Triforce! - Triforce! #94: A Hopeful Robo-Future

Episode Date: March 13, 2019

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Triforce podcast with me, Piri and Flax and Sips. On the road. That's right. I'm in Bristol today for the Triforce podcast. I've left my dad dungeon behind. I've left Terry by himself and I'm here. No, if this one counts as on the road. Just saying. I am on the road. He's on the road. Flax was on the road yesterday. He's like fresh off the road.

I suppose. That's true. He's still dusty from the road. That's how off the road proximate I am. How dusty are the roads these days? Well, friend, let me tell you something. You head off into the great wilds of the area between Bristol and London. I don't know what you call it, but it's pretty nasty.

It's Nantucket. I'm sure it's Nantucket. Go by Nantucket on the way back to Twickenham. Twickenham. Twickenham. Just one straight road. Did you have to go through Gloucestershire on the way there, too? Gloucestershire on the way to Nantucket.

To the south of Reading and then by Swindon Plymouth? Was Plymouth featured? Plymouth, to the other direction friend you hit Plymouth, you've gone too darn far So have you guys ever done a road trip? Have you guys ever set out into the great wild beyond?

I've never done a road trip before So when we define road trip you're not saying driving a long way you're talking about hitting the road and just never looking back that kind of i mean feeling the wind in your hair yeah just you know the sun on your face get get protect this get the sun visor down and put your sunglasses on and just try i do it all the time but 45 square miles always leads you back home um he's right i feel like there's a country song in that. Do you know what I mean?

45 miles around Jersey Island. Take a left every town and you'll find your way back home again. It's a square. It's a square. We're driving in a square. We haven't got that many roads and I still haven't seen them all. You always end up back. It's crazy.

Like you try your hardest to not go back. But there you are. Do you know what? That's a lot of people's experience. You know, they end up back home again. Well, home is where the heart is, Lewis. So if you take your heart with you on the road, you're always home. You're always home.

And you can take the weather with you as well. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Everywhere you go. Yeah. You always take the weather with you. That's right, too. Yeah.

And every rose has its thorn as well lewis yeah every road has its thorn yeah every road has its thorn and oh yeah i almost did a road trip after i think it was ta6 i was going to drive from seattle to florida oh yeah i had 10 days i planned this before yeah i have no you're right no it's all right no no carry on though but that was the closest i can if you want to know more go look through all the previous episodes of triforce until i mentioned it i was hoping we could just rehash some old stories it's fella hey listen listen somebody in somebody on reddit pointed out that at one point we started talking about escape rooms but then i think lewis cut us short as lewis does yeah we're about to start talking about them and lewis is like all right we gotta go but we're only three

minutes in boys we got plenty of time to talk about escape rooms anybody got any anything they want to say about escape rooms i've been to one yeah same went to one it was okay we escaped okay lewis lewis no all right so um that's it for escape rooms Moving on to the next I was listening to you Did you ask me? Sorry We can cut the gap

No no it's fine Don't cut the gap I want people to know What we're up against Every single time We record Triforce I I thought I was listening to you

It was like a bunch Look sometimes There's going to be a lag On Discord It has to be trimmed up It's a lag You know it was lag That's why I lose Shooters as well yeah sorry i was obviously i thought because

you two sometimes talk over each other it doesn't sound like it's you but i hear you both at the same time and then i just assume you think i'm staying out of this that's what you think yeah that's what i'm getting old all right this is your cue now lewis loud and clear go have you ever been to an escape room before and if so what was your experience like i've done a bunch of escape rooms um yeah i did one in new zealand i did one like a couple in america did a one in bristol it's they're good they're good fun they're nice they're like i know exactly that's that's my that's that's usually talking about you going to an escape room is a little bit like talking about your dreams like you know yeah no one's interested it's true why why did this guy point

this out i mean why i don't know it was one of those things just you know i guess he was like really interested to hear our heart we didn't have anything interesting to say about this that's it like maybe we did maybe he thought we might have something no sadly friend we did not they're fine and we do not. They're a nice afternoon. I thought you would do them at night, though, really, wouldn't you? Nighttime? It's like a social outing.

