Triforce! - Triforce! #58: A Serious Podcast

Episode Date: November 22, 2017

Triforce! Episode 58! Depressed Inuits, Gambling with Gaming, Two Year-Old Nightmares and Old Sitcoms!   Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, people of all ages, it's that time again. It's the time again where the spacey sympathizer comes at you with a well-rehearsed introduction to the Triforce podcast featuring Lewis Brinley of the Oggscast. Hi. Pyrrion Flax, also of the Oggscast. Hello. And myself, Sips from the Oggscast. Here I am. It's rocketing towards Christmas. Oh, fuck, yeah, you're right about that.

At a rate of fucking knots, honestly. People are like, tinsel's out, Christmas markets are out, people are buying presents and Christmas decorations. I can't quite believe that it's happening. Tinsel's out, ass up, let's do this. This year has been so vast. Christmas, motherfuckers. Yeah.

I read that, like, I read a thing on Reddit, okay, and I don't know if this is true but it's it was basically um if time is appearing to go too fast right right just start doing something working towards something every day right um like that guy who i saw who went out and like planted a tree every day for like like the guy who ate that spitfire remember that guy he ate a whole spitfire and it must have taken him he must have eaten like maybe like a tiny piece of metal per day over the course of like 50 years to finally eat that thing well i hope well i guess and now he comes flying you know it's kind of crazy to think though like in world war ii they were so desperate

for resources they would have hung that guy for eating a spitfire at the time but now in the modern day he can fucking eat one and nobody gives a shit like this is the slowest kind of sabotage in history right yeah we believe that german spies are eating our planes very slowly at a rate of one small piece of metal per day i don't know how you digest that but whatever i mean i have problems digesting a banana which is actual food so this guy is the guy who is known as uh the guy who eats anything right he's eating like bicycles shopping carts yeah tv but how how do you eat a shopping cart like Like that's some, you know, like I've thrown many shopping carts into creeks in my life and they don't even bend

or anything. Like they're made of like hard shit, you know, like it's hard to bend up a shopping cart, let alone how would you even start to eat one? Like how do you get the metal soft enough to like, you know, chew it up and stuff? How does that work?'s he's basically drank a lot of mineral oil right and washed and sort of lubed up his throat i guess and like swallowed like broke up the metal into small bits right okay so it's not not a case of just like gnawing on it enough to like chew it no it wouldn't dissolve it's like he had a very thick lining right of his stomach. He's dead now, by the way.

Well, yeah, I'm not surprised. And also he had this eating disorder, you know, pica, pica. Shopping carotiditis, yeah. People eat like weird stuff. It's a common thing, actually, that people would eat like hard things. It's like I was watching the Louis Theroux documentary about anorexia, and it's kind of like it's kind of like reverse obesity like it well obviously it is i guess but but people it's like people have this

just incredible fear of eating and right man it was a really good documentary actually i've been watching all the louis theroux stuff like yeah i watched that one too the anorexia one right it's really yeah really really quite depressing i hate watching stuff i know like it's a terrible like uh condition to have and stuff but man it's like so it just feels so hopeless like the people that have it like did you see that woman who had it for like 45 years she was like in her 60s or whatever just like her whole life revolved around and she was she had like this pile of suck like boiled sweets in her cupboard yeah that's right yeah she was, she had like this pile of boiled sweets in her cupboard. Yeah, that's right. She was like, this little pile of boiled sweets, I suck them for a little bit,

then I put them back in the cupboard. God almighty. It was like so disgusting. Yeah, but it's all to do with feeling bad, like feeling like she doesn't deserve things and stuff. And it's awful. Yeah, it's a real, it's really awful actually. It's really kind of, it's not what you think.

Everyone's different as well, obviously. That's the problem, I think, that everyone wants it to to be everyone wants everything to be black and white right so and certainly like if you're a doctor or or if you're a patient you know you want to know that i've either got something or i haven't or or if you want if you want to prescribe medication to someone or have insurance you know it has to be you've either had something or you haven't and the problem is that it's a thousand shades of of different it's everyone's experience with these these disorders is different and so therefore everyone's treatment needs to be different and sometimes it's very difficult to to get that and and so i mean with with anorexia like i think it's a little bit like all of these things like if you meet someone with depression the automatic response is to just yell

at them don't just cheer up just don't be so miserable you know if you meet someone with depression the automatic response is to just yell at them don't just cheer up just don't be so miserable you know if you meet someone with anorexia like just eat something you know you can see why do you think their family and people get frustrated with them right but that's it's it's it stems from a selfish place though doesn't it because when people say stuff like that it's because they want to feel they they don't want to feel like dragged down by someone right like it's like i think people feel they they don't want to feel like dragged down by someone right like it's like i think people say that like just be happy just feel better or whatever because it's like hassle for them like this person who's not like feeling well or not happy or whatever you know what i mean like i think it's a combination of that and it's also people just can't empathize

if it's something if you break a leg everyone can see that right your fucking leg is broken there's bones sticking out through the skin it's like oh that looks nasty you get the cast on it's clear that you broke your leg and you could just say oh yeah better rest up or get well you know but if you say like you know everyone knows people who's had depression i mean i know people who've had like severe depression I've been sad and depressed at points in my life, but because I had something to be depressed about, it was different. But some people are just fucking miserable even when everything should be really good, right?

It's hard to explain that to people. And I think that's the biggest problem with mental health is not the stigma, but literally the inability of regular people to empathize with something when you're like, but how can you be depressed? You have all this and you have that. And it's very, very, very hard to empathize with something that is not something you can point at, not something that apparently you can even really fix. And it's just like, well, what the fuck do you do? So people

just panic and just fucking cheer up, like you said, but it's just, it's almost impossible to put yourself in that person's position if you don't suffer from it. Yeah. I think it's like the OCD thing, you know, when people are saying, oh, it's triggering my OCD or whatever. And people with actual OCD get offended by that, rightfully so, because OCD in itself is like this crippling condition that basically ruins your life yeah like people who get slightly annoyed about things not being symmetrical like probably don't actually have ocd yeah probably don't have like a terrible life off the back of it sort of thing but some of these people that suffer from ocd like the the rituals that they do every day it just consumes their whole day like you're talking about somebody like tapping on a kettle 50 times before turning it on and stuff and that's just

like the tip of the iceberg it gets so bad that it's it's like like a really severe ocd sufferer it is a complete disability like it 100 is but i i think i think that that is just to do with the way that people use language right you go outside and you're a little bit cold you say oh it's freezing out here or you go to this go to shop to buy something you're like i'm starving everyone always jumps to like the most extreme thing right of the hungry inuit people who are actually starving and freezing no one's thinking of them are. No, they're like the last thing on my mind when I use that language. And they have to stack the snow just so for their igloo. And if they mess up, they've got to start all over again

because they're also OCD sufferers and they're depressed with good cause. And they're probably eating like sleds and stuff and like eating igloos, just chewing on them, trying to get them down. Gaming culture is terrible for all this, though. There are so many terms that are used in gaming regularly that are potentially super offensive, like calling something cancer, calling something AIDS. I mean, we do it all the time.

It used to be popular to use the word the the word rape like for you know your team getting destroyed or whatever and stuff and like you you see that less so now but well even at school though you know when i was at school and stuff it was it was it was the word gay you know like it was a commonly used in word to say that something just was not that in the 90s it was a bit oh that's a bit gay. Yeah. It's a bit annoying. Like, kind of, I don't know. And the problem is that's part of, that was part of my language as a teenager.

