Triforce! - Triforce! #183: Rise of the RoboGamers

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

Triforce! Episode 183! Lewis gets trolled by Sips, Sips' son and artificial intelligence. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Triforce podcast. We're back. Kapow. Oh, it's the old Triforce trial force podcast ain't seen around these parts since last wednesday exciting news 1925. so me and sips we hung out oh yeah you've been in jersey yeah i saw the pictures i saw sips's shorts finally uh i saw a little picture of Terry. I saw Lewis is still rocking a man bun. I saw some flowers. And I think I saw trees.

I could be mistooken. Oh, there were trees. Flowers, trees. Oh, man, you name it. People commented that it was nice to see Sips from a different angle. Because I think they normally just get the webcam angle and never anything else. But it was like you could put a 3D composite together. It's a bit like when we finally got a look

at what the other side of the moon looks like. It's like, well, we pretty much knew it was going to look like that, but it's still interesting to see. It's important scientific information. It hasn't got a weird smiley face on it or anything. It's just nice to know yeah yeah so we i so i've done three covid tests this week um nice i did one before i left because i didn't want to you know infect your family sips and then i had to do one when i landed and i had

to i had to self-isolate for a day when i landed in jersey yeah while i was waiting for the test results which is a bit but i mean oh god poor people who'd had to self-isolate in a hotel room for more than a day oh man can you imagine it was rough i mean the room service menu i mean i exhausted the whole thing partly because i can't eat any of it but you know i went through the whole lot it was awful i mean hotel room service is generally bad anyway but man to be fair you don't have there's not a wide range of food that you do eat though this we we spoke about this yeah i'm picky i'm a picky boy you're picky sensitive you've excluded most food from your diet so there's not uh you know so i woke up this morning and i was like all snotty and i've got like a runny nose i've got like a

sore throat i've got like a headache and i'm like oh god but i've had this for the whole week so i've had like hay fever and stuff so it's not like a new thing i've just i'm just constantly like this so this is i'm the bubble boy you know my life is just you know teetering on the edge of mild sickness permanently um and obviously so i'm like because i've seen my dad today i was like i better have a covid test so i had another one today and i'm negative still so i mean you probably got a cold from sips' kids. Like, that's just what happens. You hang around with a child for long enough, I'd say five minutes, you will acquire a cold unless that child is familiar to you.

It's true. Yeah. So that's what's happened. I don't know whether I should go and see him, but I guess I will. I'll just keep my distance. Try not to spit on him too much. You know, the usual when you're around your parents. Just don't yell in their face, I guess. Try not to spit on them too much. You know, the usual when you're around your parents. Yeah.

Just don't yell in their face, I guess. Try not to, at least. Oh, there's another sick member of my household. My dog, Aggie, is poorly. Oh, no. It's nothing serious. She's just poorly. She's probably got kennel cough, which is very common.

They sort of cough a little bit, and she's sick quite a lot. Last night, Mrsrs f went out with her mates and i was watching the football which was fantastic by the way the germany hungary game was phenomenal and uh you were rooting for old hungary could have eliminated them it was they could have it was close it was really something so uh and the dog was occasionally being sick and every time she'd go i'd try and rush her out of the house. And she'd be like, what, what? I was like, get out.

Get out of the house. What? She was confused. Get out. Come on. Do it. But no, so she was sick. But then Mrs. F came home.

And the dog ran to the front door to greet her. I opened the front door. And the dog just went right there on the front step. And Mrs. F was like, oh, have you had a fun evening i was like yeah it's been great it's like the worst welcome home ever it was so perfectly timed man that's good well at least she's trained to puke outside no oh she was not it was not outside no no even though the open door was right there she was sick, just on the front doorstep, just as you're coming in.

She's not very well, poor dog. No, but it's, you know, at first you have sympathy for these things, but then after a while, when... Animals are very stupid. When they're going to be sick, they just think, I'm going to be sick. And they're just like, bleh, wherever they are. There's no attempt to go outside.

Because she doesn't relate it to going outside like she does for going to the toilet. She just thinks, well, I'd better be sick. better be sick you know so after like hours of cleaning up dog vomit it's uh it gets a little grating and your sympathy kind of evaporates you're just like just be sick outside for once please when you gotta go you gotta go you know yeah i have my second jab by the way so i'm now well done nice nice i still haven't had my text to say when mine is how long is it supposed to be like eight weeks five six weeks eight weeks it's eight weeks i feel like mine was about a month ago and i haven't booked the new one so maybe it depends on vaccine

but mine was eight weeks to the day and they were very happy about i've had my uh i've had my double as well nice i'm all doubled up wow you guys are safe you guys are safe well at least like you can still get like a but apparently that's the thing like this delta variant has slightly different symptoms which is why i was a bit worried this morning because yeah apparently like cough and fever aren't in the top well i don't know if they're in the top five symptoms or whatever jeremy have a look yeah do your own research i'm not your dad you're not oh well definitely not my dad but i guess technically you know you couldn't even be sips's dad you're not a dad let's put it that way you're not you're not a dad yet well you might be one day i'm is what i'm saying like you might change your mind it's never too late you

know especially for men men can men can be dads late right like you see sometimes you see those guys that are like i'm 70 and i'm a i'm a new dad. Like George Clooney and stuff like that. Yeah. How old is George Clooney, actually? The Cloon Dog? How old do you reckon the Cloon Dog is? Just have a guess. The Cloon-o-rama?

Old Cloon. Old Clooney? He is 60. Wow. There you go. I took a picture, actually, of me and Sips together, which I haven't posted yet, but we're both looking,

because we're staring, we're looking into the sun. Our faces are all screwed up. We look like wrinkly we'd probably look like your dog pflax actually or just or what covered in dog sick yeah no that's that's about it for me i'm like uh constantly well i'm gonna be covered in sick soon not dog sick necessarily but you know oh man you know what we found it's coming you you know those muslin cloths that everyone with a baby has to have like a hundred of those little white squares we found some of those recently that you know was just tucked away when we had a clear out in the

spare room because my my eldest wants her own room now so we reorganize things in there and i was like god that really takes me back like everywhere i went i'd have one over my shoulder just in case i mop up a little bit of you know just mop that up with the muslin and we're just washing them all the time it was i put on a uh a load of uh baby grows in the wash yesterday so that was uh how long is it now how long is it now um three weeks oh my god yeah it's like so soon oh it's crazy yeah i don't know what it's exciting it's exciting so i got to's crazy. Yeah. I don't know what I'm going to do. It's exciting. It's exciting. So I got to Jersey. I mean, the flight, there were like no flights out of Bristol.

