Triforce! - Triforce! #208: Bigger than Jesus... in the Amazon

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

Triforce! Episode 208! We wonder what it takes to make a modern day celebrity, Pyrion intercepted trucker chat on his Batman HAM radio and we follow the miraculous journey of Icelands greatest treasure... a Big Mac. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, everyone. Thank you. Welcome back. Oh, it's wonderful to be here on the Triforce podcast. Man, it's approaching like four or five years actually i don't actually know how long it's been since we do that i should have i should have checked would you like me to check it's got to be about five years when the first episode uh of this podcast was i can tell you because like i was just thinking damn we've been doing this a long time it's got to be five years around five years right because it's how many episodes 200 so episode uno of the triforce podcast went out five years ago ah there we go march the 23rd 2016 holy 2016 yeah so we're approaching six years holy crap wow that's crazy in fact, we started it the week before my birthday.

So I'm going to turn 46 around the time that the Triforce turns six. Man, you're turning 46? Yeah. In two months. Not even that. So that means that I've been recording the Triforce podcast for longer than 10% of my lifetime. That's pretty good. Yeah.

And? Well, what's your takeaway at the end of it all? What do you think? Kill me. Kill you. You're done. done this is 10 of my life i've spent i've been a member of the tribe with more than that because 10 of my life would be four 4.6 years right yeah i mean your wife you've been with her over over 50 of your lifetime right yeah i think so yeah 60 or 65 so well you know what i'm gonna say i actually really enjoyed this podcast my uh my my thinking behind uh just about everything is that the the finest things in life are the things that come easiest right the things you don't think about the things that you

don't have to really make a lot of uh effort with you know what i mean the opposite of perceived wisdom i'm fascinated yeah it really is because like champagne's really quite high effort truffles are quite rare yeah uh steak takes quite no no for me like all the stuff that like the best stuff is is is the easy stuff for me like i just feel like you know like the stuff that you just take in your stride you know like the stuff you don't even realize you're doing but somebody will turn around be like how do you do that every day and you're like oh yeah i guess i do that every day those are those are like the stuff you don't even realize you're doing, but somebody will turn around and be like, how do you do that every day? And you're like, oh, yeah, I guess I do that every day. Those are those are like the best things, right?

The things you don't have to think about because then you just spend like less time thinking, overthinking, thinking, like analyzing like what you're doing and more time just doing it as long as you're having fun. Right. Like which things that you've done have required a great deal of effort, even just in the last few years that you weren't pleased with and that you didn't enjoy when they were completed? I'm not talking about tasks like cleaning up your garage, right? That's never going to be something that's like fun. But I'm saying something that you worked on and when you finished it, you were just like, you know what? I didn't enjoy this as much as just waking up in the morning and having a cup of coffee. I mean, because that's essentially what you're saying.

A normal job. Working hard for something and finally achieving it is far less satisfying than just having something that happens and you don't even notice it. I think that's really satisfying, actually, because you get to the end, you're like, oh, yeah, like this great thing has happened and I didn't even really realize it. But now I'm realizing it.

But I appreciate it sort of thing, right? I think if I worked a normal job uh day to day my life would be super different right I'd be probably really unhappy probably really uh feel like I like everything is more difficult right like you have to wake up at a certain time you have to go get out of your house by a certain time you've got kids that you need to like manage around all of that stuff as well so i guess like for me i'm just grateful that i don't have to do any of that stuff you know i can just i i i live at my own pace and that has come easy for me and when i look back i just think that's great like i'm really really one of the lucky ones right like

to be able to what are you good at say that i'm not i don't think i'm necessarily good at anything but i think i'm well no but you must be the things you do every day i think i'm good at chilling and that's why that's why that's what i strive to do all the time you know what i mean like we're a very chill guy i'm just not that's very healthy about it you know but i am fully chilling all the time well the the odds on you living the longest out of the three of us has just gone way up oh yeah i hope so i saw a picture on reddit today of a guy it was like an old grandpa playing what looked like crusader kings 3 on i'm not even joking it had to have been a 60 inch television screen and he was sitting like right up next to it forming the german empire and i thought that

that's it for him that's me i'm gonna that's that i'm gonna be that guy like probably in 20 30 years or whatever you know what i mean like my kids will be keep the dream alive grown and they'll be starting their lives and you know maybe having kids and stuff and i'm just gonna be playing ck3 or whatever like i'm just chilling yeah building the german empire if you did you see there was a steam game came out called uh sex with hitler no i haven't seen that god well people seem mostly angry because he had more than one testicle in it like that was the biggest reason people were mad about it i thought the whole testicle thing was a myth well his was historically what was he without one testicle like well that was the song hitler has only got

one ball the other is in the albert hall right isn't that how it goes so i don't know if that's true or if that was just a piece of popular propaganda amongst the troops to make fun of their enemy which is fair enough there was a lot of propaganda back absolutely but but but bear in mind that same song was used in was colonel bo Bogey from World War I. And then it was another song before that. And it sort of went all the way back. It was all this, it was always kind of a song that was sung by army types, you know, while they were marching along.

While they were marching. It's had hundreds of different lyrics along with it. Much like all of these, a lot of these old, so the Longest Johns, by the way, our friends, the sort of, I don't want to call them like pirate but it's kind of more like like sailing age of sailing singing um guys they they sing a lot of they just put their new album out it's called smoke and oakum i was listening to it this week and a lot of the songs are covers, but the covers are old traditional songs.

Are they mostly a cappella? Are they like a barbershop quartet sort of thing? Yeah, kind of. But it's a bit more distinct than that. Whereas a barbershop quartet is quite jolly and quite kind of automatically major key. I don't know. There's very specific sound to it, right? There's just a little bit more of a kind of sort of sailing.

I don't know, it's got more sort of sea theme to it. And that sound, I don't actually know how to describe it. I'm sorry, I'm doing a terrible job. But a lot of these songs, you know, were a historical song that they sang on British ships. And then it sort of got corrupted slightly when it went to America. And then it got corrupted slightly even more. And so there's quite a lot of songs that are sang about specific places

that are about places in Hawaii. It's like Take Me Back to Old Maui or whatever. Do you think that song Whiskey in the Jarrow is a bit like that? Because I can't, I don't understand it. I don't get it at all. What don't you get? The whole thing. Whiskey in the Jar.

I just find the entire thing kind of confusing. The song by Thin Lizzy? Well, I don't think... It's like an old folk song, though, right? It's not... I don't think Thin Lizzy devised the song in the first... Or maybe he did. So the Irish folk band the Dubliners performed it in the 60s.

