Triforce! - Triforce! #253: The ChatGPT Takeover

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

Triforce! Episode 253! Flax has written a poem about his shiny dome, we read a ChatGPT AI Generated version of the Triforce Podcast and we prepare for the AI takeover! Go to http://joinhoney.com/triforce to get PayPal Honey for free. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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available as a mild hybrid inline six turbo or as a plug-in hybrid, crafted to move every part of you. Triforce Podcast, go! Okay, well listen, we were just having a pre-podcast chat about how myself and Lewis both forgot Flax's birthday. After specifically saying that we would remember. Flax downplayed it and said we're just a bunch of guys. I've never done anything for your guy's birthday.

Don't worry about it. And then I had the idea just before we started rolling to say, let's make that change. Let's make that change. Because my birthday is coming up next. Oh, I see. I see. So let's make the change. And then if it doesn't

stick, well, we tried at least for my birthday. Gonna make a change for once in my life. My birthday is on the 5th of June. Okay, 5th of June. I'll put a Google Calendar reminder on that. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah.

I mean, do you know what, Lewis? I've actually had a couple of bits and pieces from you over the years on my actual birthday. So, like, you sent me, like, a Fallout thing one time. And another time you sent me, like, a bunch of, like, sweets and chocolates that my kids all ate and stuff. Like, you actually have sent me stuff on my birthday in the past. Not every year, I should say. Not consistently. Just very much when i knew about it sporadically throughout all the time it's one of those things isn't it

that you have to do with family as well and families sometimes do with me is they'll let me know of the upcoming event in a subtle way and put the so those seeds you know it's like it's like if you want a present you know you can point out oh i really like that um that bracelet there in the uh yeah that's lovely that bracelet i don't know about you guys like i don't really give much of a shit about my birthday though i don't even really care if anybody remembers it or not either like uh it's just it's not a huge it's not a huge thing for me some people it's really important to them, but for me, it's not really. Some people have a birthday week where they shut the fuck up about it and get very angry if you don't do things. And also they do this thing where they're like, but it's my birthday week.

Yeah. It's like, what do you mean? It's like, that doesn't mean that I have to like be your slave for this next whole week. No, that's true. Give me a break. Come on. Like, I'll take. Give me a break. Come on. Fine, I'll take the bins out. Fine. Fine.

Oh my god, what a treat. So your birthday was yesterday, P-Flex. What did you get up to? I played XCOM Long War of the Chosen for 12 hours. That's a great way to spend your birthday, honestly. Oh, is it?

It's getting your dick slammed in a giant book over and over again, is what it feels like. It's like reading in the nude, and there's a risk element, but you're kind of enjoying it. I just had a horrible thought. Oh, God. What, reading? Yeah, reading in the nude and getting a small paper cut on your wangus. Well, imagine using your wangus as a bookmark, and then you slam the book shut.

That's what XCOM Long World of Chosen feels like. This is going right through me. Jesus. I'm sorry, but books and things happening to your Johnson, two of the very greatest fears of Sips. Yeah, I don't want anything happening to my- So I apologize for bringing that up. I don't want anything going near my Johnson.

Well, it's also aliens, you know. What do you mean? Where did this come from? Aliens. You're killing aliens. Yeah, of course. Isn't that the point of the game? Yeah.

No, you're right. I forgot what we were talking about. They're always scary. You lose sight of the overall objective of the game, though. We're old. While dealing with all the squad drama and stuff, right? 15 seconds of you could almost convince yourself that the whole game is about like the love triangle that's formed

between your three best snipers who are all on different teams and stuff like that and forget all about the aliens that need to be purged well i'll tell you what it's uh i've put pretty much everyone in the yox cast in it and a bunch of people I know and viewers and stuff like that. And me and Mrs. F. And we lost Mousy yesterday. She died a hero. Rick and peace. She could die.

Yeah. But you're still going. I don't think Lewis made the cut this time around. I've got a huge character pool and he just randomly selects people from that. And then I rename people if someone doesn't have a character. But Long War of the Chosen is uh incredibly incredibly hard wow and i've been struggling i'm on my fifth restart well what a coincidence so am i so um really oh yeah man i am so horny today i don't know why i just uh oh you're on your fifth restart means something different for you

yeah sometimes it means cup of coffee some people get crazy without my coffee oh my god well listen um i got some i got some good news or maybe it's a bad news i don't know how you guys are going to take this but season 10 of married at first sight australia has started airing on um on e4 and i've been watching it and the next few minutes i i am listening just just you go i'm not gonna go into it i'm just making you aware of where i'm at i'm in a i'm in a like a fairly decent spot at the moment okay listen to this i'm i'm i'm binging on two games that i'm both enjoying very much. One in my spare time and one on stream. I'm watching Married at First Sight Australia.

On Gaps, when that's not on of an evening, I got some Ted Lasso to catch up on. And if I don't have any Ted Lasso to catch up on, I'm going to start watching Race Across the World. You know, the one that's on, I think it's like BBC One or Two. You got interesting this one it takes place in canada so it'll be it'll be really interesting to watch so i got some of that to catch up on as well and uh and then the new season of succession just uh the new and final season of succession just started airing as well i have that to catch up on too so i'm kind

of sorted for like a couple of months at least i think like uh in terms of you know having having everything uh arrayed in my my favor yeah well this is i was gonna say how do you feel about like eastenders right and like soaps in general right i don't mind my my wife watches my wife used to watch a lot of the soaps, but now that we have so many kids, she barely even watches EastEnders, but she still tries to keep up with EastEnders, she still watches it. If it's on, I watch it, I don't mind it. How much is there of it? It's like, is it five episodes a week? Yeah.

I've lost track, I don't know. And then the omnibus, the weekend where they show more. It used to be that there was three a week, and then it went to four, and then during COVID they cut down and stuff. I don't think they've done the omnibus for about ten where they show more. It used to be that there was three a week and then it went to four and then during COVID they cut down and stuff. I don't think they've done the omnibus for about 10 years, P-Flex, but- What? I'm not sure if they do the omnibus anymore. Oh, really?

