Triforce! - Triforce! #201: Sipsco Dirt is BACK

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

Triforce! Episode 201! Someone's been selling healing dirt on Sips' turf, Lewis has been watching documentaries about the Salisbury Poisoning and Pyrion talks passionately about the Dota Anime! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello. Good morning. Good morning. Welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Oh, blam. Blam. I'm feeling chipper this morning because I actually, I'm okay. I had my booster this week, Sips. Nice. And P-Flex had his yesterday. Nice.

Well, it's horrible. And he is not as chipper this morning. I feel awful. I feel awful. I had a terrible night's sleep. If you could call it sleep. Well, last night you did. Yeah.

So I had it yesterday morning. It was just a walk-in clinic. Like I just looked online looked online walk-in booster and there was one in teddington so i went down there and i turned up and within 15 minutes i was on my way like having had the job i love that you live somewhere close to teddington i know yeah that's amazing yeah teddington is nice yeah i gotta find a christington yeah lew move to somewhere close to Lewisham. Well, Lewisham, yeah. They could go to Lewisham. The problem is, they won't give me a discount on a house even though my name is Ted and I want to live in Teddington. I looked into it, they said no. I thought, you know, I'm going to get a big old discount

here because it's good. It's just good advertising for teddington you know yeah but they don't care no they don't care no but i went down there i got my jab and uh yeah it was it was really easy and i felt fine until exactly 9 15 last night which was almost exactly 12 hours after i'd had my jab yeah and i was playing uh ready or not it's like a swap five basically it's like i was playing it with some of the lads and it's like you know you go in like a swap team interesting yeah i heard it's a lot of fun yeah it's a lot of fun so we were playing that and then i suddenly felt fucking awful um and i was like oh my god so i i went i went to bed really early and i just could not fucking sleep woke up at like midnight and then i woke up at like half one and then like three and five just lying there for

like 45 minutes at a time sometimes an hour just trying to get back to sleep but no dice really reminded me of covid like the exact same feelings but a milder version this is like a horrible reminder what i was thinking so the first two boosters i had i didn't really have like a big reaction i felt a bit run down do you Do you mean when you had the actual vaccine? Sorry, the first two vaccines. No, no, he's just gone full booster. He's had three boosters. Five deep now.

He was just like too scared to get the full thing. So he thought, I'm just going to get boosters. Just a little boost me. Just want a little bit. I was like, you know, curled up, like shivering and like hot and cold. But it was like a really fucking cold night. It was one degree and my house was just freezing cold. And I was just in a state, basically.

I got up at three o'clock and I just thought, fuck, if this is even close to what COVID is like. It's horrible. Seriously, it's awful. It's so bad. So yeah, you yeah you gotta get your boosters guys and just suck it up because getting covid is no let them inject it don't suck it up i don't think it works that's a good point you need to have it injected so don't i saw a fucking um i saw i don't know where i saw this on reddit somewhere but donald trump and bill o'reilly or something awful man we're getting um we're doing something on i don't know where I saw this on reddit somewhere but Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly or something awful man we're getting um we're doing some thing on I don't know some stage show thing

where they were talking to the audience and they both sort of confirmed they had had boosters yeah and there was like a group of people in the audience who like jeered at them and I was like that is the state of America isn't it do you know i mean i think it's just the state of the world yeah honestly because we have people like that over here and when i was in romania there were anti-vax marches going on it's everywhere stupidity is spreading and lack of trust in anybody nobody trusts anybody like even people whose entire job is to study viruses and come up with vaccines don't trust them they're working for bill gates what the fuck are you guys talking about can we get back to being normal but we're not we're fucked now that's it people are like like i think i mean i'm we talk about this a lot like conspiracy theories

and mlms and idiots and flat earth and stuff like like this but the latest one i read this week that's multi-level marketing yeah but i mean mlms are kind of like government sanctioned scamming jimmy right they're kind of like they're kind of like pyramid schemes that are okay because only real idiots fall for them and it doesn't bother us well also one of them one of the bloody um members of congress or whatever is the amway or whatever so of course it's never gonna get shut down but i read this really cool article this week um which i'll i'll briefly read through okay now if you're interested about black oxygen organics okay which is dirt um it's it's marketed as like fulvic acid okay which is obviously um decayed plants like like? Right. Which is obviously decayed plants.

Like, it's a compound derived from decayed plants dug up from a peat bog in Canada, right? Okay, yeah. And so there was this sort of thing happening where you could buy four and a half ounces of dirt in a sleek plastic bag. This is very interesting. For $110. What's the dirt for? Somebody's actually selling dirt out there and it's not me?

Unbelievable. Like, that was my thing. I want it. I got to get in on this. It's a gift from the ground. You can drink it, wear it, you can bathe in it. It can be taken by anyone at any age, as well as animals. Do you think this bubble's burst yet?

Do you think there's time to get in on the dirt bubble? I've got some dirt in my garden. So do I. Yeah, we could sell dirt. I mean, Triforce branded souvenir dirt. Yeah. A hundred dollars a gram. Yeah.

This is something that seems natural, right? I don't know about dirt, but I'm assuming you're not supposed to eat it and drink it. You can spice it up. You can put some- If someone said, Lewis, you should eat some or drink some dirt, I would be like- You ever seen dirt with little like chunks of white stuff in it? Like, what are those? Little eggs or something?

