Triforce! - Triforce! #229: The Proto-Bros and the Chad 1000s

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

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There are older, but we're up there for sure. We are up there's those granddad streamers you see uh yeah yeah yeah and they're sort of it's nice to see them still going i don't know how much chat is just being nice to them and how much chat is just fucking with them yeah that's my consent don't mess with old people that'll be me in like a year so you know right it's kind of it's it's harder some old people yeah you can mess with old people. That'll be me in like a year. So, you know. Right. It's harder. Some old people, yeah, you can mess with. But I think generally it's harder to mess with old people. They're kind of bulletproof, right?

I don't think they give as many fucks. They really don't. But it's certainly, I think it's easier to confuse and confuddle them. True. They're definitely on the edge. With things that everybody else seems to take for granted. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like they've got less. them true they're definitely on the edge everybody else seems to take for granted yeah yeah i feel like they've got less they've got yes they've got years of experience that should make them wiser

but they also have many less years to have to suffer the consequences of their actions god yeah i suppose that's so look at it fuck it let's just let's just shoot anyone who comes onto my land god it kind of does just get to that point, though. I think the older you get, you're a little bit more protective of your compound, wherever that may be. You're scared. Yeah. It's fear. You get a lot more frightened of teens.

And you don't understand. Yeah. Your brain is calcified. I think teenagers really became scary to older people. Your brain is calcified. I think teenagers really became scary to older people. I'm not sure specifically why. Presumably there have always been teenagers.

I think it's culture. It's TV that's given them the idea. I mean, we've all seen it, like teenagers. But in my experience, they tend to prey on people their own age or at least what they think is their own age, right? When I got mugged, it was like someone who was about my age in in london and like this was obviously when i was a teenager but you got properly mugged well not really mugged off or just like uh fully someone you know someone wanted my phone you know back in the this is back in the day that swim phones did they have a weapon uh he said he did but he wasn't going to show it in the day. This is when phones were... Did they have a weapon? He said he did, but he wasn't going to show it

in the middle of a busy train station. So you're in the middle of a busy train station. He might not have even had a weapon. You gave him the phone. I didn't give him the phone. No, I ran away. Oh, yeah, that's a wise move. What's he going to do?

Were you screaming? Like high-pitched screaming? Help! Yes. Help! Yes, there was. Nice. It was a whole thing.

I mean, I've told the story before. Did it make it in the paper? Was it in the paper? I don't think it was that kind of... I think it was an everyday occurrence. Breaking news. Screeching man alarms travelers. Tore the cuff of his turtleneck mid-screech whilst running through Paddington Station.

I felt like the kid who was mugging me was about as out of depth as I was in the whole situation. It was almost like his first day on the job as a mugger. He has a turtleneck as well. He just looks exactly like you. Like a slightly younger version. Mugs you. Oh, man. Have you ever had that?

Have you ever been beaten up or anything? Have you ever had a fight? I've been in a couple of fights, but I may have started them both. Yeah. Oh, P-fl yeah flags they weren't that long ago either yeah not serious ones i was a bit mouthy in high school one time and the high school bully well beat me and my friends it was it was funny though because it was like there were more of us than him but because he was uh so notorious uh we let him beat us all up so that he wouldn't do it again.

But like, he didn't really beat us up that badly. He just kind of chased us all around. And then we just, that was it. I think a lot of the time the school bullies, I remember that the bully in our year at school was a very lonely guy. He didn't really have any friends. In fact, he didn't have any friends. And I know that his brother, his big brother, was extremely mean to him, would set traps for him around the house,

would wait for him to come home from school, and then just launch himself at him and beat him up. And I know that he'd come from boarding school, where he said it was, you know, you literally had to fight every day, or you'd just be bottom of the barrel. Like prison, essentially, a pretty rough boarding school. I mean, you think of boarding schools as all like uh those sort of uh chamber music and yeah yeah tarquin candelabras and stuff but it's essentially uh an all boys boarding school i'm sure it's it's

extremely rough for the girls as well but i i only know people who've been to a boys one it's just fighting all the time uh and that testosterone and boys all stuck in together for fucking weeks and weeks at a time no break from each other it's a pretty violent place but yeah so he we went my dungeons and dragons club uh which we had uh most lunch times because we fucking hated going outside um we would be in that in the school playing dungeons and dragons and he would always come in he wasn't meant to be in the school but he would just come in and tip tip you know throw our dice on the floor and tip our character sheets onto the floor and chat with us and stuff and then and then but i could tell that he would always watch for a while and my impression was that he desperately wanted to play uh but knowing that we would never invite him to play because we were all terrified

of him um he sort of acted out in that way to sort of get our attention and i i mean he just used to stomp around on his own looking for people to to bully but i don't think this just feels like you've watched stranger things and did that happen in stranger things kind of yeah i think it's a very common thing they start off kind of like dicks and then they end up being slow because there's this guy who's like in the first season he's like a super creepy guy like taking pictures of girls you know voyeuristically and then he sort of he gets you know they slowly shape him into a sort of nice main character well that sadly didn't happen in this instance no yeah i guess that the the it has to be influenced from

somewhere right people who write these shows if they've had experiences with bullies or whatever. I mean, like the bully that Burien described sounds like a lot like the one at our school. Didn't really have any friends or the friends that he did have were just people that, you know, he previously bullied that just sort of like fell into line with them. Had an older brother who was also a big bully.

So they were like, they had like a like they had like a dynasty of bullying in the local neighborhood but funnily enough like you just if you didn't really have anything to do with them uh like he wouldn't just like just start bullying you like for no reason i guess or at least i feel like that's the the case like you know maybe that's not the case for everybody but But like in our case, like we were mouthing off a little bit and we shouldn't have been. But the whole thing was just like so comical anyway. But then after that, he didn't really bully us again.

It was just like he got it out of his system and that was it. We never really, we never bumped into him again. We never really had any altercations with him or anything. Yeah, this is weird. It's weirdly familiar because of the D&D aspects. That's a big thing in the straight. I just wonder if you are like one of the kids from Stranger Things in the 80s. No, I'm far less interested.