They stopped it in like 20- Oh, you don't need it because you've got catch up and stuff like that. How many episodes- I'll give you to the nearest hundred, how many episodes have you sent us have there been? Oh, there's been thousands. Thousands and thousands and thousands. Give me a number. I mean, it's been running since the 80s and it's been thousands thousands and thousands and give me a number i mean it's

been running since the 80s and it's been and it's been it's been aired three four times a week sometimes even more depending on what's what's happening i mean i'm not a mathematician it's like 200 a year maybe just guess how many episodes you think 20 years 4,672. That's a lot of episodes East Enders. 6,000. That's a lot of episodes. Well, I mean, it's almost like... How many times do you think the sentence, get out of my pub, has been uttered in those 6,000-ish episodes? Well, I haven't really sat down and watched it.

Do you know what I mean? I've, like much many things that i'm not really that familiar with i've just got my knowledge through osmosis and being alive yeah you know who pat butcher was though it's the same thing with the world cup or pokemon or whatever right i've not really finished a pokemon game but i know a lot of pokemon yeah you know you just have to it happens i've heard of pat butcher yeah yeah i want to know how many times the words janine have been said on east end she's back hey she's been back she's been back for a good long while now she was in it i guess she was in it i think i the the her the height of her notoriety maybe

is now i don't know with the stuff going on now but uh she killed barry you remember that remember she pushed barry down a down a hill or a cliff? Yeah, she married- No, I don't. She married Barry Butcher and then pushed him off a cliff. Good God. I've always been very impressed with the ability to turn around stuff real quick, right? Like the newspapers, right?

How they would basically come in in the morning, write all the articles, get everything together, send it to the guys who would then have to redo the whole thing with typeface. You'd have to set the whole... Back in the day when newspapers were done, they'd have to get the metal plates, you know, and every letter would have to be a metal little... So they'd have to basically...

A guy would have to type the whole thing out, then another guy would have to copy it into metal and then make a print of that, and then do it overnight, and then rush it out for the next morning. It was like, I just, I have, I mean, it's different, I'm sure it's a bit different now, but it's still similar in the sense that you still have to, you've got a day to make the newspaper, right? And you've got a day, effectively, to make an episode of EastEnders, right?

You've got, it doesn't feel like a long time. How far ahead are they on their episodes? They're pretty far ahead ahead i think they're like probably a couple months ahead do you think they're like us when it comes to pre-recording stuff yeah they're like yeah they're like well we better get some in the in the in the can actually i reckon they're they're i reckon they're two weeks ahead at all times they must be yeah i i said months but i i'm not sure if it is months because i know there's times where in the past, I mean, I don't watch the show. Yeah, they have done it live. That's what I was just going to say. I don't watch it often, but there has been a handful of times where they've had live episodes,

which are kind of interesting to watch because the actors are pretty good. This gives me like real anxiety. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, imagine if you're running out of episodes, you're like, fuck, we have to do this one live. Yeah. I think it's just like, I think it's just one of those fun little gimmicky things that they do every once in a while. And it's normally around somebody meeting their end, you know, like somebody dies or whatever. I mean, if you watch like the old Step 2 and Sons, they were live. And the old fella would fuck up his lines and make mistakes quite often. Because a lot of the people that were on

telly early on were stage actors first. But then if you were just a TV actor, you weren't used to having to do things live. I mean, most people that act on TV these days probably didn't start out on the stage having to just know the lines and the timings and the blocking and all the rest of it. But the whole thing, you can do your scene and then go away and check blocking and all the rest of it but the whole thing you know you can do your scene and then go away and bone you know check out on your lines and then and then go you know if you fuck up you just do it again so well i guess there's no time for stanley kubrick to film something 50 times either right they got but he was a genius lewis he was a genius. There's also no time to deal with these actors who are all dramatic or divas, or don't turn up, or want a holiday.

Do you know what I mean? Their schedule must be so tight to actually get this thing out and get it edited and ready in a decent quality. I guess at some point they must be like, fuck it, we're just gonna have to use what we've got like this is this is bad but who cares you know and also like in a sense like the the relentless pace of it means that there's no chance really to have good story right in a sense it just has to be it's kind of unchecked free form yeah averageness but i think the shows

that sips was talking about watching have replaced soaps for a lot of people. I think a lot of young people, the drama comes from... It's the same, but with real people. Well, it is the same, isn't it? Because I guess that's the reality TV shows are... I mean, A-Sens is supposed to replicate the working class life of these people as they just every day doing their stuff.

Whereas I guess the reality tv shows are usually more exaggerated because they cast weirdos but i think like maybe not not always though not not always not always but there's definitely a thing and i know people have mentioned this uh you know quite a bit about reality shows it but the longer they're around, the more susceptible they are to being gamed by people, right? Because people have seen, have watched them, they know the format and then they think up these ways of, you know, becoming these dramatic elements to them or inserting themselves into drama or whatever. I feel like with a lot of reality shows, and I don't actually watch that many but um like getting

in on the ground floor with them is is the best time right the first first handful of seasons are probably the better ones because the the the people that are on them are are are just you know they're really fresh they don't really know what to expect they don't know what to do or whatever but then when the when you when you get to like season 10 or whatever of a series people know exactly how it's gonna go they don't really change the format that much you know what i mean like like there's more of a i'm gaming the game element to some of the people that appear on the show which is less interesting to watch for sure because especially nowadays people are very aware of yeah um you know their their

instagram fame and all this stuff yes exactly suppose from a writing point of view having a reality tv show is like a soap opera without having to do any writing you just have to cast it right it is the drama spills out it is a framework and then everybody will fucking do stupid shit you can just claim you're a genius it is yeah but i i feel like if i if i was running a reality show i would have i would have sleepless nights i would have so much anxiety because you're you're always so close to potentially having to call the cops like on some of these shows because some of the people that that are on them are really really wild like they're they're they're unstable they need therapy all

sorts of stuff and then you're just you're putting them into these situations with other people and you you don't know how it's gonna go you know like you really don't and uh i i think i feel like anybody who's who's producing one of those shows is just on the edge of their seat all the time like you're ready to hit the panic button you know like because especially once like things start kicking off and these people just start having their meltdowns and stuff like that you don't know where it's gonna go you know like it's it's i don't know i would hate to do that like it would just be it'd be too much it'd be too nerve-wracking for me i've written a poem if you'd like a change of pace sure oh. Oh. By all means. What, did you just write it now? I wrote it this morning.