Like, mm. You mean the little sort of styrofoam balls, it looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always like some- I think that's plant food. Oh, right. I think it's plant food. I think it's plant food. Which is quite weird because one of the main things that these guys claim it's good for is ridding the body of toxins that include heavy metals, pesticides and parasites.

Right, I know what this is going to do. I know how this works. I feel like dirt is likely to contain pesticides if you pesticides parasites and heavy metals right if you're doing gardening and you get a cut and you get dirt in it you've got to disinfect that dirt is rotten material you can get worms and all sorts of stuff all sorts it's really not stuff you want to put in your body so when they say if any first of all whenever anyone talks about harmful toxins and how you're going to shit it out your ass and like that's basically the dirt's gonna give you diarrhea you're gonna shit everywhere and they're gonna say no that's

normal that's all the toxins but i mean it's normal for me to have non-stop diarrhea honestly talking talking diarrhea here that's that's not out of the norm for me yeah it's constant it's a constant right now you know and when it's not a free gushing flow, there's a trickle. Like, you know, just a background trickle as well. Just seeping. Yeah. Jesus. I'm feeling like 12 diapers a day here.

It's insane. Diapers. It's because I'm a gamer. I can't leave. Got my gamer diaper on. My computer. Hey, I know it's early in the podcast, but I'm going to forget. I had a couple of emails that I would like to read.

This one guy, do you remember the stuff we did about Vimbos? We talked about Vimbos. I remember, yeah. He made a couple of Vimbos t-shirts. Oh, nice. And then there's a guy here, Peter, talking about leeches. Because I was saying, aren't you meant to fucking burn them off? Right. and he said

no if you're burning them it's likely to make it vomit or expel whatever bacteria is inside it into your bloodstream which can be dangerous so what you should do is just wait for them to finish because they don't drink much and they'll just drop off and you know go about their day

what if you're just don't bother them let them finish their meal what if you're so grossed out and uh uncomfortable with those things um sucking your blood though like you know what i mean i think it just goes tough enough depends how many there are as well doesn't it sip if you've got 50 leeches on you i mean if there's 50 leeches on me i'm i'm passing out like there's no yeah that's fair i'm i'm only gonna realize that that's a thing for a split second before i'm i'm out for the count you know wake me up when they're all gone pretty much um yeah that's a lot like one leech is is alarming enough 50 i'm i'm

having my my brain is something that they they don't like do you know what i mean like can you inject some like something into your bloodstream like like do you know what i mean like can you inject some like something into your bloodstream like like brussels sprout extract or something some fucking herbal some fucking remedy they probably don't like uh like orange peels or something like that you know is this to make the leeches drop off yes yeah it's to discuss them so much yeah i i i don't think so show them your show them your anime collection that'll that'll get them off inject some heroin or something and they'll get really high they'll get them sucking harder show them your collection of unopened original cut star wars

figurines uh in your in your mom's house that'll they're gone they're out of there they're not sticking around yeah yeah as soon as they see your mullet they're like oh fuck what are we sucking this nerd's blood for i don't want to turn into this weeb is it common for weebs to have mullets um i don't know i just i think they're they're so established now they've been around for a long time so yeah i'd say yeah you could get they come in all shapes and sizes now i think when people still have mullets i think the very first weeb was uh it has brought back the mullet for sure yeah i always imagine like my quintessential weeb is uh napoleon dynamite's brother remember uh kit in uh napoleon dynamite

you guys remember yeah no that's what i Yeah. No. That's what I imagine. Napoleon, shut up. Yeah, that's what I imagine they all look like. But maybe I'm wrong about that. Like I said, you know, it's 2022. Like this is, they've been around for a while. So I'm sure that they've, you know, evolved, I guess. We're using weeb as a kind of derogatory term. It's not really, it's more just uncool, we mean.

You know, someone that the TikTok using leech would not want to be associated with. Yeah. Leeches. That's what these MLMs are. But yeah, so I'll take us back onto this thing. So basically what happened was it tended to be a specific group of people, basically kind of these alternative health seekers.

What, MLMs? And who were buying this mud. The dirt. Oh, the dirt. The dirt, yeah. Yeah. And so, it's kind of like, it was obviously embraced by the anti-vax and COVID deniers who were all very much like, oh, you know, these days, our kids don't play outside and

eat dirt, so you should buy them some dirt from Oh, so you buy them they they eat it and then they can turn around say that they've played outside Yeah, it always worries me that there's the idea that somebody could be buying over Buying a 110 dollar bag of dirt and then serving it giving it to their kid like a smoothie. Right? Yes It's quite scary. I feel so bad for the kids whose parents are this dumb. It got picked up amongst these internet subcultures that sort of kind of embrace the fringe supplement,

like mixed martial art groups and general just fake cure places on the internet where people are, it's targeting people who are vulnerable and sick and are looking for something to help them. Yeah. And I think that it's one of these things with the sounds could be especially since it's spun into this idea that it's black organic oxygen or fulvic acid or any of these, you know, that sound they sound like real things that you need. Like you need folic acid. Sure, if you're pregnant or whatever. That actually sounds like something you need. But fulvic acid, it's actually just nothing, and it's not good for you,

and there's no evidence that it's any good. And obviously what happens is these people who do these things, this isn't the first time they've done this, right? They set up some scam company selling some, I mean, literally dirt. You can't think of anything i mean i i literally i mean what else could be worse than that like like recycled plastic what's cheaper than literal shit you dig off the surface of the ground that's like moldy leaves and shit like well what is what is cheaper than that like it's so astonishing tell you what's cheaper than that bad rats on steam like it's the ultimate Like, it's so astonishing. I'll tell you what's cheaper than that. Bad Rats on Steam.

