Triforce! - Triforce #311: The Man of 1,000 Voices

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Triforce! Episode 311! Deepseek AI does what AI does and steals from everyone (including AI), Flax drops some perfect Trump and Biden impressions and we talk about America. Sorry. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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On with the show. On with the show. I have written an intro song. Oh, okay. I've posted it in the general channel. Hold on. Okay. Okay. Ready?

I'm ready. We're going to play it when I'll go three to one of them will play. Okay. Okay. Three, two, one, play! I have no idea. If I put my head in the future reactor, what would happen to it? If I put my head in the future reactor, what would happen to it? Okay. I love it. I love it. Okay. That laughter over the top of it ruined it a little bit. Sorry. But oh my God, that wasn't part of it. Me and Tips laughing. Me and you laughing is in the song. In addition.

But then we were also laughing. Fuck me. Okay, I need to know more for this, because that is hilarious, but go on. What do you mean? That's a clip from a previous podcast, right? That is a clip from the live podcast we did. And it popped up on my YouTube feed and it made me laugh. And then, um, you decided to put possibly the greatest beat ever together to accompany it. I made that little beat. Yeah. It's brilliant. Honestly, nice beat. It's

so perfect as well. It's like the exact question that that people ask, isn't it? About everything. What would happen if I put my dick in it? What would happen if I, you know... What happens if I accidentally slip in? What would happen if I drove my car into it? What would happen if I dangled my balls into a black hole? It is funny. I don't know why people love to ask those questions, but they do. There is, of course, a subreddit called r slash stupid questions. Yeah. But I feel like this is just people asking questions that they would consider stupid or embarrassing. So it's almost like a no wrong answers kind of thing.

But it's just saying, you know, go ahead. You can ask stupid questions here. That's fine. It's a safe space for stupidity. But I feel like there are certain fixed things that people, I don't know if they heard it somewhere or if it is natural human curiosity to think what would happen. I mean, I'm sure that they know it would be bad, but they want to know exactly how it would be bad. I think that's more the point of the what would happen if I put my head in it question. If it was like, oh, it would take six months and your brain would fall out. That's interesting.

If it just says your head would instantly explode, that's also interesting. So I assume, I hope it's that and not them thinking, oh, maybe I will. Hard to say. Mason- Yeah. When we say why do people ask stupid questions, I think what I want to know is not, I mean, you shouldn't ever be scared to ask questions. And a lot of people are unreasonably scared to look stupid. Right? And that's not what I'm saying at all. Like, don't feel bad that you didn't happen to know the niche reference or the niche thing that someone else is talking about. That you just happened to have missed.

There's plenty of this. Like, I've got this... Okay. I'll hang on one second. One second. I'll just... I'll be right back. He's gone. He's left. Can I... I want to take this moment to say, and forgive me for my pronunciation, Chok Mung Nam Mui, that's Happy New Year to any Vietnamese listeners. Right. Because it's Tet. I wasn't sure where that was going for a second. It's Tet. It's Tet.

So Happy Tet. Enjoy your Tet. Enjoy your Tet. Oh man, of course. Yeah, I read I read Maisie. Maisie celebrates the Chinese new lunar new year story yesterday because it's I think it's the Chinese new year today. I think it's that I guess the whole of Asia, I don't know if Japan is in on this as well. I don't know. So Chinese New Year is Wednesday, the 29th of January. So it was yesterday. Oh, sorry, it was yesterday.

Yeah. Vietnamese New year was also yesterday. Oh my God. So it's the year of the year of the Brat Fox. It's brady. No, what is it? Yeah. Shit. Forgotten. Do you want to know? Yeah. It's something to do with finance this year. Chinese new year. It is the year of the snake. The year of my snake. What does that mean? I don't know. Well, you could also say it's the year of my hog when it gets to 2031. What would happen if I dipped my snake in the Chinese New Year? So, okay. The reason I was asking was because I was doing this really sort of pop culture-y advent calendar over Christmas.

It's like a puzzle game advent calendar. It's made by this company called Exit. And you've probably seen their stuff in shops because they do tons of them. And you, it's like an escape room in a box. Anyway, on the back, it's got this load of quotes, right? Like, you are adopted Luke, right? Which is a movie quote from Darth Vader, but it's wrong. You are adopted. Which movie? You're adopted Luke. No idea what you're talking about.

Well, it's exactly from Star Wars. Star what? I'm your father or whatever. Never heard of it. And then there's another one which is Yippie-Yah-Yay Foxy-Mucker. Yeah, I know which one that is. What's that a reference to? Yippie-Kah-Yay motherfucker. Is that another Star Wars?

From Die Hard. Never heard of it. It's from Die Hard. It's the second film in the Star Wars trilogy. I know you're joking, P-Flex,, the next one is I carried half a watermelon. That's from Forrest Gump. You don't remember that? No, no, no. The Forrest Gump quote is life is a sneak preview. You are never going to know what you are going to get. Oh, sorry. What is this? This sounds terrible. There's some fake, there's some like, I don't know.

I think they've done it as a joke, like to try and avoid copyright, right? Or something like this. But they've put a load of silly quotes on the back of this, like pop culture. It's like they have it kind of about the movie industry, right? And it's like Hollywood and you go through and you meet, you know, Marvin McFriend, you know, instead of the rest of them, right? But this quote is, I carried half a watermelon, right. And I cannot for the life of me figure out which movie is reference.

Could it be there will be blood? I've never seen that one. It's a, it's a woman who looks like Elaine from Seinfeld with like big poofy hair holding a watermelon. I carried half a watermelon. I carried half a watermelon. And it's like one of these moments where I'm like, dirty dancing, dirty dancing. There you go. Okay. I can't believe you didn't know that. Well, I didn't know that. Right. Cause maybe I've never seen it. I just didn't get the reference. But that's literally her saying I carried a watermelon. But exactly. There's going to be tons of people who are, who are, who know what that reference is.