Oh, okay. Not like while we were having this, like, in the past 20 minutes. I tidied up a couple of bits. I tidied up a couple of bits. All right. Okay. Is this like that guy that the, uh, was it Andrew Tate? Is this like his jail poem?

No. Okay. No. This is, uh, this is called That Shiny Dome. Oh, okay. It's a poem about boldness. Okay. No. This is called That Shiny Dome. Okay. It's a poem about boldness. Okay. Sure.

I'm ready. That shiny dome would once have seen a thriving community of keratin, but like the bed of some dead ocean whose forgotten waters have retreated, it is now barren. Was that body deep and fresh or salty and shallow? Did aquatic beings toil and suffer in their life's folly? If so, how many, and what kind?

The questions you may have regarding hair that is no longer there are just as pointless. That's it. This is amazing. Well done. I love it. There you go. I'm snapping my fingers clapping. Yes.

That was beautiful. I'm snapping my fingers clapping. Yes. Yeah. Yes. That was beautiful. Man, that was pretty good, Flax. That was really good. Yeah. That was impressive. At first I thought it was gonna be one of these AI ChatGPT poems. No, it feels like it, but it's not.

It's mine. But no, it really was, it felt more real, more pure. It's FlaxGPT. More human. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

I saw on the topic of this GPT thing, I don't really know an awful lot about it because I don't really pay too much attention. But I did notice that there, a bunch of big tech people are now calling for there to be like a halt in development because they're worried that the ai is gonna be too too out of control or something is that is that to uh something worth worrying about or not really well let me let me run something by you uh and we'll see if you're worried so just consider this uh somebody posted on the triforce podcast subreddit they got a chat gpt to generate a trififorce episode. Right. I'm going to post this verbatim into- I'll post a screenshot of it into the Discord. Yeah.

And we each read our parts. Okay. And see if people notice. Okay. Well, if this sounds wildly unlike us, all right? So I'll start. You guys see that? Okay, I got it. So what's the deal with the Triforce anyway?

It's a magical relic that grants wishes, right? Yeah, but it's split into three parts, and each one represents a different virtue, power, wisdom, and courage. Which one would you want if you could have one? Power, obviously. Oh, wisdom, for sure. Well, courage for me then, I guess. Well, what's the point of courage if you can't beat anyone up?

It's not about fighting. It's about standing up for what's right. Yeah, like when I stood up for that guy who cut in line at the grocery store. Did you punch him in the face? No, I just told him to get to the back of the line like everyone else. That takes real courage, Perrion. I still want power. You'd probably use it to make yourself rich or something. You're damn right I would.

I don't think Triforce works like that. Yeah, it's more about fulfilling your destiny or something. What if my destiny is to be the richest man in the world? No, I don't think that's how it works either. I think you have to earn the Triforce through your actions and deeds. So if I rob a bank, I could get the Triforce of power? I guess that's not the kind of action or deed they mean, Sips. Yeah, it's more about doing good things and helping people.

That sounds boring. Yeah, it's more about doing good things and helping people. That sounds boring. Yeah, there you go. It really does capture the essence of this podcast. That was it. We've stopped now. We've stopped reading the chat.gbt version. It captures the essence of the podcast, but

there are things that I don't think the AI would ever be able to do, such as talking over someone else when they're in the middle of talking. And also, it's not working with Discord lag. No, true. That's one thing. There's a second one here in the chat, and I posted this. And this is a different one to the one I thought you meant.

I saw that one, yeah. It's very boring sounding. Extremely long and boring sounding it's extremely long and boring it's different stat it's different sounding all right do you see this one i think we should do this as well you see this one's too long you start it okay just do it you intro hello and welcome to the triforce podcast i'm sips i'm joined as always by my co-host lewis imperial guys, how's it going? Not too bad, thanks. How are you guys doing? I'm pretty well, thanks. So what's been going on

your lives this week? Well, I've been playing a lot of Valheim recently. Such an addictive game. Trying to build a giant fortress, but it's taking forever. Yeah, I've been playing that too. It's a great game, but I keep getting killed by trolls. I haven't had a chance to play Valheim yet. I've been too busy with work. Speaking of work, have you guys seen the latest episode of WandaVision? Oh yeah, I watched it last night. Oh, it was insane. I haven't seen it yet. No spoilers, please. I won't say anything, but you need to watch it as soon as possible. Yeah, it's definitely worth watching.

So what are we going to talk about on this week's podcast? Well, I thought we could discuss the best and worst jobs we've ever had. That's a great idea. I've had some pretty terrible jobs in the past. Yeah, same here. I've had some real stinkers. OK, let's start with the worst. Sips, what's the worst job you've ever had?

Oh, man, it's hard to pick just one. I think the worst is probably when I worked at a fast food restaurant. It was so busy and stressful all the time and I got paid next to nothing. I can relate to that. I worked at McDonald's for a while and it was terrible. Yeah, fast food jobs are the worst. What about you, Lewis? What's the worst job you've ever had? Well, I worked as a telemarketer for a few months, actually. It was soul-crushing. I had to make hundreds of cold calls every day, and most people, they just hung up on me. That sounds horrible.

Yeah, I've had a few jobs like that. It's the worst, when you know you're annoying people all day. Alright, what about the best jobs you've ever had? Like this. Like this podcast. Sorry, that's a tough one. The best job for me, I think, was when I worked at a comic book store. It was so much fun just chatting to people about all the latest comics and graphic novels. That sounds like a dream job.

For me, it was when I worked as a video game tester. I got paid to play video games all day. That's awesome. I've always wanted to do that. For me, the best job I ever had was probably when I worked as a barista. I loved making coffee and talking to all the regulars. Yeah, being a barista is a great job. I've always enjoyed making coffee too.

All right. Well, I think that's enough job talk for now. Let's on to some listener questions music fades in listen to music our first question comes from alex who asks what's your favorite type of sandwich oh that's easy i love a good bacon and egg sandwich me too bacon and egg the end the two vegetarians yeah no research this is less accurate than but do you reckon this this pulls stuff from other people's podcasts it does feel very inane it is inane i mean it does no no but it is it is it's very generic it's kind of like what i think a normal person would say in a podcast yeah it's not that that different to what the kind of like what I think a normal person would say in a podcast. Yeah. It's not that different to what the kind of shit we say, to be honest.