Of course. And therefore I have to fight against using it now because I know it's not kind of appropriate. You have to battle the resistance. But the same thing with retarded. Retarded, yeah. This fucking sandwich is fucking retarded and gay. Yeah.

In the 90s it was so typical it was it was used in tv shows and everything like it was like it was almost like it almost became like uh like part of like like surfer lingo or something it was like family radio that shit is retarded like i'm pretty sure they said that word multiple times in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. I'm not even joking. And in TMNT, I mean, all the racial slurs they were chucking around was unbelievable. It was disgraceful. I think people don't like to use mild terms.

If you're someone who needs to have all your pencils lined up on your desk, you're probably a bit anal, right? Yeah. But people don't want to say, oh, I'm really anal today. Yeah. Right? They'd rather be like, oh, I'm really anal today. Yeah. Right? They'd rather be like, oh, I'm all OCD today. I don't know.

But it's appropriatized by its use. You know, so many people refer to themselves. And it's been, you know, if it's said on Hollywood shows and it's said in common parlance on the media that we consume, then that's why it enters the lingo from there. we consume then that's why it enters the the lingo from there but but then again the lingo that common lingo does enter hollywood and then it cycles around and becomes this but once it becomes mainstream people don't want to say it anymore that's the thing yeah i think if you had jesus i don't know think of a fucking example for yourselves all right but if you had that example that's in your mind saying that thing jizz mop jizz jizz mop yeah i find that

one a little bit that would be everywhere and then people would get sick of jizz dumpster as well it's pretty offensive i i don't like that oh my god that is pretty awful i mean i i seem to remember seeing that on like a glittery you know like child's top or whatever show me and it's like oh Jesus Christ wasn't one of the My Little Ponies called cum dumpster

and her best friend jizz mop oh my god thank you I'd watch that show if that was the case in Brony's gum me too

god man sounds like something out of Rick and Morty it does it does just to I've got to talk about this guy

because I can't stop thinking about him now. This is going back to the OCD stuff, right? When I was growing up, there was a guy in our neighborhood. There was a mental institution, if you like, in our area. I like how this is... Do you mean where you lived? No, I didn't live in it. I grew up near to a mental institution.

This is a story about my friend. Very near, actually, yeah. But he was one of the guys that they put back into the community, you know, to live as normal a life as he could, because he wasn't dangerous. He just struggled with this OCD, and it was so bad. He enjoyed playing Dota. He loved Dota.

He, you know, eventually joined the Oxcast. He's here today, all the way from Twickenham. No, he would cross the road, and he had to do it in a very specific way. And if he messed up, he had to go all the way back again and start crossing the road again. And, I mean, who knows what his ritual was. You know, it was arcane and complicated, and you sort of didn't want to stare.

So you couldn't just watch him and learn exactly what he had to do. But my mum worked in a shop around there and he would come in and everything had to be just so. And when he was paying, he had to do all this stuff for the money. He had to sort of hand it to you and take it back, hand it to you, take it back, hand it to you, take it back. Then he had to put it on the counter, line it up in a certain way, put it back in his hand, hand it to you, take it back. And it's like, when he was at the counter, one person would have to just sort of be serving him. And as other customers come up behind, the person serving would just sort of give

one of those tiny head shakes like, no, go to another counter, you know, to try and get a serve. We're going to be here a while. I love those little cues, actually. I mean, it's something which is kind of, you only see in like board games and real life. Like those kind of, because we play games and games and real life like like those those kind of you don't because

we play games and we're so virtual all the time we do miss those kind of subtle like emotional clues like like for example we did the star wars um star trek vr game you know it was it was great to like have a kind of this this we were we were working together on the bridge to fly the enterprise you know and like we duncan would say something or Terps would say something or do something and Shin would like turn his head to me and I would turn my head back and like, you know, we would have these like little moments of like physical, like kind of,

and that's, that's because we've been playing a lot of board games lately. We've been playing a lot of things and, and especially when you're playing like a bluffing game or something like that, there's a lot more of those little nods and winks and stuff. Like when we were playing D&D the other day for Yog's Quest, it was, it was,

you know, occasionally, you know, Pflax would give me a wink and I'd be like, Oh my God, this is, I don't know. It's sorry.

It's just, I thought, I thought I'd mentioned that because it's certainly something that, that is worth, it's worth, if you don't play a lot of board games, you should do it because especially the good ones. There was also,

there was a moment where Tom gave you a look like wrap it up now like we've we finished sort of thing and i thought that was like i i saw that look and you saw that look you guys didn't see that i saw that look but i knew i knew to shut up at that point because i knew we were wrapping up the episode i was like all right don't fucking come in here period just keep your big trap shut for a little bit it's a yeah that's why i think if we did this podcast all in the same room, we wouldn't talk over each other. But it's difficult online, isn't it? Yeah, I think we'd give each other better cues and stuff.

But I think this does allow us to be more thoughtful. I mean, my eyes sort of glaze over when I'm doing this podcast. So I've been playing a game recently. Sorry, so I took us away from the topic, which was OCD gentlemen in the shop. So I've been playing a game recently. Sorry, so I took us away from the topic, which was OCD gentleman in the shop, struggling along with his stuff. But I mean, board games is an interesting one too, right?

Like I've been playing a bunch of different board games lately. I've got a couple. I got Seven Wonders Jewel. I got Honshu. I got a bunch of like two-player games as well, like Jaipur and stuff like this. And I've really been enjoying just the physical board game playing of recently. And obviously, if you haven't played any of these board games, you should do,

because they're really good. Christmas is coming up, family coming around. My parents came down, and we played some Codewords this weekend. Really? Wow. Which my dad can just about manage, actually, Codewords. My dad's pretty old now. Yeah. How old is he again?

He's 81. Man, how the fuck did your dad have you when he was like in his 50s? That's fucked up. He didn't. He fucking did. Lewis's mum did. Yeah, nobody. He fucking helped. Well, he was 45, 46.

Oh, right. So, yeah, I don't know. My dad's good. I like my dad a lot. He's the kindest soul. He's just a gentle guy. He's turned into a bit of an old man, though. He's getting a bit deaf,

and he's starting to turn towards being a bit of an old man. He's still sharp as a tack, though, when he needs to be, and he's very happy, very happy man all of his life. I'm not really jealous, I guess, but I'm, I'm kind of happy for him that he's had this, he doesn't really need anything. You know, he's quite happy bimbling around at home, you know, watering the plants, feeding the birds, kind of, you know, going in the garage. Jesus, this sounds like my life now. That's the scary thing. You know what, I do sometimes think, I look at someone like that, your dad is like like maybe let's say he's like 82 or whatever that's like twice my age so i'm literally halfway there like i'm literally halfway that's why they call it over the hill man yeah for real

like in when i but when i think about everything i've done in my life for 41 years that actually seems like quite a lot of shit like a lot of fucking stuff has happened since 1976 i mean 1970 fucking six yeah it was a long ass time ago it is it was and thinking and think of the last like 10 years specifically in your life what have you been doing playing lots of video games but i mean fucking 1976 was one year after Vietnam ended. Yeah. Right? To put it in historical context, the United States was 200 years old that year. Like, there was a huge celebration. I was too young to remember it.

