Triforce! - Triforce! #178: All Paint and No Play makes Bobby a Dull Boy

Episode Date: May 26, 2021

Triforce! Episode 178! We're uncovering the secrets of Bob Ross' past, enriching our lives with gardening and correcting some errors in previous episodes! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hickaxe Who's there with me today? I thought you were saying, oh, like a little viewer just hoved into view. Oh, hello, little viewer, little listener. Look how cute you are. Oh, look, I'm muscing up your hair. Oh, you little rapscallion. You little run. I did that as a kid when someone would muss up my hair. I was very particular about my hair.

I don't have, I've never had curly hair, so it wasn't really very muss-up-able. It just felt a bit weird. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a fan gotta say felt intrusive yeah it's belittling yeah i mean i guess that's the point of it yeah uh oh my god welcome back um into the 20th of may we're recording this i've got my jab booked at the weekend hey nice first first Yeah, get your 5G upgrade.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get my- I need to do with connecting to some of the Wi-Fi. Incidentally, a friend of mine has had a magnet implanted in his finger. For what reasons? No, his ring finger. In order to detect magnetic fields. What do you mean? So when he did- It sort of pulls towards something if there's a magnetic field.

He just got tired of having to like scoop up his change off the counter. He just passes his hand over. He just passes his hand magneto style and just fucking gets it. So wait, wait. So this little magnet, if he feels it tugging, it means there's magnetism around because it's being pulled towards something. Is that, how else does it work yeah it's it's quite like a common thing apparently where you implant like a tiny neodymium magnet and you can do some some youtubers have done it like um

i see cody's lab who's this guy on youtube who is just a crazy asshole who does i've watched he looks like duncan he looks like just a regular nerd. Like Duncan's hairier, crazier brother, I would say. And he really comes across as just this nice, innocent, nerdy guy. But he has like an iron mine or something, a tin mine. He goes mining. He's got like, he just does chemistry experiments. Well, not experiments.

He does chemistry, I guess, in his garage. And yeah, so a few YouTubers have talked about it. And I don't know if it's all that strong. I don't think you can like, I think you can probably pick up a paperclip. I have a few questions. Number one, what are you going gonna do if you detect a magnetic field what's the plan do you run is it dangerous in some way is it like what's the deal with uh why do you need to know that would be part part one part two is it to detect if something is ferrous

so you come across a metal and someone says gosh i wish i knew if this metal was ferrous you can pass your hand it is like what's it for what is it it's a party trick it's an icebreaker at parties by the way did you know that that's ferrous a great party wow holy crap you're interesting this guy's the life and soul I think it is a party trick though I think you can you could sort of do the thing like you can lift up a paper clip and and on the end of your finger, people are like, what the fuck? How's he doing that?

And how often is that going to be... How many times are you going to be able to do that and have people go, wow, that's so cool? Once with each new group of friends. Yeah, you're going to have to make a lot of friends. Maybe it drives you to make new friends because your old ones will be sick to death of your fucking magnetic finger trick.

You have to keep making new friends. Oh, God, look at Lewis of your fucking magnetic finger trick you have to keep making new friends oh god look at lewis with his old you get so sick of it after a while the first time you'd be like wow and then after a while you'd be like neo doomy one get out of here wow that's dope so i don't know like there's a lot of these weird ideas out there i think the idea really was that it was this um for the future stuff it was like some it was almost like a rfi it's like your cat's chipped so when you when you find a missing cat you can just scan it and it's like it tells you oh this is agnes from 33 you know will bottom lane or whatever you know just take her home um but uh i didn't really god i was just accidentally subconsciously recalling your your address i forgot your i forgot your dog was called aggie imagine you had a imagine you had

like a double or or dare i say a triple situation there because you know like well i'm sure this is the same the world round but like in the uk for example there's lots of like duplicated names of places and stuff you know and like what if you lived on uh willow bottom lane and i also lived on on willow bottom lane but like in a different like part of the uk and then uh lewis doing that docks both of us at the same time shocking oh my fucking god shocking well that happened unintentional double double in new zealand my i booked um a place to stay in new zealand and um drove to it and i drove to the wrong fucking tower heights or tower road and it was the other one was like

100 miles away yeah was it one of those situations where you got the first one what was the wrong one but it was super nice and then it soured your experience at the other one because it wasn't as nice you got there and you're like oh shit i wish that the the clerical error would have gone through and i could have stayed at that other place which looked a lot better but i'm sure i've told the story before but it we got there it's late it was already like 11 p.m right and so and it was sort of dark but we could but it sort of still vaguely matched the photos because it was on this really steep hill um you know we turned direct to like right or whatever we turned the right directions to get there we went into the

place it was like you know and then we sort of got there and this house was like deserted obviously so we thought perfect you know it's there's no one living here it must be must be like the airbnb rented house you know so we looked around for the key which is supposed to be in this box but there was only like a there's a box there on the house but there's a fuse box once we opened it and so then we realized we were just we must be at the wrong it took a while for us to believe that we were at the wrong house because so many of the things had confirmed that it was okay along the road you know because we've only got like a paragraph description it's like go up the hill turn right turn left get to the house it's number 13 or whatever we did all that just fine and so it

it took a while for us to think for someone to come to try and get jump make that logical jump of are we actually at the wrong hill road or whatever right i mean it's funny that stuff doesn't really happen much these days with uh google maps and everything like that no like i know it used to be a little pin yeah it used to be so hard if you go away somewhere and you were staying out in the country or something. It was like, to get to the property, you must follow the following 20-step elaborate directions. It was all printed out.