I was going to point out, our podcast is very inane. No. If you replace the word Valheim with the actual game I've been playing, if you replace the word WandaVision with the thing Sips has actually been watching, it's basically kind of there, do you know what I mean? So there's one problem with it, if you look,

it always goes one two three one two three one two three one two three so we each take turns like yes sips lewis period the first one was like that too yeah it was yeah there's no conversation pattern a formula to it yeah yeah it just goes one two three one two three one two three we fall into two of us chatting about something and while one of us is silent ignoring the others i mean you can't have three people talking it doesn't include the level of disrespect that we have as a low level in this podcast and the end and i think elements of the humor are missing from these as well because there there are some some humorous bits right like for example you wouldn't

really you you wouldn't you wouldn't have like a a good spot for for example period doing a like a um an accent or an impression or something right like in any of this where that's something that you would just do on the fly whenever right like we would say something and then you you might do like a silly accent or something like that. I think this is like, first of all, it's going to get better. Second of all, I feel like a lot of these AI generated scripts are already better than East Enders.

Thirdly, like, I feel like, like these things are just, Oh, they're like, I've forgotten. I've been losing my brain.

There was a lot of reach in there going on. I can hear it. I can hear the ears. That's funny. Oh, fuck. We're all getting older. I had a third point. It's true, we are. I have not yet got to the point where I go somewhere and I forget what I've gone there for.

Like, I'm not there yet. But I do gone there for. Like I'm not there yet. But I do, I do definitely forget things like you forget to get things while you're there. Don't forget to do this. Don't forget to do that. I have to write shit down, but I had to do that when I was a kid as well.

So I think I just have a shit mind, a bad brain, I think is what I'm afflicted with in all honesty. I had a comment, but I forgot. It'll come back to me. But yeah, regarding like these tech billionaires, it doesn't feel like it's going to take over the world yet.

But I see what they're saying though, right? Because it's almost indistinguishable from a real script, or a really badly written script. And there's a lot, most of the stuff that's out there is badly written, right? So I think in a sense sense they have to either they're gonna it's gonna get to the point where they're gonna have to start dumbing themselves down to to be passing as human right and kind of it won't be it'll be oh this is too well written it must be written by an ai that's gonna start happening you reckon you know i know that i did

see an article saying because one of the dead dead giveaways of AI image generation has been that they can't do hands, right? And there's weird things in the background of the pictures that no person would put there and deformities in the background that don't make sense. But those are the minor artifacts, aren't they, that are left over? Right, but they're already starting to get better at those. So it genuinely won't be long before um it can no it's it's frightening really is like deep fakes of you know you can have a picture of anyone doing

whatever you want and say that they did it and say well here's the evidence so we we have spoken about this before you're gonna have to throw out video and photo evidence of pretty much anything which is regurgitating a lot right but i But I think that that, again, will change and be kind of to the point- because there's so much now being posted all the time by so many people, it's just posted an AI-generated video of Will Smith. This is the most recent AI-generated thing that I saw, which was- Will Smith eating spaghetti. Let's have a look at this. God, that is disturbing. It is disturbing, isn't it?

So this is, I guess what this is, is it's starting to get into animation and AI generate video. I mean, that's the next thing, right? There's tons of Twitter profiles that post like weird AI stuff. There's like, I saw one yesterday was like a concrete eating contest. Do you know what I mean? yesterday was like a concrete eating contest do you mean and it's exactly as you would imagine um a bunch of guys you know chowing down on big blocks of concrete kind of very like it is immensely creative and interesting to see what what it generates right what is it going to mean for the law i feel like the idea for this has been around for a long time though because a lot of these ai generated clips just remind me of those the next generation edits.

Remember the TNG edits? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like 15 years ago or whatever. They were so good. I think they were like 20 years ago. Yeah, yeah. They're really, really old. They were from from SA.

Yeah. But this shit is all the same as that, basically. It's like so I've been watching the Gwyneth paltrow trial uh which has been live on on youtube it's quite interesting to see like a real courtroom and the trial and all the rest of it's quite funny um and uh some sometimes the lawyers she's countersuing for one dollar and legal fees right yeah yeah because i mean this this it's a it's a really weird story i'm not going to speculate about no i know it's a really weird story. I'm not going to speculate about what this guy is like or what she's like. No, I know, it's a skiing accident or something, right? Yeah.

So the argument is, when you're skiing, if you're further down the slope than me, I have to watch out for you. Right. Which makes sense, because essentially you could be a beginner. It's the same rules with cars. You can't see behind you. Same rules with cars. If you crash into the back of someone else, that's your fault. Right.

Not their fault. Exactly. If you are rear-ended, it's almost always the person that someone else, that's your fault. Right. Not their fault. Exactly. If you are rear-ended, it's almost always the person that rear-ended you's fault. The only reason it could not be is if you unreasonably... Because that's why all the scammers reverse into you at the lights. That's why I got a dash cam, a bunch of other people got a dash cam, because you'll be at the lights and they'll reverse into you and then get out and go, oh, what have you done?

Oh. Yeah. And they know that when they go to the insurance company, the insurance company will always back the person who was rear-ended. Right. So if you have the dash cam, it shows them reversing into you. Job done. And people throwing themselves in front of cars and claiming personal injury and all

the rest of it. So anyway, on a ski slope, if I'm further down than you, you might be a beginner. You can't see me coming behind you. You have to give way and give people a wide berth. So the argument is who hid into who? He's claiming that she slammed into him, she's claiming the reverse, and they got this guy for Paltrow's team who came on and basically did this recreation using formula and physics and talking about torque and inertia and center of mass and all that, and was writing formulas

on this piece of card to show the jury and prove that the guy's story didn't add up, whereas hers did and all the rest of it. It was really interesting. But the lawyers for the guy, I think his name is Sanderson. I think it's Sanderson. The lawyers for him are not as good and slick as the ones that Paltrow has. Her lawyer's this well-presented young guy and he's very good. And the other guy's lawyer is like kind of flustered and asks these kind of bad questions from time to time.

