Triforce! - Triforce! #243: 100 Years, Nothing's Changed

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

Triforce! Episode 243! Flax discovers the passionate Thomas the Tank Engine fandom, Sips needs some new films to watch with his kids and Lewis can entertain an audience even if everything is going wrong... apparently. Go to http://joinhoney.com/triforce to get PayPal Honey for free. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pickaxe. of you. Manage expenses with the new TD low rate visa card. With an 8.99% promotional interest rate for the first six months, the new TD low rate visa card can help find some balance. Learn more at td.com slash low rate card. Conditions apply. Limited time offer. Hello everyone and welcome back to the Triforce podcast. It's 2023. Oh my god. We've made it this far. Who could have thought? Who could have thunk it?

Happy New Year. Happy New Year. By the time this one goes out, it'll be a little bit past New Year. Everyone will be like, oh yeah, boring. Everyone will be used to typing 2023 into things already he's already done the the 2022 death count my favorite part of a new year everybody looks back and you get that big Sergeant Pepper style montage of all the famous people that passed away in 2022 more prominent ones right at the front wearing you know bright blue and bright bright red Beatles style sort of thing.

So, this year it was the Queen. Oh, yeah. Her match, of course. Yeah. And she was wearing her Beatles ensemble as well. So, there you go. You know, we almost lost Jeremy Renner this year, of course, was in a terrible snowplow accident. Yes.

As I understand it, he was snowplowing, got out to talk to somebody and the snow plow started to roll away or roll over. Yeah. And he got in it to try to stop it and then got run over by his snow plow. Yeah. You should never get in to try to stop an out of control vehicle, no matter how fast or slow it's going. Right. What if it was headed towards five people on a train track and you either get in it and divert it and potentially injure yourself or let it roll into five people i think the outcome is always going to be you're

going to injure yourself so i would say the best thing to do is to do like a cross my heart and hope to die you know like a really quick one you know like people do like on a plane or something when it's turbulent and then just hope for the best hopefully that's just enough you know i think you'd go to prison though if if they could prove that you'd left your snowplow i don't think they'd send you if they saw you do a cross my heart hope to die quick like if they check the cctv footage and they saw that you were objection i was doing a holy sign your honor well he did cross his heart and hope to die so he did all he could he did everything that's what it's called what's the cold thing when you do the silence it's not cool it's called jenny flight thing isn't it i think something yeah i think mine's

better actually i think mine's much better like do you think that he um because he's a superhero uh he dived into the you see some see some people react instantly, almost subconsciously. They see something happen, they run in, and they can't stop themselves. Other people look at the situation like, I'm going to run away from this situation, and they run away. Do you reckon the deterministic nature

of our world, he was... Because he played a superhero, if instead he played, I don't know, some different character, like a cowardly character, would he have run away instead? It's hard to say. I think Jeremy Renner is, he's done some brave things in his life. Starting an app, the Jeremy Renner app. That was a brave decision.

He just called it that? It was an app purely for sharing pictures and things of Jeremy Renner. Oh, right. for sharing pictures and things of Jeremy Renner. Oh, right. As if there wasn't already, say, Instagram or Facebook or Twitter. This was the Renner app or something like that. Now, we were talking about this when I was streaming the other day,

and Jeremy Renner has been in some big movies. He's been in Oscar-winning movies. I still think if you showed a picture of him to most people, they would not necessarily know who he was. They'd be like, oh, he was a hawkeye he was the boat guy in the avengers movies or you know they that's the only thing i know him from yeah that's it i think if you're popular through superhero movies that's that's uh i can understand that because myself i don't watch many of them so if somebody is famous just through playing a superhero the likelihood is i will not know who they are right you know them from the superhero but yeah i mean i always get which chris is mixed up because there's

like chris chris pine chris pratt there's a few other chris is knocking about uh so i know it's a chris that plays captain america but i wouldn't swear to which one no it's not chris pratt because chris no it's not chris pratt he's the guy from Parks and Recreation. But he's also Star-Lord in the same series of movies in the Marvel Universe so I know Chris Pratt from other things. Sorry I was just trying to help you out. No no that's fine.

But he's just like Jeremy Renner is not famous enough to have an Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth. See there's Evans and Hemsworth and Pine right so I think it's Chris Evans but then when I hear Chris Evans I think of

Big Breakfast and TGI Friday and Big Breakfast or TFI Friday I should say and stuff like that don't forget your toothbrush

don't forget your toothbrush those things so Chris Evans is unfortunately he was on Big Breakfast and TFI Friday man that guy had

every weekday locked down pretty much Big Breakfast was his big break if you like and then he left that and they brought in Johnny Vaughn and Denise Van Outen do you remember and then had every weekday locked down pretty much big breakfast was his big break if you like yeah uh and then he left that and they brought in johnny vaughn and denise van outen do you remember and

then he did tfi friday which was huge and then he did don't forget your toothbrush i think that was the order and then he sort of i think he he was on top gear isn't he on top gear but he was uh his peak was in the 90s and early he did He did talk gear for like a season after Clarkson and his goons left. Yes. Left is a good way of putting it. Well, whatever. They got- Well, Clarkson himself got fired.

And then more recently, he got in some more hot water, didn't he? For some- He wrote like an article about Meghan Markle, I think. He did. That they should shoot her or something. What a year it's been already. We're only five days in. So rich.

Did you have a good break? Did you have a good Christmas and New Year? Can I just make a request? I'd like to make a request. I don't want to talk about Christmas for the whole podcast. No, we don't have to. There's not much to say about it, really. I just want to hear any interesting anecdotes family

things let me tell you something interesting okay in like hyper speed we chucked out our christmas tree today and that's that fuck yeah another one another one down baby and now we now this is like uh it's it's like a full year before i have to be hassled by Christmas again. So I'm happy. What a cheerful sentiment. Well, you're the one who didn't want to talk about Christmas. I don't want to talk about it. No, all right, fine. I'm not flaming.

I said that one a cheerful sentiment. I'm not flaming. I just don't like the occasion at all, honestly. You don't like anything about Christmas? No, because it's just so much work. Like when you have really small kids, it's just too much work. Like you have really small kids it's just too much work like i have three small kids who all still believe in santa claus and stuff yeah and it's too much work oh believe me that's the that's when it's actually at least got some element of fun no because i feel like when they're older i can just excuse myself from a lot

of it you know i'll just be like i gotta go build a train or something you know what i mean like you can't do that with small kids because they need you to put batteries in things you got to throw out all the garbage that they make from opening stuff whatever you know like there's there's too many little jobs to do around it yeah it's a million little annoyances you have to be there all the time yeah yeah i i i can i can appreciate it i went on a holiday over new year yeah where'd you go a scottish uh holiday house right well it's weird because who'd you go there with your parents i went with with the spiffing brit mango and i went with arty game right his partner nice and i went with a couple of their friends as

well so it was like seven of us and it was it was it was i was just i think i was just so tired yeah after jingle jam and after christ, I just like slept a lot. I, we, we slobbered around, we played a load of board games, different board games. We, I read like two books. It was just very chill. That sounds great. I mean, I would like Christmas if that happened to me every year, honestly. It doesn't.