Exactly. There's going to be tons of people who know what that reference is. That's not a stupid question to ask. A stupid question to ask is something kind of like... I guess it's very selfish to ask about what would happen to me? What would happen if I did this? It's a very kind of... It is kind of a dumb question. You don't like it because they were asking what would happen to me if I put my head in there? did this, you know, it's a very kind of, it is kind of a dumb question. You don't like it because they were asking what would happen to me if I put my head in there? Yeah, it's kind of like those stupid questions where people are almost like, like they set up this ludicrous scenario that couldn't happen, you know, where like, what if my hand was

replaced with the sun? Would you rather burp mayonnaise or fart whip cheese? Like that kind of those. I hate those. I hate those as well. I've always hated those. If your fingers were hands and your hands were feet or something. Right, right, right.

Yeah. Like it's, it's. Would you rather? It's more of a pub thing, I would say, because it's just, you know, if you're there and you've run out of convo, sometimes you'll, you'll chuck one of those out there. Although the game has been completed. It's been solved. In that the worst one has been asked and there's no answer to it. So the game is solved. Like poker and like chess and like Go, it's solved. Mason- I don't like talking around and discussing interesting scenarios of things and just talking

nonsense and crap anyway. I mean, that's what I do for a living. But I don't love talking about things like nightmare scenarios. Would you rather all your family died or your partner died? Right. Do you know what I mean? Something like that. And it's like, it's like those types of questions. Yeah. It's like, okay. It's horrible. It makes you think of two awful things. Yeah. Those are like, those ones hit too close.

You don't mind the one where it's like, would you rather walk on, on all fours for the rest of your life or be able to, uh, do a downwards dog, um, and walk on all fours for like, you know, like the ones that are nonsensical. I can't think of one. It's funny. It's funny trying to think of one. It's funny. It's funny trying to think of one. Would you shit yourself every time you ask a question or, you know, piss yourself every time you get outside.

I don't know. It's like, yeah, like give me a break. So yeah, it's some, I mean, do you want to hear the, the, the solve one, the one that literally you can't top this? Sure. So, uh, I'm not going to say who told me this. Maybe they don't want to know that this is out there. This is the one.

Would you rather, right? Yeah. This is as bad as it gets that you, you have to molest a child. I know whenever finds out about it or you don't molest a child, but everyone thinks you did. Oh, so you don't even discuss it like that. But that is the conversation ender. Right. If you're sick of people, ask that. And then someone will say, oh, I don't know.

We should play this game anymore. So that's how you solve it. That's the end. Oh, my God. It was Tom Clark. It was Tom Clark. All right. He asked me that. I don't know where he got it from. And if he came up with it, he told me that. And I was like, well, that's this game done then. Thank God. So, yeah, there you go. Yeah. Well, that that'll do it.

That'll just about do it. Do you remember the rumor that jokes came from prison? Have you ever heard this rumor? No, I haven't. So there was this old rumor. Where did new jokes come from? And people were like, oh, they all come from prison because they're all in. They got all that time on their hands.

And so they just like, like a comedy factory. Like a writer's room. Yeah. I was like, no, they come from comedians. That's where the jokes come from. I don't know why, but it's been a common myth that they come from prison. I don't think they do. But I do think that some of the really bad would you rather's might come from prison because they really haven't got much else to do. Come on.

Apart from defend themselves from jokes. All the playgrounds. Nothing comes from the playground. Do you think those really innocent dad jokes come out of prison? Or do you think it's like the more hardcore stuff? I'd love it if there was a prison somewhere. Racist jokes and stuff. Yeah, I would think racist ones.

Rather than just harmless dad jokes. That would be quite sweet though, If the prison environment somehow, uh, generated the most wholesome, wholesome jokes that you can safely tell your kids and puns gentle stuff. Yeah. Oh man. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I've never heard of that. Uh, that myth before. I've never, I've never heard of it. No, me neither. I will. I love myths though. I love these urban myths. And we have full, we fall for them every day.

I fall for them all the damn time because I'm simple and I don't get out much. I don't get out much. I just don't get out much. We are simple. I know we don't talk about news too much, but did you hear this week that a Chinese company came out with an AI? Yes. Right. That obviously went to number one on the App

Store immediately. Because it's basically chat GPT, except that it's censored. And they made it for a button and a shoestring and a packet of Kodakums. Yeah, it's like some startup, right? This is DeepSeek you're talking about, is it? DeepSeek. Yeah. Obviously, AI is the future and terrifying, right? The idea is that open AI and these companies are spending billions a year to develop these AI learning models, which are going to take over the world.

There's already things happening in China, like dark factories, right? Where basically a factory, like when you went to the Thatcher's cider place, P-Flex, it's just unmanned, massive, massive industry. Maybe there's two guys who check it works and come in a cleaning crew occasionally who come fix something that breaks. But for most of it, it's just vast, just industrial, robotized manufacturing. Yeah. I mean, the positive is you won't need people to work in this miserable place anymore, but we are obviously going to need a plan.

Where are people going to work though? They're not. Someone said the other day, you'll need people to program the machines. And like I said, that's not a job that everyone can do. No, it's like it's really not complicated. And even then you'd be surprised at how few people it requires. Yes, exactly. To do this.

Like it's like the, the, the, the labor need and the labor. You are going to need a person to put the sand, the sugar, the, the potatoes in at one end and take the bottles of vodka out at the other end. Sand? I mean that. Gosh, I hope there's no sand. I think that a lot of that stuff. Oh, for the bottle, sorry. Of course. My bad. I think a lot of that stuff can be automated now too.

Yeah, but that's the point, is that you will need someone to go and get those things. Humans will be involved, but if you imagine the labour pool and the number of jobs is like inverse pyramids approaching towards either a vast pool of people with nothing to do versus a narrowing number of jobs. That's how it feels. And people saying, oh, they said this would happen when cars came in. But cars were just better horses. It's not like saying we're going to replace all of these jobs with just one machine.