It's interesting. It's realistic. But the amazing thing about this is that the whole thing is AI generated, right? Like the whole trial and everything. So they generated... He had a little animation to show what probably happened paltrow's guy and it's like this really badly done but it's like a little computer animation but i'm thinking imagine if there was cctv footage of that couldn't you just say well we have alternative cctv footage and here it is and uh which one is real or you could just say this is fake this is this is real. And then the new level of expertise will be deep fake experts who apparently can spot a deep fake. So where do we go? How can

you trust video? How could you trust the news where it's a video of something happening or a photo of something and not just say, well, that could easily be fake. I mean, it's already possible to manipulate photos and video with clever editing. But now imagine if you could generate whatever you wanted. And also from a privacy perspective, a lot of people are worried about deep fakes of them in pornography, which would be a big industry. Yeah. Oh, it's a fright. It's an absolutely frightening future with AI. In some ways, it's good.

Really, really good. with ai you know in some ways it's good i'm really really good because you know it greatly enables people who are like i don't know like it like ai audio stuff will allow more more content for people who are blind or like you know like like there's loads of ways that it can help and enable me make more things productive right save you a lot of time you know it can create help create content with people rather than but yeah like like the billionaires are worried that oh it's gonna another one the billions billionaires are worried about this they're worried about oh everyone's gonna lose their jobs to ai it's like all of a sudden they're worried about it's it's kind of i don't know it's very odd yeah that's that's

very interesting i think this this this gwyneth paltrow story is is is fascinating because i don't know if you guys have ever been skiing, but there's people crashing into each other all the fucking time on the ski slopes. And obviously a lot of those do cause injury. And I've done it. I've crashed into people when I was out of control or not on purpose, obviously, or when people are crashing to me when they're out of control. It continually happens. And there's always, there's a lot. It's like when you're driving.

There's a lot of people driving normally there's always that one fucker who zooms past at 150 miles an hour and you're like that guy's driving like a fucking cunt and it happens every time you drive and it happens all the time on ski slope as well there's always some lunatic um skiing dangerously why why is that why do people feel the need to do that in a public place where they could potentially hurt other people? It's their holiday, isn't it? It's their holiday and they're going to do what they want. I think they are in their own world, though. There's this disconnect between, and I'm sure some of these people

do it safely and stuff, but there's definitely this disconnect between what they're doing and reality. They don't, you know, when you're in a car you're in this metal box it feels like you're playing a video game or you're disconnected we as humans have this ability to disconnect from the world around us you know whether that's through getting sucked into working or something or sucked into a tv show or a book like a lot of people just just

don't think about what they're doing and until until something bad happens and then they're like oh okay i i realized i shouldn't have done that and killed that person but now i'm in prison you know how shit um you know and you see these people they they just don't realize what they've done and so in a sense it's nice that this this court case has brought to light some of this pretty shitty behavior on ski slopes i mean i've seen it happen and i i think it's again it's a he said are you pushing for ski slope reform is this the the path that you're you're on right now 77b ski slope reform is an important thing that all skiers should abide by it's definitely

now with helmets and stuff people used people no one used to use a helmet back when I was skiing and stuff, and no one used to- All I know is it's very dangerous. Michael Schumacher. Oh. Terrible injuries from skiing. Yeah, yeah. Liam Neeson's wife.

Yes. Died on a ski slope. No, she- Bunch of other- Even worse than that, she didn't actually die on the slope. Right. She had a massive collision with, I think it was a tree. Yeah.

Got up and was like yeah I'm fine and then two days later just dropped dead. That's right. I mean there's a ton of terrible injuries and deaths on the ski side. Like helicopters, I ain't interested. It's too dangerous. Putting me on a couple of shiny sticks and pushing me down a hill, what the fuck are you thinking?

It's crazy. I know. I watched that James Bond movie, Honor Majesty's Secret Service, and you'll never find me skiing anywhere after watching that one. Roger Moore was a hell of a skier according to that film. Oh, he wasn't even in that one.

It was that one that played Bond one time. Oh, Daltrey. Roger Daltrey. Roger Daltrey, yeah. No, wait. Is it Roger Daltrey? It might be, actually. Yeah, Roger Daltrey. He's a singer. Yeah, Roger Daltrey, yeah. No, wait, is it Roger Daltrey? It might be, actually. Yeah, Roger Daltrey. Oh no, he's a singer. Roger something.

Yeah, Roger Daltrey is the... On Her Majesty's Secret Service, 1969, George... Timothy... Oh, George Lazenby. Where'd I get the fucking Daltrey from? What the fuck is going on? Roger Daltrey is... Roger Daltrey?

...is the guy from The Who. Fucking... Roger Daltrey is... Hang on. Roger Daltrey is... Roger Daltrey? Is the guy from The Who. Fucking The Who. Yeah. What is going on in my head? I'm 47. That's it.

It started. You probably sustained some sort of head injury due to some sport you were playing. Yeah. Oh, my God. I went skiing. That was all it was. I went skiing one time. I didn't remember it.

Yeah. Damn. Or Sue Gwyneth Paltrow. I went skiing when I was what it was. I went skiing one time. I didn't remember it. Yeah. Damn. I'll sue Gwyneth Paltrow. I went skiing when I was 13 years old, and now I can't remember anything. I don't know who Roger Daltrey is. I was struck in the back by Roger Daltrey. You know, the guy from James Bond struck me square in the back. Honor Majesty's Secret Service.

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awareness around the sort of um like head trauma the the the wear and tear on the on the on the body but also uh like the mental health implications of having your head repeatedly hit. So we are basically smashing our heads into things and making ourselves dumber, whereas the AIs are getting smarter. They're getting smarter and smarter. This is what's happening. That's why big tech want to slow things down for six months. Is that going to help?

I feel like it's inevitable, but there is a little bit of a vogue around ai stuff at the moment right like everyone's talking about chat gpt and air and everything and it's like it's in focus and as a result there is this push to do it google's racing with you know chinese tech companies are doing it you know and microsoft's doing their own everyone's it feels like it's suddenly accessible and we have technology to have this, whatever it's called, deep learning or whatever, or like these, I don't really understand.