You used to have to do this where it'd be like, take the left off the A15. Now you must look for a very narrow right turn. And you think, well, which... And if you get lost, you have to retrace the whole thing like you have no idea where you are and it was uh it was it was a fucking nightmare sometimes finding places it was i mean then again like now nowadays i don't know why they didn't have like some sort of postcode system like we do in the uk because nowadays you just whack a postcode in and i was so i'm so fucking lazy with it as well like you know yesterday um i went to the to hat films this warehouse right they own a warehouse they rent a warehouse oh

yeah that's right they they rent a warehouse what for uh for for filming filming stuff and storing you know like all those videos of uh them like uh vaccing uh trot and stuff like that and then then covering him with like eggs or cream and shit like that they do all that there well yeah so so smithy smithy's birthday today so we recorded smithy's birthday video yesterday thanks for smithy um and the idea was to cover him in you're welcome lewis yep you're welcome have a great one thank you so they put down some paper well some plastic and a paddling pool like like they like they're preparing for a murder scene you know and then got a bucket full of a six pack of baked beans attached the bucket to a gigantic

plank of wood and then wanged that over to like a pole that would you know stop the bucket before it hit his head but it would spray all the beans down and they brought themselves you know two extra six packs of baked beans in case first one missed or whatever um and so you know it went to this they hadn't been to the warehouse since christmas either really but i was there for jingle jam we did the painting stream there and stuff and um it's just kind of a bit it's kind of a bit shit like i went to the bathroom and there was like i noticed there was like this big dead spider um like in the corner right um but not not on the floor like on the shelf so it's like

it's like basically there's like it's like a bathroom with nothing in it it's just a toilet and a sink it's like empty and a loo roll sat there on the shelf right but next to the loo roll was this giant dead spider and when i looked closely i noticed it was like surrounded by like like what looked like gravel and i was like oh but i looked close and i realized it was a hundred more dead spiders like a whole family like of different sizes though and weirdly all clustered in the same like like they'd all died in like this concentric circle around themselves so weird um and horrifying and obviously when i told smithy about it he went in there

scooped the whole lot into his hand and threw at me good god oh my god what an ass so that that made me uh that that's that's the kind of just the hat films fun though isn't it um god so yes that was that was Hatfields yesterday. It was really interesting to hang out with the guys, mess around, talk to people. I had a great day, actually. We went and went to Hobbycraft. We bought some paints and Bob Ross paints,

and we painted along with a Bob Ross video. Nice. Was it fun? Yeah, it was really fun. It was really, really fun. Because my kids and I they were showing Bob Ross on TV

in the evenings a while back and we would sit and watch him because it was very relaxing as everybody's watched Bob Ross it was very relaxing

and you could just sort of enjoy it and he's such a personable guy and by all accounts was a lovely guy we've spoken about him before and I did wonder

if you had all the oils and everything if you followed along would it look like Bob Ross's painting wonder if you had all the oils and everything would if you followed along would it look like bob ross's painting like if you if you really did it would it look even it would always resemble it for sure you're like because you're just using the the same roughly the same shapes and colors right so by watching the hat films video which is probably out now it's probably coming out today actually because it's his birthday video right so um so yeah you can buy the paint.

You can buy the Bob Ross paint set, officially. Bob Ross branded paint set, which is the stuff he uses. Apparently, his son never was never interested. His son does painting and stuff, I think, but he was never interested in the limelight. Yeah, he didn't want to carry on the legacy. He just, he's very sort of like private person and doesn't want to be on TV or anything like that but uh i watched a documentary about the bob ross sort of support

team and all of his art and it's kind of it was all like all of the art that he did on the show and all of his practice he did he did like two practices for every show as well so he had three of every one and he did like 60 or 100 shows or something. So it's like 300 paintings of his. And they were all just shoved in this sort of unit, storage unit, kind of in somewhere in the middle of middle America. You know, it looks like sort of the place where aliens come down. It looks like some Roswell shit. Right. And they had a little office off the side where they would run his little business. Right. And so they would they coordinate his paint sales and his brand and stuff and it's like a couple of very all-american

nice ladies i think in there run the whole thing and it was very mom and pop very wholesome very strange um and i'm assuming it's still similar now it must be right but they had all of the paintings because there was this huge there is this huge demand this idea that that that people love bob ross they want his paintings right yeah um so there was this documentary about yeah where are all the bob ross paintings it's on um new york times actually i've just found it again i recommend it if you're interested because it's just so interesting to like see the little behind the scenes of his his what his life i guess was like you know with the people that he knew and yeah it was always interesting to see like what the behind the

scenes is for some of these people right because you're because obviously you're presented a uh version of the of the person but sometimes that person doesn't end up being like that at all right like but i think bob ross by all accounts, was pretty much just a nice regular sort of guy, right? You know what I think is quite telling? He never got cancelled or anything. But what's quite telling is when someone is nice like that, the praise for them is effusive. You know what I mean? It's like never ending.

People saying, just the nicest dude. Like Roy Hodgson, football manager Roy Hodgson. I know you guys don't like football but he's been a football manager for like fucking 50 years or something like that he's been all over the world he's retiring this season semi-retiring

he's not retiring retiring he's saying I'm stepping back he's like 73 or something like that and he's saying I'm stepping back

and I'm just chilling but I'm not going to say I'm never going to come back because he said he hates it when people say I said I'm retiring and then two years later they come back

feels kind of sad so he's stepping back from football everybody's got a story because he said he hates it when people say, oh, that's it, I'm retiring. And then two years later, they come back. It feels kind of sad. So he's stepping back from football. Everybody's got a story about how nice Roy Hodgson is and how nice it was to work for him and everything like that. It's a shame that those people stand out so much. It makes you realize how unpleasant most people must be to work with in many of these fields, like movie stars and all the rest of it. And, you know, people, musicians and everything.

It's like, oh, the nicest dude. Oh, and they tell you this story and you think, yeah, that's nice and everything. But what are the rest of them doing? Like, they must be complete fucking assholes. If this is representative, he held a door for me. He held a door for me. You're like, this is it.

