Triforce! - Triforce! #63: Too Lazy to Fight

Episode Date: March 14, 2018

Triforce! Episode 63! Sips is too lazy to fight for his beliefs, Pyrion tried Star Wars VR and Lewis is a rage machine!   Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Coming at you from Bristol, where the snow has melted. Yeah. Thank God. It's all gone. And London, where I guess the the snow has melted. Yeah. Thank God. It's all gone. And London, where I guess the same situation has happened. Yes. And Jersey, of course.

Yeah, there's no snow here anymore either. It's all gone. It's sun and shine. It's beautiful weather. The birds have come out. That's right. And spring is here. Yeah, I was debating whether to change over to my lighter jacket this morning.

Oh, madness. It's freezing today i got my shorts on today have you actually are you one of those guys yeah i wear shorts like all the time i fucking hate those well i mean you are in track shorts as well the snug the snug um the dad girl that's it yeah i only have to go outside for like a brief second so yeah it's like that's the privileges of working in your own home yeah so it's i mean pflex is in his pajamas probably right now i'm sure yeah yeah people always comment on that you know like if you wear shorts during the winter and they're like oh my god why are

you wearing shorts during the winter but you see women going to work in like skirts and stuff during the yeah but they're wearing stockings it's like stockings are super warm and they sometimes they'll wear thermal shit under the stockings yeah i mean i wear those as well so it works out it's fine is there is there thermal lingerie that's what i want to know like if you i get i got a pair that is like matches my skin exactly so like it looks like i'm not wearing them yeah so it's fine well it's not that gross it's comfortable yeah keeps me warm as well but it matches your skin so it's i just don't understand why why does it need why does it need to be flesh colored because then it looks like you're not wearing them right so like it's creepy it's creepy

and they've got like a shine to them as well it makes your legs look nice and shiny too so anyone who you know happens to take a glance through the window yeah and they they think you're naked that's right instantly yeah for like you know good well i guess permanently because you know then happens to take a glance through the window and they think you're naked instantly for like a good, well I guess permanently because then they go oh my god I saw a man naked but it's actually just a full body flesh suit that I wear

so I'm not actually naked it's perfectly pale and pallid neon white like sickly looking vampirous. I went for that one. That's the fashion that I'm going for. So it does affect how you talk and act and behave.

You know, if we were all professional business people and we all had to go to work every day and dress up in suits and get makeup on and sit in a studio and all that crap, we would be a very different podcast. You know, yeah yeah we'd all be singing from the same hymn sheet and we'd all be getting a helicopter view of the situation and um you know make sure that we're all on the same page stuff like that you know like all the phrases like that all the i will say this all of these people that claim to be professional just dressing professional don't make you professional son yeah

and also also talking professional as well doesn't actually make you professional son yeah and also also talking professional as well doesn't actually make you very professional it's like a it's a state of mind well i think they weren't professional to begin with though jimmy right but that's the thing is you you'd see them and you'd think they were professional yeah right like i was in a meeting with all these people they're all dressed up there i was told it was a really important meeting this is like when i was temp so i had to take minutes and all this kind of shit it was really boring and they spent and i'm not joking half an hour arguing over whether they were discussing tactics or strategy right there was a big debate about the difference between tactics and strategy and whether this

should be entitled it's just semantics exactly for half an hour and i'm thinking these motherfuckers don't know shit like they may be dressed up and they may have the meeting and talk about how important it is and everything, but they ain't professionals, they're just dickholes. They're just emulating, like, higher-ups that they've seen in action before, but they don't actually know what they're saying or talking about. But these were the higher-ups, homie. These were the big honchos, the top dogs. But there's always somebody higher than them, though, that they're trying to be like, right?

God. But there's always somebody higher than them, though, that they're trying to be like, right? Because they think that if they act like them, they'll act their way into their positions one day. But the thing is, they're not doing the strategies, you know? They're not cunning enough. They're not backstabbing people. It's the wrong tactic slash strategy. Yeah, exactly. Like, just turning up to a business meeting and talking the talk, but not being able to walk the walk. You know what I mean?

You're not going to get anywhere. that's a slippery pole to climb up it's tricky to walk the walk because you have to wear those smart black shoes yeah just always uncomfortable yeah you know in canada where it snows a lot um they have like these rubber things that go over your shoes to protect your shoes yeah they they protect them from like all the snow and the salt on the roads and stuff like that yeah and um my dad used to have a pair like because he my dad was a policeman but he's he used to wear like a like a suit and stuff to work because he was like um he used to work in detective he used to work in ident which was like he used to have to take pictures of dead people and stuff like that but he didn't have to wear a suit to do it he didn't wear a uniform

so he had his galoshes. And when I was a kid, I used to run around the house with these like huge rubber galoshes on. They were pretty good. I remember them. They were just so fucking weird. But like everybody wore them.

Like, you know, maybe it was just the thing in the 80s or the 90s. I don't know if people still wear them, but I remember them super well. They just, they were so fucking bizarre but I used to think they were so funny my dad wore them

in New York for sure it must be like a role model type thing though as well or a fashion-y type cultural thing it's like a meme where you know

someone of high stature wears them like you know Donald Trump's hair you can see tons of people emulating that thinking yeah

I want to have hair like that and just go and take a picture of Donald Trump's hair you can see tons of people emulating that thinking yeah I want to have hair like that and just going and taking pictures of Donald Trump into the barbers and being like look at this guy he's fucking clued up he's head of the free world Trump me I beg your pardon sir you have to go next door if you want that kind of service

well I don't know if anybody's actually trying to get hair like his though his hair is very unique. Well, precisely. What interested me was the guys at a lot of the rallies, you know, because when I was in Seattle recently, there was a big rally going on. I think I spoke about it on one of the other podcasts actually, where there was a lady there who didn't know what to write on her sign.

She'd bought a sign with her. She like couldn't decide what to write and I was giving her ideas about what to write and in the end, she just copied someone else's sign that she saw of someone else in the crowd which I was disappointed in. It's a bit of a safe alternative isn't it? To being original. But she was going to write this big long thing and I said look no one's going to stop to read it just keep it nice and simple. You're like

fuck off or you know screw this or something like that and she was like well I want to keep it polite and I was like alright well and I was trying to give her some ideas. Down with this sort of stuff. Yeah exactly. No, just no, just no,

no. But the guys in the middle were, um, the sort of pro Trump guys. And they were this, I think I'm sure I talked about this before. There were loads of police around. There was like 400,

500. They just said, yes. Yeah. They had yes signs. They had no signs, but the guys, the pro Trump guys were all in like body armor and stuff. And I've seen a lot of pictures of the way these guys...