So it's apparently an old song. Yeah, exactly. This kind of Irish sort of traditional kind of song. Exact histories are unknown. It's one of those. But it's one of these ones, exactly. And it goes back. Sometimes songs can be written in that style

and sometimes they can be inspired. And I think they follow certain like chords and progressions and things like this where it's got a certain, it sounds right, right? And that's all you need. And so I'm sure there's modern ones that sound like they're ancient and and vice versa but man i've really enjoyed listening to it and it's sort of it's got this

strangely inspiring kind of historical energy where it's i don't know it's the whole pioneer spirit and the kind of like going out there and braving this hard harsh world and trying to tame it or trying to try to live hard lives a lot of the time, in the mines or on a whaling ship or as a trapper or something in Northern Canada. There's this kind of strange, I don't want to say manliness about it, but sometimes songs, obviously, I listen to a lot of metal and I listen to a lot of- Do you? What really surprises me? to a lot of metal and i listen to a lot of like yeah he used to listen to um bodies by drowning

pool while he played wow pvp back in the day a lot it's true yeah big fan huge fan um but i love that sort of high energy kind of like pumping like metal music does it make you feel angry no it doesn't it makes me feel like like me feel like epic soundtracks. I also like listening to these kind of like Lord of the Rings soundtracks and stuff, but obviously not all of them. I've spoken about this before, but I hate how a soundtrack to a movie is often just every song that's in the movie. And so it's like a really odd journey of epic soundtrack, then sad bit,

then kind of weird, spooky bit, creepy bit. And it's like oh it's like a nine minute creepy track about him going through a spider den i'm like i don't want to listen i know those songs work so well with visuals but when you just listen to them on their own they're not as great right like yeah they could be great if you sort of use them like like as music to like uh you know like a like a story from a book or something like that i guess but it's a it's a lot more impactful with the visuals right and like the the the sort of like setting i mean also it's being composed specifically for what's happening on screen it

doesn't follow the normal pattern of a song yeah which is structured around the song so the moment you have a soundtrack it's like like you said there'll suddenly be like a a loud bit where someone's surprised someone you're like what was that about it was right in the middle of the song there's something that suddenly goes yeah like an interstellar that was the jump scare moment in the song you know it makes sense when you're watching the movie but not when you're just trying to do the washing yeah exactly so so i enjoy like i enjoy i actually use a lot of these like spotify the the sort of play song radio so like i find a song i like and then i choose to like play yeah i use that a lot it plays a lot of shit and uh another thing i've been doing a lot recently on spotify is uh is

listening to um this is lists you know like um it's it they're they're like the auto compiled best of things for like per artist or band yeah because like i've recently i've had to take uh my my son and my my middle daughter um to a lot of like parties and stuff like that which is required you know car trips not super long car trips but so every time we go in the car i load up uh this is of a of like a classic artist right like uh because i want them to like you know experience like like like a wide range of music and not just like this is nwa like tiktok music or whatever garbage they're listening to right now this is too bad yeah no no not not quite yet like we've had a couple of this is uh so so the the recent this is

we've had uh this is electric light orchestra which is which is pretty good uh this is blondie this is madonna this is michael jackson like we've had some we've had some classics and the the common theme with all of these like the big hit songs that like my kids probably have heard on the radio or whatever my son will always say oh i know this song it's in splatoon 2 like he says for every fucking song i love that like i could find the most uh the the most out there underground like hip-hop song ever and it'll have been in splatoon 2 according to this guy all right i got a question for you guys and this is uh this is something i got an email during the week from someone uh do you remember we in previous episode we talked about uh michael jackson's fame and how like everybody knew him um and it was there's that famous french uh documentary where they went to

meet one of these uh tribes living in the south american jungle they had heard of michael jackson the young the young people had heard of Michael Jackson, the elders had. Sure, yeah. But I mean, they'd never heard of Zinedine Zidane, which is a weird thing to think. I mean, a lot of people that don't even follow football in France probably might not have even heard of Zinedine Zidane. So I thought that was a weird one. He's got a very unique name to start with.

He does. And he was obviously a great player, but everybody had heard of Michael Jackson. That was the point, is even people that live literally off the grid and may see a television occasionally have seen this guy. So when we think about famous people nowadays and what is considered a superstar, I don't think that there's anyone that is famous now who's on the same level as as say the Beatles were and then Michael Jackson was yeah probably Madonna would also have to be up there do you think that's a sign of the time though like the way that we consume media is so different now you know whereas

before it was kind of prescribed to you that this person is famous this person is popular this person is famous, this person is popular, this person sees all of this airtime on things like MTV and commercial radio and stuff, but there's so many other outlets to consume media now that I don't think you can measure them the same anymore, right? Do you not think those people have heard of Kadeem Kardashian? No, no, no, I don't. I really don't. I reckon they're like, yes's the one with the ass. They know him.

They know him. They know who he is. So we're comparing, obviously, if you think about now, anybody with a phone is plugged in. So the point is, given that more people are connected and it's easier to view, you know, fame and see these superstars and all the rest of it and see why do we still not have, in my opinion, anyone as famous as he was? I don't think as a society anymore,

I think about this from time to time. And when you look back at some of the people who were very famous and stuff, it's different to what it is now. And I think there's a lot more emphasis on the way you look and your lifestyle nowadays, right? Because I feel like a long time ago, you would have had somebody who had a raw talent, like musically or whatever, but didn't have the looks for it. Like Elton John, for example, is a really good example of this, right? He's not like an oil painting and he never was one, right? But his musical talent was incredible. And he was-

He was never pitched at teenage girls. No, he never was. But he is pretty sensational, right? Like his music has reached corners of the globe that, you know what I mean? Like it would just be impossible. But I feel like nowadays it'd be really, really rare to get somebody like Elton John.

And what I mean by that is somebody who is very musically talented and is able to create these big hits, but also somebody who's just not conventionally attractive either, right? Like, because I feel like there's just so much emphasis on looks now and, like, this sort of manufactured look as well. Maybe that's always been there somewhat, but I feel like it's more so now. I do. I mean, if you look at the Beatles, just go ahead and Google the Beatles.

Find a picture of them from the black and white era when they were, like, enormous. Like, there was Beatlemania. They are four very average looking blokes at best. Well, they were though. They were just working class guys who played music together. But the thing is, teenage girls loved them. Yeah. So I don't think it's even just pitching that they have to be good looking to pitch them

at teenage girls. No, they were drips, dude. Yeah, but well well they were they they were like for sure sought after but they kind of um in a way like and and probably a couple bands before them though but they they they they probably in a roundabout way uh sort of created the notion of like a you know like a boy and and a girl band right like um with like you know everybody having like a similar style or similar haircuts and stuff like that i mean the beatles the beatles yeah without meaning to i think so

no no no because they were around for years they were around for years yeah i know that's what i'm saying though i'm saying that they probably paved the way for like a lot of boy bands no no i'm saying it had been around for before the beatles oh yeah i know but no but not nobody as like uh as as uh hugely like like beatlemania was yeah was was one of a kind right like you you never really had that with a band before yeah i don't think but i i don't know if there'd ever been any band before or since that's been as as as big as the beatles i mean people are still watching documentaries about them now. I think it has changed. I think they feel like nowadays capturing the majority. Basically, it's this kind of thing which I read about

called channel drift as well, right? Where stuff like the History Channel starts off doing history content, but then wants to chase more viewers, right? Or grow a different demographic or something like that. Yeah, but maybe just trying to hit the biggest demographic and that is means they end up doing this reality tv stuff and they do the swag hunters and the flipping what is it called storage wars and all this stuff which is very loosely tied to history because they're looking for historical shit yeah storage in old storage

it's basically reality tv right and and so they drift away from what they do. And this happens again and again. And it's kind of a natural business cycle thing, right? Where, you know, something like VH1 was originally called Video Hits 1. And then they just rebrand themselves to VH1. They do anything. And even like Syfy, you know, rebranded. They were called the Syfy channel. They rebranded to like SYFY.

