbor or like a part of your community or their kids might go to the same school as you or whatever. Like there's, you know, there's probably some commonality there that you could you know just have a quick chat with somebody and just feel like okay well at least i've spoken to somebody and i haven't just like poured over an ipad uh 24 hours a day and ordered food from a robot a drone delivered it and here is your food like great you know like how are you doing how's that it is okay so have you uh what do you think what do you think that beat the beauty of a circuit board

i love the beauty of a circuit board the ordered nature of it it makes my my uh trying to think of another electronic component I was trying to think of another electronic component. It's all circuit board based metaphor in the robot world. I suppose. I couldn't think of anything else that would have been in that. I'm thinking servo. Hey, the other day, the weather was super nice over here. My brain isn't on today.

Just before we go quickly, I just want to say I went to pick up my kids from school the other day and the weather was glorious and I was wearing my shorts as usual. And one of the teachers commented and said, god you're a genius what a great day to wear your shorts and i was like oh yeah like i wear them every day like throughout the year but because the weather was finally nice and suitable for sure are you trying to get yourself a fucking nickname or something mr shorts they're just gonna call you short mr shorts it's here again with the stupid fucking little that's how you get if that's how you get a nickname yeah that's all right thanks everyone for listening uh that's us today from from shorts fucking salty yeah i don't know whether that's you or me, P-Flex. Mr. Computer Deliveries Man. I'll take it. And Gamer. Gamer. Gamer.

A self-loathing gamer. That's us. We'll see you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.