Like, it's the ultimate. It's so cheap. It's like those gutter merchants selling penny toys back in the Victorian era or whatever. That's Bad Rats. That's the modern day. It's Bad Rats on Steam. I own it, but I've never played it. Monica Wong first learned about black organic oxygen in May.

The 39-year-old was scrolling Facebook and saw an ad with a woman in a bright green shirt emblazoned with a marijuana leaf holding a sign that said, Fuck Big Pharma. She had been looking for such a product to detox heavy metals for her boyfriend and herself. And a little internet research, obviously not enough enough convinced her that it would be worth it she bought some black organic oxygen for two months she dissolved half a teaspoon of dirt in a glass of water and drank it every day but unlike people in her facebook group who posted miraculous testimonials of cured diseases weight loss clearer skin whiter teeth regrowing hair reclaimed energy expelled worms and even changes

in eye color from brown to blue didn't feel like any toxins were leaving her body and started having stomach pains oh i think i think that isn't the whole toxins thing absolute bollocks as well i mean with all those people reporting huge success she must just be an outlier right like there there's you know she's just had she was just unlucky she just had a bad experience maybe she needs to take more yeah you say that but this company black oxygen organics shut down in november just spoilers oh sorry all right but i mean the point is it doesn't matter because they did that's what they do they they make a lot of money and they shut it down and make a new one and then sell something else. This guy, Mark St. Onge, is an entrepreneur from Ontario

who's sold mud in various forms since the 90s. He's been selling mud for 30 years. I know, he's been selling dirt for 30 years. Is he still going strong? Apparently. Nice. Yeah. Incredible. He's been selling dirt for 30 years. Is he still going strong? Apparently. Nice. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just this whole scam.

I mean, it really kind of like, it's part of the whole world we're living in now where it's kind of like, it's kind of hard to get real information though, right? Because no one trusts anyone, apparently. No one trusts the government. No one trusts anyone apparently no one trusts the government no one trusts pharmaceutical companies everyone no one trusts like the president should you i mean it's kind of so isn't part of like what you're doing on the internet searching for specific information that but like i'm not i'm not sure how to explain this because it's like a psychology thing but

people find like what they want to find or read what they want to read sort of thing like you deep down in your in your mind you're looking for some sort of information that backs up what you think right like you you'll skip a whole bunch of other articles if they don't match up. Confirmation bias. Yeah. But that's it's a big thing, right? Like it's apparently that's a big part of the psychology of Googling stuff and looking stuff up or whatever. Like I don't think about that when I'm looking up something. You know, if I look up something, I genuinely just either need to find out more about it or I'm trying to figure something out or whatever.

But apparently that's a huge, huge part of it. Like people will skim through result after result after result and dismiss all the ones that don't meet up with whatever it is that they're trying to prove to themselves. You know what I mean? So if you're reading a bunch of weird shit on the Internet, it's presumably it's you you want to be there and you you believe this stuff you want to read this you you need to find other people who believe it as well to empower you into believing it more sort of thing it's mad though we could literally start like a farm that um you know i've heard that there's these uh there's these snakes right that produce this oil and it can be like really good for you it can like if you regenerate your skin

yeah yeah snake oil so we're gonna sell snake oil yeah and i'm announcing today the triforce snake oil literal i mean it's not a it's it's not a new concept all right this stuff that this stuff has been around for yeah people have been using snake oil for hundreds of years. Well, and different, you know what I mean? And a lot of people have said that it's been very helpful to them. Yes. The testimonials don't lie. There's tons of testimonials for hundreds of years.

Fuck yeah. People have been selling snake oil for ages. There must be something to it. Oh, there is. Well, that's the thing. There is something to it. You know, anytime someone lists themselves as a serial entrepreneur, I always assume that they're just selling mud or snake oil of some kind.

Yeah. Because if you were an entrepreneur and you hit a successful-preneur, right? That's what you'd be doing. You wouldn't have to continue to be setting up more shitty companies selling mud or fucking crocodile teeth or whatever for help. I think anyone who refers to themselves as an entrepreneur is probably a cunt. That's my first instinct as well. I fucking hate that.

Because it basically means that they think that they've got all these great ideas. I just gotta update my Twitter bio quickly. I just hate it. I'm a serial entrepreneur. I just can't help setting up businesses. But if any of you are any good, they take up more of your time homie why are you spending so much time saying i'm new ones it's because you they all suck they all suck is what it is oh god i i don't i don't mind people being an entrepreneur but i think there is a certain element of ego with that isn't

there like that people wear a suit on a on a day off know, they go to the pub, they're wearing smart casual. They got the khakis on. Yeah. They got their haircut just done, right? They got teeth and eyes. This whole thing, this idiot who runs it or whatever his name is, Mark, Mark. Saint-Ange.

