Triforce! - Triforce! #244: Wrecked Radiators to D&D Rants

Episode Date: January 25, 2023

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available as a mild hybrid inline six turbo or as a plug-in hybrid, crafted to move every part of you. Hello everyone, welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Welcome back, welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. It was pouring with rain, so I got outside. I was going to go into the office to record this, but I decided I should turn straight back around, and I'm in my lounge with a cup of tea instead.

Purian, welcome. Good morning. Have you walked the dog this morning? He's gone. He's gone. I had to change my vape mattress. Crack on. Carry on with your little podcast.

Go on. Why do I have to do this? Why do I have to suffer through this? You're the maestro. You're the MC. You're Lewis Quigley. I don't like this bit. Why? You guys always, like, you get all smug and like, look at this idiot doing a stupid intro.

I think it's because we know it makes you uncomfortable. So it's amusing to us. We you uncomfortable so it's amazing we like to we like to see you squirming so um yeah so we we've put out a couple of these uh special best of podcasts and um people seem to be very polarized about it this bats the mundane day-to-day stuff sips how are you doing what you're up to what are you doing you know i'm i'm doing good my uh the the plumbers are around again fixing the central heating this is a phase two of fixing this central heating ahead of another cold snap that's coming up so uh we got we got two we got two radiators with uh blockages they got the thermal gun out uh you can

see where the radiator is hot all the way around except for uh panels two three and and four i believe uh are out so you can see there is definitely cold spot in there. And it requires the radiator to be disconnected from the system. It's got to then be taken out into the backyard and have a hose fed through it to push out all the gunk that accumulates inside a radiator. And then once it's all cleared out, they put it back on the wall, give it a power wash, put some solution in there there and then hook it back up to the system and then the the heat is cranking once again so um yeah quite the water warmed quite the quite the ordeal we had an electric boiler fitted which i'm happy with but there's been some issues with the change in pressure to the uh to the

system from the old and that has caused a couple of blockages in the center i was drawn to the phrase thermal gun yeah thermal gun yeah it's really cool it's got a it's so it's a it's not it doesn't look like a pistol it's not like a dirty hairy magnum or anything like that it's uh it looks more like uh something out of ghostbusters like a tricorder maybe, but it's got a big screen on it. They didn't have tricorders in Ghostbusters. Wow. Sorry.

What was the thing in... The proton pack they had in Ghostbusters. No, no. I'm talking about the little device. The thing they use for Scientology to get the... If you have the amiibos. the e-meter i believe it's called e-meter whatever whatever that thing is the thing that they use to scan for ghosts the pke meter that's the ghostbusters was the pke meter i think all right so imagine that imagine a pke

meter but it doesn't have the little flaps coming out of it what little arms that go up and down yes it doesn't have that on it but it's got a little screen on it and uh it it'll show hot spots in like red yellow and orange and then cold spots in blue and uh you can see it's like red all around the radiator but then right in the middle there's like a blue spot and what's happening is it's not cranking out the heat you know as much as we'd like it and with it it being cold and stuff, and we got a baby, and the dingoes and everything, like, oh, man, it's just, it's no good. So they have to fix it. Psychokinetic energy meter.

Yes. That's what it stands for. When he scans Vince Clotho with it, the key master, it goes... That's right, it goes off the charts, yeah. He scans the painting, right? Would you like some coffee, Vince? Yes, have some! Yes, your honor. This man has no dick.

Oh, no dick. Oh, that's not what I'm thinking of. Where does he scan? He scans, uh, he scans- He scans a whole bunch of things with it. He scans, uh, he scans, um, what's his face? Rick Moranis. Yeah, that's Vince Cawthorne. Yeah, when he's scanning him, though,

if you look at the computer screen, it's a demon. It's the dog thing, isn't it? It's the dog demon. The gozer hound, yeah. Many shoves and zoos knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of this floor that day, I could tell you. His character is so good.

Rick Moranis was was was great man he's such a good guy oh yeah well he's he's uh he's still going isn't he i think he's coming back i think he took a break he took a break but uh he was much loved oh hang on a second my door now i'll be right back okay sorry i'll be right back the tables they have turned no one rings my doorbell p flex well um i'll be down there before The tables, they have turned. No one rings my doorbell, P-Flex. Well, I'll be down there before the end of the month. I need someone to ring my doorbell. I can come round and ring your little bell for you if you need me to.

No problem. When are you coming down? Later in the month. We're doing some more bolt action in it. Oh, yeah. We're thinking about, I don't know if we want to talk about the scenario, but I don't think we're going to do another sort of, I don't want to say comedy, but it was essentially a comedy.

Obviously, it had Dad's Army in it, so it wasn't a proper game of bolt action, if you like. And obviously, I'm thinking for the next one, maybe we do a famous historical mission from World War II. I had one in mind that I pitched to Ben. Okay. So we'll see. But it'll be interesting. I mean, the key element of it is that we get to push those little men around and roll dice, which is something I don't get to do very often. Yeah, I loved it. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you when Sips comes back, because

it's relevant. How have you been post JJ? Have you taken a needed break and relaxed? I'll tell you when Sips comes back because it's relevant. How have you been post JJ? Have you taken a needed break and relaxed and just done nothing? Or are you straight back into it? I don't know. I'm okay. I did take a little break. I told you last week I went on holiday with Spiff and Marty and everything,

which was very, very fun. We had just a very chill week. So yeah, I was able to have a little bit of a reset, which I think people need from time to time. I think this is why holidays are good for people because it's kind of like a little, it snaps you out of your routine and makes you realize what you're not enjoying. Taking you some time to come to this conclusion that I think,

I don't think you're going to find any arguments against that conclusion. Sometimes people need a break. I think, just ask me like, what was the most fun video you made in last year? And I was like, probably the bolt action video. Oh really?

Yeah. I really enjoyed doing that with you. I thought that was really fun. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. Did I miss anything? Sorry, I'm back.

No, no, no. Oh, man. I've just been informed that they found lumps in one of the radiators. They took it off the wall and they couldn't believe how heavy it was on one side. And they said there was lumps coming out. That might be... Check, it's not ectoplasm.