I wasn't living in the States at the time. But, I mean, you look back at the 70s, and it looks like a completely different planet. Like, everybody's skinnier. Everybody's got more hair. It looks completely different yeah everybody's dressed kind of pretty basically it's like everything looks kind of cheap and shitty in a way yeah compared to now everything seems all flashy and fancy well then the 80s

came along and like everything was clunky and beige and and shitty looking as well it's all fucking the hair got bigger the clothes got weirder the music got awesomer and then uh and now we're here that's pretty much it as well the drugs got better too like you had cocaine and stuff in the 80s i mean now we got fucking crystal meth and shit oh shit did you watch that fucking louis theroux documentary about the the heroin addicts in i can't remember i think it was hunting i've been watching all of them the only one i missed i think was the uh scientology one i haven't seen that one yet i haven't i've only seen the the yeah his scientology movie i don't think i didn't think it was very good because there was there was a really good scientology movie that came out as well

super fucking cagey and they wouldn't talk to him ever because they sort of know who he is and they didn't want to look bad or whatever and they were very aware of but in a way that's interesting on its own like that that was interesting the way they interacted with him it was it was a good it was okay the heroin one was was was really shocking actually depressing it was one in four babies that are born in that area in huntington are born addicted to heroin one in in four. And it's all off the back of prescription drugs that they get hooked on. And when they can no longer get them,

then they resort to actually doing heroin, which is like, fuck me. That is crazy. That is so crazy. Talking about drugs, what about all this controversy about loot boxes, right? Okay. Yeah, that's a good one.

Nice segue. Nice segue, yeah. Because this is a loot boxes, right? Okay. That's a good one. Nice segue. Nice segue, yeah. Because this is a big thing, right? And it's been building up and building up and it keeps hitting the front page of Reddit. And I think that people, it's funny how the gaming industry, for a start, is very cutting edge, right?

Or at least we think it is because we get to see it. But just the gaming industry is much more hyper aware of moral kind of things, right? So, for example, I think movies, right? You watch any old movie, and I can't watch a modern Hollywood movie nowadays without seeing ads in it, right? So many movies have, like, Pepsi ads, Krispy Kreme ads, Dunkin' Donuts, literally in the fucking movies.

And I'm like, Jesus Christ. You know, if this was video games, could you imagine playing through a fucking AAA game like Call of Duty and walking past and the main character's like, hey, I could really do with an ice cold Sprite right now. Look, there's a Sprite machine over here.

Let's share a Sprite together. That's kind of like the bullshit. You do get that in Hollywood movies. Yeah, like if Mario desperately needed a Snickers bar, it would change everything. Yeah, his blood sugar was low. He was just feeling like he was getting angry and annoyed with Princess Peach,

and he just needed a pick-me-up. I need a pick-me-up for Snickers bar. I'm feeling mad. And again, like, anyway, but I feel a feeling a man. And again, like, anyway, so, but I feel like the game devs and also,

I mean, EA are largely even including this. They're still, despite what they appear to be, which is a big conglomerate run by a board of directors of 50-year-olds

who pretty much veto bad decisions, they still are making games with young people, youngish people making games. They young people youngish people making games they're hyper aware of what they're doing yeah and and obviously what they want to do is they just want to make good games they want to sell as many copies as possible they want to make

as much money as possible it's it's capitalism okay and obviously capitalism has existed for a long time and the role of government is to regulate unethical business practice really one of the major roles of what governments are supposed to do is clamp down on things that are giving people a negative experience, right? In terms of for their own health, for their own good, for the good of people. And I think that when these video games prey upon vulnerable people, or whales, let's say, as they call them,

that is basically gambling. iOS games are guilty of all this as well. The whole concept of a whale in these games is like... So what they're trying to say with this is that basically a lot of these games are supported by a small amount of people who spend a large amount of money. And this ties into what we said earlier. It can be more exploitive over people who are depressed

or do have mental illness as well. It's a very small percent of people, but sometimes they can be very, you know. Well, I think there's an article today, I think it was on PC Gamer, about Belgium potentially classifying battlefront 2 and overwatch as uh gambling uh they're thinking about doing it and i'm not sure it kind of is gambling it has the same addictive nature as gambling doesn't it it has there's that there's that really walking the line thing yeah where this is why it's so popular though right and it's why it's in every game it's it's because it because it's it's probably over the line reward thing yeah and this is why it's so popular though right and it's why it's in every game

it's because it's it's probably over the line if it's that addictive and that popular and you know it's definitely on that line and I can see why

but everyone's always going to walk the line it's like you know when P-Flax talked about how you know that casino

the Rostov Casino is set up on the German-Czech border you know so all the Germans come over to get their prostitution and gambling on even though it's illegal in their country, blah blah blah, you know, everything everyone always pushes the fucking

lines to the limit, don't they? and yeah, I think I think it's inevitable that we are going to see these things get regulated in some way but government is slow to move, and I've got a lot of complaints about this. I'm sorry.

I think the problem is the solution is a tricky one because some games, like honestly some games, having the loot boxes, which you pay and you spin and you get it, it's fine. I honestly think it's fine. If you look at something like Hearthstone, I think it's fine. Dota, I think it's fine. It honestly think it's fine. If you look at something like Hearthstone, I think it's fine. Dota, I think it's fine. It works because it's cosmetic. In most cases, you can earn the cards just by being good at the game. You know, you can still play the game and with Dota, it has no

effect. It's like you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on hats in Team Fortress or Dota or anything like that. Some people will. Some people will, that's for sure. I don't think Hearthstone is okay. Why don't you think it's okay? I think Hearthstone is okay. And I think it's okay in the sense that trading card games have existed for a long time. And the, you know, it's kind of the same as like sticker books and like Panini sticker packs. Remember those?

Right. They still do yeah you don't know what you're getting yeah you can still buy that you would often get doubles and stuff i think the thing that with hearthstone is that there's no ability to trade cards duplicate cards with your friends and stuff like that i feel like if they had something like that then it would be totally fine the fact is like all of these games stickers included trading card games magic all of that have been around for years and there's never really been much of a problem um in the fact that you get a pack of cards you don't know what's in that pack sometimes you'll get some really good sometimes

you won't or whatever but the way that hearthstone is designed is that there's always a handful of decks that are very very good and some of them cost a lot to craft in the first place. So to be competitive, you have to spend a ton of money in Hearthstone. Yeah, that's true. They often say of Hearthstone, the most important card in the game is your credit card. Which is true. No, it's so true, though.

Because a lot of these decks are expensive. If you want to be competitive, you want to play on the ladder and stuff, you need the cards to make these decks um they're not cheap to like make they're hard to find as well and they keep bringing out new cards right and that's the thing they have a new set every couple of months and if you if you're wanting to be competitive like i mean for streamers and stuff like that it's a little bit different they get given like a big bunch of packs of cards like at the start of expansion anyway plus for them to just buy cards and stuff they're doing it for a living so it's it's not like a huge thing if you're a casual player who you know works a normal job and you get home and you have a couple of hours to spare in the evening

and you're playing this game, to actually be competitive, you're looking at like, it's like 500 bucks per expansion or something stupid like that. You know, it's well far and beyond the price of a game or an expansion. Exactly. If Hearthstone literally had a price tag of 200 quid,

everyone would balk at that. But because it's not, it's kind of this insidious, more insidious kind of, it's free, but then you end up spending 200 quid. Yeah. It's kind of tough.