What's his name? Saint-Ange. Mark Saint-Ange. Mon petit oiseau. You know, he has been, even in 1989, was fined and sanctioned for practicing medicine without a license. You know, he's not got, he's not even, he's been doing this for 30 years without any education in medical, any medical. In fact, he was told off for doing it 30 years ago and it's still going i like i i i'm impressed by his like just insane idiotic blind drive to scam and injure people jameen he he is hurting he has been hurting

people for 30 years this guy yeah and what a cunt like honestly oh it annoys me so much people are so awful and blind and don't understand the damage they're doing but they think that but he somehow deluded himself it's almost like i don't know these people who run a mega church and do the sort of faith healing like that guy that there has 750 million dollars what's his name it's like kenneth fucking yeah the guy who's munger or something yeah and he looks like the devil anyway i mean why do these guys not even try and look like benevolent nice people they all look awful as well it's like it's like the evil is into their appearance it's like they even look

like the like bad guys it's kind of crazy i googled ken church guy and he was the first result so other people have said what's that fucking guy ken something is a church guy yeah but he he's he's just a fucking piece of shit i don't understand people believe him and follow him though yes why do we not shut these guys down like with some proper like authority authority do you know i mean i'm all for i'm all for elected someone who's gonna just put all these guys away well a lot of a lot of the people that are elected he's probably pays a lot of them in the first place right like i would have thought i mean especially if he in america right it's true it's probably a lot of it's probably if he has a lot

of support and has a lot of money then some of that money must make its way back to people to to help keep him where he is right like that's good yeah i think that's roughly how it works i mean don't quote me on that but yeah i know we're not we're not american this is not but it's the problem is we get so much of their culture and we sort of feel very influenced by americans and america and the things that happen in america tend to happen here as well but on a lesser scale yeah you know there's certainly people i know who've joined mlms or at least like lost some money or you know i don't know bought a few boxes of this you know from these various scentsy or whatever shitty fucking yeah yeah um mlms are going around at the moment

well i don't know they just feel very well, on a lighter note and relating back to your point about American culture seeping in over here. One thing that Jersey particularly does not have, has not inherited from America, is a drive-thru. And there are times where I'm just thinking to myself, God, I would love a drive-thru. You know what I mean? I would just love to do a drive-thru have had a renaissance of overcovers just a coffee or something you know the weather is terrible i don't want to get out of my car there's there's new drive-thrus opening i went to a mcdonald's drive-thru last week with smith on the jingle jam we don't have any drive-thrus here not not even one. Do you miss it?

Do you want to? The thing is, like, there's like maybe like one time a year, I think like, oh, I would love a drive-thru because, you know, it's like pouring rain or something and I'm thirsty. Wait, I've got a question. For the most part, I never think about it. This is important. When you guys get a drive-thru, do you eat it in the car park in your car? Do you know what? I've never gone to a drive-thru and driven through it myself

because I learned how to drive when I moved to Jersey. I never learned how to drive when I was in Canada. So my experience driving in Canada is nil. Like I've gone back to visit and I've driven there since. It was kind of a more luxurious experience

for you as a drive-thru-ee. Yeah took my uh my wife and kids through the drive-thru when we went to visit a couple of years ago right um and then we ate in the car after but we didn't get a full meal though we just got like a frosty from wendy's right you go to the driven through not the drive through you are driven yes well historically yes right did you rent a car when you were in canada yeah i did yeah yeah what was it like driving on the other side of the road for the first it was all right honestly it wasn't too bad you get used to it the roads are really really big over there too like much much bigger than in the jersey proof so it's yeah there's a couple of different um things though like you can you can turn right on a red light in Ontario, I think, but maybe not in other provinces or something.

But turning right on a red light is is a thing. And yeah, there's a couple of times where I didn't do it and people were like honking at me, but I just didn't feel comfortable doing it because I didn't know what the fuck was going on, you know. But other than that that it was fine yeah i like that because it's so weird because you're a native but you're not in a sense like you know if they if they stopped you and i'm like what are you doing you can't say i'm foreign yeah you'd be like oh yeah yeah it's like i mean like yeah that's that's that's kind of cute yeah i like that it was but it was fine though like i think like i was over there for just over a week and drove, like, pretty much every day. You have to.

It's a big place. But, you know, it takes no time at all to feel comfortable driving. It's not too bad. And they got these huge highways, just these long stretches where you just, you know, you don't even really need to think while you're driving. Which, I guess, could be a problem. But, you know, it wasn't. So, it was all right drive past the peat bog where they got all the fucking dirt from that they were selling yeah yeah we just went in and got uh just just filled up you know just wanted

to make sure that um got a good deal on it and um you know just so that i can um couple spoonfuls a day you know just to get my teeth white and grow some hair back it turns out they sent some they sent some for analysis and it had it was exceeding the limits for arsenic and lead yeah so do not eat the people yeah it's literally poison just wanted to reiterate that at the end in case you in case you somehow thought that we hadn't done our research no look it's it's poison do your research do not eat it um i watched the um documentary bbc documentary this not documentary wasn't documentary at all it was like a docudrama about the salisbury poisonings oh gosh man you're on a roll today yeah oh you know um the the novichok yeah that they used the russians to poison a couple of these people yeah uh salisbury it was it was quite i i guess i don't know why i hadn't really