And then they just can kind of put anything on there. There was this time when the Weather channel um started trying to change their content and they started doing a friday night movie oh yeah that was related to the weather every friday night they had the perfect storm perfect storm twister any of those volcano movies the volcano nice Nice, nice. But there was such a sort of outcry at this because it just felt so weird. Yeah.

But you know how the people behind the scenes kind of were like, we've got to do something to up our views, our ratings. The guys upstairs want us to hit a new audience. You know, what can we do? I know we're called the Weather Channel, but look at these other channels who are called, you know, the we do i know we do we're called the weather channel um but look at these other

channels who are called you know the the knitting channel they're doing stuff about with with you know they've got the clangers on there now they're just because they were knitted or whatever do you i mean i think this this also happens with with pop stars right these these record agencies and people who run the show realize that the big demographic is this certain group of people and they make the majority of their content for those and that is why we have the doja cat and the the the all this all this weird stuff which i don't like or understand but i know that it hits the majority demographic is it is it what i think she's like a rapper do we want to know uh she's just like a rapper but like all of them okay I thought it was like Jingle Cats kind of thing

There's like a rapper called Becky G and Lil Bibby and Ellie Phan And RC and Juicy J And all these people And they're all just Paper Route Kesha, everyone knows Kesha right You know the people of that oeuvre

Yeah Who I don't understand Did you just say oeuvre? of that oeuvre. Yeah. Who I don't understand. Did you just say oeuvre? Never will understand. Yes. Nice. Oeuvre. It's an oeuvre, right?

It's an oeuvre, yeah. It's a TikTok-styled thing. You know, you hear the music playing in the background of a TikTok, and you're like, oh. And it'll be in Splatoon 2. Yeah, it's probably in Splatoon 2, honestly. But, I mean, it's not aimed at me. I'm listening to the Longest Johns album.atoon 2 honestly but i mean i i just i'm the i'm it's not aimed at me i'm listening to the longest john's album do you mean i'm listening to weird stuff that spotify

throws up yeah i think as we grow you're right about this this idea of people being super famous because i think there were always back in the day um people who were even in like before the war kind of thing people who were in the newspapers as the most famous people in the world. Yeah, you had this sort of sense of like a, you know, like high society. And they were limited though, right? You had like Hollywood and maybe a couple of others or whatever. But nowadays you have all sorts, right? Like you have, like in our world world for example which i i know is

is a small part of the like overall world but like you know like on youtube or twitch or whatever you have you know like the top 10 youtubers or top 10 streamers and stuff you know and you you could argue that they're quite quite famous quite popular. They have lots of viewers. They have lots of people who follow them and stuff. But like, will they ever get as big as like, say Michael Jackson did in the 80s? Probably not. Because the landscape is totally different. That megastar, mega kind of, everyone had to,

everyone was, because there weren't so many, it was kind of at the start of cable TV and things like was the explosion really where people were able to choose right because before that there weren't that many channels there weren't that many sources there were that many places to access your here's my question here's my question if people and this is something i saw quite a funny tweet the other day that people's people um people thought that lack of access to information was what was making people stupid. But it turns out that access to information has made people even stupider. So if we're saying that the reason that Michael Jackson was so famous was because there weren't

as many avenues in which people could consume media media then how did he get so famous it's a bit of a paradox to say that now that it's even easier to consume media to watch stuff that we don't have anyone as famous as that now that that either means that we've diluted the pool of potential famous people but he was famous from the point of the jackson five like when he was a kid yeah all the way up until his death, it would be pretty easy to say that Michael Jackson remained the most famous person for, you know, for what reason. You're right.

I think it was this viral story that kept on giving, you know, every stage of his life was- There was a controversy in the news for sure, which would have fed into it. But again- He never stopped being in the news, right? Yeah. But I think, again, it was such a- It was so simplistic back then as well.

Your PR people sold this idea of you to the commercial radio or to MTV or whatever. And you got massive playtime in order to shift units, and that was it. But nowadays, there's so much more to it, you know what I mean? And I think that's why it's different. But the PR people are much cleverer now. I don't know if they're much cleverer.

It's just changed a lot. No, they've got so much more experience. And if you think about the growth of that whole idea of carefully managing the public appearance of a person has grown as fame has now become a thing that a lot of people seek, especially there's a whole industry for it. And they were all learning from what went before. So I think in terms of all aspects of public relations and spin and all the rest of it has become much more advanced and much more sort of honed like most other things do over time so it should be even the skill set should be even more powerful in terms of making someone famous and having all these channels to pump them into and and promote

them and i just think it's interesting because you'll have people who seem to be mega famous but then they kind of drop off like bam there's a new thing that's come along well that's because there's so like again it's a much larger pool right and and i think it makes it harder you know like i mean it's like a lot of people want to become streamers or want to become youtubers or whatever and i and i i guess that a lot of them run into the exact same problem where it's just it's hard to grow right and that's because there's just so much more out there that people are already uh watching or used to watching or a style that they become used to watching or whatever and like i think you know coming back to this idea of like a pr person or whatever i had imagined that those jobs are really hard nowadays because you're you're

not looking at one big chunky demographic you're you're trying to like look at lots of little ones i feel like you know because there's so much choice everybody just wants and uh wants to be unique with what they're no i think it's just listening to and stuff as well it's homogenization though because every fucking twitter feed and social media feed aldi tesco pringles kfc they all behave the same like they're some 20 year old meme lord posting emojis and edgy things and like oh um oh check out the new pringly bees just just released hashtag pringle breeze do you know i mean like and they'll fucking put a crying emoji in there they're all the fucking same because that appeals to the largest demographic and i feel like

i feel like that's it's become kind of it's you know you're not gonna get like worth as original social media being like don't understand all these old fucking stupid social medias of the other people i mean it's not gonna be the proper personality worth's original it's gonna be like oh popping around to my grandpa's to give him a worthers were the bees were the worthers o's do you mean it was all stupid and hashtags and like the same. When the Werther's dissolves. They have to behave like a 20-year-old hipster. When the Werther's dissolves, but she keep on sucking.

Man, I feel like a sexually charged campaign for Werther's is what that brand needs right now. Honestly, just get some just just get some like uh some naked chicks on there but like a werther's is just uh covering up their nipples or something yeah like calendar you know what i mean like that's just one idea there's like a lot of things that they could do we've we talked before about when when you look at tv viewing figures uh they were much higher because there were less channels so i wonder if the fact that there are so many people out there being shoved in your face as famous it's almost hard to tell which ones are

famous for a good reason and which ones you're just kind of into for a bit and then i mean look at like these shows like uh on channel four and channel three mostly it feels like you know celebrity dinner date celebrities dating celebrity mansion makeover celebrity man i haven't even heard of half of the people that they're saying are celebrities i know and like and when it comes to it it's like oh yeah he was a contestant in a reality show okay but come on that's not actually a celebrity like get like you know if if you had like fucking stevie wonder on there or something i'd be like okay yeah i know who that is like yeah an actual celebrity but like but then again like there's different terms though isn't there like you know they have like megastar and stuff like this you know i mean and star like if you're a star i think

it's different to being a celebrity i think a celebrity can be anyone who's ever done anything that got them in the news who do we think is a superstar nowadays like who do you think we could actually look at and say they're an actual superstar i guess i guess what i want to know is who those people in the jungle of you know the amazonian rainforest you know you you make your three-day trek out there through like snakes and mosquitoes and shit and you get there to the village and they're all like you know oh what's the latest news about and then they fucking say i don't know le, Lionel Messi or whatever. Like, who is the big... Probably like Eminem, right? Eminem's probably big enough to be known.