And I don't know, it's kind of easier to not realize that you're spending so much money. It's done in a more insidious way, I guess. It's kind of, but I understand why. I understand that,

you know, sometimes people want to earn stuff. And I think if you play Hearthstone all the time you never have to spend any money you know I know people who

basically have never really spent any money because they can they do the arena they do the quests every day and blah blah blah and then they end up

not having to pay for the expansion or whatever but I think it's very very close I think you have to do the quests every day you have to play a lot

and then here's the problem i think that people have with with with pay to win which battlefront and stuff like that is i mean it the game fucking costs a fortune in the first place so my that's one of my issues is if people are saying it's unfair don't buy the game like literally that's the best the best way to change this is to not buy the game yeah don't buy the game and complain about it don't buy the fucking game if you disagree with with the way it's done the thing is if some people still go ahead and do it EA are going to keep doing this people are going to keep doing it so I think you can raise the issue and say by the way if you buy this game this is what's going to

happen and you're going to have to pay all this money to unlock this out and the other and EA have certainly you know made made some noises like they're going to do something about it like didn't they change the amount it takes to to grind up but then it turned out you earned less from the quests or whatever so it's they've obviously got themselves stuck in a situation where they spent a fortune developing this game it's got a very high price point and they're expecting to make a fucking fortune off it and this is the best they could come up with. But we were saying, like, all they have to do is have cosmetics. Like, you can play all the heroes, you have all the weapons or whatever.

But if you want to have the cool Stormtrooper armor, or if you want your TIE Fighter to be Darth Vader's TIE Fighter instead of a basic TIE Fighter, or you want your lightsaber to be rainbow-colored, or you want your lasers to be red instead of green or whatever, you can buy that. Yeah. People will fucking go for it. I mean, look at fucking, what's it called? or you want your lasers to be red instead of green or whatever, you can buy that. People will fucking go for it.

I mean, look at fucking, what's it called? Overwatch. Yeah, Overwatch. It's all cosmetic shit. It is. It is all cosmetic. There's no hero unlocks. There's nothing like that in Overwatch, to be fair. Yeah.

And so I think I'm much less worried about that. Yeah. The fact that you can buy these boxes, though, does tap into people's, like, you know, some of them, some of the events that are run only run for a certain amount of time, okay? So if you're in a spot in your life where you're not able to actively play, because it's quite easy to actually get these boxes for free if you play for a couple

hours a day or whatever but let's say the halloween event runs for two weeks um and you you just haven't been able to play that much and there's going to be a there's there's about 10 or 15 skins that are exclusive to that event which are unobtainable after that event so you have to either play a lot during the event or buy loot boxes in hopes of getting them. I like what you just said, which is really, really interesting. You said you don't have to play very much, just a couple of hours a day, right? If you did anything else for a couple of hours a day,

like if you played the piano for a couple of hours a day or wrote a book, you would fucking make so much progress in your life, whereas Overwatch, you just need to do that as the bare minimum to get your you know get your game on and like you know and I think it's it taps into

other areas of our personality too right and these games also do have other things other than loot boxes like EA on this Battlefront 2 it has some

some cooldowns so you have to like wait for three hours before you can play arcade mode again and get any credits off that again do you know what I mean

it's got all of these other stupid shit that's in mobile games it's like oh yeah you've run out of stamina. Come back tomorrow and use your stamina. That sounds terrible.

Or you could buy more stamina now. It's like, it's bullshit. It's like, it's got all of that shit in and it's a contagion of devices

that have been found to be addictive and it's creeping into common AAA games. Like, it used to be i guess stuck to mobile games but mobile games i think are even more exploitative because they're they're played more by by you know casually i mean that the word casual i mean certainly doesn't describe two hours of overwatch a day but you think it might say oh i'm not i'm a casual over

i play a couple of hours a day yeah that is like that is like a lot of hours a day that's not casual yeah yeah at all that's definitely more time than i spend masturb hours a day. That is like a lot of hours a day. That's not casual at all. That's definitely more time than I spend masturbating a day, that's for sure. I don't know. It's less time than I'd like to spend masturbating. I wish I had the stamina to masturbate for about two hours a day. That'd be great.

Two hours a day? If you spent two hours a day smashing up that car outside your front door and slowly eating it. I'd fuck a Spitfire. That's what I'd do. I'd fuck it too, yeah. Fuck that Spitfire. I think it was a Cessna. I don't think it was a

Spitfire. I couldn't find it when I googled it originally. I think it was a Cessna. As a thank you to all of our brave boys back in World War II today, I am fucking a Spitfire. That's what I did on Remembrance Sunday. Oh my god. Fuck the plane. Oh god damn it. I went to Remembrance Sunday. I thought it was... Oh, my God. Fuck the plane. Oh, God, damn it.

So I went to Remembrance Sunday. My kids are in the brownies and the rainbows and stuff. So they marched along... The rainbows? Yeah, yeah. That's like the one below brownies. Oh, right. Okay.

So it's like for the boys, it goes beavers, cubs, scouts, venture scouts, right? Oh, I didn't even know there was anything above Scouts I thought that was like the top of the pile I think they call it something other than Venture Scouts now it's got some other name

but anyway so for the girls it goes Rainbows Brownies Guides and then whatever there is after that

Girl Guides right no the Guides is the Girl Guides right it depends on it depends on the country yeah yeah this is UK

okay and in fact this might just be england i don't know what they do in in the colonies so we've got the rainbows which is very sweet they've got the uniform and they do all this stuff and it's quite light they just play and then the brownies they start doing badges and they have like a sash and all this kind of shit but i thought it was quite funny we marched along with service personnel and veterans and like this band. And I'm like, why are we, and I remember when I was a cub, we did the same thing.

Why are we associated with people who've served in war and like the armed forces and people that wear a uniform and have, you know, they're veterans, they've been in the trenches or they've been, you know, they've flown a spitfire that someone hasn't eaten. They've done all this. And then you've got a bunch of girls from the brownies and the rainbows marching with them as well and i thought it was kind of weird but then i thought about the fact that a lot of the lot of this kind of stuff started off not as a kind of pallid paramilitary thing for kids

but as a way to prepare them for the military right hitler't the Hitler Youth is basically what you're trying to say. It's just kind of weird to see. You've got all these guys with all their medals, some real old lads, some guys who've obviously been in a war and suffered an injury, and then you've got my daughters in the brownies and the rainbows marching all behind them like, yay, remember Sunday? I'm like, it's kind of weird, but it was kind of sweet. Well, it's very good, though.

Like, it's a very – I remember being in the Scouts, and obviously, like, Baden-Powell founded it, and he was a classic English upper class. Well, well, well, well, well. Well, boys must learn some discipline.

Go play in the dirt and find the enemy for me, son. Yeah, that kind of stuff. He was a classic mad, mad old Englishman. But, I mean, they love it. They absolutely love it. And, I mean, they kind of...

When we did the remembrance thing, we're all lining up. It was very solemn. It was quite moving. You know, it was And I mean, they kind of, when we did the remembrance thing, we're all lining up. It was very solemn. It was quite moving. You know, the weather was fucking shocking, which everybody was kind of stoic in the face of this freezing wind and rain, which was good to see.

And we were all lined up and everything. But like you were talking just before we started recording about how little kids at around two, two and a half, they become absolute monsters, right? There's this one fucking kid in a pushchair who's just losing his shit

and everyone, it's just during the two minute silence, everybody is silent, like everybody. It's like completely silent in Twickenham and there's this one kid just screaming, who am I? Like he wanted something. It's like somebody shut that fucking kid up. Like the parent is just going like, just trying to shut him up.

Oh, it's horrible. It's just the worst thing. A little old veteran with a missing leg rolls over to the kid in his wheelchair, gently leans in. I didn't fight for this. Yeah, exactly. I take it back. Shut the hell up, you little shit.

I take my service back. I wish I hadn't saved you. Yeah. I wish I'd let Jerry stop all over this God-forsaken country. Hitler wouldn't have allowed this crying, I tell you that. Oh, fuck their nightmares when they're two, though. Shit me. There's no reasoning with them.

There's none. No, there's none. No reasoning. They have an idea in their mind. And if it doesn't go completely according to plan, they just fucking melt down. And that is it. And so you're constantly just trying to prevent them from melting down. So you're just trying to pacify them at all times.