I think it was like the only flight was going to Jersey. So I got there. Of course, there's no one at the airport anyway. And I can't like, I can't cook sips because I have to self-isolate. So I had to get a taxi and then finally meet up with Sips and the family. It's great to see you guys again, actually. and then finally meet up with Sips and the family. It's great to see you guys again, actually.

But as soon as we sort of meet up, Sips is like, I've got like 100 errands to run because this is in Australia and I have to get the car fixed and I have to go get this, get the, I don't know. There was just like, we just drove around the island and did like errands for the whole day. Man, that was like standard weekend though. I mean, there's just lots to do all the time. I can't help it. Yeah, it was really fun standard weekend though i mean there's just lots to do all the time i can't help it yeah it was really good and the the weather was was nice enough for us to uh catch the sun i

don't know if you got a little bit red sips but my face was like a bit bit red after we sat in the garden because of course it was cloudy so we didn't really put any sun tan cream on i think but you do have to like yeah the uv was still strong yeah i got i got burnt as well i got yeah i think it's got a little i didn't get burned but i i went brown i tanned and i came to the office and everyone was like oh you've caught the sun and i was like have i whoops i just thought i was a bit i just thought i was a bit sort of feverish but no it's actually i'd like burn the top of my head i feel like this is just the the end of days i'm slowly moving towards dadness it was the um it was the uv that got you you got to be careful they always say on the radio just because it's cloudy make sure you you lather up

make sure you slap it on there get your kids covered and stuff too and i never listen because i i feel like if the sun's not out then the lube isn't coming out either. You know? Like it's a free day. It's kind of like watering like your garden, right? It's raining. You're just like,

oh, free day. I don't have to do anything. I feel the same about sun cream. I just don't want to do it. I saw Sips' garden and I want to describe his greenhouse as a green cupboard. it's more of one of those sort of supplicates the wall and you can go to open the doors to it yeah and it's like got

shelves in there it's like a wardrobe yeah and it's got what happened was he obviously had a load of plants they grew completely out of control and then in sheer panic he bought tons of massive pots to put them out of control growing plants into yes and now it's just spilled out of the greenhouse massively and it's just pots of greed everywhere yeah it was a it's a test year it's a test year and the tests are going pretty amazing man there's a lot of stuff coming up so like i'll organize it better next year but yeah no this year was like i think with the greenhouse so like the you know it's it's small but it's all you need right it's just it's just for seedlings like there's not really gonna be

anything in there right yeah yeah it's really cool actually uh your family's all lovely and and unhappy yeah your your son is now into is is it's like he's at a buffet and he's trying a bit of everything. Yes. He's into like 20 different games and things and worlds. And I guess it's wonderful to, I don't know if you remember when you were sort of that age, like discovering, I mean, I was, I was just this thing for some reason the other day that George R.R. Martin was talking about, but it was the same for me. And he said, you know, I remember, you know,

things that happened in Lord of the Rings when I read it when i was like 10 or 11 but i don't remember what i was doing when i was 10 or 11 at all but i remember like you know iconic moments from stories and like these worlds that i sort of discovered for the first time all very new um and some of it's kind of like weird like free to play mobile games like he's into this warhammer imperial knights free to play mobile game which i don't think he's ever played because he doesn't have a phone but i assume someone at school he's got it on tablet he plays it on tablet so he's played it but the thing is we haven't heard about this game for months right it's only because you showed him miniatures and then he's like oh yeah i played a game like that now he's obsessed with it so like

it's right it comes around you know like it just uh like it's it's all the rage and then you know it's not and whatever it's just the way it goes yeah it was good he's he's he's funny as well like as well he gives some i don't know he must get it from you like he just he's making little jokes like like little sideways jokes about stuff like i don't know like you had a you've got a you put up a jersey flag yeah on your i had to take it down i took it down today actually on your house it was uh covered in bird shit just like completely covered in bird shit yeah and torn as well it was torn who's that flag and he was like the balconies i was like very good so yeah like stuff like that like even your son is now kind of trolling me a bit which is which

is i guess like father it's like the way isn't it you know yeah so it's just gonna happen to me throughout my life i'm gonna get trolled by the the sips dynasty forever that's why i created more people i want the trolling to carry on. Yeah, you want me to be teased. Teased into my grave. Exactly. So I had a lovely time in Jersey. Thank you for inviting me, Sips. Hey, no problem. It was nice. You have to get out there,

P-Flex. Sure, go visit. Yeah, come on out, Flex. Bring the fam and out we come. What are you waiting for? I might give you a few months until you've settled in with the new baby, though i don't know how you're gonna handle three like it's crazy the handling too honestly yeah um so hectic oh my god i know i know i remember a couple of times lewis was just like man how the hell do you do this like every day i was like well you just kind of get used to it but But like after like 10 minutes, he was just like crumpled up on the floor dead.

It's pretty funny. It's weird because when they get older, because I've now got a nine-year-old and a 12-year-old and the challenges become very different from the sort of more workman-like looking after little kids where it's like an awful lot of maintenance rather than now they just take themselves off and they don't want to know you anymore so my 12 year old comes home from school goes straight to her room she's talking to her friends on her phone or she's texting people or she's on youtube or whatever and then now it's things like ferrying them to various things that they have to do buying things that they need for this that and the other and all their activities have become much more complicated so it's things like my uh eldest is in a photography club

and i had to pick her up like i had to take her somewhere and then pick her up and it was like she needed to have these this list of 15 things with her for this rafting thing it was like we had to prepare everything it's like a lot of annoying little prep to go and deliver them for some club or some activity or something like that. And constant money, just money, money, money. I need money for this. I need money for that. Money, money, money. So, you know, they've got to go into town with their friends or they're going to go to the park or whatever. Can they have an ice cream and they need to get a coffee? And so it's just you know, it's just a challenge of actually a getting a word out of them and be Constantly giving them money. That's pretty much Wow, all of the things like you're playing a mobile game. You're just grinding and paying money. Yes, it really is

so interestingly, I don't know if this is actually interesting at all Called Interestingly, I don't know if this is actually interesting at all. I played a game this week called Strangeland, which is from Wadjet Eye Games, who publish point-and-clicks, retro point-and-clicks mostly, is what they publish. They published Unavowed, which is... I think they even made it, actually, which is one of my favourite games ever. It's a really good point-and-click last year.