They'd try to dress like stormtroopers from Star Wars or something. Or, like, guys that you'd kill in Mass Effect, you know? That's the kind of armour that they're wearing. Normally, when you say stormtroopers, people don't... I mean, Star Wars is what people think now, but it used to be very much something different. But we won't, yeah. No, I'm not going down... I'm not saying that.

I'm saying, literally, like, stormtroopers from the movies. You're saying they look like Garrus from Mass Effect. That kind of shit, exactly. Really? Weird. They were in cosplay. You sure this wasn't like outside Comic-Con and you got confused? No, it was not.

But I think it's actually just a chance for them to wear their cosplay stuff and meet up with their friends. Like that's the undercurrent to all this stuff is they were all having sandwiches and hanging out. But it was kind of like, is this sandwiches? Yeah, it sounds like a picnic I know like jab sandwiches. Did they have a little like red and white checkered sheet that they laid down? They didn't do that, but they did they would definitely it was like a social thing like oh, hi Tony Not seen you since last weekend It was the races. I'm going Fantastic great. Why what I'm sure I've asked this before, but man, why are people so interested?

Like, why would you go to a political rally and, you know, be for somebody like for Trump or like, you know, not not even just Trump? I'm not I'm not bashing on Trump. Like I like I really I just don't care. I just can't imagine being that passionate about his policies or any other politician's policies. Like, why would you go and defend that when you could just, like, go smoke a dupe somewhere or just have fun? Like, do something interesting instead. I think it's a lot like these people who are religious people on the street trying to convert you to religion. And some of those people, sure, are just doing doing it i don't know why they do it but i'm sure some of those people are just good people who genuinely believe that your soul's gonna go to hell and they want to help sure but i think a

lot of people at these parades genuinely feel that you know that they have a duty and an obligation they're good people and they just want to try and convince people that that to their side the argument because they're convinced. They are completely that one side or the other. They're unswayable and they genuinely believe that what they're doing is for the good of everyone. And if they can convince you to come on side, it will help everyone and everyone will be happier and better. I mean, I guess so. But I mean, I can understand going to a rally and being opposed to something, right?

Because, you know in in politics and government there's a lot of policies that aren't amazing right like there's there's always there's always room for improvement there's always room for change or whatever and i can imagine going to a rally and being like oh come on let's change this i don't like this it's not working for like me or a couple of people i can't imagine going to rally and and being like, no, leave it the way it is. It's fine. Never change it. Like, I don't get it. Well, maybe there just hasn't been a political thing happen that you really care about.

If there was one that came in and said, we're going to get rid of video games, wouldn't you go to that rally and say, no, leave it the way it is? I mean, I don't know if I would. I'd probably be pretty upset, I guess. But it's not likely to happen. It's a bad example. I got a few books here. It's a bad example. No, I'm picking something that I know you like.

And, you know, I'm thinking of something that I know you like. And imagine, all right, let's put it this way. Here's one that's believable. Let's say they were going to ban vaping and all vape-related products. It was illegal. Wouldn't you go to a rally saying, no, please don't do that? I don't think I would. I would just move on. I would simply just move on with my life. So what you're saying is you're a fucking do that i don't think i would i would just move

on i would simply just move on with my life so what you're saying is you're a fucking i would accept i would just say you know what fine i'll just find something else there's always something else well no but no but he's obviously accepting in the wisdom of the system and this is what we do when we vote we say we said unfortunately i know but it's tough isn't it it's a lot of effort i agree you're too lazy to be political imagine this sips right imagine like you know they were gonna make your i don't know like when you used to work at your office right your job right okay yeah and they said that you know for all people who are working in it we're gonna you know take away their bench

and benefits and take away this and do this we only have space for one person y'all have to kill each other last man standing gets the job and i'm gonna make you wear these stormtrooper outfits i would love to see a fight between like it people that would be like the lamest mma fight ever be like the the worst royal rumble in history just a bunch of nerds pouring at each other to mind my shirt my shoes you know just sort of tripping over and shit that'd be hilarious i can totally see both sides of this honestly i'm interested enough in politics and and like complaining about politics in in in in private sort of thing but man i don't i don't understand like people who are like

really politically active and stuff like that and i'm a bit dubious of people who are very politically active because i always feel like you know they just they want to make a big song and dance about something so that they can just get into into office or whatever and then just chill you know what i mean like it like i i think they they like the allure of of power or whatever and then just chill you know what i mean like it like i i think they they like the allure of of power or whatever and and they want to get there and then they once they get there it's just like all right cool i'm here like i'm just gonna put my feet up i don't think the guys go into protests are like generally angling to be an mp or whatever i think they're just going well because they they want to protest like when you see a lot of career politicians,

their early life in politics is a lot of that, right? They go to rallies. They're members of a group. They're very outspoken. Yeah, they become the leaders of their little groups and stuff like that. And then eventually they become bigger fry, I guess, in the political sphere. Not small fry, but big fry. I feel like that is like anything, though.

If you're doing a degree in art, you'd expect to go to some fucking art galleries. If you're doing a degree in politics, I should hope that you would attend some fucking political rallies and see some of that shit. Maybe I'm just selfish. It might well be changing, though, with the internet and the way things work now,

that people going outside is a thing of the past, and these things are less impactful than they used to be. No, there's still loads of rallies. I think they still should. I don't know. In a way, I'm a little bit jealous of Sips and his sort of laissez-faire attitude towards it, which is kind of like just let people get on with it.

I'm going to not worry about it too much. I might feel different if politics really affected me but at the at the moment i don't think they do at all like i don't feel right i see all affected by any politics like you know i guess the system works for me so that's fine i don't need to like ever think about it that is selfish i'm kind of the same way in that it really doesn't matter to me who's in power i mean like my kid's school struggles a bit with with money and stuff like that but i know that we've got enough parents around here that would not let it like collapse but we're not in a poor area like the sponsored walks and stuff though

right like i do don't have a sponsored shit i ain't done a sponsored thing in my fucking life please sir we need a new trampoline at our school i i i will donate generously and you give a sponsor we're all shaving our heads for oh yeah that i do i do the shaving head oh man we're all gluing hair to our heads i guess you gotta get into the frame of mind where you're like standing for other people which i look you know i know, I like, I'm not really, that's not me. I don't support other people. Other people? No. I think you have, that's a part of the human condition, though.

I think you have to know someone that is affected. And then that way you will probably, if you felt, if you knew someone locally who was affected by something, you might go and stand by them because you're a friend and they asked you to or whatever. I think that's all it takes for some of these people to get involved and be good people. I think that a lot of these people are very, very good people and they're very, very good intentioned.

I feel like I'm a little bit, yeah. I mean, one of the things I'm always doing, and I don't know whether you guys get this impression, is that I'm always the fucking asshole who automatically feels like I have to counter anything anyone says. I mean, I don't want to say it, but I do see you as a fucking asshole. Like a devil's advocate, right? I'm a terrible devil's advocate to anyone.