Yeah. Skirt around them and stuff. Get their mind off whatever it was that they decided that they were going to do like they're fixated on putting their like tongue into a wall socket yeah and the minute minute you try to take them away from that they just fucking go nuts because they have no emotional capacity or no way of sort of dealing with anything yeah um and then so the only way that you can realistically get them away from that is by sort of dealing with anything yeah um and then so the only way that you can realistically get them away from that is by sort of showing them something that's more interesting so that's when

you sort of like start huffing gas out of your car and hope that they come away from the socket come over to the car and then you have to sort of convince them that that's not the best idea so it's just like a it's just like this really sinister game of like you're just running running from uh pillar to post trying to entertain a fucking arsehole is basically it's crazy isn't it so you you're two year old i mean are you just like a big super clown at the moment do you like just dance well so the other day i came into the house okay and like sometimes i don't like going into the house at the best of times but i had to okay i had to go to the bathroom i was out here in the garage i was streaming i was playing some xcom i

was having a nice time and stuff and uh we got to like a natural point in the game where i was like okay listen i gotta take a break i gotta go to the bathroom so in i went put the stream on pause put some music on for the boys and uh went in went in to do my business, open the door and everybody's home, right? My son, my daughter and my wife are all in the kitchen and they're getting ready to go outside. My wife wanted to like go outside and put some stuff on the washing line. We have a trampoline. So the kids were going to go play on the trampoline and stuff. I mean, even going out into the garden seems like it's going to be like a long process to get ready for okay so that's amazing i walk into the house at this point in time okay and my wife's like oh we were just about to go

outside i'm gonna go put some stuff on the line and kids are gonna jump on the trampoline and my son was just like going nuts like dancing around the kitchen he was excited and stuff and my daughter was like pretty excited as well but you could see that she was just in the corner getting really fucking frustrated about something. So I looked down and she's got rubber boots on, but they're on the wrong feet and she knows it. And she's about to have a fucking meltdown. OK, so it's like, oh, you know, let me help you with that. So, you know, I went in, got on my knee, got right right down there to help her. I was just reaching towards a rubber boot

to help her and she was like getting increasingly agitated by this okay just starts going nuts and slapped me in the face so fucking hard it was crazy so i just got up and i was like well fuck i bitterly regret coming into my own house at this point now i almost just went went right back outside and and pissed in a shrub. But instead, I just like stormed upstairs and went to the bathroom. She's just like a mother. My wife got like really mad at our baby. She slapped you the other way.

No, no, she didn't. She was like, oh, my goodness. And then, you know, we had the whole thing about like how it's so difficult to do simple things and stuff. Because like, you know, the kids are having a meltdown and everything. So we had to put my daughter in her bed for five minutes, you know, to sort of say like, it's not right to hit people and you shouldn't be having a meltdown just because you put your boots on the wrong feet in the first place and stuff. And so she was crying the whole time. She doesn't like being put in her bed. She knows like, she knows when she's

been bad. This is the hilarious thing. Okay. She has no ability to cope with anything whatsoever, but she knows when she's been bad and that makes her frustrated as well. And she gets all upset and everything. So the whole thing is just like a big shit storm brewing at all times. And we really have to just be careful and delicately tiptoe around my daughter, like for the time being until she's about three. And then things sort of even out a little bit. They're more reasonable and stuff. They have less tantrums.

But yeah, they call it terrible twos for a reason. And holy shit. Yeah, they do. Man, they are bad. Can I just make one teeny tiny suggestion? I hate, I'm not trying to backseat parent. It's just a suggestion. Okay.

When you're putting hers in in like a the naughty step kind of area yeah don't make it somewhere where you actually want her to stay at other times oh yeah i know i mean like putting her in her bed is is to me is not a great idea like we use we just to put it's not a great idea but to put it in context i think in her life we've done it twice okay and and it's just because there's nowhere else to put her because we can't force her to like sit on a step or anything like that you should just get up and my my my son will just come over and like make fun of her and stuff no no you've got it like the step is the key because the point is it's not somewhere you ever want them to sit you

be watching super nanny haven't you no no dude i i naughty step i naughty stepped my kids until quite recently they don't need it anymore like they genuinely don't now i just sort of send them away go go to your room like i don't want to talk well they're like seven and five aren't they right right but the point is when they were little the step was the big thing and it does take some time and it's quite a lot of hard work to get them to to get it but eventually every time they get off you just say right that's another two minutes and it old they are that's how long to have to stay there because two minutes to a two-year-old is fucking eternity yeah so you do you've just got to be consistent with it but it does work it really fucking works we barely ever um well like like rarely rarely have to punish our kids

like i think i've sent my son to his room once. Yeah. And it was just because he was just like adding fuel to the fire where my daughter was just like having a meltdown as well. He was like teasing her and stuff. Yeah, that's the worst. And we were both pretty mad at him. Yeah. So we sent him to his room. But for the most part, just the threat of punishment is enough for my kids, which is great. Yeah, no, it really is.

And with my daughter, she doesn't really understand. Like sometimes we threaten her. We say, you're going is. And with my daughter, she doesn't really understand. Like we, sometimes we threaten her. We say, you're going to go to your bed and she'll like, and she'll stop or whatever. But actually the most effective threat for my daughter is we say that we're going to go

get somebody else's baby and bring them over and change them and stuff instead. And she gets jealous and then she complies. It's amazing. Yeah, it's so funny. So like, we know, like, obviously through like school and stuff, we know other moms.

We know their kids and stuff like that. So like, you know, we'll be like, all right, come and lay down and have your diaper changed. She'd be like, no. She'd start running away and be like, all right, well, I'm going to go ask Henry's mommy if Henry can come over and have his diaper changed then. You're not going to like it when Jessica's like, yeah. She's just like you're not gonna like it when she's like she completely just like oh i don't want that to happen she comes over and lays down it's hilarious she doesn't even know why like she doesn't know why she just knows that henry is not coming over to have his diaper change not when there's another baby in the house it's so funny

and then with my son now as well it's so easy because if he's if he's acting up or whatever because because we have a switch and we got mario odyssey and he fucking loves it okay like he gets so excited when we play it and stuff even like the mention of it like yesterday my wife went out for the evening like to see a movie with one of her friends like the rare occasion she actually ever gets to do something like um with other adults and not with kids or whatever so i was babysitting uh and when i but i babysit it's like again you're constantly tiptoeing around like these potential meltdowns and stuff so i just i let them both stay up because i thought there's no way i'm putting them to bed because it's just going to be a shit show or whatever they can just stay up so earlier

in the day i said to my son you know mom's going to be going to a movie tonight you want to play some mario later and he's like even then holy shit he almost lost it like he almost shit his pants he was so excited like we were walking outside at the time and then like uh he's just like so excited to play but it's great because now i can be like, if ever there's any trouble, I can be like, well, I know you like Mario and it'd be a real shame if you never got to play it again. She's just like completely straight away like, oh, I better stop doing this. Yeah, I use the Xbox as a threat a lot.

My kids have an Xbox, they play Minecraft on it and they play Stardew Valley on it and stuff. And the other week, my eldest was being, she was being an absolute bitch if i'm honest with you she was being really unpleasant and uh i was like all right if you keep doing this when we get home i'm gonna take the xbox out into the garden and smash it with a hammer and i'm gonna make you watch me do it and i said and my wife is nodding like he'll do it he will do it and i would a hundred percent do it yeah because they were they were dicking around before remembrance sunday right

they were kind of clowning around. And I said, like, before we went out, I said, if you guys mess around today, of all days, if we're out there and I have to tell you guys off because you're messing around, you won't shut up, you're dancing around or whatever, I am going to smash that Xbox One to pieces. And I would have done it with joy because I'm a PC master race. I hate consoles anyway. So it wouldn't have been a problem.