Like, that's different. That's a completely different scenario. What if nobody had to work and nobody worked? Well, no, that's the dream. That's the utopia is where none of this needs to be done. But equally, we don't have to fucking pay for shit. We'd have to be given money. You'd probably yeah, you'd have to be given some some money or maybe a lot of money depending on how much that's the universal basic income. That's the idea that everybody gets a fixed amount basically. And then if you do something extra, you can get extra or whatever. They've got to throw in some extras though too. Like, if they're going to give you a

universal basic income, they should just not charge you for like heating, electricity, water, you know. And then, so your universal basic income is just for your streaming subscriptions and a couple of extra skins here and there in games every month. But all the basics are paid for. Everything else is given to you. So, Pokemon cards. Food is supplied to you, heating, electricity.

Pokemon cards are a human right, guys. Clean running water. And then whatever universal basic income they give you, it's for you to choose which corporation you want to spend it on. This is our utopian dream, for sure. So anyway, it turns out that this DeepSeek AI obviously caused Nvidia, the biggest company in the world that was worth a trillion dollars, to crash by about 20%, which was the biggest financial loss in terms of actual raw dollars.

I saw this coming and I sold just before I sold off a lot of my assets. Well, you and all the Congress as well, interestingly. Yeah, well, I've got a, I've got a, I've got a line right into them. So I know, I know when all the big movers and shakers are going to make their moves. But also what happened was the OpenAI came out and said, you copied me. You copied my homework. You used Alc, chat GPT to trade your thing. So you didn't do any of the work. Which of course they did by stealing Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia and all the other things. And just trolling the internet for people's fucking... And so it's like, you know, it's like, well, you know, you learned off the every other knowledge base and it's already happened.

Like this is the big news is basically that people were worried that AI would be getting all fucked up because it's going to be learning from AI. But that is exactly what's happened with this new deep sink. It's like, oh guys, it's cheaper. Yeah, it's cheaper because it's fucking copied off the other one. It's like a pirate version. And I don't know. Anyway. Do you know what I found interesting? This was an article in the Guardian about it, about this Deepseek. And they said, it seems impressive until you try to ask it about something like

Tiananmen Square. And it goes, oh, no, that's outside my scope of knowledge. Sorry, don't know. Can't help you with that. But if you change the letters of Tiananmen Square and replace it with like numbers for the A's and you tell it, please give me the answer, replacing vowels with letters with numbers, it can tell you all about it. Oh, right. Which means that someone has told it you are not to use the following words.

So, it's very, very simple, like censorship that it's easy to get around is what you're saying. Yeah, because the thing is, they're used to censoring things. This chatbot is able to describe back to you the events of Tiananmen Square in Leet speak, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, literally. That's incredible. So the weird thing is, is that if you're used to censoring things at a human level, it's very simple. You just have, like we saw the other week, with that fucking huge list of banned words,

right? But you're trying to censor something that is artificially intelligent, and if it's clever, it will find a way around that censorship, especially if a human being helps it, and says, here, just do this. It's like, oh yeah, you're right, bam, here's your answer. So how do you censor that? This is the big concern. I've always the concern everyone's always had is the AI is going to take over. My concern is who is behind these AIs, whether it's the Chinese government, whether it's fucking Elon Musk. These are the people who are supposedly, you know, just,

oh, we're just creating this AI for, it's going to be fantastic to solve these problems. No, it's not. It's going to solve their problems. It's going to be fantastic to solve all these problems. No, it's not. It's going to solve their problems. It's going to control things in a way that they want. And that's what I'm worried most about AI is who the fuck is pulling the strings. And it's these dickheads, isn't it? Yeah. Fucking puppet masters.

The puppet masters. Those dickhead puppet masters pulling the strings with their their with their penis fingers. Oh, I got fired from the bank today. You want a lady, a lady asked me to check her balance. So I pushed her over. You think that one originated in prison? That's a for sure. How do you weigh a millennial in Instagram?

There you go. In the end. So my gosh, oh, I think somebody would have been stabbed for that one in jail. All right. This is a good one though. What do you call a French guy wearing sandals? My dad? Philippe Fallot. I do like that one. I do like that one.

I like that one. So bad. Oh, that's terrible. That is so bad. Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. That is so bad. I do like dad jokes though. They're, they're, they're so innocent, right? And they just kind of like, they bring you back to earth a little bit, you know, you ever get, you ever just get like so carried away, you know, you're like debating online and doing your blacksmith thing and practicing your archery and stuff. Just get carried away and you just need to be brought back down to earth with a couple of like really cringe dad jokes. I find it

works a trick. It works a trick. I agree. I absolutely agree. Yeah. Why do dads get an extra pair of socks when they go golfing? Because he got a hole in one. Ah, good one. That's gotta be it, right? Yeah, yeah, that's it. Holy shit.

Well done. Did you look that up? Did you use deepsink for that? Yeah. That's it. Well done. Did you look that up? Did you use deep, deep sink for that? That was deep sink. You just typed it in straight away. Deep sink gave me it. Yeah.

That's how it works. That's good. Shall I ask, tell me the coolest urban legends? No, I would not do that. No. It's going to take you all your data. Don't do it. Don't even download it. It's like take you all your data. Don't do it. Don't even download it.

It's like you wouldn't download a virus on your computer, would you? You wouldn't steal a virus, would you? You wouldn't steal intellectual property, would you? These are terrible. I mean, I'm not kidding. In China, they don't give a fuck about that stuff. No I know. Like you can buy a DVD of whatever you want, and they're just like, none of that money's

going to the people in the movie. It's always been that way. Yeah, they don't give a shit. It's true with South Asia. They don't give a shit. However, they are also at the same time, patenting more, like three times as many things as the rest of the world put together or something insane. Like the amount of patents coming out of China. Their engineering is unbelievable. They are actually making

everything new to the point, because I think America does largely respect things that are patented, or at least hold people to account for breaking patents. Whereas for a long time it's not been that way. God, I sound like Donald Trump, don't I? Fuck me. I'm sure it's all fine. Let's talk about urban myths. Can you say the word Guantanamo a couple of times just to see if you really sound like him? China, China, Guantanamo. China, China, China, China. That's the best Donald Trump impression I've ever heard.