I mean, now, now it is very chill. Like I literally sat on the sofa for whatever it was. My mum was up as well, which is a whole different kind of stress, but but she takes she does a lot of the menial shit that i can't be bothered to do yeah she enjoys doing it which is here i tell her not to and we had an argument about it but she wanted to do it so i was like fine so she she does all this is just deja vu of every time it's like she does a dishwasher and all this stuff and it's like you know it is what we like doing the dishwasher we went crazy this year because we actually went away for a week and got back the day before christmas eve yeah that is mad with three small kids but honestly it was uh it was kind of nice

because while we were away we just we felt like we avoided a lot of like the mayhem of the the season you know we'd already done all of our shopping We'd already wrapped everything ready for when we got back because we knew it would be tough to get back and still have a lot to do. So in some ways, it actually organized us a lot more. And while we were away, we actually just enjoyed being away and resting and stuff like that.

The baby went on a plane for the first time, which is pretty good. She hated it. But on the way back, she slept. So it all worked out. It was pretty good. she hated it but on the way back she slept so it was it all worked out it was pretty good it was nice and we rented a uh we rented a car and the guy's like oh i've got a treat for you i thought you know i just rented a dad mobile because i just need the space you know like i wasn't after anything fancy or whatever and he's like uh guess what you're getting i was like uh i don't know like a scenic or something. He's like, nope, we're giving you a Mercedes SUV.

It's like some fully loaded, top of the line, brand new Mercedes SUV. It was nice. Party bus. It was amazing. The inside was so pimped out as well. It was crazy. Had like champagne. Oh, it had buttons for everything.

Like it was just, it was nuts. And you should have seen the leg space in the back seat as well. The kids were loving it, man. There's just so much space. They could almost completely lay down on the seats and stuff. Great. It was really good. You know, my kids really wanted to get an electric car.

Yeah. Because they're young and they understand that the planet is going to die before they get to use it. And I was like, well, kids, the problem is getting an electric car is really difficult because I've never bought a new car. I don't believe in buying a new car. I think it's a massive waste of money. I'm sure a lot of people agree with that.

Yeah, I know. Secondhand electric cars, you got to wait for a bit, right? There's none. They're so expensive. Yeah. I mean, the ones that you can get, they haven't got a huge amount of mileage on. I'm sure they're fine cars, but they're little and they still cost like eight or nine grand. So I looked up on Auto up on auto trader secondhand electric

cars i had to go within within 50 miles of london which is quite a big chunk of the country like a 50 mile radius circle centered on london that's quite a big area 12 there were 12 electric cars for sale um and they were all very expensive or reasonably priced, but tiny. One of them was that one that you've seen that looks like they got partway through building a normal car and then stopped. The Renault Zoe, I think is the one you're talking about. It's not the Zoe. Zoe is pretty small.

It looks nice, but it's quite small. No, it's not the Zoe. It's called something like the stinky. The Nissan Leaf. Is it a Nissan Leaf? No, no, no. Listen, it doesn't have a body like a car. It looks like a forklift truck kind of thing.

It's like a one or two person affair. Yeah, you're not going to go on a cross-country trek with that bad boy, are you? Where am I going to put the kids and the luggage? The dog. Like, this is impossible. So, I said to the kids, look, I would like to get an electric car. I'm sure they're great. I know Spiff has the Teasler and was telling me about that. and yeah i know other people got to ride it up to scotland it was

it's it's a nice did it drive itself right did you let did you put it in automatic mode you can't i don't i don't think you can like fully i think it gives you a lot of help um but it's but you can't like it doesn't drive itself um it's it's cool i i think the issue for me is the charging right like it it doesn't there were a lot of like there's always an issue you have to find an electric charging port if and uh do you park on the road um like if you park on the road there are sometimes charging i don't park on the road yeah but do you have a do you have a garage um pflex or like no I don't wrote in London a garage is very Yeah, exactly. I mean you're gonna struggle to it's well, no, no, you want to charge your car at home, right?

I can The the the telephone poles around here or they the the light poles what are they called streetlight streetlights? They have a little latch you open up the thing and there's a charging port there like that's quite common in london so they're about four or five people on the road that have electric cars they charge them you see at night there's like a hose going between the car and the charging port like that that's a thing there's one right near our house it wouldn't be a problem the only thing is adopted the only thing is if they're all being used what do you do and also how long does it hold the charge because i i we only drive the car like once a week. It's good for a couple of hundred miles, honestly.

Like it's, I think it's like... I mean, overnight and stuff. Like if I charge it up, is it good for a week? You plug it in and then it's good for up to... How long does the charge hold? Oh, I think it holds. And then it expends over the course of about 200 miles they tell me but you get some top-ups because uh some of them have solar paneling to help top up and uh

also you get uh you get a top-up because uh everything is integrated into like the the brakes so the uh when you're braking it produces a little bit of a boost for the uh the battery as well i'm told well i mean that's very standard that's pretty standard stuff that's a dynamo that is part of normal cars as well i mean that's where that we've had that sort of technology for a long time yeah so i think it gives you like a little bit more juice but like like for long trips you'd have to um you'd have to charge up partway for sure like more so than you would have to fill it up with um with petrol or whatever but yeah then you have the added benefit of parking up at your house and just plugging it in

overnight and uh and you're fully charged you know i think um i i think it'll get better in bigger places but for smaller places it it seems like a really really good proposition like for where i live for example would be perfect i think there's a few places that you can charge for free but spiff said to me that i think it used to be about a tenner to fill fill the tank in first commas but now it's more like 20 yeah so it's still a lot cheaper than petrol yeah for sure you definitely save money on that yeah oh yeah before we uh spend the entire podcast talking about electric cars as fascinating as they are. They're not fascinating. And I brought it up.

You want to talk about birds or hands or something else that's like incredible? Or something else. You ever just looked at your hand, though, and just thought, Jesus, fuck, how does this thing work? Do you smoke a lot of weed at home? No, I agree. I am amazed by the world. I woke up the other day and was very much like, God, what are we? Like these fleshy lumps like bimbling around until we go wrinkly.

I don't go that deep. I look at my hands sometimes and I think, fuck, my fingers are moving. Like, this is crazy. And then I stop there. Like, I'm not getting into it. I don't have time. But if I see a bird, I'm like, holy shit. How the fuck did he get up there?

Like, what's he doing you know no i i want to talk about the thomas the tank engine fandom oh right okay so this is a long route to a very weird part of the internet okay i follow an account on twitter called take that darwin right which is people generally saying if evolution is real and we came from monkeys why are they still monkeys? Which you can type verbatim into Google and it will give you multiple articles explaining why. I'm not going to do that here. Yeah.

Do it on your own time. It's very obvious when you think about it. But the answer is right there. This guy tweeted that. And whenever I see this, I always check the replies. And it's either people saying, yeah, or people saying, you're an idiot. and it's either people saying yeah or people saying you're an idiot and i looked at this guy's profile and he was saying people call me the most toxic member of tte fandom and they call me the scum of tte fandom but they're wrong and that was one of his tweets it must be tte is thomas tank

thomas so i thought tte fandom what the heck is that i noticed he had thomas the tank engine as his portrait on on. And I noted that a lot of the other people he'd interacted with also had Thomas the Tank Engine characters as their avatars. And I dug a little deeper and there was some big drama in the Thomas the Tank Engine community.