But I would have made them watch. They both knew. They looked into my eyes. They were testing. Is he joking? Is he serious? Fucking 100%. They could see.

This guy is crazy. He's crazy enough to do it. He's got that look in his eyes. He's going to do it. And they did. They were gold. But the thing is, they have to learn this.

They're a blank slate. They have to learn what their boundaries can be and how far they can push it. Because that's what you do when They're a blank slate. They have to learn what their boundaries can be and how far they can push it. Because that's what you do when you're a kid. You want to know how far you can push things. Because all you want to do is clown around and do dumb shit and you have to push it and push it and push it

and see how far they let you take it. Yeah, they all do it. That's it. It's just a part of... They have to learn their boundaries. How else do you know the boundaries of society unless you've grown up being told what they are? It's part of their learning experience, even though they might be acting out and all this stuff. It's part of their education.

It's as important as everything else. When you're an adult, if you're at work and you're in your business suit and you're playing up or whatever and your boss isn't happy with it, he's not going to smash your Xbox. He's going to smash your wife. He's going to smash your good. He's going to smash it good.

And then what are you going to do? So you have to learn to not clown around too much in life because it's just not the point you want to be at. You'll get your wife smashed. You're going to get your wife smashed up. We're doing a very serious podcast here, guys. This is some very serious stuff. Can you imagine if your boss called you into his office?

He was like, Chris, not been happy with your sales figures in the last quarter. And the quarter before that, actually, it was bad. I see a downward trend. We're very unhappy. So I brought your wife in here. I'm going to fuck her right in the pussy, and you're going to watch me. And you're looking at him in the eyes, and you know he's deadly serious. And she's looking at you like he's right Chris

he's right consider this a performance review oh my god that would be something else the threat of it would be enough we wouldn't need the wife to be right there I'll fuck your wife in this office you'll have to watch me

I'll bring my sales figures up please so I missed The Apprentice this week, chaps. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see it. Yeah, I mean, I watched the one last week. Did I tell you guys? I told you guys about the one last week with the tour guide and stuff like that. You did, yeah.

I did not watch it this week, sadly, so I don't know what's happened. We're going to watch it tonight, apparently. Cool story, bro. It was out last night. Yeah, so I'll have to keep you guys updated on The Apprentice next week instead for the Triforce podcast. Oh, you know what? Talking of The Apprentice, right? And talking of like, like bringing on a sort of bringing people in as an apprentice, or perhaps as a guest. This is a cheap segue, but I wanted to do it. I was in the pub the other night. And

someone said to me, they really wanted to be on the Triforce podcast. And I thought, we've only ever had one guest. It was Duncan last Christmas, right? He wasn't even really invited. He was just there. He was just there. But I thought, if we did a Triforce Live over Christmas, we could have a guest in. Just as a once annual thing, we get a guest in.

Yeah, I'd be up for that. Yeah. We could try to do one over Christmas. have a guest in just as a once annual thing we get a we get a guest in yeah i'd be up for that yeah it was it was it was shin shin basically begged me to be on the triforce why though why does he want to be in it so much he just does i mean i know i know terps desperately wants to be in the triforce podcast but this is being everything terps he loves he loves it he's a very sociable man he's got a lot this is an. This is an elite crew, though. We can't be having regular guests. That's the thing. I feel like when people are desperate, it turns me off. It just, you know, like I feel like, you know what?

No, now. I'm thinking not even annually. Let's just keep it tight, boys. We don't need anyone else on our podcast. There's no voting here we all agree or it doesn't happen it's an exclusive in my opinion it's an exclusive club and honestly i think if we're gonna get any guests on we should get like like real like outside guests though i've said this before like let's try to get conan o'brien on our podcast that would be

hilarious yeah that would be amazing like let's get somebody like who we've never spoken to before so we'd have some fresh questions for them and stuff and it would be like really good fucking we see Shin every day I love the guy but man like I don't know what I'm gonna talk to him about like yeah literally I don't know what you're gonna talk to us about Christ yeah but we that's the standard of our conversations we talk about whatever comes into our head and and that's that if you had a guest they they better be fucking astounding as a guest yeah that's what i'm saying like i mean so one of the other things i did this week was i listened to a podcast uh called dirty john right um so it's a little bit like shit town did you ever listen to that podcast i've heard heard of Shit Town, yeah. It's quite good.

You told me about it, I think. Yeah, it's a short eight or nine episode kind of true crime, true life sort of podcast done pretty well done. It's like a one-off. It feels to me like a bumper news article in the form of kind of, or a small documentary in the form of an audio book sort of thing. And it's, they're usually quite long,

like longer than a documentary. A documentary would be like an hour and a half of the highlights. And this one's, it's often like lots of interviews with people, lots of chatting with real people who were there at the time. And they work harder to build up the character and like why he was so weird or whatever. And man, it was a good podcast. I recommend you check it out.

If you haven't listened to S-Town or Dirty John, check them out. They're a good podcast. It's about this guy who kind of gets involved with this woman. But he's just this most prolific bullshitter um and just just weird and and just horrible and man it's it's cool it's it's a cool it's a cool story and it's pretty scary but i like it i like i like this true crime stuff i like watching these movies i've been watching um the sinner on netflix as well any good because people were talking about it last night in the pub and i i hadn't i'd seen it i know m Because people were talking about it last night in the pub

and I hadn't, I'd seen it. I know Mrs. F is starting to watch it, but what's the dillio? It's, well, I don't want to sort of spoil it really in a way. The thing is, sometimes if you read these synopsis of stuff, they tend to spoil something at the start. Do you know what I mean? The first episode is almost fair game for spoilers for like the the blurb um but it's like just give me give me someone is it

even is it set in space is it set in the past are they are they well you recommended you you recommended top of the lake to me remember no i didn't no i didn't recommend it i said i said i've been trying to watch it and it's really fucking hard to enjoy. Top of the Lake, is that the one with Peggy Olsen from Mad Men in it? I enjoyed that. Yeah, I don't like the look of that one. The characters, I can't fucking understand half the decisions these characters

make. Their reactions to what's happening around them, I'm like, are they scared? Is this a good or bad thing? Do they feel anything? There's so little acting going on that I can recognize as, okay, I can kind of understand what this person is thinking.

Like there's one scene where she goes to this house in the middle of the fucking woods and she suspects that this guy has committed murder. She just goes alone. Just turns up. I know what you mean.

What the fuck is she doing? This is like, like you know a horror movie but she displays no fear at all throughout this entire ordeal it's just kind of a thing that happens and then she's just down the pub and i'm like what the fuck is going on it's it doesn't make sense the characters don't make sense to me like i was reading this thing about alien the original alien movie and about how the carrot one of the best bits about it was that the characters make decisions that you would understand as reasonable for them to make at the time. They are scared of the alien.

They're doing their best against the alien. But at the end of the day, they don't make bad decisions. It's just more powerful than them and smarter and clever. It killed my entire crew in less than 24 hours. Yeah, it's just more powerful than them and smarter and clever and it fucking it killed my entire crew in less than 24 hours yeah it's an alien it's a proper predator

they weren't prepared whereas you look at like the latest film like Covenant you know name a character in the latest alien movie you know

it's impossible because it's just so Sigourney Weaver she's not it no of course she isn't she's not called Sigourney Weaver either is she in flipping, she's not called Sigourney Weaver either, is she?

