Triforce! - Triforce! #247: The Ambassadors of Earth

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

Triforce! Episode 247! Four adults go to Disney Land and have a great time, Aliens visit Earth and we have to decide who is our ambassador and we try to understand your weird fantasies! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Triforce podcast. Sorry, sorry. Do you want me to do like a... Welcome, everyone, to Triforce News, where we cover out-of-date stuff that happened and mundane things that happened in our overly dad lives. Today, Sips bought some milk. That's right. Stubbed his toe.

I did not actually buy any milk today. Fake news. Yeah. Fake news. God, just regale me with what's happened this week then. I'm bracing myself. And my daughter's feeling a lot better. Oh, good.

Bobby Sips III is feeling better. This is good news. She's back to And my daughter's feeling a lot better. Oh, good. Bobby Sips, the third, is feeling better. This is good news. She's back to school. She's feeling better. It's all clearing up. So she's on the mend. There's still a ways to go, but she's doing good. Good.

Well, I've definitely noticed that the third child, Sips, has made you... Bitter? No, angry. I want to say unavailable. unavailable too yeah i try to be as available as i can no i mean available ish but it it is a lot of uh extra overhead you know i think it's more that you want there's an obligation to do everything to take this kid there and look after this kid and do this kid right so as a result like you're when i say oh do you want to come to bristol for a week you're like uh there's a lot on no i know well i mean it's it'd be good uh i think this summer we're gonna try to uh to all come out

to bristol because everybody in my family does really enjoy Bristol. The entire clan. Yeah, so we're going to bring the whole clan over maybe for like a week's vacation or whatever and just stomp around Bristol a bit. That's funny. We're going to do a summer holiday in the UK this year as well. Yeah. Because last year we went to California and obviously that was a big,

that was like two weeks in California with the flights and the accommodation. It was not a cheap holiday. It was like a big holiday yeah we wanted to do for ages uh-huh and this year mrs f was like right we got to go somewhere i was like let's just go somewhere in the uk well yeah there's a lot of nice places bring the dog and and we'll probably bring my mom and you know we'll just find somewhere and i was thinking around bristol might be a nice place to go so we could even try and coordinate that and be a down around the same time. That might be fun.

That would be pretty good. Yeah, we should try to do that. No, there's a lot to do in the area. Unite the two clans of children and see how they fare. You could go to like Bath for the day. It's not too far away. Oh, yeah. You could go down further if you wanted to.

You can go down to Longleat for the day. It's not too far. Especially in the summer, right? The days are a lot longer. And you're just like, you're not you're not in like your routines right so you're not trying to get everybody off to bed super early and stuff there's more leeway so uh not that i don't want you to come but surely there's better family holiday destinations i mean when i was a kid you know i used to really enjoy going off to these places where my parents would sort of leave me there.

Sure. And there were other kids there, you know, and they were doing their own kind of holiday. But they kind of always tried to pick somewhere. Like I was over hearing someone talking about skiing the other day. And they were like, we always go to the same resort because they let us drop the kids off at nine in the morning. We'd have to pick them up until 6 p.m. But also from their parents or from i don't know the um you know the kid i think you both need a break from each other i'm sure you know

i was a kid i didn't particularly love spending time with my parents no it's weird one but like when you're when you're the person who's organizing the trip there's a lot to be said for familiarity as well right because it removes a lot of hassle. If you're familiar with the area, if you're familiar with the accommodation, the food and stuff isn't a problem because it's all food that you're used to having or your family's used to having. It takes away a lot of the hassle. It's not something you normally need to think about if you didn't have an army of small kids and stuff, but it's super helpful when you do. When you're a young whippersnapper and you're planning a vacation, you want to go go somewhere new you want to go somewhere exciting

you want an experience but when you're older and you have kids you're not so much after the experience for yourself you're trying to provide your kids with an experience but uh you're trying to make life a little bit easier for yourself because it's not much of a break it's just it's more work you want it to be you have tons of work to do and then you go away and it's not much of a break. Exactly. It's more work. You want it to be... You have tons of work to do and then you go away and it's even more work. It wants to be nice and special, wants to be nice and special,

but at the same time, you think you have to think practically. You have to think practically, but also kids. As soon as the kids weren't with you, weren't with you anymore, you'll start being adventurous again. Maybe.

My parents have done some really interesting trips, like even like recently, you know, Costa Ricaica did they go on a cruise though interesting places because i find that they're not really i mean cruise is a bit safe yeah i feel like that's that's a a thing that like because my parents do that a lot like they'll say we're going to this crazy place that we've never been to before and you're like wow that's going to be nuts they're like yeah we're just cruising there so like we'll be there for

a day and then we'll spend the rest of time on the boat yeah like yeah and the whole excursion is gonna be you know uh chaperoned by uh you know a professional person from the boat and stuff like that which is fine i'm not i'm not knocking it i think it's it it's a it's definitely a way to just to see other stuff or whatever but it's a little bit different to like when you're 20 and you're just embarking on this, you know, exciting- Backpacking tour of Peru. Yeah, exactly. It's a little bit different. Which I never did.

And I still have a lot of respect. My cousin did it just before- Well, he knew he was getting married in a year and they were planning on having kids. So, he was like, I'm going to do my round the world tour. And he did it right before COVID actually. Oh, good timing. Like just got it done before COVID hit. And he went to like, you know, South America.

He went to Russia. He went to like, you know, these islands in the Pacific. He went all over the world, him and his wife. Right. And I think they had like, it was like their last great hurrah. You know, their last chance for 20 years to do something like that on their own. Yeah, and I think it was good.

My parents, did I tell you they recently came back from Disneyland, Florida? Wait, wait, wait. They went just themselves? No, they went with my brother and his wife. Do they have kids? Do they have kids? What do you mean, do they?

Oh, no, they don't know. But my brother's wife works as a nursery nurse. Right, but so she brought some of the kids with her? No, no, no. She just spends a lot of time. So four adults, four adults went to Disneyland. She's a big Disney fan. I'm against that.

I'm against that. Not just four adults, but two very elderly adults. So my dad's 80-something, mid-80s, and he had... Because when you turn up and it's your first time at Disney, they give you a big badge, which is, you know, first timer. Right. And so he had this huge badge on his hat that he wore the whole time.