Like, come on. What are the rest of them doing that's so unpleasant? I feel like in a general sense, there's like, you know, I read a lot about people who, like musicians, actors, like I watch a lot of, you know, documentaries and read biographies and stuff like that. And to me, in a general sense, it seems like you can kind of

categorize people in two camps. You've got people who are very good at what they do, but they're not aware of like the overarching kind of like meta around what they do. You know, like they're in it just for that, the sheer passion of craft. You know what I mean like uh like like a musician is only interested in creating music like and to to that musician it doesn't even need to be um perceived as good by other people as long as it's good to them they're more than happy with it and those people always seem to be the the people that are regarded highly by their peers right it? It's like this person is really creative. They're really nice to hang out with. Our process for creating music was just like drinking a lot

or like smoking a lot of weed. And then we just create this music together and it was a really fun experience. And then the other camp is people who are super aware of like fame and all the trappings of fame and how to get ahead and what the things you need to do to get ahead and like they're much more aware of that side of it and i think that turns people

generally into monsters as well yeah that are impossible you're right you gotta climb over people to yeah yeah you that's right you have to leave a like a you know a pile of bodies behind you to get ahead in some of these industries for sure well i think those are the like you said those are the two options i think there are certainly people out there who are super famous and apparently also super nice yeah there are a lot of people who perhaps weren't let's say you're not the best at what i'm sure like of course there's going to be examples of that i'm just saying in a general sense you can kind of like you can see where that where the divide is yeah i mean like it's it's it's kind of crazy there's an element of pr there's an element of good pr i think people can

be quite clever and put on a face that people make them out to be this you know are such a super good dude when they've just done the right things when they needed to yeah but at the same time i think good we you know with with bob ross like you said sips like he was uninterested in the value of the paintings he was doing the business idea yeah he just wanted like i think he never wanted his paintings to become like a commodity he wanted to teach people how to paint he wanted them to get invested in the journey in the process he wanted to give them a chance to do the experience that quite relaxing feeling of of painting right which which he you know tried his best to open and give people not it's not cheating but it's like techniques that it's strangely interesting like how you can do something where you just dip a brush a strange shaped brush in like some brown ink mix it around with some green ink splodge it on the fucking canvas a bunch and

suddenly it looks like a load of trees and it's kind of amazing actually when you do it and you're like fuck that if i you know if i blur my eyes a little bit this actually looks good yeah like all of a sudden yeah yeah and it's like you gotta do that bit with a brush that he does where he goes and whacks it on the side of something like that yeah beat the devil out i think there's a lot to it though because and again it's one of those hobbies that is uh it's a long a long process of evolution at lots of trial and error you know like these techniques that he's using on the shows and stuff. There are things that he's just had to try and try and try and just got better at over time. But can you imagine for like every one painting that he's done that looks amazing? There's got to be hundreds of like crappy ones, right?

That where he's just like, I tried this technique on this one and it was all right. Apparently he did 10,000 paintings. No, 30 30 000 paintings in his life 30 000 and so there's at least 2 000 or no so 1 165 in cardboard boxes in the company's nondescript office oh my gosh that's crazy it's really interesting because yeah he probably but his his wasn't about looking at something and copying it it was about using brush techniques to create a not like a like a just like something that looks like a natural world because the natural world isn't always gonna be like it's

not straight lines and yeah just fixed styles you know a tree will look sometimes like it's fallen over or it will be uneven and that will be represented in the way the randomness your brush hits the canvas you know and and you know he i'm sure that you the ones that you paint aren't even if you're copying him aren't gonna look the same but they will still look it's surprisingly impressive like how how it works and i guess i felt like i hadn't really watched a bob ross episode before the whole way through i'd sort of seen yeah yeah the memes and i kind of dipped in and out yeah and i also felt like i didn't know whether people really did copy along because i felt like i identified it like quite quick um we weren't pausing it or stopping

it at any stage and he does move quite quickly and it's it's obviously made for television it's made to be done in half an hour so he does zip along to the next bit and so you're like okay i'm giving up on these mountains now but this guy but actually in a sense like that's quite good because it's like fuck it i'm not gonna worry about that i'm just gonna move on to the next bit you know so here's my question about bob ross for you guys okay i've been watching The Office recently and Andy, the character Andy, Andy the Nod Dog, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's recovering from anger management. He was a very angry guy and he went through anger management. Oh, you're up to that point, yeah. No, no, no. I'm on like season seven now. He basically, he went through all that

and now he, if something pisses him off, he sort of gets this weird look on his face because he's thinking about, you know, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, like serenity now, that kind of stuff. Yeah. You look at someone like Bob Ross, he's like, you could imagine Bob Ross

getting really angry and just like smashing easels and throwing paint at people and screaming, you know, and getting furious because you can imagine anybody getting really angry. Even the queen. I can imagine the queen getting really fucking angry. smashing easels and throwing paint at people and screaming you know and getting furious because you can imagine anybody getting really angry even the queen i can imagine the queen getting really fucking angry this is the fucking wrong latte i fucking i wanted a fucking avocado one you fucking stupid bitch throwing a crown at her and shit exactly do you think that bob ross had a really tumultuous bad time where he was like super angry and found something that makes him calm?

Yes, he did. This is true. Really? So in 1942, he dropped out of school in ninth grade, which is quite young. Yeah, that's like 14. Then he worked with his father, who was a carpenter, but then joined the army or air force, I think, and moved to Alaska, where he spent 20 years as a drill sergeant. Oh, wow. So he was yelling at new recruits in the fucking frozen north. And he was such a hard ass, apparently, that he earned the nickname Bust-Em-Up Bobby. Oh, wow.

God, can you imagine? You fucking maggot! Get the fuck out of my fucking bunkhouse yeah it seems um it seems impossible that he's the same person oh man that's crazy i didn't know that about bob ross hey so my wife watched uh she watched the joy of painting for the first time in her life recently she'd she'd she was the same as lou she'd heard of bob ross before she knew about it but she'd never actually watched an episode and all the episodes are on on bbc iplayer on on for channel 4 i guess yeah so every episode is on there if you want to go

back and watch them and uh so i was like i'll put one on like we didn't have anything to watch and i was like they're they're pretty chill like that you know they're meant to be kind of relaxing you just watch this guy paint or whatever and she was so stressed out the whole time she was like whoa he's gonna screw it up oh what's he doing no you can't do a rock like that like she's good every time but then you kind of watching um an episode with somebody like that you you kind of realize hang on a sec like you know she's kind of right in some ways you know like there's there's definitely points in an episode where you think you've gone too far, Bob, you're going to fuck it up. Like it's, you know, less is more sometimes. And he just, he always comes back to a bit that you think is done and you're just like, he is going to