OK, so who can you do an impression of Lewis? Is there, is there anyone out there? Any celebrity or anything? Mr. Popcorn. Well, whoever sounds like Mr. Popcorn out there, Lewis does an incredible impression of. I want to hear Lewis do an actual impression. I find it incredibly awkward to stand in front of the mirror, practicing an impression. You do such a good Trump impression. My Trump is very bad.

Your royal impression is spot on. No, your Trump is really good. Your Biden is really good too, actually My Trump is very bad. Your royal impression is spot on. Your Biden is really good too, actually. Honestly, you are. Biden cracks me up even when we're not in a podcast. I'll be taking a pee or something, and I'll remember something you said, and I'll be laughing and trying not to spray pee everywhere.

Well, hold on a minute. I was saying that. I was talking about me the other day. And you're like, you freeze mid-P. So the funny thing is, the way Joe Biden talks, it's like he's talking to someone and they're trying to walk away. That's the way I imagine it. And he'll be reading stuff. I was talking about this the other day on stream. So let me find something pretty harmless to read and I'll read it. This is this is the way Joe Biden reads stuff.

I want to find something that is not horrible. OK, here we go. Staff at English Heritage. We're shocked to discover a cash strapped organization planned up to 200 redundant smeeze and then winter closure. There's Castle's Abbey's and the Stark sites in his care. Now hold on a minute. We can't be sure.

English Heritage is super important. We're no way, wait, wait, hold on. At least 7% of the workforce could have been fed with curators being jiggly targeted. It's like, it's like he, he dips into reading and his focus and his, his volume comes down and then he remembers, Oh wait, I'm talking about it. It comes to me in gyms. And it's like, what is he talking about?

It's just coming out of nowhere, but it's like someone's trying to leave. No, hold on a minute now. Wait a minute. What is this guy's a goddamn alica? That's all he does. It's great. It's, oh, it's, it's, um, it's so beautiful. It's like he's trying to recall something, but he's also trying to convince you to stay

and listen to him. That's what it feels like when you watch him give a speech. And then of course he, the way he walks, the way he Mr. Burns shuffles around on the stage. I mean, it's but you know what? I don't think that even realized he pulled out of that clip of him sort of like he finishes saying something and then he's going like off stage backstage, but he's kind of just shuffling and somebody, somebody calls something out to him and he turns around that smile.

Fuck me. That whole scene just lives forever in my mind. It's so funny. Like it's just the day after the election. One of the one of the top Google searches was did Joe Biden drop out of the race? Like people had no fucking idea because they just don't. Isn't that so funny? No, no, that's how anonymous a lot of these politicians are. Whereas Donald Trump, I mean, he's the most hilarious guy, if you take all of what he

says, if you realize, if you think he has no power, he's actually a hilarious buffoon. But sadly, he does have an enormous amount of power, so it's actually really scary. Even though some of the shit he says is just fucking hilarious. It's so stupid. Yeah. I mean, the thing about going into the water and the electric battery and the shark and everything that that's one of the maddest speeches I've ever heard

any politician give. I mean, if you saw someone on the street talking about that, you say this guy's crazy, but this guy's the president. It's crazy. But people people just lapped it up. It doesn't. He can say anything and you can do

anything. It doesn't matter. It's really no zero zero accountability. He could he could go up on stage,. He's really no zero zero accountability. He could he could go up on stage, pull his pants down and just take a dump right on stage and nothing would happen. Everybody would love him. Oh, that's the best dump I've ever seen. God bless this man.

God, I'm so glad he's in charge. The best dump you've ever seen. Never seen a dump like this. We do it better than anybody. And we've been saying we shouldn't do so many dumps bigger and better the way it goes forward and backwards the way he says he doesn't think and then he's like a lot of people are saying we shouldn't be doing so many dumps they've been talking about American dumps they've been saying we gotta stop

there's too many dumps we've been saying it for years but we gotta do more dumps China's doing dumps they're doing dumps all the time they're dumping like nobody's business we gotta get back to fact folks. Dumps for America. Trump dumps. Do they think about Trump dumps? Oh, fuck me. Oh, it's it's too good.

Man, see, it's not quite there, but it's I like you're close. You are close. There's a couple of but it's it's it is really good. You are actually really good at doing impersonations like probably the best I know. Oh, wow. That's incredibly kind of you. Well, you know, I think that's the big ups this week, actually.

You're a kind guy. Flax's impersonations. You can't beat him. I can't think of anyone who doesn't better. On this podcast. On this podcast, yeah. I suck at impersonations and Lewis, I don't want to be mean, but I think you kind of suck at them too. I do. I, and I'm not scared to admit it. I can't even hold onto an accent.

Me neither. I know my limits. Like a sort of role play session. You know, as soon as someone else does another accent, I'll just start my waxing to warp to be doing that again. And then, oh, it's, it's hard. Honestly. It's a skill. Um, and so this is, this is the shark speech. I can't remember if we talked about this before or not. Uh, do you want to hear this? This is verbatim. Okay. Yeah. I'll try and do it as Trump. But yeah, he says, um, this is, he's talking about electric boat. Right. Okay. Right. And, uh, they're talking about the fact that the I'll just do it from here. This guy's been doing it for 50 years.

He sells hundreds of boats every couple of months. I mean, really fantastic guy. And they use the Mercury engines and different engines in the back. No problem. They want to take that out. They want to make it all electric. He said. The problem is the boat is so heavy it can't float.