And he said he had a great time because loads of people came up and talked to him. A lot of the parks have a lot of stuff to do that isn't, like, that bad for that bad for like you know old folks to to walk around and enjoy well i'll tell you what they had a brilliant time the resort is impressive i mean like the scale of it like some of the the theming of it and stuff you know what like uh we went to the one in uh in anaheim a couple of times right around going to blizzcon and stuff and you know like when you and stuff and you know

like when you walk in and you're in that sequoia lodge and it looks like you feel like you're in wrath of the lich king or something you know like it's all themed up and nice there's a lot of stuff like that at disney which i can appreciate like you don't necessarily have to walk around and listen to the chippendale rescue rangers theme tune blaring throughout the park going on a roller coaster and getting sick from eating too many too many Mickey Mouse pizzas and stuff. None of them did any roller coasters. Yeah you don't have to do any of that stuff really. What? You can just go and have. They were there for I think 10 days. A gentle time. None of them did any roller coasters. God almighty. They went to like like different parks each day and kind of. And the weather would have been really nice around this time of year too right. Super It was super nice. They weren't too hot. They weren't too cold. Like, they just had like, they had a great time. There was like loads of interesting things for them to do.

They, you know, they went on some boats and did some mini golf and went to, I don't know, well, one of, there's like a whole animal kingdom, which is basically a big zoo, you know. And I think it's one of the less interesting parts. Well, I want to register my discontent. I'm not happy. Okay, no, discontent registered, but. Adults, go to adult things. Don't go to Disneyland my discontent. I'm not happy. Okay, no, discontent registered. Adults, go to adult things. Don't go to Disneyland.

Go to Amsterdam. But this is you being... I think a lot of it is made for families, and family stuff is fine, right? Yes, for families. That implies there have to be children present. I'm just saying. Well, there were. I mean, it was my parents and their child.

No. I don't mind uh adults going to things that are are predominantly designed for like kids and families as long as they're like chill about it stuff is designed for adults though too right there's a lot of x but the i think a lot of the areas are very friendly to to adults and then they get a big adult crowd and i think that's only increased you know kids who went to disney i think i think they i think they trade a lot on repeat visits yeah they do yeah disney and they got annual passes for locals and stuff as well right yeah i get i get the impression that it's just a big like you know and those kids do do grow up and

it's like how do you are you saying that once you hit 18 or 21, you can't go to Disney anymore? Like people. No, I don't know. Like when I went to Disney, me and my wife went to Disney when we were like 21 or something. Like she'd never been.

And I'd been as a kid. And she was like, what's it like? You know, like, and I couldn't really explain it. So we went and it wasn't too bad i don't know i'm not saying i have a good reason i'm just saying i'm no i think that would be my knee jerk reaction as well p flex but actually you know they had a really good time they really they said it was a great time and i think that's what it's supposed to be it's like vegas it's geared up for people to have a good time they want people everything's very safe like i was like what

was your i was sort of saying to my brother, you know, what was your first time in America like? And he was like, I don't think we really went to America. We went to Disney. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. We landed at the airport, got like this Disney bus to the thing that was playing the Disney movies.

They took us to the Disney hotel. It was just like, it was like being on a theme park ride from the moment we landed, you know. Yeah, yeah. We didn't get to see, everyone was super nice. You know, they were all like, you know, my brother get to see and everyone was super nice you know they were all like you know my brother's a big guy right he came over this weekend and uh stayed for a couple of nights actually and we we hung out we went to the cinema and we watched um we he wanted to watch well he wanted to watch avatar and i was like all right right so we got there and he was like

fuck i forgot it was like four hours long i was like yeah and he was like can we just watch like a crappy action movie instead okay so we watched a plane with gerard butler which is exactly as it sounds right uh badass ex-army guy is a pilot crashes a plane on an island of terrorists sure of course and you know action just but it was it was like i had a really nice time with brother anyway um but he said to me one of these because he's a big guy one of the things he said to me was that i felt totally at home in america because there were a lot of big guys like me oh yeah right and it's made for like just i don't know just for inclusiveness as well right like it's kind of just it's everyone's super nice to everyone and i think they just had a really nice time you know yeah you're not gonna there's no stress right

like i imagine with a disney holiday apart from like getting into the parks all the time and And I think they just had a really nice time, you know? Yeah, sure. There's no stress, right? No. Like, I imagine with a Disney holiday. Apart from, like, getting into the parks all the time. And apparently, it was very busy. Well, it always is. Some of the places were very, very busy. It always is. It's a very busy place. Dealing with the crowds and, like, making sure you actually...

Because they had to, like, sign up to which park they wanted to go to a couple of days or day before. So, they almost, like, had to, like, plan in advance where they were to go. It's a massive place it's like i i mean i went to the one in florida in 92 i must it must have been like 92 the last time i went i was just like uh i was still a kid and i had a younger brother who who was just lapping it up and even back then there was just the magical kingdom the epcot center and uh it was called mgm studios back then but i think it's disney studios now but that's it that's all they had back then and but now there's like the animal safari kingdom and there's like water parks and there's like there's

just a shit ton of stuff there's a lot if you look at google map of the whole resort it's enormous like fuck it's it's incredible like what they've what they've built there it's in a swamp as well it's nuts i know it's it's it's an epic it's obviously you know evolved based on how popular it is and you know sure yeah people keep going well they pre and they keep getting new stuff into it as well right they've got marvel they've got the muppets they've got star wars like all that stuff that they can leverage off of as well to make you know entertainment and stuff so it's it's just uh it's just it's it's non-stop really it's crazy we we were thinking of maybe going to the one in europe this year but we're still

we're still not sure because the baby's still so small you know like it's kind of hard yeah if you wait a few years she'll be old enough to really yeah it's just it's it's mostly just like because it's in France, the accommodation and then the food situation over there is not always amazing either. Especially because we're vegetarians and so on and so forth. They frown upon that. They do frown. They do frown, yeah. It's not too bad. It's probably a bit better now.

You're all right with the cheese. Yeah. better now but you're right with the cheese yeah it's just um when you're at the resort you're you're kind of isolated from anywhere decent that you could go and and and and get stuff that you need right like i remember last time we were there one night i just had crippling heartburn like it was unbelievable i went down to the desk and i was like is there anywhere here that i can get anything like like any sort of like uh antacids or anything like that and they're just like no there's nothing like that there's no pharmacy we'd have to send somebody away like to the town to pick up a prescription or something if you had a prescription but like

there's nothing like that so i was just just had to suffer with crippling heartburn like all night so there's just nothing i could do and even the next day we would have had to take a train away from like the the disney resort like into into a town or something to to just be able to get anything you know what i mean so you ate too much too many jelly rolls well it's the food is just it looks neat because you're you're going around it's like wow look at all this like these themed restaurants and stuff but they basically just serve mcdonald's like i'll have another crate please you go to this like you you go to like uh you know the parts of the caribbean cafe and it's all themed up and there's little animatronic pirates greeting you and stuff but all the food is just mcdonald's like it's the same food everywhere in the park yeah but it's just

different yeah yeah well as i get older though the medicine bag i bring with me on holiday seems to grow and grow yeah um i will say your lotions and your potions yeah i mean like well what if i get this oh man but what if this what you know and so yeah we should have like a bit of a traveling pharmacy you gotta have because the the diarrhea pills in the world right like you wake up at 3 a.m in a fucking hotel somewhere and you're like oh god i feel like shit yeah i know gotta get the imodium going and you gotta you gotta combo the imodium with the metamucil and see what happens and god it's an experimental time when you're on vacation too right you just yeah you're mixing and you just

don't care right you're just like you're not at home you're not really that comfortable you just gotta you just gotta try a couple of combos out and see what works usually nothing works do you guys want to talk about ufos yeah yeah sure we don't have to actually yeah sure no no well we just we just want to be polite things with the with triforce right as as you guys know, the conversations just flow very naturally. Yeah, that was not a natural flow. No, no, because you didn't even provide any sort of segue. You just came in and said, would you like to talk about something totally different? Yeah, exactly.