I recommended it to you guys. I don't know if you checked it out, but it's really good. Really good story, really good point and click, really good game, really good universe, really good voice acting and writing. Just really enjoyed it. Anyway, they made a new game called Strangeland. And it's made by these three guys. A writer who's written this really kind of

odd game. This artist who almost looks like H.R. Giger stuff, like the alien guy, right? Right. Like the kind of quite horrific this artist who almost looks like um like hr geiger stuff like the alien guy right right like the um the kind of quite horrific um grizzly horror um and then a coder who's made this point and click and so it's kind of the classic team yeah that sounds about right that's like pretty standard i think um and man the story is great uh i really enjoyed it it's not super long but i just had a great experience with it nice um and so i recommend it but the guy i was what i was checking i was

checking out the steam page for the guy and he wrote this whole kind of blog post on there about how he feels about what the developer player relationship is right um and it's this really good article i don't know how you guys could find it And it's this really good article. I don't know how you guys could find it, but it's on the Steam page for Strangeland. I mean, the dev posted there. Is it all one word? Strangeland. Strangeland. Yeah, it is. It is

indeed a weird... The artwork kind of reminds me of that old point-and-click game. What was it? I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream? I think it was called something like that. Yes, something like that. Well, there was one where it started off and you had something injected into your brain.

Dark Seed. There you go, Dark Seed, which came out in 1992. Oh my God. It was a deeply, deeply strange game. It literally opens with a weird shot of you having something injected into your head. It's very strange. The main character, or I think it's who you're playing, kind of looks like Richard Pryor, I think.

It's a very odd game. Nice. But it's very Giger-y, yeah. Some robot holds open your head and injects something in, and then you have to walk around. Yeah, it's utterly strange. Yeah, well, I'll check it out because I'm really enjoying playing through these point-and-clicks, actually. I didn't find it that overly hard. You didn't have like 30 items at once and you had to use the MacGuffin on the Forguffin or, you know, you didn't have to fuck around too much with it.

That was the thing that always got me about point and clicks was how often you just like that you had six locations you could go to and like eight things you could interact with. And inevitably you'd get stuck because it was always very vague and you'd go all right well let's try and combine every single thing in our inventory with every single other thing and then we'll try using everything in our inventory on every single thing that we is interactable so it yes it literally becomes a not a point and click a dragon guess just guessing oh wait okay finally i've done that now that's open this and now i just keep doing that because they never seem to be a fail condition in most of these games it wasn't like well you've wasted your banana and now the game is over you know it always gave you another shot whereas in zork if you fucked up you fucked up that's it

well i mean the other thing is like the modern point and clicks do give you like little hints like there's a raven sort of tweeting away at you as you move around and he kind of gives you he sort of says things that are like very loose hints and then you could also there's like a phone that you can you know ring the operator and it'll give you a hint you know it's part of the game

where it sort of insults you when you do it but it's still like quite nice I mean I remember like the one of the first PC games I ever played was a Star Trek point-and-click I love yeah that was it we looked great like it for the time it really did look great and I wish I maybe I'll go back grounded and see if I can play again because I think when I played it i was about 10 or 11 and i didn't really understand that i mean i was watching um sips his son play game garage or something on oh yeah it's like a

game maker uh thing on switch so yeah so basically it's like it gives you these it's basically just a game making engine and it gives you these tutorials right where you have to just follow the tutorial to make a game but watching your son follow this like 30 minute or hour long tutorial where he was not taking any of it in he was just following the steps dragging the boxes where they needed to be yeah like it felt well when he was doing it it didn't look like he was learning anything from doing it right at all almost like it was just it was so bizarre like watching someone follow this material but not take any of it in just go through the motions of doing it and it reminded me of being that age and doing these tutorials and doing these things in these games and just not not taking anything in at all and just being hopeless yeah um so i remember

some of these games i i thought was so hard i never got like anywhere in them i never really had much like that over and over again mario paints i think it was the closest thing that we had to anything like that where you could like you know like create stuff you know games were like yeah games were really different when we were small they were just super linear right they were either stories or like arcade kind of games right where it was just like challenging and you finish them. But like creative games didn't really come about until later on, I don't think. Like Super Nintendo, at least from what I remember.

I don't remember anything like that before that. But Mario Paint was a big one because you could make music. You could make animations. You had like the mouse pad and the mouse and everything for it. There was also the music ones. Remember they had the game where it was like, was part of mario paint actually or not music was it like yeah there was music in mario yeah i think it like has because it had like barks and meows and oinks and stuff remember it had like and it had like a bass drum represented by a mushroom yeah it did

i remember this and you see it all the time right yeah well you used to where people would make like songs in Mario Paint. Yeah, I thought that was it. Same thing. Man, that was a hell of a game. It was a hell of a game. That was Nintendo at its most pure, wasn't it? It's like an art tool for Super Nintendo.

It was great, yeah. It's actually quite fiddly to make this stuff with a controller, but people love it and end up making really creative things yeah yeah so anyway relationship between developer and player i just read this article it was so well written um on strangeland i'll read you a little bit of it because i did i sort of feel like it's it's it's how i feel he says a commercial release demands a player's attention hope time and money which of these resources is most valuable depends on the player which of, hope, time, and money. Which of these resources is most valuable depends on the player.

Which of these prices is steepest depends on the game. So yeah, so basically he's saying that like, you know, despite having been burned by games that have bored you, frustrated you, disgusted you, you push past your reservations and hope and look for something engaging in strange land we are asking you to spend several hours searching for a game that fulfills that beauty and engagement and we want

you to pay us 15 for this work damn so he talks about how you know the you know it's really really it's just a great article and it talks about i just i just really recommend you you read it rather than me reading the whole thing out it kind of talks about how it's a little bit like um he feels like a lot of developers have got the wrong endless stick and they feel like they're milking the players for as much as they can get you know rather than owing the players right it's like he feels like one could engage in marketing psychoanalysis and decide that a player can be parted from their attention hope time or money by such and such advertising hook to reel them in followed by skinner box designs micro transactions and the like we think this is

a literally obscene way of viewing the player developer relationship one in which contempt and commercial interests override love and passion. Nice. Wait, this is on the Steam review page? Well, yeah, I guess so. But it's because the developers can post like patch notes. Right, right. I mean, I get that.

