Triforce! - Triforce! #203: The Worst Stories Ever Written

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

Triforce! Episode 203! Pyrion uncovers some gruelling tales from the Italian Ethiopia war, we stand in reverence to the "lifers" of Soap Operas, we try to find some legendary best sellers like Fly Fis...hing by J. R. Hartley! Go to http://manscaped.com and use code TRIFORCE to get 20% off with free shipping. Visit http://joinhoney.com/TRIFORCE to get Honey for free. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:15 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Thank you for joining us. We made it. Yeah. It's 2022. One more time another year uh done another year over chalk that one up turn the page another one just begun yeah on a new horizon yeah um period yes how are you feeling you're feeling you're feeling good feeling very good i've had a i've had a good week it's just been just one of those weeks where decent things happened it was all very, very chill.
Starting point is 00:01:46 The kids that went back to school. But prior to that, you know, we had a nice time chilling out. They were very relaxed. I think they had a really good Christmas. We saw the new Spider-Man movie, which was really good. Really enjoyed it. Amazing. Watched the Hawkeye miniseries on Disney Plus, which was...
Starting point is 00:02:03 What? MASH? Sadly not. No, this is Hawkeye as in... Hawkeye Pierce. Not Hawkeye miniseries on disney plus which was what mash no sadly not no this is hawkeye as in uh hawkeye pierce not hawkeye not hawkeye pierce no this was man like why where's the mash reboot in 2022 i know like for real i i think it like we i was talking about this on stream oddly enough the other day about the korean war and pretty much the only thing that i can think of and i'm sure we'll have some some responses this, the only piece of media I can think of that really covers the Korean War is MASH. Yeah, I think so, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:30 I think that's it. Like, I'm sure there have been some movies here and there, but nothing major. It is often called the Forgotten War because it was incredibly violent. It was, yeah. The Korean War. Like, it was not just a little skirmish, it was like a full on baffles and all sort of stuff. A full scale full scale yeah it was horrible ah speaking of which sorry i realized this is a diverting i know you were about to ask sips how
Starting point is 00:02:51 his week was but you guys play hearts of iron i'm sure many of our viewers play hearts of iron i've played it before yeah and speaking of the korean war i started reading the other day for no real reason about the second italo-ethiopian war which if anyone's ever played hearts of iron yes the the ethiopian war if you play as italy is one of the very first things you do it's on your focus tree yeah do you know much about the actual events of the second italo-ethiopian war no not i i don't know anything about it i feel like this is the tail end of colonialism i.e back in slightly between the two wars we still had elements of africa it was largely under the control of france and the uk and belgium had a
Starting point is 00:03:33 bit germany had a bit it everyone in europe had a little bit yeah of africa that they sort of had as their i think it was even like a possession you know know, it wasn't even, it was, it was still full on colonialism. It was. I mean, the Belgians had bits. Yeah. Like you said, like everybody just seemed to nab little, little chunks here and there of Italy. Um, but, but the, the Italian Ethiopian war is really, really interesting.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Let me just pique your interest a tiny bit by talking about, um, first of all, I didn't know this. The Italians were kind of pissed off with what Germany was planning with Austria. I think this is the Anschluss of Austria, where they just said, well, Austria is basically part of Germany. That's what it says in Hoy, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Yeah. Right. So the Italians were not best pleased about that because it did mean putting the Nazis right on their border, and they were kind of against it and everything. So as revenge for that, the Germans actually armed the Ethiopians in this war, which I didn't know. I thought that was really interesting. The casualties were, this was a brutal war.
Starting point is 00:04:32 About 377,000 Ethiopians died and about 10,000 Italian troops, 44,000 wounded, and a whole bunch of them subsequently got wounded and sick of 144,000 and another 10,000 000 so it was just like 200 000 civilian casualties about just under 400 000 civilians were killed they reckon um so yeah it's pretty unbelievable but listen to this this is um the the the foreign mercenaries that the ethiopians got in on their side all right they have like four planes. Okay, four. That was Ethiopian Air Force.
Starting point is 00:05:07 And they had this French pilot came over to basically handle the planes with a couple of other lads. But listen to the mercenary forces that joined the Ethiopians. French pilot Pierre Corrigere, Trinidadian pilot Hubert Julien, an official Swedish military mission under Captain Viking Tam, the white Russian, Fedor Konovalov, and the Czechoslovak writer, Adolf Palisac, several Austrian Nazis, a team of Belgian fascists, and the Cuban mercenary, Alejandro Del Valle. I mean, I'm just like, this is like a Wes Anderson movie.
Starting point is 00:05:43 I can just imagine this disparate group of lads turning up. It's just amazing. All giving chocolates to each other in like perfectly, beautifully wrapped boxes with like harpsichord music playing in the background. And just as they're about to go into battle, Hubert Julien says to Pierre pierre corregue you know you never gave me the money back from the toll you know some some minor conversation that they have like that but yeah i just thought it was really i just loved that idea that this force but the the ethiopian it's interesting the ethiopian forces were very very poorly armed so like this was highly salasi's message to his to the people of ethiopia when the Italians invaded. All men and boys able to carry a spear
Starting point is 00:06:26 go to Addis Ababa. Every married man will bring his wife to cook and wash for him. Every unmarried man will bring any unmarried woman he can find
Starting point is 00:06:35 to cook and wash for him. Wow. Women with babies, the blind, and those who aged and infirm to carry a spear are excused. Anyone else found at home
Starting point is 00:06:43 after receiving this order will be hanged. And a shitload of lads turned up because you would. So these lads turned up and some of them literally had just saying, you better fucking turn up. Can you imagine if Winston Churchill did that?
Starting point is 00:06:58 Imagine they did that nowadays. It was about that time. Get your vaccine or if we find out you haven't, we're going to come to your house and hang you in front of your neighbors. Come and get a vaccine. If you're married, bring your wife. If you're not, you need to find a random unmarried woman to cook and clean for you. It's just incredible.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Oh, that's nuts. But lots of the forces just literally had spears or bows and arrows. But they did all- like italians uh did not do very well like this was this should have been a walkover for them but because they're like the italian army was not that bad like they were quite poorly equipped but the men were ready to fight they were like they wanted to fight but they were the leaders were awful and but mussolini was insane obviously uh and and the the sort of command chain in the Italian army was very, very poor. So a lot of bad decisions, misinformation, but the Ethiopians still had runners. That was their
Starting point is 00:07:51 form of communication between units. They had to get a lad and run him between units. Of course they did. And there was still some occasions, like the Italian tanks turned up, and the Ethiopians just rolled boulders in front of and behind the tank so it couldn't go ethiopia just have this long uh tradition of running under any circumstance then because they always win medals at the olympics and stuff too right great runners so yeah i think it's because the the conditions that they train in are so harsh that like when when they go to another country where the conditions are a bit more favorable for running long distances. They're like, well, this is a piece of cake.