Even if I completely agree with them and believe their story, anyone ever says something, I will instantly be like, oh, but have you thought about this? of thing even if i don't actually believe that because i sometimes i just like to poke holes in other people's well and the thing is too like you get a sense you get a sense for people too right like if you see somebody coming and their their point of view is really just black and white and that's it you know what i mean like there's no there's no gray area anywhere uh to explore that sort of like puts my back up a little bit and then i will try to poke holes and and like sort of play devil's advocate i wish i i wish i didn't know i wish i could just

be like oh cool you know and just be friends with them and just just never say anything never get into these conversations never like kind of because it's so much happier so it's nicer nicer right you i mean you know you meet people all the time we have the fucking most crazy beliefs and views as they're completely deluded into these things that are just to me complete madness and you know i i have to sometimes i put my foot in it and challenge them and sneakily ask them sort of dumb questions yeah but oh but secretly i really just don't want to be like that but i can't help myself sometimes i don't think it's a bad thing to be like that though like like i don't i don't think it's necessarily you can upset people i think but i i don't think it's a terrible thing no yeah i'm gonna talk about something that happened

on my stream last week okay okay. Okay. Is this a promotion? No, no. We're playing CSGO. Twitch.tv forward slash PurionFlax in case you ever want to. I didn't say that. Live now. I didn't say that. Live right now.

Probably, actually, yeah. But I was playing CSGO, and one of the things that happens in CSGO a lot is you get a lot of smurfs, right? Yeah. I mean, every competitive game suffers from that. But CSGO is like the worst. The worst of smurfs right so yeah i mean every every competitive game suffers but csgo is like the the worst the worst little blue fuckers who come out of the fucking forest with their little mushroom hats singing their fucking songs we get it you're good at computer games smurfs exactly so we're playing against these guys and they absolutely rock us right it's like the biggest shellacking you could imagine we just so my buddy sinny who's a guy i play csgo with like pretty much every night he he's he's just

like lewis and he's always if you say x well what about y you know exactly like that so he's i say oh my god these fucking guys like we look at their ranks at the end of the game because it always shows you the ranks of your opponents at the end and they're like as like us or lower and these guys destroyed us so it's obvious that they're smurfing he's like well you know maybe they just had a good game and i absolutely lost my shit i was like shouting at him i was like what the fuck is wrong with you that's that's exactly one of the things i might have said yeah exactly but it triggers me so fucking much because what lewis is saying is he likes to make devil's advocate sometimes you feel like when someone does that what they're really saying is fuck your stupid opinion i'm going to come up with an equally stupid opinion that doesn't make any fucking sense and i'm going to suggest that

one and maybe now your opinion doesn't matter it's like come on exactly so not only have you poked holes in my own confidence in my own opinion so i'm now less confident and less comfortable with my own stubborn fucking idiocy but now i've also got this counter argument which pisses me off even more stupid i'm actually triggered by and now i look like a twat like no no the thing with sinny though is i've played like a lot of dota with him and stuff in the past and he is like uh he he is an optimist right like you know when all when all the cards are down and you know you're a 100% chance that you are just going to get fucked. Oh, we never give up. He's still like, okay, guys, it's not over.

It's not over. There's still a chance if we just simply like recombobulate the dilithium crystals and stuff like that. We tighten the bolts and put our helmets back on and get back in the game. We can do it. We can still win. This is still a winnable game. I've been in so many games where he's been like that i mean don't it's like that though like i've had plenty of games where it is over and then we win like it's that that's

why when people give up it really we hate that like we always play until the very end because we have literally won games from the brink of total destruction yeah it's possible that's just dota man it is possible yeah so and i agree in that regard don't never give up and don't but you're getting mad at him for playing devil's advocate in that situation is simply because it just feels fucking bad to lose against smurfs people you know are you know miles ahead of you skill-wise right right in the wrong bracket just absolutely handing it to you yeah you can't help but feel frustrated so it doesn't matter really that that cindy was playing devil's advocate you were

probably just frustrated at losing uh like a hopeless game like you know everything was stacked against you well this is like a really really common thing isn't it of diverting like frustration onto someone else and you know it tends to be those closest to you who end up getting shouted at for something which has nothing to do with them. My kids are a perfect example of that. You know, I have a bad day. You know, I've lost a couple of Dota games or whatever.

Hell yeah, they're going to bed early. Hell no, they're not eating their dinner. Like that, you know, we're wrapping this up. You're going to really, you know, punish those guys. Yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah, they're going to wear dinner like that i'm you know we're we're wrapping this up you're gonna really you know punish those guys yeah hell yeah god hell yeah they're gonna wear that stormtrooper suit and you know fight each other to the death i can't strangle those smurfs but i can i can strangle my kids so man i'm just joking i would never we're just kidding we're just kidding no i think that like no we're not no no i think that you know, no, we're not. No, I think that, you know what, though? That is definitely like a symptom of the game you're playing. And, for example, I've been playing some board games with people lately.

Some, for example, Warhammer, okay? And obviously I've been playing with a few different people, but one person I've been playing with is Alex, who's Tom's friend. Is that the guy with the big, kind of older-looking guy? He's not like a young lad. Is that the guy who who lent us his house for um one of the ox quests yes yes he's a really nice guy actually and his house is really fucking cool too he built that himself i know it was super impressive it was

really fun hanging out there that day when we were there so he started off to do a bit like when he was a kid he used to play warhammer and build warhammer models and then he when he grew up he just sort of thought fuck i'll build my own house. And so he fucking did. And he's like, well, this is a massive, awesome house. He ran a shop, right? He ran like a Warhammer shop. He ran a Wargaming shop.

Did the house have like a nice circular base covered in flock and a big slurp in the middle? He put some grass down. He dry brushed it. Lichen, bushes. He must have done okay with it to be able to build his own house. No, he's... Well, yeah, I think he's... Anyway, he's fine.

He's a really interesting guy. But he's very kind of laid back when it comes to playing games and weirdly uncompetitive. Like weirdly kind of plays games and it's quite refreshing to play with him or against him because he kind of doesn't give a fuck about winning he wants to kind of he likes he likes the mechanics he likes to create these interesting moments in games and as a result he's just totally totally blasé about the competitive nature of an actual game. In some ways, like, in a way, it doesn't take any of the pressure off

because if he beats you, it's kind of even more stressful, you know, because he clearly isn't trying. He hasn't looked up any of the rules. You know, he's got this haphazard army of things that he likes to look of or, you know, guys that are fun-themed, you know, that he's named things like Marius the Felcher or whatever.