Maybe that's why you lost all your hair because you went through this whole thing. That's like a hindsight reconstruction of a kid in the 80s, right? Yeah, you're like a grown-up version of one of the kids who suffered this stress. a hindsight reconstruction of a kid in the 80s, right? Yeah, you're like a grown-up version of one of the kids who's like suffered this stressful event. A little bit like the It, you know, It. Or the Clown. Where they all grow up, don't they, for the sort of second chapter. So the first one is when they're kids,

and the second one is when they're all adults, you see. And some of them have even sort of blanked out this traumatic thing that happened, and they don't even quite how do you blank that out it happened like a like a full-on murdering clown demon clown yeah i just i choose not to think about it much they also cut uh there was a scene in the book because there's a girl who's part of their little group oh yeah at the end of the uh the first part when they're all still kids they all have a big gangbang with her and then yeah get on back that's in the book yeah yeah that's probably a probably a good idea not to have that but

though it's stranger things as well there's there is a bully character as well called um steve who is like an unlikable jock kind of guy yeah and then he becomes um like a a good good guy as well like it's strange how obviously you know i guess at the beginning of stranger things there's no kind of actual villain so the villains are just themselves you know you know they find that there's this more i guess sort of threatening you know danger to them all that they then have to fight against like in the shadow realm or whatever i've only watched the first two seasons of it so yeah yeah i mean everyone's again with with stranger things i feel like either you've seen it or it's like through osmosis you know it did does it does barbara die in the first one i can't remember don't spoil it i haven't

seen any i saw the first series but yeah i think Barb dies in episode two or three or something like that. Yeah, she gets sucked into the pool or whatever, into the shadow realm, right? But did they find her dead body in the shadow realm as well? I can't remember. I don't remember. Again, now it's all blending with Twin Peaks. My youngest watched the whole thing. She became obsessed with Stranger Things.

She watched it and she loved it. She said it was the best show ever well yeah it is i mean it's probably like the only show she's ever seen as well to be fair that's that's not true oh right she loves tv she watches tv all the fucking time she really loves tv but she watches like the office and parks a wreck oh okay okay it's like anytime my son plays something he's like this is the best thing i've ever played like yeah well you haven't fucking played anything of course it's gonna be the you know it's like the first food you eat this is the best food i've ever eaten yeah i know it's like the first as well it's i always find it funny like he's just like he proclaims that this is the greatest thing it's like god wait till you play some other stuff you know he's he's saying like

like fall guys like fall guys is the best game ever made okay buddy it's it's all right it's not that great like there's there's better games out there geez you know just wait till he plays tarkov holy crap it's gonna blow his mind oh my god or magic the gathering or magic the gathering online arena holy crap into that it's really hard but it was damn you know what else i played over the last few days fucking war thunder yeah i um i saw you playing that and i thought to myself i know how this goes i also played war thunder for a bit it's uh it hooks you in a bit it's and it is pretty fun interesting to see how long you play it for like yeah it's uh it it does get uh repetitively tedious yeah Yeah, no, I can see that. So the idea with War Thunder, for anyone that hasn't played it, I'm sure you all have.

It's like tanks, planes and ships. Yeah. And the battles are, takes like a minute to queue into a battle. It lasts about six, seven minutes. End of game, rinse, repeat. Yeah. And depending on how you do, you get points to unlock new tanks or ships or planes. And you can juice them up a little bit and train your crew and stuff like that.

So there's a little bit of progress. But if you progress too much, you get better tanks. You just get bumped up into a harder cap. And now you're playing against lads who are also in bigger tanks. So there's really not the sort of benefit to getting a bigger tank. People are like, oh, I really want to get into the so-and-so. And I'm like, but then you'll be up against other also good tanks yeah so it's kind of pointless um but it's just a time sink it was just it was just a bit of fun really yeah no it's it is it is good for that

for sure like if you're in between games and you just want something that um you can jump into quickly like it's there's you don't sit in queues forever there's there's lots of buttons to press on the menu but like the the gameplay itself is like quite fun right yeah and there's no communication with your teammates like you don't have to worry about people being toxic you just roll around in a tank yeah yeah it's like it's like the battlefield games it's like such a huge there's so much going on like if you really wanted to make an impact you could with like a small squad but you don't have to you can just roll around die quickly get right back in it's like it's not a problem yeah and then uh if you do

well you can in the tank battles they'll offer you like would you like to get in a plane for a bit and you get like a minute or whatever flying around in a bomber it's quite fun it's just uh and they can be very cinematic right though i mean it doesn't even it's not a shame idly an mmo right the idea is that it's keeps you shame-idly an MMO, right? The idea is that it keeps you in, it hooks you in, and you don't play anything else. Right, it tries to, yeah, for sure. And successfully so.

I mean, there's definitely some big-time armchair admirals out there playing it full-time. It's that kind of game too. It's just the progression and the unlocks and all that crap, right? It hooks people in and uh hooks their wallets in as well there's so many new cool games that i played during tiny teams and i just felt like so that was what we did last week it was um it was just this great opportunity to to test out hundreds of new things and it's to some extent it burned me out a little bit in that my attention span became super like low like i couldn't like you know it's almost like i've

you know when you i did this thing where i played a new board game every day and after a while i was like man i've played all of them and it felt like i had played all of them because it was very few and far between when it was a mechanic that i was like oh okay so this is like that bit from azul but this bit from viticulture or whatever you know i was almost like at this point where every game was just this other game yeah right with differences and so like i found it pretty when i was going through all the 900 submissions for tiny teams and trying to suggest what's put into the thing alex actually played every single one which is mad whereas i went through and just played the ones that i thought looked interesting but i still ended up playing hundreds of games and it was really cool to try that new stuff but now i'm just like

i'm finding myself getting bored after an hour in any game it's really weird because you i think maybe you've just spent so long having to play a bunch of games that you you've just forgotten how to enjoy games like if you having to look for a specific it's almost like being a reviewer like i've yet to meet someone who's a reviewer for either films or games or books or whatever who isn't deeply cynical and kind of burned out on enjoying that thing there's the bloody doorbell hold on that's such a grand doorbell like you can i heard that perfectly it's a dong dong mansion yeah you can hear it echoing through the halls of the study you know it's like a cheap plastic box though right absolutely yeah stuck on the wall those

ones always sound really good though right i know somehow yeah it's very british to have a a doorbell like that though yeah they talk talk, but do they walk the walk? Like, they're not. Did you play, I saw you played Cult of the Lamb and Farthest Frontier. Yes. Which are both expensive indies that came out this week. Yeah, yeah, both good as well. Farthest Frontier is nice, and Cult of the Lamb is really good.