Starting point is 00:08:26 And running in a desert with like tires for shoes for like 10 years practicing. Like, yeah, the rest of this is really easy. Most of the Ethiopian fighters wore a white cotton cloak, which proved to be an excellent target. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. How awful. Really bad. That's wild, eh?
Starting point is 00:08:45 Some of the reports of the battles that they had and stuff were just crazy, but there were a lot of massacres. When the Italians finally took Addis Ababa, they killed like 30,000 people, they estimate. But equally, a lot of the time when the Italian forces got caught, they were castrated by the Ethiopians as a a kind of revenge i mean this was i'd never ever read about this war i assumed having played hearts of iron italians turned up and just won but this was brutal and like it went on and on and on for quite a little things i mean it was such a
Starting point is 00:09:19 such a vast conflict and and encapsulated so many nations of the world over such a long period of time there's always going to be little bits and pieces that you've never come across you've never read up on or whatever i mean yeah i mean like the spanish civil war led into the world yeah it's not really considered part of world war ii is it but it's sort of definitely so close to it yeah and it had ramifications for um for the or could have had uh serious ramifications for the war had it gone the other way and stuff like that so i think that's why it's it's it's often mentioned and i mean around the same time too like or just before so yeah it gets lumped in but um i mean it's all really interesting like uh you read up on a lot of this stuff and uh
Starting point is 00:10:06 the other thing that's interesting about the time as well is that uh a lot of it is a lot of it was was chronicled at the time but a lot of it is going back and speaking to people who are are now gone because obviously happened so long ago that most veterans uh or people that were involved in in any way in in that war or have passed away either died in the war or you know have just died um in their later years sort of thing but uh you got it you got to wonder if all of the accounts are like necessarily true you know i think there's definitely some um you know like romanticization of of some of the stuff right like certainly you see it like in the movies and some of the books that have been written since and stuff,
Starting point is 00:10:47 you know, like I don't know if all the accounts are like 100% accurate, but at the same time, it makes it all more interesting, right? Because it's like all a time piece, right? Yeah. In a nutshell, right? Like history is often hundreds, well, it used to be certainly in Roman times,
Starting point is 00:11:03 you know, even the best sources we have, the most sort of accurate historians who were kind of supposed to be certainly in roman times you know even the the best sources we have the most sort of accurate historians who were kind of supposed to be neutral points of view like there was this one quite famous greek historian who wasn't a greek he was i think he was from a different country and he came to greece and he kind of sort of tried to write down the histories of the row of the of the wars and the roman times as well had a couple of these philosopher philosopher phil philosophical historians yeah i can't say it philosophical yeah but they they were kind of they were kind of tried to write their histories up as best they could but they're obviously biased by hundreds of years uh they're they're writing these histories
Starting point is 00:11:37 down hundreds of years after they happen and for an audience that have political motivations or yes you know people at the time who want to trumpet a certain thing you know if you want to frame or you know i mean obviously after the ethiopian italian war i'm sure a lot of that was in order to keep muslim power and then afterwards touted as this big success you know there's there's definitely this war these things are used and the history is written and shared and and all the all the atrocities are hidden and i think it's harder to do that in the modern world yeah but instead we have this more skeptical outlook of did this actually happen like that you know we do have more questioning you know i think i think that i think it's interesting it is bizarre that we
Starting point is 00:12:22 question fact more when it's much easier to record as true and show evidence for things. That is interesting. The older stuff gets, the less we question it, you know, as well, to some extent. And sometimes the older the stuff, the sources we're looking at, the more we should question it.
Starting point is 00:12:38 You know, some of these historical characters who certainly we sort of almost, like Mother Teresa, you know, it almost feels like you know the you know she she was it became this sort of idea that she was universally good when obviously i think cast in a modern light i think she's she's not not very good no i mean that's like sort of come to light more recently that but potentially she wasn't as as nice like hayley salassie you know i didn't know he said that he said that, but I always thought he was a kind of a hero, I guess. Well, maybe at the time, but I mean, like controversially,
Starting point is 00:13:13 I think at a time Hitler was seen as a bit of a hero as well, right? Like it's the circumstance, obviously, after the fact, you look at it and you think, well, no, that he's like a madman. But I mean mean you know people supported him in the beginning right and he was still insane then too you know what i mean so like it's yeah it's the context of the time right like he was saying sort of the right things but nobody realized how nuts he was going to be you know as he was saying that sort of the right things to the people of nazi germany yeah to to clarify we're not saying no the joy voice podcast
Starting point is 00:13:46 no look to some of his early stuff was good you know it's not like a band but i mean this is this is a thing that happens often in history like you know people who are loud and insane are are listened to a lot right like uh you know people listen to like edie amin and um you know all of these all of these people who then turned out to just be absolutely batshit insane and dangerous and, you know, evil or whatever. It's a weird one. We need history, though, in the same way that with trials, you know, once someone is found guilty in a trial, they did it right that is it's understood that that that is now history yeah you know that it can be written down as fact yeah in a sense um
Starting point is 00:14:34 because that's what we've all agreed to yeah record as history you know i think i think that we have this system in place which lets us have closure um or at least at least historical closure right we can't we can't be umming and erring about every single little decision sometimes these things need to just be the consensus is that this happened and we're going to report this as fact um here's a little detail for you guys just as an aside about the spanish civil war there was a There was a fighter, there were a lot of people, George Orwell famously went to fight for the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, but there was a woman called Simone Weil who was a French philosopher. So this
Starting point is 00:15:14 is brilliant. Simone Weil added herself for a while to the anarchist columns of Buenaventura de Ruti. Though fellow fighters feared she might inadvertently shoot them because she was short-sighted and tried to avoid taking her on missions. By the account of her biographer, Simone Petrimon, Ve was evacuated from the front after a matter of weeks because of an injury sustained in a cooking accident. Jesus. Her trip to, I'm going to join the Spanish Revolution. She goes out there and they're like, Christ, you can barely see. Just fucking Mr. Beanandit the whole time.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Oh my God. She wasn't allowed to go. Like Hayley Selassie specifically said, no blind people. Yeah. And only people who can cook. I know.