fuck it up. It's going to look stupid, but it always ended up looking really good. I don't know. It's just, I think the lesson is it doesn't really matter. It's the journey of the painting It's it's the relaxation. I mean, can you imagine I've never done it? But I would love to get the oil paintings like the Bob Ross set and do a painting like you did Lewis I would love to do that. You can do it. I think it would be very relaxing How can I cost like 10 quid to get the fucking fucking paint Bob Ross paints at any art supply store? So the Boboss painting make hundreds of millions a year but you can't uh you can't expect that you're gonna produce something like

bob ross you know what i mean like you can it's like it'll be surprised it'll look similar but it'll have your own twist on it you know what i mean oh yes his techniques you know you're talking about a kung fu master here right you're just a young padawan so like he's got he's got the muscle memory for fucking happy little trees i'm good i'm a first timer exactly i think after a couple you know he's he's done he's done 10 000 you know you're you're gonna have to catch up you know you got a lot of work to you can't expect to get it first time pfx but it's a very cheap to entry you know it costs you 10 for a canvas 10 for the paint set you know there you go get your happy little clouds going i recommend it honestly it's

very it was very fun surprisingly fun to follow along and surprisingly interesting to create something with the way he does it really interesting it's uh it it's weird because recently i've been doing i i got a greenhouse and I've been doing more stuff like in my garden, but I've been getting more interested in because I've had some just minor successes, but I've never really spent a lot of time gardening or caring about plants generally. You know, like I've stopped to admire plants before, as you both well know, But like I've never grown my own stuff or anything. And this year, because we got a greenhouse, I just thought, you know, whatever. Like it'll be fun for the kids. Just plant a couple of things, see what happens and stuff. And we've been really lucky.

Like we had lots of seeds germinate and grow into stuff that we've then had to put into bigger pots because it's getting it's growing so much and getting so big and i've just been a lot more interested in sort of like gardening stuff and you know how to grow food and i've been looking into like how to be more self-sustainable and stuff through it but a big part of it uh like aside from all that is just how relaxing and nice it is you know what i mean you is just how relaxing and nice it is. You know what I mean? You're just doing something that's not necessarily at a computer.

You're doing something that's not necessarily like linked into, you know, social media or what everybody else is doing. You just it's just nice to have your own space to do your own thing and not really be hassled or bothered by it. And you learn, you know, you'll make mistakes for sure. But I feel like painting is a lot like that. I feel like making your own music is probably a lot like that. There's a lot of like little things that you can be really creative with, you know. And it's just, I think it's really good for you to have sort of a hobby like that. Totally, totally.

I feel like old folks have taken it though and as their own and made a stigma right yeah like it doesn't feel like it feels like gardening is this thing that you do when you retire yeah yeah and obviously the old folks have found that it's good it's relaxing it chills them out because otherwise the old folks get very crotchety and um this helps them you know mellow out a bit you know it's in a sense it's like things do have a stigma like fortnight you know probably teenagers don't want to play fortnight because it's for for babbies you know it's like that or minecraft you know it feels like oh it's for kids i'm not playing i'm not playing that game and as a result it gets this

kind of attachment to it and the same thing with gardening like it feels like something that isn't cool or for some reason you're not allowed to do because it's only done by old folks but then again you do need the boomer garden and a lot of us us young generation don't have our own space to to gardenry. But one thing that interests me about it as well is not only, I never set out to grow my own food. I was like not, I didn't even think of it once. I just wanted to, you know, dabble around, try to grow some plants. Really just wanted to grow some like, you know, some like basil and whatever. Like, you know, herbs for cooking

or whatever, just, just to see if I could do it sort of thing. But now I'm at the stage where like, we're, we're growing cucumbers and like peppers and tomatoes and stuff. And this stuff is all starting to grow. And not only that, lots of like little lettuces and stuff. Like basically I've been feeding Terry recently entirely from the from the greenhouse, which is nuts. Wow. Yeah. That's cool. And super good for him, too.

He's eating better than you. Yeah, yeah. But it's super interesting. Like, I've learned more about composting. And I like the whole system of, like, you harvest stuff and you eat the bits that you would normally eat. And then you cut all of the shit off that you would normally not eat and then you can just turn that back into like really good soil for next year and i fucking love that i like it's it takes like so many boxes for me like the whole recycling thing and i don't know like it's just i i feel like i i wish i'd found out about all

this stuff sooner you know like it would have Back in the composting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember doing that as a, I mean, we do still have that like in the, in, in, you know, our apartment complex,

you know, we have a compost bin. So we, the full of food waste goes into a special bag and it goes in the stinky bin. It's a classic like thing now, but I assume that's all getting composted somewhere for some, for something, for some good.

So I'm sure it's not just being shipped to india and dumped on the side of the road or whatever but yes i there is this strange like fear though that you're gonna fuck it up because i feel like every time we bought a house plant or whatever it's died and so everything's oh i don't have green fingers i don't i wouldn't be able to keep something alive actually nature is pretty tough and like it's unbelievable parts of cucumber seeds and managed to remember to water them every other day well i wouldn't be able to keep something alive actually nature is pretty tough and like it's unbelievable part some cucumber seeds and managed to remember to water them every other day well i mean they'll probably grow the other day i had a little cucumber seedling that uh when i went in in the

morning uh to take a look it was like totally flopped over and i thought ah whatever like it's it died like i guess i just didn't do it right or whatever so i propped it up and and put some water in and thought you know at least like i can make it look like it's still alive. And now it's fine. It's like grown. It's like bounce back. It's insane. It's such a satisfying feeling too, you know.

Do you wonder if all this stuff like planting things, like Sips is enjoying this stuff. I'm not saying we're in the twilight years of our life. No. We're a little older. this stuff i'm not saying we're in the twilight years of our life no we're a little older so the things that we're starting to enjoy now are things that when we were 20 we would have thought gardening of course it's not something like i mean if you get into it when you're young fair enough like yeah whatever i was not into it when i was young i was just doing other stuff and that's fair enough you know the life is is like that you know we we're conditioned a lot socially into certain things

and stuff too. There's always things that are lame. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Of course. Ever since we were, ever.