Do you know what I mean? He's kind of, he's got like this great attitude towards gaming and it's kind of unusual because I think that we've been sort of, certainly playing Dota together,

playing these competitive games together, you feel like you bond together like a football team and it's all serious. But imagine if you were playing football, one guy was just there like, oh man, I really fucking love the ball.

I love this round thing going around. I love how it, like, bops around the pitch. I love all the characters. You know, I love the goalie's gloves. Oh, man. Do you know what I mean? Like, just really excited to be there. I feel like I can be that guy at times.

I'm, like, fairly competitive, though. Like, I can get pretty frustrated at a competitive game. But, like, all the frustration is always on yourself, right? Like, you're always frustrated with yourself. the competitive nature of some of these games like dota is a real illusion though as well it feels like you're always like trying playing at the highest level when really you know you're struggling in the sort of you know middle of the median gaming experience with average people against average people but everyone tries so hard as if it's like as if it's a sort of world cup match i mean i feel

like the enjoyment of those games comes from trying to win like it's almost like if you were like i've played five aside right and when you just have a kick around with guys who are like just dicking around you're all just messing around if you score a goal it doesn't really mean anything and no one remembers it doesn't count for anything it's just like no one's even keeping score right yeah it's like when i go and play tennis with my kids in the park, I'm not keeping score like competitive dad from the far show. You know, like slugging a pass. We go, right, 15 love.

You know, that was over the line, dear. That was over the line. You know, I'm not like that. But if I was to play an actual game of tennis like that, what's the point? Like you get a lot more fun out of it. I don't really mind losing if it's a good game like i honestly doesn't bother me i hate it if the game is unfair or we fucking threw it

away because we were idiots and people were doing stupid shit then it's kind of frustrating but i i don't i never mind losing a fair game if it's a if it's a really good close game fantastic that's literally all i want yeah it's a really good close game where we actually fight and they fight and it's like competitive but it doesn't need to be unpleasant. What I'm getting at I think is that it doesn't sort of necessarily tell you when you pick up DOTA that it's going to be, the fun is going to be competitive fun. Like me and Shin and Duncan when we were on holiday, well Duncan and Shin coined this phrase type 2 fun, which I don't know if you understand what it is but basically type type one fun is fun when

you're doing it right and then it's fun as you remember it right so that like going kayaking is really fun and then when you get back home you enjoyed it right yeah you remember it's a good memory it's a fun thing sure type two fun is stuff that when you're actually doing it you don't enjoy it but when you've done it you're glad to have done it and you remember it's a good memory okay so like maybe like doing a really horrible hike that's really tiring and exhausting at the time but when you're back you're like wow that was an amazing hike that's one of those things that it's not it's not that it was amazing hike it's just something that you feel good that you you talk about and tell people about right yeah It's not that it was actually at all fun or enjoyable. You just feel like you're a better person

because you did it and you can boast about it to people. Yeah, type two fun. And then type three fun is stuff that, this was something we made up, was when you have a really good time at the time, like when you're out drinking, but then the next morning you regret everything that you did. Right.

Do you know what I mean? You're like, oh, did I do that? Oh, no. Do you know what I mean? You're like, oh, did I do that? Oh, no. Do you know what I mean? I really shouldn't have done that. I really shouldn't have drunk all that. I really shouldn't have eaten that kebab. Do you know what I mean?

It's like, it's surprising, I guess with games, you don't necessarily know what they're going to be like. And also, before you pick them up, like Trouble in Terrorist Town, for example, that we play, no one really plays it super competitively right they they put

a bit of effort in but they're willing to to kind of people are trying to create stupid moments in it that's the thing like you want to try and kill someone in a particular way like that's why people use the harpoon right it's not good but you want to do it because it's fun to get a harpoon kill people yeah people don't really automatically become tryhards i guess whereas i guess when dota there's this scoreboard there's this mmr rating it tells you like stuff like that that is it becomes this this this benchmark where you're like okay i have to fucking play my best i have to try my hardest and that affects the way you play and the way you interact with the people in the game and you know and know, me and Sips and Pier and played a fucking shitload of Dota.

But me and Pier and played Dota for fucking years. Do you know what? You were still, I think, the second most games I've ever played is with you. I know. We played together for about two years every night. It's crazy. And it was, I can't remember any of the games we played because they were blurred together into a horrible mess. But we argued. sometimes we had shouting

at the top of our lungs and people would be like oh my god these guys must hate each other but actually we were like best friends at the time we didn't hate each other at all it was just that was the way we got used to talking to each other because we both cared but when I'm concentrating that's like the way

I do it, that's literally the way I concentrate is when I'm concentrating, that's like the way I do it. Like, that's literally the way I concentrate is my when I'm playing Dota, my brain is so tied up in every single detail of what I'm doing that I almost forget to just be a decent person. Like whenever I've hung out with people at events or when I come down and hang out with you guys, I'm not like a super fucking try hard, angry all the time, shouting at people. That's not what I'm like. I'm not like that. Well, is that how you perceive yourself? That's unpleasant. That's that's that's interesting it's interesting well you think i'm i'm a nice i'm an unpleasant guy i don't think i'm mean but it's joking but you know if someone just was on the outside and hadn't got the perspective of that or understood you know

they might just think we're just we've you know we hate each other you know it's so weird yeah it's true like i just want to hang out and have fun like that's it like whenever i'm at an event or something like that i'm not shouting and arguing with people and stuff like that it's only when i'm playing a game like cs go or dota my attention is on that a hundred percent like i'm not thinking about anything else and that means that i lose all social skills that's that's the problem it's coming back to what lewis is saying about people thinking that we might like hate each other and stuff it's it's a weird one because we've like we've all played games together for a while right like yeah he is now on and off recording and and whatever i mean

lewis we used to play wow back before you guys even started doing YouTube. Remember, we'd be up like all night raiding and, you know, we played like OpenTTD a bit. It's literally 10 years of playing the ship. We have a long, glorious rapport with each other through games, right? So like, and I think a lot, I think not a lot of people, but, you know, like, I think on average, people have like a little group of people that they play with. But I think a lot of gaming is done in, you know, like you do it alone, right? Like you don't necessarily, like some people play games and they don't actually talk to anybody. There's people there talking, but, you know, they don't form like friendships through games and stuff like that. form like friendships through through games and stuff like that so so maybe maybe from those people's perspective it seems like you know any any sort of disagreement might mean holy shit these

guys are like on the outs or whatever but it is it's such a natural part of like having a friendship through gaming right like you know like even even raiding and wow man you remember how much people would get butthurt and fucking scream at each other like over dkp and everything oh my god once the raid was over everybody's cool everybody's just back to like joking around and guild chat and that's true it went from one extreme to the other but they were some real you know it's like it's like anything it just turns people into monsters like temporarily and then you get over it and you're back you're back on an even but weirdly like certain people would come out of the woodwork as a specific character type so i always remember i'm sure we talked about all this shit again again probably like you guys are like oh god

not this again but i remember we always played with this guy called pearson yeah who you know i still have on my friends this today and see him like you know playing weird games i see him playing star trek online all the time. Oh, wow. What a guy, right? He hates himself, he must do. He was terrible. He was a really good guy, but he was always kind of,