followed it or like i wasn't really aware of it at the time it's a disgrace it was a disgrace they sent people over here to kill people in our country and then we were like oh we didn't do it and they absolutely fucking did they get away with it all the time bloody russian government well i was so obviously what happened was if you don't know it was quite an interesting thing because there were these these two folks who apparently it happens all over the world all the time that but we this one happened we happen to notice you know because it's quite unusual that you would test for nerve agents right yeah like if if you if you spray someone with a nerve agent they usually dead very quickly and of and you wouldn't necessarily think to test for that right as well like it you hear about there was wasn't wasn't there were north koreans

who was sprayed in an airport or something yeah yeah it was someone's cousin like it was like kim jong-un's cousin or something like that did it what was just sprayed a nerve agent yeah but it was on some guy oh geez i don't as you might know what the hell does it do to you just like you just have like a catastrophic stroke or something like you die i mean it's like you attacks your uh your nervous system i guess your heart stops. All right. Basically, it cuts the nerve signals between your brain and the rest of your body. All right, so you just shut down immediately. All your organs just shut down immediately. They don't give them a little beep to tell them to do their thing.

A little perfumey spray bottle can kill thousands of people. And it persists when you spray it on surfaces for up to 50 years you know this stuff does not decay um it's it's around for forever and what you what the danger with this novichok was that they sprayed it on a door handle uh this this these russians door and so obviously when they closed the door they got poisoned with it right but then everyone else who came to visit that house then and touched the door handle they would have been poisoned is it like wear off after a while or something like no oh so it's just there forever but the other problem is if they touch the door handle and then touch something else like the

light switch if someone else comes and touches that light switch then they get poisoned as well right so so they had to do a big cleanup yeah how do you clean all that up you just put tons and tons and tons of shit in a vault so they put like 30 cars a helicopter 10 ambulances like literally like the entire walls and contents of like multiple houses and buildings like azizis just got stripped down back to the walls like every table every glass everything because they can't test every single surface and see where everyone has touched and see where it is that's safer just to put everything okay another question i've been doing the been doing the prescribed dirt treatment a couple of teaspoons a day um yeah will i still be affected by the nerve agent

oh no it makes you okay good good good good it makes? Oh, no. It makes you- Okay, good, good, good, good. It makes you- Oh, I'm going to sleep well tonight. You could just glug down that perfume bottle of nerve agent and you'll be fine. Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, was assassinated with VX nerve gas at Kuala Lumpur National Airport in 2017. Yeah. The eldest son of Kim Jong-il, the leader of North Korea from 1994.

So that's the way to do it nowadays. You don't need a sniper or anything anymore. That's how you take somebody out. Just like a little bit of nerve agent. Well, see, here's the thing. The Novichok stuff was developed by the Russians, right? The Novichok group of nerve gas agents and whatever. Yeah, Novichok actually means noob. Yeah, means noob so i don't know why but basically if it's that you know who it's

come from right if i shoot you well geez you know anyone can shoot anybody but access to these nerve agents basically means you're almost guaranteed to be a government of some kind so it's kind of stupid to do it unless you deliberately want to send a message saying, hey, in your base killing your dudes, you know, it was definitely us. Because, you know, if it's a Russian nerve agent, oh, I wonder if the Russians did this. Killed a Russian. There were Russians in the town. It does feel like they are happy to shout about it, though. It almost feels like one of Putin's mind games.

What are you going to do about it? What are we going to do about it? Are we going to invade Russia? Because this is the whole thing with Ukraine. I was reading about this over the last few days. Obviously, he's setting up to invade and we're saying, please don't do that and all sanctions. But we

can't really put too many sanctions in because we need their gas, right? There's a pipeline that runs all the way from Russia, all the way through Germany, all the way to us. We need the gas. We need the Russian gas. Without it, we'll have a very, very, very cold winter. He knows that. So if he rocks up on the border of Ukraine and says, I wonder if we're just doing exercises

here, but he's brought like a fucking all his lads. He's literally A-clicked to the ground and all his lads have come steaming down here. All of his lads. There's Dave, there's Dennis. All of them. Kevin's there. And all of it. All the anti-air stuff.

You don't just bring that along for an exercise and then take it back he didn't attack move and a and a rally point how many barracks is he working with here dude is rocking like 30 barracks shit and um what's his uh gold and lumber at right now oh he's i have no idea a lot okay well yeah but but the thing is from their perspective we have been adding new nato members further further east every few years, chucking people in. If Ukraine gets into NATO, that basically means that what the Russians see as their mortal enemy, NATO, is on their fucking doorstep. It's no different, really, from when the Russians put missiles in Cuba. They're literally, the Americans are like, you can't go there. That's right next door to us.

And that's literally what we're doing to the Russians. So you can understand their point of view. We just got to figure out a way of turning that NATO into a Yato for the Russians. I just think it's a bit mad that we assume, I get it. I think he's a bad guy. Why don't Russia just join? Yeah. Why? Because they're- They got kicked out of the G whatever, right, for invading Ukraine in the first place. They don't trust us. Who has invaded the Russians over the centuries?

Hitler. The French? The Germans? Napoleon and Hitler. And look how well they went. Right. But the point is, they see the West as the aggressor. No one's going to invade Russia.

