Triforce! - Triforce! #193: Gettin' jiggy with the elderly

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

Triforce! Episode 193! We're checking out each others Spotify playlists, Sips tries (and fails) to haggle and we try to figure out the mechanics of gettin' down and dirty with the elderly. Go to http://manscaped.com and use code TRIFORCE to get 20% off with free shipping. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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She listens, is she still an avid listener of the podcast? No, she stopped. I mean she'd is she still a an avid uh listener of the podcast no she stopped she gave up i mean she she listened to like a hundred episodes fucking real that's why right she just once we started talking about street fighting woman street fighting woman she was like they're talking about me on the podcast again this is unacceptable yeah yeah no she uh she stopped commuting because of covid um and she set herself a goal she found this thing it was a list of a thousand albums that were considered like the best albums yeah i like doing those and uh she's been working away through them she's up to the 1970s she's she's about i think she said she i mean obviously got the whole of the 80s the whole of the 90s the noughties and the 2010s so she's got four decades

still to go she was like i am about a third of the way through i'm getting through i was like yeah but love this is going to take you into the new year like this is so much listening so she was kind of good good project yeah i know but she was kind of down i thought you're trying to put her off no no my point was she was like yeah i'm almost to listen to i'm not sure you're up for it you know your ears i think it's gonna get tough in like this sort of like 2000s onwards because i'm not sure that like i mean i'm sure that albums were reviewed well too but williams it feels it feels like a couple of decades of like singles right like and not so much focus on albums i guess i mean the cardigans there's a load of good stuff actually in 2000 the strokes

so um the strokes that's it yeah you know there's a couple of good stuff, actually, in 2000s. The Strokes. The Strokes, that's it. Yeah, you know, there's a couple of good bands in the 2000s. The Strokes. Okay, anyway, moving on. Green Day. Anyway. Green Day, a big 2000s band, yeah. Starting in the 90s. A biscuit.

So, maybe my music tastes a bit 90s. Can you get her to do like a little one-sentence review of each album that she listens to and keep track so i would love to no it would be great actually she's already 33 of the way through yeah just leave her but she skipped all the 60s who cares no she didn't worry about no you can't skip the 60s the 60s were such an important decade musical time yep for sure like what like elvis what was in the 60s what was in the 60s of the beatles beatles yeah it's huge the beatles the rolling stones the who all of those bands you know i mean like and then the setup for all the big bands of the 70s as well right the 60s was massive is it like

watching the first episode of star wars do you mean in your your canonical is it like reading lord lariggs to set you up for you know the wheel of time or whatever you know what i mean in your your canonical is it like reading lord le riggs to set you up for you know the wheel of time or whatever you know well i think it's just the the the you know the the decade i i feel like the 70s were a harder music wise right like it was um you know after you had like uh the the sort of love of the 60s the the hippies and drugs and stuff. Everything just sort of got stripped down to its bare bones and it was just more drugs. Even harder drugs. Yeah, and then harder drugs and then therefore maybe harder music as well.

It wasn't as... I feel like the 70s, obviously, you had prog rock was a big thing. Yeah. The end of the 70s, you had like punk and stuff as well. Is that leather jackets? Oh, yeah, leather is that leather jackets oh your leather jackets into leather jackets with studs and mohawks yeah and then everyone just went all brown yeah i mean you had the the start of of metal started really in the 70s and then

in the 80s you had like hair metal and that kind of stuff and and really heavy metal uh in the 70s and 80s i mean then into the 90s is when you the the late 80s should be like the birth of early rap music well the late 80s was the birth of sort of like uh alternative as well right because i think you had all the hairspray bands that people were sick of and that sort of ushered in your sound gardens nirvanas you know what not and it was like that sort of like anti anti that right late 80's DIY sort of punk stuff and everything

and then the birth of shoegazing and that kind of music yes yeah it's interesting how it transforms but again as I said before you know guitar based music as a mainstream thing that loads of people listen to is dead. Sadly, it's all it's all mumble rap and dance.

It's not. It can't be all that bad. But I mean, it is the problem is, is we're older and there's you you get stuck. You get locked into like what you listen to in a lot of ways. Unless you're really into music and you're like a critic or like somebody who reviews music and listens to a lot of music and subjects themselves to a lot of different music or whatever. I think for the average person, you're locked into what you listen to when you were in your teens. That's not my point. My point is that that stuff is not popular anymore. that is not what the average person is listening to but a lot of that stuff wasn't like always that popular either we just you just liked some of it so it felt like it

was it was popular there was tons of stuff you you too one of the most successful bands of all time yeah who are still fucking touring i'm'm not specifically saying that about U2. But where is the replacement? Where is the next U2? Or even bands like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and stuff like that, who were massive. The guys doing this music are older than us. Well, now, yeah, they are.

This is good, right? There aren't mega, mega hits that are the only thing. You know, it's good that we don't have only got three TV channels anymore. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's nice to have a variety of choice so that you can pick what you want. I realize that this whole variety of choices also led to the disastrous echo chambers of Earthers, flat Earthers, and, you know, climate deniers.

But also, think about how much choice you have like look at my i think i obviously i have like i do the discover weekly on spotify i've been doing it for years and i love listening to random he loves his discover weekly this guy he does loves it is this i listen to that on spotify as well uh i listen to the indie thing that chucks up new indie music and sometimes there's some good stuff all there. All right, well, tell me what name... Like, if you go into it now and tell me what your liked songs are. What are your liked... So, for example, I liked a song yesterday called Power Snake.