I get the sentiment for sure. But I don't know. Like, I feel like, I don't know. I'm not sure that I agree that that's like the place to voice all that you know what i mean like uh at the point of purchase of a product i don't know else where else you put it well i mean i think i think like if you go do like a talk at the gdc or something like that would probably be a be a better a better like platform for it no i don't know it's like for sure i don't know i mean you get that from time to time though it's an it's interesting because like especially with uh like food you'd get that right like ethical food you know like uh or ethical like cleaning products that sort of say like you know we don't believe

in testing on animals or we don't believe in destroying the environment stuff like that so i guess maybe maybe it's like a new thing maybe it'll become like a like a new thing in gaming where people are like um you know i'm i'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore yeah well we don't like this you have to use your platform to express your feelings about things you know yeah and these guys are little windy devs in there you know making their little retro point-and-click game yeah in a world where you know we've got the gaming industry is being you sound like you're really undermining them they're kind of savaged by these kind of quite nasty practices

that are going on in in the world i mean he he basically made me feel super stupid when he wrote this you know by just like you're communicating it in a way that we're just unable to do on this podcast um so the other game i played this week was the last spell did you play it yet yeah i've been playing it a little bit yeah i've been like uh i've been playing a lot of rocket league though the last spell the last the last spell i've got it on my uh wish list it's like what's it called um they are billions i mean turn based um on wish listing that it's not like they are billions at all it's like what's it called um they are billions i mean term based um it's great it's not like they are billions at all it's uh it's like x-com people say that it's like they are billions because there's hordes every night but it's not it's it's more like x-com you have

a group of like magicians and fighters and stuff like that and uh you have to survive each day and each day you survive they level up you give them better stats and stuff and then uh the next night the the wave is just harder and harder you have to build up the town build up some defenses in between and it's just um it flows really nice it's it's really good it is really good i like the way it looks i like the uh the art style looks pretty yeah it is just a just a nice nice looking game it is cool like the way it looks. I like the art style looks pretty good. Yeah, it is just a nice looking game for sure. It is cool. It feels like the way I sort of played it a lot was I spent a lot of time trying to figure out where the good combos were. You know, what worked, what didn't work, what guys comboed well together, what skills were actually worth taking.

And, you know, after a few runs you you find some things that are really powerful yeah yeah it gets really it's good it is it is actually really good like i i think um i need to play it more because it's it's weird with games right like whatever you're into at the time you're just into right so it's hard to like sort of give other games a lot of time sometimes i find but it's definitely something that i'll come back and uh and look into again because i did enjoy it it's good but i don't think it's like they are billions yeah i guess it's not other than like in the sort of idea that it's it gets yeah just loads of like waves and waves and loads of zombies and you're trying to like yeah it's like any game that has a block in it

everybody's like it's just like minecraft it's not you know it's just yeah yeah or like i was playing um tainted grail which is which is quite decent um oh yeah you told me about yeah and everybody in chat was like let's just slow the spoiler because it has cards in like that yeah that's that's what chat do right yeah i don't understand the the need to to pigeonhole every single game um it's a bit weird but i've been i've been desperately looking for a good tactical game to get my my teeth into because i do love turn-based strategy games like yeah if you like x if you like x-com i'd say it's more like x-com in that it's turn turn-based and uh you level up your lads you level up your guys

they have abilities they have uh resources so you know you know, you can't just spam the abilities. You'll run out of mana. So you have to give them potions and stuff like that. Well, I played a lot of Griftlands, which is a lot of fun. I played it when it first came out and it was a bit bare bones and I didn't really get it. But I've played it through multiple times now with a couple of characters and sort of been playing it. And it is a really fun game. I love the idea of having two decks,

like you've got your fighting deck and then... Because the combat is like, it's nowhere near as interesting to me as the actual sort of debate deck that you have, where you have this discussion, you have to convince people of something or talk someone out of something or try and bribe your way through something. And you sort of have all these arguments and counter arguments and stuff is quite good and i love the art style i think it's it's a really really nice game um and i i discovered that there is an option in the ui to just skip all the dialogue because the problem is it is there's

there's a lot of story that they throw at you um it's not particularly complicated but it's a lot of dialogue and on your third or fourth playthrough you're still having to click through the dialogue and i was like god there must be an option to fucking skip all this and of course there is uh so that saved me a lot of time um yeah and i played field of glory and field of glory medieval these are well two field of glory two and field of glory two medieval man whichdy. Okay, when you were playing these games, did people come into your chat and they're like, wow, Dota 2 looks really different.

Dude, I have a command for that. I know. Exclamation mark change. Wow, Dota 2 has had some changes since I last saw it. You patches. So people get really angry with me when I point out that this is the same fucking joke 100 other people have made it's the same thing with that stupid uh every podcast has the same three people in it all that stuff what i'm saying is this right if if you've heard a joke if you've

heard a joke about i'm good at spotting similarities and things. Or about Dota or something like that. Do you not think maybe someone's already made that joke? And I'm not saying that before you make any joke, you have to go out and scour the internet to check no one else has made it first. All I'm saying is just have a think. Maybe this has been said before. It seems so obvious.

I can't believe no one's thought of it. Maybe they have. Maybe they have. Oh, man. So please, just have a think. And I realise the irony in us who repeat ourselves. But at least we're repeating ourselves. We're not repeating.

We're not taking someone else's podcast and saying the same things. So if we repeat ourselves, that's different. But you're all collectively repeating each other's horrible, horrible jokes. Please stop. So tell me about Field of Glory 2. It's just a super nerdy turn-based game. The actual problem with it is it plays more like a tabletop ancients or medieval battle simulator.

So your units take up a square. Oddly enough, I mean, it's Slytherin, who make these kind of games on Steam if you look for them. Their games are horribly overpriced. They awful the uis are dreadful but there's no one else filling this niche there there are just no games like this out there they just don't get made i don't know why because they always sell well like i've said before nobody's done a new jagged alliance game that was any good why why jagged alliance 2 was came out like fucking nearly 20 years ago where is my new jagged

lines game that's any fucking good doesn't exist and people keep saying oh have you tried it's not the same yeah it's not the same all i'm looking for is a very simple game build up a team of lads i'm also looking for a very specific simple game as well yeah but they just yeah is it uh would it be big big and with a d Yes, that's the exact one. But I get the same thing that you're describing right now. I just don't get it. But the thing is, just play fucking Banished. It's the same pretty much.