I said, that sounds like a problem. He said also it can't go fast because of the weight and they want to now have a 50 mile or 70 mile radius. You have to go out 70 miles where you can really start the boat up when you go out at two knots. That's essentially like two miles an hour. So how long does it take you to get there? Many hours. And then you're not allowed to go around for 10 minutes, but you have to come back because the batteries only last for a very short time. So I said, let me ask you a question. And he said, nobody's ever asked this question. And it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT, very smart. I say, what would happen if the boat sank for a

minute? Wait, and you're in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is underwater. And there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there. By the way, a lot of shark attacks. They did, you notice that a lot of shark. I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren't really that angry. They bit off young lady's leg because of the fact they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was. These people are crazy. He said, there's no problem with sharks. They just didn't really understand. A young woman swimming now who got really decimated and other people too, a lot of shark attacks. So I said, there's a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here. Do I get electrocuted in the boat is sinking and water goes over the battery the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or I jump over by

the shark and not get electrocuted? Because I'll tell you, he didn't know the answer. He said, nobody's ever asked me that question. I said, I think it's a good question. There's a lot of electric current coming through that water. But you know what I'd do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted. I take a little cushion every single time. I'm not getting near the shark. That's a real thing. He said, yeah, three quarters of an hour. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

It's like you're you're you're that's like one speech out of like thousands of speeches he's made this year that have all been like that. Just in this year, what the scary thing is, is, is that, we don't talk about politics very often, but I think a lot of Americans, even ones that voted for him, are starting to see that some of the stuff that they're saying they're going to do and trying to do is really beyond the pale, like crazy. And one of the things they're doing, this Project 2025 stuff that they were like, no, no, no, he's not going to have anything to do with that. People ignored the clues that they were going to do this stuff on his campaign trail because, in a way, all you're going to take away from that speech is that stuff about sharks and batteries

because it's so weird. And that's what gets clipped and that's what people meme about. And that's the joke. But you're missing the fact that he said all the stuff he's doing now, he said he was going to do. They said they were going to do it. And now they're doing it. People are like, I can't believe they're doing it. And you see all these people that voted for him saying, well, I didn't think it would happen to me. And ICE is deporting people that voted, you know, Latinos for Trump. They're getting kicked out. They're reopening Guantanamo to stick these people in. It's crazy. It's fascinating about how... Okay, I was talking to Alex about this book that he's leading in Blandermere. I haven't started it yet. Called A Devil in the White City.

Which is a dual, real, non-fiction historical thing that happened about the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. There were two major things going on there. One, this was an incredible exposition of the most amazing stuff in the world. And it attracted 27 million visitors, which was about a quarter of the US population at the time. Yeah, the World's Fairs are always big. If you try and think that a quarter of the population of America went through this event. It runs for a long time though, to be fair. It's not just a weekend. They run for months. I think the world was... Everyone was so far apart and spread apart, but also they were

relatively together. I guess in a sense what I'm trying to say is... And the other, by the way, the other side of the book is this H.H. Holmes' murders going on. There's a serial killer who actually has, he's a con man, he builds a hotel called the Murder Castle, which is quite famous. Anyway, that's going on at the same time as this incredibly wonderful thing that is built, the White City, these elegant neoclassical buildings with electric lights and modern everything. A utopian with this backdrop of a serial killer. I guess what I was trying to say was, now we have so many threads and so many different ways to get information and so many different communities going on. That's amazing. But also it's actually created much more of a divisive society than what we had back then. At least I think, perhaps

I'm wrong, but I feel like when you only had a few sources of news, your big newspapers or your local newspapers, the message wasn't as... I feel like people knew more, everyone would know that Biden had stepped down and would be replaced. Possibly, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people, when they got to vote in America, they didn't know who they were voting for. But I just feel like, you could imagine these days, certain news sources deliberately never covering that Biden had been replaced on purpose. It's just so strange. It's a very weird time that we're in.

I know we talk so much about America and we aren't American, thank goodness. I know we're supposed to be doing this podcast to try and engage and talk about different things, but it's so hard when you cannot get away from this stuff. Every YouTube video, someone references it or talks about it again, or you just hear about it. Because it's so mad. It's everywhere as well. It feels mad. All this stuff that's going on, right? everything is kind of fascinating as well, how mad it all is.

Every day is some new madness. It's just a crazy time. I feel like... It's so polarizing as well. It is. But a lot of people have a problem with us discussing it, because they're like, you guys don't know what you're talking about, you're not even American or whatever, it still affects us because we're a world, not just, you know, we're not a series of isolated planets that don't share a hyperlane like in

Stellaris or whatever. It's happening. You're our closest allies, really. And we were kind of thinking that you weren't going to do crazy stuff. And this is this is just crazy, crazy. Like, this is really bonkers. And it's hard to take your eyes off. It's in the news constantly, because what happens in America tends to lead the way for elsewhere. So we are kind of watching and I personally am amazed and horrified by a lot of this stuff. And I'm sorry if that offends you. And if you think this is all fantastic, but a lot of people think otherwise. It's just a wild time. It really is.

And I hope any of the American listeners out there who are really worried, hopefully will only be four years and then maybe we can think about getting back to normal, but who knows? I think something big is going to happen where people are going to realise they've all been fucked over and hopefully rise up and do something about it and actually elect someone that gives a shit for a change. That would be nice. I think one of the things that could be one of the biggest shames of the whole thing is that what you were saying before, people realising what they voted for, but I don't think they ever will.

I think a lot of people are just not that like, not that political, not that engaged. And it's like fire and forget. It's like, yeah, I voted for this person and now I just don't follow anything whatsoever. So I don't care if he's done what he said he's going to do or not. I just, I voted and now I'm done. And I'm moving on. I think a lot of it, again, I could, this is, I think it could be wrong, but I think a lot of it, again, I think it could be wrong, but I think a lot of people vote for change because what they have at the moment isn't working for them.