I think he was in one of our videos with Ashbringer, right? He was a really nice guy. So look that up. It's a really, really old video. But he was like the first guy to say it was my fault, right? Even if it wasn't. He was this guy who i like he loved the punishment right he was a glutted for like taking the blame so for example

like you know meris would be yelling at the top of his voice like oh my god you guys have been standing in the stuff someone didn't click this who was it who was it who didn't click this and there would be like silence right in in like the everyone's like embarrassed because probably like five people didn't fucking click the thing do you know i mean like loads of people fucked up because that's what happened in wow race you expect to do this shit and you fucked up all the time yeah and it wasn't until you'd done it like 15 times that you remember not to fuck up anyway pearson would always be like yeah it was me i messed up i did it he was always the fucking foil the heel the guy like taking it on the. Like every time he was just glutton for punishment.

You know, Maris is a good example of all this. I always had a lot of respect for that. Because Maris was a nice guy. I got on super well with him. Like I still talk to him from time to time, like on Skype and stuff like that. Like he's around, you know, he asks me like, what's up? Like how we're doing and stuff. And like, you know, he's moved on to other things and stuff as well.

But he's a really nice guy. And we were in a guild together for years and years and years. And we always chatted and stuff like that. But when you would raid with him, holy fuck, he was an asshole. He was just a fucking asshole. Like, he was just such a cruel, mean person. person like he would kick people out of raids for no reason you know like if they would like even the slightest little fuck up he would just like go off on one and stuff like it was it was nuts but like i mean i guess at the same time like you

sort of have to be like that when you have especially back in vanilla with like 40 people raiding and stuff you know like but what I think part of it is, is playing a game like that where you're relying, I mean, those old WoW raids were like 40 people. They were hell on earth. And any game like WoW or whatever, pick any game, or I mean, or CSGO, any game that's a team game.

If I play a game and I fuck up, I'm just like, oh my God. And I'm just like, I just leave. But I'm not relying on other people when I play games. i just some a lot of them you could just reload you could just laugh about it but when someone else does it it's difficult for people to not take it personally as like you've ruined my experience with your idiocy and your terrible play and i feel like sometimes it's uh it's difficult the frustration you would normally feel about yourself you you can shrug it off because it's you but when it's someone else i think it's easy to suddenly start

shouting them and think like you fucking moron absolutely yeah i think that's what it is i think with with miris we had a bit of stockholm syndrome as well right like like it was it was a little bit like he was this horrible cruel master but he was our horrible cruel master and he would lead us to go fuck over other guilds and other people and he was always he was on our side yeah he like yeah he like he doled out the fucking perps at the end where you know we we if it wasn't for his yelling and shit we wouldn't have got our shit together and got any loot at all and so you know it weirdly we were trapped with this in like a basement with this guy and the stuff you do like i can't imagine some of the people i used to play games with i'm

like geez did i really put up with that shit like did i really put up with that shit and now i find myself when i'm playing dota like i shout at guys i play with all the time there's guys we had a me and shane you know Shane, right? We had this thing on a Monday night. Every Monday night, I have a sub in-house. So I'll get 10 of my subscribers to play, and me and another couple of guys will cast the game and just rip into them mercilessly. It's very cathartic for me,

because I put up with this shit in Twitch chat every day about what an idiot I am and some fuck-up I made and there's memes and clips and all that shit. So for me to just sit there and go, oh, look at this fucking moron. What are you thinking? And picking out all the stupid things that they do. Just watch him try to jungle and get killed by the easy camp or whatever.

Exactly. It's hilarious. So last week, when this goes out, it was Monday anyway, we had an in-house between the five worst players that I could find on my Discord against the five worst that Shane could find. And it was like the bottom of the barrel. Some of these guys, one of these guys was hammered. One of these guys had not played in two and a half years

and hadn't really played much then. So he had no idea how the game had changed. It was hilarious. Like, it was just the worst Dota you've ever seen it was great fun but i felt bad afterwards i'm like geez some guy is gonna have to watch this back and he's just getting ripped on like in the previous week this one guy called bleepo he's like a well-known shitter that plays on my discord quite a lot he's oh my god i know what this is i know this feeling it's like you've just watched some really, really disgusting porn. And then after you've finished, you're like, oh, God, I can't believe I just got off to that.

I feel so wrong. I felt exactly like that after I watched Forrest Hump. Tom Hanks still had his leg braces on. So he's playing the off lane. He's playing central war runner and he goes like oh and six and i say to my co-commentator at the start of the game i guarantee you he's going to die like three times in the first eight minutes easily he died like eight times in the first eight minutes it was like a disaster and to the end he's just standing in

base like staring at the wall and he's typed in all chat i'm sorry i've ruined this guys that's what he types and i was, this guy's broken. Like, he's actually, we've actually broken this poor guy. And he's not saying it's just a bit of fun. Because you've got to remember, these guys are on stream. And for some of them, they don't play in front of hundreds of people. You know, they're not used to that pressure. And when they fuck up, they're going to get shouted at by Pyrenean idiot flax.

Like, you know, it's horrible. So I've been trying to really focus on internalizing a lot of my frustration rather than let it out on people because it's not pleasant i don't think it's good to watch and uh and i remember what it was like to be shouted at when we used to play i used to play wow not with you guys but my guild leader was the same it was a fucking asshole but it kind of feel like if he wasn't we wouldn't get the loot there's not even any loot in don't worry the game ends, you get nothing. That's it. You get maybe a couple of points of MMR.