Would you like to, like, move on? Well, so, no, just to round that off. Never travel. My parents sent me all these great pictures of being at Disney and they had a great time. But they were all like, did I tell you this? They were all augmented reality because some of the days it was raining. Right. And, you know, they had their umbrellas.

And so they were like these, you were able, I guess it's the COVID thing. If you didn't meet Mickey Mouse, you're able to just get a picture with him or something. I think I've talked about this before. What a great memory. I remember that time they bamboozled me into thinking I met Mickey, but I didn't actually and it was augmented

reality. I'll never forget that. That's right. That's what it's all about. Go on. Dinosaurs. UFOs. Brain. It's funny you say that because there is actually quite a strong piece of evidence that the dinosaurs left on UFOs in the brain well it's funny you say that because there is actually quite a strong piece of evidence that the

dinosaurs left on UFOs so nice segue Lewis no I watched a video that guy Johnny Harris he's like an

online he does YouTube vids I've never heard of him you don't know Johnny Harris no

what about Stephen Smith oh okay I recognise this guy from I was just trying to think of really generic names Johnny Harris is like Harris? No. What about Stephen Smith? Oh, okay. I recognize this guy from... I was just trying to think of really generic names. Did he used to work for Vice or Vox or someone?

I think so, yeah. So he does his own YouTube content now and some of them are really good. He did one about why the milkshake machine is always broken at McDonald's, but not at Wendy's or the other places or whatever. And that's a really good bit actually there's a website that actually tracks which yes there is he talks about that in the vid oh does he yeah so that's a good video so there i think it was about 2004 2005 the u.s navy off the coast of california started spotting these weird flying objects that they couldn't explain right and they traveled much quicker than was possible. And they sort of turned on a dime, like in ways that were inconceivable.

And the Navy pilots were kind of loathe to report it because you look like a nut, but you can look this up yourself. You can watch the vid as well. The footage was made public of them catching these things on their infrared cameras and all the rest of it. Some of it is explained fairly simply.

Some of it is not. Most of the simple explanations that it's birds? No, no. It's one of the things- It's like crumbs on the radar screen or radar scope. It's not crumbs. I think one of the big things is that they'll say, wow, look how fast that thing's going. But there's like, when you're looking through these infrared cameras and all the rest of it um it's not really showing you reality and with further analysis actually

these things aren't traveling as fast as they thought but some of them are so it's a bit weird but um this footage is is real it's released by the american um military by the navy the u.s navy right and these are like proper pilots and it's being analyzed by real people. And like the Senate or Congress, whichever fucking what it is, has said, yes, we should look into this. And the Pentagon has formed a new division to examine these things. They call them UAPs, unexplained aerial phenomena. And the big thing is that it could actually just be some weird technological breakthrough of some new drone that china or someone is flying in american airspace just to test them out or it could even be a u.s project that is so secret that no one knows about everything which didn't really strike me as likely because they've been

caught on camera a bunch of times you know airspace is something that's fairly monitored and locked down and stuff too right like a private company couldn't just be testing something that flew without needing it's clearly not a private company a million permits and stuff too, right? Like a private company couldn't just be testing something that flew without needing- No, it's clearly not a private company. A million permits and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, these things that they've got, radar logs of them and all this kind of-

It is an interesting thing to dive down. But as he points out, don't go too deep because there's a lot of people that have gone overboard and like, they're here, you know, and all that kind of crap. I don't think they're aliens. I think the most likely explanation is that they're drones some classy new kind of drone and they just haven't figured it out you know how to how to study them yet or they haven't really got a handle on on um on how to capture these things in a way that

that you like to give you an example one of them they're like wow look at that thing go and it looks like it's moving incredibly fast on the infrared camera, but it's actually not. It just looks like it because the infrared camera, you'll have to watch the video. It's a bit weird. Either way, it got me thinking if aliens did turn up, right, let's imagine that they did turn up. What are the chances you think that they'd be benevolent or that they would be here to take over? What do you reckon? I think I feel like imagine the most utterly disappointing scenario possible that's what's going to happen so you reckon that i mean i think the most disappointing either way yeah would be that they turn up and go there's nothing here for us and leave

like that would be like they actually make first contact and they say, hi, we're from the planet Omicron, Omicron Cygni 17. We've been studying you guys for about 50 years now and we've decided you're not very interesting and we're going to leave and you won't hear from us again. And there's no one else. It's just us and you and the galaxy and you're very boring. So we're leaving would be i think the worst result in a way to know that they're out there to have met them and for them to just be so bored by us that they ghost us they essentially pretty much yeah imagine you made contact with them and you're like oh my god and then they just turned around to you and they said yeah we've been monitoring for you guys for a long time you're idiots we don't want anything to do with you you have nothing for you have nothing of any sort of value whatsoever we don't even want to waste our anal probes on you yeah

we we've got a ton of spare probes we got we got a whole stockpile of probes here revved up and raring and ready to go but you guys just aren't worth it yeah i think that's what's gonna actually happen i think there's so many people that are just so fucking crazy about all this stuff and uh i don't know i feel like i feel like time and time again the more hyped up and crazy people go about stuff uh the more just utterly disappointed they are with exactly the reality of the situation so the third way the other way it could go sorry is um that they decide to conquer us now my problem with that is and and i think I think Stephen Hawking and a few people have said that we should be very scared of aliens turn up.

Because when we, in Europe, went to places that were less technologically advanced, like the United States and South America and places like that, and Africa, we just conquered them. And basically got rid of them and nicked their land. And so the idea is that the aliens would conquer us and nick all our stuff and enslave us or just wipe us out. Right. So I don't know why they would bother doing that. No.

Because if they can travel through the entire galaxy, it's not light. Resources are hard to come by. You know what I mean? They don't need to struggle to find resources. No, true. They've got the entire galaxy. There's a lot of gas out there.

We need your water. It's like, you can get fucking water on the moon, son. Like, you can get water all over the place. It's a lot of gas out there we need your water it's like you can get fucking water on the moon son like you can get water all over the place it's not hard to get yeah and minerals and and uh metals and all that kind of stuff they they're probably depending on how technologically advanced they are it's probably easier for them to find it elsewhere than on earth right in an asteroid but you don't even need to. They'd have to set up a quarry and a mining operation, and they would probably unionize. It's a whole headache, right?