Like when I was at school, Star Wars was considered lame. Really? It just was. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like it was for nerds. What? That was how it was.

Oh, yeah. But Lewis would wedged every day for his love of Star Wars. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What school did you go to? The School of Hard Knocks, baby. It changed. Initially, it was kind of this nerdy thing, wasn't it?

And then it became very mainstream. I think nerdy stuff in general kind of did like a complete U-turn and became cool at one point, right? Like gaming culture and everything. But the Bob Ross thing, I'm sure a lot of people considered Bob Ross lame. And then it had this big renaissance, didn't it? With Twitch and everyone loving it. culture and everything thing i'm sure a lot of people considered bob ross lame and it's now it was and then it had this big renaissance didn't you know with twitch and everyone loving it and it's all very i think it's universally thought of as a good thing it's very it just seems like

it's you can't lose with bob ross right no one's no one's learning anything bad no one's getting anything it's not causing any trouble to anyone is it right like it's only helping people like like apparently like i mean unless unless more kids are drinking fucking turpentine i don't know do you know what i mean like what i can't think of anything bad that's come out of bob ross people drinking turps was a big thing in the 50s another classic up-to-date cultural reference from the triforce podcast yeah yeah we're like we're right on the right on the money another thing that i've been thinking a lot about though, because I've been doing this stuff and, and, and thinking about growing food, the, the sort of convenience of modern life, you lose, it feels like, like, you know, just looking at it kind of like whimsically

or whatever, you feel like you lose something along the way right sure you get convenience and it's sure it's great that you can order like 20 hamburgers on your phone and somebody delivers it to your house or whatever but the the you i feel like you like you you're robbed of so much along the way right like there there's so many things that you you could do that are actually kind of easy to do and really good for you physically and mentally to do around like perhaps growing your own food or why not getting into the hamburger shop getting interested in it or whatever but like the the whole sort of like um quest for convenience like it like so i feel like tons is lost along the way it's kind of sad too i think the the convenience is a good

thing if we're cutting down on stuff that's unnecessary yeah if you're just cutting down on things that are actually kind of relaxing and and nice to do anyway is that really making it more convenient i guess yeah i feel like you're you're you know for all this time that you're saving yourself for things that you don't want to do or whatever and freeing up time to do the things that you want to do you're potentially just missing out on a lot of really enjoyable stuff along the way you know what i mean like really satisfying stuff fulfilling stuff you're not replacing that saved time yeah yeah the saved time has to be replaced with something other than just watching fucking reruns of the office

exactly so it's something that that not only that makes you happy but like replenishes like your soul and stuff too right like it's and i like i'm not i just don't know like i've i mean i've spent years and years playing games and i like playing games but and i've said this before if all i all i did was play games and nothing else i would be really miserable you know what i mean like i don't think that a hundred percent that would be a dull boy that could give you all of the satisfaction you need in a life. You know what I mean? Like you have to, you definitely need a balance.

I mean, even if all Bob Ross did was paint, I don't think that can give you a complete life. If all you ever did was tend your garden, I think that would be... You've got to have a mix of things. The cornucopia of life shall be yours if you take

a first stumbling step down the hill of passion oh yeah one thing I read was I think

if only the birds in the forest who had any talent were singing the forest would be silent or something like

something to that effect it's beautiful so make it up you get the gist of it yeah uh sure yeah um but the point is that like just fucking just just try your hand at this stuff man just you might find that you quite like it and you don't have to be you don't have to have green fingers yeah i went in with the mentality like oh this is this is something my mom would be interested in this is dumb and everything and i i was really surprised i'm like uh i feel like converted like i feel like this is something i would like to spend

more time doing and it just again it's you you know you figure out how to do stuff you can there's like tons of resources for learning how to do this stuff or whatever you know there's people who've already made all the mistakes and can give you advice on it there's books like oh my god there's it's crazy you can do all of this stuff and you could probably end up saving yourself a lot of money and the time that you spend doing it doesn't feel like uh like a waste of time either because you're you're just ticking so many boxes for your your physical and your mental you know it's nuts it's really good yeah let's try your hand at creating something whether it is a song yeah yeah yeah sorry i should say not even

just gardening you know like a blog painting writing whatever just do something that's don't let other people or don't worry it won't be perfect Don't let other people Tell you Yeah Look at Lewis's Fucking Choose your own adventure book I mean that Far from perfect But he still tried Yeah

We got We got a lot of shit Oh my god So you and me Got a lot of shit For not letting Luna read that Oh my god

Luna read the book No no no Really So it was so good So there was this Complete mix of feedback Oh my god man it just goes there's no accounting for people's bad taste is there it's crazy it was great so i loved reading all

the feedback so there was it was like i'd say they were predominantly like like two camps there was the people who thought oh this is great i thought this was really cool i want to hear more and there were the people who said oh this is so funny man i'm i was i was really cool. I want to hear more. And there were the people who said, oh, this is so funny. Man, I was really just fucking with you. Like, I thought it was pretty good. I'm glad that you did it and stuff. I'm sure it was fun to do. I thought there was some nice descriptions in there. For real. Like, there were some nice descriptions. I just was in the mood for taking a piss. I hadn't really intended it to be funny, though. I did it a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I didn't do it deliberately funny. So reading all these people saying, oh, man, this was like everyone's bad D&D character,

I laughed so much. I was like, I didn't really intend to be that. It was meant to be serious. You guys are taking it serious. But I'm not put off by it. I'll carry on. Good, good. Don't let the haters get you down, brother.

You can come over and make fun of my garden if you want. Like, that's my view. You can come over and be like this fucking idiot. You don't fucking mulch like that, stupid. You're an idiot. Like, you can do that if you want. We also, when I said that bands don't make a lot of money touring or lose money on tours a lot of people Responded to that saying that was wrong. I know it's quite a bit of reading that was informed

I want to say that I think you're wrong and I'll tell you why for example Lady Gaga was bankrupt after her Monster little monster tour or whatever it was called She was if you there's an article about it the the the cost of the tour was so great that she ended up going bankrupt. She was actually $3 million in debt. Okay, yeah. But I mean, that's a little bit different because you're not, that's not somebody just going up on stage and going through their catalogs of songs and saying, we love you, Detroit and stuff.