Okay. Nice. Which is about, like, Jormungandr, the big worm in Nordic mythology, by a band called Emblaz Saga, in nordic mythology by a band called emblas saga who only sing about like norse metal rock it's so different now just coming back to what max was saying who's going to replace you too it's the the stage isn't the same as it was when you two were at their absolute height i'm sure they're still touring and stuff um and they're probably still as popular or whatever but it the world is just so different to when you're right that band people

are listening to the the radio and like the way music is consumed is who was a who was able to find uh the for for for longer the the worm god music like it was impossible to find before you had these communities on the internet and the and the connectivity that we have now you you were at the mercy of like a fan magazine that you might be lucky enough to come across at some point or even know existed in the first place like it was really hard to discover music you know like uh back then and you were you were sort of sort of spoon-fed what was destined to be big from like heavy radio play and stuff but but nowadays because of this i mean pandora was the original

way to like associate music with other music right where you would find similar stuff right so you pick it the whole point of pandora back in the day was you type in something you like and it would throw up other things and you're like oh wow yeah i do like these it was kind of this much easier way to just like you know it used to be that all these heavy metal bands had to have this indecipherable font you know where we you can't read what the fuck they're called um because you're like oh i like this metal band maybe i'll like this one you know and sometimes there was an opportunity to listen to it in the store or you know or whatever wear those big headphones but mostly not yeah right you had to kind of hear it somewhere especially if you like niche music you know you had to just rely on NME or some review site telling some you know paper magazine

telling you what was good right yeah and and and so yeah my but now my recommendations kind of lead me down because I got to like you know norse rock from um kind of more like other like well from because i'm listening to like a load of dwarven like um mining songs and stuff because the thing is diggy hole is on my spotify right just occasionally and so that links into these other because there's a because windrose who were that metal band yeah did the cover of that there's loads of other youtube recommendations there's loads of other dwarf kind of rockers so there's like fantasy fantasy metal so i've got like a band called beast in black there was that band that was on eurovision that year as well what are they called like lordy or loki lordy lordy exactly yeah and there's there's tons and tons

and tons of these things i don't know whether it's some of them i feel like dragon force are kind of like fantasy metal i don't know whether these are as much real bands as just a guy making music in like a fucking shack in like the frozen north of melmer or somewhere sure but again it's different though i mean that the tools available now like like digital tools that are available now like like feasibly one person can make. Exactly. It's like Deliveroo. The music that it used to take three, four people to make. I ordered this burrito the other day from Deliveroo.

I realized they didn't even have like a location. It's just a guy's house, you know, that he just makes them. Or they've got a little kitchen in there and they only do it on Deliveroo now. So it's like stuff like that like this you can have a metal band that seems like a really cool metal band with pictures of guys and stuff but they maybe just stock artists you know maybe yeah you might never see them live or whatever to dress up and put makeup on and you know i think the internet is at a point where i could be like a huge fan of this metal band but then find out that they don't exist but it doesn't

matter because I guess the point is that I'm not a huge fan of them because I don't actually know their name weirdly looking at this liked songs list I obviously like these songs then instantly forget what the band's called and instantly forget what the name of the song is and it's just then it's just in my list do you know what I mean it's such a weird time I think the the era that's that's kind of my point is that the era of the big band and the big album is gone, isn't it? And it seems to be like, if you look at the artists, that seems to be the thing. And they have to be photogenic and they have to be very good at social media. They have to be able to project an image.

And I think that the 80s gave us that. And it's just lingered, in all honesty. I feel very cynical about it all, in all honesty. Oh, yeah, you're totally right. It goes in cycles as well. We'll probably do another sort of, I don't know. Purge. Not purge.

Just have a purge. Just like a shake up to the norm sort of thing. Just everything on fire. You know, like whatever. Because there's still so many big pop bands like manufactured pop bands there's lots of big singles that come out all the time that stay in the charts forever 100 right and especially in countries like korea where they are actually actively manufacturing these exportable hit you know music videos and sounds yeah which are very catchy and very designed to

tap into things that we've heard before but are slightly different and appeal to like a an audience a specific audience and also like i think seo more than anything you know especially on spotify like you know these tracks need to sound uh similar enough and have a name that's similar enough that people will think oh yeah that sounds like the kind of music that sounds like branding themselves it's so important more important than ever in fact you know it must be very hard to to kind of not to like break out it's like it's like in on the apple on on on apple you know i was reading a reddit thread where people were talking about oh you know the best ios games but i feel like the ios games are either languishing in obscurity or making

billions you know because it's the same shit on there it's bloons and the fucking minecraft and it's the same shit i swear to god gardenscapes and all this shit that i looked at like fucking you know five years ago when i was on my my phone looking at charts it's all still the same shit it's like how do you break out on ios unless you've got someone at apple in your back pocket willing to like you know put you up on the fucking featured editors featured games list i don't know it's like it's so weird to it's such a weird kind of and and every game on store has to be called something like fucking you know battle force of war or do you know what i mean like none of those games are designed to actually be fun which is kind of depressing a lot of the games also have to put like stupid shit in their title yeah you

know it's you can often tell a game on steam that's being ported from ios because it will have some fucking ios title do you mean it's like so weird i think um i think like i i i partially agree flax with like the what you're saying about the the era of like the big band or whatever i i i partially agree flax with like the what you're saying about the the era of like the big band or whatever i i feel like it's probably unlikely that a band like you two is gonna come around again you know like a a couple of like uh like mid 20 something guys with long hair and tight pants on that you know started playing songs in a pub or whatever and then uh conquered the world like i i feel like probably those days are gone i don't know maybe there'll be like a resurgence or like some sort of comeback but it's

just been replaced with something different but like the scale is is is bigger than ever right like right like these a lot of these manufacturing a mega concert a lot of these manufactured groups like lewis is saying like in korea in Korea or elsewhere across like the West and stuff like that are just as big, if not bigger than they've ever been. And you still have the old big bands that are still making a killing touring all the time. They're still out there touring and making a ton of money off of, you know, out stadiums and merch and and everything else like um i don't know it's like that that japanese pop star who's the fucking hologram what's her name hatsune miku you know she's actually manufactured literally she's a voice synthesis software that's got you know got a fucking like an avatar huge corporate company behind her doing literally

concerts in front of millions of people yeah It's mental. Anyway, I want to hear what's on your Spotify P-Flex. I don't know how to find out. You could click liked songs. I don't tend to just like songs. I add them to a playlist. I don't like songs. I don't click like on anything.

Who does that? I don't know. I do because it puts them in a... I've got made for sips i've got like daily mix one daily what's what's your what's your made for because they'll be slightly different genres as well those there'll be all sorts on here yeah okay my daily mix one is um there's uh a whole bunch of credence clearwater revival on it uh the Beatles, Steely Dan, Marmalade, The Rolling Stones, uh The Kinks, um man Jimi Hendrix, George Harrison I guess I just like listen to a lot of uh older music one day or whatever because I don't even it's very rock yeah I don't I don't really listen to

a lot of this stuff i think it's just probably taken two or three bands that i had listened to and then just sort of made recommendations off the back of those led zeppelin my my playlist that i've got is songs that i like or like if i hear a song um let's say uh i'm just letting spotify play through the daily mix stuff and i hear a song I really like, or I'm watching a TV show and it pops up, or it's in the background of a video, or I just remember it.