I'd imagine that a tribe out there in South... Eminem? Yeah, he's pretty big, man. Come on, man. He's not my cup of tea, but... How much sticking power has he got? That's the thing. Because, you know, you look at these old people,

like Bing, Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Cary Grant, certain film stars from the war era. How much sticking power did they have into the 60s, 70s? Maybe not Eminem, but maybe Rihanna or someone like that. So let's take Drake, who's probably one of the most famous people around at the moment. I mean, he owns a private fucking jumbo jet. The guy's made a fortune so does john travolta like come on let's i know but i'm just saying like drake is a big deal like he's certainly

when when he puts an album out whatever yeah kanye west kanye yeah although i can't stand the guy i would say in a in a very similar way to michael jackson even the weirdo negative press about him is keeping his name out there and you kind of want to know what he's going to do next because he's such a nut. Yeah. I think Kanye, Drake, those are two guys that you would say are up there in terms of what we would consider modern superstars. But I don't think that either of them really would have the same longevity that Michael Jackson would have in terms of literally being famous his entire life and people around the world knowing who he is.

Yeah. And having, do you think part of it was he had an iconic something, the glove? He had the signature dance move as well, right? The dance move, right? He was a very good dancer. When you see that guy move, it's unbelievable. It's like, it doesn't even seem human. His songs are also incredibly popular.

I mean, Thriller is like the best-selling album hold on yeah what shut the fuck up if your dog is barking don't just shut up what is wrong with people trust me on the wall all right cut that no don't cut that tom we know i want this in here i want this in here all right If your dog is out the back of your house, it's just going, rah, rah, rah, rah. Have a fucking word with it. Go and say no. You need something. Go inside.

No, they're just yipping at like a bird or the sky or they heard another dog. Don't let them just do it. It's an objectionable noise. Okay, good. Thank you, Tom. On Kanye, this week, he posted a picture on his Instagram of a piece of A4 paper

on which he wrote a little thing with a Sharpie. It says, my focus is on building real products in the real world. Real food, real clothes, real shelter. Do not ask me to do a fucking NFT. Yay. That's Kanye? That's Kanye. God, I actually thought he would have been all over that shit.

No. So fair enough it sounds like i never thought i'd find myself agreeing with can you god bless you you've gone up in my estimation all the shit you've done that i can't forgive but that one thing you can't remember i invested in uh five nfts this week alone so i'm gonna have to say I disagree with Kanye. What did you get? I bought an animated gif of a cat. Of an ant? A cat.

Oh, a cat. And I also bought a Go on, look around your room and see what you can spot. Tracer fan art. What else did I get? Lots of Overwatch porn. I feel like it's going gonna get even bigger than it already is so you gotta make sure you want to hit the ground floor yeah with all that with all those

with those images that now i i now own congrats proud proud owner thank you very much can you send me a copy thanks i'm gonna will them to my children one day as well so that they can enjoy them too here's my whole collection of nfts kids i've got i've got a few minutes to live i wanted to divide my bored apes up between you while i still have the chance you get the one with the eye patch oh thank goodness thank you papa you you can have the one smoke and a pipe oh i didn't want that one tough you're stuck with it in a very weak way fuck you it's your ape now bitch tough shit idiot you've got that you get what you're given take good care of him so in the news this week uh there was a teenager jack sweeney set up a twitter account

right that automatically tracks elon's private jet oh nice that's where he where he flies where he flies to yeah because it's all public available data right yeah of course you could just uh like plane finder right you could probably just figure it out by looking on plane finder however elon asked uh him to shut it down right uh offered him five thousand dollars to shut it down five thousand dollars yeah and the kid said, how about 50? And he said, well, how about nothing? The kid said, how about 50? And Elon said, how about nothing?

And then he said, can I have an internship at... I'll give Elon $5,000 if he shuts down his mouth from ever talking again. $5,000. What an idiot. What a fucking idiot that guy is. But the kid said, he's my idol. Like loads of people love Elon Musk.

Like they love him. I don't really understand why. Yeah. He actually is doing it out of passion. Obviously, it's not great, is it, to have your- No, it isn't. It's a very private thing. No, it's not.

You can look it up on SkyTracker. It's all very public, yeah. People will be doing it for a while. I mean, people, you're not meant to tune in to the frequencies for the planes, but loads of people do. They tune in to the trucker frequencies a lot too, don't they? We used to do that too. Breaker, breaker, one, nine.

This is Randy, Roger, Andy. Randy, Roger. Cruising down the I-35 It's looking fine Randy this is Becky over in Blue truck to your left Could you move over cause I'm stuck On the inside lane Becky you can go to hell

I ain't moving Breaker 1-8 Randy's being an asshole again Breaker Breaker 4-20 breaker uh breaker 420 69 i'm coming in hot and heavy on the freeway um i'll save you becky i love you there was a toy when i was a kid in the 80s it was the batman bat um radio bat ham radio and it was an actual working receiver and transmitting radio with all batman branding and all the rest of that yeah you could tune in to the frequencies that cab drivers and truckers used and we would go to my mate's house we would have been about seven and we would

tune in to the trucker frequencies listen in And when they were talking and we knew they were talking, we'd just go. Just do fart noises. And they'd be like, go up to kids. Piss me off. They'd go up a couple. We'd follow the try and find them again. You guys are idiots. For like hours.

Breaker one nine. We've got a farter on the line. We got another farter. I'll track you down. I remember as well. As well, I borrowed my friend at school. This is, I don't know why I enjoyed this so much. But when I, this would have been about 14, 15 in the UK, maybe a little younger.

He had a ham radio and he would lend it out. He had like five or six of them. He built a massive antenna in his back garden. And there's a limit on how high, any ham enthusiasts out there can, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a limit on how high any ham enthusiasts out there can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a limit on how high a privately owned antenna can be. So if you hide it, you can get away with a bigger one. So he hid his in a tree.

So it was sort of sticking up alongside this tree and up into the branches. So you couldn't really see it from the road because apparently there is a limit on how high they can be because otherwise the frequency is too strong. And I think if you use too much power and everything, you can pick up stuff you shouldn't be picking up, I guess. I don't know. Anyway, we would get this, get that. And people all over Dorset would be using this instead of using a phone. They would fucking call each other on the radio.