This is somebody with like a million choreographed dancers and pyrotechnics and stuff so yeah you can see how that would but for most really big acts like that the cost of the tour is going to be very steep i think her tour was an exception because it was like unbelievably yeah elaborate bruce springsteen uh for example his tour he made a lot of money from it because they don't have all the fancy light shows and everything exactly you two when they went on tour very expensive he's just sat there on a fucking stage with a guitar right perfect like okay we need to budget the bruce springsteen tour we're gonna need uh a stool and a guitar how much is that uh was about we can we can get the stool for 25 quid two bucks yeah perfect i smell profits ronnie i can smell them from a mile away i think we got this so br Bruce made a lot of money. However, if we're talking about the top half percent of all musicians

out there going on tour, because there's a lot of bands. There are a lot of musicians that do this all the time. A lot of these bands will play very small shows. The cost of going on tour isn't going to be very great, but the amount of money that they make isn't going to be very great. And quite often with all the costs you have to pay, the know, the promoter and the venue management takes a cut, all the rest of it, it doesn't end up making a lot of money and they don't shift a huge amount of merchandise. So if you go ahead and dig into Google, I would urge anyone that said, period's just wrong. Just have a look. Cause I definitely heard, I was watching a documentary about touring and this was a while ago, very few bands,

like I think that there were very few bands that actually made money on these big grand tours because they made their money from record sales. So because record sales have gone, this was my whole point, is taking away record sales and saying, well, they make most of their money touring now. That may be true, but if you had two jobs and you lost one of your jobs, you're not going to say, well, he makes his money from this one job. It's it's like yeah but he used to make money from two jobs now he's only got one so all i'm saying is that the the amount of money that artists make from record sales and stuff

has obviously plummeted compared to its heyday there's a lot of streaming people don't buy albums the way they used to people don't buy singles the way they used to no so the amount of money that artists can make is diminished ticket prices have gone up but a lot of that is swallowed up by the venues by the ticket processing sites and all the rest of it and i think they just have to have a good account and and not be too right not not be too spendy on their tour i'm sure it costs a lot to put on these only the very big bands that's all i'm saying the smaller bands are not going to make that sure but that's always good that that has always been the case as well. You'd like, but again,

it's, it's that exposure to, you know, like the bands doing like the smaller sort of circuits. Like you, you read about any band, like, you know, like,

like grunge bands or whatever, you know, they, they would just like stay at people's houses, you know, live in a van or whatever. Like, yeah,

no, they weren't making a lot of money, but they were getting out there and they were, you know, performing music in front of people that had never seen or heard them before and hopefully picking up fans along the way. And hopefully they would buy some records. To then become a big band. So my problem is if they're not making money from the record sales, where are they making their money? Like if they're not making a lot of money from record sales,

where's the cash coming from? That's the question you've got to ask. And there is a big problem with live music venues closing because not just because of covid but before that there was a there was there is honestly look into live music and that how many venues we've lost yeah yeah um it's it's a real problem different it's it's it's different um all across the board but the way that people consume music is uh is so different to how it used to be right it's like we're still expecting things to work how they did 30 years ago when things have things have changed so much the way that people listen to music the way that they have access to music has has all changed so of course that side will change a little bit as well but yeah i think a

lot of the older bands like uh you know like the rolling stones for example they their predominant demographic or fan base are old enough now to pay big money to go see them live oh yeah because for them it's like a you know a bucket list thing like my parents went to go see them for example right so my parents were teenagers growing up listening to the rolling stones when they were still you know releasing fresh albums and stuff and like you know at their peak and um but you know they never had an opportunity to go see them when they were younger but now that they're like you know 65 years old they can go see them i hear metallica are the big like a big always a good show right right and that's like a big it's almost like going to a fucking theme park or something. I mean, they've really

got it down to a T and they wouldn't carry on doing that if it didn't have, make money for people who were involved. these are very, very big bands that have been around

a very long time. Of course, of course. I think Metallica would totally be down for having magnets implanted in their fingers, Jeremy. Well, would that not

interfere with guitar playing, Lewis? You go to Paya G and you pull in the fucking strings. There's plenty of bands out there that have been going for years that have never broken into mainstream success or anything. You know, they have like a very small following.

But maybe like surgical enhancement would give them this like kind of edge, you know, they could like do like additional, if you like cyborged up they're like their hands right you know to like play guitars better or do like the magnets could like i don't know give them some uh additional there's that robot band there's a youtube channel of a robot band have you seen them if you look for robot band on youtube this guy's built these robots and he's programmed like he's got this software so he can put a song in and they will play the song the robot drummer is super fucking hype by the way uh go go and have a look at it i can't remember the name of the channel i'll find i'll find it right now while we're talking about it press ahead i think i think that sounds right yeah it looks nuts they're like an

animal it looks like one of those old puppet shows like the wooden puppet shows that they used to have in those um strange like wooden casings in the street but just watch them play they're fucking hype nice okay i'll check i'll check it out so yeah these magnetic implants apparently it came about because this one guy had a bit of um a shard of like metal i think steel lodged in his finger and found out that he could detect magnetic fields with it and so i, I mean, magnetic fields, by that I mean like you get a magnetic field when you have like a high amperage or like voltage going through an electrical cable. So, for example, if I had a magnet in my finger and I moved it close to the AC wire

for my computer down here, I'd be able to detect that, right? Because if i got a neodymium magnet and i stuck it there right now it'd probably vibrate like and i could feel it without it having been implanted but the point is that your fingers are full like absolutely chock full of like nerve endings and if you implant a little tiny neodymium magnet in there it will apparently let you be able to sense that and And I think the reason is I don't know why. If anyone knows why you want to have that.