You know what I said? I said, well, there's your problem. I wanted to be helpful, you you know i like to fit in um so yeah no they're just uh they're gonna put a valve on uh i i don't know if you guys are interested in uh in radiators uh but uh the old uh so now we are the old oil boiler uh let me tell you one thing you had an oil boiler yeah an old one yeah well, yeah. Well, it wasn't that old, actually, because we had it replaced. Boiled oil? Yeah, you got to boil up the oil.

It was an oil-fired boiler that we used to have. And once those things get going, they go. They go like the clappers. Like, there's no stopping them, unless you actually turn them off, right? The old oil boiler. That's no name to call your long-suffering wife so we had uh we had the oil boiler but it was hooked into like a whole bunch of like older

components and stuff and basically it uh it wasn't too efficient because um when it would heat up it needed somewhere for all the excess heat to go so there was one radiator in the system that didn't have a valve and would just be like a thousand degrees and it was at the bottom of our stairs so no matter how hot the other radiators were this one radiator would just get all of the excess heat dumped into it so it was uh it was like piping hot so they're gonna put a valve on that one now because we've got the electric boiler which can uh curb itself somewhat we can put a valve on that one now and now we're not going to have a molten lava heater with all the other ones did i tell you about my washing machine so i i got i got my washing machine was always always funky right ever ever since i i

moved in to this place right it's probably line scale right you got hard water in your area and well basically like it was always i was always do like a like a like an eco 40 wash right and occasionally i do like a 60 cotton wash or whatever right yeah you gotta do it when you do your towels on out of interest yeah yeah yeah mostly like all the clothes would be for eco and then the rest would be like just a cotton wash right did you say come wash and yeah i what wash? I thought you said cum wash. Yeah, I'd be obviously, I guess that's not what I said, but I guess that's the way it actually works.

How dare you? And so I noticed that washing was always quite hot, right? And it's a combo washing machine tumble dryer, which they don recommend by the way no they're they're not they're not that great they're okay if you live in a flat or whatever and you have to have one it's fine but uh you should try to get a separate dryer is just insane they're they're crazy what it would always come out like the washing would always come out like quite hot like like as in like but but kind of like like too hot almost to touch right and this isn't right anyway when they give you those uh when they give you those moist towelettes on

the airplane and they're steaming hot like they put them in those airplane microwaves yes what they give them to you oh my god they're like that yes possessed by that if you ran eme over them poor oh my god it would be it would give you off the charts yeah so, it would be off the charts. So I just sort of didn't seem to damage any of my stuff or like cause any problems. Everything smelled fine and everything. I mean, it wasn't really a problem. It was just a bit hot. Sure.

And so when I got the, eventually like it's the washing machine started packing up and I thought various things various things but i was like i think it's just old so i got a replacement and the first wash i did was like a cold wash um but then it came out hot and i was like the is going on and i was like i bet you the taps are the wrong way around the wrong way around but i couldn't i couldn't i didn't have any evidence for this right because i'm not a plumber i didn't want to start doing this anyway i told the guy and he was like he was like it sounds bullshit but i'll come around and check he came out and it was it was literally that it was that the hot and the cold tap had been mislabeled on the wall and did you uh cross your arms go well there's your problem i was like i felt like when he figured it out benoit blanca of glass onion

yeah i was like ah yeah just. The case has been solved. I haven't seen that one yet. Everyone's talking about Glass Onion. It's not great. Well, it's fun. It's a romp. It's fine. It's got Daniel Craig in it, right?

Yeah. Does he wear his little kegs like he does in James Bond? His little bathing suit? He dresses like a fucking Ken doll in that movie. I mean, he does make for a good Ken doll, right? There's one scene where he turns up in this weird thing with a neckerchief. Like, he wears a fucking neckerchief. Do you know what I mean? So can I just quickly say, my issue with Glass Onion is, it's fucking boring. The script

is non-existent. I swear to God, it's like the first draft. The guy just boshed boring the script is non-existent I swear to god it's like the first draft the guy just boshed out the script over a weekend and they were like yeah whatever

they're working with absolute shit we got DC so it doesn't matter just any old thing we're gonna put him in his little James Bond underpants

and that's a wrap yeah but there's so many actors in it so many actors in it. So many actors. They've got Dave Bautista, they've got Edward Norton. Edward Norton? He's still going?

Yeah. Did you know Edward Norton is the 12th great grandson of Pocahontas? Wow. I thought you were gonna say Peter Norton, Norton Semantic, Norton Antivirus. Pocahontas was real? Yeah. I thought you were going to say Peter Norton, Norton Semantic, Norton Antivirus.

Pocahontas was real? Yeah. I thought she was just a character. Disney character. No. How was she real? I mean, I don't know how. I mean, that's obviously interesting.

But when you go that far down, 12. So that means saying the word great 12 times. I mean, not like the 12th one. No, I gotcha. That is a lot of people above you, right? 12? Well, it's like 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. It's like, there must be like a couple of thousand or maybe like 16,000.

I don't know how many. What's two to the power of 12? I think you'll find that it's 4,332.333. 4,000. So Edward Norton has technically got 4,012 great grandmas. One of them is Pocahontas. So I suppose that's not that rare. 4,096.

I was close, actually. Holy crap. It was just a wild guess as well, because I don't know how to figure that out. I don't know if it works that way. What do you mean? I think that's too many grandmothers. I think at that point, there's no possible way that he's at all related, right?

The spread is too much. If you've ever played Crusader Kings, the video game series, and you see those family dynasties, I've never seen a spread of 4,000. It's probably less than that because some of them are probably doubled up right you want to be a little bit of your i don't know what why why you're

doubling the number of people involved every time what why did why are you doing that well you're you're ending up with the number 4096 by doing two to the power 12 but it's not like it took 4096 people to make his direct descendant it took two people so you just you just have to go up the tree and eventually it like it 12 times removed you'd go up the tree and find his direct relatives who had a child who then married someone and then they had a child and then they married someone then they had a child all the way down do you know what i'm saying it's just 24 people yeah am i crazy here probably no no no you're not no you are you are crazy yeah i'm They married someone, then they had a child all the way down. Do you know what I'm saying? It's just 24 people. Yeah.

Am I crazy here? Probably. No, no, no. You're not. No, you are. You are crazy. Yeah. I'm blacking out.