And it's not. It comes back to what we were saying before. Just because there's a block in a game, it doesn't make it like Minecraft. Right. You know what I mean? But that's what you get all the time. I played, what's it called? Teardown, which is phenomenal. Oh, Teardown's great. it doesn't make it like minecraft like right you know what i mean but i mean i played uh um what's what's it called teardown which is phenomenal oh teardown i absolutely love that

game and uh i played it i loved it yeah and people were like everyone like it is it's just minecrafted like that's all they were saying in chat yeah yeah can you just i can understand you came here to relax but at least turn your brain on it doesn't need to do anything special but just have it on while you're here for just for a little bit just try try the brain on feature yes that comes with your body rather than brain off mouth on because that's just it's just annoying anyway so grifflans have played field of glory ultimate admiral age of sail these are these are real pflax games oh my god this is my of thing. You play more dad games than I do. I do.

I really do. I play a lot of simulators, which people poo-poo. But, like, I feel like these big war strategy games are, like, more like dad games than... They're very dad games. Dumb simulators. But, I mean, this is where I came from was tabletop wargaming. That's what I used to love. And then I can't do that anymore because i don't know anybody that plays those things and like i said previously i don't want to have to join a local club and realize that you know these

people are actually all oddballs so i the reason i bought my my my my bolt action british army arrived oh nice assemble it nice um need to need to assemble that because when i come down to bristol at least i know i've got ben and and to play games with, which is cool. I'm happy about that. But in the meantime, Ultimate Admiral Age of Sail is what I've got. It's pretty jank, but it's very cool. There's nothing quite like your ship opening up

with a broadside and just withering fire, knocking out the main mast. There are lads are panicking, the ship's on fire. It's exciting. If you can find these things that tick your boxes, that's what life's about right hell yeah brother you preach what um so so yeah i've i had i had a really good week in jersey um good and we're going back to jersey now man he just wants to talk about jersey flax leave him alone okay it's a cool place it's fun there's lots of people here it's a cool place. It's fun. There's lots of cool people here.

It's a problem. Because there's no cases or not very many cases, it's like the world is back to normal. It's so weird because everyone's going to restaurants and all the shops are open and no one's wearing masks anywhere. It's like everything has gone back in time. When I go to Jersey, it everything is just that has gone back in time i mean when i go to jersey it does feel like time has gone back about five years anyway yeah um do you know that's just because they're a little bit slow on the uptake you know like a seaside town kind of thing but it just it

just because i guess you've you've i don't know i did feel a little bit reckless it did feel a bit reckless but because all the signs are up like it says like everywhere you go it's't know i did feel a little bit reckless it did feel a bit reckless but because all the signs are up like it says like everywhere you go it's like so i'd say masks must be worn but then no one's wearing them anywhere like it's like okay so i don't know it was kind of weird um you know it still feels like hard to to do here. Everyone's taking it quite seriously and still sort of making sure to be careful and stuff. So, hmm. Taking great care. Well, yeah, it's a bigger place and there's more cases.

See, like over here, we're lucky there's not that many cases right now. So, you know, we're in a bit of a better spot. It's a small place, you know. It's just the way the the cookie crumbles sometimes yeah yeah think about it think think about a cookie and think about it crumbling and um you'll see what i mean um i am i've gone down a uh disgusting rabbit hole uh don't ask me why or how but i've been playing uh hearthstone battlegrounds for the past couple of days i know um i must you're preparing games that you can play with one hand while you're nursing exactly this is it

see the thing is now i've um gotten to the point where i hate myself enough to uh go back to hearthstone it's like the auto battler one though right so it's a bit it's not like uh like full-on rage inducing hearts and although it does have its moments but um yeah i don't know i just like i'm kind of glad that the auto battler genre hasn't like completely disappeared you know like um yeah no i think there's a new one on the dota arcade actually that's like um kind of similar but you you have to give your heroes abilities right so you don't just pick guys. You sort of level up your lads by giving them abilities.

So it's a bit like ability draft. I don't know if you guys know that in Dota. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for any listeners that don't know what ability draft is, you're given a hero, and that base hero still has the same talent tree that they do

and all the rest of it, but they have no spells. And basically, there's a bunch of spells out there, and you draft spells, not heroes. So you pick, I'll take Ogre's Stun on Ricky or whatever, or I'll take... Slots, Pounce on Lena.

Yeah, exactly. So you'll take all these things. You take all this weird shit, and mostly it's complete garbage and has no synergy at all. But sometimes... And occasionally, it's incredibly broken. Yeah, and sometimes it's so broken that they have to

change ability draft like remove it or nerf it because some some builds if you got them were so strong uh like there was um zeus's static field which is every time he casts a spell he reduces your hp and i think you could have that on medusa and mana shield and every time she toggles it it counts as a spell cast so you just walk around toggling that like crazy and everybody dies. Like that kind of thing. Oh, my God. Or bristleback. Right.

That kind of stuff needs to be patched up. But that was, I mean, it was a fun, stupid game mode. It was never supposed, it's not like they're playing it at the International. Right. You know, Joe. Although people have suggested that like one of the things that they have, I don't know if they do this in other esports, actually, like an all-star match.

I don't know if they have it in CSGO or whatever. I don't know. But anyway, the All-Star games in Dota have almost always been fucking awful games because the players are just either if they're out of the tournament, they're super sad and don't really want to have to play Dota in front of a few million people. Yeah. And if they are still in the tournament,

they have better things to be doing than the All-Star match. But whatever it is what it is, there's nothing at stake. So they kind of just mess about. And what starts off as them clowning about, eventually they just start playing Dota. And it's just like watching a regular game of Dota. And it's just with nothing at stake. So it was just kind of daft.

So they've thought about how can we improve the All-Star game? And some people suggested make it ability draft and see what the pros can come up with. That would be quite funny. Have some prize on the line for the winning team or like the one time they did it, I think it was TI4 when they unveiled Techies. And that was great because Techies had just come out. He was announced on the big screen. There's Techies, everybody loses their shit. And then he's in the All-Star game. So I think it was Artur, like Arteezy, actually played Techies. I don't think he ever played Techies before. So Techies, you know, that was interesting because we got to see how the hero worked.

That is an interesting All-Star game. Putting the new hero in because then people are invested. They want to see what the new hero is about, how it works. But if it's just a regular game, it's just kind of like, eh. So yeah, I don't know other other esports do it is there is that possible in overwatch or csgo or i don't know whatever fucking other games there are i think like a clown mode like game mode for it like ability draft you know softens it too and it becomes this sillier more more kind of like it like a show match in tennis even when they used to do they had a couple i

remember that guy who was like a old guy who came back to wimbledon every year he was egyptian right yeah there was like this famous tennis player who used to basically just do a wimbledon show match every year where he would just do barami mansour barami an iranian yeah and he was so interesting to watch he's amazing like he was like, it was such a weird kind of, it wasn't like he was a, he wasn't like a good player. He was. He was in his day.