I think I'd rather do an escape room than a lot of other things. What would you rather do? What would you rather not do, I mean? Give me a thing you'd rather do as an escape room than... For instance, I wouldn't want to go to a techno club. I wouldn't want to go to like a um a techno club right i wouldn't want to go to a rave either actually um just i'm at the point in my life now where i could just never go to a rave again and i'd be fine with that well look last night what happened was me and sips were together here in bristol because we just finished filming this

thing yeah and you were here so actually you went you went home yeah and so i was like me and his suits were hanging out in the office i was like what do you want to do he's like i don't care and i was like well sure i mean because in my head i was like i could just go home now leave sips to his own devices and then like you know cook some dinner but i was like i kind of want to hang out and talk and stuff and be sociable so i was like what can we do and i went through the options in my head i was like do you want to go to smoothies he was like not really i was like do you want to go to bowling he was like not really i was like what can we do and i went through the options in my head i was like you want to go to smoothies he was like not really i was like do you want to go to bowling he was like not really i was like it's only two of us that would be a bit lame like date you know the skate room don't anyone do that so i was like you want to play a board game he was like sure so he played

some board games and then we both went off and did our stuff and i think you watched like yeah we're gonna watch i watched that vampire movie what oh you watched what we do in the shadows i watched that oh my wife loves that movie yeah oh it's funny as fuck holy shit i liked it a lot and i just went home and and watched a movie as well i watched um some of the the surviving neverland or whatever when i was driving back it was meant to be a really smooth drive but there was a big snare up around bracknell so i got tied up in a little bit of traffic there took a left down the a30 came around the back way

um through sanenbury and uh spanned back on the m25 one junction down to the m3 and then left into twickenham easy peasy but it did add now onto the journey unfortunately but they were talking eddie mayor was talking talking on LBC about Finding Neverland, and people were saying, should we still listen to his music, or should we not? So this is about Michael Jackson, for anyone not in the know, Michael Jackson and his history of child abuse, and the issue is that does the fact that you've now found out all this awful testimony, which is, let's be frank, is probably true about Michael Jackson. Do you still listen to Thriller and music like that?

And there were some people saying it's changed their appreciation of his stuff and they can't listen anymore. And another guy called up and said, look, a lot of people out there that are famous artists or writers or directors or actors or whatever have done shitty, terrible things. Can we separate the art from the artist?

And for example, Gauguin, whether regarded as a master, was fucking little girls out when he was painting those painters. That's why he painted those pictures of little girls. You still see Gauguin in all the fucking galleries. There's not tape over his paintings. Why are we accepting of that?

Is it just an issue of time? Is it that enough time has passed? Are we able to say, look, yes, he was a piece of shit, but the artwork is separate from the person yeah i don't know i think we should all um i think we should still be showing jim will fix it back on tv honestly get him on so you know what get it back on petition lewis let's see how that goes i miss i miss it jim back on british telly i mean now we've got

brexit we don't have to worry about jim will fix fix it. Get him back on. It is shitty that it happens, and it should never happen. But for fuck's sake, it happens all the goddamn time, it feels like. And why are you fucking leaving your kids near these people at any point?

Like, why are you, why would you, why would you let your kid go to fucking Michael Jackson's mansion unsupervised? Because he gave them a load of money. Well, no, it's not quite that. You need to watch the documentary.

It was very cleverly, very insidiously done. Like very slow. If Michael Jackson phoned me up and is like, hey, does your son want to come hang out? I'd be like, no, Michael. Yes, exactly. He fucking doesn't. He wants to stay home where I can see him and fucking do shit that I can supervise him doing. You're not his parent, Michael. Yes, exactly. He fucking doesn't. He wants to stay home where I can see him and fucking do shit that I can supervise him doing. You're not his parent, Michael.