I don't think I am. I'm just saying I could draw a list of the direct descendants from Pocahontas to Edward Norton and it wouldn't be 4096 people. If you're chucking in every other person, even remotely related to them all the way up, like all of them no no okay and it wouldn't be 4096 people no but like imagine no but your parents have two parents each right so you've got four grandparents eight great-grandparents 16 great-great-grandparents 32 great-great-great-grandparents. Yeah, but you don't need all them.

No, but I'm saying that you're- They all matter. Everybody, everyone along the line has had to contribute fluids to this. Look, whenever someone says they're descended from someone from 500 fucking years ago, a lot of people have descended from that person. They're not unique. It's not like I'm the heir of Pocahontas, right? You could just draw a pretty straight line.

I could probably find that I'm descended from a lot of historical figures if I went fucking far back enough. That's interesting and everything, but ultimately we're all descendants of Adam and Eve and let's move on. I'm just joking. Can I say that as interesting as this is and stuff

and that I love the review of Glass Onion the argument sorry again I've been watching a show that I've been enjoying recently called Inside Number Nine maybe you've seen it yeah yeah man I love the format I love the story story format it's really really cleverly written

some of the episodes are like so good some of them are a little bit of a duffer and you kind of think that was alright it's still okay I love some of them episodes are so good. Some of them are a little bit of a duffer and you kind of think that was all right. It's still okay. I love... But some of them are really fucking good. Yeah, I love how, like you were saying with Glass Onion, I like how there's just familiar faces

in all the episodes as well, right? Like they just seem to get... Yeah, but it's well written. It is very well written. Yeah. It's good. That's the thing is Glass Onion and the other one, whatever it was called

or not yeah there's no there's nothing to the characters they just cookie cutter boring terrible lines no dialogue that's memorable yeah inside no more nine i thought it was really i knew nothing about it i didn't i knew absolutely nothing about it and uh my mother-in-law says it's told me like months ago that she watches it. I was like, oh yeah, whatever. Like I just kind of ignored her. And then the baby was up and I was just, I had the baby laying on our bed half asleep. And I was just really bored waiting for her to fall asleep.

So I grabbed my iPad and I finished off a Vampire Survivors achievement run. And I was at a loss. I didn't really know what to do after that. So I fired up the iPlayer and I was like, I wonder what's on TV. You know, like the World Cup's done. So you don't really have a go to anymore. And inside number nine came. I was like, what the fuck is that? I thought it was like political or something.

I thought it was to do with politics or something. And I remember my mother-in-law saying that she watches it. And I was like, fuck it. I'll just give this a go. Like, I'm so bored. I will watch anything. Put it on. I loved it.

Yeah, it's great. I'm almost done season one now. Like, it's great. Oh, man. You've got eight series. I know. Eight. I'm looking forward to it.

It's really nice. There are some absolute storming episodes. Really good. There's some terrible onesing episodes. There's some good episodes. There's some terrible ones too. But that's what you're going to get when you have like this forced creativity, right? The idea is that it all takes place inside a room called the number nine. Or a house or whatever. And that might be in like a space station or a fucking train carriage.

The number nine just appears. I mean, in one of the episodes it's in a church. Well, originally that was the original well the guy the one i saw yesterday was the one with the actors the macbeth uh company and uh and with the uh with the assistant and um and the original actor who then becomes disabled and the other actor takes over and that takes place in dressing room number nine yeah like they just work the number nine in there so it's kind of a gimmick but it's not like the episode revolves no no around it no no it's supposed to be an enclosed kind of slightly off off beat well obviously it's from the guys who made yeah it goes it goes dark sometimes like league of gentlemen did they're definitely willing to to be to be very dark yeah

i think for me the best thing is that the way they in they it's only a half an hour show yeah you very quickly they're very good at just a few lines or a few points and you know the character yes yeah there's simple characters that don't need much you know fleshing out right like yeah you you can pick up with them they're usually're kind of like, they're cunty characters so often. They're quite a lot of cunty characters. Like dog kickers. Yeah, like chancers and like people who, you know, will take advantage of a bad situation and stuff, right? Like even just in series one,

most of the episodes have revolved around somebody trying to capitalize on somebody's death or planning to actually kill somebody. You know what, it kind of reminds me of um uh what was that old show um oh god tales of the unexpected goose really old show um paranormal or whatever what is goosebumps i've never heard of it goosebumps is a similar format it's like kids it's a kid's it's a kid's book and show yeah but it's like it's not uh it's like it's little short stories every time there's

no overarching like i see characters or or storyline or universe it harkens back to the older idea of like episodic tv and you know like like that's just not such a thing now everything has to be this which is good in a sense this this long-running it's yeah they try to fully flesh out a massive ip now all the time right like it has to have backstory lore scope for uh prequels and all that kind of stuff where this format doesn't need any of that right because it's all there's a few there's a few bits like love death of robots, and Tales from the Loop is actually one which is quite good. Yeah, Tales from the Loop is meant to be just sort of like a short story, weird kind of... Black Mirror, of course.

Yeah, Black Mirror is... Yeah, Inside Number Nine is compared to Black Mirror a lot. I don't... I think that... I would say Black Mirror is more like Twilight Zone than anything else. Yeah. Black Mirror, that's the classic one. Yeah, because Black Mirror has more fantastical stuff in it, right? Yeah. It'll be like, if you don't get a certain amount of likes on social media in a day- You can't buy a coffee or whatever. You can't buy something or, yeah, or whatever.

Whereas Inside Number Nine is more based around stuff that could actually happen. Human interactions Yeah It's not so sci-fi Yeah It's good So no I'm a big fan So one of the things that I was just saying to P-Flex While you were talking to Radiator Man

Was we played a game of bolt action Oh yeah But one of my things I really wanted to do this year Was play a game of Twilight Imperium Right I'm going to play it when we're down baby You played it Are you crazy

Yeah You sent us a WhatsApp of an 8 hour game That you guys played And I was like I'm in game of twilight imperium right i'm gonna play it when we're down baby you play are you crazy yeah do you send us a whatsapp of an eight hour game that you guys and i was like i'm in everybody that i could smell that room from the picture you know when you look at a picture and you can smell it wasn't too bad it wasn't too bad we were all very you guys look so sweaty everybody looked all flushed and sweaty in that picture. It wasn't that bad. We're all hygienic, nice smelling people. I know, but you're sitting in a cramped room playing a board game for eight hours. There's going to be a couple of whiffs in there for sure.