Was it because of the Biggie remix? Do you think that did it? It was not the Biggie remix. I think that created it. No, this was just, these are adults. I've got to listen to that Biggie Remix now. Who are really into Thomas the Tank Engine and still make fan movies about Thomas and his friends a lot. And they're all CGI.

They've made these, they're full stories. They try to stay true to the original canon of the original series. There's all kinds of debates about it. They try and add backstories and characters to them. Yeah, but okay, for all that, that's all fine and dandy. But is there a lot of these videos on Pornhub? Exactly where I was going. This has to be a sex thing.

There's no way it's not. Thomas and Percy. Decouple, Percy! Decouple! It hurts! It's hurting me! Stop shunting me, Percy! Stop shunting!

Shunt me harder! Shunt me, shunt me, shunt me! Oh my god! The controller is just jerking off in the control tower. That really stokes my boiler. Go on, my little train, train shunt he's watching on the cctv sliver style oh man um so no there's this guy i look shunting sounds like a really disgusting he put together an hour and a half long review video of that year's the community's best fan

made movies and stuff like that and then he got called out for using other people's content even though that's pretty much how a review works is you have to show snippets of it in order to review it you can't just say try to imagine the following scenes that i mean that you know it's not using other people's content if you're reviewing it if you just put the whole thing out to use like that's fair use yeah of course so he's showing sections and breaking it down and saying what he loved about it and giving them awards the steamy awards as he called them nice um but he was then called out people called it disgraceful and disgusting that he'd made this video because he decided on what he'd enjoyed most that year

and hadn't asked the community to vote he got a lot of stick for that um okay it's a fascinating dive down into the drama of a micro scene and how everyone involved is just insane this is this happens when you i mean people disagree with other people's takes? We've had a couple of bonus videos come out over the last couple of weeks. And a lot of people have been like very angry. With who? About our takes. All of us.

With all of us. I feel like more specifically, probably you though. And if you're angry, I want you just to step back for a second and realize that this is our take on something. It doesn't matter. Yeah, no historian is going to use this as a source. People are going to enjoy things in different ways. I hear historians.

I immediately think of the episode we did on favorite wars. Is that the one? Yes, so that went out yesterday. That's the one that went out, right. The one that went out prior to that, the Minecraft blocks. I got a lot of people talking about that. Right. I got a hate thread about it because apparently I wasn't enthusiastic enough.

I thought it was as respectful as I could be. I didn't join in as much. You're not a big Minecrafter. It's got to be said. You've never really played the game much. All of these podcasts are going to have a slightly different tone based on how tired we are, how exhausted we are, how many people are ringing the doorbell,

what we've got to do in the day what what we've done this week like you know that they're all some of them are just going to be duplicates of last year's podcast whether we've forgotten about where we talk about exactly the same shit that we've forgotten about some of them you're just gonna have to get what you get and i i don't know why people get so angry about other people's like why don't people get more angry about other people's opinions they do oh my god they do have you ever been on twitter before jesus christ that's all it is my opinion is better than yours no fuck you i'm canceling you that's all it is it's the word is it really is a watch thing yeah i i need to quit so maybe that should be my new year's resolution social media new year's resolution i'm gonna stick should be my new year's resolution new year's media new year's resolution

i'm gonna stick to the same new year's resolution i've had for some time now and i'm gonna stick to not exercising or looking after myself because i do that really well and consistently and i'm not one of these people who gets to the end of january and thinks ah shit i failed i'm a winner i a winner. I get to the end, I'm like, fuck, I am on track. Like, this is still going according to plan. Veganuary is a thing. I hit the summer, I'm like, shit, it's still going. I'm still not exercising. Fridge is full of oat milk.

Everyone's offices, everyone's trying to do falafel for a couple of weeks and realize that they can't live without cheese for two weeks or three weeks. Incredible. Yes, good veganuary, give it a go. Veganuary? There's all sorts of shit going on. I'm going to do vaginuary. Yeah, good Viganuary, give it a go. Viganuary? There's all sorts of shit going on. I'm going to do Viginuary. Yeah, I'm not actually.

What's that? Eat a vagina every day. I'm done. I'm done with vaginas. Keep them away from me. I don't want any more. I'm done. Right.

I don't need- Those things make kids. They spawn too many- I think that's three too many i'm done oh man i'm not even looking at one god bless yeah i'm not gazing into one ever again that's for sure i'm done gazing gazing Is that how it starts? Oh, God. Don't look at it. It'll suck you in. Before you know it, there'll be babies. Oh, shit. See, I think the gorgon or Medusa would have been a lot more successful if she'd have a vagina that turned dudes into stone.

Yeah, that would be fine. She'd lure them in. You see the snake hairs? Who's going over there? Nobody. The lady with the snake hair. But if you have snakes on the ends of all of your pubes around your vagina, that's a different story, right? I think a lot of guys would still brave it.

Oh, hell yeah. Any holes a goal, mate. Hey, you know, snakes or no, any holes a goal. Exactly. They're already little. How old could they be? I always thought the any holes a goal implied that essentially they were bisexual. But I'm sure that most of the people that use that terminology are not.

No, I don't think so. It would count as a goal, fucking a dude up the ass, though. That would count because you stipulated that any hole is a goal. Well, yeah, I think it applies across the board. But I think the primary implication is the forbidden one, though. The more forbidden one, right? What's that? Well, it's like as if to say, like um you know any hole is a goal right like if you're talking

about adults that's one thing but then if you extend that to say oh my god exactly oh my god sheep yes i see yeah i did not go there thomas the tank engine i see what you i see where this is going. Yeah. Yeah. So, I had a nice time. I read a couple of books. I read... I actually tell you what I read, which you might not think is okay, but who knows? I read The Thursday Night Murder Club by Richard Osman.

Oh, yeah. Who is the guy from Pointless. Yeah. I actually kind of like Richard Osman. I guess that makes me like a boomer or maybe like a normie or something, but I actually find him kind of funny. Like, I wouldn't like seek him out to watch a show with him in it, but if he's a guest on a show or something, I'm not upset about that. Like, he's all right. He is the darling of old folks, right? The daytime TV crowd, the old ladies, they love him. They love him to bits, bits right and he's taken that and spun it into a successful

novel writing career about a series of very smart old folks in an old folks home who solve mysteries for fun which is kind of a very british sort of thing anyway very angela christie and um it's very very english okay you know people are like well do you want a mini cheddar? You know, they're all very as bad as English as you can get. Man, I bought a tube of those. I bought a tube of them just this morning. I had to go to the shop, get some milk, and they're getting rid of them, and I was like, oh no, you don't. And I bought a tube. Because, man, I love them so much. A tube?

Like a Pringles tube, but of mini cheddars? Yeah, they come in like a big fat tube that you can actually fit your hand into, unlike the Pringles tubes. Your big fat hand can't reach the bottom, but these festive tubes of mini cheddars are gigantic. This is part of the New Year's resolution to sit on your ass and get fat. You can almost get two hands in there to get the cheddars at the bottom.