Who cares? So I'm trying to be nicer. So I feel like that's the thing, though. Like, it's got this illusion of pressure. And I can see, like, man, just try to take... I think with a game like that, though, you constantly have to remind yourself that it's a game. It's one of these games that if you take your eye off it for a second,

it becomes this sort of competitive thing again, and you want to be the best. You want to, you know, win, and it's weirdly... I think it's because losing is so punishing, you know, so sad to see, so fucking depressing. And it's still going to take an hour, right? And also is is is at the same time you do exactly the same to someone else it's almost like a torture it's a time thing as well you're you're ideally spending your time doing something enjoyable and part of that is you want to feel sometimes that you've done well and

you've won you know like you have an evening of dota and you might play two or three games and that's probably all you have time to do in an evening sort of thing and you think okay i'm ready and then you have like three just disgusting stomping losses and you're like fuck why did i play this game tonight like why did i spend my time i could have done something else that might have been more enjoyable and the thing is you probably did enjoy it but it just feels bad losing doesn't it like it always just comes down to that it's a funny funny thing you blame yourself but but you blame other people because you blame yourself and there's a lot of psychology to it it's true it's also it's a weird thing streaming for hours and hours and hours after a while you kind of forget that you're streaming

and i mean i i hardly ever read chat i don't know about you sips but i mean i don't sit there staring at you i see some streamers they're playing and like they go half an eye they're constantly looking at chat laughing everyone oh hey what's up so and so thanks for stopping by don't forget to follow subscribe i just i can't do that shit like if people have to donate for me to read a message but weirdly enough if someone says something negative even if i take it out of context and they're actually responding to someone else that pops out at me and i'll fucking berate that person and i don't know why it's i just i just i can't i have a very bad relationship with twitch chat i just i glance at chat but my my chat moves fairly fast yeah you've got a bit you have a lot of viewers quite

spammy and stuff so so occasionally i'll pick out you know some sometimes people say some really fucking funny shit yeah it's true and um and you spot it and it's and it's great when that happens but yeah for the most part you know you're just like donations especially when they're read out you know if somebody really has something to say to you um that you know that's that's an well yeah that's it that's an easier way than just sifting through you know reams and reams of twitch chat sort of thing. There are some jokes that people make over and over and over again. And I cannot help myself but just have a real go at those people.

One of them is, like, I normally play Dota, right? So I'll be playing something else and they'll come in. And the go-to joke is, new patch has really changed Dota, isn't it? They make that joke. Like, everybody seems to think that that joke is like either original or funny or like they've come up with this amazing gag they literally do it it's kind of a meme though not that much a joke it's like saying bobs and virgin or whatever you know girl streamers chat it's kind of just like a meme now where true it's still fucking stupid yeah it's

stupid they are stupid they are but that's part of it as well the culture and the community stuff it's the whole automatic yeah cheer it's like it's like people in the crowd singing their stupid charts you know or stupid songs at football match you know that's what twitch chat is it has it's instead of having the songs it has the the little memes that go around and it's not like yeah yeah, I don't, I don't notice that stuff much at all. Actually. I'm sure it happens, but I, it doesn't, it doesn't register with me much. Like it's, I know what you mean about streaming though. And you forget you've, sometimes you forget that you're streaming, but I like that as well. Like I found like, I, so like I changed like my stream around a little bit recently where, whereas before, like if a sub came in

or a donation came in i i would say thank you straight away and then it got to the point where i felt like every stream all i was doing was thanking people constantly it feels it's kind of an autopilot thing you still see it with the top streamers like that they they they're almost on autopilot they're like you know they just have these set phrases they do these things and it's sure but i always think of streaming like like working mining at the coalface okay literally like if that's hard i do that's like deadly work people get black lung and stuff well exactly but i don't mean sorry god i think putting out oil fires or something really important and dangerous like that or it being in a battle you know not no no in a sense like if like i i think of youtube as this thing where you curate and create a fixed thing and

then you put it out and then you can kind of you can kind of you could only really do a certain amount of it like you could only really put out like a video a day or if you put two out they both get half as many views kind of thing right yeah whereas if you're twitch streaming it's almost much more proportional to how much time you put in on it right it's like if you go if you load up your twitch channel you can just chip away and earn money and be like chip chip chip new subscribers new donations new things new and if you do 12 hours a day you're going to get more money than if you do three hours a day like it's just so much different in that sense right it's like it's like it's like just it's it's like do i want to go ahead it's like mining bitcoin right it's like do i want to spend you know do i want to go and do some actual work today much less than like

if you prepare a youtube video and it takes you three to four hours and you put it online the ratios are so different like with and also that youtube video might do well it might do badly it might go viral it might not you know it's like i might get it's a lot more guesswork with the youtube video whereas then again the same thing with twitch in a sense like you know if you're playing a game that people don't like then you might not do very well or whatever i don't know i just feel like it's um it's a different mentality it is totally different but so what what i've started doing now instead of just constantly reading out subs and donations and thanking people and obviously i am thankful like it's insane that people actually spend money on this stuff and and it means that we can can do it or whatever but instead of just shouting out to people as it happens what i do instead now is

at the end of the stream i I just spend like five or 10 minutes going through the whole list. But like, so, so what I'll do is I'll get to the end of the stream and I'll say, okay, I'm not going to play the game anymore. I'm done. If you don't want to stick around to listen to me, talk to people and say thank you or whatever, then go like, I'll be back tomorrow and I'll be playing the game again. And then everybody who does want to stick around and listen to shout outs and stuff like that. Like I have a different screen that I go to and then,

and then I spend like five or 10 minutes just going through thanking everybody that subbed, resub, donated, whatever. Um, and then it doesn't get in the way of playing games. And I found recently it's been awesome because I can actually just sit there

and play the game. And I don't feel like I have to be interrupted like more so you know what i mean like i don't have to spend a lot of time doing all this other stuff i can just sit there and play the game and and just the flow of my streams for me recently has just been so much better like um like i've been playing skyrim and yeah like i'm just i'm just like slamming through it i don't you know like i'm not stopping every five seconds to to pause and thank people and stuff like that. I can just play the game for eight or nine hours a day, which is great. I can actually get through a game instead of spending months playing it an hour a week and throttling it.

That's the difference. I mean, you got more done in Skyrim in, what, two weeks than you ever did in your old series, which took almost a year. Of course, and that old series ran for over a year. Like, it's crazy. It's just nuts. I don't know how much different it even is, honestly, because when you used to do your old series, not very much got cut out anyway, right? No, but a lot of people say there's no editing, and there was fun little edits in the series that that people enjoyed and i enjoyed that brought it to life as well that sort of yeah brought it to life gave it a little bit more like humor and you could cut out the slow

bits yeah and stuff like this but in the end i was cutting out a lot of like the dungeon crawling stuff you know like where it was just like oh here's the 50 millionth fucking um you know dead guy that i've killed and i'm just gonna loot five golden coins off of him and a potion of health sort of thing you know like i cut out a lot of that stuff in the end because it was just yeah repetitive but like obviously when you're streaming you can't do that but in in slower parts when stuff like that is happening then it's easy to just have like a conversation with people in chat and stuff like that you know what i mean it can fill the time and it's so it's different it's different

but i prefer it i prefer you know like i'm into skyrim right now and i might not be next week but while i'm in it i'm gonna do as much as i can and then when i'm done with it i can just move on whereas on youtube it's it's much less forgiving you know you get up get up to a point, you're like, oh, fuck it. Like, if you're recording it, you have to come back. You can't play it without recording it. So sometimes I just want to, like, I was streaming Hearts of Iron the other day. It's a really interesting game. It was going well with the new expansion and everything.