I mean, not anymore. That's what people thought back in the day and they did no but well but that was i mean do it once you know sure shame on shame on me do it again do it twice shame on you twice shame on you shame on hitler shame on hitler so yeah i just think it's weird the way we we assume that they're doing this just to be dickheads but you've got to look at it from their perspective. The only solution really is that we just don't let Ukraine into NATO. I'm not being funny, but if we did that, that is akin to if Ireland joined the Warsaw Pact,

you know, from our perspective. It's like, no, don't do that because they're right next door to us, you know, and that's the way they see it. So I just think it's more complicated. What's the status of Ukraine now? Because I thought that Russia annexed them a couple of years ago. No. There was this whole thing about a region doing a referendum

where they were like, we want to be Russian. And so obviously they voted. The idea was that they annexed it, but it was like a piece of annexation because they wanted to be Russian anyway a piece of annexation because they wanted to be russian anyway right or that's that's the that's the elections as i understand it the the election or the votes that they had was there was widespread fraud um that was one of the the arguments and they were saying oh of course you're gonna say that because you lost you know and they they need crimea and that area because otherwise essentially, Russia doesn't have access to a warm water port.

Everything freezes over in the winter and their navy gets stuck. Right. But, yeah, it's mad. It's mad. And if they did invade it, what would we do? If Ukraine was in NATO, we would have to fight because the whole ethos of NATO is an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. So if Germany got attacked, we would all be at war with whoever had attacked Germany. A bit like in Hearts of Iron, you're in a faction. We're in NATO, the Russians are in Russia, and I guess they've got a few allies and stuff, but we've been gradually creeping- Fucking everyone's in bloody NATO. All of Lithuania and Estonia and Latvia are in NATO, Turkey's in NATO, Poland and... What's that fucking... Is it Romania? Fuck, I don't know.

I can't know. It's a lot. These are all on Russia's border. There's a lot of them. So from their perspective, we're gradually creeping up to their border. And then what? I mean, I don't think there's ever going to be an attempt by the West to invade Russia. But why should they believe that?

It also helps, I think, if you're a politician like Putin, to present this strong siege mentality kind of, we will defeat the evil forces of NATO. Look, they're creeping right up on us. We've got to be strong, you know. It promotes a sort of strength within the country to hold off the evil Western invaders. Maybe that's a part of it too, but...

Russia ain't invaded us. We invaded them. That's their perspective. I'm sure I'll get some fucking emails about this. I don't give a shit. I'm not feeling well. If I was wrong about something something fuck you i'm sick yeah yeah that's his excuse it's obviously his prerogative it's it's history though too right to some extent i mean there's these like the like i think i think a lot of these hits on people were just things that were hanging around for a long time they were like oh you know we put a hit out on this sir guy scrippal back in 1989

and we've been hunting him down ever since. And it's like, you know, it just comes up to some of this, oh, we got an opportunity to kill him. Should we do it? Or they're like, well,

still on the hit list. Let's get him. And, you know, they just fucking do it. I don't think there was any, certainly with Sergei Skripal, it was a long time after he defected

and done this sort of spy stuff, or at least it seemed to be. And I think, you know, like I said, people have been knocked off all over the world. But it's quite worrying because what happened a month later. So obviously what happened was these two people were killed. They actually quite quickly realised it was weird. And then one of the policemen fell ill immediately. And he was the one who had gone to the house oh they were like okay this is this is weird uh there must be some sort of agents being

used especially since when they googled his name they found out that he was you know a soviet agent or x like double agent whatever it was and so they they were sort of on high alert and then but they didn't really know where it had come from, who had done it, anything like this or any of the kind of things. So they just sort of sealed off and like, like just vaulted all of the crime scenes in the areas that they'd been and everything sort of made the place very safe. And then a month later, two more people got poisoned in Amesbury,

which is like near to Salisbury. And it turns out that they had found... Originally, the news around it was that they had been drug users and they touched a vial or a syringe or something because people assumed that it would be in one of them. And they wouldn't have known if the guy hadn't survived. So, a guy and his wife or his girlfriend she unfortunately died um and he said that what he'd done is he'd found in like a bin a sealed bottle of like fancy perfume what are you doing knobbing about in a bin well i think i think he was one of these like bin divers and he found yeah just don't bend he found like this really cool bottle of perfume in there yeah and some dirt

you know it's good for you dirt anyway he found this really cool bottle of perfume in there and some dirt. You know, it's good for you, dirt. Anyway, he found this fancy bottle of perfume, gave it to her for a present. She sprayed it on. It was like, oh, weird. It doesn't smell of anything. Wait, so he just found a bottle in the trash and she just sprayed it on herself? Well, it was sealed, though. Yeah, but what are you doing?

It's coming out of a bin. Don't put bin perfume on. I a bin i'm with you on this if i found a can of cider in the bin unopened even if i hadn't been open i'm not gonna drink it it's bin cider what's wrong with like a lot of people a lot of supermarkets throw out perfectly good stuff p flex then this isn't a supermarkets don't throw out bottles of fucking high value perfume that supermarkets throw out dangerous nerve agents for me though like uh and maybe i'm like privileged or out of touch or something but if it's been in the bin i'm not having it i'm not consuming it i'm not touching it it's been in the bin no i mean maybe i'm conditioned or something but it's just

no that's called common sense it Chris. That is common sense. It's trustworthiness, in my opinion. I'm just... It's been in the bin! Yeah. What are you doing? Certain people can't fucking help it. If you had a skip outside your house right now