Jesus Christ. Anyway, it's so authentically English. I don't want this to turn into a book review podcast, but I actually really enjoyed it. It just really put you into the into the into the world and you know of people and their local drama and all of their gossip and their busy bodying around you might like a um a documentary that i watched last year i think it was last year it was a um documentary i think that i think they're all on uh on on the plans

a week ago no no they're all on iplayer and it Could have played it a week ago. No, no, they're all on iPlayer, and it was called, like, I have to look it up, but I think it was called, like, The Mole Man or something. And what they did was they sent an old man, he was, like, he's an old Spanish man. He was, like, in his 80s, and they sent him into a care home undercover to, like, Oh, I saw that! It was so good! To do reporting for them. Oh, I've seen it! a care home undercover to like i saw that it was so good reporting for them um and then but he was he was quite lonely like his his his partner had died and uh i think his kids were had were like were quite a bit older and they just didn't visit him that much and he was quite lonely

and it was kind of twofold it was like we need you to do this secret mission but also while he was in there he made friends and really enjoyed it and enjoyed it. And I think he ended up staying in the end. Or he goes back to visit because he made some friends and stuff. It was really nice. Man, it was so good, though. I love the bit where he's in there and the guy says to him over the radio, Stop looking like, stop trying to look like a spy. Yeah, because he had his notebook and everything.

He was taking it so seriously. It was so funny. Yeah, it's really, really good. It's really good. It's a great document. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it was a good book, honestly.

It felt wholesome. It felt like it felt warming. It had emotional bits. And obviously, these guys in this retirement home are sort of perpetually surrounded by death, you know, sort of perpetually surrounded by death you know or or you know being moved to the inevitable nursing home where they you know where they finally lose their marbles and so you know they they constantly have this this this or this kind of i mean the way that richard osman writes it it means that these old folks almost have this new lease on life because they know there's not much life left and they kind of joke about that all the time and i don't know how real it is in a sense um you know because i've never

been hanging around retirement homes long long term but i'd like to think your time don't worry all these old folks say i don't know like it's i i just liked it i just i thought it was a nice a nice a nice read um and i enjoyed it and i also read on a completely different thing i read andy weir's um hail mary project which is he's obviously the guy who wrote the marsh yeah i've got that i've got that i haven't yeah you recommended it to me i think and it was great i loved it um i really really loved it mccarthy book i haven't read that yet that's right have you read that have you done any no i haven't done any reading yet and i got um i got alan rickman's autobiography very nice i heard that was i heard in that he he said that initially he hated the the characters that all of the actors and they were rubbish at least at some

point you're talking about hp yeah harry potter right he right? Is he the bad guy in Harry Potter, Alan Rickman? He is Severus Snape. I've never seen a Harry Potter or read one, so I don't. They're good movies. They're good movies. Your kids will love them. My kids tried to read the books. They didn't like them.

No, forget the books. The movies are really good. All right, okay. The movies are really good. They're really fun. Mrs. F and the kids love them. I need a setup. Like, my son is at the age now where he wants to watch movies that are just not no they're no good for like my two daughters i need i need to get like a home theater or

something set up in the garage you need some uh some father some time like i want the indiana jones trilogy back to the future trilogy the first jurassic park like there's so many movies i want them to see terminator 2 like oh man My kids watched Aliens last year Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs like jeez I tried getting them to watch Wasn't Pulp Fiction It just went under the radar a little We watched it

No no I mean seriously I was this age when I was watching scary movies and stuff like that It didn't mess me up too bad No no We did watch Aliens I said it's scary but it's a little gory but there's nothing too scary in it they thought it was amazing he's got all the the fall guys skins so he's he's raring to go he he needs he needs to make those connections he needs to it's a good movie i mean alien is disturbingly scary yes like it really is terrifying it's tense it's more of an action movie i mean i thought aliens was scary when i saw it i must have been about 11 or 12 when i first saw it and i was petrified yeah i thought it was scary shit

but it's not like terrifying the way that the entire marvel back catalog is a good shout i mean all of that can be watched by any age yeah and then again like a lot of these are all he really liked he likes ghostbusters ghostbusters 2 and he really liked ghostbusters afterlife the the more the more recent one that came out yeah well i mean he's 11 right like it's no but again it's that's it's it's not bad it's not an adult well it's it's it's again i think back in the 80s you know all these things you mentioned were the mainstream movies but they were also family friendly mostly you could take your kids to these things and there would be like a little bit of someone would say shit once in jurassic park or whatever but you know that was that was you know that was like seen as the worst bit and you know if someone would get eaten by a tyrannosaurus and

it would have a bit of mild peril but even jurassic park and all those movies are all family movies my parents my parents never got really hung up on swearing, like, as being a problem, you know? Like, we were not, like, we weren't, like, swearing like sailors from an early age. But, like, we were allowed to say a couple of things. And it was like, you know. I mean, Star Wars, too. Remember, Star Wars is a U. Yeah.

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What have I been saying the whole freaking time? Use the force. Use the force. Look at this guy. Turn off the fucking targeting computer. What are you doing? Did we cover the targeting computer in the lessons? We didn't.

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Yeah, like, I don't know. I think we got, I think we were subjected to more stuff ahead of our time sort of thing than, well, maybe not actually. That's probably bullshit because of the internet, right? I think if we give that any thought, yeah, the internet not, actually. That's probably bullshit because of the internet, right? I think if we give that any thought, yeah, the internet has kind of stepped in. I just forgot about the internet. Yeah, no, that's understandable.

Yeah, it's pretty forgettable. I've been watching David Letterman's Stupid Human Tricks and Stupid Pet Tricks, which is a segment that he used to do. And they're all on YouTube, it seems. Yeah. And it's interesting to see the way people dressed and acted back in the 80s and 90s. They would travel from all over the country to do this stuff. Nowadays, they would just do a TikTok.

They were always wearing a pair of slacks with like a sweater almost seemingly tucked in. Right. Yeah. That was the 80s. A lot more bright colors. But in general, the idea that if you didn't see this on TV, how else were you going to see it? TV was the gatekeeper, right? So I just thought it was funny because these guys were like, where do you live?

Indiana. And you got over here. Yeah, I had to take a flight over here with the dog. It was kind of a nightmare, but over here now. So, you know, that was it. A lot of people from Long Island. But like Letterman was on it like 11 o'clock at night as well. It was quite late, right?

I don't know if that was it live? I guess it was live. I think it was recorded during the day. Yeah. And then it broadcast that day live.

Yeah. They travel to do this thing and they're on for like a minute or two and then they're gone. But nowadays you wouldn't do that. You would do that

on TikTok or something and you would instead do what someone like Ellen did, where you just find these big TikTokers and then put them on your TV show. And everybody's like, oh, wow, Ellen's so clever and creative. But it's just like advertising. It's all just stolen from the fucking internet. Yeah, yeah.

I saw something the other day. It was a really, really old meme. It was like a three-year-old meme. Right. Oh, you know what it was? You remember the guy? It's that one where the guy's walking down the street with his girlfriend, but he's looking at some other girl or whatever?

No, no, no. You remember that one? That one. I don't know how you're trying to guess the meme. No, it's not. Guess the meme. We could do a new segment. We could do a new...