It was really cool. I played a load of it on stream. And then I played, like, an hour of it today off stream. Because I knew I wasn't going to stream it again. The game was nearly over and everything like that. So it's like, if I was recording recording that i'd have to record that you know what i have to sit down play out the session record it all i can't just be like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because that's going to make a bad video so i kind of feel like um streaming gives me a lot

more freedom like i was playing hearts run the other day game was over like i had an invasion suddenly got naively invaded i was like fuck this i'm out I just closed it down starting a new game They need to worry about finishing it off or yeah that it would only make one fucking video or whatever like it just it feels a Lot easier and people kind of like to see rage quit a game anyway. Yeah, like it's funny, right? Like I was playing into the breach if you played that yet. Yeah And it's I don't think it's it I don't think it's quite as good as FTL. I found FTL a bit more fun. But this game, it feels like there's always a solution. You can win every—I don't know how they've done it.

It feels very clever. But I found that even the seemingly insoluble problems that you're sometimes faced with, there's a way out. I like how at the end, you know you have one turn left, and your mind is like, I have to kill everything. And then you're like, well, hang on a second. They're going to retreat after this turn. So actually I just have to like mitigate damage as much as I can. And it is really clever. It is clever.

It's really good. Like the coding that they've got, the moves that the enemy makes, it never seems to put you in a position where, I mean, if you've made two colossally bad moves in a row, subsequent turns, you can just be screwed. But every turn, I've realized, like, actually, you know what? If I play this exactly the right way, then I know that I can win. It's very clever. As a result, though, I found myself, there was a move, right? And I was like, hmm, there's definitely a way out of this, but I don't know what it is.

And so I had it on my computer, and it was there for like 10 minutes, and I was staring at it, like puzzling at every single little bit of thing and then i like was like oh so i like went and made a cup of tea and i came back and i was there for another 10 minutes and like duncan was there and he was like are you fucking playing this game you know he was literally like well you've been on the same screen for literally half an hour now and i'm like it's fun yeah there's a move in here somewhere you know but it's satisfying when you spot it it's like a puzzle it there's a move in here somewhere, Duncan. But it's satisfying when you spot it. It's like a puzzle.

It's a puzzle generator that I really like. And I like that replayability. It's almost like I sit down and I've got like half an hour. Like before today, I was like, I'll play a bit of Into the Breach and just bam. And I'm just, it's just like that. Whereas FTL, there wasn't that aspect. Often in FTL, there was just a fight you could not win. Like you hadn't done well enough in the earlier sections.

Yeah, yeah yeah yeah I like um I liken into the breach how sometimes the solution is just like a bit of a compromise as well yeah sometimes you're like well I have to make the best of this yeah like I have like four guys that are unchecked that are threatening buildings and I only have three guys and you know two of them might have to take damage but it's really it's even satisfying to get to the point where you're like hang on a second like before like this turn i had four guys threatening buildings and i've i've i've like whittled it down to just one of them attacking a building right and then sometimes you get the resist on the building as well and you're like yeah that's the best this is like sometimes i'm like all right we're just gonna have to hope the

resist works it's like 22 and it yeah yeah it's really good i always forget the resist though and i'm always surprised when it happens you don't want to rely on it but it's a nice but it is a lot like x-com in that sense right like some turns in x-com you're just like okay for this to really work this guy has to dodge or like this guy has to kill this alien and stuff like that and it there's a lot of that in into the breach as well which is um you know obviously great i mean x-com is is it's fantastic i mean the thing is there's always that element that x-com i always felt like it created the drama from the stuff that went wrong and the random stuff that you can't predict in into the breach every move is 100 predictable and the effect is 100%. There's no random element to it.

Where the aliens move, maybe. But even then, it always seems to put them in a position where there is a way. Like you said, you may have to combo. In XCOM, sometimes you pull a pod and you're like, oh my god, we actually have to leave. This is so bad, I'm cooling down, we're getting the fuck out. Which is itself a solution. The mechanics in Xcom are much more intricate though oh yeah yeah all of the units have an array of abilities they move a lot more you know like

like into the breach is a lot simpler in that it's a very simple little but it's it's like it's kind of like the blizzard ethos of like um you know it presents to you this simple game but then actually the more you play it you realize that there's a lot more depth to it sort of thing so it's like x-com you get those moments where an alien is about to kill everybody and you get one of those procs on those one shot assassinate sort of guys from someone on overwatch just assassinates an alien like oh my god if that hadn't happened we were going to lose like two of our best guys. The best maps in XCOM are the ones where you end up

carrying two of your crew, you're desperately trying to bail out, you're one tile away, you need three shots to miss your guy. It's amazing. It was a great game to stream. You create these tense moments. I'm going to, interestingly,

so I'm not going to be here for the next couple of weeks. I'm going to be in America at GDC. What about the Triforce podcast? We were on about two weeks in a row we did.

One of the main reasons we now go to GDC is to try and get developers to give us their games for the Jingle Jam, right? And sort of make contacts and it's a big part of that.

And so one thing I'm doing is playing a lot more games. So one of the things I did over Christmas was I played all the games in the bundle on the Jingle Jam Live, and that was a really interesting experience to play like 50 games that I'd never picked up before and just trying them out. There were some real stinkers in there like that pizza game. They really were. They really were.

But there were also some real fun experiences. Was that one that you guys got from gdc or god knows i think we got that because hat films mocked it on their channel um relentlessly as one of the worst games but i don't know what's going through my but the developers who gave us these games were very very kind anyway because you know they didn't have to no of course We're sort of planning out a little bit. But one thing I've been doing is streaming on Saturday with Tom and we've been playing sort of games that we would normally not pick up, right? Like we played this crappy game about Bitcoin.

Well, not about Bitcoin, but it was like a puzzle game and the first one to solve it wins a Bitcoin, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of dumb games that come out and stupid ideas and free stuff and weird stuff and right bad stuff anyway like i'm really enjoying sort of exploring new games because i feel like as i get older i'm less willing to try new things necessarily i feel like i don't know like i think it's a habit of age that people tend to fall into right that they're scared

i find myself coming home and being like, okay, I'm just going to load up Slay the Spire or, you know, Into the Breach because it feels like a safe thing that I know that... whereas something else is like a kind of a risk, like a new game. So, for example, I haven't picked up Kingdom Come

Deliverance yet. Well, I have picked it up. I bought it, but I haven't bothered to load it, right? Because I'm like, oh, I'm not, I have picked it up. I bought it, but I haven't bothered to load it. Right. Okay. Because I'm like, Oh, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get into this or whatever. And I'm sure once I start playing it, I'll enjoy it.