Like my friends the other day sent me a song I hadn't heard in ages, which I stuck on my classics playlist, which is for older tunes that I would consider fit into. So this has got Crosby. I thought you were going to say older gentlemen. This has got Crosby, Stills and Nash, Steely Dan jerry rafferty yeah tom petty and the heartbreakers it's even got a dire straight song on here which 20 years ago what i thought was impossible to happen pink floyd it's got pearl jam what dire straight song is it because some some are some are better than others

it's money for nothing oh yeah that's a pretty good but it's got like king crimson and heart and bands like that yeah that's the old school very pure money your song isn't it money for my okay so my daily mix two is so unbelievably different to my daily mix one uh it's just my daily mix two is is all hip-hop basically but you don't make your own list is what i'm saying no but it's just no but i'm amazed that spotify understands that you love both country folky southern rock yes sort of late 60s but also you like hip-hop yeah and then you get to daily mix 5 and it's like the beach boys what it's all over the place the ai starts going like you don't have like a playlist that's that you add songs to no no i usually listen to like

i do like artist radio a lot so like i'll listen to a song that i feel like listening to and then i'll just do like radio from that song or radio on that artist and then you get spotify just feeds in stuff that is related to it or that other people have liked after listening to that or whatever you know they have their algorithms or whatever and usually it's pretty good sometimes i skip songs if like um you know if a song's not doing it for me or whatever i'll just skip but i don't find i've really discovered any new music through any of those you know what i mean like i haven't i haven't heard anything that's that i've liked enough to be like well who's this um like oh maybe i should go listen to an album or whatever like my the way i discover music is usually from reading about music you know like i'll read about a band that i'm into and then

it'll say you know they were really heavily inspired by this other band or whatever oh so you don't mean new music you mean music that's new to you yeah so well either way yeah music that's new to me or or new music like i i rarely discover new music that that i i want to listen to sort of thing you know like it's just i listen to a lot quite a lot of new music and if i like it i stick it on my playlist right we're up to 128 songs now that's that's on the the main playlist that if i if i'm driving somewhere and i want to guarantee that the songs that come on are ones i actually like i stick that well the thing about that big old mix it's got all kinds of stuff. Driving music, very different to chilling in music, very different to focusing music,

very different to, like, you know, playing Dota music. I don't play music to focus. I can never do that. I can't. Oh. I have to have silence if I'm focusing. Well, right. And then music for if I'm doing something boring that I have to do.

Like driving. I like music in the car, for sure. I always listen. Or podcasts in the car are good as well. That's a good time to listen to boring that I have to do. Like driving. I like music in the car, for sure. I always listen to... Or podcasts in the car are good as well. That's a good time to listen to podcasts. I don't know. I always found that podcasts, I found them hard to make out in the car.

You just rack it up, mate. Rack it right up. Anyway, we're all different. I know some people was like, don't use Spotify, use some other thing, and blah, blah, blah. And always, you know, they always complain that the Spotify premium ads and stuff.

But the thing is, like, for music on Spotify, obviously all the bands get paid. If you put a podcast on Spotify, we don't get any money from that. We only get money from ads. So that's why even if you have Spotify premium, you still see ads on the podcasts because that's the only way podcasts can monetize on Spotify. But it comes through Spotify's platform, so it should be kind of organized by them anyway i don't think spotify make it clear that when you sign up to premium you still get ads in podcasts anyway that's on them but i just thought i'd let you know because a few people have been complaining about that and i'm sorry about it but if you want

to listen ad free we do have a patreon where we put stuff and we haven't been updating it very well but we're going to make it better uh and obviously you could always list on youtube as well where it will be youtube ads yeah so there's gonna be some ads yeah there will be but that's because nobody likes ads i think it's that's just unfortunately that's just how it works at the moment and i'm sure it'll change and be different and if you want us to use different platform fucking let us know like just just tell us just complain yeah we we i see we see your complaints and we we we raise you uh please just keep complaining because it helps us be better i always look at complaints and i'm like oh shit i want to be better and that's generally my response to a user complaint directed at me right and we do read reddit and twitter and you know and if you

make a comment because someone will post on there'll be like one comment and reply to me tweeting out the new podcast and it's a complaint and i'm like all right okay and it's like we do see this stuff and we we do want to talk to you so i think we might try and have some q a's and stuff on the patreon and maybe do a special episode or something anyway we're thinking about it but uh since we're talking about Spotify, I thought I might as well chuck that in in the middle of the podcast so half the audience are not going to pay attention. But did you hear in the news this week,

which I thought was interesting, was the Soviet chess champion who was suing Netflix over a single line of dialogue in the Queen's Gambit. And in this one line, the one line that said, so- so and so was a female player but she never played against men and she's livid uh that uh that this uh slander has been well she got mentioned you see yeah by name they mentioned her by name yeah and they said

she'd never played against men of course she had and so i think that it was obviously a part of a dramatic situation but they could have just changed their name do you mean beth harman wasn't a real chess player and the guys she was playing against weren't real either were they like a lot of the names no i don't i don't think so i think they they did you reference some big chess famous chess players i'm sure you know when they were talking about moves and oh this is something bobby fisher did or whatever but right maybe maybe they didn't even do that because it was set back in the day before all of these quite quite a lot of the modern people are well known so anyway i i don't know how you felt about that but i thought it's quite funny because we're

obviously big fans of of that show i don't know whether you thought she had a point see i like when i first started watching it i thought that the whole thing was was real for like the first i don't know like half of the the first episode i was like i i i thought it was based on a real person like everything like because i hadn't really read much about it and i didn't really know much about it and i thought i thought i heard somebody say that it was like you know based on somebody or so i just assumed that it was right and then it's obviously it's uh it's it's sort of set in an era when obviously yeah there's a thing when chess of course yeah i mean it's not there's not none of it's so far-fetched that it's like unbelievable right but like but then but then why hughes a real person's name dropped in the mix there yeah

yeah um i don't know i guess it just sort of adds authenticity for the casual netflix viewer because i hadn't heard of it they could have like you said you didn't even know this was fictional yeah why use a real name because it's not like you're going they didn't even reference so and so this doesn't seem realistic at all i don't know any of these players names so they could have just made a name up so i think her point is if you're gonna put me in there you've at least got to fucking be accurate and i think that's fair yeah yeah i wonder whether it's just the case though of some writer or someone along the lines it was obviously net the whole thing was based off this book by

walter tevis who was this science fiction writer who did a lot of other stuff but i read a couple of his books recently interestingly because i got them cheap in a local bookshop um and i i thought they i think it was pretty good and i wonder whether he had just had that line in his book or someone had read it somewhere on the internet and not fact checked it but i wonder how many i think i think you have a duty of fact checking if you are gonna put real people in it you know um but yeah i can see how they could slip through the net and upset people you know because it's just obviously just a throwaway line isn't it but it does sort of establish her as this standout sort of character right that she's the she's unique or special or, you know, different or somehow, you know.