and you started putting shit in there, people would go over, they'd have a little peek, they'd be like, ooh, it's right at a table. That's a perfectly good table. That would take them at home. But you're not eating a a table it's in there with all of my baby's shitty diapers and stuff if i put a fucking chocolate eclair on top of it who's fishing that out yeah it's a bin eclair it's it's been in a skip what if it was a sealed chocolate eclair with like an expiry date on it and stuff yeah there's no way just don't just don't it's rubbish anyway this they think that that was

it's possible that that was the source and i i i don't say i'm not saying i like that but i i feel that that makes sense to me like if you were uh like an intelligence service you'd want to disguise your nerve agent in a little bottle sealed of some sort of fancy perfume right or some spray a little spray bottle where you can get it out and spray it on someone's face yeah and then you got them i think you need to be smarter about it though like uh you don't put it in something that somebody in the world has a chance of ever using like i think yeah but you gotta make it look like something normal yeah yeah it needs to look normal but it has to be something normal that nobody wants to use for

example how about some uh links some ham and pineapple uh pizza flavored lube right you know nobody's gonna use that ham and pineapple pizza lube ham and ham and pineapple flavored lube yeah i think if you found a bottle of lube in the bin if you found that bottle of lube. Ham and pineapple flavored lube. Yeah, I think if you found a bottle of lube in the bin. If you found that bottle of lube and it was cheese, ham and pineapple pizza flavored, you'd be like, nope, that's not the one for me. But you've got to like sneak it through security. And if they've got like, if you've got your cheese, ham and pineapple lube, that's kind of going to maybe raise eyebrows.

No, it's not. It's not though. That's perfect. You're going to be like, oh, you're going to have a good weekend, aren't you, buddy? And you're going to be like, yeah. And then when you need to dispose of the nerd agent, you chuck it in the bin and nobody's going to- Nerd agent.

Nobody's going to touch that. Nobody wants that. Nerd agent. Right? But it looks legit too, right? Because you'd see that- It's like Game of Girl bathwater is nerd agent. too right because you see that game of girl bath water yeah you'd see that and you'd be like holy shit i can't believe somebody would buy this but i'm not touching it and then everybody'd be safe amen brother i should be a consultant to the

government honestly like they can pay me a ton of money i got good ideas like come on let's do it let's make it happen i guess it's like so different in a sense that i mean we are living in this time where everyone is wearing masks and very careful but kovit doesn't stick around on surfaces very long it's like like like 12 hours or something that was one of the early uh yeah they were saying yeah you had to like sanitize boxes that you got delivered and stuff like that because they thought it could exist on surfaces cardboard and stuff but i don't i don't know if that was a thing i just said 12 hours but i made that up i don't know whether it even does the six round at all you made that up um you fucking asshole that's irresponsible some people seek this out for information and you're you're just lying you're just making it up just and admitting to it as well don't admit to it if you're gonna lie do not admit it okay no it says between two hours and

nine days right so it depends on the type of surface temperature humidity and strain of the virus so it can uh so if it's on a plate of uh of living breathing human skin or whatever. Up to 24 hours on cardboard but 72 hours on plastic. So that actually is... I thought that they turned around and said that that was not even a worry, that people shouldn't worry

about that. No, I don't think it is. I think mostly it is spread via... Yeah, airborne, right? Apparently, if you've been shopping, there's no need to sanitize the outer packaging of food. Moisture particles in the air, right? That's the big one. A particle of purest moisture.

It's mostly spread by people, though, touching hands with each other. Can we, just before we wrap up, I've been watching season two of The Witcher, and I've enjoyed it so far. It's all right. It's not...

I wouldn't say it's incredible, but it's fine. I think this is the general perspective. People are like, great acting, doing their best with a fucking pretty garbage story. Yeah. Yeah. I think Henry Cavill, very much like The Witcher, carries the whole fucking thing on his shoulders and does a great job with not very much. the Witcher, carries the whole fucking thing on his shoulders and does a great job with not very much.

Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like when you watch like Benedict Cumberbatch make the best of like being in a bad movie. It's like, oh, this is shit, but he's doing good for that. I don't know if I just have bad taste or low standards, but like, I mean, if it's entertaining enough, like I'm fine with it. Like, I won't think about it again. I mean, that was kind of like The Witcher Season 1 was a bit like that as well.

It was like, it wasn't winning any fucking awards. No, it was just fine. But I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was all right. I'm just a bit surprised that they kept the same bad people for the second season. Which one? Well, the writers, I guess. The same.

They were like, oh, well, I know everyone has said the writing's bad, but let's just keep them on. They've obviously got a plan. Yeah. I assume that's what happened because, obviously, I feel like The Witcher is succeeding despite itself. Yeah. Whereas some other things are, you know, failing despite being good.

There's a Fallout series coming out on Prime at some point, I think. Oh, yeah? Yeah, they're apparently working on it, but I don't know. Could be good. It could be total dog shit. I guess it's just going to go either way. There's a Halo series in the works as well. Is this the new thing?