And they're so much cheaper. You could just listen in on their fucking conversations and occasionally chip in. And they would always say the same thing. Listen here, young man. I've got a button here that will blow up your radio if you don't change frequency. conversations and occasionally chip in and they would always say the same thing listen here young man i've got a button here that will blow up your radio if you don't change frequency that's what they would threaten you with oh my fucking god they had a button that's like the early internet thing where people would be like i'm gonna fucking come around i i don't i'm gonna ban you i'm gonna come around to your house and i know where you live i could track your ip it sounds like uh the movie uh like diary of a wimpy kid summer vacation like where everybody is using radios like okay

tim i'm going to bed now okay night mindy they've got their fucking radios next to their bed and stuff like uh or like the wonder years it sounds like something out of the wonder years yeah it was it was okay kevin i'm just gonna get some shut up you listen you little shit are you the fucker who's got that barking yapping dog in his garden i'm gonna fucking wring your neck you little cunt what are you fucking doing oh sorry mister i was just saying good night to mindy now listen here you little shit man can i um can we change uh topic uh very quickly not because i'm uncomfortable with it but because i would like to talk about that fucking documentary on netflix the puppet master that that i didn't want to watch it oh yeah man it's not scary it's fuck it's it's kind of infuriating at parts in my

opinion like um it's it's it's crazy like it's i it's it's bizarre it's kind of unbelievable and um and it it feels like you're watching an episode of rip off britain but like uh like an extended version or something you know what i mean so yeah this is wild do you remember that old that other that other thing on on netflix that was the podcast where it was that scam guy who sort of infiltrated his way into these women's lives, sort of met them on dating sites. Oh, was it like the Tinder something? Yeah, what's that fucking called? Tinder guy something. God, I can't remember.

He was actually convicted, right? Yeah. He went to jail. No, he didn't. Oh, he didn't? No, right. No, spoilers. Shows how much I know about the subject. right like yeah like he he went he's he went to jail no he didn't no he didn't no right okay no spoilers shows how much i know about the subject but god it was quite famous as well um i can't remember what it was called shit my brain sorry anyway there's this sort of thing where there's

these exploitative sort of good-looking middle-aged guys who kind of prey on middle-aged women on dating yeah what's it the terms like coercive something but it it was not illegal to do this stuff up until what i don't think it still is kind of i mean there's obviously low level it's always done to a low level there's these good looking guys who just want to sort of have a new girlfriend every month or whatever and so they kind of work their way through lots of different women but some of them seem to be some sort of have a new girlfriend every month or whatever and so they kind of work their way through lots of different women but some of them seem to be some sort of like grooming ground for them for sure nowadays but there's definitely a lot of creepy people out there but this guy particularly this guy that the documentary is about it's not it's not it's not really creepy

it's just a bit weird so he his thing is that he tells people that he's an MI5 agent, which is like... Oh, yeah. I think Louis Theroux did an investigation on someone. Straight away, though. Like, if somebody told you that they were an MI5 agent, you would know, okay, like, this person is insane. No MI5 agent is ever going to tell you that they're an MI5 agent, right? Like, straight up. There's just no way.

I think blaming people for being gullible is... i'm not sorry i i don't mean to blame people for being gullible because the the the the hardships that they've had to go through with all of this like a lot of people are very lonely as well and i think if you finally meet someone and they seem really nice and charismatic most con men are very likable sure that's why they're able to do it it's so i feel terrible watching yeah it's it's awful like this this this one woman who was a student when uh she first got mixed up with this guy so his whole thing was he was working at a at a pub nearby to this like uh agricultural school and this one one of the students was was regularly going in and just sort of got to know him over time and then one day he's like oh by the way uh i i this isn't

my real job i'm not really who i say i am i'm an mi5 agent and i'm here uh investigating possible like uh ira cells like in in the local area and we think think that you're in danger and there's an IRA cell working in your school. And I'm going to help you. I'm going to train you in combat and stuff. And then we're going to sort this out. And so this guy had two roommates, two female roommates living with him. And so they just decide one day, all right, we got to get out of here. Like the situation's critical. You know, the mission aborted, we're going to be found out and nobody's safe anymore. So you're going to have to tell your roommates that you're terminally ill to convince them to come on this road trip with us. And then we're going to flee here and we're going to get

you to a safe spot and figure it out sort of thing. My superiors are telling me to do this. So he's like, OK, fine, I'll do that. So he does it. He tells the roommates that he's like he's got terminal cancer and he's got this bucket list of places he wants to see all over the UK. And let's go now because I don't have long left to live or whatever. So these girls are like, well, shit. Yeah, OK, let's go. Like, I can't believe you're going to die.

This is so sad, whatever. And so they hit the road across the uk and this goes on for 10 10 years yeah this goes on sorry you cut out it goes on for i think that's a noise gate problem yeah it might be my i might be over emphasizing the 10 into mic. 10 years it goes on for. And he fleeces them and their families for hundreds of thousands of pounds in the process as well. Always like they go to like a safe house. They just live like he just controls every aspect of their life. You know, like where they work. It's kind of weird because his strategy is really to get them to work a job and then pay him.

Yes. Do you see what I mean? They're kind of like prostitutes or something and he's like a pimp. He's done a bit of research ahead as well where he knows that the family has a bit of money or some inheritance or something that he can then convince them to sort of pay out to one of the people that he's coercing or whatever. And it's insane. It's just insane. It's being trapped to these sort of, eventually, you know, he starts moving on to,

you know, women and stuff and kind of taking their money and, you know, getting them massively in debt. You know, for example, like he'll date a woman and then get massively in debt to the point of like, you know, remortgaging their house, making loads of money. And then usually running off with them or them eventually or breaking up with them eventually and leaving

them with you know but the craziest thing is how he manages to sort of isolate them from all of their family and well i think that's like the biggest red flag isn't it like if if if you he just cuts them off completely it's crazy i mean i can see where it's coming from though like you know these these women they meet this guy. He's exciting. He's nice, good looking. He takes them on adventures. He gives them a new sort of lease of life.

They go on holiday to France and do all these things. It's exciting. And he's a spy as well. He's like a dreamboat compared to her previous husband, who was a builder and all the kids who hate me, blah, blah, blah. You know, and so you get wrapped up in this fantasy, right? And you're willing to sort of overlook these red flags when they come up and not react.

And, you know, everyone, and kind of like a lot of people's families react so vehemently that it makes people dig their heels in and it makes people kind of stubborn. And I think that the main story is about this sort of, these two kids who are sort of And I think that the main story is about this sort of these two kids who are sort of, I think, like 20 now, kind of their mum has kind of gone off with this guy.

That's right, yeah. And they haven't talked to her for years and stuff. And they were really close to her. Like imagine your mum just meets somebody one day, goes off with them. He sort of socially manipulates your house situation to a point where your kids just want to move out because it's impossible. Like he's not – I don't know if he's being like physically abusive in any of these cases, but definitely like mentally manipulative and abusive and stuff.