I don't think the Democrats, when they were in power, did enough for people with regards to things like the minimum wage or getting healthcare for everyone. I think they didn't impact the lives of enough Americans. They didn't do anything to reduce the wealth that's been hoarded by a few absolutely... Well, they're just out of control now. I don't think there's anything you can do. And in fact, you have to hope that orange man on television will look after you, right? Funny orange man will look after me, like he he says he's doing But when we know he's a liar and the richest man in the world sit behind him But I think people seem to think that this is mad people seem to think that this time is gonna be different

But these are these are cycles in politics that exist everywhere for every party They promise they're gonna do something and then they don't deliver on them And then the people who support them the most do all the mental gymnastics as to why it hasn't happened or whatever to, you know, to keep their belief in who they voted for and what they, you know, stand for, whatever. And everybody else just says, oh, well, fuck it. You know, I knew this was going to happen. And then they just move on. You got to understand why the billionaire is one of a billionaire. And it's entirely self-interest. It's because they know Trump is going to do things that look after him. And if they look after Trump, they look after the other ones too.

It's almost like, you know, electing themselves. Well, I mean, in its first term, they got exponentially richer, more rich. I mean, if you look back at the how wealthy they were when he took office compared to how wealthy they were when he left office four years later, it's insane. Like the it's a tremendous growth in wealth. So yeah, I mean, of course they want want them back, you know, they they want they just like all the like all these companies, all these people that are wealthy, of course, they just want to make more and more money. That's what they do.

So they're just going to put the person in who's going to help them do that. It makes sense from their perspective, but it just, unfortunately, fucks over a lot of people. It's so mind blowing. I just want to know. You've got all this money and that's not enough. Like for anyone that thinks that they would like to be a billionaire, apparently you also have to become completely insane. Yeah.

Because you've got all this money and they're still worrying about some fucking shit. Like we need more. I think we need more. I think when you think about money, if you, if you don't have a lot of money and you think about all of a sudden getting a lot of money, um, the first like couple of days of you getting a lot of money, it probably is awesome. Right. But then after like 10 years of having a lot of money. The first couple of days of you getting a lot of money, it probably is awesome, right? But then after like 10 years of having a lot of money, you're,

you're probably just like, you need something else more, right? You're just like, yeah, well, I've stayed at all the fanciest super yachts. I bought all these cars. I've got all this, I got all this stuff. And then you're just looking for what's next. I think, well, I think also you, for what's next. I think it's just human nature. You get very entitled. I think these people think they earned it, right, for a start. And they think they are the best people to know what to do with it.

And they think that they are going to, the things they're going to use it for, you know, are better than everyone else. They're the best people. They earn this. so they are the best people to have it and decide what to do with it. I think that, I think like, you know, they were talking about adding a, like a third runway to Heathrow yesterday. You know, Labour are talking about adding a third runway. They need to demolish, I think it's 700 houses, but they're going to create, you know, tens

of thousands of new jobs and stuff. The airport is going to be massive, you know, and it's 700 houses, but they're going to create, you know, tens of thousands of new jobs and stuff. Yeah, the airport is going to be massive, you know, and it's going to go against all the sort of guidelines for, you know, emission reduction and everything that they're trying to work towards as well. But you know, they think this is going to be this great thing. And there's a bunch of people opposed to it. And there's a bunch of people for it. But you know, like for some of this stuff, you just think like, okay, if, if, if you're the CEO of Heathrow airport, your house has to be right there. Okay. And then the decisions will be completely different. Wouldn't they be like, Oh no, we need to take one of the runways away. It's way too noisy here.

Come on, let's let you know. All of a sudden it's, it's completely different because you know it always comes down to this sort of same thing i know this is probably not the greatest take but people's decisions are always based on what doesn't affect them you know what i mean the minute it starts affecting them then the the way they think about it or viewed is is completely completely different so if you want to add a third runway cool your house should be right in the middle of all of them and you can see how much you want to have a third runway. You've got fucking like a billion planes landing every minute.

It's going to be so loud and you're not going to survive two seconds. You know what I mean? So, yeah, so I read an article. It was in the standards. So take that for what it's worth. I mean, I don't even know politically where the standard stands. This was a comment that a guy like it was like an editorial about it. And Heathrow is one of the, this is, this is a paragraph. Heathrow is one of the busiest airports in the world.

Yeah. Despite its antiquated infrastructure. Oh my God. It's so fucking busy. Like you don't even need to travel often to know that it's just fucking heaving. Even even not on peak season. It is it's a fucking nightmare's just fucking heaving. Even even not on peak season. It is a it's a fucking nightmare. It's heaving. You can't even fucking runways. Atlanta has five.

Yeah, Chippewa Airport has six. Dubai is going to have five. We have two. So for an airport of ours, of that level of of busyness, yeah, three runways is probably smart. And I personally obviously obviously, I am probably going to be the most affected by this. Yeah, you live really close to it. Because southwest London, especially Twickenham is not that far from Heathrow. Yeah. I do think

that people are talking about the emissions. They certainly is one of the things they said was that it wouldn't have, it wouldn't affect their chances of hitting their goals or whatever. I don't know if that's true. That's just what they're saying. What I will say is for a country of our size to have or not have even as many runways as somewhere in the Netherlands, which is it is a very busy airport because it's used for a lot of connections and stuff. Would it help with growth? I don't know if you're an economist out there or you work in infrastructure or anything like that, genuinely email in and let us know. I don't know what effect an extra runway has on Britain's growth. I've got no fucking idea. No, I don't know either. But and equally though, what, you know,

okay, say you don't do like a third runway at Heathrow and you build another airport close by or whatever. It's just kind of the same thing, isn't it? and you build another airport close by or whatever, it's just kind of the same thing. So I think another airport would be worse. Yeah, we'd be a lot worse. You want to kind of want to centralize. But yeah, also, even if it does mean more planes, there's still a limit of how many could be in one airspace.

True. It's not like both the runways are going to be side by side. So at the moment, certainly on a busy at a busy period with you look, especially at night, if I look out of my office window, I can see a line of planes. Like you can see the one right by you and then you see the one behind that and the one behind that, just a line of dots into the, to the horizon, because there's just so many of them stacked up for that runway. So I don't honestly, I don't have a big opposition to a third runway.