So that is, you know, the first one. When it kind of, because she's fictional, it kind of does belittle. I think the danger of, I guess, The Queen's Gambit is that some, a lot of audience will think this is real. And a real biography of a real person is kind of usurping the the achievements of this um russian no no gap gap rindash villi who's not actually russian she's georgian um but she was even i think that's what she's also unhappy with you know they called her russian and i think if you're georgian that's a bit of a problem yeah yeah although i guess at the time you know it was all part of you know the ussr right so it was probably probably you

know what what did they prefer to call her a soviet i don't know um yeah i guess they would have been right she's she's georgian though like and she was angry about the fact that they said that she was russian she was like i'm not russian i'm georgian so i think it's a bit like maybe if you said someone was english and they were scottish they it's maybe it's a similar kind of thing where they go oh yeah you, they should have said British instead. Yeah, I can see how this stuff happens. It's just laziness

or rushing or a lack of care. But, you know, obviously it's upset her and, you know, what other effects has it had? I don't think it is. She's asking for five million bucks though

or something like that. I'm thinking, I don't think that there's been asking for five million bucks though or something like that i'm thinking i don't think that that there's been a loss of earnings to the five million dollars georgia one of these places though where you have to negotiate really hard for everything you think it's like a haggling thing yeah yeah we started five million for this slander my client's just playing history and maybe we negotiate okay how about we apologize six million oh man uh i love that i think that's that i think that is how it works um i love i love i love those shows where you do see someone in one of these marketplaces in morocco or wherever where it's just this the market stall

people literally are excited for the haggly bits of the day you know and they get very disappointed they almost like if you don't want to haggle they're like no no no we haggle now we haggle it's not gonna charge you that i thought it would be really fun to haggle when i was in egypt in like 2005 and uh we got a taxi um from like the city to this other part of the city and we were like oh okay this is gonna be great we're gonna haggle the price like there's no set price or whatever and the guy was just like he just he he knew that we were just incapable of haggling and just was just like he would not budge and like i didn't know how to make him budge i was like come on we'll give you like 20 he's like no no like and he was getting

annoyed as well you could tell like he was that's the tactic he was super annoyed and but i don't i'm not i don't know how to play the game so i was just like well you have to haggle before getting in the taxi right i was disappointed i thought it would be fun and it wasn't fun and then i just gave him what he asked for and uh you know that's how you haggle my friend i just thought this it's not like well it's not like in the movies you know like i didn't have that situation is a haggling one that's the problem you know you can't go into dixons and start well i feel like in in egypt when we went every situation was a potential haggle situation um because they're just the way that they're they work day to day and i think the way that they they treat like tourists or even what they perceive as tourists

i mean like we went to um we went to like a shopping um mall which was odd um and somebody held the elevator door open for us we got in and he's like tip please i was like what really and then i i like i didn't even try to haggle with them because i thought well this is pointless because like we just had the taxi incident it's like yeah okay whatever here just like have have some have some money just they marked you somehow they put a little bit of chalk on your sleeve or something that you were a chump the old chalk on the sleeve trick man i just like i was annoyed because i'm not used to it you know like i'm not used to it's tough people asking for for'm not used to people asking for tips.

Like at a restaurant or a bar or whatever I'm used to, but not nowhere else, you know. When we went on honeymoon to Bali, it's all haggling out there. But it's also a country where the people of Bali are unbelievably poor. Yeah, of course. And then you have these incredibly wealthy hotels slapped down there for tourists from America and a lot from Australia coming out there with all their money. And you go to these little markets and stuff like that

and you can buy, you know, local fabric sort of clothing and things like that. I'm there and I'm haggling because everybody's haggling. But when I do the calculation in my head about how much I'm haggling for, I'm like saying 8p don't be ridiculous i'll give you 4p and then after a while i was like just give them the fucking money yeah so i i just paid whatever they asked because i felt so awful that i was haggling

about what to me was like pocket change and to them was like a decent take for the day if they make five bucks you know and there would be people running alongside the coach with these huge carved horses that's like a full-sized horse carved from mahogany and they're like a dollar mister i'll give it to you for a dollar and you're like yeah maybe 25 cents you know so fucking just give them the money christ i know exactly what you mean but my cynical brain instantly goes to like i recognize that mahogany horse you bought those like in bulk from china didn't you and they've got like a warehouse down the road like 10 000 of them jimmy and shipped in you're one of those i don't know you call them out on their bullshit you're trying to fix the world when you're on vacation i've seen this though like like because i watched this thing about how because when i was in rome there were loads of these people giving up

you know that bracelet thing we talked about where where they put a little bracelet on you and then sort of, you know, say it's yours, you bought it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they hold on to you as well. They're like, oh, okay. So 20 euros now, right? You're like, for a bracelet? And they're like, yeah, 20 euros as they like grip onto your wrist even harder.