Starting point is 00:15:53 She went to the wrong revolution. He didn't make the bar very high. Do you know what I mean? Well, to be fair, she was in the Spanish Civil War. As long as you're not infirm, blind, or completely hopeless, come along. She couldn't shoot and walked into a cooking pot civil civil war as long as you're as long as you're not infirm blind or you know completely
Starting point is 00:16:06 hopeless come along couldn't shoot and walked into a cooking pot or something i just think that's that's quite the tale of a trip to to help out man yeah spanish civil war obviously very very again a very interesting of its time thing where it was as it was kind of this war between national fascists and communists yeah so it was quite unusual to see who was on the side of the witch you know because it was you know italy and germany and and portugal were supporting fascism um whereas the soviet union greece sort of mexico uh and france actually were supporting communism because there was a little bit of communism going in france at the time and they were sort of you know France actually were supporting communism. There was a little bit of communism going in France at the time. And they were sort of,
Starting point is 00:16:47 you know, thinking that that might be the way forward. Certainly, you know, it was, it was an interesting time historically when these governments were coming up with these new ideas and communism was certainly taking root. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:58 You know, nationalism, much the same as it is. They were, they were, they were on the ground floor of introducing the concept of doing a little bit of trolling. I think that's all it was. It was just a little bit of trolling.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Really terrible time. These wars all caused terrible, terrible things to happen. It left Spain in an absolute disastrous shape. Let me just say, while you were talking about people going over and volunteering and how that was sort of of its time, I think in terms of philosophers and writers, there seemed to be a lot more of them acting very politically. I think it was a time of great political upheaval, the 30s and the 40s. Yeah, I mean, certainly fascism seemed to be very, very popular at the time, right? Right. But there seemed to be a lot of people whose job was,
Starting point is 00:17:45 oh, I'm a philosopher. Yeah. And in a fairly historically well-known way. And there was still a lot of time and effort spent. I'm sure there are still philosophers today. I know there are. But I feel like I don't know how many of them would go and fight in a civil war.
Starting point is 00:17:58 I mean, for example, the Kurds, when they were fighting against al-Qaeda, there were Western volunteers who went out there and just joined the fight. Like, that was a thing that actually happened. I don't know if any celebrities did. No. Because I think we tend to have a different kind of celebrity these days.
Starting point is 00:18:13 And rather than being someone who writes a nice book about philosophy, it's someone who's got a six-pack and was on... I feel like Ross Kemp should have, you know, like... Get Ross Kemp out. I'm on the front line of the battle against the Spanish fascists. It would have pushed his career even further. You know what I mean? Like, it just.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Just get Phil Mitchell out there. Yeah, yeah. Just get the Mitchell brothers. As he said, everyone can bring a spear to get to the front. So that's why I'm here. Man, he's. Do you know what? I watched a little bit of EastEnders over the holidays because my wife follows uh man phil mitchell is still in that show he's still still banging babes that's
Starting point is 00:18:50 what he's it's crazy i know he's in the show for so he's in it so long that every time a new female character enters the show phil mitchell has to have sex with her that is in his contract 100 dude is like 80 years old now i'm not even joking yeah he's just so he's he's an old guy and you're right he gets all the young this young tar found in the bar exactly with me to cook and clean exactly but he has so many skeletons in the closet like uh i think the the latest is now he's about to go to jail because they found out that or somebody found out that he killed their brother or something like years ago and told the police yeah yeah so now he's trying to he's trying to make it his current his current bit of fluff is
Starting point is 00:19:30 is kat slater i don't know if you remember her yeah but they're they're together now yeah yeah okay yeah so there you go a little little eastenders update for you there just in case you needed it slater and the first result is cat slater total slag yeah well that's it that's in the show that's what she gets called a lot she's like yeah yeah so there's a list of the longest serving characters yeah ian beal's gotta be one of them according to wikipedia is the longest serving because he was he was in there it was dot cotton right but she's pretty much retired now so ian beal is the longest serving because he was he was in there it was dot cotton right but she's pretty much retired now so ian beale is a longest serving character and the only
Starting point is 00:20:10 remaining original character to did she actually die continuously the lady who plays dot cotton yeah yeah i believe she did i don't know if she did you know june brown uh is she's 94 yeah yeah no she's still going but she's not in the show anymore. No, she's not. They basically, like, in the show, I think they've written her into, like, you know, like a retirement home or something like that. I've come here to fight Al-Qaeda. The only unmarried woman I could
Starting point is 00:20:36 find was Dot Cotton. I brought her along. She's survived several world wars already. She's a veteran. Chicken holder spear. I've hurt myself on this cooking pot the heavyweight uh soap stars you know of uh of britain her dot cotton and what about didri barlow from coronation street both heavy smokers where their voices have dropped about 10 octaves yeah over the years it's just insane isn't it here are some other names for eastenders fans sharon watts
Starting point is 00:21:07 yeah in the show in several births she's still going yeah yeah she comes and goes yeah and she is the only woman on the show who can claim to have bedded and wedded both phil and grant mitchell yes so she's she's fucked both mitchell yeah kathy yeah oh yeah kathy beal kathy beal uh was Both Mitchells. Kathy Beale. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kathy Beale was presumed dead. That's Ian Beale's mum. Yeah. Was presumed dead in the show and then came back, I think. So she was in it 1985 to 2000. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:35 And then there was a 15-year hiatus. Yes. And she came back in 2015. That's right. About that. Martin Fowler, another lifer, it says here. Martin has been a part of the ascenders family for as long as the soap has existed well the original run was 85 to 2007 then he came back
Starting point is 00:21:49 in 20 different actors playing the same role the picture here he runs the fruit and veg store yeah it was it's it's they've had like two different actors for martin fowler though it was like uh it was a different actor when he was like a teenager and stuff. And then he went away for a bit and then came back. And now it's a different guy is acting the role. So Sharon Watts was on for 10 years from 85 to 95, came back from 2001 to 2006, and then came back again. So she's been married to like four or five different characters. But her most recent stint had, she was engaged,
Starting point is 00:22:24 had a painkiller addiction she was still married to phil of course she was attacked in her own bar oh yeah she met her biological father had an affair with a guy called kianu was blackmailed by her business partner uh who then died uh she then divorced phil gave birth to kianu's son but her other son died in a boat accident because of ian Beale attempting to kill himself and then later she became the landlady of the Queen Vic married and divorced Ian Beale and then poisoned