It's a whole problem. So they could just mine the asteroid belt. Also, anything they get, they're going to have to schlep it all the way back to their home planet or some other planet. That's going to be a hell of a journey. So I don't think they'd bother conquering us. No. So the third option is they turn up.

Well, it's not worth it. It's worth it it's a massive hassle it's more it's more energy to get it back than it would be to manufacture it out of energy at their end okay but listen here's a question for you let's say we did make contact with an alien race and let's say they were interested in opening up some form of negotiation with us or you know they were about to enslave us but they just wanted to talk to somebody to see if we could convince them who do you think who is uh on earth and alive right now would be the best person to be our ambassador to to the aliens paul blart Mall Cop. Right, okay. What about you, Lewis? Who do you think?

God, I don't know. Like, who's the, what was it, Brian Cox, shall we? Professor Brian Cox. I know a lot about space. Yeah. Send Brian up. He could just, I think you need someone, I don't know, you know. Go on, pick a representative of humanity where somebody

who's probably really good with international affairs that could then apply that to intergalactic affairs because that's what we'd be dealing with we don't have anyone first of their kind well no but you've got anyone but so you have to find somebody who has a somewhat similar skill set to begin with and then so here's the problem but Of course it is an action hero, just in case they need to fight their way off. How hard would it be? They need some ex-military background. Go on. We would have to agree as a species on one thing for the first time that we need to pick

a person who represents the entire planet. Yeah. It's impossible. That's how they could paralyze the entire planet. By saying, choose one person and we're going to deal with them. You've got 30 days. We'd just annihilate ourselves rather than pick somebody. That's how you'd start the war. The third world war, guaranteed. There would be a big ego thing. Yeah. Because it would be like, no country's going to accept them sending... You're going to have to pick someone from a country that nobody really cares about. Yeah, because it would be like no country's going to accept them sending, like, you're going to have to pick someone

from a country that nobody really cares about. Yeah. And nobody has a beef with. You're going to have to pick someone from Switzerland. If America sent, like, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, then France would turn around and be like, no, no, no, we want to send Gérard Depardieu. Gérard Depardieu has to go.

Or perhaps Kylian Mbappé is a footballer. We could send him. Or a footballer. We could send him. Or a Temechev. We could send one of our Menechevs. Wolfgang Peck. Is he German or French? I cannot remember. Send him. He would just insult the inset would cause a diplomatic incident immediately.

Those guys, they have no filter. They just tell it like it is. I mean, if you put it to a public vote, I think it would get trolled extremely quickly yeah um we'd send gaza yeah it's like a reality show a bit of chicken in a fucking fishing pool i watched a documentary on gaza recently because i i know of him but i didn't know a tremendous amount about him right and uh i mean it's interesting there isn't that much to know i don't think he was he was our best generational surprise of a football we could fill a whole documentary i i think aliens right the

thing is aliens on earth to me is like a little bit like believing in ghosts right it's just so when you actually start unpicking it and the the ramifications of what that means it's like all right so aliens are just kind of here to fly around real fast the thing with ghosts as well is it's it's a it a lot of a lot of these beliefs are like in in in a lot of ways just sort of self-serving right we'll believe in ghosts because we need closure on something or or whatever right like we need to know like how something happened or we want to say one final goodbye or, you know, we need to know like what happened.

There's always something around ghosts. It implies an afterlife, which is quite reassuring, right? I suppose, yeah. But even with aliens as well, I think that it's almost, it's not the exact same thing, but I think people who tend to believe in in aliens i'm sure there are aliens out there i'm not saying that they don't exist

but i think stereotypically the way that we think about them and believe uh in them and stuff is is sort of like it's it's almost like an escapism right we feel like we're gonna be kidnapped in the middle of the night and taken on a ufo and then whisked away from the earth and anally probed and all this like other weird stuff that tends to be the the sort of stereotypical ufo stuff but it i don't know a lot of this stuff just just seems like the root of it just seems like self-serving right it's it's not absolutely right i think that the people but we are the kings of jumping to conclusions right the humanity is very much we'll believe what we want to to make ourselves feel better about just about anything right like but we we have a habit of like trying to link things together

you know you're like oh okay these i'm hearing a rattling of chains and i'm hearing a clonking at this time and this guy died at this time so it must be yeah it must be my uncle and uh where did he leave the keys to his chevy oh uncle let's do a seance and ask him you know it's it's all shit like that it seems like scamming too right like we're the kings of like the the like seeing what we want to see and also our brains are pretty bad and you know our memories are so fragile in a sense you know people and also how much how easily you can influence other people's brains you know with with memory we talked about this before but but i mean when it comes to aliens i think that it falls apart but also when you look at people's experiences with

aliens it's very heavily based on media right yes and and and media has explored aliens in a very accessible way for idiots right i.e most aliens at least initially on tv were uh human-like okay they were four four appendages and they walked around upright and they were quite skinny and they had eyes in their hair and they were smoking doobies realistically the this this this these rules that we've established for what is um alien right is is unlikely to be any similarity at all there's you know they could be eight-legged or 16-legged or no leg yeah they could be massive or tiny they could have no eyes like different eyes they might just be like everything about us from obviously just from from our physical appearances is entirely based on our planet right the way we

see light the way we hear sound um the way we we do everything is is based on earth right and if life evolved on a similar planet maybe they are similar maybe life can only evolve on similar planets and so maybe they are similar but it just feels to me like it's very naive to think that aliens would behave like us or think like us and in a sense like even like unless they had gone through some very similar pattern where they had conquered previous inferior races on their planet and learned that that was wrong i think that we would have trouble going i I mean, not that they're aliens, so they're not like us, but if we went to another planet, we would feel bad, surely, about enslaving them all, right?

There would be some hesitation there, unless we were so, unless they were literally microbes, right? And we were like, oh, they're just microbes. Let's enslave them. So you've got to think, like, at what scale does that mean? You know, is it just size? You know, what if they're microbial and they see us as just, you know, slow lumbering mountains? You know, I think that alien life is inherently alien.

And I think that media does a bad job often of exploring it because they want a human actor to fucking act as that alien. And so it has to be accessible to the viewer. So, I mean, there have been quite a few aliens throughout the history of sort of alien movies. There was a movie called Life with Jake Gyllenhaal, where the alien is basically like a tiny plant, almost, like blob thing. What about Cocoon? Remember that one?