Especially since it's quite intense, right? Yes. The board game itself, Twilight Imperium, sounds and always has been daunting, right? The idea is like oh god i have to learn all these complicated takes ages it must be even hard but actually it's a piece of piss to learn uh it just takes a long time to process all the turns and then you get into these like trade deals and arguments with players so it's a bit like playing i want to say a game of multiplayer still like or something like this, right?

Where you start off, for the first couple of hours, you can't really fuck over another player. Did somebody say Stellaris? What DLTs are we talking about here? Give me a list of the DLTs, though, that I can actually get in on the conversation, please. So there's one big DLC, Prophecy of Kings, which adds a lot. There is actual dlc so i was just joking i didn't realize that it's a huge this is a i mean a twilight imperium is this granddaddy of mega pieces about as it's about as exaggerated as you could possibly imagine i'm

playing it when i come down i've already been invited to do so i think by you um well you're gonna have to learn that do this tutorial well you said it wasn't difficult you just said yeah but even even you you think i'm too stupid to play it because if we teach you on the day it will take even longer it took eight hours because we were rushing and we all knew exactly what because of that one time that i didn't like that cthulhu board game you you don't want to play board games with me anymore i'm fine you're on the shit list now he'll never forget after that infraction watch a video beforehand i'll watch a fucking video on it i'll do it you don't take board games seriously enough flax that's why nobody wants to play board game with you okay that's not the case i take them

very seriously i just didn't realize it was going to take 17 hours and it wasn't even a very good game no offence that game took a fraction of the time Twilight Imperium will take but some turns in that Cthulhu game Seas of Cthulhu's Balls or whatever it was called some turns it's like

well I will turn 90 degrees and then that is my turn completed and now it's like half an hour until you get to do anything again and you've got that for like seven hours that's where that's where like uh you know like uh extracurricular activities come in handy right if you if you vape or you smoke or if you like to drink or whatever you got all that time to do that stuff right in between turns i that's that has to be the the the plus side of a board game it runs real it runs real quickly you run out of impetus if you're in the twilight

period anyway it's it's basically a hex grid where there's there's a planet in the middle and you will start on the edges and you colonize your way to the middle and then you know you you fight over this middle planet that's the idea but but because there's a lot of um these interesting like mechanics you often on other people's turn are able to do things did you guys order pizza everyone gets a free ship we ordered um um from the korean place we got bibimbap and chips nice nice and chips i don't even care i like i like playing board games for all the stuff that happens around playing like the games themselves i can take them or leave them but like if you're ordering food and like we can you know smoke some shangri-la's or whatever like i'm i'm down you

know like i just like the hanging out because you could chat away it was very chill we were we were we enjoyed it i think everyone enjoyed it and um it was it was good it was a good social experience it's lovely we got we were very into the game as well so there's there's a couple of races that are more tradie and a couple of races that are more killy like the ferengi the romulans how much for the woman i'll give you three tons of latinum for that that is it is very much that I love the way that not only do they love money they love ladies

they like the the two best god damn things in life am I right guys but look at the Ferengi they have everything they need as a race in Star Trek to be like the playboys of space but then they look and sound like the Ferengi like they're trying to buy their way to into into the they're blessed and cursed at the same time

it's a balance they're little they're little space goblins aren't they really yeah they're the time is money friends of the star trek universe right if you have time to lean picard you have time to clean that kind of shit I will not do any cleaning for you, Ferengi. Take your latinum and get out of here. What I wanna do is, everybody else has done away with money, but the Ferengi are still clinging on, but they're trading in latinum, which is obviously like- Clinging on. Some fancy platinum. They're clinging on. Oh man, Star Trek.

No jokes about clinging on. Sorry, Wolf. How do you exist as trading with other species and all the rest of it across the empire and between the Federation, all these other different... If there's no money. There's no trade goods left, though. You can't even... Food just gets materialized out of nowhere in Star Trek. But there must be stuff that you can't just say, oh, great, too hot.

Like, you know, the computer will go, I can't make that. There'll be something it can't make. That's what you have to trade for. What about bespoke holodeck experiences by Geordi LaForge? I'm just saying, without money, if it's all bar to trade, if that's the entire system in Star Trek, because obviously the Federation doesn, without money, if it's all bar to trade, if that's the entire system in Star Trek, because obviously the Federation doesn't have money, what are they trading in?

How do you trade stuff in such a way where you say, we'll give you money for that? You have to trade goods for other goods. Yeah. I'll give you five tons of latinum in exchange for a real sexy time with a counselor, Deanna Troy in the holodeck. I didn't agree to this captain. No, no, it's all right. Geordi coded up- real sexy time with uh counselor Deanna Troy in the holodeck I didn't agree to this captain

no no it's alright Geordi coded up a version of you yeah Geordi's coded up version Geordi's coded up

a deal a version of you don't worry Deanna it does feel like often they are getting something that's slightly like that's the

Star Trek you have to give them some shield schematics or some weapon you know or some of bomb, or a jar of some glowing stuff, you know, without a warp core. There's always something, yeah. There's always something fucking weird they have to end up trading. Replacement warp crystals.

Dilithium crystals. I wonder if that's because they realise that so many plot points need money. Yeah, it's essential. Because we're so familiar with that in our society. They can never borrow. Realize that so many plot points Need money It's essential They can never borrow There's no trade deficit They can't ever Don't they have federation credits

No because there's no money is there It's like a utopian situation I don't think there's any money in the federation You think Picard gets like a pay slip and just leaves it on his desk That could be a good episode actually Riker comes in what's this three million federation credits i need a pay rise just like it's apparently they have energy credits they have energy credits energy credits right yeah but uh i don't know you never you never hear the federation talking about money

god the star trek was so ahead of its time and could see into the future some of those for helping with paying for the heating aren't we energy credits yeah yeah fram fucking out fucking out um the apprentice uh has started and is in full swing all you'd be pleased to know on the topic of tv and tv shows our favorite how many uh how many episodes does it run for? Too many. And there's only been one. And already it's a gigantic shit show, as you can imagine. I don't doubt it.

I do not doubt it. A good TV show, if people want to watch that, Happy Valley has started its third series after a seven-year hiatus. Oh, my God. Yeah, I heard it was really good. I watched it. It does not look like a Happy Valley from the ads that I've seen. It looks really grim. The title, some might describe as semi-ironic.