Starting point is 00:22:52 him but find out that she has a half brother so she then had a fling with someone else and then found out that she has a granddaughter who she's now raising so yeah that is just such an amazing and that's the most recent that's the most recent that is the most recent plot yeah luckily most of that went
Starting point is 00:23:11 on during the era of dvds because that was the only way to medicate all through all the pain right like just to right put on a dvd get me your dvd like that's all they do in that show all I've got is CSI Miami season 7 what'll that do? oh that'll be great put the kettle on as well pop on a DVD fucking EastEnders so here's another character
Starting point is 00:23:39 there's a character called Winston who was a black guy that works on a stall and he was in the background for since they've missed they've mistyped on this article uh 1895 is apparently obviously meant to be 1985 but he never spoke he never spoke and then he finally spoke in 2017 and he said to to uh mick carter cheers pal that was it that was it yeah there's another um there's another actress that's been like kind of like a almost like an extra actress for the longest time and it's uh the the woman who tends the bar at the queen vic tracy she has
Starting point is 00:24:17 i think she's got a handful of spoken lines throughout like the 30 or so years that she's been on the show or whatever but uh thing is you get she's still there like there's there's a base baseline rate isn't there i think if you have a speaking role i'm sure someone that works the industry will say that this is not true but the way you get your equity card is to have a speaking role in a um a tv show or a play or something yeah yeah otherwise you count as an extra i feel like i feel like if you're doing that you're you're basically like the the greg from uh succession right you're just like you just turn up to all this stuff sitting by the window not talking and stuff oh man yeah so sonja jackson there's
Starting point is 00:24:56 another character that's been the show for a long time yeah uh pete peter beal who was a a young lad played by many many a fella apparently yeah uh ben mitchell who's obviously one of the other young characters billy mitchell billy who is he looks like a guy that would nick your wallet if you looked away for two seconds he's been in the show for so long it's crazy janine butcher is back i don't know if you remember janine butcher frank butcher's um daughter um she married barry um this is like 20 years ago or whatever she's back again
Starting point is 00:25:27 now as well there's a guy in my chat called Barry from EastEnders Barry from EastEnders that's his name yeah well Barry from EastEnders was a character
Starting point is 00:25:34 in Extras you remember yeah but it was played by Barry from EastEnders yeah I know it was clever it was good oh my god
Starting point is 00:25:42 man what a show honestly this whole thing is a nightmare yeah apologies to show. Honestly, this whole thing is a nightmare. Yeah. Apologies to anybody who's listening. This whole thing is a nightmare. Not in the world of soap operas, specifically British soap operas. You probably don't know what the fuck we're talking about. I mean, specifically, I would say EastEnders is like, as much as people talk about Coronation
Starting point is 00:26:00 Street and stuff like that, EastEnders seems to be the biggest, I'd say. I think so, yeah. I mean, Corrie has been around for a very long time but it's it's our house and it always has been yeah eastenders is if i had to watch a soap and i i've i have had to when i was living at home my mom watched them all when she comes up here she watches eastenders coronation street emmerdale uh those those three those are the those are the big dogs yeah emmerdale farm had one good episode which is when a plane crashed on the village what an app yeah i remember that one i remember i was there i remember exactly if you if you remember exactly where you were during that episode of
Starting point is 00:26:34 emmerdale um i don't know what that says about you honestly but okay let's talk about british cultural things yeah oh wait wait before you anything, very exciting news about British cultural things. Guess what? I can't guess. Guess what starts tonight at nine o'clock on BBC One, baby. The Apprentice. The fucking Apprentice.
Starting point is 00:26:57 It's back. Oh my god, I can't believe it. I'm so excited. The Apprentice. Why do you like The Apprentice so much? It's my favorite hate watch. I love it. Oh, man. This was my last weekend.
Starting point is 00:27:10 This was my reaction to the return of the Masked Singer, which is my guilty watch. I love the Masked Singer. It's so good. Wait, I watched one where it was like it wasn't the Masked Singer or maybe it was, but it was like they had to guess whether the person really was a singer or not based on like what they looked like and they had like this bio and stuff and then so like they were all like they would all lip sync a song just to give people an idea of like how they would perform and stuff but like they knew that it was being lip synced or whatever but then it was up to like the judges to sort of see oh you know is that person really
Starting point is 00:27:45 gonna be good at singing or whatever and then they would come on after and and actually sing and the ones who couldn't sing were like really over exaggeratingly bad at oh right you know like it was it was like terrible karaoke sort of thing and then it was always like but man fucking jimmy carr is like on all those shows now like i guess he's just trying to like uh i don't know like weasel his way into like like prime time or something but fuck me man like it it's like it's like a youtube thumbnail that guy his like fucking reaction expression all the time like jesus well the masked singer is that there are two two main entertaining things to it first of all the costumes are amazing and bizarre. But second of all,
Starting point is 00:28:25 the stupidity of the panel, which is Jonathan Ross, Rita Ora, who are the other two people? Davina McCall and some guy that I don't know who he is. Good Lord. He's a comedian or something.
Starting point is 00:28:37 That is quite a mixed bag, isn't it? It is. But their guesses are so bad. And some of them are so optimistic that the other week someone was singing and they said, I think this could be Zendaya. And I'm like, guys, Zendaya is not doing the masked singer on ITV. Like there is an American masked singer. If she's going to do one, it would be that.
Starting point is 00:28:56 She's not going to pop up on fucking ITV. Like, I'm sorry, team, but it's not Zendaya. It's just hilarious. But yeah, it's really, really good. I think fucking ITV need to wind their neck and fucking have a day off you know like what a stupid station eh i hate it i fucking hate it it's just the worst and i'm a celebrity get me out of here still fucking going no exactly come on i mean one of the contestants that was unveiled at the weekend uh was heather the lead singer of m people and she oh wait is that lighthouse family
Starting point is 00:29:25 or m people where the lead singer sounds a little bit like phil collins like on a you know like after after so m people was a female vocalist i think lighthouse people okay so is m people search for the hero exactly but her voice was like, you got this weird. So when she sang on The Masked Singer, she did a different voice. So she had to kind of disguise her singer voice, but it just meant that she couldn't sing very well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:57 What's the point? Because her voice is too obvious. That's the only thing that people have. It's the first major trigger of 2022. Lewis has lost it. The Masked Singer is the culprit. That's the whole thing. Why are they not singing properly?