Yeah, Cocoon, exactly. Well, they were humanoid, the aliens. I think it's definitely a more recent phenomenon right with with things like arrival and exploring kind of was more of like a like a uh like a fact-finding mission it's more like a splat of a human wasn't he really he was like a little it was vaguely human it was like a fucked up human i mean okay oh listen i got another scenario for you okay so. So an alien lands much like E.T. is unfamiliar with the world. Okay. And every generation, like we've seen in E.T. in the 80s, the kids of the 80s had to try to explain to E.T. certain things. What do you think if an alien landed today and you were in charge of explaining to them things that they might come across in the modern day right what things would you struggle with like awkwardly to explain the first thing that comes to my mind is uh step

sister porn like trying to explain that i think dabbing explaining dabbing would be difficult um the the nature of fads people doing gestures because everybody else is doing them um yo-yos very hard to explain yo-yos i think to aliens um i don't know i think yo-yos is pretty straightforward though because it's like one of those things to me i'm an alien people okay what is this device just a rolling device on a string that's that's meant for fun what just try it fun what just roll it what i cannot do it with the string oh this i figured it out there's nothing to them that's the thing we will now destroy your world you've angered them with yo-yos well done think of something else they're not going to get angry by yo-yos they're more and more likely to get angry by the dabbing or something else instead

i would i would have thought no before yo- no before certainly none of our technology would be new to them but if they if they had got as far as we have and and further obviously they would have i think had to go through very similar um evolution because the key to life sort of persisting is that it wins a contest of some kind either against others of its own kind or its environment right it's a contest-based kind, either against others of its own kind or its environment, right? It's a contest-based evolutionary system. And it's not a competition in the same way that it's like, you know, you're not playing football and whoever wins, wins. I'm just saying you either out-compete your neighbors, not even in a conscious way, but because you are, you have the longer neck and you can reach the higher leaves, that kind of thing. So

in that way, they would have had to evolve in a similar kind of way and equally you would have to be defensive of your own life and the life of your offspring because without those things essentially i suppose they could be like fish and just lay eggs and then fuck off but then well this is it but then you don't get a society that's the thing if they just i think if aliens were here i think i would be so embarrassed about the the planet generally the state of our planet would be pretty embarrassing um well not yeah like i think so like just how naive we are with regards towards i i feel like humanity the human race generally and this is something partly throughout history too, has just been this kind of disgusting moss growing across the planet, right? This kind of plague with pockets of enlightenment

amongst the sky. Are you saying what I think you're saying? What? Human beings are a virus. Are you agent smithing humanity right now you're just i think like i think like the thing is we we we we obviously advance okay and we have this idea of nobility and higher power and liberty and equality and fraternity and freedom and these pockets of of progress you know do drive us forward and the vast majority of people are good but i think like there's so many pockets of like even like ufo believers and and ghost believers and religious nutcases and you know all of the people who are persecuted across

the world we we have so much to improve upon right we have so much so far to go and i think i don't i wonder whether we're ever gonna get there because there's always a new generation of kids like i was thinking about this the other day as well, Sips. Like, what is the deal with step-sister porn? Where does that come from? Back in the day, that was, I saw that as incest. And so is it the taboo thing? Well, back in the day, I mean, when you found a VHS tape in your friend's dad's basement or whatever,

it was always just like, you know, a guy- A man with a mustache having sex with a lady who still has her socks on. A lady fucking her tennis instructor or karate sensei or something, you know? It was very simple stuff. It wasn't- So I think there's either two things, okay?

One, I think it's just the taboo, right? The idea that it's kind of incest, but it's okay. I actually have the answer for this. Here's my second option. All right. That much like everything on the internet, kids or teens run it, and then everyone else picks up the trend afterwards, right? When you look at the most downloaded apps on phones, which we all have as adults uh is entirely kids

stuff it's like barbie friend finder and dress my doll and you know these are like the number two and three things that's insulting to uh to me and the many other adults who find solace every day in barbie friend finder but it's it's like it's like jeremy like that they are all all these the tiktok is obviously huge and it's used by kids right it really is and and obviously adults use it too but i think they use it all in spite of you know because it's popular they don't realize it's kids that make it popular like like like all these adults that play fortnite i'm like you play fortnite because the kids made that trend right and they made it popular it's popular because the kids are playing not because adults are playing it.

No adults made Fortnite popular. No. That's what I'm saying. It was popular with kids beforehand. Some were in the scene making it popular at the time. And they're popular because they're watched by kids. Don't get me wrong. Yes, yes.

But I mean, what I'm saying is that I wonder whether, we know how much kids rule the world. There's always new kids. There's always new idiots. There's new fools. There's new, and they click on ads more. They drive things more. They're always stupid.

I wonder, as humanity, we're always going to have this lowest common denominator shit coming through because kids drive everything. They drive the algorithms. They drive all of it. But kids... We're driven by idiots.

We're like in a car piloted by idiots. We're not. Kids are very hard to please. You have to get it just right. You have to get quite lucky, I think, for something to succeed. And the popularity of a thing, you can't force that. You said kids have good taste. I'm saying that they're very choosy.

Yeah, I'm not saying that their taste isn't necessarily good, but they're definitely looking for something. It's not just put any old thing in front of them and they'll like it. They are picky. You only have to look at toy manufacturers, the number of toys they produce every year that do fucking nothing and die on their ass. And the ones that succeed just somehow tap into something. Yeah, but I don't think those fucking ones that succeed are somehow genius

and that it's pushing the boundaries of evolution. Well, normally the aliens are not going to turn up and go these children are very discerning it's not the job of children to evolve society the things that they like first of all is fortnight doing anything for the planet no it just happens to be what's popular you're picking a bad example like i think like i think well there's nothing else that i can get wu-tang skins in so um there's it's got that going for it at least right no i'm just saying like i i wonder how much impact they how much humanity is going to be limited by the fact that we have this ignorant period where we're always going to be stupid we're always going to fumble and make mistakes and and and be shit you know

and these these things like religion and negative ideas are going to come through again and again because we can't get over this hump of you know are we always going to have shit politicians are we always going to have shit adults are we always going to have shit yeah people because we are yeah because we always have done and we always will do because shit people don't train up new you know shit teachers make shit kids make shit people i don't know like here's the thing i've got two theories about everything that you've just said and i'd like to express them if i'm okay it's your turn sorry the first one about oh step bro what are you doing? That kind of porn. Why is that popular now? And you're like, oh, it's the kids driving

and young people watching porn. So I was thinking, first of all, why now is this suddenly popular? And obviously the internet is going to jump on trends. And if there's one successful Stepbro porn movie, I'm sure all the other porn makers out there are noticing that and copying it. That's true.