In flipping the latest one. I saw Sigourney Weaver recently in an episode of Doc Martin on ITV. Don't ask me why I was watching Doc Martin. But there she fucking was. She was the typical American Lost in a small English village Didn't know what she was doing Was kind of having some troubles with the locals and stuff What the fuck happened to Sigourney Weaver though?

I mean you don't see her in much Nothing man, she's just aging She's just getting on with it She's like 17 She did that voiceover in Finding Dory Hi, I'm Sigourney Weaver. Welcome to Aqualand or whatever it was called. Remember that?

She was in that. All right, so she was in four movies in 2012, including Cabin in the Woods. Then she did nothing in 2013. She was in one thing in 2014. She was retired. She's like my mum's age. She doesn't want to be doing movies.

She's not fucking retired. She doesn't want to be doing movies she doesn't need to do anything she could just she could just go to comic con and sign stuff and she's fine she was in she was for instance she's lined up to be in avatar 2 and 3 which apparently are coming out so the thing is now she's like a she's she's like a known sort of like sci-fi actress, right? So now that she's like in her 60s, she's going to have like the Mon Mothma role in future sci-fi movies, right? She's not going to be like the hero or anything. She's going to be like the motherly sort of like elder sage sort of person, right?

So she'll be an avatar too too but she'll probably be like the head of the un or something like that you know what i mean like she'll have like she would she voiced her like ripley in the alien isolation game she voiced she did the voiceover in that like did you know that there are going to be four more avatar movies fuck me there's avatar two and three are filming at the moment one was i one was, I don't know. Actually, I saw the first one one time in the movie theaters, and it was okay. I don't remember much of it.

This is what they've announced. They've announced that four movies are being made, Avatar 2, 3, and then two more. The 2 and 3 are filming at the moment and are being released before Christmas, so December 18th, 2020, and December 17th, 2021. Yeah.

Right? And then the two other ones will be released in December 2024 and 2025. God. I mean, advertise the movie about being in the distant future anyway. That's a timeline, yeah. That is a fucking hell of a timeline.

Jeez. It's like eight, nine years planned out. Do you know what? I reckon they planned all this shit out when big blockbuster sci-fi was a thing. Yeah. Like, now, because of Blade Runner 2049's, frankly, disastrous box office performance

compared to what they thought they'd make, right? It cost a fortune to make a market. It was a great movie. It was amazing. I loved it. But they needed to make 400 million dollars to fucking break even on that show oh god okay i gotta see that actually it's great is it really really good yeah yeah i'll tell you what i saw recently that i i just didn't see for whatever

reason i saw um matt damon's the martian what do you think i fucking liked it a lot it was good wasn't it i thought it was good wasn't it i thought it was really good yeah it was just it was just a cool idea for a movie it was it was one of those it was a very famous book i read the book when it came out a couple years ago it was a good book it was well known the book though all right okay i didn't realize it was based on a book but anyway i thought it was perfect for movie format because it the story was sort of simple enough to fit into two hours you know what i mean sometimes movies feel a bit rushed it was a well-done movie and i think we're a bit spoiled now with these long ass like um uh drama series

like hbo netflix and stuff yeah we expect everything to be fucking everything in minute detail and go on forever and stuff well this is what I was talking about with the podcast, you know, because I really like that long form thing. And a movie has to be something crammed in. And that's why Mad Max, I think, was such a good movie because it was just one big action. Fury Road was fucking awesome.

Holy shit, I love that. Mad Max, best movie, one of my best movies of all time. And also the latest Thor Ragnarok is really good as well. Oh, it's so good. Oh, it's really good? Yeah, it's amazing.

It's like going on a roller coaster. Oh, fuck. It's fun. Okay, cool. I'll check that out.ok's really good as well. Oh, it's so good. Oh, it's really good? Yeah, it's amazing. It's like going on a roller coaster. Oh, fuck. Okay, cool. I'll check that out. It's really fun. But it's fucking funny. It's like a comedy more than an action movie. It's so funny.

But it's directed by the Flight of the Conchords guy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right. Okay. Jermaine Clement. No, no, not one of the main guys. He was the guy who directed Flight of the Conchords. Oh, right. Him. Okay, okay. He's been in a few things, but he's very funny. He was the guy who directed Flight of the Conchords. Oh, right, him.

Okay, okay. He's been in a few things, but he's very funny. He's got a character in the movie. So it's weird because you're watching this Marvel Universe and suddenly there's a rock guy called Korg who's probably the standout character of the whole film, honestly. And he just has this very normal Kiwi voice. He's like, hi, my name's Korg.

I'm a maid of rock. He's just this guy. Nice. It's just funny. Thor is kind of a clowny character in it rather than being this brooding superhero type he's just like a goofy guy it doesn't take itself seriously and that makes it very very good I mean Deadpool was very good too I enjoyed that yeah yeah that was another one that didn't take itself seriously at all, which was pretty cool. Absolutely. So, yeah, I'll check that out. I'm not usually big into superhero movies. Like, a lot of them just don't appeal to me at all.

No, me neither. Me neither. I really didn't like Doctor Strange. What? It's really good, though. Doctor Strange was really good. I didn't like Doctor Strange. I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy 2, though.

That was good. But Thor Ragnarok. Check it out. It's worth a look. I think I'm going back to L.A. in a couple of weeks for things. So I'll have some time to watch movies on the flight. Yeah, I feel like with Netflix, long-form series and other sort of ways that we digest content now,

especially with Netflix and stuff, it feels like movies have to be more of a rollercoaster experience. I think that they are becoming that. I think that movies that try to adapt too much source material into a small area end up fucking it up. Yeah. And so it turns out to not be great. But The Martian, I think it did it okay.

I think it was pretty good. It was written by an engineer, I think. I think it was pretty good it was written by like an engineer I think I think it was written by I think the guy was on fucking Reddit or something wasn't he and he posted it in stages and bits and it was like published a few chapters at a time and he kind of basically self published this book that was

a big hit but you know the weird thing is I read about how much he got paid I think for the rights to the movie and you always I always assume if you've written a book that's like a massive hit and somebody decides to make a movie of it you're gonna make a shitload of money yeah but you really don't no like the guy like unless unless you're like jk rowling or something you don't really make a guy who wrote the um the guy who wrote the witcher books like his royalties off the back of the witcher were like pit like pennies like he basically didn't get paid anything.

It's weird. I read this article. He just thought video games were dumb. He didn't realize the industry was as big as it was. He wasn't confident that the studio was going to make anything worth anything. So he sold the rights for like $60,000 or something like that. Now The Witcher is just like this multi-million dollar franchise yeah if I'm ever in that position I want a percentage I want to fucking yeah hell yeah well that just goes to show if you're out there and you're writing something right now make sure that you go for a percentage based cut a lot

of people just they'll just be like, no, we don't do that. And they'll just go do something else. I'm sure I've said this before, but on the topic of royalties, like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Seinfeld, all still massively in syndication everywhere. You know, every time an episode of those shows is aired,

they get paid. That blows my fucking mind. Like fucking Larry David still to this day is getting seinfeld money yeah that is so cheap to make as well they were like the cheapest things the world to make it was like a couple of sets a couple of cameras like like it was just cash money like honestly like there was no it wasn't 300 million dollars to make fucking seinfeld was it you kidding me no No. Jesus. I bet if you added up the cost of every episode

of Seinfeld and all the everything it was not even going to come close to $300 million to make all that. Fuck me. That's part of the reason why they could end up