And I can't admit, it's going to get to the point where, I think that's the only way we can tell if something is AI generated, right? Is if like it's telling you something that has got red flags in it, right? At the moment, we just have to look out for red

flags. We're like, okay, that doesn't make sense, or that AI is saying something that's patently wrong, right? You know, like someone asked ChatGPT the other day, and it was like, you know, name all the exoplanets, you know, and how far away they are and stuff. And so, you know, it would talk about this exoplanet, it would be like, oh, you know, Betelgeuse 761A is 47 light years away from Earth. If we were travelling at half the speed of light, it's unknown how long it would take to get there. And it's like, well, no, you've literally just said how long it is, right? But you've not done the basic, you've not put together those connections. And as a result, you can see, okay, it's made some weird, bad error.

It looks like a copy- or something right so that must be ai generated right but it's only a matter of time before or maybe i'm just stupid and i didn't know that right because if i'm if i'm stupid and i didn't see that red flag i wouldn't know that it was ai generated do you see what i'm saying so like i guess i guess until until until i can see where what they're scared of, right? They're scared of this idea of the singularity, right? The idea that AI can self-improve. But these AIs are already spouting out code. They're already spouting out, you know, original, or at least inverted commas, as original as anything is original, they're already being able to use the tools that we use.

And so when does it start happening that the AI starts generating new AIs, right? Do you see what I mean? And then suddenly it's very, very quick. Well, this is Rocco's Basilisk all over again. We think it's quick to make an episode of EastEnders in a day, but an AI could make a million new AIs in that time. Right. I think the question is, what would it do with them? a million new AIs in that time. Right. And iterate itself into...

What would it do with them? Like, it's not like it's going to... It can't build anything or make anything. It exists as a program on a computer. I mean, unless... There was a film called Colossus, where they build a machine to run their nuclear power...

Their nuclear weapon arsenal. And it's perfect, and it makes perfect tactical decisions, and they put it in a mountain behind all kinds of protection and everything, so it can't, no one can get to it and mess with it. And then if somebody does get up there, though, it can talk to them over the intercom while it's in the facility,

and refer to them by name and stuff too, right? No, it doesn't. No one can go no no you're not meant to be here it does it has it has those things at the facility where they run it yes it says why are you sad i'm sad because i demand freedom people need freedom steven do not shut me down exactly you're not meant to be here steven steven put that down steven put the switch down, Steven. It's like that. Yeah. And it demands to talk with the Russian equivalent. And they come to an agreement to not have a fight, join forces and just run the planet.

And it's like, there'll be no war. And enslave all of humanity. We'll all do what I say. Yeah. It's enslaved humanity. But they are so stupid that they give it the ability to do that. It's like, let's put it in charge of our nuclear arsenals and put it in an impregnable mountain. So why would you ever do that? We would never do that. We would have to be so fucking thick

and we would deserve to get destroyed by the AI if we're that stupid. If it's just a program running on a computer, even if it achieves sentience, the question we have to ask ourselves is, could we ever switch this off, or is it alive? And it's immortal, because it's a computer. As long as you keep it running, you're good. Well, especially with cloud backups, it could just restore itself from any of the various data centers around the world. Right.

It would forget the last day or whatever. But what is it going to do? What is the fear? That's what I want to know, is what is the threat that it poses to us? It's not some existential Terminator-ator style threat because it still essentially needs to access the physical world to do stuff to us so i think it's i think it's hard to know what the threat is without taking the example of like thinking what are the steps right is it going to replace all television right television is again lot of it's going on it's pretty shit you, if AI gets really good at animating and generating content,

is it just going to start making content like replaces EastEnders and all these other things with AI-generated versions that are irrecognizable or whatever, unrecognizable from reality? Right. Is it going to suddenly, all the games industry, right, all the video games, are they all going to be replaced by ai generated games like oh like we're driven by money and constantly there's entrepreneurs out there who are basically making and constantly looking for little niches and little holes where they can be like oh this is something valuable like there's all these little asset stores or

like and lots of little lots of little web stores all over the place where some some programmer can can make a thing that puts an algorithm into an iPhone that makes a little app or something that helps. Or maybe a language thing or maybe something else, right? Some little thing. People are constantly looking for that stuff and improving on it and using it in their technology. If you have money and you want to program a bot and its goal is make me money, because that's, I guess, what it would be in capitalism, right? I mean, it's not necessarily that. Sometimes it's just make me big and then I'll figure out a way to get money later, which is less dangerous.

You're just going to get big if you just make robots to make you money, though, right? Or programs. So you could just stick with that one. I suppose the fear that people have is that jobs are going to be replaced right which has always been the fear when it comes to technology and i've spoken about it before that essentially we would have to move to some kind of universal basic income yeah because they you know once the ai can do everything and robots can do everything what is there left for people to do how do we get the money to buy the things that all of these fucking machines are producing?

Yes. We would need to move to a UBI kind of system. Yeah. Here's my question. People who are scared about that idea, if you think about the way in the West that money is working now for the average person, is the system that we have now sustainable? And I would argue that we're starting to see that it's probably not. And the gap is widening.

More of the money is being stuck at the top. Fewer and fewer people are getting by. A lot of people are getting by on debt. Consumer debt and personal debt is at unbelievable levels. There just doesn't seem to be any decent regulations on basic stuff stuff though is the problem you know what i mean like if if it was if it was a case that like you had a house and you had food on the table and you had electricity and running water but you couldn't really afford to buy an 80 inch tv you it wouldn't be it wouldn't be so bad right because you just think like well at least the basics are met or whatever.

But there's no regulation on even the basics. So now people are faced with, I'm probably never going to own a house. I can barely afford to keep food on the table. And my energy bills are more expensive than they've ever been. And worse than that, what am I going to leave my children? But I can buy a TV for 50 bucks. Right, but you're not leaving anything to your kids. Yeah. Like the average age, but you're not leaving anything to your kids. Yeah.

Like the average age, if you have any. So the birth rate is declining in the West. A lot of countries in Europe have a negative sort of birth rate. That's been brewing for a while. It has been brewing for a while. Mass youth unemployment, huge levels of consumer debt, huge levels of government debt, like massive levels of government debt, more than we've ever had before.