Guess the meme. Yeah, yeah. Isn't that one with the guy with his girlfriend, and he's looking at the other girl walking by or whatever? That's my go-to every time. Not that one. No. It was the one where there's a couple of guys in a car and one of the guys says to the, hey, Mufasa, you know what day it is?

He goes, huh? It's Friday then. And it's Saturday, Sunday. And he opens the door of the car and does a sort of dance walking next to the car while it's slowly moving. Right. It was huge on youtube you can look it up it's called the kid the guy's name is mufasa he's a gigantic um guy and he does these really cool dance moves but also it's kind of goofy and funny it's it's really good it was

very popular that's now an advert i saw that the other day for like not just eat but one of those fucking that video is like four years old and they've just made it into an advert and i was thinking about this before about how the when mrs f worked for a company that did advertising she didn't work in advertising the creative department sits around watching youtube videos all fucking day well yeah because they have to be inspired by other people's uh creations that's one way to put it that's one way to put it. That's one way to put it, yeah. Nick it would be another way. Yeah, well, I mean, it's some of the best stuff out there is a result

of just, you know, stealing somebody else's idea or whatever, you know? Really? Yeah. Inspiration. I can't remember if it was some insurance company that just lifted the concept from that OK Go music video where they're dancing around three years after they did it. You remember that one? That was stolen lifted the concept from that okay go yeah music video where they're dancing we buy any cars after

they did it you remember that one that was stolen from um go compare right that was around the same time go compare what do you mean no what's what's what's that we buy any car what is the what is the it's a car honking uh because we buy any car it's like part of the song it's that's the price that uh yeah like all of the ones yeah yeah like the you're right it's fine crack on yeah crack on this is actually i've got an issue with this like the idea of idea theft right like? Like if you come up with a, if you imagine you're sitting around with loads of friends, okay, and you're just shooting the shit and, you know,

you come up with loads of ideas, right? And then a week later, someone does one of those ideas, right? How bad is that? Have you done this? I think we are. I think anybody who's done any youtube content has done it by default right like uh you just you copy other people's formats and ideas and stuff all the time so we're all guilty i said when i was talking why did i had a chat with

someone about this because i said look if i come up with some ideas and someone else doesn't i'm fucking delighted i'm not gonna sue them i'm not gonna be angry i'm not gonna be salty i'm gonna be like fantastic they did something which i want yeah that one yeah yeah i i came up with an idea for a thing that i thought would be cool and you've done it and it's now cool you've been successful from it i'm fucking delighted yeah i would never have done it if i had we had talked about something and i had suggested something I wanted to do and then you went and did it, that isn't cool. Well, that's why you sign an NDA or force your friend to sign an NDA

and then you sue their ass when they turn around and pull a fast one on you. Easy. I see. Simple. I'm just saying if subsequently something I had an idea for comes real and I didn't talk to this person about it.

It just happened that... Because it does sometimes happen. You'll think of something and then a movie comes up. I think, I thought of something like that a few years ago. Yeah, and they stole my idea. I didn't make a movie about it.

Well, look at all the Marvel superheroes. I thought about all of them before they came out. And now somebody's rolling in money and it's all me. Yeah, but you didn't talk to Stan Lee. You didn't go for lunch with Stan Lee. Oh, guess that was the that's what i had to do i mean uh no i'm saying if he'd nicked your idea you go to lunch with stan lee you're talking to him about this guy

called the incredible hulk yeah i was gonna make the superhero called the incredible hulk he'd be a big green guy he got his powers from gamma rays it only comes out when he's angry oh okay yeah that's a pretty cool idea. And the next week you see the Hulk. Spider-Man 3 comes out. Spider-Man 4 comes out. Stan, Stan, you won't return my calls. I've been trying to get in touch with you.

I wanted to know what you thought about my idea about the spider guy. Exactly. Spider superhero. That's different, right? Why won't you reply to me, Stan? I'm talking about direct text. Spider-Man 5 comes out. Spider-Man 6 is released.

Oh, fuck. Hmm. Yeah. I guess it's obviously you're right, Spider-Man 6 is released. Oh, fuck. Hmm. Yeah. I guess, like, it's obviously you're right, P-Flex. It's tricky. But I feel like if it is, if it's such a simple idea, there's a good chance that someone else has come up with it as well. And are they mad? I don't know.

Like, this happens a lot, right? That stuff, like, Spider-Man. I mean, sure. Who knew that was going to get big, though, right? Yeah, like, when you think of anything, like, go for Man. And it's about the execution as well. Like, you could have the best idea in the world, execute it like crap, and then it'll be garbage. You know, I think it's about the right people doing the idea, too. Yeah, and timing is important as well, which is the very fluky part of it. Because nobody can really say when the best time for something to come out is.

But there is a timing element to some of this stuff too. Something will have come out and just swept the nation. And it's just because there was nothing else like it at the time. But it was a simple idea. Maybe so simple that people had thought about it before and just thought no it's kind of dumb i'm not going to do it but then somebody's gone and done it done it well enough i don't know get into like the the hype of uh what people are wanting at the time and it's just it's just dumb luck a lot of the time i would say i guess it's about the principle

of the thing but for me like all feeling left out right if i like come up with an idea and then people do it without me maybe like i'd feel left out, right? If I, like, come up with an idea and then people do it without me, maybe, like, I'd feel left out. Or maybe, like, if they made a load of money off of it, I'd feel, like, bad. But if it's just a fun thing that people have done or even, like, I feel like even if someone ripped off some of my idea. This is the whole plot to the movie Coco, by the way. You know, the guy makes all those famous songs, but he doesn't have what it takes to go national with them or whatever. And then all of his songs get stolen by a very charismatic singer who claims that they're his songs, but they're not. Michael Buble.

Yeah, kind of like Michael Buble. And then his nephew has to rescue him from the afterlife and convince him that he should take ownership of these amazing songs that he wrote and call out the guy who stole his material, right? That is Coco. That's the whole thing around Coco. And that applies to a lot of what you just said as well, you know, coming up with an idea, not going through with it, and then somebody else coming along and saying, I'll take that idea. I know what to do with this. I think that these ideas, though, are not ideas. This is someone's creative. Well, ideas can be pretty creative as well.

Like, there's big IPs based around people's creative ideas, so it's kind of the same. Yeah, but I think, again, like, you can't – an idea is so loose and nebulous that it might – if it's not executed right, it's crap. I think that if you come up with, like, an mean some music is like that too like some original songs it doesn't happen often like but rarely you'll have a song that the original version of it is not that great but it'll be picked up and covered by somebody who makes it amazing right

like i think i'll do a song i think it'll be really popular if i did a song on the harmonica yeah you suggest that to someone and then two weeks later they've got like they've spent like i don't know a hundred hours writing this fucking amazing song and you can't be angry that they ripped off your idea you can for the way people are like all the time all the damn time they are that's true there's a lot of big egos why can't people be happy for other people for their own because your ego prevents you from it and there's some people out there with just out of control egos that will not allow them to be happy for another person they just need it all right they they need all the the fame and the glory and the but do you think you're really famous people the way they get to be ultra, ultra famous is by being that way?