He was decent. Well, obviously, obviously he was a top tier player, but like, it wasn't like he was coming out of the, as part of the all-star match, you know?

Right, right. I think that, yeah, I don't know. It was just fun, right? I don't know why they, they did it or thought it was but it wasn't it wasn't like a serious thing his trick shots are magic his his best is where he

goes to he goes for the overhead and then turns it into a a lob he's just he's an he's an incredible player like he's just pure pure talent tennis magician yeah he is i mean i don't know what he's doing now he's probably like 60 now he's 65 but he still still does what he's doing now. He's probably like 60 now. He's 65. He's 65. But he still does it. He's still going. Older than Clooney. Now that would be a show match. I remember watching him and loving that stuff. That was the best bit for me.

Here you go. You get a really old pro, and they have to play a really young guy who isn't good at tennis. So you get like Justin Bieber out there or something, and he has to play against, I don't know, Mansell Barami or some really old old guy i'd like to see that yeah that's a great idea how how on earth would you do that in dota well i guess you'd have to like you'd have to give him some dumb give him some dumb teams or something well they did the thing with like they they chucked in so the the teams have to play against the open ai show match to show

how far along open ai has come for anyone that doesn't know open ai was a program that they ran dota with machine learning so it just played is it like the alpha starcraft or whatever is that if that's the same kind of thing with machine learning where it just plays and figures out like you give it win conditions you give it some basic things that are good and bad and it just learns the rules and it plays yeah and it like it was weird to see because i know elon musk was watching because he tweeted about it because he's obsessed with ai and how dangerous it is which is fair enough and uh it was weird because it just plays itself for thousands and thousands of hours um but there are hard limits on how fast the dota engine can run so i think it cranks it up to like four or five speed or something to play the game because of course

the you know there's no reaction time it doesn't matter but past that the dota engine just can't cope apparently um but that means it still plays like it's played far more dota in in a year than than anybody alive has like it's just cranked through it so every year they roll it out and it's like demonstrably better at the game it's pretty scary yeah it's pretty nuts it's really scary the chess world have kind of just accepted that algorithms are the best now and they can't beat them and so they kind of just ignore them or play alongside them and they almost like when you watch these guys do commentary they're like well the algorithms say that this is the best move here um because of this this and this you actually i mean they actually it's almost like it's become the analyst yeah

it's become the analyst and then they're just kind of the commentating for flavor yeah really which is kind of weird and i i find it like so interesting to see how how far along it's come right it's it's just unbeatable um and i think like now it's the same with anything though even like a weird game that you think like an rts like anything like a turn-based game that ai would just kill you at that so so quickly um just make the best moves every time yeah because it's much simpler right a turn-based game than than something with pinpoint movement and accuracy and all this stuff that's in, like, Dota. I mean, there are things in Dota that it can't handle,

like illusions. I think certain items and heroes are banned because the AI just can't handle it. It doesn't understand. Yeah, yet. Yeah, exactly. But, I mean, I was thinking, is it possible that this will mean

any mechanical operation that we do, machine learning will do better? So would a Formula One driver replaced by a robot that has driven simulations of Formula One driving and then eventually been stuck into a real car on an empty track just for years, just driving around and learning, would that just be the best Formula One driver ever automatically? Or does it have to

fail before it can like human beings can anticipate things and machines can't so unless it's experienced something before or you specifically told it to avoid it it's it's gonna just not so i mean if you just told it follow the track can anticipate machines do and can anticipate and that's part of their part of of it i think why do you think they can anticipate well because they can expect you know they can be programmed to expect anything right there you go to react to any situation that's the point they can't anticipate they can't do something that a human being can do and see something they've never seen before and anticipate an outcome a machine has to be told what to expect and how to respond in certain situations or learn

its way there. It's not capable of original thought. There's definitely an argument that a human encountering an unknown situation would respond worse than a machine though, right? And freeze up, whereas a machine would follow its standard protocols to stop or whatever. Right. What? Stop and freeze up.

So- Same thing. Well, I get the impression that it's almost like a tree with a machine, right? There's no stop and freeze up option. It will just default to, you know, turn left or drive straight. It will go down that flow chart to, you know, an option. I mean, we've essentially, like if you think about evolution, a little bit like machine learning,

where the things that didn't work, we don't keep as instincts because they've been evolved out, if you like. They've been selected out. So if the instinct when we saw a volcano erupting was to run towards it, those guys died. They didn't make it. The ones that ran away made it.

So our instinct to like fight or flight that works like that does work you know that because we're here so machines would need to go through those iterations of another car is spinning out of control on the track in front of you do you just plow through it and hope for the best well the hundred times we did that it didn't work so let's try a different approach and maybe it does something else and eventually it finds the optimal route around the track and is able to overtake and avoid other cars and stuff like that but it can't come up with these things it needs to experience them first and then figure out what's the best yeah i guess that that's the way that a lot of these bots learn is by playing against people so much that they learn all of the possible options but as long as there's a

game or a situation where there's always room for creativity um which i don't know if there is any situation like that i think it's hard for a machine to be creative actively but i think it is possible when i think that you do see it i I also think like there is this mind games kind of attitude to some games where, you know, you, especially in a Formula One or something like that, you know,

you do have to be able to read this other driver and what the, what you think they'll do. And I mean, there's only so much study and programming that you can put into a machine to, to, to, to give that the ability, you know, you could say you could put into a machine to to to give that the ability you know you could say you could code into the machine oh this driver's done this thing at this corner

this many times you know you could just fill it full of data right it crunches it and then it will make the best mathematical decision you know but is that decision you know does that take into account all these micro things that that racing driver has learned as long as it's racing against humans it's always gonna be having to deal with unexpected situations that's how the players beat it uh the open ai was apart from the fact that they were just um able to assess what the computer was good and bad at and then play around that because they're very i mean these the guys that they've played against it like top pros so yeah they'll find the whole they are natural gamers and like those people always look for an edge yeah or a weakness and how can we exploit that which is why you have things like

that's what i do in um when i play i'm like constantly just looking for an exploit just just that edge i'm at the top peak of my game. I'm learning all the time. Exactly. I've developed my own algorithms and stuff, but I'm still gold. I don't get it. It's crazy. Yeah.