And you're like, okay, I guess I'm giving this guy 20 euros now they like grip onto your wrist even harder and you're like okay i guess but it's this whole i'm giving this guy 20 euros now like right it's not just one poor guy living in a shack in rome it's literally a fucking a whole it's the whole warehouse is full of these bracelets and they've training days for these yeah people that they bring in germany and it's like this is how you scam people and they could go and do the exam and get their certificate for scamming and germany there's a whole or they got hate they've probably got health care you know they're probably quite well looked after you know when they get old and they can't scam anymore they go into a different scam like i don't know the one where you sit on the floor and pretend you

don't have a leg or whatever do you mean like the whole the whole scam the whole scam train and it's all it's a whole thing right so i am on the lookout i i just i see i think i've had such a jaded gaze that i see everything through this eye of suspicion i i cannot see like a starving man on the on the pavement without thinking which network is this starving man part of you know and who's where's the big fat mafia guy coming along to take his car behind the scenes it's like john wick is that what you think it's like where uh lawrence fishburne controls all the homeless people i got god knows uh i don't know if it's that thought out but i'm a little i'm just a little bit like you know i'm just sometimes a little bit sus of these things that they're selling which looks suspiciously like chinese tat that you can

buy on alibaba for you know one dollar for 50 or whatever do you mean like wholesale partly because half the stuff on amazon is that you know yeah you look on amazon for anything it's we've chatted about this before but you know we're being scammed in plain sight so why can't we be scammed behind the scenes that's what i'm saying um so another interesting piece of news they are making expendables for i noticed this this after last week's marathon conversation about jcvd himself yes um so having cast all of his famous action pals, Sly Stallone is getting... Or not, according to Flax. This guy hasn't been in anything worth watching his entire career. They're adding...

What's his name? Tony Jaa from Ong Bak and some of the other martial arts movies that you might have... You probably know what he looks like. He's old now and therefore he's joining the cast of old men he's now become expendable himself yeah he's reached that ripe old age to me the the expendables is like those clint eastwood movies where he gets to be mean to black people right and that's his whole character that's his whole character reno right right this this wasn't grand torino um like a well maybe i haven't seen it actually do you know what

i haven't i know that that that clint eastwood movies are allegedly pretty good but i can't i haven't seen any i haven't seen like the million dollar baby or grand torino all right grand torino is every old white man's fantasy every old racist white man's fantasy who wants to go out there and stop those goddamn colored folks from messing up the neighborhood that's pretty much the fucking plot of the movie right go ahead and watch it i think i'll pass now based on that review but don't worry he's he's friends with some latinos so he's cool or i think they might have been asian actually i can't i've only watched the movie once yeah either way there's some there's some the korean war yeah i

remember something about the korean war yeah i remember something about the korean war in there so go ahead and watch it and you tell me and this i know for a fact that clement eastwood is incredibly republican like entrenched he did that awful thing where he appeared on stage with an empty chair which was super embarrassing the dude is like literally appealing to that gruff old concealed carry Republican white American old dude. That's his whole fucking fantasy. He loves it. He loves it.

So if you want that experience, go watch a Clint Eastwood movie. Go for it. Go ahead. Make his day is what. So how is this like the Expendables 4? So the Expendables is the fantasy for these old action stars that they could fight a load of much younger men who are much fitter than

them and still kick their ass because grr i'm jason statham or girl i'm dolph lundgren and i'm 70 fucking eight i'm eric roberts and i'm 104 i'm steve austin and i'm 307 years old but i got a few trips up my sleeve it's just. It's just old man fantasy. And I wish people wouldn't fucking whack off to it. Well, I guess also- Find something else to whack off to, for Christ's sake. We like watching. It's a thing that people have. It's just, you just have this.

You like watching the same thing, but different. And people have been watching Dolph Lundgren, Jason Statham, Wesley Snipes, Mel Gibson, Harrison Ford punch younger men in the face for the last 30 years and we'd like it why would that change why would they no longer be capable of doing that because they're fucking old because they're fucking old

let's get some new youngsters in here I haven't watched an action film in forever like I don't I'm not I don't seek them out I don't even know like what I guess John Wick is like probably the new big sort of action franchise and I guess superhero stuff like Marvel Universe or whatever. Right.

You know, like Die Hard, like I used to like Die Hard and like whatever, Predator, Commando, like all like, like, you know, the big 80s action movies. Like when I was a kid, I thought they were awesome. But like as an adult, I don't think I watch any action movies. Like I can't remember the last time I saw one. I feel like. Never like seek them out. Like if there's one coming out in, like, I'm not going to see the Expendables. I haven't seen any of the Expendables.

Like I just, I just, I feel like I. Do you want us to stop talking about it? No, no. I'm just like. Because we were want us to stop talking about it? No, no. I'm just like... Because we were literally about to start talking about it and you jumped in to tell us all. Hold on a sec. I don't watch any of these.

No, just because Lewis is saying... No, no. We could save it. We have a spoiler sip so you can... No, it's fine. No, just because Lewis was saying that people just watch what they're used to and what they want to watch and stuff.

But I'm just saying that's not me. Like I did used to like it, but I wouldn to like it but i i i wouldn't seek it out now i wouldn't watch it now like i don't find any comfort in watching it or or any like interest in watching it or whatever i'm not saying i'm better than anyone or or whatever i'm just saying i just i just don't watch that stuff you know like i just wouldn't i wouldn't want to watch it well but that's the thing maybe you don't know you're watching it. Because think about this, right? James Bond, elderly man, eating up young men.

Well, I don't know. He doesn't even watch those, though. That's the thing. They replaced James Bond when he gets too old. If it was still Connery up until the end or whatever, I'd understand if they were like, They gotta get Roger Moore back. Just like for one more, right? He's still alive, isn't he?

Or did he die? No, he's dead as well, didn't he? He's fucking dead too? Shit, what about that one on Majesty's Secret Service? He was pretty young. He's probably still around. Get him in for his second ever... Oh, Timothy Dalton?

No, not Timothy Dalton. He was the only Bond that was... Wait. Oh, yeah. He did one film. He did one film, yeah. Oh, fuck me. Why can't I...

George Lazenby. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he's dead. He's not, yeah. He did one film. He did one film, yeah. Oh, fuck me. Why can't I have George Lazenby? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he's dead. He's not, man. I mean, the only picture on Wikipedia is black and white. He's alive. He's 82. There you go.

Get him in. Get him in for a second one. Get him in for a second one. Why haven't they asked him into the Expendables? He could be like the British retired Secret Service agent they bring in. Fuck, that would be great. Someone get Sylvester stone on the line he was in a film in 2021 there you go how about that they keep going these guys till

they fucking cat well i mean jonko van damme's set to be in a movie in 2022 so i mean he's already way better than uh that guy who was only bond once i do do want to point out that George Lazenby has had some gaps in his career. One of them, 2003, a well-named movie, Winter Break. That Winter Break lasted 11 years. Maybe he was doing time. You never know, right? Doing time.