It's great. Okay, I'll pick them up. It's got lots of nice little mechanics and stuff and it's beautiful god they just the the sound uh the the animations the graphics and cult of the lambs really nice like that i love the art style and everything too it's good just feels like a nice game to play but it looks very you know binding of eyes yes yeah very much so yeah but uh there's a lot of like there's like there's a whole mechanic around building up your little compound and uh the followers like worshiping you and unlocking stuff through the power that they give you uh the twitch integration with it is really

good too you can uh you can hold raffles to have followers named after people in chat so they can they can opt into it and then you can like do stuff with them uh to gain more power like uh murder them imprison them if they start to get like uh a bit unruly you can uh sacrifice them in a ritual like it's it's really good they can die of old age as well you bury them and then they resurrect after a couple of days it's it's it's a bit bonkers it's funny though does it feel anything like don't start of um or is it more like arena rebathley it's it's it's a bit bonkers it's funny though does it feel anything like don't start of um or is it more like arena re-battley it's it's there's there's definitely a focus on like the battley stuff there's like a little mini game called uh is it knuckles or knuckle dusters like

a dice game that you can play against various little npcs that you find which is which is quite fun it's like a like a dice like um i don't know it's it's super easy when you when you play it it's fun though and then uh there's like a little fishing mini game in it there's there's all sorts of shit like it it it's it's good it's really fun it's it's it's a nice one and like nice little progressions and stuff as well you upgrade your buildings like there's like quality of life stuff for your compound like you can eventually unlock outhouses and janitors because they're all all your little cultists just shit on the ground and get unhappy and sick and stuff like it's cool yeah it's really fun i've enjoyed it yeah and farthest frontier is just really chill it's like banished and

anno mixed together it's like it's got like uh the building of anno you know like on that grid um so you you're trying to like get that's what i was hoping yeah you're trying to get little districts and neighborhoods built up and buffing like each other based on like desirability and shit like that but then you also have to manage the logistics of your industry getting to the places that it needs to and then it's got all the survival stuff of banished farthest frontier crop rotations seasons like all that shit so yeah it's good it's fun and it's it looks nice sort of city banished and a city builder based from the grim dawn you know grim's all the diablo oh i saw yeah yeah that's nice it's really nice it's good weird weird to

change over such a different genre no they've done they've done good though it seems seems good i think um i think if they keep um keep adding stuff to it and everything as well it'll be it'll be real nice it's good i mean also i saw you playing a lot of play up that launched this week man i've been playing our game i've been playing a lot of played up it's fantastic though like i mean when we played it uh genuinely i had such a good time but i've i've enjoyed playing it since with all sorts of different people they i've been playing more recently with uh with hafu and her husband uh who are both like bona fide pro gamers and uh that's an experience but i mean it's a five-star experience i mean

we're we we were winning like left right and center it was crazy we had all these systems set up they take it very seriously it's been really fun she's got a Wikipedia page well she's a big deal she's a big she's a big gamer she was like

wow arena played Diablo like competitively Heartstone everything and Hearthstone, everything. And Hearthstone. More recently, I think Teamfight Tactics is the one. Yeah, shifted out of the old Hearthstone. Yeah, which I think a lot of people have. It's a different scene now, for sure.

But the game, arguably, is not as big as it once was either. It's still churning out expansions and everything. Well, I think this is why people are looking at Magic again, which is why P-Flex and this is sort of a bit of a groundswell. Well, let me say something. I got back into it because when I was on holiday, that's all I could play. Right.

You were desperate. Yeah. I haven't had a few people get into it. I mean mean the thing is for me it's too expensive really like like just it's like hearthstone times two or three it feels like just so costly to buy all the packs and they're so quick as well i i know this sounds stupid but it feels like since the last i played there's been like six or seven expansions like yeah i mean it's taken me a while to get into it

and reading and stuff like that. But I think the most fun thing about it is creating... Like, I stream it and we'll build a deck with chat. So we'll come up with a theme and we'll sort of build a deck and see how it does.

So everybody's kind of invested in it. It's just fun. And there's so many... Like, it's not a game I get frustrated at losing. Like, I don't know why why the only game that I really get angry about is dota I've spoken about this before but I don't really get frustrated when I lose in pretty much any other game Occasionally in Tarkov I'll get a little annoyed with myself mainly or with like the nature of Tarkov if I get shot from across the map

I'm like fuck it out. Yeah Tarkov is kind of rage inducing at times for sure especially i feel the same way in fact i feel i feel almost the opposite is you're actually really right about this when i lose in certain games i get really salty but i put so this week um and invited me to a tournament for one of these um miniatures games that we play which is the song of ice and fire game of thrones miniatures game right and because partly because the new house of the dragon uh is the new hbo show it's the new i mean game of thrones is the biggest show on tv right the house house the dragon's supposed to be you know a very different story that's due very shortly i think are you excited about it by the idea of more Game of Thrones given what happened last time

I am actually because I'm dreading it same with this fucking Lord of the Rings thing and all the rest of it Lord of the Rings thing. Yeah, it's like a new Shit, no, I'm hyped. I'm really hyped now. Actually. I just want I'm just no anyway I went to this thing and so Ben was like, yeah, there's only three of us So it would be good if there was a fourth so say, okay thing and so ben was like yeah there's only three of us so it would be good if there was a fourth so i was like okay nice nice invite yeah that's that's nice well we scoured the earth looking for somebody who could meet our high standards uh we came up empty unfortunately and well you just happen to be here uh yours was the last number we do need a fourth um so reluctantly

we'd like to invite you so we drove out this village um called iron acton which is in about 10 miles out of bristol i didn't know where we were going i just thought it was around the corner so it's about a 25 minute drive or half an hour actually when we were like because we got the bridges were all closed for some reason anyway got there boiling hot night it's at like the local village hall okay and i feel like i've been to a village hall for fucking ages and um they were like that like the guy was waiting for us he'd set up two tables but there was like down the other end of the village hall there was some other folks doing other other board games right and other games but they were only about sort of five or six of them and they were playing some old like um like ball action i think or some some some some world war