So these kids just eventually think I have to move out or whatever. And he completely isolates the mom from like the the rest of the family and she's still alive like she's out there but she just like doesn't interact with her family whatsoever now like it's sorry pflex i know this is stressing you out well it's stressing you out talking about this stuff no i i'm not i'm just listening i haven't seen it yeah you sure i don't know why i mean i don't know if it's your thing but like it's it's it's interesting to avoid true crime stuff yeah because like I if it's a real like I enjoyed the one about the night stalker the I thought that that documentary was quite interesting the one about the you know how they caught him yeah like I generally like the ones where they catch someone yeah um because I don't know it's just it's horrible to think that these uh that there are people out there who like I would

say I was talking about the motorcycle thieves the other week right and they they nick that motorcycle that's just the kind of opportunist crime where you know that there's light-fingered assholes out there who will just nick something if they see it and they think they can get away with it they didn't even sell it they just fucking they're just bored stupid destructive kids who went out and did this whatever people like that have always existed and it's annoying but they're unlikely to track someone for years and bring about their downfall. Do you know what I mean? Like this isn't going to be the kind of soul destroying, life changing event, someone nicking your motorcycle. Like it's going to be annoying and it might make you trust people a bit less for a while and maybe you get a new lock or whatever.

And it's a pain in the ass. I've had stuff, Nick, that it's really fucking annoying. But when you have your entire life invalidated by someone, you don't know who you can trust. You know, I think it's awful. And I don't find, normally these people don't get caught so much as they just keep doing it for years

and then finally it catches up with them. But there's no sort of police force out there tracking them. There's no manhunt. There's no detective to talk to. It just unravels. I just find it so depressing that they live their lives like that. Day to day, they're waking up and thinking,

which lie do I tell today? And I just think it's really, really sad. It's Dirty John is the one I was thinking of. I listened to the podcast back in the day. I found it. Dirty John. Dirty John. And it was, I think,

you can kind of see how these guys trap themselves in it though, right, as well. Like it becomes something that's so easy to them and, oh, I'm not,

you know, I'm not really hurting anyone. I don't know. I don't know. It's like weird how it's kind of, they don't, often don't get in trouble for it either like it's no it's not illegal no to do to do these so these sort of

the things where they convince someone to give them money or yeah well you know yeah it's it's very hard to it's very hard to prove any any sort of illegality there and it makes it scary for for everyone else as well because everyone also thinks like my God, is my partner being manipulative in some way? Or like, you know, I don't know, like it can put it can put like a negative spin on everything you think about if you're too worried about people out there being being monsters. I don't know. I guess it's a sliding scale, though. Like, I'm sure there's lots of people who are to small scale manipulative you know i think you just have to look you have to kind of you just have to i think you have to have the ability to step back and and and have other people around you and make sure you're not being distanced from

from family and friends you know that kind of stuff like you said like is trust the people that you've known all your life rather than the person that you've just met on tinder who's promising you the world kind of thing yeah um like a sexy ferrari and and stuff he bought it yeah he bought the uh this this woman that he's uh that he met on the dating app or whatever his big thing was that he was like rich and he had a lot of money and and everything and uh so he bought he bought her like a brand new audi when they first got together and she was like wow i can't believe like top of the line brand new audi and then it it transpires years later they look into it and like he just financed it in her name oh man so she's just been like i don't know man it's crazy they ran away from all the debts right yeah they just they did

yeah they fleed they just i don't think they even live in the country anymore right because they know i think they just created so many debts and problems and stuff that they just had to leave um it's wild it's it's it's insane like maybe watch it and see what you think it's like it's not that long it's like three three parts it's like three i've been watching uh i watched men in black uh yesterday uh with my uh with my youngest. The original one? Yeah, the original one, which I think is like the other two are not worth watching. You don't rate Men in Black international?

Sadly, no. Oh, okay. So we watched it. I said to her, come watch a movie with me. She was like, no. I was like, come on. She's like, fine. Stomped downstairs.

And as soon as it started, she was hooked. Because you know the scene where they open the van up and there's all the guys going across the border and one of them doesn't speak Spanish. And Kay is sort of, you know, eventually they remove the disguise and it's like an alien holding a human head on a stick. And then he runs around and they blast him

and he covers the state trooper in goop. That's the opening scene. She was like, I've got to know more she's like so many questions like one of the things i don't really explain is um vincent d'onofrio's character is like a giant insect in a human skin suit right like he kills that guy takes his skin off and wears it and bugs keep coming out of his sleeves and stuff like cockroaches and she couldn't explain she was like why does the why do bugs keep coming out of him like she really she like cockroaches. And she couldn't explain. She was like, why does the, why do bugs keep coming out of him? Like she really, she was really grossed out watching it back again. It is quite a gross movie. Yeah, it's pretty gross.

Yeah, it is. Like there's, like there's lots of violence in it. Lots of quite gory stuff, like things getting cut in half and people, like there's a point that I hadn't um thought about how scary it is as a movie but there's a scene where he stuffed someone in a shelf and their legs are all folded backwards and they're dead and they've got like a really horrified expression on their face she was really shocked by that and i was like yeah that is really pretty fucking scary to put in a in a kids film like i was really kind of shocked but then i thought is men in black meant to be a kids film

i think it is i don't know man but when men in black came out i remember when it was released i went to see it at a drive-thru oh that would be awesome i love i'd love to go it was pretty good yeah it was like even even at the time drive-thrus were like a thing of the past but they there was a local one that was just like kind of you know catering to like nostalgia or whatever it was open and it was like kind of a i don't know if it's still open or not but it was one of those it was like you know for people who really like going to drive-thrus from from you know days days gone or whatever so yeah we went to go see it at a drive-thru it was pretty it was pretty good you

had to like you had to hook up the thing to your car stereo and just sit in your car and watch a movie. It's pretty funny. You know what? I remember for anyone that used to watch the Flintstones when they were a kid, so older people, they don't show it on TV anymore, I don't think, but I would watch the Flintstones because there was, you know, fuck all else on and Flintstones is on, whatever. Good reason to watch the Flintstones. It's not a funny show. Why do you like this show?

Well, there's fucking nothing else on. Fuck all else on. What fucking else am I going to do? What the fuck is Flintstones? good reason to watch the it's not a funny show like you watch it it's not funny and at the start of it they go to the drive-thru in the car and the the drive-thru waitress comes over and she puts a giant like it's either of the ribs of an animal like that they're meant to eat or a giant shell i could never quite decide and i think it's meant to be ribs they order the ribs. And of course the ribs are of a brontosaurus or whatever, you know, they bring over this huge set of ribs and the car tips over. But I was like, where are they? That they're eating outside. I'd never been to a drive-thru. I mean, growing up, you know, in New York, there weren't drive-thrus that I knew of. And in the UK, there definitely weren't drive-thrus. It wasn't a thing. When you go out into

more rural areas in America, drive-thru cinemas were much more common. And I'm sure that, I mean, the Flintstones was made in the fifties. So I was like, where are they? Like this way, they're eating outside. Is that because it's the past? Like, what is this giant thing they put on the side of the car? But it might've been the speakers. I don't know. It was very confusing, but that was my only exposure to drive-in theaters with the fucking Flintstones. I didn't explain it. Didn't explain it well at all no but it's a very north american thing right like yeah and an old north american thing at that like yeah but the flintstones came out in like the 60s right they are still going yeah i think some in some places they're still going yeah it's interesting

how much the world has changed on some elements so quickly. Yeah. Like some things like Men in Black. I mean, yeah, sure. It's 25 years old, but it does feel I'm sure like a lot of that movie felt like completely out of touch and out of fashion and old and dated. Right. Yeah. Because because things just change so fast. Yeah. No, she honestly at no point was it like the only thing that was missing was I mean, they

had mobile phones because they were the Men in Black. Yeah. So it really didn't look that dated. I mean, in a weird way, it just didn't. Like, I wasn't watching and thinking, oh, man, that's a blast from the past. You know, none of that. Like, it pretty much felt like this movie could have come out recently. Even some of the effects were pretty good.