It doesn't seem like a happy at all. It is really fucking good. You've got to watch it from the start if you have never seen it. Before we go too off topic, did you guys notice the Among Us bit in Glass Onion? I didn't see it. I have not seen Glass Onion. I think so. He's playing it in the bath or something

with like Judi Dench and other people. Did you find it like cringe? I just thought this has just been dropped in because it's like, haha, won't that be funny? Right. Was it funny? No. Not even one little chuckle? No. Not even a grimace?

No, there was nothing funny in the entire thing it was like okay it's just just dreadful i laughed at it though i just um i didn't finish it i got three quarters of the way through and then we went to bed and mrs f finished the next day she said don't bother his dog shit i was like yeah the last quarter of it you don't need to watch for sure what is it is it is it a series or no it's just a movie it's like the new um knives out like have you seen knives out it's good no i haven't seen that no knives out it's on netflix you should watch it i have all these subscriptions to these things and i find i watch less and less now i don't really know uh really and then what i do watch is just garbage. Yeah, I just watch The Apprentice or fucking Married at First Sight or something.

What you could do is Samsung have made a new oven that lets you live stream a feed of what you're cooking. Are you fucking serious? You can watch people fucking live streaming. Is it a gas? Which is hilarious because nobody fucking cooks anymore. They just order fucking garbage from Deliveroo or whatever it is now, right? No. Most people just order all their food in now.

Did you not read the thing about they found out that gas ovens are actually super bad for you? Like for a lot of – they've done this scientific study. This is a big thing in the States. Having a gas oven is like having secondhand smoke. Right. And also, when you turn it off, it's still putting out some chemicals. And they've done this research.

I don't know if it's 100% confirmed yet, but if you look it up, there's a big thing in the States where apparently they're trying to take our ovens away, is what the Americans are saying. Gas oven. Yeah, you'll fucking pry my gas oven from my dead hands from my cold dead leftovers i had a i had a uh a gas oven and a gas boiler in uh in a flat i used to live

in do you think i'm under you think maybe i'm unhealthy now as a result we live there for about five years no i don't I don't believe so. I mean, as I understand it, it does put out pollutants. I mean, you're burning a natural gas and it's just in the room with you, right? I mean, it's unbelievable, I think, that there might be some health cost to that. Because it's not like, I mean, you aren't burning gas. There's going to be byproducts of that. And so apparently they've done this study in Australia

and America and found that a lot of, one fifth of all childhood asthma cases could be traced to people having gas ovens. Now they raised it as a health concern and they said that in new properties, new build properties, we're going to say, maybe don't put gas ovens in. We're not going to come and take your gas oven away. But apparently this is a big thing. And as someone pointed out, thank goodness that asbestos was discovered to be bad before it became like a political issue. Because you never know, people might sort of, you're not going to take my asbestos. Like, I think it's a similar kind of thing where they discovered, hey, actually, this isn't necessarily good for you.

I read a statement from the World health organization on this topic uh recently as well and now they're now saying that there is no healthy amount of alcohol that you could ever have it's just actually bad for you yeah i'm done that ain't gonna fucking stop me well that's the same with a lot of things there's no healthy amount of red meat there's no big justification used to be there's no healthy amount of tobacco yeah there's no healthy amount of tobacco yeah there's no healthy amount of lots of things like regular things there's no healthy amount it's a spin a staple justification for people who drink right that that that you know if you if you drink moderately once or twice a week or whatever it's fine it's there's no and and then sometimes

they even turn around and say actually actually, there's some health benefits to doing it. But now they're saying, no, there's not. You should have a glass of red wine once every fortnight. It's just straight up bad for you. It's the antioxidants I enjoy in this red wine. Really? I like getting fucked up.

It's when I lose all inhibitions and wake up in a pile of my own excrement. That's why I do it. I mean, I'm a little sensitive about the vegetarian thing today why because we had the food shop come on tuesday right and mrs f does the food shop when she's watching progress bars for work right which is the thing she has to do sometimes she sets a bunch of things going she's just waiting for things to complete and while she's doing that sometimes she got some downtime do you think it's ever stressful like in mission impossible when tom cruise is waiting for the download to happen and somebody's just about to enter the room yeah yeah sometimes she really does get stressed she's like watching it like

please don't fail like if some process fails and then if it does she's like right i'm gonna go into the fucking office and blah blah blah so it can be it can be stressful but she have a keyboard that has those really really satisfying satisfying clacking sounds like they do on movies. Like a mechanical keyboard? Yeah, but I don't know how they do it. The Hollywood keyboards always sound way better than any of the keyboards I've ever had. It's because they use really old shitty keyboards that make that noise.

With that really nice clacking noise. And I think they just add on a clickety clacky noise, because that way people understand that they're typing. And then they also use that sound for when something's downloading, where it sounds like the gears of your hard drive. Like a dot matrix printer is getting. The old hard drives that used to make that sound. The old C64 hard drive.

Like that. Those ones, yeah. So she does the online food shop. Great. Very, very happy that she does that. Thank you very much. And she sometimes orders things on there that are sort of like, I just i'd give it a try a vegetable lasagna right now sure it was vegetables it was it was vegetables and lentils in a lasagna sure appalling it was one of the worst

things me and the kids were like this is revolting and as soon as it arrived as soon as it arrived in the in the food shop i saw it and i was like this must have been a substitution and i said to her i think they've substituted our lasagna with fucking vegetable lasagna she goes oh no it got good reviews on the website you were trying to dislike it you were primed for it then okay you weren't objective it had vegetables on the top of the lasagna right That's weird. Which looked dog shit. And then it's all the way through his lentils and vegetables.

We cooked it. I tried eating it. It was fucking awful. Awful. So when you were having a go at red meat right then. No, but you were primed. That turned up and you were like, this looks disgusting. Yeah, you were already biased. You were heavily biased.

That's the problem with food. If you think it's going to be disgusting, you will find it disgusting. like heavily biased yes that's the problem because if you think it's gonna be disgusting you will find it disgusting i don't think that's true in like a fucking fancy heston blumenthal restaurant you would be like delectable no does it does it taste like this one does it taste like this one because if it does i would have said excuse me i want to change my order because this is heston would come out and be like, Hester, what's your problem? You're not fucking lasagna, you prick. It would have been so bad, yeah.