Why are people putting magnets in their bodies? I mean, it's not like in everyday life I need a magnetic sensor. There's a fucking Wikipedia. Though magnetic implants can be used to pick up small metal objects, the main purpose of getting an implant is in order to gain sensory perception of magnetic fields that's what after a magnet is implanted underneath the

epidermal layer of the skin nerves go around the magnet as the skin heals the magnet pushes against magnetic fields produced by electronic devices in the surrounding area pushing against the nerves and giving a sixth sense of magnetic vision some people prefer to have multiple implants and several fingers in order to get a more 3d view of the magnetic fields around them but one magnetic implant is enough to be able to feel magnetic fields this means that people with magnetic implants have sensations of running electricity motors electrocontronic circuits appliances and even wires okay when what i was saying about getting into something new and trying something new and like food for the soul and stuff i draw the line at this not this where you're getting like implants and stuff like that.

I personally would say don't bother doing that because I'm not really understanding like the point of it kind of thing. But, you know. There are long-term effects. Neodymium magnets contain a large amount of iron by volume and iron is easily corroded by common elements such as oxygen and water. Lewisis what is the human body mostly made of oh it's water lewis magnet corrosion occurs when these elements become trapped inside during the encapsulation process which can cause slow corrosive effect or the encapsulation fails i think they have them sealed in like a silicon

pack but there's a chance of we could have a baddie right here like a super villain is created he's a corroded man and he's like becomes corroded by this tiny neodymium he hates neodymium because of what it's done to him and he seems to destroy it he's very sick

he's very sick he drags himself around bits of him are always falling off help me he says I am rust man oh sorry hand me that

I dropped my tooth yes thank you wait there's my arm give that back hold still Oh, sorry. I dropped my tooth. Yes, thank you. Wait, there's my arm. Give it back. Hold still. So is this something, is this, can we expect a new bionic Lewis soon? Are you thinking of getting the implants?

You're interested in fields? This is the kind of shit you would do and you know it. Come on. I've never had a piercing or an implant or fucking i've never had a tattoo do you mean i'm as i'm as white as what about those ass cheeks those aren't yours oh yeah those aren't real come on who'd you get them from that sweet touch you know special special order you know from oh my god You know what, Lewis, that reminds me You remember your personal trainer and your fucking broken

relationship that you had with your personal trainer Do I? I have a personal trainer now, and I've started this week at a nearby gym No, thank god, because I Have you been at all inappropriate with them? I have not And we have an excellent relationship and he i have not good good and we have an

excellent relationship and he's a nice dude and we chat and he's a really cool guy yeah um so i i cannot believe like throughout this the i've had two sessions i've got another one tomorrow and it's going to go on for six weeks and i'm going to probably do another six weeks after that i decided finally to get in shape because i sit around all fucking day i'm 45 i see other men my age who are you know on the verge of a fucking heart attack and i just thought it would be a good idea for me to be in decent shape right okay sorry no sorry let me stop you there so you see other men who are even worse than you at your age and you think fuck i know i don't want to end up like

you don't see men you don't see men who are in great shape at your age and like oh man i want to be i could be that guy you know you see i don't want to who are in great shape at your age and are like, oh man, I want to be, I could be that guy. Man, I don't want to be that guy either, though. There's got to be a good in-between where you're not about to die, but you're also not just spending all your time running. That guy looks like shit. How old's he? 45?

Exactly. I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy who's like, just a gaunt from all the working out and just looks like a skeleton with it's too much like the muscles almost looks like a cyborg like i don't i don't want that i just want to be in decent shape and i want to have like good core strength and all the rest of it yeah maybe some definition and i'd like to get rid of my my dad bod a little bit tone down the gut a little bit get a six pack would be my dream right um all that kind of stuff

you know and but but without being like fucking bloated gym bloat like oh you know i don't want to be that guy and i never would be that guy so i just want to get in some decent shape you fucking threw me off there what was i talking about oh yeah personal trainer so about 10 minutes into the first session when we're cracking on yeah pops into my head the memory of lewis just saying these awful things to his personal trainer yeah and i'm thinking how how could you like how could you i just couldn't believe it i didn't understand what your motivation complicated man but you know i still do it i still make embarrassing stupid dumb jokes we all do we all do i mean if you if you make a lot of stupid

jokes which i think i'm confident in saying all three of us do that quite a lot, sometimes you're going to fuck up. That's the way it is. You're going to miss that three-pointer. You're going to score an own goal. You're going to, some other sports analogy, you're going to do that, skid off the track or whatever. But you've got to keep racing.

You've got to keep chucking and you've got to keep shooting. That's the way it goes. Well, I've got this thing now on my office computer which is a it's i saw it on reddit cool guides and it's a list of teas that you could take like a tea for every occasion and i looked down the list and i was like i feel uneasy today i'm gonna have so it said peppermint tea so i had a i had a peppermint tea and i felt i felt a bit better what's that gonna do do to shut your big yapper up? I don't know. I guess you just can't... I can't go through life stepping on...

Right, here's what you could do. I know, so sometimes the timing is crucial in a joke, right? All I'm saying is, especially if you're typing it, when you've typed it out, think of the worst response that there could be to that joke before you click send. Just imagine it. And if you think, think oh that's way too

elaborate there's no way anyone's gonna think that then send it but if you think yeah someone might take that the wrong way then maybe don't but if you want to maintain the image no i don't think that is i think the advice is the advice is know your audience or at least be vaguely confident in your in your audience you keep making your jokes man you'll find some people who will find them funny one day and then that's when you'll know you're finally home yeah you should try some of my jokes on your personal trainer yeah on your personal trainer show me hey what'd you get up to last night i fucked your mother yeah you want to do some kettlebells or something i just i mean i'm there for an hour with this personal trainer how can you make that kind of joke because if it goes

wrong it was ages. I can't stay quiet for fucking 10 minutes. I've got to talk to these people about stuff. But most of the time, I'm just fucking... Yeah, but we had a chat and I sort of gauged that, you know, I obviously, I just didn't... It was fine. You know, there were just...