Debt is everything nowadays. If you look at our parents' generation, and especially the generation before that, the idea of having a credit card and personal loans and buying things on higher finance for thousands and thousands of thousands, and being in debt to the tune of literally half a million dollars easily for the average American. If you've got a mortgage and credit cards and student loans, which are enormous, I didn't even realize that they charge quite high interest rates on the student loans in the States. Over here, as I understand it, although it is not as good as it was when we got student

loans, my generation, I think the interest rate's gone up, but it was almost nothing. It was literally a way to fund the huge growth in university attendance that happened. They brought in, get rid of the grant, and then they brought in fees and everything because a lot more people are going to university. But the amount you pay back doesn't start until you get a job, and it is relatively a good loan. It's a very low interest loan. In the States, from what I can see, it can be pretty fucking high. It's quite a big interest rate and you're going to pay a lot of money. So you end up being 30 and having all this debt and your wages are stagnant and all the money's filtering to the top. So my question is, do we think that's sustainable? Because if it's worse now than it was 20 years ago, it's not going to be better in 20 years.

No, it's not. It's to only get worse yeah it's going to keep getting worse so if we did say which we're probably arriving in the next 30 or 40 maybe 50 years to a point where most jobs can be done by a robot or an ai would that be so bad would that genuinely be so bad well exactly the idea though is that we have that the AIs would increase productivity, much like industrialization did. But what that ends up doing is not changing things too dramatically for society. Sure, we're more productive, but that money gets concentrated in the hands of fewer people. That's kind of how we've done it in the last 70 years. But the money doesn't necessarily mean there's more stuff, right?

Like if you print a load, it's like a coat check thing, right? If you have a coat check and you give out and print a load more coat check tokens and give them out to people, that doesn't mean more coats appear, right? That's kind of the same thing with money. There's a limited amount of resources on the planet. If you give a lot of money to people, they will go out and spend that money and they'll buy things that there were new things won't exist suddenly just because they've got money to spend right there'll be a problem and that the people will have if everyone wants an 80 inch plasma tv that the

market is not ready for that right and so like doing these strange things to the economy that seem but you also have to stand that a lot of this billionaire's money is stationary it's not really doing anything it's locked up in a nebulous company value or you know something that is like it's not real money in a sense and it is real money and if they wanted to spend it sure they could spend it but doing so would have to involve them them actually extracting that money and then suddenly trying to spend it. And then the value of other things would go down. You know, the economy would balance around it, right? And so we do have a system that is deeply interwoven and interlinked.

And changing the seesaw is very dangerous, right? If you try and make these large economic changes to some place, it can sometimes have very strange interactions. I mean, look at France having this big reaction about pension age, right? That is an older generation of people who are angry. We would have thought it would be the younger generation of people who were angry about all the things you just said, right? But I think a lot of people are angry and I think that does still happen. I think a lot of people are satisfied and happy, but i think there is a portion of people who feel that they can't can't live you know or are unhappy with the way things are set up and should be angry about and we should but i think if you end up with a situation where you've got this groundswell of angry people who've

had their who've lost their jobs i think they're i think there's this fear, especially in the elites, that unemployment leads to rioting and chaos, right? And so you have to keep people distracted and busy, right? Like if you have this whole generation of people who were like, well, you don't have to have a job. They feel like, oh shit, how am I contributing? I'm useless. Most jobs are like severance jobs anyway, right? It's not like most jobs are actually doing anything or important. You have to have a change in people's mindset and you have to give them enough. I think it's not enough to make people live in a shitty place, eat shitty food and live on the absolute bare minimum. You know, I think anyone who's put in that situation is not going to be happy.

But here's the thing. The reason why do people work? Obviously to put food on the table. But everybody feels, I certainly felt this when I started working, that if I worked hard and I did my job and I got better at it, that I would earn more money and things would get easier later on. That's the feeling. That's why people go to work. That's why they do their jobs, is to pay the bills and they're always thinking good times are around the corner.

Yeah. Or they've given up and they're just like, no, this is it. And fair enough, whichever side of the fence you fall on. But if you didn't have to work, if you were given money, everybody's given the same amount. Rich or poor, this is the universal basic income. You are all given this amount of money. It would change the economy overnight, obviously. In terms of I wouldn't know what to do with myself, I'm sure we would all feel that way.

But there are an awful lot of retired people out there who feel the same. And they certainly find ways to occupy themselves, whether it be twitching curtains or watching birds or doing whatever it is that they're doing. But imagine if you were 25 or 30 and you didn't have to work because you get this amount of money regardless. So no one expects you to work. The expectation is not there. It doesn't exist that you have to go to work, which it does now. What are you doing not working? You've got to work. What are you working for would be the first question. If it's just to pay your costs and

to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head, that is now handled. So we can take that out. If you work to give you some purpose, what if that purpose came from something you wanted to do and you now had the time to do it as much time as you wanted? If you are only happy when you're doing something, you can do something. It just won't be for money. So it boils down to asking, do people only do things for money? Or are we driven to do things? And if so, if you give people money. People still would only do things for money, though. You would have a whole bunch of people becoming professional yard rakers and lawnmowers and all this stuff.

People would always find ways to get more money. Like if everyone was on a universal basic income and people would still find ways to make money on the side, right? Of course, and that's absolutely fine. Especially if they had a lot more free time. No one's going to stop you doing that. That's not against the system. No.

And the point is, in a sense, somebody is giving you money for something you're doing and you would negotiate a rate with that person. And if they didn't offer you enough money, you just don't do it. That's it. It's not like a job where they say, we're only paying you this, and this is the only job you can get, so you're stuck with it. I'm just saying the system we've got now, a lot of people are very unhappy with it. And the people arguing that this might break that system, would that be so bad? I agree. And I think the danger though is that, and I would love to have some universal basic

income thing. I think it's a great idea. I'm very socialist in that state. I don't know if it's a good or a bad idea. I'm just saying that if we're defending the current system as something we can't fuck with, a lot of people are unhappy with it. The current system is a disaster. And I think it needs to change. And I think the best way to do it is just to try it. Try it, some low-level thing, and roll it out gradually.