However, bear in mind mind divorce rates peaked peaked in like the late 90s and early 2000s they have declined a little bit you suddenly got lots of people growing up with step siblings far more than previously ah so you think there's a correlation there yes because of course what do you covet you cover what you see every day as as hannibal lecter us, right? So you have this stepsister, she's hot, and in your mind, it's not really incest, because we're not related by blood. She's my stepsister. So my mum had me, and my stepdad has a daughter from a different relationship. Is that really incest that's the justification so if you're a i get that i get the technicalities but i guess it's the situations that this that comes that the fantasy comes out of or whatever right i'm i'm not quantifying i'm not justifying at all i'm just explaining how i bet you it's not just one reason as well it's probably 10 reasons right but i think there has to be a factor and especially if you look at the the the age of people that watch the most porn is 18 to 29 or 30 to 39 so people 40 and under so in

other words that generation that grew up with divorces and step siblings being commonplace and now we have the rise of of step porn so i'm just wondering if that might be a factor your thing about how we don't have any good politicians and we're shit, I think, first of all, I agree. But the reason for that, I think if you look at the advances that we made, I'm not talking scientifically, I'm talking as societies

moving like great philosophers, great thinkers, people we still look at now as being incredible people that changed history for the good and sometimes for the ill the first world war in the second world war killed off so many brilliant people who were leaders who

were smart who were driven yeah progressives amazing people yeah died in that war so if we were playing a video game and one of the measures of your success as a planet imagine you're managing planet earth you have this this gene pool of brilliant people a fuckload of those got killed you just got set back like a hundred turns so i think that we have fucked ourselves by having the most destructive century imaginable and that was the 20th century and we fucked everything up and now we're reaping the terrible terrible terrible rewards of a shithole century where like 90 million 100 million people easy died in in wars and these would have

been like the best people especially the first world war no no no you had yes absolutely absolutely they would have been the leaders the politicians the artists the writers the scientists they're the business leaders of that next generation well and then we waited 30 years and we did it again so we right stamped out any chance of success yeah this is why we have these old folks on all these fucking idiots running things that don't know what they're doing because where did they come from they just went to a fancy school and their parents were fucking cowards they didn't even have the decency to go over the top and die in world war one the the brave leaders all said follow me chaps we'll be fine and died and the oh i see we selectively bred out we anti evolution we anti-evolution does all the courageous people went to war and died so we were left with

the pussies all the guys that pretended they had a bad leg and stayed home that's what we've got them and their and their lousy offspring you know that that's it that's where we are so all our leaders i like that actually i i like that because i was i always joke about how you know we brits had this huge empire right and so anyone who was adventurous went off to some distant fucking part of the empire. And I'm descended from the cowards who stayed at home and did the washing. That's why we all suck nowadays. That's it.

I don't mean it. I'm only messing, right? I'm only sort of footballing. But I guess my feeling is like I'm so unhappy with things. History seems to repeat, right? And we've had bad leaders throughout history and good leaders too throughout history, but we always seem to still find people who are,

even in the eyes of modern society, terrible role models. And when you look at Donald Trump, for example, like there's tons of other examples of politicians in charge over the world, or just leaders of companies, leaders of even leaders of even people, we,

you know, the creators of our media, like Justin Roiland, right? Who really should know better. world or or just leaders of companies leaders of even leaders of even people we you know lead out the creators of our media like justin roiland right who really should know better like the president of the united states supposed to be a role model you know a guy who has a trophy wife and gropes people in the pussy like do you mean any kind of it normalizes like being gross being being awful and it's always like and it feels like people are getting away with it and not being called on it for what it should be. So I guess I'm a fan of, am I a fan of cancel culture now? But I think like anyone who's got a brain cell keeps their disgusting opinions to themselves, right? And so they die with them and that's fine. I guess I'm scared that we only know about the awful people who are stupid enough to out themselves as awful, right? There's a lot of awful people who are probably smart enough to keep their awfulness out of and teaching other people like Andrew Tate, teaching other people that being awful is the way to be.

You know, it's the way to get ahead or like acting as some sort of educator for awfulness. And I think that, you know, if you die with your views intact in your head, you're not hurting anyone, right? True. So does it matter is's what i'm saying i think i think it's always been the feeling that we should um have these terrible opinions out there and essentially they're so shitty um that they'll defeat themselves that essentially we will confront them and say well this is clearly ridiculous and people will just go yes you're right and they won't believe it but instead it turns out that if you give a platform

to people like Andrew Tate, people don't listen to him and say, what a load of bollocks and laugh at him. An awful lot of them go, yeah, and buy his merch. So it's a tricky one. It is tricky. And I think it's us underestimating, or sorry, overestimating the average person, right? I think a lot of the time, you're right.

I think people think people won't buy that. That's a load of obvious rubbish. You can never underestimate the public or whatever. There's this classic saying that, you know, I mean, not that we have the fucking hottest, the coolest takes ever. No, but our takes, I would hope, are not. Well, of course.

I hope we're not advocating shitty behavior no but we're i think that a lot of people listen to this podcast and and frustratedly feel feel like they want to jump in and say you guys are wrong we probably are a lot of the time and we change our opinions and we're that's what the mailbag's for for you to rant at us and yeah for us to either choose to ignore them or filter them for a week afterwards i do want to learn i do want to be better and i guess like my my opinions aren't i haven't written them all down and on a stone tablet like aristotle and really come up with any good ways to say them they're just like my stupid trying to ways to understand this planet and why things are like it is and i think

that why why i would feel embarrassed about aliens coming down and being like sorry guys just don't look at this bit i mean they would look around and say let me get this straight you guys still just have like separate countries and you're all fighting with each other and you know you've definitely got enough to go around and you're just keeping it for just a few people, you'd be like, well, yeah, because that's fair, isn't it? And they'd be like, okay, what about this environment thing? Because this is your only planet, right? Like, yeah. Like, how's that go?

And it's like, well, you know, there's money to be made and it is a complicated issue. But okay, what is this money stuff? You're still fanning around with money. Well, yeah, because it's not fair otherwise. But what if only a few people have all of it? Well mean they they they deserve it okay all right we're gonna go back to our planet uh good luck and maybe we'll see you in a thousand years we'll come back but even then i feel like they'd come back and it'd be the same like a thousand years sure there'll be nothing left don't get a lot of change oh there'll be'll be nothing left to do. Yeah, they come back. You got how many nuclear submarines?

Good Lord. Yes. Wow. That's quite a lot. We're just going to back off a little bit. That's like a Tinder box you've got going there. I've got an update. This is hot off the press.

Somebody's just let me know this. What is this, from a mailbag thing? This is not mailbag. This is live, coming to you live from social media. I have an update. Holy crap, holy. It's a reference to an episode, I would say, must be, could be 100 episodes back, perhaps less. Right. Mary Kondo has quit.