Yeah, go ahead and watch it. And I mean, my youngest is extremely observant about things like this. And she's like, there's a scene where they're in a police station and they're interviewing Will Smith's character about what happened with the cephalopod that he chased down. And she's like, pause it, pause it. And I pause the film. She's like, there, that's the coffee cup that I see everywhere. I said, what do you mean? And there is a coffee cup. This is the Greek coffee cup. It's a New York thing. It's greek coffee cup it's it's a new york thing it's a blue coffee cup and it says we are happy to serve you or something like that on it and it's got kind of greek uh artistry style writing yeah but it's also got the kind of little pillars and all the

rest of it she said that that was the same coffee cup they had in the new spider-man movie so who spots that kind of stuff like she does she spots that kind of stuff but she she does, she spots that kind of stuff. But she saw this coffee cup and she saw the same one in Men in Black. She was like, what is going on? I've never seen that coffee cup. What's the deal? So I looked it up and it's quite, it's a relatively interesting story,

but essentially these were the coffee cups that all the independent coffee stores chains use. They sold like half a billion of them at their peak. And then they started to peter out when starbucks came along in the 90s and starbucks coffee you know had their own coffee cups obviously and all the independent chains they still use them but they're much much rarer than they used to be but if you ever see them in a movie those coffee cups and you think what fucking chain is that i thought is it dunkin donuts i don't know but i'm pretty sure that would have the orange and and

pink writing on i say dunkin donuts so i didn't know't know, but I'm pretty sure that would have the orange and pink writing on it saying Dunkin' Donuts. So I didn't know what it was. But there you go. So it was like the standard independent coffee shop, coffee cup that they would all have for years. It became like a New York sort of, what would be the word? Not a trend, just a staple, I guess. It was like this thing that they all had.

So if you ever see them in a movie, that's what that is you can go ahead and look it up well also there's the the i always remember we had these things called the these duralex glass drink water drinking sort of glasses you know that you see or used to see absolutely fucking everywhere um they were basically i think it's called the the gigoyne glass but it had like a little number in it. You know, you drink your water and it would have a number. I think everyone in the UK, maybe like on the continent as well, there was this little glass tumbler and it was everywhere. And you still see them everywhere, like in restaurants and in like, it had a little number and that number apparently refers to the,

like the machine that makes that, like the number of the machine, number 14. So if there were any faults, they'd know which one's going wrong. But it's kind of, it was just this interesting thing that you just, I was just, cause I read it this week as well. Like, and they sold to Pyrex, who are the big kind of heated glass, you know, shatter resistant glass. And their whole company only sold for like

four million euros and i was like man they've been going making these glasses that are like super iconic and and you've got like i don't know to me that doesn't seem like much because of the numbers that you see blizzard and stuff selling for right right you know something in the real world that we have bungee now as well eh sony are going to buy Bungie for a couple of billion. Yeah, it's like, it's just, it's felt like a, just a small amount of money bearing in mind, like how, you know, it's been going for 77 years and it's got like 200 employees.

That's still a tidy little sum though. Maybe they're not making as much as they used to or something, but it feels interesting. But that's a genuine valuation of a company. I mean, I guess you look at the assets and their sales and their profits, and that's how much the companies work. They probably actually have stock of products and stuff.

But to me, it's so almost wonderful that there's a company that's been going for 77 years, making basically the same thing with basically the same people in basically the same place, selling to basically the same people for 77 years. And I don't know, like, there's something nice about that. We're always going to need glasses to drink out of as humans, right?

Even in the hundreds of years of the future, people are still going to want to drink water out of these things. And they're a classic design. They're cheap. They don't shatter and cut you. Or maybe they fucking do. I don't know. I've never broken one.

They seem like cool things. And I just thought that was a nice thing. shatter and like cut you or maybe they'd fucking do i don't know i've never broken one they seem like they seem like cool things and i just thought that was a man you should get a job there as a salesman for them like i feel like you'd be really good well they think they'll maybe it's too late now another sort of wholesome story i read this week was that there was this kid in in america this eight-year-old in idaho who took his handwritten book into the local public library and put it in the children's section right and then when they came back uh someone had already loaned it out um and now there's a wait list for it all right so he wrote his book it's called the adventures of Dylan Helbig's chrismas he spelled Christmas wrong right but it's a very wholesome, wholesome story.

Do you want to hear a sad story? That was nice. Go on, you can hear a sad story. So the oldest company, or the longest running company in existence, Kongo Gumi, apologize to anyone that speaks Japanese for my pronunciation there, was founded in the year 578. Wow. Okay.

It's a construction company in japan it was the longest running company in history 1400 years right it was a family-owned construction company tracing its origins to 578 when prince shotoku invited three craftsmen to build some stuff and they were like we should make a company and they were like oh this won't last and then it did 1444 years then the company fell on hard times and went into liquidation in january 2006 and was purchased by the takamatsu construction group before its liquidation it had as few as 100 employees and in 2005 its annual revenue was only 70 million dollars but it specialized in building buddhist temples and right yeah the the the last president was masa kazu congo the 40th to lead the firm the 40th congo the 40th person of his lineage to lead the firm and i just think that that is amazing that is 1400 years yeah the oldest running one in Europe is St. Peter.

Now, hold on a sec. Stift Skullinarium, which is a restaurant within the walls of St. Peter's Abbey in Salzburg, Austria. And it's been operating since 803 A.D. Jesus Christ. Which is ridiculous. And then there's another one in Germany. ridiculous and then there's another one in germany stavel to hoff which is a brew a distillery and winery and guest house that has been running uh since around the same kind of time it's been going since and that's been around long enough for them to have accepted at one point the currency of like

ducats or like denarii or something right yeah or just bits of gold i remember the change from denarii to euros tough times tough times for the restaurant so in terms of the uk the royal mint is a government-owned mint so that's technically one of the oldest there's 886 but the actual company otterton mill a water mill in the uk set beside the river otter in devon it was recorded in the doomsday book in 1086 this mill and it's still running the history in europe is friggin nuts it is it goes way back well it just makes you realize if you want to you know make something you've got no idea what the future is going to hold for the stuff that you make right or how long you're you know people always i mean like not many that building i guess the cafe or the name they seem to persist through time but but you know certainly like it's hard

it's certainly hard to to to travel or stay relevant and interesting into the future and less and less people do and it's random as well like you know sometimes who who we who we know and recognize from old times listen let me share with you my blast from the past before we finish up okay um i walk into my living room the other day and uh fucking fraggle rock is on tv they remade it yeah so i say to myself how did you find the fraggle rock and he's like oh it's just. So I say to myself, like, wow, how did you find Fraggle Rock? And he's like, oh, it's just on Apple TV+. And I was like, what, like a new one? He's like, yeah, yeah.