And I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, I'll play through, but with that game, you got to curb your expectations a little bit. Right.

It's cool. It is a very, I don't think it's a bad game. There's definitely parts of it that I enjoyed, but there, there are some systems in the game that takes some getting used to. And if your expectation is that it's going to be like Skyrim or something like that,

you really need to change your expectations. It's not that kind of game. I guess what I'm asking is, are you guys scared of trying new things? No, I'm excited to try new games and stuff. I trying new things or are you kind of no i'm excited to try new games and stuff i hate new things no i like new stuff i like i like i like the freshness of new new exciting things and challenges and being excited about some things i agree with you but there was a lot of stuff where i'm just like yeah like i i'm gonna tell you a new thing that

i tried last week okay so my buddy of mine real old friend of mine called me up and he said hey do you want to go to this star wars virtual reality thing at the at the westfield in london and uh i was like what is it and it's like you put on you basically immediately response right yeah yeah it's not it's not yeah it's it's what is it so you put on a headset and you you go into it's like a four-person game so you go in and there's like a little vr experience in the star wars universe and i was like yeah sure because westfield isn't far so i thought okay if it had been like the other side of london i probably would have said no but it's like easy to get to from here so it's a wall not on the tube like two stops or whatever easy peasy so i went along yeah it was snowing so unfortunately the trains were fucked up but it's fine anyway i got there we had booked a slot 530 we didn't get in for an hour past our booking date because it's all there's all kind of fuck ups and it's always it

always overruns what they've built is if anyone's ever done virtual reality you have your your headset on and normally it's attached to your pc and you mark out a boundary on the floor in your living room or your kitchen or wherever you're doing it and that's the limitation of the vr world so you can walk around within that space. And when you get to near the wall, a grid pops up to say, look out, you're going to bang your head. So what they've got here instead

is a series of rooms and you have a backpack on that's got the VR stuff on it. And it's obviously all linked, you know, it's electronically to God knows what. And a headset goes down and all of a sudden you see your friends in Stormtrooper uniforms.

So the guys that you're in there with, they're all dressed as Stormtroopers. You can at your arms there's no gloves but it recognizes your hands and your arms and which way they're facing which i thought was really really clever so when you look at your arms you've got stormtrooper armor on your arms everything like that it was kind of cool and yeah you're walking around in this world and they've also got things in the room so that if you reach out and touch them in real life you can feel them but in the vr goggles you can also see them so there's like a robot like the robot in um force not force awakens what was the rogue one right you know the robot the combat robot yes he there's one of those

he has a chat with you at a bit and you reach up and you can touch his face and you can feel they've actually put a little robot mannequin there oh so you can actually feel it which was really cool however however a it's very short like really short and because of the way they've done it it's a series of rooms linked together but you kind of backtrack on those rooms because obviously they don't have a lot of space so there's quite often it's like let's go down this corridor it's a dead end we'll have to go back so you turn around and go back and obviously now the the terrain has changed because all we've come down a different way but it's like well no this is the exact same like if you took off your headset you'd be able to see you just walking around in like a room um right so we went

in and uh there were these girls behind us in the queue that were all pretty drunk they were like really very very hyped to be going in so we went in first my buddy's headset immediately stops working it's just not working and he's like walking around banging into things he can't see anything we're like look we're all stormtroopers he's like i can't see anything guys i can't see anything so we're just sort of pulling him along behind us and there's this one bit where you go on a platform and you go up over all this lava and they actually fire hot air in real life so you feel heat on your face as if you're flying over lava which was pretty clever but he's just standing off to the side like floating in space we're meant to be like these

undercover stormtroopers and he's standing there floating in midair going guys i can't see anything and we're like you're gonna give the game away get in here you know and the stormtroopers will say just keep moving soldier you know and he's just standing there going guys i don't know what's happening i'm taking off my headset he took his headset and just walked out just vanished and the other problem we had was we then went around the corner to get these blasters we were meant to get and they had forgotten to put the blasters in there because they're real world blasters that you pick up and feel and then you can see them in the game and they were just one we're all meant to have one right and i was like there's no blasters and so they were like right this is fucked so we stepped out we told them what had happened and they were like okay you can start again so the immersion was ruined because we knew what

was coming and then the girls that had been behind us they let them go in front of us and they just shrieked the entire time like ultra high pitch shrieking about everything that happened a door opens they all scream their heads off a stormtrooper appears they're all screaming so the whole time we're going around we can't hear anything because these girls are just screaming and the game is kind of balanced so that until the next room is clear they don't let you move on so we're standing there killing stormtroopers for like five minutes because we're waiting for these girls to clear the next room which is like a puzzle room we're just standing there fucking hell there's just waves of these fucking stormtroopers coming out and when you get shot your back your backpack goes like if it hits you on the side it

sort of there's a pressure thing that hits you in the side so it actually kind of like ow fuck i just got shot by a blaster which was kind of cool but it was just so goofy man it was so fucking goofy so it was very funny you just sat there for fucking ages waiting for these yeah we were just waiting these women and you really don't want to get shot but the stormtroopers just keep coming and they're fucking shooting you and it's like oh

weird a weird experience but I was really I was really pissed off at one point because this guy comes around you know they always

have these guys at these things that come around and give you some lecture about safety and all that bollocks so this guy comes around and says

hi folks and he's got his little pat jokes that he makes every time like I hope the force is going to be with you. Which is like, shut up, fucking hell. So he says, one thing I will have to ask you guys is if you have a phone, please do turn it off.

Because otherwise it will blow the rig. It will stop working. We had an hour delay today because all four rigs got blown up because one woman decided to take her phone in and not turn it off. And I turned to my mate and I said, what a load of bollocks. Like, quite loudly yes because you're telling me that in the middle of westfield shopping center which is teeming with thousands of people all with their phones all walking right next to your fucking vr thing you're telling me a mobile phone is going to destroy for vr come on they just don't want you to film it because that's the thing like at one point a door opened and the guy he's

like put your visors down put your visors down because we're not even allowed to see into the mystical darkened room and you like they want all your phones off so you can't film it and shit so you can't film the same thing but i was like don't give us the spiel just say please there's no recording allowed you don't have to give us this fucking safety bullshit and know it's going to blow up the rigs fuck off anyway and he looked like uh mcfly from back to the future just kind of told you never to come in here mcfly well that sounds pretty pretty good and pretty bad at the same time it was really stupid god so anyway that is that is our podcast uh we've got to go though oh my god that was what an anecdote i've got a little story about going to an escape room actually in Australia

in New Zealand but I will well we'll save that for next time I did an escape room as well I'd like to hear about that it was fun oh good

okay we can we can exchange stories we've all done an escape room woo we're friends let's kiss okay alright bye everyone

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