Maybe he got banged up. He was doing some hard time with the family. Yeah, maybe he just like, you know. Doing time. He surfaced in that film and the feds caught up with him, you know. in that film and the feds caught up with him. You know, he was a fugitive and they caught up with him and then he had to serve his time. You know, he did the crime, served the time.

He was on an episode of Celebrity Squares. That's interesting. Which is in 1975. Yeah. It's a British comedy game show based on Hollywood squares. Right. Wow. Fascinating.

Interesting. Hosted by Bob Monkhouse, also dead. Why don't they get Bob Monkhouse on The Expendables, eh? Any Bob Monkhouse fans out there? He's dead. He's dead, yeah. Well, that doesn't stop any of the rest of them appearing on the film. Wait, who's dead that appears in the film?

The entire cast. That's what you don't know. They're not dead, though. They're all CGI'd. No, come on. What are you talking about? It's all culled from previous films. It's going to happen.

The Expendables, they can keep making them. Five, six, seven, eight. you know, hundreds of years from now, they'll be making Expendables 10. Why do you think Dolph Lundgren has one recurring line in the Expendables series? I must break you. That's it. That's all he says. Is that his line from Rocky whatever?

Rocky 4. They just copy pasted it from the previous movie. I must break you. And that's all he says in the Expendables series. Hey, Dolph, do you want a drink? I must break you. that's all he says in the expendable series hey hey do you want a drink i must break you why does he always just say that he's always standing with the same angle same lighting he's got to say with a different tone to convey urgency for the things that he wants he's like groot he's essentially i must break you oh i think he needs to go on the

bathroom maybe he's breaking open one of those bottles that has to you know the snap neck thing you know yeah they could they carefully work it those bottles that has to, you know, the snap neck thing. You know? Yeah. They carefully work it in so that I must break you is contextually appropriate for everything he's going to do. He's got a Kit Kat. Dolph, you're going to eat that Kit Kat? I must break you.

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even though I wouldn't say that he was like a staple of 80s action, really. Like he was in a couple of... He was in a Rocky movie with Stallone. Yeah, and wasn't he the bad guy in a Seagal movie as well? But Seagal isn't an Expendable, right? Because I think... Well, obviously Sylvester stallone doesn't like him yeah and neither does john claude van damme because of the ass kicking uh you have to

be mates with sylvester stallone to get into these movies right okay so if you're a good friend with sylvester stallone and you were somewhat um and you were over 70 you were somewhat um of a big deal in the 80s doing action and you're in yeah in, yeah. So Bruce Willis is in it. Arnold Schwarzenegger is in it. Who else? Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. He was in the last one.

Right, okay. Mel Gibson was only in the Lethal Weapon movies. Oh, I guess he was in Mad Max as well, right? Well, and Braveheart and The Patriot. Oh, yeah, yeah. He did quite a few action movies. Those were more 90s movies, though, right? Yeah, but that's the point, isn't it?

Is that these were old movies with old men beating up young men. That's the whole point. How many 50 Cent's going to be in this one? 50 Cent is an expendable now. Yeah, and Megan Fox as well is going to be in it. Megan Fox. I guess she was in what, Transformers? The Transformers movies?

She's 35 now, so by Hollywood standards, she is expendable. She's 35? Oh, right. She is expendable. And she's still within kissing range of these 80-year-old guys as well, right? Exactly right. They want to have a good 30-year buffer between the people that they're making out with. Yeah.

The 30-year cushion. 30 to 40-year cushion. They don't want to be kissing Judy Dench or anyone, any old woman. Any wrinkly old. They don't want to kiss their grandma. I mean, these guys can still pull. They want to date 20-year-olds and 25-year-olds or at a push, I guess, reluctantly, 35-year-old Megan Fox, even though she's getting a little bit old now. 35, jeez, I don't know.

Getting past her sell-by date, you know, she won't spring chicken anymore. 35. Man, oh man. I wonder if women actually find 80-year-olds attractive, or is it just like based on their their their stature or whatever i think it's to do with money money and and and perceived power and stuff like that i think there's like sometimes you hear about these very small percentage of women who actually do prefer uh older gentlemen believe me i've been looking for him for a long time man men are so fucking basic in that uh sense though right you never like it's really

rare that you would see a young guy dating and like a really old like an 80 year old woman it's rare example it's super rare yeah and then if it does happen it's uh considered uh highly creepy as well right but that said you know a lot of women would probably date jeff goldblum and he's getting on you know yeah he only had a baby relatively recently he's 68 and he had he had a baby five years ago he's one year off he is also just dare i say it a very wealthy and famous man i think i know what i want to see is a not wealthy man who's 70 just your average pensioner with a 23 year old model yeah get fucking captain tom with like captain tom with megan fox i know poor guy passed away but geez let's get captain

tom some some ass i was reading an article about sugar daddying or sugaring and how popular that is nowadays and you can you'll find articles about this i don't where would i just so i don't see it i can't remember where i read it i can't remember where i read it but either way it might have been on the guardian but it was an interview with a whole bunch of these young women a lot of them students or just you know they've just graduated or whatever and um do you remember i i think we talked about this previously about maybe we considered it too spicy for Triforce. I can't remember. It's about Instagram women models, if you like, that you'll see sometimes on Instagram. And they're posting pictures in their gaming chair. Then they're in their living room.

And then suddenly they're on a fabulous beach somewhere on a yacht. Yeah. And it's like, huh. And they don't mention owning a yacht. And the deal is that men, wealthy men can hire women as a sort of sugar daddy thing. There are very popular websites where this is a thing. Go ahead and look this up if you don't believe me, I'm telling you. You go and look it up and basically you can advertise yourself as, I think they're called kittens or something. I can't remember what they call themselves, but basically the baby, I think it's the baby

is the woman's role and the man is the sugar daddy. And you say, I'm the sugar daddy, here the woman's role. And the man is the sugar daddy. And you say, I'm the sugar daddy. Here's all my money. This is what I can offer you. And they say, cool. My rate is X. And you go out there. I know people who've done this. I know both sides, the daddy and the baby or whatever they call the woman. And they basically pay them 10, 20, 30 grand a week. Sex is a part of the deal, set number of times, blah, blah, blah. And you get to take a hot young woman away on holiday with you and have sex with her. And she, in return, gets a load of money and posts pictures on Instagram.

It's just prostitution, isn't it? It is, essentially. Yes, it's sex work. Of course it's sex work. But these women have absolutely no respect for these men, very understandably. And they say they're disgusting. They're very stupid and simple.