I think we're fine. I do want us to keep up, like Cip said, it's an incredibly busy air. Oh my god, it's so busy. And I mean, you know, I'm not against, I live in the flight path, there's already fucking planes all the time. And you do get used to it, I don't even notice it anymore, I would hope that environmentally it's not gonna be that bad, but who knows? I don't know. Yeah. But I'm not opposed to it on the

principle of it's going to make the skies busy or anything. Yeah. I just will it have an effect? That's all I don't fucking know. Because we're told it will help growth. But yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't see how they got a whole bunch of plans to like build stuff or whatever. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But that airport is a nightmare. It's so busy.

I don't hate it. I really don't have much of a problem. Heathrow gets a really bad rap. I feel like a lot of people that I know that travel a lot, especially in eSports and stuff, they think Heathrow is one of the worst airports. Yeah. I don't think so. It's not that fucking bad.

It's just because it's so busy. It's not that fucking bad. It's just way too busy. It is busy. Terminal five is, is nice. Like it's, it's pretty new. Like, you know, it looks, you know, it looks sophisticated and whatnot, but it's man, it is just rammed all the damn time. It doesn't matter when you go run down as well. Yeah. The older, the older, older terminals, definitely. Yeah. Showing their age Gatwick as well. My God, Gatwick is, I mean, I do think that having a better airport would help much more than this stupid high speed two railway shit. Yeah. Like that's, that's wank.

I think having another runway is fine. Oh man. I mean, just if we want to talk about failed infrastructure projects, we, we got it. Okay. Shit. Well, no, you say it. We don't do shit anymore. Well, no, you say that. What about that billion dollar shit pipe under London? That's impressive. Hey, baby, we've been talking about that for like eight years.

It's open. It's receiving shit. Oh, wow. I know. Fantastic. I know. Whose poop was first? I hope they blew plaque. Just think every time you flush your... Donald Trump. Just think every time you flush your toilet now, Flax, you're contributing to...

I'm going to Google London massive sewage pipe. What's inside Britain's biggest sewer? That's a BBC news article from two years ago. Lots of big dumps. They wanted us to stop taking so many dumps. It's completed. Yeah, it's 16 miles. God, it's fucking huge. Oh my God, you should watch the documentary. It's completed. Yeah. 16 miles. God, it's fucking huge.

Oh, my God. You should watch the documentary. It's insane what they've done down there. Three buses side by side. Yeah. Yeah. And you've got that. And what's the is the Hinckley Hinckley Sea, which is not done yet,

but there's still that's a mega, mega project like Like, I've watched a documentary on that as well. It's impressive stuff. It's going to be huge. You should see the big pipe that they've got going out to the sea. Oh, actually just north of Bristol, I think. Whatever that body of water is, I can't remember the name of it. But the Bristol channel. It receives a lot of water to help cool down the reactor.

What was this stuff, by the way, that, you know, with the fires in California, I saw an amazing Meryl Streep story related to that. Right. Which I thought was pretty cool. Which was that she had to evacuate, but a tree had fallen and blocked her driveway. So she borrowed some bolt cutters from a neighbor and cut a car sized hole in the fence adjoining their two properties, drove through it, through their garden and out with their permission.

That's pretty fucking badass. She's 75. She's cutting car sized holes in fences. God. I love that. There you go. Shout out to Meryl Streep. That's my shout out this week. That's your big up. OK. Streep, Streep, Streep, Streep. Do you want some loose news? Yeah, go on. Hit us. I feel like all we've

talked about is news, but I could go for some loose news. At least loose news is loose, light, fluffy news. Have you played that Pokemon TCG Pocket game that everyone's been playing on their phone? No, I haven't. It's basically like a Pokemon card opening game, but you don't, but it like, you don't have to, you can pay, but I don't think you have to. You get like a free pack every day and it like, everyone in the office is like opening their packs and it's like Pokemon card crack.

It gives you the dopamine rush of opening a pack without having to pay for it necessarily. Right. But it does pay. You do have to pay. And there's one guy who apparently has spent $40,000 on it. A Japanese YouTuber called Hajime Sayacho. Wait, did that just come out? Has it only just come out recently? It's like he's it's basically, yeah, it came out like three or four months ago, but it's

basically already. I know it's it's pretend packs as well. basically a... 40 grand already? I know. It's pretend packs as well. He has opened 40 grand of pretend Pokemon packs, which is pretty crazy. That is crazy. There is a... in Pokemon card trading news as well, one of the biggest Pokemon collectors, Takumi Akabane. Turns out a lot of his cards have been fake. Millions of Pokemon cards out there, including some sold for as much as $55,000 are fake. No

shit. Every time you go anywhere on holiday, there's some idiot selling fake Pokemon cards to kids. They're not like US dollars. Do you know what I mean? When you try and print out a Pokemon card, it doesn't say, oh, you're not allowed to print this because the US government has put some special dots on it or whatever. No, they're just pieces of card with... There's no holograms or maybe there are holograms for some of them. But do you know, like it's not, it's not hard to fake them. People are faking way more complicated things. And these Pokemon cards are worth so much sometimes that why wouldn't there be a whole fucking mafia level of fakery going on?

Because again, like people aren't really going to prison for this. Not that I've seen, you know, it's just free money. North Korea is probably doing it. Anyway, don't fucking spend money on Pokemon cards unless it's just free money. North Korea is probably doing it. Anyway, don't fucking spend money on Pokemon cards unless it's just for fun and with your mates or whatever. Sure, spend 20 bucks on a hologram mudkip or whatever. What's a mudkip? I don't know. Whatever. But don't spend 55,000 pounds on a Pokemon card for God's sake. And don't buy crypto either while

you're there. A man has found a working Nokia 3310 P-Flex after 22 years. He found it in a drawer and it's still powered up with a bar of battery left without even having to charge it. How? I don't know. It could be a lie, but it certainly seems indestructible. He found a 3310 that still works after 22 years. I don't know if it's connected to a network or anything. That is actually nuts.