two stuff and occasionally one of them would come around and you say oh what you what you're playing then and we'd be like oh it's the game of thrones winches games i'd never heard of it um never no one had ever heard of game of thrones and they were but they they'd never heard of game of thrones heard of game of thrones and never heard of wait i know i mean not having heard of the board game fair enough yeah yeah i thought sorry that's what i thought you meant that they never heard of the the actual universe um these guys they were like oh these this looks cool tell me about it and so we we were gonna play two games one against each other but we kept getting interrupted by local old men yeah so much that we

couldn't fucking make any progress what year is this is ancients is it is made evil no no it's game of thrones sorry you're gonna have to run that by me again game of game of thrones never heard of it mate never heard of it game of thrones but they got knights in armour and dragons so it's a fantasy setting is it yeah very much so yeah yeah yeah is it magic and wizards no there's not really

there's no magic and wizards so it's not it's like low fantasy then is it what rule set are you using well he couldn't really get into his head

that it was low fantasy at one point I gave him the rule book to hope he would like go away how could it be low fantasy if there's dragons in it? This doesn't make any sense.

This does make no sense. I've never heard of a Game of Thrones. Where's the throne? That's the kind of thing we were dealing with. But no, it was fun. I only managed to get one game. But it was weird being in a little village hall and playing this game again. You know why they

haven't heard of game of thrones lewis not just because they're old because i'm pretty sure even my mum has heard of game of thrones these guys and i from remember when i used to do war gaming a lot they are only into one thing actually two things real ale and war gaming and that's it really don't care about anything else it's not that they're being dismissive they live in a bubble where all they care about really is their miniatures which means an interest in history quite often and you know that's it and i don't think they use any modern technology or watch much television or anything they just live in a bubble and that's their thing a lot of them have another very boring hobby like woodworking or something like that which isn't exactly thrilling and that's it they've got

a very peaceful existence i think it's very very british that's sort of uh picking a hobby and that's it that's my thing i know lots of people like that they have one interest yeah it's like those guys that build those uh those those those radios at home, right? Ham radios. Ham radios, yeah. The ones we were talking about the other week, yeah. I have noticed that these things are all adjacent to the train set in the loft. It's very close to that.

A step away from that is Napoleonic kind of era miniatures wargaming you know and then close to another one you know that's a step away from bolt action which is a step away from warhammer everyone's you know slightly along that curve somewhere and you think we'd all be friends but no we don't really have all four of those groups are very distinct um and stay apart from each other it's's kind of weird. Yeah, and there's definitely an age aspect to it. I always wonder what we'll be doing when we're old. But, you know, I just feel like what happens being around long enough that, you know... You wonder what we're going to do when we're old.

I'm old now. I'm doing the stuff. I'm doing all the things. I don't think you can call yourself old if you have a baby. think you know you're gonna have to wait until your kids are old enough that you can say well mine are all grown up now that's when you're old yeah i suppose i can't imagine that i'm gonna be doing much different to what i'm doing now though like no i people ask me all the time what are you gonna do after streaming i'm like please don't ever end like i don't think it has to though this comes up a lot but like i mean feasibly even if only like 20 people were

watching your stream you could still stream it doesn't matter like probably still do yeah yeah might as well share it with everyone can you explain to me what real ale is pflex do you actually even know yeah so when you talk about like real ale what you're talking about is not like beer from a big brewery or something like that it's generally going to be called something like the weasel's mittens you know and it's very sort of strong tasting ale it's from a pub that does ales doesn't have football on the telly uh real ale drinkers would be the kind of men that you would see wearing um trousers with that are patched up. They have bushy beards. They enjoy folk music or 1970s classic prog rock and stuff like that.

Yes. They're into history. They're into local architecture and nature. They might go hiking from time to time. They may use a bicycle. Their car is very old looking and beaten up. They're kind of stuck in their ways, a little bit opinionated about sort of things. And they're mostly, I would suggest, not conservative, but certainly old fashioned in some of their views, perhaps. But a lot of them are also kind of hippie-ish. They're sort of, i'd say a gentle left-leaning uh they make dad jokes uh they they eschew the modern world the zeitgeist is a mystery

to them um and real ales tend to be much more musty there's a strong flavor when you drink a really strong real ale that you've drunk this out of a used ashtray um but that's part of the flavor and is that the yeast i don't know this is obviously this is stereotyping if you are a young man or young woman and you are into real ale and this does not describe you congratulations i'm sure you're as much a novelty in those communities as uh as as i would be um because you know when they sure you're as much a novelty in those communities as uh as as i would be um because you know when they ask you what what do you do i play video games for a living doesn't compute it just you know it's not the sort of thing that goes into their heads so you know this is the stereotypical but i'd say that the real real ales always like uh the like

like craft brews and stuff especially especially like in Britain, have kind of funny names too, or can have funny names, right? Absolutely. There's a famous Twickenham one called the Naked Ladies, which is very popular. They're all things like that. Are they all microbreweries as well? I would say so, yeah. I mean, for example, if you were to drink Fuller's, that's not going to count.

That's like drinking budweiser and claiming oh i'm into i know my beers you know what i mean yeah like it has to be the fox's nipple it has to be something like that brewed by one guy in a shed yeah the more and also this is not the same by the way this is not the same people out there wondering and perhaps even lewis brindley himself this is not the same as all those hipstery craft ales and shit like that this is different yeah they've horned in on this racket this is like you're like bathtub brews and stuff yeah and these are guys that for whom the camera guide is is like the bible you know camera meaning the the campaign for real ale they'll sort of give a camera rating yeah um so yeah like you go look up the website so you know 57 uh unique uh ales are on

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in the gardens of York House, Twickenham. It's unbelievable. If you ever come to Twickenham, I'll take you to see it because it's down, it's near York House. So which is like the council building, if you like. You can use it for weddings and stuff. We used it when we renewed our vows recently. From like the Twickenham Riverside is very nice, very gentle area.

It runs from Church Street in Twickenham all the way down to Kew and beyond. And it's basically walkable, very green when you're out there, especially when you get towards ham the ham side of of the uh of richmond you would not know you were that close to a big city all you can see is trees and fields there's a fucking field with cows in it and it's right there in in in london um imagine it was signed like that as well you know like those brown signs like heritage or like points of interest. Fucking field of cows in it. Field of cows.