Do you think it's going to be video game adaptations? Well, I mean, it's not be video game well a lot of adaptations it's it's not a bad shout because a lot of games i mean we've we've all played our fair share of games for sure but a lot of game worlds are pretty interesting and i think i think the problem with a lot of game worlds is that there's a lot of interesting ideas but just really bad writing there's not not not not a heck of a lot of good right i'm not saying every game there's some games that are written extraordinarily well but i'd say a lot of them aren't um but it seems like a good thing to to take an interesting concept and actually just

write it well and make it make it watchable and honestly these these worlds like Halo have clearly got huge amounts of really cool backstory and interesting characters. And almost like it'd be hard not. I mean, this happened with the Warcraft movie. They picked a really shitty thing to make a movie of from the Warcraft universe. Yeah. Of all the things they could have chosen. Look at the fucking Dota cartoon. They literally think the most

boring hero possible was it is it all about dragon knight and why yeah it's fucking dragon knight and it's like you've got a bunch of boring heroes i think drow is in it i think marana is in it where's my where's your venos where's your tinies where's your pudges maybe they're coming like in a later season though you know i want to see the cool dota heroes that are fun and have cool spells just think like where's chin problem with the problem where is that anime was that what you have is with dota you have this amazing melting pot with multiverse characters coming in you've got zeus and pudge and all these fucking crazy ass things all blended together. And what they do is they make a sort of gritty, farmy, fantasy, shitty world with a guy hunting dragons that aren't even really in.

It's not like he's killing a dragon that is one of the other characters in Dota. He's not hunting down Jakiro, which would have been, you know, he's literally fucking just killing random dragons. And it's the same old story trope of, oh, the village is under attack by dragons we need a dragon hunter oh luckily i'm one and uh i'll come and kill those

dragons who cares move the village move the dragons here nobody would live there just pack up there's loads of space that people aren't using this is a fucking wilderness you're living in some fucking bkbs for all the villagers problem solved am i right uh the way the game is going anyway so uh very good yeah just type gg ff in chat and then fucking move on with your life again in another village whereas the fucking league of bloody legends cartoon is meant to be really good okay it's brilliant it's really good i'm still not gonna watch it i don't know if that's necessarily tied to it doesn't feel as like any anything like the game right but that's okay it's still really good um but yeah like halo i just think that i think that we i've talked about this before a little bit but there will there was this sort of spate of bad movies like the we've

talked about malt combat and street fire and stuff like this and i think people will put off the and the mario brothers movie right people will put off that kind of video game movie thing but then i think the lego movies i think will they will the start on the transfer was movies where the start of brands were like bam let's get back on yeah this is it's it's a big money spinner and it does work if you do it right and consider this lewis superhero movies used to be shit oh fuck and sometimes still are pflex dc have really struggled haven't they yes the marvel the marvel franchise has been very consistently good the new spider-man was really good i mean i haven't seen it but here's the thing is that they found out they found out how to make decent superhero movies the people involved you

know they they cracked it how can we make a fun movie that still feels like a comic book movie has superheroes and shit like that they figured it out people are going to figure out how to make good video game movies at some point yeah i think so or like uh i i think i i think uh of all of them but for me personally i think a fallout series could work really well like uh like the fallout games have a really interesting environment like you know multiple um backstories you know there's one big event but you can have different parts of the world different stories you know what i mean like it there's there's a lot that they could do with it whether they're going to or not is the you know is the is the million dollar question i guess but it'd be interesting to see i i feel like again i feel like if if if and if one of them is going to

be good it should be something like fallout because it you know what i mean it's all there's already so many interesting ideas and stuff there from the games that would translate perfectly into a tv show or movie agreed so we'll see halo i don't know i don't i've never really played halo so i'm not overly aware of like any of the stories around halo or whatever like obviously like i i recognize like the the guy from halo and stuff like that but i don't know i think it's very mass effecty i've never really not really got into it particularly in fact i think the whole halo story has gone pretty fucking fucked up over the years. But, you know, Mass Effect, again, that could be, I would watch that as a TV show. I think the Mass Effect universe is pretty interesting.

Like, not all of the games have been incredible. No, I like sci-fi and big alien constructions in space and the whole Doom Marine going around blowing aliens up. Man, I loved Mass Effect 2. the whole the whole doom marine going around blowing aliens up it's um man i loved it mass effect 2 was so it was i think mass effect 2 is one of the only games that i've ever like i finished it and then immediately restarted and played it through again well why don't you treat yourself to playing a game that you love from from from history go on why don't you why don't you get it out give it a go why don't you play fallout 76 oh man don't tempt me i mean i've been toying with the idea like apparently it's it's improved a lot that never rolls out though does it no it's a lot it's not as shit as it was is not really a review

but i will say on the on the flip side to that you did eventually really enjoy no man's sky it did yeah i i tried many times the last time i played it i really enjoyed it it was great i watched you play it a little yeah it's uh it is surprisingly good fun it's a good love your own like capital ship and stuff oh it's so fun all right thank you p flax love you go and get some rest and go back to bed wrap yourself in a blanket i'm gonna and stay stay warm. This podcast is going out after Christmas. So I hope everyone

had a good Christmas. And in fact, I hope you have a good new year. Because this will be going out for a happy new year. And the next podcast we record will be in the new year. In 2022,

we're going to be all fresh. We're going to have new ideas. We're not going to talk about the same things that we've talked about before. So expect a great big episode on the next generation. Yeah, I have got a few ideas. I have got at least one idea that we can try out, if you like.

Good. That's more than usual. I had a cool idea that I wanted to do. So we'll see whether that happens. All right. Take it easy, everyone. See you next week. Bye.

Bye. Bye. do so we'll see whether that happens okay all right take it easy everyone see you next week