Yes. If you're the nice guy, you're not going to be like Taylor Swift or Beyonce or Fred Sheeran or someone like that. I think people probably start off reasonably nice because they have to be because they won't get anywhere otherwise. But the minute they're in a position to truly just be themselves, immediately they turn into that person right like i think i i don't know i i mean i know it's pretty it's a pretty cutthroat industry

most of entertainment right because you know you're only as good as your last movie apparently some some people like uh i was reading uh there's a big reddit thread take it with a pinch of salt because it is reddit but it was people's uh first-hand accounts of whether a celebrity was uh was was a shitty person like yeah you know outside the limelight or not and uh there was a big consensus that shania twain is quite a shitty person outside of the limelight i don't doubt it apparently jennifer lopez is also quite a shitty narcissistic person i uh i know someone who worked with um mariah carey yes in a similar kind of thing and uh she had at the time um a lighting

supervisor who followed her everywhere right with a light meter and uh if the light wasn't acceptable they uh she wouldn't enter the room so well, they were like, sorry, you need to add light here and soften this. From what I've read about Mariah Carey is that a lot of this stuff is not really Mariah Carey. She had a PR agency who were mental and kind of had this image idea of her that they- As a diva. Yes. Her herself, she's not like that. Apparently, she's just like a five-year-old who lives in a bubble and is actually quite pleasant to be around and fun to hang out with if you just get her.

But the people that she's surrounded by are all insane. Okay. So, recently, I met Gwendolyn Christie from Game of Thrones. Whoa, you kept that one quiet. Brienne of Tarth. Oh, for the WoW castle thing. Oh, sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic, Sips. It was all over the internet.

I mean... I was being a bit sarcastic, but then I remembered that he did indeed meet Brienne of Tarth. When she came in first, because we were filming this thing, she was like pretty serious and aloof. And in fact, she was reading off this this book and she sort of turned to us all at one point and was like can you all please just stay still it's putting me off it's like ruining my focus i need to focus on reading this or else it's not gonna work okay kind of like kind of like irritable like irritated like a little bit mean and if that was

the only interaction i'd had with her i would have gone away thinking well we're gonna have a bit of a bitch right um but i i still didn't because later on i actually got to talk to her a bit more and she was super super nice and obviously it was like you can i think that also applies to other people right like if you catch them at a bad time or when they're trying to do some work or they've got a thing on or I'm a dick to a lot of people a lot of the time. Me too. And if that's the only interaction you've had with me, I'm sorry, because hopefully I've been able to make it up to you another time by being nice. He's the worst. That sucks.

What a crappy apology i think i just think that that that that reddit thread a thing who knows yeah who knows that's what i'm saying take it with a pinch of salt it's interesting to think though that you have like maybe a little bit of insight but on on the positive side apparently elton john is uh really really nice anyone who's ever worked with, like firsthand accounts of working with him, apparently he's just chucking money all over the place, helping people out when they need it. He's super into music. Like, he'll listen to people's mixtapes and demos and samples and stuff. But then again, I'm sure Elton's probably been a right diva occasionally when something pissed him off or the piano wasn't there.

But it's nice to there or that you know even if he had been at least he's he's a professional he has he has his moments you've got to be you've got to be mean to some people sometimes when some people do the wrong thing yeah mess up you have to discipline them when it comes to being a big star i don't think it's possible to not be a bit of a dick in order to get things done. Sure. Yeah. Because if you're Elton John and you go out there and the piano's kind of wonky and the sound's not great and they fucked up the lighting, the audience isn't going to think,

oh man, Elton John was great, but all the other stuff was really bad. They're going to say, Elton John's shows suck. He's the face of the show. He's the guy who has to go out there and be perfect. He's the guy who has to go out there and be perfect He's the guy who has to go out there and nail it He's the guy who's got to do this Same for any artist, any actor, any musician But you think somebody like Elton John I don't know if this is the case

But I like to think that somebody like Elton John Who's actually pretty talented Pretty talented Been responsible for a couple of big bangers In his time or whatever Pretty talented I'm just trying to make my point here responsible for a couple of big bangers in his time or whatever pretty talented i like to think i'm just trying to make my point here i'd like to think that he could get on stage

his piano would break down and he would just wing it and it would still be really fucking awesome to watch and entertaining and stuff you know what i mean he's gonna be perfect dude and he wouldn't really mind so much either you know he would just kind of roll with it because he is pretty talented and he can do this maybe but maybe it's maybe sips he's an actual massive dick about this stuff in the background and that's what makes him appear so perfect sure you know that he's always it's like people who who have their riders and stuff i feel like i feel like those things are important because it stops the band getting angry and pissed off and rightly so if things are not for me i like to think and i know

this might not be the case but me personally i like to think that it's a case of uh the less talent you have the more emphasis you place on these dumb things right my microphone needs to be exactly three inches away from my face at all times or i'm not going to perform so you know what i mean like all these little technicalities i think it might be the other way around no i feel like there's some people who are just so talented that it doesn't matter all of these little hiccups or little things don't matter they'll still get out there and they'll just smash out a good show no no problem right i think maybe they'll get to the end of it and they'll just be like oh don't worry barry these things happen it's fine i'm talented as

fuck it doesn't matter like uh yeah like my pants can fall down and the show will still be awesome you know what i mean i like to think that yeah i get that but i think a lot of the time people want to see a show that's really really slick and well put together yeah yeah and the way you get that and like i said the thing is they're the face of the product nobody's gonna know the name of the lighting technician that fucked up yeah the sound guy that fucked up all they're gonna think is wow insert star here really that was that sucked and that's not that they're the only person who the show reflects you know you hear these stories like uh about stuff like this right like uh axl rose is probably a really good example of somebody who's like a bit of a diva around this oh a bit of a diva i'd say there's

there's definitely horror stories of him just like refusing to go on stage because like he didn't have uh 10 cherries before the show or whatever you know like shit like that as as much as i've liked guns and roses and uh if i didn't know anything about axl rose i would just be like oh man guns and roses are like pretty pretty good band at the time or or you know maybe like some of their stuff is like kind of like classic now his his behavior has definitely made me see them like in a worse light you know like i can't i can't like help but think that like no matter how many of their their shows they did were great or whatever, there was always this asshole behind the scenes. You know what I mean?

And, like, I can't shake that. I think most of them are. Yeah. I think pretty much every single big act has to fight for everything. Sure. I think they've got this kind of siege mentality where if something's wrong, why are you trying to sabotage my show? It's all got to be just so. Yeah, I get it.

If you're a big star, genuinely think of the pressure that you are under to perform and be perfect and be amazing and all this all the time. I get it. I think it's human nature. There is also, obviously, there are some people who are just complete cunts and it's an ego thing and they've let it all go to their head. Oh, that's also human nature in a lot of ways too, right? Yeah, because it happens like every time.

So we think these are bad people, but I just think you could put pretty much anyone in that situation and they'd turn into the same person. I think the way this works for me is that sometimes I always target the squeakiest wheel or the worst thing that's happening. So everything could be perfectly fine, but the thing that is the worst will get my focus. So DAF, we're just talking about DAF right here.