It was just... You make these mistakes, don't you? I don't think most people make that mistake, though. Like, I don't know that guy well enough. You didn't know your personal trainer well enough to claim that you'd fucked his mom i'm just saying no i mean i don't even make he would have understood the joke it's okay to people i know really well like i wouldn't make that he looked like he would have got it i ran my eye over him and uh i engaged that i could tease him about having fucked his mom yeah i was wrong i was wrong it's a very common joke amongst our

group of friends so maybe just i guess that's another model of the story isn't it i've been joking about fucking people's moms since since school you know that was like it was i just do it at school i was doing it when i was playing wow i was doing it yesterday with hat films do you know i mean like i'll be doing it with everyone my whole life and i just guessed that he's never been in that circle and never experienced just. But just remember that this guy, like I always think about the situation is, could this person tell me to fuck off if I make a bad joke? Like, could they just say, fuck off, I'm not having that.

That's ridiculous. No, because he's your personal trainer, so he has to eat this shit. Who does that? Who does what? Who tells anyone to, that's like a zero to 60. No, if someone makes a joke like that, if someone that I barely knew told me that they...

Oh, so I was fucking your mum, I'd be like, fuck off. I'm not trying to stifle or fight in a part. I would never tell somebody to fuck off off the back of a joke. But what I would do is I would avoid them for the rest of my life. After that, you know what I mean? That's basically the same thing. Yeah. Well, yeah, I know.

But it's just it's less confrontational, I guess, which is the appealing part. Yeah. I mean, you guys are big in this up to make it more than it was. You know, there is that I'm not I'm not going out doing that, provoking these things. You know, it is it is a considered social joke where we've been back and forth some amount of time to the point where i you know probably i got a reaction i didn't expect but even so it was under the knowledge that you know we are similar age similar interest talking about similar things you know it's like it's not that we it wasn't out of the blue it wasn't like i just we were in a bank queue and i just turned to the guy behind me and said oh fuck your mom last night yeah i mean

that would be psychotic i mean it wasn't like that exactly it was a very poor choice of audience it was it was poor poor it was a poorly chosen decision i love how this has come back like we're actually mad at lewis again for something that we've already chewed him out for just randomly chewing him out again it's not random it literally like it occurred to me the moment i started training that was the first thing that i remembered was lewis being mean to his personal trainer and how am i guess the other how could he do it like it just made it even worse to me sorry we've got some new folks in the office as well um here we go because there's some new folks coming in and and one of the most awkward things that happened was oh no here we go this guy

introduced he's like oh hi he introduced himself to me and he he said his name and i was i sort of half i half heard it and i wasn't sure what it was. So I was like, oh, sorry, I missed your name. So he said it again and it was a really weird name. Right. Okay. And I wasn't sure, again, I wasn't sure what he, if he, what it was.

And so I didn't want to, I didn't want to say, how do you spell that? Or is that a weird name? Or like, what? Because it sounded like something, I don't want to say how do you spell that or is that a weird name or like what because it sounded like something i don't want to say it right but um it sounded like a rude word okay like like an insult almost was it was it twat no imagine someone had said to you imagine someone had said to you their name was mumfucker uh twat twat yeah uh are you like that's yeah okay cool and then like germany and then they're like that just threw me off completely off kilter at that point like i didn't know i i sort of tried to get back onto

the onto the comp onto sort of small talk you know how's it going and you know what are you certainly know have you tried any of the the oat milk in the fridge you know i don't know just a normal yeah the normal vegan uh kitchen chatter that we have in uh small talk social situations but i'm so out of practice i guess i never really for the last sort of 10 years have really met that many people in new people in awkward small talky social situations you're just out of practice you're just out of practice oh my god and here's what you should have done if you were worried about the name and you you were worried that you'd misheard let me type it into chat and you can tell me whether it sounds all right are you in general chat yeah yeah i think this is this is their name

oh my god okay how do you pronounce that how do you pronounce you see where i'm coming from This is their name. Oh, my God. Okay. How do you pronounce that? How do you pronounce? Do you see where I'm coming from? Apologies, listeners. We can't share this name with you, but if someone told me this is their name, you'd be like, your reaction would be the exact same as Lewis's.

You'd be like, one more time, please? Sorry, just one more time? Because you'd want to make sure. So what I would do is just wait until they'd left the room and then go and ask someone else or you can just look at the email list and see to you know who's on there like you can just go and look it up i went to the board that we have where everyone's got um pictures but because they've just started they don't have a picture yet right their name up there just ask someone ask someone there and say you know i just what was the name of that new person because it sounds like and they'd be like yeah that is it and you'd be like okay that's a tough one going forward well the weirdest thing

was there was a second new guy starting and his name was this which is like another really weird name i typed it into chat again and and like i wasn't sure whether that was a real name or whether that was another nickname or like because it sounds like and so that just never attempted to just hire people called like you know brian or steve dave or whatever like yeah well we've got like four or five toms already. Are these their usernames? Like, are they giving you their Twitch usernames? No, they are genuinely their real names. Yeah, totally.

Because they were smartly dressed, normal. This is a normal environment, office environment. We're just old, man. I've never heard of either of these names. I honestly. No, I've never heard of any of them. They sound like the names of like grunge rappers you know what i mean like uh yeah what is it grime grime mcs of some kind uh rather than than office

workers but yes that is that's a tough one i would just smile and then go and ask harry and say harry is that person's name really x harry go yeah mate yeah yeah totally he's lovely like i i didn't i guess i didn't hear it right but yeah did Anyway that's my experience for this week And what an experience it was Had a nice time with some spiders at a warehouse Thought about having a magnet implanted in my finger Don't do the magnet thing please Felt bad about multiple social experiences

That I had with other humans And watched Smith get Baked beans poured on him, which was absolute joy. And honestly, I couldn't have enjoyed something. I think that's the most happy I've felt in a whole year, just watching Smith get covered in beans. That was the icing on the cake for you

after this tough year and a bit, right? Overall, I'm feeling very, very positive. Got my jab at the weekend. And yeah, it's all coming up, Lewis. Oh, man. Holy crap. So, well, anyway, thanks for listening to our dumb podcast. And I guess we'll see you guys next time.

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