Well, whatever. You guys didn't eat it. You're running your e-meter over the lasagna and like, oh, this is fucking got some shit in it. Listen, everyone out there, listen to this. It's not a vegetarian. This is what it's like. You know what I had for dinner the other night, Flax?

I had rice. Just plain rice. is what it's like okay you know what i had for dinner i the other night flax so i had uh i had rice just plain rice with carrots and peas from a tin that was my dinner yeah were you eating alone or something no this is my whole family your whole family just had to chuck something together real quick you know like sometimes uh sometimes sometimes you just got to make do. It's not an event, eating in my house. Nobody really wants to eat in the first place. We don't make much of an effort, you know? Vegetarians or vegans don't really enjoy food, and it fucking shows.

For you, it's like just sitting at a petrol station. You're like, bored, just get it done. I don't want to do it, yeah. It just gets in the way of all the other things i actually want to do but in the evening you don't stream you fucking watch the apprentice you've got so much time on your hands you're fumbling around for shit to watch no i watch the apprentice and then uh when my wife goes to bed i come out and i do some uh some private gaming you know just uh on top of the fucking 12 hours of gaming i've already done is that

the private gaming with uh mrs palm and her five lovely daughters or no it's the uh i don't know if you know about this about steam but you can have a private games library that's not uh not visible to anyone i'd love to see what's in there all those fucking hentai school games yeah well i got a vr headset so i i figure i gotta make the most of it you know have you thought about trying uh some vtubing like get an avatar for yourself have a sips vtube no i never have i should probably give it a go dude fairly unattractive maybe a vtuber this week who is ai controlled right um and as a result constantly spouts well not constantly but racism you know it is certainly says things like oh i'm not sure i believe in the holocaust and

stuff like this of course it would of course it's ai controlled right yeah so but yeah these vtubers are everywhere you should try it sips you i think it would be funny my friend uh sir action slacks did it with windrunner as his vtube avatar and it was it was really funny right does he do it like uh does he do it regularly or just he just did it for a while just did it i thought he was more i thought he was more of a techies guy i didn't like or did he just pick windrunner because it was funny for the VTubers I think his community picked it I think they picked his avatar and of course

they know he hates Windrunner so much like the Crystal Maiden cosplayer because he's a big techies enjoyer

last I checked he was but then they changed techies he's more of a I see him play Omniknight pretty much every day

he plays Omniknight yeah he plays Omniknight he plays Necro I don't think he I don't think he has even played new techies I think he I can't play

every time i play necro it just falls i if i play against necro holy shit like i i feel like i'm playing against artesi playing necromancer when i play necro oh my god it's just like i cannot do the things that people do uh to me when when they're playing necro like i don't want to i can't figure that hero out at all. I don't want to get into Dota chat. No, we won't. I also haven't played Dota since before Christmas. What?

Yeah, you were playing it the other night. I saw you playing it the other night. No, I was doing the in-house. Oh, you were doing the in-house. I've just been playing Tarkov. You're going to lose touch, dude. I'm waiting for the new patch, dude. Bloodstone, Razor. I've been waiting for fucking months.

Is there a new hero coming out? Yeah. The new patch? Muerta. Muerta. Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten about that. I mean, it's been...

Cinco de Mayo, brain. Is it like something to do with the... Maybe that's when the patch will come out. It's Day of the Dead, I think. Well, yeah. It's good thinking. I think it's like March or April, they said, didn't they? It's the start of 2023.

The problem is it's been the same game now for a long time. It's just so stale that I just needed a break. Well, I mean, it always runs the risk. It's an old game, right? They got to keep it fresh. You got to try to keep it. Do you not remember? The battle pass is done.

I have no incentive to play it. Do you to try to keep it yeah i mean i'm just done i have no incentive to to play it do you not remember when they said we're going to be doing a patch every week or two weeks yeah that lasted like a month well i mean every game goes through that though right last year or the year before everybody's with their best intentions yeah they've got plans and they can't they realize it's way too much and you know valve are like you know all right fine we'll do it i've been i've been playing a lot of wow recently and for the first time in 18 years of world of warcraft they actually have a roadmap uh for for this year which is is exciting and interesting but uh the the likelihood of them actually um you, putting out any of the stuff that they're promising on time is so slim.

Do you think they're doing this to try and win back some good PR? Because they've not been in a good place. They have to, yeah. The expansion itself is good and I've been playing it a lot, but I have noticed that the previous two expansions, which were bad, have taken their toll for sure. Because long standing people who would normally play a lot of wow that i have like on my friends list or whatever just have not

come back they're just gone they just it is still quite high up the list on twitch in terms of like people watching it so yeah it's it's and i assume it sells a bunch it still has a fairly big community but they they don't release a lot of the retention figures now. They stopped releasing them after, I think, Wrath of the Lich King, because people were getting really hung up on the subscriber amounts and stuff like that. But people are speculating that this expansion, although it is good, it's the best one they've had in a while, player numbers are really low for the game but i think people just switched off i think they they just lost a lot of good it's an old it's

an old it's an old game and also final fantasy is really good yes yeah that's true people haven't left that to come back to wow people left wow to go to final fantasy but for the longest time wow just didn't have any competition right but now final Fantasy is legitimately- It's really very good. I know when at Jingle Jam, several people that were there, I think Mousy and a couple of other people were obviously playing so much of it. Mousy, Rithian plays it a lot. I think Pretty much everything they were saying was coming back to- Final Fantasy. Oh, Final Fantasy. I was like, wow, you guys have played this game a lot. A hell of a lot. Yeah. It's good. I have played it as well.

I liked Final Fantasy. It's pretty good. But I don't know. It's weird, right? It's like, it's what you're used to is comfort and all that kind of stuff too. I just go so far back with WoW that if I'm going to play an MMO, I'd like to play WoW. And I'm glad that it's fun again. It's nice to enjoy it again.

I prefer it to Final Fantasy for sure. But WoW has these dips where it just sucks and nobody wants to play it. Yep. I think that's the thing. I play Dota. I drop in and out of Dota now and I like that. I think there's so much choice.