Starting point is 00:30:16 How are people supposed to guess? No one knows who she is anyway. Why are they going to take that mask off and everyone's going to be like, who? No one knows who that is. Man, Lewis, I think you just got to search for the hero inside yourself. They get other clues. Like they say, I did this and I was that.
Starting point is 00:30:30 And they're sort of cryptic clues along the way. It's so cryptic though. Who knows this? I don't know. I guess I've heard of M people vaguely, but I would have no idea who was in it, whether they were like women or men, like what kind of music they did.
Starting point is 00:30:44 I'm like, God, like, how am music they did i like god like it's how am i supposed to like how old is it as well m people god it's so old time 90s yeah i mean i'm not expecting them to get fucking zendaya she's obviously doing like 20 movies and actually everything that's good she's there's no way she's in the uk doing it but but at least like make an effort like we've been through this before we went through the list of the masked singer from last time I knew like two of them I'm gonna
Starting point is 00:31:11 level, full transparency I have no idea who Zendaya is they're already impossible to guess from their sheer obscurity, they don't need to obfuscate it even further by disguising their fucking voice obfuscate? whatever, it's obfuscate it even further. By disguising their fucking voice. Obfuscate?
Starting point is 00:31:25 Obfuscate. Whatever. It's obfuscate. Don't obfuscate! That's how angry he is. Obfuscate. I've always said it obfuscate. I'm saying it wrong. It's just a little ski whiff.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Everybody's got words like that. Ski whiff. You know, like epitome, penelope. There's a couple of words out there. Speaking of words, who's been playing Wordle? Not me. I've heard murmurs of a wordle. You will have seen it on social media, like a series of boxes, white, yellow, and green, and it'll show how long it took someone and how many guesses they had. It is a really good game.
Starting point is 00:32:04 And you only get to play it once per day which is really frustrating but at the same time i'm like this is good because now i i wake up i do my wordle i've only i've only heard about it through people doing it whilst waiting for uh matches to pop cues to pop in dota like if you're in a stack people yeah people do a wordle yeah but i i myself have not done one wordle it's good too scared apparently the guy made it for his girlfriend because she likes word games and then it just kind of blew up on social media that's kind of cool yeah i mean the key is and this is genius sharing the wordle that just shows how many guesses it took you and how you got there that's a really nice little
Starting point is 00:32:40 social media trick um very simple very recognizable very clever well done wordle shout out to word shout out to wordle it's very addictive props to wordle you could only do three minutes a day he doesn't want you to do any more than that all right it's amazing maybe we should do a new set now it's 2022 it's time to change the format a bit let's we need a new segment called like just it could be a short one, like we just did about Wordle. But we called the segment Big Props. And every time we mention something that we like, we give them big props.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Okay, we're going big props on Wordle. 12 viewers, you know, like the optics are going to look great when, you know, the 12 viewers are all talking about this on socials and, you know, just driving up a lot about this on socials and uh you know just driving up a lot of uh clicks and traffic and and shit like that it's gonna be amazing and we're gonna make so much money before we continue cupid works hard in february but our friends at manscaped are working harder than ever to ensure your valentine's day is one to remember. Don't turn this day of romance into Independence Day. Get in control with their performance package 4.0,
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Starting point is 00:36:18 Is it Fat Cat Studios? No, it's Wordle, powerlanguage.co.uk. It's that top result. You click that and there's Wordle. Wordle..co.uk. It's that top result. You click that, and there's Wordle. Wordle. And it should be a grid of a 6x5 grid or a 5x6 grid, depending on how you look at it. Is it on Android?
Starting point is 00:36:31 I don't think it's on Android. It is. It's not an app. It's just that I just get it on my phone. I just go to the website. Well, a big congrats to Wordle for being the very first big props winner on the Triforce Podcast 2022. Congratulations. Congratulations, Wordle. Well done. It's not an app. It's not an app. It. Congratulations. Congratulations. It's not an app.
Starting point is 00:36:46 It's not an app. It's just a website. It's not an app. No, it's a website. It's not an app. No, it's not an app. Don't download any apps. I'm sure they're all crooked. Right. That's where I fucked up. Wordle of Thrones. Age of Wordle. I don't want to speak for Wordle. It may well be an app, but all I'm saying
Starting point is 00:37:02 is I'm sure that as soon as anything gets popular, a bunch of shitty grifters out there go and there's a shitty app there's a shitty app already there's probably nothing to do with the world if it is i apologize but until i can confirm we hereby revoke the big prop award uh for the week because we found some some grifter apps see i'm like a boomer. I've already got confused. You've already installed a virus. Yeah. So updates.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Do you want me to share some updates for this week? Sure. Updates about what? One thing I looked at, British culture-wise. Do you remember J.R. Hartley? J.R. Hartley. No. Do you remember that?
Starting point is 00:37:41 No. Go on, tell Sips what it is. It was an ad for the Yellow Pages in the 90s. Oh, right. I didn't live over here in the 90s. No, that? No. God, tell Sips what it is. So it was an ad for the Yellow Pages in the 90s. Oh, right. I didn't live over here in the 90s. Maybe late 80s and 90s. No, that's fine. But basically, it was an old fella going to bookshops.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Right. And saying, do you have a book, Fly Fishing by J.R. Hartley? And the guy would shake his head. And he'd go to the next shop. Do you have a book? And they'd shake their head. And then he gets home and he's all, and he sees the Yellow Pages. He's all dejected
Starting point is 00:38:05 reaches for it and opens it up and finds a bookshop and he says you do you do have it ah yes my name
Starting point is 00:38:12 it's J.R. Hartman and he closes the book and he sits back and he's like ah there's still a copy of my book about fly fishing out there and it was a beautiful ad
Starting point is 00:38:22 it was very well done and it became a big sort of cultural thing and everybody knew And it was a beautiful ad. It was very well done. And it became a big sort of cultural thing. And everybody knew it. It was a very, very famous ad. It became a very big cultural influence in the UK. And there was another Yellow Pages ad at the time, which was when there was a kid using it to climb up onto
Starting point is 00:38:36 and kiss someone under the mistletoe. And the one where he'd scratched. This was the one me and my mates always remember. The one where he has a party and he panics because the place is a mess and his parents are coming home that day. He calls up a cleaning service and they come around. And then at the last second,
Starting point is 00:38:53 he notices that there's like a statue has all weird stuff. And there's like, there's a scratch on his parents' varnished, beautiful antique table. Gets that repaired. But then he notices something else just at the time of what it is. I think there's like a statue has makeup on it or something like that you're a car it's been 30 years since i saw
Starting point is 00:39:08 the advert but that was a big one as well but the jr harley one was the main one there were the main one that stuck around hamlet cigars was a big one as well so obviously fly fishing by jr harley wasn't a real book but what happened was huge amounts of people requested the book, thought it was real. And as a result, it became real. Right. They made a fly fishing by J.R. Hartley. So 1983 was when the advert came out. But 1991, it was still so strongly in the British consciousness that they actually got an angling author called Michael Russell to write fly fishing by Memories of Angling Days.