paying people so much. Towards the end of Friends they were saying each of the cast members was getting a million dollars an episode. It's because they never fucking do anything else

with the budget. It's like three fucking sets and just that's it yeah they never have to like except for that one time where they went to the uk for like phoebe's wedding or something worst episode chandler's wedding or something that's probably they had to have some budget for that one but you know what i was i was my kids actually quite like friends now so if we stuck for something to watch it's always fucking on right so i have to stick friends i was like here watch this and i was like man friends why the fuck would i want to watch that i actually laughed my ass off at a joke the other day where joey right you know joey yeah he says uh well there's no point talking about it it's a moo point and they're like a moo point because yeah you know like a cow's opinion it doesn't matter and i was like that's fucking funny like that is

funny uh that's a classic is that such a classic thing obviously like you could tell that stuff like that is just from the writer's room like they've you know someone someone's like i knew a guy who said this like this it's a classic misheard, isn't it? There's tons of those as well. Man, that's a good one. It's funny how back in the 80s, I remember growing up, and I guess this is the case for us now with shows like Frasier, Seinfeld, stuff that's still kicking around that was on a long time ago. But I remember in the 80s when I was growing up,

my dad used to watch probably the same way that I watch Frasier now occasionally. Like if it's on, I'll have it on. I'll chuckle to it or whatever. But he used to watch like fucking Leave it to Beaver and I Dream of Jeannie and stuff like that. Because those were like the big shows that he grew up watching. Yeah, they were the friends of Seinfeld at the time. They were huge at the time. And then they were still massively in syndication like in the 80s in daytime tv like

the monsters the adams island yeah gilligan's islands all the oldies yeah there's no adult humor there there's nothing dangerous you know if your five-year-old watches it it's not going to be a problem you know they're they're very much sitcom family shows that are yeah just there's nothing wrong with them you know and that's that's that's it's okay it's it's not it not like it challenges you, but it doesn't have to sometimes. It's like bread. It's like white rice. Remember Roseanne? That show was fucking awesome.

I don't know if they show it. They never show it on TV over here anyway. They do from time to time. They did recently. Channel 4 ran the whole series of Roseanne again. It is such a fucking good show, man. There's definitely a cutoff for that show, though. When the lottery that show just became total fucking garbage but so here's a show here's a show sips do you remember a show called soap soap soap it rings a bell actually

it was like it was prime time was a huge show uh in the the late 70s early 80s it was it was massive right absolutely massive um and it showed it was it was nuts i watched some of it recently in the late 70s, early 80s. It was massive, right? Absolutely massive. And it was nuts. I watched some of it recently. It's fucking terrible. But at the time, it was like this huge sort of, it was like a big fucking deal.

But you watch it now, it's like awful. Absolutely awful. So like you said about those shows that age, Soap doesn't get fucking rerun. You know what I what i mean i remember growing up there's a couple of shows that really stand out where i remember my parents would were watching them and i'm sure that like there was a lot of fuss around them but i was too young to really realize like at the time uh dallas was one of them i remember i remember dallas just was like on all the time it was

fucking huge my mom watched it or something but like i remember it remember dallas just was like on all the time it was huge my mom watched it or something but like i remember it being like it was a really big deal and then i distinctly remember the theme music from the original twin peaks as well when that came out i think my parents must have watched it and a lot of people were like talking about it at the time and stuff and um it was only like years later that like i picked up a box set for it because it was like i was reading some reviews on it and you know everybody was like going nuts about it saying how awesome it was and stuff so i picked it up i didn't know like what to expect and then the opening music started i was like oh

fuck this is crazy my parents used to fucking watch this when i was like really small and like i remember this music and i never knew what it was for sort of thing it was just like one of those moments where like it all makes sense sort of thing yeah it's really strange but yeah yeah it's really weird i guess so like so now like now we're watching these old well old shows like seinfeld and fraser and stuff the same way that our parents watch like those other old ass shows that probably nobody watches anymore like when was the last time you saw the monsters on tv god i don't think anybody watches yeah not a thing or gilligan's island i mean if it's black and white it's gonna be a bit a bit risky

i think people just turn off because it's black and white but there are some black and white movies that are like incredibly worth watching like 12 angry men and stuff um old episodes of coronation street yeah holy crap well let's let's let's end the podcast here on a random watching like 12 Angry Men and stuff. Old episodes of Coronation Street. Yeah. Holy crap. Well, let's end the podcast here on a random time. Before we leave, we're on Sex Pest Watch 2017. 2017 has claimed another victim.

I don't know if you guys have heard about poor Louis C.K. now. He's not the victim, dude. he's got the victim dude problems exposing himself and masturbating in front of women now apparently so he's had all of his careers in the toilet now all of his movies and shows have been canceled and stuff so that's another another he was literally not a victim i know i know but yeah it's claimed another, it's another scalp. It's claimed another person. Yeah. It's it's it anyway. That is,

that is fucking nuts of all the people. It is nuts, isn't it? Yeah. I never thought that Louis CK would be next on the chopping block, but there you go. So, do you know what,

you know what the selfish thing I feel about this stuff is? I'm always like, I'm not thinking, man, I hope some more people haven't been abused. The selfish part of me is saying, please don't let it be someone that I know or someone that I really admire. Like, please, please don't let it be Eddie Howe, the Bournemouth manager. You know, he's a really good manager.

Please don't let me know that Eddie Howe has been touching the kids. Please don't let Liz Hurley be like a serial sex pest. No, I'd fucking take that. Liz Hurley? Are you kidding me? That gives me a shot. That gives me a chance. I'd just hang around with her, look a little drunk.

I'll wake up at a party with Liz Hurley on top of me. You want this, don't you? I was like, yes! I do, Liz! Come on! I'm just saying. I mean, Lucy Kay, I kind of I remember reading this thing before that someone wrote about him, which was like, I think it was a female person was in his writer's room. And he just, you know.

A female person, wow. A female writer, like, had been in his writer's room. And he'd been like a complete asshole to her or something like this. So I think like, I was a bit on the fence about Louis C.K. before, after I read all that stuff. I sort of thought, yeah, he does strike me as the kind of guy who might actually be a bit of a problem. But man, I mean...

Dude, so is there any coming back from this stuff, though? Yeah, I think so. Do you know what? Because I think people really like Louis C.K. I think also he's funny enough to think of a way to come back and apologize and still be funny. I don't know, though. He'll have to talk about it.

He'll have to talk about it. Richard Pry prior coming back after lighting himself on fire in a in a cocaine haze is funny okay like it's self-deprecating enough to be fucking hilarious okay and the thing is like what he was doing was well you know pretty controversial i suppose like at the time or whatever but you know what i mean it didn't it was he he was the one who was affected it was him doing it to himself yeah right and i suppose that that's a lot more understandable than somebody claiming victims through their behavior like left right and center sort of

thing so i don't know i i'm not sure i agree i don't know if he does come back from this i reckon he comes back i mean he'll definitely be tainted for the rest of this ralph harris ain't coming back you know what i mean there's no way that dude's going to do Animal Hospital again oh fuck me man imagine serving time at the age of 80 like fuck me that's crazy what the hell it all caught up to him in the end

Rolf and his stupid fucking saw bending music boomerang shaped dick are we going do play every podcast with a new sex pest watch the way things

are going they're getting caught left right and center so it gives us something concrete well that's

the joy let's have a little prediction who do we think it's gonna be little predictions I don't think we can do this

this is gonna get us into trouble that's certainly gonna get us into trouble we're gonna have to bleep that alright we're going, everyone. Thank you very much.

Goodbye. Bye. Have a good one. See you later. Bye.