And it's an easy way to make money. Why wouldn't I do this? And I say, go for it. Yeah, absolutely. If you can take thousands and thousands of pounds. So they're taking advantage of the old,

it's clever that they think they're the ones taking advantage of these old men. They are. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's such a weird one. Why wouldn't you do that?

We don't have that option as men. I honestly don't think women would be that fucking stupid to just think oh hire this beautiful girl and that but that's what they do and i mean i've seen this happen where these guys think oh this is a relationship now and yeah she's my girlfriend and then her mind you know i'm not your fucking girlfriend you're just paying me a load of money to sit here and occasionally suck your dick i mean that you know some marriages are built off that jerry hall and and uh what's his name uh the rupert murdoch you telling me that's love fuck off i bet she gets paid a big load of money and she has to suck his dick once a week job done that's like that's that maybe he

just makes it maybe he just makes it serious with her it's like this is my deals jerry you know you're gonna bloody cheat on me and i want once a week i want the pipes cleaned you know what i'm saying sweetheart yeah same arrangement with me it's fine it's weird though you never see like uh you never see like an like an 85 year old um woman walking down the street with like some young hot asian man you know what i mean but like on the flip side like more and more now you would if they were if would if we were living in a matriarchy, though, in the other way around. Maybe. If men didn't run all the companies and they don't have such power, you know. I mean, the female CEOs still only make up like a small percent, you know.

But I think it will turn around. I think we'd see it a lot more if, you know, there were more, you know, fair and more equality in our society. What I'm saying is, date old women, you know, basically. Go for it. You know, they need it. We need to level the playing field. If you're a young man and you're not thinking, damn, I'm lonely, just date up. You know, there's loads of old ladies who are looking for a sugar baby.

Old farts, you were going to say. Old farts. Loads of single old farts out there. You can't call an older lady an old fart though right i know i thought it and i almost call an old lady an old fart that's kind of rude that's my mom you're talking about yeah i could have been old farts why not it's fine it's fine i think it's fine to call an old man an old fart though anyway i think one of the issues would be, dare I say it, when it comes to having sex with someone for money,

forgive me for saying this, but when it comes down to the simple mechanics of it, that young dude's still got to get a boner to fuck a granny. That's got to be tough. There's over the counter medication for that. How long can you live that life? You'd be waking up at three in the morning with a boner still. What am I doing?

And there's this old lady sleeping next to you. Like that, her teeth in a glass next to the bed. And you just got a pocket full of pills and a boner. You know, that's not a life. But you're looking on your phone at all your money in your bank account. Do you know what I mean? You don't care. You take advantage of that old bitty.

If you had to sleep with an old woman or an old man though um i would take an i would say an old woman i take an old woman any day of the week i think old man what are you talking about man like oh you always i see what you're saying well but some old men are regardless you probably have to go through like a certification training in like a scammy warehouse somewhere do you know what i mean and actually you know make sure you i don't know go to the dentist and get your hair done and whatever do you know what i mean like these old men like they're not toby jug hoarding weirdos in a creepy basement you know it was all dingy they're all rich and fucking the sugar daddy you have to have a certain quality you have to show you've got like, I don't know, a Chevrolet or whatever,

you know. Yeah, one of those fancy cars like a Chevrolet. I don't know. An old one. A fancy looking old... They want a Lambo. That's what I'm thinking of.

Yeah, yeah. Old men aren't driving Lambos. Yes, of course they are. No, they're turning up in one of those Morris Miners with the open top. Oh, you're talking about actual old men. Or are you talking about sugar daddy old men

because if you go on a sugar daddy website and you advertise yourself as a sugar daddy and you're driving a Morris Minor good fucking luck good fucking luck

getting a hook up buddy I'm telling you what you better be very dashing or incredibly wealthy and just eccentric yeah exactly you just don't have to here's what I've got

for all the sugar babies out there who want a sugar daddy. I've got my Morris Minor here. Here's my bungalow. It's... It's... It's the world that we live in, honestly.

It's only about half an hour from the sea. It's very, very nice. As you can see in the front garden, it's got a bit of grass and old water in it. I do have a very small boat. I used to use it when i was a much younger man i haven't used it in about 30 years you can see it decaying in the front garden here um i'm a widower and i'm looking to get i'm looking to party let's go i've seen uh i saw this

this screenshot of a of a text conversation on a phone uh like like relating to tinder and it was this this i think i guess this girl said like oh um i woke up this morning and this was on my phone and it was a guy a guy texting her but basically just having this really weird conversation with himself because she was asleep and not responding but so the whole thing was just like hey how you doing like oh uh you know what's new like it starts off like pretty, pretty innocent. Like, what are you doing on here? Sort of thing.

And then it's like, he's like, oh, it'd be great to get together sometime. And like, you know, I could just like eat you out or whatever. But like, you don't have to do anything in return. It's cool. It's fine.

Like, you know, I just, just eat you out. Like, it progresses to like, you know, even if another guy just like finished in you or whatever, I would just eat you out like it progresses to like you know even if another guy just like finished in you or whatever i would just eat you out right after no problem if you want to just let me know it's just yeah it's like it's your friend man like i don't it's like a very specific thing but it's like sexting yourself it's so fucking odd man like i just don't i i can't ever

imagine having that conversation and like it's just so weird to see it out in the world you know somebody somebody woke up and checked their phone and all that was like come on this is crazy but do you think do you think part of the fantasy for these men is that they're sending this fantasy directly to the woman exactly which must be what i don't know it's like it's like flashing almost it's flashing yeah it's like sending a dick pic get it i just don't understand like but do you think in the back of their mind do you think in the back of their mind they're thinking she might go for it like they've honestly I think part of the

fantasy is that you're essentially like I said it is digital flashing without like dick pics are basically that but I think also this is like sending someone a sexy text and very heavy air quotes there around sexy okay it is you know they're getting

off while writing that but there must be a little part of their tiny brain that's saying there's a chance even if it's only 0.001 if i said this to a hundred people maybe i'll get a good response i bet they hate getting spam without realizing that they are themselves walking spam in every way people look like spam and they send spam most people as you know go through life and us included just thinking they're the center of the universe and they're the only person in the world and other people don't matter and certainly on the internet you know when you have a sort of a feeling of anonymity yeah good effort i can i can handle that word