There's so many games. And you shouldn't be forced to do something you're not enjoying. Just stop doing something you're not enjoying and don't try and rationalize that. Get your private library on Steam and get your VR headset. I don't think we should be sad about it or anything. You could be jacking off all the damn time. If you're paying 15 quid a month for a fucking game like World of Warcraft,

you want to get a whole game's worth of entertainment out of it, and you're not getting that for 9 or 10 or 12 months of the year. You get it in that first month but that's it like i don't know i just don't feel like the value is there you know and obviously wow aren't going to be free to play like all the other well not all the other no other mmos but a lot of games out there do you think that um one of the reasons it's been able to live as long as it is is because of the subscription thing because i do wonder the long term... Partly, but also Blizzard had such an incredible reputation before the past two or three years, right?

Right, but even putting that aside... They had fanatical fans in the community that a lot have left now. If you don't have a subscription system, you have to continually make money off the new content right yeah those games are massively profitable yeah these games make an absolute shit ton of money so but wow so wow's wow's model is that you have to buy the box expansion plus k yeah in game shop yeah so wow has both the cosmetics and the crap

right wow makes vast vast amounts of money right 99 of that goes into the pockets of the ceos and the shareholders right like like a fraction i'd say one percent of the money wow has made has been put in back into the game to make new bits of the game wow is vastly vastly profitable i think a lot of other mmos are yes they exactly have that problem that they aren't bringing in enough money to to keep them going or even pay for the servers and that's why they get shut down i mean i'm just saying if we look at tarkov for example now i bought tarkov or i was given a copy of tarkov the press copy but let's say i bought it yeah the full version

yeah whatever six years ago or whatever so i bought that that's that's the only money they've ever got out of me so when it comes to developing the game and all the rest of it essentially you reach a point where you've got a player base that is no longer putting any money into the game having them continue to play is actually just draining money okay but the interesting thing with tarkov is that um a game like Tarkov is very attractive for people who cheat, right? And people who cheat spend money in the game because they have to buy new copies of the game when they get banned for cheating, right? So there is money being made, extra money being made off the back of people cheating in Tarkov. Yeah, but I don't think enough people are cheating.

But that's like one of their only revenue streams now. Yeah, it's kind of weird. That's why I'm just saying, like, if you're World of Warcraft... Because I can't imagine that the new player intake for Tarkov is huge right now. No, I mean...

Because it is a brutal game. It is, but I mean, I'm sure there are people... I know that whenever I stream it, there are people saying, just got this, it's really hard. Sure, yeah. Can you give me some tips?

And there are definitely new players coming in. There are, but they're not, not enough to, to make them the money that they'd be looking for. I don't think. Like it's got that long tail. So it had that big, I don't think it even had a big surge when it first came out.

I think it kind of was ticking along with a very few number of players, relatively speaking. I think Twitch drops have helped them a lot. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, I know that Pestily had like, was it 300,000 views or something the other day? Like a lot too. Maybe, yeah. I mean, I know that Pestily had like, was it 300,000 views or something

the other day? Like a lot of people. Yeah, insane, yeah. So you had a huge spike when the game really suddenly was in a good state and was being streamed a lot and some big guys started streaming it and then it had a huge burst. Then it's got that long tail. If you think about WoW, it's been having money coming in for a long time and the player base is always contributing money and then with the expansion packs and stuff like that that come out yeah how much freedom does that give you as a developer to say we don't have to just depends on your philosophy right if your philosophy is we get that money up front we pay ourselves we buy our yachts and our houses and our fucking

you know luxury villas in the algarve right and then next year oh shit we didn't do a subscription payment i guess we had to shut the game down guys sorry no no some people are like the opposite of that where they're like okay our game has made this much money we're going to continue this model this payment model and we're going to continue supporting the game into the future based on how much we've gotten in, right? If your philosophy is fucked up, then it's going to be fucked up. That's all it is. Some people are greedy and other people aren't. Tarkov has made huge amounts of money.

It's sold literally millions of copies. That means it's taken in hundreds of millions of dollars. And maybe it's cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. But again, that depends on how much you're spending on your you know epic silicon tropolis fancy office and how many wanky staff you've got you know making stuff like i think anyone can spunk all their money away or give it to themselves you know it takes takes different people with different attitudes to do things differently i think each's company is different. I think 99% of them are struggling.

And the 1%, like Tarkov, have far too much money and don't know what to do with it. Tarkov is incredibly successful. Tarkov apparently is still worked on, but barely. Because I think a lot of the work that they're doing on Tarkov, they're using it for some new game that they're making, which is apparently... Arena. No, it's not even...

It's nothing to do with Tarkov. It's like some new game that they're working on that apparently is their big passion. And Tarkov is a pain in the ass. They've wanted to do... They've just reluctantly work on it. Like a DayZ, essentially. So their vision for a long time has been that the whole world is joined up so you don't go into a raid in one point and leave at that point you go in at one point you

make your way through all these different areas eating and regening and health and yeah as you go that that's been a thing that they've wanted to do and i think that they've people have said please don't do that it would kind of ruin tarkov and it would but i believe that they've always wanted to make that other game yes meant to be all joined up it's we say this we say this again and again but when you release a game to the people that isn't your game anymore and people like that experience and don't want it to change i want to come back to it in 10 years time which is why wow i've had to do wow classic another runescape classic and these these ideas where it's like oh we've you can't play the game that you played when you were a kid because because it's not doesn't exist it's not

allowed you're not allowed to play it but people want to and so they're like well let's give people that it's a positive thing right and so so you know tarkov as well that's the secret of course is to just give people more options give people more game modes evolve your game keep the original one going in some some some low low key form and i want something i want tarkov to have a game mode where it's like like a zero to hero mode you queue in with a pistol everybody queues in with a pistol what it's hard off if you have yeah and then if you if you leave a raid with like a ton of gear it's because you've gone from having a pistol and worked your way through the map and gotten some good stuff and killed other people and taken their stuff

whatever you know what i mean like i'd much rather play that than tarkov as it is now because like it's fun like when when a wipe happens for like a week and then it's just you're just playing against robocop every time right with this he's got he's got the best load out it's the whole game is solved within a week because people just know life it and have no life that since it was released or whatever it's just not it's it's just not a fun game like uh so soon after a wipe you know what i mean it would be better if there was like uh the matchmaking was evened out a little bit more by giving people next to nothing to go in with and then the the idea is what you're suggesting is that they design a game rather than basically some sort of no no they could just have like a sucking engine of of unhealthiness like wow though like all of these