They're like, it's just come out. I was like, I used to watch this when I was your age, like before I went to bed. I can't remember the lyrics. Come down and play. Turn it for another day. Let the Fraggle play. Down to Fraggle Rock. Yeah.

Is it the same music and everything? It's the same music and everything. Oh, I fucking love this. Yeah. Lots of the same music and everything lots of the same puppets it sounds like the same voice actors but it's not probably not possible but oh man

what a show I love that the dozers were my favorite thing just quietly getting on with things just building shit yeah bless them yeah fragger rock fucking hell that was one of the ones that my school had like a rude song about do you mean oh yeah it's like yeah what did you turn a fraggle rock into something grab a fraggle by his cock yeah just like that i don't know swing him in the air you know it's

usually like the whole thing oh man that's so glad you still find this funny I know all the rest of it it was really rude smash him on a rock or something I guess no anyway it would have been pubic hair it's fine so one more article

I've noticed this week that I wrote down we got in Iceland okay 12 years ago there was a financial crisis yeah

obviously it hit Iceland pretty hard as well it was a financial crisis yeah obviously it hit iceland pretty hard as well it was global thing but that caused um mcdonald's to shut down in iceland for good wow and it's not been back uh and on the day it shut down there was a man hiato smarason yes who uh bought a big Mac and fries and forgot about it and found it relatively recently and it's still in great nick because they don't really

go off. Apparently it wasn't kept moist. I don't know. It was put in a dry cupboard or something anyway. I don't think he saved it on purpose but he decided, he discovered it and he was like, oh, I should donate this to, of course, the Icelandic museum. You know, it's a historical artifact. What, a burger and some fries?

A burger and some fries and mummified Big Mac and fries, which honestly look fine. They were given to the National Museum of Iceland. Get MRE Steve on there. Oh, these fries are, these are so bad. Getting a lot of odor from the burger, but no bloom.

No bloom. Let's get this, let's get this out onto a tray. Nice. No bloom. Not nice. Not nice.

So, of course, that's what the National Museum of Iceland said. They, they were like, do you know what? Because this is the thing,

right, with the museums too they have these huge vast collections and sometimes they buy stuff and art museums particularly they spend a lot of money on art um and then they they sort of keep it in the back rooms rather than sell it uh often they'll kind of have it on the books and and because it's no there's no real advantage to them selling it because whenever they buy things for their collections, it's all tax-free. And in fact, not even tax-free, they don't even have to put it as a spend. It could just be ignored, especially when they're gifted something for their collection.

If they then sell it, they have to declare it on the books. And so there's no real incentive for them to sell. Anyway, it's a whole complicated thing. Malcolm Gladwell did a really good thing about it. You could find it if you want. But the National Museum of Iceland obviously didn't want this burger. So they gave it to the Bus Hotel Reykjavik, which I assume is a fine hotel.

It's not like a travel inn or something. They put it on that night's menu. They didn't want it. No, they didn't on that night's menu they didn't want it no they didn't put it on that i did they didn't want it and so they passed it on to the snotra house hostel uh where it is now proudly displayed under one of those cookie things they have in starbucks you know the glass like um things oh yeah it doesn't even seem like it's airtight is what i'm saying uh it's just on display. Nice. And a famous piece of history for Iceland. They must be so proud. It's not treasured, is it?

No. It's passed around. It's not even second rate. It's a third rate treasure. It's not even in a museum. Imagine in a couple of thousand years, though, it comes full circle and the next indiana jones movie is about that that burger and fries like that's like the the lost ark or whatever oh my

god nick cage is breaking into this snotland hotel i'm looking for a burger so michael lewis wrote a book called panic which was a bunch of stories about the 2008 crash and the one about the chapter about iceland is really really interesting because they were convinced that this is going to make put iceland on the map and they already had a lot of stuff that they would do in regards to um ownership of uh fish catching right sorry to stumble across that sentence but i was trying to put it in what i thought was the right way a touchy subject for us here in Jersey as well. You had the right to a certain amount of fish catch.

Reopen some moves there. Yeah, the French will be over again. But you could sell a part of your catch, if you like, and you could also sort of finance based on your portion of the catch or whatever. So it led to this kind of thing. And they were like, oh oh we should get into banking oh so what they were they were going to be trading here and like gaming the system on that and be like oh i'll buy these rights from these guys and sell them on for more yeah the whole they also did this whole thing like all the banking stuff they did like the icelandic economy went crazy and all of these young people coming out of college and get straight into banking in

iceland and making all this money the icelandic I think, was one of the first to fall and lost the UK, lost shitloads of money somehow because we'd been stupid enough to invest in it, something like that. Landis Bank. Don't correct me for you, just go read it for yourself. But the interesting thing is, is all these, you could still get your insurance on your car. So apparently an awful lot of very brand new and very desirable BMWs with mystery catching fire all over Iceland as these people burnt their cars to try and get the insurance money back oh my god yeah it's it's a really really interesting example of how the mania that can grip a whole country but especially

a small country where it really takes over every facet of daily life and and everything that kind of depends on this new industry that you think this is amazing this is going to be this way forever um causes this terrible terrible collapse but the book's really interesting anyway i recommend it panic exclamation panic yeah nice yeah that whole story is super interesting you know even there's a bunch of documentaries about it that show like these how it how it's in very short time you know a country that is it's got like 300 000 people became this kind of major global center of finance and it was like it was like what and then they're just yeah they would just turn up they would have like rows and

rows of these black bmws in the parking yeah you know outside these buildings and it was just a strange very strange just a madness bubble and it was all built on debt and borrowing and just like a house of cards you know it had no actual there's a video that's gone up um in the last few days called the line goes up which is all about nfts and stuff like that and uh the guy that does it talks a bit about uh the 2008 crash and i think for any of you who are maybe children when it happened and kind of understand that there was a crash, but don't really understand what happened and just thought that's just the way it is. Go ahead and watch the video and watch about the crash and that kind of bubble and read about all those other bubbles

that there have been and how much money people lost, and how convinced they were at the time that they were 100% right that this is going to be brilliant and make everybody money, and we're all going to get rich. Anytime I hear those words, I am out. Because the dot-com bubble, the 2008 bubble, this is going to be another bubble. Please don't fall for this shit again. Go and read about bubbles and how they happen,

and it is the same fucking story every time these supposedly austere institutions telling you oh no this is a good thing to do you they're wrong if it doesn't make sense on the surface you have to read all this fucking shit watch all these videos explaining it to you it's probably not a particularly good idea and i'm i'm firmly on that fence i'm with kanye on this one i am with kanye yeah this is one of the rare times we're gonna end the podcast by saying that we're all firmly with kanye that we are with kanye yeah when it comes to kanye on this one yeah this has been an interesting mix of of chat about about scams and as usual weird meanderings nostalgic uh nonsense we didn't really talk about any poop or dicks or anything this time which is good for us so actually so

look after look after yourselves look after your loved ones and just just just be good to each other yeah uh thank you party and we'll see you next time. Goodbye. Goodbye.