No, we're not. I think it's common where you can also get into, if you're not careful, which I think did happen a little bit at this Jingle Jam, you get into a mindset of being so worried about everything that you're kind of over like over over over over fearful of everything right yeah and i think i think also sometimes when we've had a few streams where things have gone wrong or done a few shows where something's gone wrong you know like as much as you say like someone entertaining could just pull through and we can always do that it's no good if we start the stream you know a half an

hour late or or or like the sound doesn't work for the first 10 minutes do you mean like like that's that however good you are is there with john if your microphone's not fucking on for the first 10 minutes you're gonna have trouble but if you're up there doing the audience and the fireworks show is still working who gives a shit right like that's true i think it's i think it's i think there's like maybe some people can can can handle it but i think that i maybe some people maybe ellen would just stand up and bow to the audience and walk around and talk to people for 10 minutes until they told him that it was all working you know i don't know maybe maybe he has maybe he knows maybe he is but that's such a good example though because like some people are like that but and and it's just a little thing but it goes such a long way

you know what i mean like you'll have these stories about like uh elton john or like dave grohl or whatever where people are like oh you know such and such wasn't working and everybody's getting mad or whatever but he was just like drinking water and chatting to people at the front and and it's like it's excused because people can be reasonable as long as like the other person is is also a bit reasonable too but but is does dave grohl have a whipping boy who goes around yelling at people in the background to get it fixed you see i mean to keep it off him does elton john have an arsehole following him around he takes the fact these people always do and you've seen it with uh with even with other like youtubers and stuff because it's not even that these people are sought out in the first

place they they they seek out these people and and think that they're doing what they need to do on their behalf yeah it's like like uh like they're almost like right like well yeah no but you know what i mean it's just his enforcer she just comes in what the fuck is this i'm not having spiff sit on this you can have you can have you sit there she's like that she's a lot of the times you can have the front-facing person is like the nicest person you'll ever meet and then they're whoever manages them or is like responsible for just like taking care of them it's just a total arsehole like you just you can't believe that the two of them would even spend five seconds together but right there you are that's not mango is really lovely well we have to say that of course so she'd fucking destroy it oh man no but it's uh like you know what i mean right like there's there's definitely an element

of that it's like uh i i don't know these people that want to like manage talented people they they they seek them out right like it's not it's not the other way around a talented person isn't looking for some arsehole to manage them it's the the manager that is is so incessantly trying to get in and and and manage the person and to be part of it or whatever he was the successful asshole in a previous job yeah i've got five years experience being an i've got a very very impressive resume of being an asshole shouted a lot of people hey speaking of resumes today is the big day by the way uh everybody's favorite tv show the apprentice is back on oh my god really fuck oh wait did you watch uh did you watch traitors then dude

i did not watch traitors no i i think you guys would like that show i cannot i can't i can't handle winkle i haven't watched it yet so she's not really in it claudia winkleman she's like she's the least offensive television producer we've uh like i don't know how you could hate her i'm not a fan but she's not she's like nails on a chalkboard for me i just can't handle it yeah i just cannot you you do have some odd hatreds i can't i can't explain it i can't explain it i think you just hate women you hate claudia winkleman you hate adele no i don't hate adele i just don't want to watch every other woman we've ever spoken about you were were just flaming mango. I was not.

You guys were flaming mango. I have no ill will towards mango whatsoever. I think mango is pretty great, actually. Pretty great, he says. You got to play it down a little bit. But no, I don't hate women at all. What are you talking about? I love women.

I love all sorts of women. I'm just saying, if you hate Claudia W winkelman you're a misogynist that's all i'm saying come on i see that's not fair i'm not even saying i hate claudia winkelman i just choose not to watch it twitter is saying yeah i don't think you're being there's a whole reddit thread about it already why does it hate women oh come come on. It's not true. It's not true. Of course it's not true. I wouldn't say it if it was true. I mean, catch me when the mics aren't live and the story will be different.

But for now, I love them. I love them. I mean, your three kids are evidence of how much you love women. I love women. God, I love them so much. I'm obsessed with them. I just don't really want to see an Adele show live. There's other acts I would rather see. Don't love them too much.

There's other presenters that I think could do better. You know what I mean? No, I'm not even saying male presenters, but I'm just saying like, why not just get fucking Tess Daly on there or something. You know what I i can i can handle tests i like i like tests a lot actually so anyway putting claudia winkelman to one side if i may no offense claudia uh i know she listens

to the podcast uh avidly um wait are you talking about claudia winkelman on uh on bbc traders on BBC Traders? I love that show. Oh, man. I love Winkle, man. Honestly, you should watch it. I think you would really like the show. I saw it being advertised during the World Cup, but I just sort of figured... Right. If you like The Apprentice, dude,

I'm telling you, this is right up your street. Give it a try. As is well documented, I don't actually like The Apprentice, okay? I hate watching The Apprentice. This is the same deal, but it's also got some bits in that you will be like, as as is well documented i don't actually like the apprentice okay i i hate watch the apprentice this is the same deal but it's also got some bits in that you will be like oh my god marietta first sight is another one that i absolutely hate watch today like you watch it yeah i do watch it yeah

right so it's i honestly given the things you said that you enjoy watching you think i could yeah i cannot see you not enjoying this show. It feels too gamey, though. I saw like a bit of it and there was like people really hardcore conspiring. And I like I just I don't know. Can you get that into it, though? I mean, have you ever played Mafia or Werewolf? Yes. It's that the TV show.

That's it. All right. But with a couple of twists. But it's basically like the one is they can seduce people and they go to them at night and say, you either join us or we're going to murder you tonight. So you add new traitors to the mix. Oh.

So if they've lost a traitor, they can add a new one in and then throw them under the bus if they want and say, I told you, you know, and sort of, so they recruit someone as a traitor and then out them as a traitor. That kind of shit could happen. Right. Right. So there's all kinds of twists and turns.'m just saying give it a try you're talking

about the apprentice the the traitors is also there and it's all up there i think all right okay so give it a go i'll give it a go it's not in it that much she's like bear bear winkle i started watching uh black books i had no i've never watched it before, and we've been watching it, and it is quite funny, actually. It's a classic. It's a classic, I know. People keep telling me this. That's why I've decided to watch it, because you can watch the whole thing on 4 On Demand, right? Yeah, yeah.

It's all on there. It's not much of it. No, there's three seasons. Three seasons, yeah. But they're only like half an hour episodes. Yeah. But that means it's good, tight comedy. Yeah.

It's not final. No, it is very funny, yeah. It's just a study of three characters very quick bernard and tam's in greek character whose name i always forget well of course though you can't talk about black books in the same way you can't talk about black harry harry potter no because the person who wrote it is uh insane well bill bailey there there's a thing about bill bailey just recently where he was saying like he hasn't talked to him in years but he is a great comic writer and people are like upset that he even sort of said that he's a great comic writer like yeah like people are very much like do not this is twitter this is why i think i should quit social media because i feel like it's

only a matter of time before i before i say a nice thing about someone and I'm removed from Twitter. It's crazy. I did unfollow Graham Linehan. I did as well because he's insane. We talked about this about three years ago. I was legacy. Well, I followed him in the first place because I thought- I mean, he's literally insane now.