And there's all really good pubs along there. Loads of people go walking. There's lots of people pottering around on boats and things. There's a ferry, which is literally a boat that you could fit maybe eight people in comfortably. Just runs over and up and down the river all day. That's a marble hill. So York uh has this very large garden very beautiful it's quite simple a lot of the area is not over fancified

you know you go to some places it's all really elaborate topiary like this is much more played down it's like a big english country garden more like um so yeah so at the bottom end of that there's a very cool that because of these marble statues i don't know maybe because this because the statues come are like italian marble right but this is it feels like someone's created this month it's a monstrosity in all honesty it really is it's enormous it's completely out of keeping with everything else in the area so you come into this garden it's like green hedgerows of course they're green high hedgerows all around it and dividing it up into quadrants little fountain

it's all very peaceful there's benches and squirrels and pigeons and then at one end there's this huge fucking wall of italian marble this fountain thing um and it's it's like winged pegasi and naked women with spears everything it's so over the top and it feels bizarrely out of place when we first saw it we were like my god like we were taken aback because it really is shockingly out of place um and overstated it it's it's like somewhere it's like you go into someone's house and their living room is like the most over the top thing you could imagine it's like that sort of takes your breath away then you're like wow yes this is impressive but i'm impressed at how hideous it is and you know how much effort must have gone into making this thing

but it is quite funny yes so i went into there's um a bar in the bottom of park street in bristol called java and upstairs they have a lounge that you can rent out for events and i went in and i was like what the fuck is this and i found out it was um when the one the mauritania which was this cruise like titanic style cruise liner was was torn apart in bristol um they took all of the furnishings from like the first class bar and stuff and all the wooden bits all the chandeliers right all the everything and put it in this like build a built a room in the upstairs this place in bristol and it just feels like so like a film set do you mean it doesn't feel so out of place so i think that's the thing if you're gonna have like when you if you go to italy and you walk around a lot of the places there where

there's a lot of galleries and statues and things like that everything's like that so these huge statues just become part of that but if you have a completely out of place vast statue it doesn't matter how good it is it's like you don't expect to see it there and it seems kind of weird it's almost offensive that it's put there is it like what the fuck is this thing doing here uh too much it's too much in the in that uh milieu milieu yeah yeah it's yeah it's almost like you have it's like dnd though it's like you're it's like you're in a set which is kind of but you have to kind of like just suspend your disbelief you know you're not you're not comfortable you don't feel like you're in the right you feel like you're in some fake thing rather than something that really is grand like i think if you stood at the bottom of the pyramids you'd be like yeah wow this is genuine and cool right i'm actually you're in the desert amongst pyramids but if you saw a

pyramid in the middle of bristol you'd think what the fuck is this thing doing here it feels bizarre well that would be pretty awesome full-size pyramid well one of the biggest pyramids um abode was talking to me about was the flipping one in Texas, the sporting goods tech pyramid. Oh, it doesn't count. It doesn't count. The biggest pyramid in the world is in Texas for a sporting goods store.

Like, you can't build one in the modern age with modern materials and be like, we got the biggest pyramid right over here. Well, sorry, no. Sorry, not Texas. It's Memphis, isn't it? Memphis, Tennessee. Memphis, Tennessee. Well, sorry, no. It's Memphis, isn't it? Memphis, Tennessee. Memphis, Tennessee.

Well, we got the biggest goddamn pyramid you've ever seen. Right here. That's right. It's the 10th tallest pyramid in the world, actually. 10th? Well, that ain't good enough for me. I'm going to build a pyramid.

I'm going to buy all them pyramids. It was a 20,000 seat arena, Well, that ain't good enough for me. I don't build a pyramid. I don't build a pyramid. I don't build a pyramid. It was a 20,000 seat arena, but it got bought by the Bass Pro Shop megastore. Of course. Of course it did. And it's now Bass Pro Shop Pyramid. It's just so bizarre.

It's so, so bizarre. It is. It's almost like the biggest tourist attraction in Memphis, Tennessee. I do think it's interesting. When you look at America, I would say, and I think most people would agree, it doesn't even really need to be said,

but I'll say it anyway, its biggest draw is its natural beauty. Yeah. I mean, as a nation, the geography of it is so unbelievable and so beautiful. And you've got obviously things like the Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls and all this kind of stuff. And whilst it has all been over touristified a lot of it you've still got the national parks and things which are unbelievable yeah um but people don't always want to have to

schlep their way out to these things they'd like to see something interesting and touristy but then they're reduced to you know they don't have like lords or big ben Big Ben or any of the famous buildings of the world. They have a giant fucking bass fishing pyramid that, well, we're going to go see the pyramid. We're going to see something because you're on holiday. You can't just sit around by the pool. You got to go see something. So they've replaced sort of history tourism with world's biggest hot dog building tourism. Yeah, the world's biggest ball of twine

right that kind of stuff even though that is not something that anybody should really have an interest in seeing the gigantic teapot right it's like in the absence of anything actually good worth seeing but this stuff is very photogenic though too right that's the other funny thing about it all like it's actually almost leaned into our modern world right like because i assume that this sort of tourism started happening when, you know, when people were taking pictures of stuff and sending postcards. But it's just become more and more exaggerated. Well, look at like a lot of the attractions in Vegas on the Strip as well are all like, you know, recreations. Like they've got like an Eiffel Tower. They've got pyramids.

They've got, you eiffel tower they've got pyramids they've got you know what i mean like all these like all these like um big famous places yeah that have make like a cameo appearance in in vegas of all places you know like it's it's pretty funny yeah i love that like you take a picture and you're like where am i you know i'm but then but then it's funny to think as well that a lot of americans don't have passports and will never leave their country and that's like the closest they'll ever get to seeing some of these i don't need to i know a bunch of them i mean but but again the thing is with that is where are they gonna go you're gonna travel 3 000 miles if you're on the coast to get

to europe that's if you're on the east coast if you're on the west coast imagine taking a 6 000 mile trip for your holiday it's when you just go to the go to the car you're on the East Coast. If you're on the West Coast, imagine taking a 6,000 mile trip for your holiday. It's weird. When you could just go to the Caribbean or the Bahamas or whatever. Or then what's your option? Canada, which is like, you know, you're not going to see anything particularly different there. No.