Starting point is 00:39:43 Right. By J.R. Hartley.ley right and it was published as that uh so it's a sort of spoof book but kind of like written by someone who did know about fishing and had written fishing books before it was basically kind of a humorous book but intensely british and not great but it sold like 150 000 copies that's pretty good yeah in christmas which was huge yeah that was the top of the bestseller that would that's like uh that's that that would be uh like a a very sort of typical christmas gift right like you'd get some like a like a joke yeah yeah but obviously what happens it was so popular that that the guy wrote two more sequels oh my god jr hartley casts again and golfing by jr hartley oh my and and did those ones not do as well so they were
Starting point is 00:40:33 they were shit but it doesn't matter because they they did fine but it turns out that but by by now in um 2011 so so this was 10 years ago, they announced that there was this rare, sort of the most sought-after out-of-print books. That copy, the 1991 copy of J.R. Hartley's Fly Fishing, which was obviously only made on one print run for this Christmas, was then one of the most sought-after out-of-print books and people were looking for it again. Wow, Jesus.
Starting point is 00:41:01 So it's come full circle. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. It was an advert about a book that was out of print okay that there became a book that there became out of print that then people are still looking for now well you know how you can find it pick up a copy of the yellow pages yeah yeah which doesn't it doesn't exist anymore i don't think i don't think the yellow pages does it exist as an actual book or is it just yell is that what yell.com is i think i think it's online yeah yeah i think yell is is yeah it's like trust a trade.com or whatever they fucking use now to find someone listen checker trade is no joke that is a very very good website i use it every time use and checker trade i didn't know this when the guys the guys that are on checker trade
Starting point is 00:41:45 to advertise their business they have to pay a subscription fee to checker trade to be on the website fair enough but you have to pay for each area and they divide the areas up quite meanly shall we say right okay so you've got to pay if you if you're in southwest london you have to pay a lot of money every year to be to have it listed to get listed under the category under the place under the so if i search for plumber twickenham you have to have paid like i think it's 1500 quid or something like that like i told me just to be listed in twickenham and then another one for this that's such a typical thing that a tradesman would tell you about right like how much expense he's got yeah you wouldn't believe it, mate. That bloody check. It does bring in a fair bit of work, to be fair.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Fix the fucking pipes. It costs me nothing. You're like, just fix the boiler. I'm doing it. I'm fixing the boiler. I just want to fucking moan about my expenses at the same time. Come on. Problem is, mate, I've got no tools.
Starting point is 00:42:40 I can't afford them. I can't afford them because I have to spend all the money on a bloody check trade. Isn't it? Whoa. Whoa. This is exactly what it's like. I've got to afford them. I've got to afford them because I have to spend all the money on a bloody check trade. Isn't it? Whoa! Whoa! This is exactly what it's like. Oh, fuck's sake. So speaking of fake novels, I started to look into it further.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Bodega. No. So basically what happened was the way bestseller lists were compiled in the 1950s were based on you could go into a bookshop and say you could request a copy. You didn't have to preorder it or buy it or put any money down. You could just go in and say, do you have this book? And that would get put onto a list, a note list, and then that list would be sent to the New York Times.
Starting point is 00:43:20 And that was what was used to compile the bestseller list. So in fact, all you had to do was go in and say- Get a bunch of people to go into bookstores. So this late night raconteur who was called Shep, quite popular, Gene Shepard Jr., he told everyone to go into the store and request a fictional novel that he'd made up called I, Libertine.
Starting point is 00:43:42 Yeah. Or I, Libertine by Frederickrederick r ewing okay which sounds like a real book and so he went so so everyone of course did this and it sort of got a bit viral and it put on it was put on the new york times bestseller list okay this completely fictional book and so what happened was then of course bookstores and publishers became interested actually fulfilling this demand and making this book and so this one publisher ian ballantine decided that he had to smash this book out right now to capitalize on the success so he got permission from shep to do it he spent the entire next few days writing the novel and eventually fell asleep, exhausted, with the book unfinished.
Starting point is 00:44:28 After trying to meet the deadline in one marathon typing session, he collapsed. His wife took over, finished it, and they put it out. What the hell? And obviously all the proceeds went to charity. But it's kind of like, it's kind of dumb. Apparently it's like a book closely based on the life of someone called Elizabeth Chudley.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Of course, yeah. Who was the Countess of Bristol, apparently, some courtier in sort of 17th, 18th century. Elizabeth Chudley! I am the Countess of Bristol! What's that fucking netflix sexy uh history
Starting point is 00:45:09 the witcher no no the sexy presented by elizabeth chudley i am it's like sexy downtown abbey i understand you are the witcher we have many gloobers and squibbles roaming around Bristol. What's it called? It's like Broadchurch. No. Broadchurch. Broadmead. It's called Broadmead or something.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Yeah. I can't remember what it's called. You know, the one with all the sexy people in historical times. Gossip Girl. The Witcher. I'm still sticking with The Witcher. No. People will know what i mean so so yeah it's it's it's shit but there was an another book that came sort of before this um so it was kind of this this idea previously because um god well i can't even i was looking
Starting point is 00:46:02 around um and i found another one i have to find it in a second but there was this this this this has happened a few times right like there was this time in the 90s when there was this company called publish america um and they were sort of a vanity press so they were they were kind of the idea was that you would send your managed gift they would accept it they'd accept all of them and then you'd pay to get hundreds of books made. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there was this thing called Publish America that was, it said it was a traditional publisher,
Starting point is 00:46:31 but it was kind of a scam. Yeah. Whereas it just, you know, when you've written your book, you send it off to publishers and they would always accept. And you'd be delighted that they've accepted you and are publishing your book. You'd be like, oh, I'm going to be an author now. I'm a published author, actually.