No! Yeah, she is going to tidy no more. Well, she's like you, Sips. It didn't spark enough joy for her. No, no, no, she's like you. She's got like three kids. Oh. And she cannot possibly keep it clean and have a career so the picture this is on in variety she must have made enough

money to have her own space though like maybe a small space that she can retreat to and in of an evening play some wow by herself or something for maybe what sparks joy in children is not the same as what sparks joy in middle-aged women what sparks joy in children is making a fucking mess all the time imagine exactly you're mary condo you're not just an average parent when it comes to tidying up you are the mary condo of tidying up and now i don't know how many kids she has if she's even with two she's got three she's got three she's like my house is messy is what she said yes because you have three children mary condo and or marie condo and now you need to try to maintain a condo level of tidiness not just a human level a marie condo level of tidiness with three kids and do the whole

parenting it's not it's not it's honestly it's not possible yeah i think she's at this point she said you know what i could just imagine one moment just snapped she picked up the same piece of lego from the same fucking bit of the floor for the 17th day in a row and she's like that's it i'm done with the tidying up i don't give a i'm a recon don't give a fuck anymore i'm out yeah i think it's probably more more so she woke up in the morning she's like okay I'm at the point now where I just simply must do one thing like I'm just gonna tidy this one drawer today and that'll make me feel better and she said that at six o'clock in the morning and it's now seven o'clock at night and she still hasn't done it and that that's the shit that chips away at you right like

you it's just like one simple thing you can't even do because you're just bulldozed the rest of the day by requests and more requests. I really need to tidy up my office. I have like, I have such a lot of mess in my office. And partly because board games and Warhammer and stuff takes up so much space. But like, it's just a tip always and i feel bad about it all the time i'm gonna marry condo my office this week okay that's my i will i will say that i will but i won't no i won't either happen i won't even say that i will either i've just i just won't do it present this week i want to talk about my present i got this forbidden planet which

is my favorite comic shop in london uh heard on the podcast that I was a big Judge Dredd fan, and they sent me, I tweeted a picture of it. It's an A1. It's literally an A1-sized comic book. Hardback, Judge Dredd, signed by... A1? It's fucking huge, dude. A1 is like the mega floppy...

Yes, it's huge. It's huge. It's absolutely huge. It's massive. Maybe it's A2, I don't know. It's big. Oh. It's big.

I mean, A1 is really big. So it's the length of my arm. Okay? It's a big, big, big comic book signed by legendary Judge Dredd artist Brian Boland. It's my pride and joy of my comic collection.

Instantly. And they just sent it to me. So I just want to say thank you to them. It is... I am so fucking happy. Nice. I couldn't believe it when I got it. Are you going to stick it on the wall?

Well, no, it's just sitting on my floor because I'm like, where the fuck do I put this? It's so big. So I don't know what to do. Well, you're going to have to clear some wall space, get it framed. There is that. I mean, I could get it framed,

but then you can't look inside it. So that kind of defeats the point of a comic, doesn't it? Oh, I'm thinking it was a post in my brain. No, it's a huge book. Are you going to have to like, you're going to have to get a bigger house. I mean, I wish. We do talk about that because obviously living in London, the house we've got, we've got three bedrooms and my office, right?

Which for a London house is, that's decent, right? Yeah. I mean, we had to get the loft converted and all the rest of it, which, and we were all, you know, it's pretty squeezed in. Did you guys convert the loft yourself? Yeah, we did. Yeah. And we had to get the loft convert and all the rest of it, which, and we were all, you know, it's pretty squeezed in. Did you guys convert the loft yourself? Yeah, we did. Yeah. What, like, did you get somebody in to do it or did you do it? Yes, of course. I mean, no, I didn't do it.

Jeez, that's why I'm up here now. Right. How long did it take you to get it done? We were here, we bought this place in the early 2000s. And then when we were, when Mrs. F was pregnant with our eldest, we were like, we're going to need more fucking space. And we'd spoken before about getting the loft converted. My brother-in-law used to live with us. We bought the house together because none of us could afford to buy a house on our own. So he had one room and me and Mrs. have had the other. But then of course, where does the

baby go? So we got the loft converted, two new bedrooms, which was massive, but they had to completely move the staircase. They had to put new steels in to support everything it was a good eight weeks of work um i mean it was a full crew of lads working like all day every day yeah mrs mrs f um actually they didn't start until the summer so i stayed up here in london working and mrs f um had the baby in late apr April and went down and basically stayed with either my mom or her parents down in Bournemouth. And I would zip down after work sometime because I finished work at like midnight, 1am. I would come down, spend a few days with them and then come back up here and keep an eye on things and be in the house and work.

So I lived in like this bombed out house, like no part of it was livable. Whichever room they'd finished, I lived in that room. So I just slept wherever I could. I just dragged a mattress around and fucking slept on that. The sort of thing that I would never do now. But when I was 33, it didn't feel like a big deal. So that's, we had it done. Sounds like the last of us.

It was rough. It was very last of us. Yeah. But then we had the kitchen redone a few years after that because it was tiny and shit and there was like a side return on the house which is like a chunk cut out of the house just for no fucking reason so we filled all that in that was a huge fucking project and that took about two and a half months so the whole downstairs was unlivable for that time so we finally got to the point now where there's no more big work to do on the house and yet and yet it's like shit we could

do with some more space there's always something you can do on a house though but the kids are getting older yeah i mean my eldest is going to be 14 this year jesus she's gonna be i know so it's not gonna be that much longer before they can kiss off the uni and all the rest i know but i mean the thing is when she goes to university she'll need somewhere to come back to because i don't know if you've seen the price of housing and stuff now but uh oh of course this this generation are so utterly fucked it's unbelievable yeah that's another thing we'll have to explain to the aliens they'll be like oh so you value your young do you just as we do on omicron per se we do everything we can to it's like yes that's exactly what we do oh geez it's terrifying we love having the back

i think it's very i talk to a lot of people like i'm sure sips is in the same boat when he's streaming a lot of the people that watch are like young yeah um and and they're always like period do you have any advice for like i'm i've just finished university what the fuck do i do and i was like well first of all don't ask me ask someone who knows what they're doing yeah i didn't know what the fuck i was doing but i said don't worry don't be thinking i've got to have a career straight out of the game i don't think anybody knows what they're doing at that point in their life like it when when you finish school you're not even thinking about what

you're doing after school most of the time while you're at school right right just getting through school hanging out with your friends going to parties or doing whatever it is that you do during school and not really taking it that seriously or thinking too hard about what's going to come after and then um when when after does come you just kind of figure it out sort of but so but i think the misconception is that a lot of people think that once they're done school they're gonna land a job and that's gonna be their job for the rest of their life until they retire it's gonna be like their career or whatever but like life just does not work like that you might do something for a year and hate it and then just do something completely different. Something completely unrelated to what you went to even to school for or anything.