Or Mexico. And I think if you're American, I don't even necessarily think you need a passport to enter Canada by land. No, you don't. No, no, no, you don't. So it's pretty easy. It's a weird mentality in North America. My parents have this, and a lot of my friends have it as well, where if I were to say, hey, come to Europe,

like come visit us or whatever. It's like, oh no, no way. There's no way. It takes too long. There's too many flights and stuff. Well, they're not used to that sort of travel. Yeah, yeah. But okay. But if I landed, if i went to say toronto in right in canada which if my parents wanted to come and visit us if we were visiting toronto where they live now to come visit us they would have to drive in their car for like six hours to get six hours plus no problem they would be like yep to that kind of we'll see you there. It's no problem whatsoever. They'll hop into their car and they will drive 12, 15, 25 hours

if it means that they're in their car driving. If there was a big bridge over the Atlantic Ocean, they'd be in Europe all the damn time with their car. It's very safe and it's what they know. I honestly rarely have respect for people who go on holiday to places like Petra or like even like the taj mahal and things i mean these are obviously very standard wonders tourist wonders the world even like the pyramids right like i feel like from what i've experienced even just

going to the eiffel tower and seeing what a tourist trap is with the scammers oh yeah other reason all the poor people everywhere it's horrible right i i know it's i know what it would be like so i just i just find it so stressful to think about going and dealing with all the crap around those, dealing with that, you know, going to a country that doesn't have infrastructure, that doesn't necessarily have many tourists. Like I was talking to TJ, who's climbed to Mount Everest base camp, and he actually climbed the Lhotse Peak, which is the one next to Everest or whatever. He's a studio guy.

Why would you do that? I don't even know. like first of all i don't even know how you do that and second of all i don't know how you get the gumption to do it in the first place but i mean why would you go to that area and not climb everest why would you climb its little brother well he did everest already it's just he was just flexing with the with the climb of the little brother i see but you hear all the horror stories about everest and the trash oh it's awful i think it was like busy and stuff like i don't know like it's just it's uh you just hear about like like how awful is but no i mean i just don't want to go to the the pyramids or no or any of these landmarks really because i just feel like they're i could just i could just go on google street view look at it from the road

outside and be like yeah that's probably what it looks like i i could i could imagine having to not deal with the blazing heat and the like like trying to get around and being sold a carpet i just don't need it i don't need it i mean you know what i think a lot of people are worried about going on holiday because i I mean, I know that a friend of my mum's has never been abroad and doesn't have a passport. And her reason is she wouldn't know what to take. Like she would not. She's completely unprepared.

Right. And I think it's a very, especially a very English attitude, I think. We imagine that everybody in England, because we're so close to Europe, we're perfectly happy to travel. But people generally go to one to a couple of places. Yeah. Mostly Spain, mostly places where all the other British people are going, or Portugal, the same.

Yeah. That's a very typical holiday. We just have a seaside holiday somewhere where it's guaranteed to be sunny. That's pretty much it. And we expect English pubs over there and English food and everybody should speak English because we're an island. And America is, whilst not an island, i think has the mentality of being an island because there's nothing else really near it apart from canada and mexico and once you've been to those

like well i'll just fucking stay here so i think we often laugh at the american attitude to travel but i bet most brits are the same they don't really travel apart from i think i think even in the even i was really a bit of agatha christie recently because i downloaded all the audiobooks and i was listening to them um while i was like i don't know just listen to it and so you've been listening to a lot of agatha christie well i read i read death on the nile i listened to it on the audio right and i was like interested because and i looked into agatha christie a bit and she was obviously you know she was writing these books between sort of the pre pre pre second world war post second world war period and before the for the second world war egypt was this very

popular place to go for sort of rich english people as a holiday and there were all these very nice luxury sort of colonial era hotels in egypt it was a hot place it was quite luxurious it was seen as like this this this destination for the time um and she spent quite a lot of time there and she got big into archaeology as a result and ended up marrying this archaeologist and going around doing archaeology which is a very because she did um another book about agatha christie one of them was on the on a on a archaeological dig site and she obviously did Murder on the Roman Express, which is a classic one. But these were all things she'd done.

So she was basing her books grounded in... The books are full of details of these types of things at the time, which feel authentic. But I know it's obviously a fiction, but it's very much a comfortable village hall. Agatha Christie's famous for her Englishness and the cozy tease around the doilies and book clubs and everything like this. Gossiping people, going to the church, just the English country life. But it's also English holiday life in a sense for the more wealthy classes back in the day.

And it's just really fascinating to see how honestly little has changed, you know, especially with like, I was reading one of the books that was written in like 1930 or whatever. And it was like this village with all gossipy old women watching people and doing stuff and coming back and forth. And it was just like fucking today. It's like nothing has changed in a hundred years it feels like you know growing up in a village it just just showed me so much and going to this village hall it's just like ever nothing's nothing's changed you know there's still old men playing chess or playing a different game in the village hall yeah you know on a tuesday night it's funny to think like when we're older old men in the village hall playing a game they'll be playing like valorant or something you know yeah they'll have vr headsets yeah yeah yeah i can't believe he

fucking headshot me i got head eyes again unbelievable i always think this is a strange thing though like it seems like at a certain age you get interested in gardening or you get interested in yeah i don't know like do you mean like like different like history yeah you know maybe it's because you have more history i'm much more interested in history now than i i ever was like as a kid or whatever i i enjoyed it enough learning about it at school or whatever but not much but now like i will i'll seek it out like if i see something or like i hear about somebody i'll you know i'll look up like some history or you know watch a documentary or whatever like i'm a lot more interested in historical wikipedia for hours

i'm kind of like it's like it's ruined me a bit because i actually prefer watching factual stuff now than i prefer watching fictional stuff you know like i used to really like here's a thing did you watch the woodstock 99 documentary i meant to watch it actually yeah it's i've seen it uh on netflix it looks looks good i'll so i've watched i've watched part one i've watched part one i haven't finished it it is really really if you watch the Fyre Festival documentary, which is one of my favourite documentaries I've ever seen.

Oh, I haven't watched that either, actually. Oh, dude, it's so good. That's such a good one. I mean, that's... The thing is, Fyre Festival is so different to Woodstock in a sense. Woodstock is interesting because it happened in 1939.