Starting point is 00:46:44 I have 10,000 copies of my book in my garage right now would you like what so no thanks so exactly so what was happening was a lot of people were getting scammed and this group of authors got together to try and write the the worst book they could just to prove that publish america would accept anything without checking right so? So they wrote this book. They got 25 writers together to write this book called Atlanta Nights. So basically it had the same segment of outline written twice in non-identical chapters. So chapters 13 and 15 were the same story but written by different people.
Starting point is 00:47:22 Chapter 21 was missing. Chapters 4 and 17 were word for word identical chapters there were two chapter 12s uh at different areas in the book there was a chapter written inverted commas by a computer program that spouted out random text uh based on previous chapters characters change gender and race die and reappear without explanation there's no consistent spelling or grammar or formatting the initials of characters who were named in the book spelled out the phrase publish america is a vanity press so apparently they also accepted another author's manuscript
Starting point is 00:47:56 that featured the same 30 pages repeated 10 times that's right oh my god so it's it's it's just gibberish um and then obviously uh they got accepted and they declined to be published of course and then um then they released it as a print on demand for people to buy with uh with funds going to charity as well um but yes so it's kind of a a silly idea but there was a previous book that had happened with this sort of thing, like a hoax book called Naked Came the Stranger, which you might have heard of. So Naked Came the Stranger was a thing that happened in 1969, where there was this one guy, McGrady, who worked for a newspaper. And he thought that the bestsellers list was dominated
Starting point is 00:48:46 by porn um there was this like pulpy porn sexy shit going on and he thought that look if i just want to get a book on the bestseller list all i do is write some sort of sexy thing and put a naked woman on the cover right and it will just go on to the top of the bestseller list because there were these authors of the time who were really dominating and he was he was sort of sick of it um so he hired or just like got involved with all of the journalists at his work he asked everyone to write a chapter so like 20 men and five women all wrote a sexy chapter of this book some of them were too good so they had to like edit them a lot to make them shitter it was just like a complete hodgepodge um he got his sister-in-law to be the author
Starting point is 00:49:28 and be this author, Penelope Ash, right? But basically, it's just the synopsis of it is that Jilly and William Blake are the hosts of a popular New York City breakfast radio chat show, The Billy and Jilly Show. The Billy and Jilly Show. Jilly finds out that her husband is having an affair and decides to cheat on him with a series of different men
Starting point is 00:49:48 from their Long Island neighbour. Of course she does, yeah. Most of the book is taken up by small snippets of Jilly's adventures with a variety of men, from a progressive rabbi to a mobster. So what happened was, of course, McGrady was was cynical and expected to go to the top of the bestseller list and it did it's you know sold hundreds of thousands of copies 400 000 copies and um you know was was was was they were on talk shows and all sorts of stuff about this but then was made into a movie um which which which was sort of a sexy, erotic.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Like one of the ones you get on Channel 5 after midnight in the old days. Exactly. One of those shit movies. So what actually happened was as well, they took it to a publisher and the publisher was a sort of independent publisher known for controversial books. He stole the cover photo, which was a sort of kneeling nude woman with her ass to the camera from a Hungarian nudist magazine. And the model of photographer later found out that it'd been used. A demanded payment and were paid. But obviously later, it was one of those hope they don't notice, see if we can get away with it type things.
Starting point is 00:51:06 But yeah, the movie was a thing. And it was this, I don't know, like this. It was started as a sort of a joke or a hoax or some sort of deliberate, something deliberately bad. You know, they deliberately made it shit. Oh, I've got some lines from Atlanta Nights if you want to hear this. Sure. This is good. The longtime security guard saluted
Starting point is 00:51:25 the pair as they passed. What lucky people, he thought, so young and rich they can afford to live here. Not like me. I have to live across town and wear a uniform and salute the young, rich kids who make more money in a minute than I can make in my whole life. I think that's great. He's dying.
Starting point is 00:51:42 It's making you ill. This one's even better better as he held those big jiggle breasts so close to him he whispered into her ear i love those big old bejubbly jubblies that sounds like something donald trump would whisper into someone's ear doesn't it yes it does yeah yes it does but just just some random fella just says it to him hey by the way i love those big old bajubly they'd be like excuse me mr president just carry on one of the worst books ever written apparently is the eye of argon yeah i was just reading about the eye of argon heroic fantasy novella
Starting point is 00:52:25 narrating the adventures of Grignere, a mighty barbarian and thief. It is considered one of the worst books ever. One of the genre's most beloved pieces of appalling prose. Published, you mean. One of the worst ever published. The ending was missing.
Starting point is 00:52:40 The ending was missing from Scorch's copy and all the copies made of it. The last page of the story was on the last sheet of the fanzine, which had fallen off the staples. Oh, man. The online version ends with the phrase, end of available copy. And the original copy that was found in the historical archives was also incomplete.