It doesn't make any sense to me, but there you go. I mean, did you guys watch the documentary about the machine that AlphaGo, the computer that beat the world champion in Go? Go, yeah. That was the same one that did StarCraft and some of these other ones. Right. So it's Demis Habisus, right?is or habesis i can't remember how to pronounce his name but uh he he did some games back in the the 90s and 80s that were they promised a lot but they didn't deliver but i want to know how they beat open ai i want to know how i want to know what the secret

was yeah do you remember i can't remember but there were things that the computer wouldn't couldn't respond to what you couldn't do for instance, if you're playing against the computer mid, the moment it started just hitting you and ignoring creeps, you were probably already dead. So they did like 1v1 mids between open AI and pro players. And it was the same thing that happened in AlphaGo, which is why I was reminded of it. If you watch AlphaGo, which is on YouTube, it's a really good documentary if you haven't seen it, the computer gets to a point where it's won

and it's calculated, okay, I've won, and it just starts fucking about. And it stops making optimal moves and does all kinds of stupid shit because it knows, well, I've won, it doesn't matter. So it didn't have any coding for what to do after it had won. It just knew that any move won. So it just didn't care.

It just made a move. It was literally like... Because every move was winning from that point onwards. It was going to be one point ahead. It had calculated, I'm going to win this match by one point. Ego, I win.

Therefore, what do I do? You know, and it was just like, I'll just fucking put it here. And they were like, what? What is that move? What is it doing? You know, and it wasn't even like, because it was one move that it makes, which just stops everybody in their tracks.

I don't know Go. We've spoken about this before. Because they didn't realize, the people watching didn't realize it had won. Right. So it knew. And even the player playing against it thought it didn't know it had won, probably. But then I think one of the commentators said, okay, I think what's happened here is that opening i sorry alpha go knows it's one and is now just fucking

trolling basically it's just bm yeah just like i'll just fucking put it there mate whatever well why are you doing that he's already won and everyone's desperately trying to figure it out they're like yeah it's ahead by one point like it's fucking done this is so even the machines are trolling us yeah this is how my this is my life now in future it's just like it's fucking done this is so even the machines are trolling us yeah this is how my this is my life now in future it's just originally it's being trolled by my peers now it's being trolled by my peers children yeah in future i will be trolled by machines yes i mean that's that that's the thing i mean the thing is though lewis like the older you get and stuff like take a leaf out of my book with the gardening and stuff.

You can just retreat. You can opt out of all of this. You don't need to speak to anybody. You can just go out there, tend to your plants and stuff like that. You know, make sure your arugula doesn't bolt. And if it does, just like, you know, trim it down and get some new shit in there. You've got like a button that says Serenity Now when you press it. Yeah, get a Serenity Now button.

Get a little tortoise as well. Keep you company. He's never going to troll you or judge you. Oh, when you press it. Yeah, get a Serenity Now button. Get a little tortoise as well. Keep you company. He's never going to troll you or judge you. Oh, Terry's looking gorgeous. Isn't he just? What a guy. He's just such a hunk. He's too big for his house.

He's a bully, but he's a hunk as well. Like, you walk by. Who does he bully? He lives alone. No, you walk by the window and he gives you that look like, where's my fucking food, bitch? And you just think, holy holy crap this guy is unbelievable like the thing is like i've stopped feeding him in the morning flax i don't know your dog

probably needs to be fed a couple of times a day terry only needs to be fed once a day oh okay but the problem is is that in the wild um he'll spend all day walking around looking for food because it's not yeah given to him on a plate right he has to like for walking around looking for food because it's not given to him on a plate, right? He has to like forage around and find food. So they walk around all day and they find as much food as they can. And then once they've had enough food or feel like they've had enough food and they've had their, you know, vitamin intake for the day or whatever, they're good. They'll go and bask or they'll, you know, find a find a hole to dig and and go to sleep or whatever so if i feed terry first thing in the morning which i used to do he'd just sleep the rest

of the day because in his mind he's just like oh well i'm done like cool food has been found he's one point ahead vitamins acquired it's bedtime and it's just you know it's like nine in the morning so right for terry yeah so i so i've been feeding him in the afternoon but which keeps him keen but the bullying that's where the bullying comes in because every time you walk by the window he's so hopeful and i'm hey bitch where's my goddamn his eyesight is nuts because he can see me holding stuff and he'll react differently if i'm not holding something he's he'll like look but he won't be like as sort of desperately looking but if i have something colorful in my hand like green or yellow or

something that he likes the look of oh my god he's just like he just he turns into like a completely different animal he's like it looks like he's like panting and like frothing at the mouth and he's trying to climb the walls and stuff oh my god it's hilarious it's great so one of the things that sips told me was that when he put used to put like a load of pile of leaves and terry would be really picky which ones he'd eat and he'd eat like eat some of the leaves and leave some of the leaves some of the other leaves um but what sips started doing is like cutting them up together so they're like um in more of a it's like a salad so terry can't tell which one he doesn't like so he just so he just sees green and he eats he just takes everything

in now it's funny have you thought about like putting his food in all different places so at least it keeps him interested hunting for it so like yeah little bits here and there and then it keeps him busy gets a bit more of that legwork going and at least he in his instinct is like oh i've got to find more food because i'm not full yet you know hunting around for it i just think that might give him a little bit of uh brain well if it's a nice day i think sips puts him in the car yeah he goes outside and he just he just eats the random things in the car long term he'll outgrow what he's in right now he's still quite small so it's not too bad but long term he can't Long term, he'll outgrow what he's in right now. He's still quite small, so it's not too bad.

But long term, he can't stay in there. He'll sleep in there, like in the evenings. So then he just has to be out and about all day? Yeah, so basically we just need an enclosure for him and he can just graze all day because everything that he needs to eat is just growing in our garden and backyard anyway. Is that what the true purpose of the garden is

to become terry's lair well part of it yeah i mean it's gonna have to be he has to get big enough that he'll survive a seagull yeah or or like you know a runaway ferret breaking into his most animals don't fuck with tortoises though because they don't understand them you know like you see a lot of youtube videos of like dogs running away from them and stuff. It's just like a little tortoise just, like, sort of, you know, chugging along after the dog, but the dog is petrified of it, because they just don't get them. You know? That's like the first time they saw

tanks in World War I. Exactly. They must have just been, they must have been really scared. Oh my god, that's such a good analogy. They are a bit like tanks, the way that they move around and stuff. So, it is a good analogy. Oh my god. Here's such a good analogy. They are a bit like tanks, the way that they move around. It is a good analogy. Oh my god.