I was obviously 16. I was someone who was maybe a couple years too young, but around about the age that loved those bands, Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park, Rage Against the Machine. He had the Frosted Tips, the Khakis. To me, it was the worst festival lineup I've ever seen. I honestly would have been horrified, especially Korn, for Christ's sake.

Everybody being into Korn. What the fuck? Korn were huge in the 90s. When I was 16, they Korn, for Christ's sake. Everybody being into Korn. What the fuck? Korn were huge in the 90s. When I was 16, they were the biggest band in the world. They were huge. And I realized, yes, I agree with you. It was like a new metal.

It all seemed to spawn off the back of wrestling being very popular at the time as well, right? But that's the issue, is the people at it, the people at that festival that are all into those bands, turns out, massive cunts yeah well this is it i i really feel like i was that ragey teenager at that age right like i was i was

a kid who'd watched fight club and i'd watched american pie right watched i'd i'd i'd it you almost had this they talk about it a bit in the documentary, but this generation was, was really familiar to me because I was that kind of awkward teenager who wanted to go and smash things up. Right. And I think like, it didn't take much at that age to make me feel like it was funny or cool or the right thing to do to just vandalize stuff and smash stuff up.

In a really strange way. Why are we like in my opinion our generation is was the first really angry generation yeah like we like it seems like we're just furious when we were younger like really really different if you look at the original woodstock that was us when we would have been up like that was our parents when they were rh right that would have been their big festival but it was not anything like woodstock 99 and the the organizers in the show put it down to the lineup the music lineup that they've chosen but if you look at the difference in one generation from the 1969 hippies and other festival goers to the woo yeah woo bros Chad and his bros

turning up at the Woodstock 99 the backwards caps no no top they're the proto bros though I don't think

these are the bros we have now I think these are the these are the proto bros those bros those bros that you described still exist by the way

they're timeless they're timeless bros but now they're Chad 1000 I'm saying back then they were chad 101 they've morphed they've morphed the chads have morphed and as as you said from the woodstock era but again i think the the first woodstock was like a rebellion against vietnam and these other wars that were going on and and and against violence right it was this great pacifist peace peace and love movement of right you know look let's make love not war you know

the whole thing and and the music was different too but i guess like by the time the mid 90s was going on and the late 90s it was a different generation and and and this is the people at woodstock were young you know very young like 16 to 18 to 20 you know people are like oh they're messing around but they're just stupid kids right they're they're not like actively terrorist cells do you mean oh, they're messing around. But they're just stupid kids, right? They're not like actively terrorist cells, do you know what I mean? Or like they're not, you know, some sort of insurrectionists. Right. Some sort of deep seated people who have a belief.

They have no, they're just kids who think it's funny to smash stuff up. And think it's cool to smash stuff up. Yeah. Because that's what I was. And I feel like if I was in america at this time i could very easily have me and my mates at school could have very easily been in those in that world in that at that concert you know setting fires and stuff um jesus and not caring you know yeah i guess i haven't really thought about what i was like at that age but i i think i would have been a complete dickhead.

But I wouldn't have been one of the worst. If you were, say, 16 to 19 around that time, yeah, you would be a dickhead for sure. I smoked a bit of weed, and I just chilled out, and I just basically was sad I didn't have a girlfriend. That was pretty much my teenage years. And I didn't have any fucking money. Like, no money. Whereas I look at these kids years and i didn't have any fucking money like no money

whereas i look at these kids and i don't know they they just look bad they just looked like awful people a lot of them they didn't a lot of them didn't even look like they were just kids who were misunderstood and kind of having a hard time they looked like they had come there to fuck shit up and ruin the whole thing and they were like actual bros and they were coming out of the fucking wood with just frat boys you do have those frat boy bros culture still happening in a major way even now or very common i i hope it's less than it was but it definitely is like ingrained in in american culture in a different way to here though you you have i mean when i was at uni there were no frat houses and no

no it's not a very uk thing no no like culture around that you know but but i i'm i'm sure i'm positive it's still a major part of college life in america but these aren't these aren't underprivileged kids if you're going to college yeah these are these are kids with some disposable income or means to do things. So it wasn't like a piece of love just turned up, you know, in the original Woodstock or whatever. I don't know how much it cost, but it might have even been free. Who knows?

But it certainly wasn't like this was just some... A big corporate event. Yeah, this was pretty sold out in terms of, like, trying to make money off fucking everything. And I think that kind of changes the vibe as well but but i said to mrs f wouldn't this happen at any festival with that lineup she said we have festivals all the time and it never gets like this mrs i mean i think mrs f just thinks americans are insane and she she may be right they're a bit they're a bit well i think so and

but also i think like there were a lot of other factors in the documentary they talk about like you know they didn't put enough security in and the security they did put in were just shitting themselves just just just the hot just the bullies you know they got the school bullies as the security and then they got like they got the fucking some some guys to like price gouge the hell out of any of the food there was no clean water there were no toilets like it was just hell it was just a trash dump of shit garbage but the sad thing is i think i i did feel bad for pretty much everybody involved really and in the first episode i'm thinking god what a shame you know i mean there were some cynical decisions made by the guys running it they do their argument

was we have to make money yeah from this and the problem was the way they went about it was kind of kind of shady yeah um but when you look at fire fest i wanted everything about it to fail i wanted everyone going to fail and have a horrible time because they were all awful people they were all like influencers all right and they're all just dickheads and the sort of guys organizing it were dickheads like everyone involved it was like those frat bros the most cathartic thing yeah like the frat bros organized we're gonna have our own fucking festival we're gonna get all these big acts we're gonna buy a fucking island

it's gonna be so hyped dude this is who's gonna be there you're not gonna believe it everybody gets a martini when they land and then everybody gets a margarita when they take a foot off the boat blah blah blah

all this kind of stuff it was all like didn't it like go ahead though wasn't it just like oh no it went ahead oh it did sadly it went ahead

yeah anyway watch the documentary I was glad it failed yeah you should definitely watch Fire Festival I was waiting for it to for it but this one i was if it's different five woodstock is definitely like i feel like from watching the documentary like no one died right yeah woodstock no and there were quarter of a million people there and they would fires and smashing and riots and crazy crushes you know and like loads of people moshing i mean obviously there's plenty of injuries and a lot of uh sexual assaults and stuff happened you know