uh you you you just do whatever you know you just go for it and people you don't think about the consequences of the people you've disgusted um waking up to your gross wrinkly old man dick and a picture of your morris minor um that's what i call my fuck's sake jeez i just i get the the the thing that's craziest to me is the the the the ego of men right especially like when they're when they're old or even even approaching old age or whatever like um how the like where do you fucking get off thinking that that a young person like it finds you attractive or or anything right if you're like 75 years old like how the fuck does that work in your mind like i don't i don't know how they formulate this you know what i mean like

i'm 41 and i'm sure nobody pays any attention to me like you know like i'm not even as old as them like i i when i'm when i'm their age i'm just gonna like grumpily kick a can down the the road knowing that nobody gives a fuck about me you know like how have they gotten to the point where they think that they're still like you know john travolta saturday night like uh fever you know with the fucking their shirt unbuttoned and stuff nobody's fucking we've answered this question on this podcast have we think back i'm thinking we spoke about in hollywood it's always a big old age gap between the man and the woman oh sure i know so i think that that gets important what i mean is just your everyday

everyday person right is you're saying where does that come from i think that fantasy is born out for oh it's a fantasy i see and it's like oh yeah that could be me oh shit so you're saying that because the age standard age gap that we see in Hollywood is about 30 years. Right. It's become normalized. You need to be 10 years older, right? Yeah, right. If you currently tried to date some hot young thing, they'd be 10, you know?

Oh, my God. So you have to wait 10 years, right? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's weird now. The hot young thing. You're not old enough to be an old man. You think you're an old man.

No, I don't think to be an old man you think you're an old man you know i don't think i don't think i'm an old an old man i'm saying that like i'm realistically preparing to be an old man right already with realism and yeah and common sense as part of that but maybe when we're old men we'll think the same way i don't think we will but it has been the case in movies and stuff that these old men are always buying younger women. Well, if Hollywood teaches you that it's okay, you know, then that's unfortunately what people, that's how people behave.

And that's how we get into so much trouble with these celebrities just doing stupid stuff because they think it's all right. Even unintentionally. Yeah. And so I think you have to, it's like most, it's like people fighting people in court or something or doing these things or feeling like they're somehow justified because they've seen it on the telly and they feel like that's how they're supposed to behave. You know, and then they end up get arrested, you know, for trying to fight the person who's being, you know, sentenced in court or whatever. And they end up doing prison and they're like, what's going on? He's the guy who killed my mom or whatever.

do in prison and they're like what's going on he used to go kill my mom or whatever do you mean but you know well you saw it on telly you thought it was okay to get all crazy and it's not you know i think that you know we we're constantly unaware of the lessons that we're learning from tv and sometimes very naive i watched um just before we uh we move on to other news and talking about, you know, TV and lessons learned on TV and stuff. I watched, I watched some old footage from 1969 of Fred Rogers from Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

legend. Speaking to the, the US. Oh yeah. That's such a good clip. Yeah. Trying to, trying to save uh pbs a public

broadcasting system from his local area which which was where his show was was aired but like i mean they made some money off other networks picking up the show and broadcasting it as well but he did this sort of like it was a passionate speech, but I think he was just a very passionate guy around the things that he believed in and stuff anyway. And, you know, he was saying that he was worried that, you know, kids were watching and getting things from TV that were not good and not meant for them. You know, they were seeing gunfights on TV. They were seeing, you know, drama, like aggressive drama and stuff like that. And he was sort of making the point that his show can provide a drama, but like, you know, where, you know,

children can realize that they have feelings and then use those feelings to then turn into like, you know, the men and women of the future and stuff. Right. And the start of his speech, basically you could tell that this this senator that was listening to him was just like this guy seems like a chump i'm just gonna right just gonna drag him over the hot coals here i'm just gonna let him have his two minutes and then dismantle him went from that to then becoming like a firm convert and he's like yeah i'm gonna give you 20 million bucks for the network it was so it's really fucking good man did like a full 180 you can't believe it's real yeah yeah

and but apparently the an interesting thing about this clip is that it goes viral every once in a while and more recently it's gone viral twice when mitt romney tried to tried to take away funding from PBS and there was a big backlash. And then beyond him as well, Trump tried to do the same thing and there was a big backlash once again as well. And that clip goes viral every time it happens because some people just remember how important it is for shows like Mr. Rogers to still be a thing and to be broadcasted.

And listen, you don't fuck with Mr. Rogers. You cannot fuck with Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers also, and I hope that this isn't one of those things that you say that age is like milk eventually or whatever. But he's one of the only people I can think of that had a full career to do with child, like children's mental health, children's wellbeing, you know, made shows for children that wasn't mired in any sort of controversy whatsoever. You know?

Yeah, they never found like a Fritzl dungeon. No, they never found a dungeon or some weird allegations or anything. He was always, as far as anybody could tell, just a good person with like a, you know, very genuine. It's incredibly sad that we have to mention that now because it seems like, you know. Yeah, well, so many people that, you know, like my parents will have remembered from being a kid or even we would remember from being a kid who have then turned out to just be um total total creeps well this is an exact example though of our perception from what we get in media and tv that anyone who's a

man who works with children is somehow a creep um because that's just how it is right whereas actually 99.99% of male teachers are not creeps I'm sure and as a result it's like we but we get that we get this delusion it's like why plane crashes are much more scary you know lots of people won't take planes because they're scared of them crashing whereas actually it's an exciting event-travel is the safest way to travel. Yeah. And so we get this false sense of reality from Hollywood. And it's dangerous to fall into the trap. And also, we should be aware of it. So that's why maybe, bloody, we need to sue the Queen's Gambit and make sure they're paying attention to what they're doing.

Good on you, Narnia Gaffer-Jashvili. I love that. Good for you. You did that really well. What aJashvili. I love that. Good for you. You did that really well. What a loop. I know. We were working up to this moment. The whole podcast, you didn't realize it.

The whole thing is mapped out carefully. Now your mind has exploded into millions of little... We need to hold them to account, especially now Netflix have bought all of Roald Dahl's books, which are mental. Yeah, I saw that. By the way. Yeah, they bought the whole shebang.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with that. Anyway, that is this week. Thank you for listening, everyone. It's been wonderful to have you joining us. And we will see you all next week. Be safe. Love one another. Be good to each other.

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