Here's a question that I just saw pop up on Twitter. Okay. So this is just to go back to last week briefly, when I stated that I don't like Jeremy Clarkson. Someone asks, does Sips get the same pushback? It's interesting, because you don't. Because people love you. People don't love me. They tolerate me.

Whereas you can get away with saying, I fucking don't like Jeremy Clarkson. And nobody cares. Not one person. Sips is adorable though. Right. Just as grumpy an old man as me. Just as intolerant as me.

Doesn't like things. Complains about things. Well, it doesn't matter. It's Sips. he can do it yeah god forbid i say that i don't like jeremy fucking clark yeah i don't get that actually i haven't really had much you know what i haven't had much kickback but to be fair i don't check either serenity now you know what uh recently i have not been um going on twitter at all i never check it very wise i never uh really like i post on it but like when i post on it i don't read anything like um i'm just not that i've had any bad experiences or

anything like that i just feel like it's one of those things that i don't really need to spend a lot of time on and i know that if i do spend a lot of time on it it i'll just come out worse for it you know what i mean well i mean people are very negative about twitter because they think that it's just people complaining and it's just people being mean and stuff like that i i think it's genuinely a very funny platform if you follow the right people you can't yeah it can be very funny for sure but i just avoid politics as much as i possibly can on there but um i mean obviously anyone could could at you. Yeah. But the problem is if you respond, they think less of you for responding.

Yeah. So you think, well, what is truly the point of it? Because you clearly want to have a conversation with someone who you otherwise wouldn't be able to chat to. Yeah. So if I'm on Twitter and I post something and I get responses,

I'll sometimes respond to them. And I think that's surely the point. Then people are like, well, he's so triggered. So it's like, all right, if you don't want people to respond, then what's the point in this platform? If you just want me to literally exist on it never post never reply then what is it really for? What is any of this for? Yeah, oh my god. I don't really get it either like I enjoy it sometimes like every once in a while

You do come across a very funny, you know post or thread like I found a funny one the other day For sure! host or thread like i found a funny one the other day sure uh relating to gardening and it was this guy and he was like uh after after dozens of hours of work and hundreds of dollars of money spent getting all the supplies and everything uh i'm i'm happy to finally say that i managed to harvest five cents worth of strawberries it took him like months and months to get to that point. It's true. But it was just very funny and very just funnily put. You know what I mean? Right, right.

I like stuff like that. But I don't like the insane people on it who have just these crazy. I mean, I guess people maybe think like that about you and I, about our opinions on Clarkson or whatever. like that about uh you and i about our opinions on clarkson or whatever but i the difference is that i don't go on to twitter and just um and just post that kind of stuff you know what i mean like right maybe that's why i'm gonna defend my opinion as as like my opinion i'm not saying he should be fucking assassinated i'm just saying i don't like the guy why is that such a big problem no he's not a saint i know he's not god what do some people use flex that's you just got to accept that did you hear that john mcafee died john mcafee john mcafee yeah it's john mcafee man i heard the news today and they announced it like it was sad i mean he was a true cunt my whole

childhood is crumbling around me now what what next he was he was crazy he was legit he wasn't he was an awful person he was crazy didn't he have to go into exile in South America or something because of his craziness? He was in Spain. He was in Spain. Didn't he marry like a 16-year-old tribal girl? I don't want to speculate. I don't want to speculate on the life of John McAfee. All I know is that all the video I've seen of him in recent years, I think it was Vice or someone maybe followed him around.

He's a deeply weird guy. He has crazy ideas. Go and read about him yourself. Go and read about John McAfee, even though it's clearly McAfee. When did he die? Sorry, not when did he die. Oh, yesterday.

Oh, wow. So this is very recent. And he'd been arrested and was going to be extradited. And now he's dead. And he'd said two years previously, if you ever see me dead in prison i didn't do it um and he had like he had tattoos saying whacked to say that you know he's basically claiming pre-death that he was going to be another epstein or whatever so yeah it's it's really weird story that's weird yeah yeah it's very strange another uh another

weird story for you guys i don't know if you guys read this or picked up on it, but the Queen said that Matt Hancock is full of shit, presumably. She didn't finish the sentence. I don't think she said full of shit. No, she was about to say full of something, and then Boris Johnson quickly and nervously said, full of beans? But I think she was about to say, what the fuck is this guy doing i mean i'm sure a lot of people feel the same way but it's just kind of funny that the queen sort of you know it is funny

full of insert queen insult here what would she say full of full of uh bull toot and roar or whatever the queen would refer to as the old horse i I think she, she may have forgot that this was being filmed. Yeah. Well, that's it. It's not normally filmed. It's normally private, but they decided to film this one for the first time.

And she was just, just that bit before they fucked up into another room or something. Like they were, for some reason we're filming that bit. It's just weird, man. It's just weird. I mean,

Boris Johnson, full of beans, your majesty. They're just so weird. I get the impression she likes him though. I mean Boris Johnson full of beans your majesty they're just so weird the way he steps in there oh man oh man I get the impression she likes him though

because he's a bit of a silly doofus he's posh he's posh so of course she likes him oh by the way my main goal on Twitter is to retweet

anything that Gemma says that's embarrassing that's a big thing for me right okay I keep an eye on her timeline very closely and she often tweets things that are weird and i retweet them and uh i stopped by her stream the other day and she was she was quite angry with that i just continually retweeted her worst tweets

immediately went and found some more of her worst tweets and retweeted those that's pretty much the whole point of twitter you just find like a whole bunch of old tweets where she was very racist or sexist or whatever, and you can just retweet those. No, there's one where she's complaining about a varicose vein, so that got a retweet. Nice. Well, I thought Terry was a big bully, but it turns out it's you, so there you go.

You learn something every day. It's good to draw attention to people who are just embarrassing themselves on social media. I think it's a good idea yeah uh yeah no james treats are hilarious i love her i mean honestly i actually i actually retweet them because i think they're hilarious but she's like please don't retweet my worst tweets and i secretly want to say look these are really fucking funny that's why i'm retweeting them not to embarrass you but because they're funny but now she thinks i'm doing you're just trying to build somebody up to take the flack for you, aren't you? You're trying to get somebody exposed so that they can take the brunt of all of your Twitter hate.

She's available to write jokes for you if you need some jokes, P-Flex. I'm sure she'll help out. You want a joke writer, folks? Jemisey. No, I don't need a fucking joke writer. I'm not a stand-up comic. What the fuck is this guy? I don't need oh my god all right

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