which is fucking it was that was the worst thing i think about the documentary just the amount of like kind of gross creepy stuff that the the fat boys were doing um and it's uh it was just but it felt like it felt like it was just such a i don't know just like really just people weren't being careful i think and and but there were no security as well and yeah people were very drunk and a lot of drugs like there just wasn't enough like actual protections put in place to stop people going absolutely fucking crazy man oh man. But yeah. Yeah, I gotta watch that. I'm interested in all of that stuff for sure,

so I will watch it. The Fyre Festival. I think Fyre Festival, you're rooting for it to fail, whereas Woodstock is really sad. Yeah, yeah. That's the kind of thing. But even so,

it's something I didn't know about at all. Same. I mean, I don't remember it at all i remember i remember hearing about it like at the time sort of thing but i know like not not much like i think at the time it was reported to be kind of nuts as well but um i never really looked into it or anything you know like it didn't it didn't resonate that much you know i love these deep dives into these events though as well i think sometimes obviously even the documentaries don't cover everything and it's probably a couple of books i'm sure yeah yeah it's definitely great to just i just don't know about all this these cool bits of history and you're constantly seeing

them there's so much history as well right it's weird though like the music in the 90s was was was different right especially like like at the at the start in the 90s was different, right? Especially like at the start of the 90s, but then even going through all throughout the 90s, I feel like music was just so kind of dark and aggressive in the 90s, wasn't it? It did feel like it was. More so than it is now. Yeah. I mean, now it's all, I feel like these kind of things would just be dance music. No, and like the elements of this exist, but like it's all,

the scenes are a lot more fragmented than they would be in the 90s yeah exactly yeah that's what it is right like we we could all listen to whatever we want and everything goes like there are still some things that dominate but they're not even though they don't dominate like you know the wet ass pussy and stuff like this like only only lasts for much less time and is is much more you know segmented um sure you still have like super superstars like lady gaga or whatever but but they don't feel like they're as you know i guess back in the day in the 90s we got all of our music on a couple of radio stations at mtv or whatever you know that was they were such taste setters whereas now it's sure it's it's just there's just a bit i think

there's been a like a bigger broadening of identity now as well because i feel like you can be the punk guy who kind of likes 80s synth and and and but likes to dress it like in a certain way or whatever like there's like a it's a lot more broad than it was like i feel like in the 90s you got into a group that listened to a certain thing and you you just really embraced that and that was it you know like you wouldn't you wouldn't do anything else i mean also you i think especially back then you also had you dressed a certain way and had a haircut a certain way based on what you listened to yeah like certainly i wore a lot of flannel shirts and baggy jeans because I listened to a lot of grunge and wore my hair long over my face

and looked as miserable as possible because that was the kind of music I listened to. Oh, my God, you're like the guy from Stranger Things, the creepy photo guy. All right, yes, all right. I am like the creepy guy from Stranger Things. All right, fine. You've got it.

He came good. It's like the third time you've worked that in. I don't even know who this character is. Let me look him up. Creepy guy, stranger things. Well, Will Byers, his big brother, whatever his name is. Murray Bowman? I don't know.

Who is Jamie Campbell Bower? Murray Bowman. Oh, no, not him. Not Murray Bowman. It's me, Murray Bowman. Jerry. I haven't seen you in so long hi murray so for the first time the the uh prompt you know the proms which is a very old school british thing where they do classical

music they did a gaming they did game music proms this week um get me out it's like it's like a two hour concert they've got like music from you know battlefield 2042 shadow of the colossus kingdom hearts final fantasy some people love that that game music um you know some of it is real epic good music as well so yeah that's that's available for next month if you want to listen to the old um music game music no no hey i'm going to a um i'm going to a local uh parade today called the battle of flowers have you ever heard of this have i ever told you about it it it hasn't been uh it hasn't been on for two years because of uh covid and restrictions and stuff but uh it's back in full force this year local groups of people put together uh these big parade floats and decorate them with flower petals.

Mostly. And they theme them. And then they parade them up and down the avenue for two hours. And they're judged at the end. And there's a winner. And everybody gets to watch this happen. And it's good fun. There's like a Miss America pageant.

There's like the queen of the Battle of Flowers who appears on a float and is selected throughout the year and stuff. It's like all these old... There's like a Miss Battle and a Mr. Battle. Miss Battle, that's it. Yeah, Mr. Battle. There's no Mr. Battle. Mr. Battle is normally some celebrity that's it. Yeah, Mr. Battle. There's no Mr. Battle. Mr. Battle is normally some celebrity

that's flown in from the UK. Like, you know, but it would be like Will Young or like, you know, one of the guys from EastEnders or whatever, you know, like the current EastEnders

heartthrob or something like that, you know. Gareth Gates. Yeah, and they just kind of stand up there, you know, like Henry Cavill, but I don't think they'd be able to get Henry Cavill now because he's too prime time, right?

He's too big. I don't know. He's fairly available. He might be. Cyber Clark, sorry, but the Warhammer world in Nottingham. Oh, well, there you go. Recently.

So it would be something like that. But my son was like insistent that he wanted like a like a hawaiian shirt with matching shorts like to wear to the okay and also insistent that i got a matching shirt like to his so i have to wear a hawaiian shirt as well uh it's gonna be like 30 degrees today we have a one-year-old like i don't know how any of this is gonna work but uh it's uh because we gotta we're just gonna be sitting in like the blazing hot sun for two hours like during like the sun's prime time watching floats and a parade and with flowers yeah yeah sounds great yeah it'll be sounds wholesome i think it'll be all right yeah yeah enjoy that yeah yeah that's very villagey

country that's very like local town that's it yeah it all feeds back into your it does your ideal local town maybe there'll be some people playing like warhammer board games somewhere as well in the town hall and sipping on fox's knob or whatever the the local ale is the local craft yeah oh man that sounds exactly like what it is uh all right well there you go that's that's triforce that was a good one thank you for joining us everyone it's good to be back yeah it's good to have us all back together i've missed i know there's some there's some more summer vacations coming up soon but uh not not as bad as like the what was it like three weeks or four weeks almost with

all the with all the all the trips and stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah we'll be back around if you in in future weeks cover we'll chuck some more mail bags at you oh baby people love the mail people they love these ones i've got like hundreds of emails oh good good save them good save all right like hundreds of emails to get through. Oh, good, good. Save them. Good stuff. Yeah, they're safe.

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