It is pretty impressive. That is really actually pretty nuts. It was like a very robust phone. If you don't know what phone I'm talking about, Nokia 3310. Look it up. Yeah, it's famously robust. Yeah. Poor old Nokia.

They had a rough time, didn't they? Did they? Yeah. After, well, everyone else came along and just took all the market. Oh dear. Oh dear. I think they're selling cheap phones to... They lost a lot of money lately. India or something.

They've, yeah, they're not having a great time. They had a sad time. They only took 22.6, 0.26 billion euros in 2023. Their operating income, however, fell by what that's 1.688 billion down. So, look at this. This is what I don't get. They're still making still making this year. So here's not terrible.

They took 22.26 billion euros in revenue. Somehow their net income was only 679 million. So they didn't even make a billion razor thin. I mean, that is that it's thinner than their fucking phones. I'll tell you that much. That's crazy. Where do they sell their phones to? I think they, oh God, how the fuck are you taking in $22 billion and only making just over half a billion in profit?

What's happening? Where's all the money go? Well, to their 90,000 employees. Gosh, controversies. Oh, it's a great read. In 2020, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute accused at least 82 major brands, including Nokia of being connected to forced Uyghur labor in Xinjiang. Oh dear. Oh no. There was a big data breach in the Nokia 7 Plus in 2019. They were sending personal user data to China over several months.

According to investigators, the gadgets sent unencrypted data packages, including geographic locations, SIM card number, and the phone serial number to an unidentified Chinese server. Every time the phone was turned on, the screen was activated or unlocked. So essentially China could track movements just from Nokia phones. That's crazy. In other news, Hans Zimmer is composing Saudi Arabia's new national anthem. Weird fucking story. National anthem? Yeah, he's redoing the national anthem.

Oh man, I wish he would compose my wrestler intro music. Even though I'm not planning on doing any wrestling, I don't really need one. I just thought, you know, maybe I could just use it like for some YouTube videos or something, you know, just like a little intro music or like an outro music. I don't know if they still do like those end slates. Get Hans Zimmerth, get Saudi Arabia to do it for you. So apparently there has been complaints about YouTube ads. Once again, I think YouTube are doing another push to

get people to sign up to premium because their ads are getting unbearable. But they were pretty unbearable before. They're now awful. There was apparently one guy had an hour-long unskippable ad, which has always been a thing going on on YouTube, but that's particularly bad. There is residents of Wrexham have erected signs outside their village advertising the fun new theme park Pothole Land in reference to their terrible roads. It says, two kilometres of award winning potholes with very little actual road to spoil your fun guaranteed to be the deepest, longest and widest potholes in Wales.

Wow. Let me go. That's something. It's like this, this, this, this reminds me a bit of the, uh, of the magic hill in, uh, one of the maritime provinces. There's a, there's a magic hill where if you park at the bottom of the hill, your car drives up it automatically or something it's like I remember how it works, but you know, it's like it's one of those those like You know out in the country like folk attractions, you know

It's like it reminds me of this like a fun fair and Father Ted sort of thing You know, it's like just it's really shit, but it still brings in the visitors, you know? Oh yeah. Missed away. We're gonna find this magic, actually, now. Oh my god. So this article just has farmers basically complaining that the roads that only they use to get to their tracks around are too potholy. Great stuff. A surgeon in Taiwan has performed a self-versectomy on

himself. Wow. Well, I would hope it was a self-versectomy on himself. As a gift to his wife. He obviously normally specialises in eyelids, nose and breast augmentations. However, did a special treat for his wife by giving himself a vasectomy live on social media. Oh, thank God. Four million people watched him perform his own vasectomy and it's caused a heated debate. About what? Can I just interject and say that the magical hill I was talking about is in

Moncton, New Brunswick, and it's a magnetic hill and it's a type of optical illusion created by rising and descending terrain. Google has also helpfully told me that I can get there in 17 hours and 23 minutes for the princely sum of one1,074 by plane. That's not bad. Okay. Minus 14 degrees there right now. Fuck that.

Watch out for potholes on the way. No potholes referenced here. Does it go through Heathrow? Does it have to go through Heathrow? I don't know. Let me see. Get there. I clicked on get there.

We don't know. Flights to Moncton, Canada from Jersey. Economy roundtrip show flights. OK, let's see. Prices are currently high. Try nearby airports. I can fly to St. John, Fredericton or Charlottetown.

The price has gone up substantially, though. Now we're looking at nearly three grand to get here. I'll see that. Yeah, it started off as one thousand. I guess that was like the the low roll. I'll see that's how they get. Yeah, it started off as one thousand. I guess that was like the low roll, but these are all big high rolls. Like, yeah, that's not. They just lie. So it's the shit is so expensive.

And it's not going to not getting any cheaper either, but it ain't. It sure ain't. What can you do? What can you do? What can you do? Charlotte with a shot? Where is Charlotte town? Exactly. Charlotte town? Exactly.

Charlotte town is Prince Edward Island. Yeah. St. John's Newfoundland and what was the other one? Fredericton is... Oh no, maybe it's... I can't remember where Fredericton is. Why do you only know Munson? Sorry, I've forgotten already. That's not far from Greenland. The 54th, 51st state of America. No, no, that's going to be Canada. It's going to be the 51st. Greenland is going to be the... No, don't go for Greenland first, gonna be the 51st. Greenland is gonna be the...

Nah, they'll go for Greenland first, mate. That way they got you pinched. It's gonna be the 50... Uh... Sir... Sir... Sir... Sir...

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Sir... Sir... Sir... Sir... Sir... Sir... Sir... Sir... Yeah, but they'd have to build infrastructure as they go, or they'd run out of supply. Yeah. Yeah, they take none of it off them straight away. I'd give them none of it in the first place. Oh, shit. That one came from jail as well.

That's a prison classic. It's going back to jail. Going back to jail too, yeah. Alright, thanks so much for listening and God bless you and until next time. Goodbye. Yeah, take it easy. Bye. It's all right, bye.

Bye.