You don't know. Like you have to live life to get out there and figure out what you're going to do. I couldn't agree more. However, however, the problem is we're also telling these same kids, good luck ever buying a fucking house. Well, yeah, there is that. kids, good luck ever buying a fucking house. Well, yeah, there is that. Like ever. I mean, good luck even being able to afford getting out of your parents' house and just

renting somewhere without having to share with a bunch of people. So I think the problem is saying to them that, I mean, our experience was very similar in that we both basically did programming at a company we didn't like, and then went and did something else and both got lucky and going into like all this stuff. Yeah. And I mean,wis as well even more so i think went from yeah i don't think you were miserable lewis were you and what you were doing but you just kind of got into this other thing and i i think what happened that's for me

i don't know what happened for everyone else but i think when i came out of school i've i was very out of uni of chemistry uni i was very disillusioned with chemistry i was kind of sick of it i felt like i've wasted a lot of time i i by the of my third year, I was very depressed. And I was like, God, I'm just going to finish off this whole fourth year. And I spent the whole year pretty miserable living on my own, not having many friends, came out to live with my parents. I didn't even go back to uni to graduate. I was not in a very good place mentally. And I felt like I had gone into a couple of jobs and every time it was almost like dating where I was like, oh, this will be nice. They look nice on the surface. They're friendly. They're cool. They're interesting. And then you get there and you find out that you hate

it and you hate everyone and you hate everything. And you're like disillusioned because, and even if you find something that you quite like, very quickly you're working for someone else, right? This is a common thing with work. And it's like like i'm just i i want to throw myself into this like i think this is why they hire these young staffers at like the white house and and uh newspapers and things it's because they're super keen passionate they've got cutting edge knowledge of like the late they've just come out of school you know going back to school some people talk about doing that just to refresh their fucking knowledge of like what's going on because it's because you get so out of date when you're when you haven't been in school for 15 20 years right

and also you get so stuck in the ways and limited in the ways that companies do things or force you to do things and so what i guess like what i wanted was something i could throw myself into and everything that i found wasn't that um it was just something to pass the day and And it very quickly ground me down and turned me into someone who was trying to do the bare minimum to get by. It just teaches you naturally that that's the way to do it. What's the incentives? I'm not getting paid if I work extra, if I grind extra. And the only benefit is people don't judge me or tell me off or the toxic work environment is what makes me work hard. Like I was very disillusioned very, very quickly. And I started, and I, as soon as I could, I started doing things on the side. Right. And so I had these like freelance writing gigs and then doing other things, you know, off, off my own projects

until I was able to escape from the rat race kind of thing right and i always recommend that to people like you know you should if you if you can find a job that that works for you and it feels good and the people are good and you and you still feel excited to because you do have to have a job really for two reasons one to pay pay bills but two for sanity humanity humans need like something to do and i think a job it's good to have something if you if you're i'm sure it's not very healthy well this is wasn't for me when i was when i had periods of time after uni when i spent six months you know living my parents playing games all day and i didn't feel fulfilled i didn't feel like i was making any progress towards anything i i felt miserable um that was the worst i've ever felt in my life and it wasn't and what actually got me out of that was after

about you know a year or something, I started taking on temp jobs. And I worked at a hospital and I worked at the church and I worked at various places and had this sort of period of a couple of years where I just did different things until I felt better and more comfortable and more in a more of a direction of where I wanted to be, which ended up being doing science writing stuff. But then obviously that changed into making YouTube videos. But that, you know, I didn't know that that would even be a thing. I feel like you may, you may have, you will have to find your own way.

And try and follow your own passion. The advice that we're given is essentially from one generation prior. So have things changed to the point now where if you're 21 i would argue i would argue not like humans feel the same way like like like when i'm sure you know an angsty teen feels the same now as they did in stone age times right like like it can't be that different and and so i'm getting but then again everyone is different and some people feel lost but other people feel like they're super confident and they know everything like I meet some people who are 18 and fully have a better life philosophy. I think they'd just be better educated than I was, or more rounded,

or had better role models or influence from their parents to give them a better grounding in how to navigate this world. I think I had a better one than most but i still really was pretty clueless and fucked it up many times and and had a horrible time in my in my early 20s you know and um and i mean i i think something even i wrestle with sometimes now like like you know some days i don't feel fulfilled some days i like i'm not really loving what i'm doing at the moment i'm not loving this podcast no i'm always excited but do you i like i'm not really loving what i'm doing at the moment i'm not loving this podcast no i'm always excited but do you know i mean i think that it's this is something we talk about all the time as creators because you have to be you have to enjoy it or else you have to be genuine you have

to genuinely like want to do it because if you don't it comes through in the audience um see it right like and if you're unhappy there's no you know i think you have to be you have to have your finger on what is fun we've always tried to talk to try to encourage this like you know chase chase things that make you that make you want to get up in the morning for them. Chase that excitement. Try and chase that things that spark joy. Old Mary Kondo, you know? And people have been through... You're not unique, right? You're not the only person who feels a way, you know, either depressed or miserable or confused or lost. Like, oh, am I the only person on the planet who doesn't know what I want to be? But no, or lost. Like, oh, am I the only person on the planet who doesn't know what I want to be? But no, there's loads of people. And in many ways, for me, YouTubing and the thing I do now didn't exist when I left university. And there was no career in this. And in 10 years time or

five years time, if you're lost now, don't feel like you're going to be lost forever because the world changes quite quickly. I'm not suggesting people become a delivery driver or get involved with the gig economy, but that gig economy thing is so weird and new and crazy that you can get an app that gives you like, oh, there's 350 different jobs you can do now. Of course, you get paid fuck all and you're working for some faceless corporation and it's you know i don't know it's not it's not the best i mean i would say prepare ourselves for the coming of the aliens because they'll have jobs smashing rocks and and carrying water onto the mothership so don't worry too much there's always new stuff the jobs who knows what they're gonna bring yeah like i don't know like

the world's as much as i want to say as much as i keep saying that the world is the same i think partly because i've been reading all these history books and it's like so i guess it maybe it's because they're written by modern people but people and still you know like like the entries in rome and all greece you know and all these drama it's like their drama is more interesting than our drama and that's 2000 years they had better drama than us jeremy yeah um like i mean also just if anybody is interested marie condo has just quit so there's a hole in the market right there you can become a famous title right yeah you might like there's always options every day just keep your eye on the paper if you want to if you want to come up if you want to be the new. Yeah. Right there. Job opening.

I just love the fact because she didn't feel like she was going to be the one to quit. I mean, that doesn't feel very Marie Kondo. She didn't feel like a quitter. One extra baby tipped it. One extra baby. It just goes to show, doesn't it, Sip, what you're going through. One extra baby and everything goes out the window. Oh, man, it is.

It's just one extra baby, but, well, you know what it's like, Flax. You know how much work you have to put into one baby, but then you also know how much work you have to put into a 7-year-old and then also an 11-year-old as well. There's not enough of me for all of these uh people who need uh who need me for things right like uh it's crazy yeah it's crazy yeah it's crazy um best of luck young people out there with uh with things good luck good luck yeah hope it uh we hope this helped and have fun This is inspirational in some ways.

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