He is actually fully insane. Yeah. Well, you say he's insane. You know who is genuinely insane is the old LBC presenter Majid Nawaz. Right. He was arrested. Okay. He was arrested back in the day as being part of a terrorist group, if I remember rightly.

And he was nicked and spent time in prison and came out a changed man. And he was like this voice of liberal reason. He's a Muslim guy in Britain on LBC talking about how, you know, we should all get along and all this kind of stuff. The moment the COVID stuff hit,

he's now, all he's talking about is the new world order. They're trying to put vaccines in us to control us. Like he's literally gone from this supposedly reasonable guy to fucking batshit it's gotta be early onset dementia or something in some of these cases

yeah that's what i mean like it's it's got to be some sort of some form of like hysteria or something right to just suddenly become so unreasonable like almost overnight like i don't understand it i don't understand how you can be like uh like like a seemingly laid-back reasonable person and then just turn into an insane person like like the drop of a hat like it doesn't make any sense well i mean i don't know i'm not i'm not sure he was ever a hundred percent all right like you think it was like an act crazy stuff you think he was putting it on he was a bit of think he was a bit of a nut. People change, but they also don't change. You know what I'm saying?

I'd say people don't really change that much. They do a little bit. They change and then they change. You have to really want to change. And most people can't even stick to a diet, let alone changing their entire mentality or evolving their thought process or anything like that. I got in trouble for saying this about two months ago when we were talking about the language of love and how you need to change the way you speak to people.

And I said, I think it's very, very hard for people to change. And who you are is pretty much who you are. And you can work at it. You can. But you're still fighting against who you actually are. It is a lot of work. And people were like, this is bullshit. He's wrong.

People can absolutely change. People want to think that, though. The you think like not only people don't change okay particularly when they're stupider and they're more stubborn or when it is a change that requires them to be um that actually affects their life right like as in like their relationships or their family or their their their region you know but not only people don't change but people don't change from generation to generation oh yeah like i think that you you look at like what things were like a hundred years ago okay we're talking a hundred years ago a long time ago yeah you know 1923 23 you know people was it really that that different i mean and everyone will say to me yes yes yes yes, yes, yes, yes. It was so different. But people went to the movies. People hung out and read books. People hung out with each other.

People played board games. People dressed in clothes and ate at restaurants. And I don't know, 99% of things were pretty similar. Yes, they didn't have certain medications. Yes, healthcare was different. different yes the things were different you know certainly respect for women and these things were different but but the general day-to-day boring shit that you live and you live in your life gossiping about you know people next door you know having awkward relationships with people these things are these these human things that are always part of us and also having fucking pretty radicalized views, like believing in religion. You know, we've been working for 400 years to undermine faith.

And yet it's such a huge part of so many people's everyday lives today. And more people are being born that are religious today. It's amazing. Praise Jesus. That people believe. Every time I meet someone who's a big christian believer i feel so shocked or someone who believes in ghosts like i'm just so shocked is there much i think it's a fine line between those two groups in all honesty

i think i think if you're given to believing in in things uh like ghosts i hope that you like believing in fairies and fanciful crap and doing all this. Good for you. If it gives you some joy in your life or gives you some stability in your life and you get good value out of it, great. But if it's just fucking making you upset and traumatized

and worried that you're going to go to hell or someone's ghost is going to grab you. Someone's ghost is going to grab you like someone's gonna grab you these things don't they're not real that was your whole plan getter just not come on i so i guess what i'm saying is that i've i've sort of i'm fascinated with the idea that yes humans can't change and sometimes it's because they don't want to and sometimes it's because they can't we don't live long enough right like by the time we're like 40 we've only just realized how much

long do i have left i'm 47 this year you're already talking about life being over by the time you're 40 it's over here's me knocking on the door of 50 some people you like let me i'm a beyond their years right and they know like some you speak to some like you know 18 20 year olds who are like yeah i i'm i've got my totally head screwed on i know i understand everything relationships gossip like twitter social media how it's all how it works and you know they're like super clued in. And other people are just like the next generation of football hooligans. It's like, really? We still got them?

Why are you becoming one? We're giving birth to people now and they're growing up to become football hooligans. How? How is this happening? Because their parents still are. And their parents still are. It's like you were saying. It's a generational thing.

This stuff does get handed down and uh if you don't work hard to break the cycle then and because people don't change yeah their children are repeat this become them yeah can become easily easily become them because when you're uh when you're a small child, the impressions that you have from the world are so long lasting, right? Like, they're things that you at the time don't think about. You just accept as the norm. So, when you grow up and become an adult, they become comforting norms for you, right? And that's why people slip into these like odd behaviors or ways of being or whatever. Like it all stems back to how your childhood was. And even if you had like a decent enough childhood, they say, like if you weren't shown love as a child, for example, like you had a safe childhood, you had everything that you wanted, but your parents just like never spoke to you, never said they loved you or whatever. It has like a huge effect on on kids right because at that age it's important to have like that unconditional love it's important to have the safety it's important to have routine and and all these things and if you don't have them um it fucks you up as an adult for sure

can i uh can i can we end this podcast on a poem for a change? Yes, please. A poem? Yes, please. I just wanted to mention, I went to the- I guess that's a no. Frankenstein. I went to a Frankenstein bar in- Of course you did. I think that's what set me off.

That's not another poem. Of course you fucking did. That's not a story about a fucking Frankenstein bar. What else did you do that was fun over the holidays? They had the Frankenstein movie playing. Yeah, right. Of course they did. And it reminded me of like, that it wasn't, it's not all that. was fun over the holidays they had the frankenstein movie playing and it sort of yeah again it reminded me of like that it wasn't it's not all that it's not like alien right it's like a it's not a family movie for sure but it's certainly like a um a wake-up call i don't know it's

you know it's it's it's not what what you think it is necessarily it's not this sort of i don't know it's not this where did this come from't know. It's not this... Where did this come from? It's definitely dated. We were talking about... Fuck it. Fine. You do your fucking poem. You do your fucking poem.

And I'll just think about this on my own. In the past hour of us chatting, I have managed to fish up 245 frosted rye and fin tunas, which I'm going to sell for some big cheddar cheese. So thank you very much. This is a poem called This Be The Verse by Philip Larkin. It's not even your own poem? No.

What the fuck, man? You're just going to steal somebody else's creativity? You're stealing someone else's thing. We're talking about how... Just listen to the poem and you'll understand. You could only use a line of it. No, I'm going to use the whole thing. Otherwise you're copyrighted.

No, it's reading a poem. It's use you could just go listen this this is ignore the frankenstein shit listeners go back to the last thing we talked about prior to the fucking out of nowhere frankenstein derailing which i really wasn't expecting it was like a never mind just listen they fuck you up your mom and dad they They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had and add some extra just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn by fools in old-style hats and coats

who half the time were soppy stern and half at one another's throats. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can and don't have any kids yourself. Philip Roth. Wow.

Yeah, there you go. A classic. You got to break the cycles. That's the thing. That's the key thing. And it's work. And it's hard work to do as well because you're breaking the cycle not only for your kids, but you're trying to break yourself out of the same cycles as well too, right?

And it's non-stop work. And most people do not want to do non-stop work and that's why people don't tend to change very much the end thank you everyone we'll see you next week bye goodbye peace