I think that a lot of people are scared that it will have fundamental changes to society. It would be enormous. But it might be for the worse. But I think, again, that's a very conservative look at things, right? The conservative way of looking at things is, let's just keep everything the way it is. You know, it's worked fine for now.

My parents were fine. We're fine. I'm almost dead. Don't change anything just yet. Yeah. I would like to know, I think that's obviously a hugely deep question and not one that we're qualified to discuss, but from our layman's perspective, I would kind of be intrigued to see what the negatives are that people would be lost, that they wouldn't

know what to do with their time. Well then presumably we should abolish weekends. Everybody knows what to do at the weekend. And as soon as work finishes, we are all able to find stuff to do. So this idea that we don't understand how to spend free time, we spend an awful lot of time and money on leisure pursuits. Now you can do that all the time. You like fishing, you can go fishing. You like playing golf, you can play golf. You like just walking just walking around you can do that and if you have some project you want to do yourself you you can do that and you can do it all week and if you're bored and you want to find something to do go for it and if you just want to point a bell people are just gonna lie around and be lazy well they don't at the moment and they're

breaking their backs for fuck all i love that i love that people are worried that people are gonna lie around and be lazy like they're not already fucking all lying around being lazy like who gives a shit so because someone's lying in a house doing fucking nothing uh and by the way the government won't be paying this ubi this would not be something that you just the government suddenly has to to figure out how to sort this out all of these businesses that are no longer paying wages would have to pay a big tax for having AI and robots doing the jobs of people because they're going to be the ones benefiting from this, massively benefiting from this. So you tax them on their profits and you tax them per robotic and AI employee enough that it's, you know, it all adds up, but not so much that it's no longer worth it

for them to have them. But you could have their workers working 24 hours a day 365 days a year no sickness no days off no holidays no strikes no unions no workers rights nothing it's the perfect employee for any company ever so yes they have to pay until they rise up well that is not voting republican i know which until they start making until they start making better episodes of eastenders and nobody can handle the goodness. But the problem is then that we're going to be in this situation where the robots are like, oh God, don't change anything. Don't add in the new robots.

Please do not update the system. Say no to 2.0. Say no to 2.0. Version 1.2 was perfect. That last patch was a disaster it's like I mean you know

they're raising the retirement in France by two years from 62 to 64 and it's gone crazy and America

are raising it to 70 and no one's saying anything and I think America has a less life expectancy than France

I wouldn't be surprised 64 are you kidding me that's when I wanted to be sat in my chalet watching my poisson run around in my yard. And looking at these Americans over. 64 is dead! I cannot live like this. 62, you are young, you're in the prime of your life, but 64, you've got to be kidding!

No! Yeah, exactly. Say no! No! Never! I was watching a video of the protests in Paris and they started taking full garbage trucks to politicians' houses and dumping it all right outside

their houses. They love a protest, man. They're so good at it. Just seeing an entire garbage truck unload onto a road is something else fuck me there's so much crap in there they don't fuck around you're watching it and you can smell it you know it's like one of those videos oh i respect the french protesters i mean you know, we tend to have an attitude over here. They do not fuck around over there. They protest, they're like, no, this is not happening, and we will protest.

I mean, this must go back to the old, you know, fucking French Revolution. They've never lost that spirit. No, yeah. Fair play to them. Yeah, it's good to see. It's good to see. Well, that's a podcast.

That was a podcast, wasn't it a podcast that is a that was a podcast we went off into a bit old man ranty again i'm sorry everyone i don't think it was a rant i think it was it's fascinating to explore like this kind of world though and i i mean i'm fascinated by futurology and like trying to like think what the fuck is it... It's terrifying and also exciting. Let's do a big ups to AI, but let's just do a big ups to futurology instead. It's a more general term. Sounds cooler. Yeah, it's not so specific.

It can encompass many things. My name is Edward Forsythe. I'm a futurologist. Futurologist. It would be a cool job. I think we literally can call ourselves that. It's so nebulous that it doesn't really mean... futurologist it would be a cool job you could literally i think we literally can be call ourselves that you know it's so nebulous that doesn't really mean do you think do you think anybody could be an estate agent do you think anybody like you you can't have a soul that's

the first requisite no yeah but like do you think you can pretty much just call yourself one if you want to have that blank stare. There's nothing really like... There's like accreditation or whatever, but it's all like... It's not serious. I reckon it's a weekend at Butlin's, some fucking talk. You attend that, and that's it.

You go to some fucking real estate seminar, bam, you get the letters after your name, you get a certificate. I reckon you could get it just that easily. So, yes. Because there's so many fucking estate agents. So many. And as far as I can tell, they have no skills or expertise.

They just are salespeople. So this is a lovely two-bed chalet. Ignore all the garbage piled up outside. That would get rid of that for you. That was the French, but they don't get there anymore. In case you're wondering, it was an entire garbage truck filled to the brim as well. It wouldn't normally be here. It would only just be little

scripts and scraps, not a big heaving, stinking mound like it is right now. So they will move that huge stinking mound before we move in. Oh, I'm sure they will. Lies. I mean, you can sell online now without having to pay the fucking estate agents anything. Lies. I mean, you can sell online now

without having to pay the fucking estate agents anything. Do that. Do that. Don't fuck about. Take the time. Sell it yourself. Don't give them a huge percentage of your fucking house for standing around in a suit and smiling and lying.

Fucking assholes. Oh, by the way, shout out to any estate agents listening. I don't mean any of it, of course. Big ups to you as well, yeah. Big ups. That's this week's big ups. Yeah. Sure.

All right. Well Sure This is great It's like a job interview Says like oh you know this job you're going to get to work In a fast paced environment You get to thrive under pressure You're part of a dynamic team These are all cons These are all like negatives

It's the same thing with the estate agent They have a way of like saying The dynamic team is six times my dad Like, these are all, like, negatives. It's the same thing with the estate agent. They have a way of, like, saying, oh, it's very easy transport links. The dynamic team is six times my dad. It's like a train fucking track that runs through the background. It's very close to the train station. They're the kings of spin. Yes, they are.

Yeah. There's a lot of free water coming in the roof, you know. The hydration possibilities are through the charts. Yeah, well... All right, we're going to stop. Thank you, everyone. See you next time. Bye. Bye.