Starting point is 00:53:00 So anyway, we don't even have it. But no mere transcription can give the true flavor of the original printing of the Eye of Argon. It was so bad. Just everything about it was bad. So, for example, here's a line. Eyeing a slender female crouched alone as a nearby bench, Grignere advanced, wishing to wholesomely occupy his time.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Wholesomely? Wholesomely occupy his time. Wholesomely? Wholesomely occupy his time. Here's a bit where a woman is trapped in a hole. You take hold of this rope, said the first soldier, and climb out from your pit, slut. Your presence is requested in another far deeper hellhole. The girl gasped a tortured groan from her clamped lungs, her sea blue eyes bulging forth from damp sockets.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Cocking her right foot backwards, she leashed it desperately outwards with the strength of a demon possessed, lodging her sandaled foot squarely between the shaman's testicles. Oh man, this is incredible. This is really bad. By the surly beard of Mirrithic, Oh man, this is incredible. This is really bad. By the surly beard of Mirrorytfic, Grignere kneels to no man. Grignere grappled with the lashing flexor muscles of the repugnant body of a gargantuan, sorry, garganuan brown-hided rat,
Starting point is 00:54:20 striving to hold its razor teeth from his juicy jugular. Oh god. There's a lot of spelling spelling typos in it as well yeah it's uh it's it's good dude so that's what you've been reading we should do we should do a reading of this book man i can't remember the last time i read read a book it's been too long hey oh by the way uh baby just turned six months old yesterday oh happy half birthday oh my god you get half a birthday cake how does that work well no you don't you don't but it's a big milestone because from six months is when they start eating they like sit in a high chair she can sit up a bit now like she'll have to sleep in a bigger bed like she'll have to come out of her
Starting point is 00:55:02 little baby cot and stuff it's all it's all change you know she's teething they start making little noises yeah she talks a lot now she's like constantly and stuff so did we talk about this last time i can't remember but basically i was thinking about this because i can't remember who i was talking to about it but they sort of said that having kids and watching them grow up is a little bit like um there's it's not grief exactly but or loss exactly but certainly they change so much year to year yes they're almost a different person very quickly when you have it when you have a dog you know it's very consistent yeah throughout its life but when you have a baby i mean dogs change you certainly you certainly might miss what they you know how cute and affectionate they were when they were three or when they were all questioning stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Yeah, I mean, you miss it, but you always have that memory as well, though, which is really nice. It's true. But I agree. It does feel like you're losing. It's like you're losing someone you knew every time they grow up a bit more. And it sort of comes in waves because you don't see it. It's every day. It's like it's very gradual yeah you know you don't notice putting on weight until you one day you look in the mirror like christ what have i done so it sort of creeps up to myself what am i
Starting point is 00:56:15 doing so i feel like with kids it's the same like the other day i was talking to my 10 year old and she was using all kinds of big words i hadn't heard her use before yeah just she she's very very verbose and and she she's got a really amazing vocabulary for a 10 year old in my opinion um and my mom is always commenting on it and just things that my eldest talks about and knows about and you know that she's nearly 13 but she's she's just taking her off herself off to school she goes to her friend's house she goes into town and gets a cup of boba tea all this kind of stuff she's just off and i know in four more years, she'll be going on holiday with her mates to somewhere,
Starting point is 00:56:49 you know, going all over the place. And it'll be like, she's a grownup. And then like, she's 13 now. And I think in just eight years time, she'll be 21. Hopefully she'll have finished university. She'll be starting work and all that kind of stuff. And it just blows my mind to think of that future
Starting point is 00:57:05 because I know that at that point, I will not be her primary concern. I won't be her primary caregiver in any way. Like, I'll just be the reliable dad who helps her out. And, you know, if she's short of cash, I'll help her out and I'll drive her around sometimes or whatever. And, you know, she'll always have a place here. But it makes me very sad to know that essentially
Starting point is 00:57:24 when she's grown up and leaves, that I no longer i've lost my function yeah like i feel like this has been my primary function for well for well over a decade what is my primary function i feel like yeah i'm like a robot with nothing you lose it but i think it just changes as well as but and i think if you're close to your kids and they do leave and but you're still in touch with them or very much part of their lives somehow or another, you've got potentially grandchildren to look forward to. Well, exactly. Back in the day, she would have been married with a kid and you'd be taking over the job from step one again. But you've also got, you know, just the trials and tribulations of being an adult. you know, just the trials and tribulations of being an adult, you know, like you, you'll, you'll probably find that you will, um, hear from them a lot more because, you know, for like advice
Starting point is 00:58:09 and shit like that, you know, it's tough, it's tough becoming an adult and, and starting, uh, your, your life as an adult and stuff too, right? Did you listen to your parents a huge amount when you were a young adult? Probably more than I'd admit. Yeah. Like, uh, uh you know like you look back and think oh they never taught me anything but obviously they taught me something i mean jesus like you don't you don't just figure it out by yourself you know what i mean like you that sometimes they don't even need to say something like it's just like the you know that just the the example is enough i remember deeply and i still do deeply regret following some of the advice that i was given especially by my dad right about what to do with my life and i should have ignored him yeah i
Starting point is 00:58:50 should have absolutely ignored him so i feel like my job is not there to advise no and say you got to do this you're going to do that because you know that the ideas that my parents had about the working world were well out of date by the time i started work sure it wasn't the way things were anymore and i'm sure they'll be out of date when my kids don't work i'm not going to explain to them how to fucking get a job no and all this stupid shit that people talk about my mom always and my dad always told me about job interviews and stuff like like i was going to work for the fucking mad men like that kind of interview yeah what do you do with son you go in and smoke a cigar and slam a whiskey and shake a hand i think that i think like some advice is too specific to take though as well like
Starting point is 00:59:25 you you have to you have to filter it a little bit right like yeah i think when it comes to things like boilers and you know what to look for in a plumber yeah exactly how to fix a floor tile that kind of stuff i can help but there's certain things where it's like i think sometimes when you when you when you say that you're asking somebody for advice you're not actually really asking for specific advice you're just trying to get um a broader sense of the the dilemma that you're in right so like you ask somebody for advice and they give you an alternative way of doing something and sometimes just hearing that is enough for you to be like okay yeah that's not the way i want to do it right but it's actually inspired me to do it this way that I want to do it or whatever. And I think that, that, that can just be seen as like, yeah,
Starting point is 01:00:09 that person helped me, even though you didn't specifically just take their advice verbatim, you know what I mean? Like, so like probably a lot of that happened with my parents. Like, I don't think I, I don't think I took anything that they said overly seriously. But again, just by example and just sometimes having somebody to speak to when I wasn't sure or whatever was comforting, right? And it was enough to just get me through, get me over a hurdle or whatever. It's true. Shout out to parents. Yeah, big ups to all the parents out there. But you'll have that role too as your
Starting point is 01:00:45 kids get bigger right you probably now without realizing it there's a lot of stuff like that happening you know like i just tell them to be careful when they're crossing the road well yeah i tell them of all that kind of shit like don't do that you'll fall and break your neck stop running don't run in the house like all all that stuff but it all adds up in the end like you feel like you're a broken record nagging all the time but honestly like some of it does sink in and you know like you you definitely shape your kids whether you want to or not you know like uh just by being you so i i don't know yeah it's like i i don't think your your role ever ever like ceases to exist as long as that
Starting point is 01:01:21 you're you're just close to them and they you have some sort of hand in their in their life you know like even if that's not the same as it is now when they're small because they depend on you fully you know it's just just just being there you know i think that's well i'll always be there for him well there you go i think that's the best you can do that's very good yeah big big props to flax for always being there i think we've already done a big prop i mean it's just a good day you know good day for parents and and me Props to Flax for always being there, I think. We've already done our big props. I can't join the ranks. I mean, it's just a good day, you know? A Wordle, parents, and me. That's not me. What a steamed company.
Starting point is 01:01:51 You've got to celebrate yourself sometimes. And Wordle, of course. All right, take it easy, everyone. We'll see you next week. Peace. Bye. Bye.

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