games modes used to be where you give the more time you put in the more success you'll have in the game and so therefore it encourages people to to know life to be successful to have to play that game yeah which which it which is i think what you get is with these companies they have their metrics right and they have their staff and they're like okay this team here these are making the lowest money they're still making you know here's a storm it's still making half a million pounds a year for us but that's the lowest out of all of our properties so we're going to shut that one down right the squeakiest wheel gets the grease or or you know the worst the worst people the worst performing thing in your group or your or your awareness gets your criticism right yeah

and so i think like oftentimes there's that but there's also the analytics idea of oh our numbers have gone up we must be doing the right thing they don't realize the psychological impact they're having on their player base you know they have these game developers and games companies are run by people who see money and they see they they are not aware often they don't play their own games um you know these people who make mobile games and attract the whales to spend thousands of pounds they're not thinking about those people they don't care about those people they're dimly aware of those people yeah and and and they they they lean into that they're like oh this is making more

money i will do this more of this and that's the evolution of mobile games. That's the evolution of games generally. And we have to avoid being caught in that dragnet of psychologically scarring games. They're not doing it on purpose. They're doing it because they don't see or care or know the impact that their games are having on their players. Well, I would like you to know that I've been psychologically traumatized by Played Up, a game that your company published. I got really obsessed with it and played it all the damn time, and only just recently have kicked the habit somewhat, but I still yearn to play it again. Well, there's a new update coming, Chinese New Year. Oh, nice. Nice, there's a new update coming, Chinese New Year.

Nice, nice, nice, nice. I've been playing Tarkov for over two weeks now and I've been having a ton of fun and I think they have done a lot to address what you were complaining about, Chris, with the early wipe. Like for example, a lot of the ammo that you would be running into earlier on with the really good ammo, you just can't buy it on the flea market anymore and it's all very hard to get and you have to find it in raid and blah blah blah so it is it is harder and i have noticed that the earlier stage is dragged out we've been running five man stacks in the evening and it's been a ton of fun sometimes i mean one lad kills all five of us

sure but that is itself quite funny that'll happen for sure but uh yeah i don't know it's try new things play story things try different things like just experience what's out there there's so much stuff there's so many different worlds yeah people love doing the dnds and people love doing like that's something i really want to do this year is run a dnd campaign i've bought a load of interesting books that i want to set if you do that yeah can i be involved? Yeah, I'd love to. You don't want me to be involved. I can tell from your, yeah. Well, I'm more scared about DMing being a bad DM because I've tried DMing before and I've been bad.

But it's practice. But I'm going to change. I've got a few lessons from Tom and stuff. I haven't played D&D in ages. Well, it won't be D&D. I'm not a fan of Dnd but it'll be it'll be it'll be role playing as he's gonna make his own he's gonna make his own he's making up his own pathfinder or like um it'll be it'll be there's like 20 there's like a thousand other better

systems than dnd the current edition dnd looks like a really nice paired down or paired back that's what they're trying to sell you But it's made by fucking It's shit it's the lie Hasbro and the multi-billion dollar company Are ruining D&D The system is not a good system It's a bloated mess

Of crap with incredibly sluggish combat The rules is like 10 pages D&D is just it's not It is You have to buy like a 50 quid fucking player's guide for it it's it's all a scam so dnd is not the best system it looks like a really nice i've been going through a lot of it and i'm really really unimpressed with with current dnd and their attitude towards it they want their game to be the only dnd and they mark it like

you see in stranger things and all this well i mean you can't blame them though and it's not you would do the same thing though that's the thing you're criticizing them but you would do if you had to market something and and you were making your own dnd watch you're gonna make your own dnd and you're just gonna become the new hasbro right you won't even realize it's happening dnd i'm gonna use one of the thousand really cool indie tabletop gaming things made by fans who are sick of the crappy D&D that they used to have to play. I would love to know what's

crappy about it. If people listen to this and there's a thread on the subreddit, give me an explanation of why D&D is bad now. Because I played second edition. I played third edition. I played 3.5 I didn't play 4 and I haven't played 5 yet but I've read the book I'm gonna be honest with you my main

problem with it is there's not enough sexy cats in it that you can have sexy cats in it there's not enough there's never enough for me I need tons right but then you need the right bm okay but i'd like to set dnd in universes like judge dread june the expanse d20 just do that with d20 already did that i can do no but there's books there's tabletop settings that i don't think flax wants to play cthulhu after his last experience i'm not gonna do the work myself but what i'll customize it on gurps i'm just saying that like there's there's all these much better systems that do a generic fucking fantasy universe where you could be a fucking dragonkin or a dark

elf. I don't want to be all that. I want to be a lad. Well, you don't want D&D then. You want any of these other cool RPGs. I want to be a doctor, but not necessarily a doctor. You know, like, I want to be like a dentist. Oh, I see, like Dr. Dre.rey a producer a self-appointed doctor yes you could do that but then i want people to refer to me as doc or doctor

you know you could do that i mean that's the thing there's no rule saying that you have to have all these ridiculous classes and characters you can do a low magic setting in dnd if you wanted and just say no you all have to be humans but i think dnd is synonymous with the dungeons and dragons wizards of the coast hasbro marketing setup current massive mega shit and it's and and it's and it's not these days it's not considered by people who are actually into tabletop gaming as a very good place to run dnd from i can play i'm gonna i know we're calling it dnd but i'm not using any i'm not gonna use any dnd stuff it'll be pen and paper it'll be it'll be call it pen and paper a fun adventure adventure on pen and paper role play session

and if that puts you off which i understand it would because people want to play dnd but i'm what I'm saying is the systems to play D&D are better without D&D wow alright comments below I want to know more

a bold statement to end this riveting podcast as usual I just want to thank both of you I love talking about what are you thanking us for

I don't know just thanks you were a part of this thing but you were a part of this world just thanks for being there just thanks for being there when we need sorry to end it on a rant about dnd that's fine do you know what tom h edits this podcast he'll know more than me we started off with fucking talking about a radiator being wonky on one side i mean yeah we we veered around we

can't just talk about radiators for an hour and 10 minutes it's true we're gonna talk about other shit maybe next week that's no please no no hopefully my my radiators for an hour and ten minutes. It's true. We could. Maybe next week. No, please no. Hopefully my radiators will be fixed. My kids are getting new beds next week that have storage built into them and everything. I can tell you about that shit next week. Thank you, everyone. Bye.

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