They supervised him doing stuff for like three or four years. He was actually like, these kids were like working with Michael on stage shows and stuff and like hanging out. I would still fucking be there for every minute of this. I just watched the documentary though because you won't be so angry about it when you realize how clever he was about hiding it

Sure, but still I think that there's got to be some accountability on the parents' part and I know it's tragic that that's happened to their kids and everything I think there should be, but also when you're fighting against someone who is very devious

and actually very smart about how they go about it it is it is the easy route to blame the parents people always do um i will just say personally speaking if an adult said would your child like to have a sleepover at my house i'd be like well with your kids yes but with you that's a big fat no like there's no fucking way i'm not saying jackson doesn't have kids he just really likes them like that's not a reason to let him i'm not saying that i'm the best parent and i'm not saying that blaming the parents excuses what he's done because there's no excuse for what he's done i'm saying that it's a it there it's definitely a a mix of things that led to this and not just simply here is a weird deranged twisted predator

um who just had free fucking reign over everybody to mind control them and and lure their kids into his mansion or whatever you know what i mean like it there's a lot of people involved it goes back to last week do we need it did we really need thriller and bad like fucking just delete it get ban it get rid of it we do though they delete it. Get, ban it, get rid of it. Yeah, we do, though. They're like, they're, they're, they're. Just, just get rid of it. There's other stuff.

Some of the highest grossing pop songs of all time. I know, but, you know, every time you think of it, it's like, tainted. It's like, get rid of it. It's not worth it. It's toxic. Give it a few years, I say. Disgusting. Let it, let it all settle down.

These allegations have been going around since the late 80s though people have known about this and you know some people believed it and some people haven't and you know this is just like an another thing that probably proves that it did happen but i don't know it's just been going on for so long that i feel like people are probably just immune to it as well i think that he'll always just have fans who will just look past that I mean exactly like Christopher Columbus he killed tons of tons of slaves and stuff and like raped a load of people I'm sure he did horrible stuff to people and and you know we celebrate him we have a Columbus day thank god we're not throwing America out just because uh you know Columbus was a cunt i do i do think there's a video by a guy

called smarter every day where he talks about columbus just just give it a watch viewers at home and if you haven't read a bit more about columbus before you pass judgment on the man that's all i'm saying not saying he was a great guy you think he was a great guy but a lot of the stuff that people attribute to him is bollocks so go ahead and uh and do do some research at the same time though like people get elevated up into the sky because that's called an elevator god many tall buildings have them yeah when you know some people have you know don't get enough credit throughout history for being important and being these sort of turning points and some people don't't, I guess, don't expect to be important. I don't think Christopher Columbus ever expected to be, you know, the big name.

I guess. A little bit like, it's just sort of history, the way the dice roll. Sometimes if you're just the first to, you know, like, oh, I was running this oil company and I was, I had a, suddenly I was digging oil in Texas and, you know, then I got to be fucking this huge owner of the whole fucking, you know, 1% of the money in America or whatever. It's like it kind of goes out of control. And I don't think that people deserve it sometimes and deserve this high status.

Yeah. Other people. Yeah. It just happens, doesn't it? It's weird. It's human nature in that we attribute things to people and they probably shouldn't have attributed to them and stuff yeah it's interesting topic let's move on i mean uh i mean yeah interestingly look at how many subs i have on youtube it's crazy i don't want to know not deserved like at all like

i but but there you go i mean i know i know someone who streamed um and then stopped streaming and people had forgot to unsubscribe and they still get money like for years they didn't stream and they still made quite a bit of money off it really yeah i don't know whether that's morally questionable but i personally think you know i think if you washed your hands with it and people forget to that they've subbed to you and leave it going i mean you could send a message saying saying not going to be streaming you could but christ money's money right like money for nothing as well and the chicks are free holy yeah damn you're straight probably rolling in their graves you do know that like there's no like a button on twitch that says oh yeah let's let's cancel all these uh subs that

come in no you can me email all your subs though you can email all your subs you can twitch please unsubscribe you could email them and say by the way i haven't streamed in quite some time and i noticed that you're still subbed is this cool with you if not here's a gentle prod to say please uns but don't unsubscribe but please like if you need to or whatever you know i'm not sure i would do that i think like if i if i left and people were still subbed i would just you know take the free cheddar i would ride the gravy subbed, I would just, you know. Take the free cheddar. I would ride the gravy train while the train was still going, you know.

God, I love gravy. Me too. What is this gravy train I hear so much about? I've never seen it. If anyone's seen the gravy train, let us know. Send us a picture of a train carrying gravy. Tell us where it's headed. Tell us, more importantly, where it's come from. Because I want to head to that beautiful place.

Someone has sent a picture to me on Twitter saying, cooking while listening to Lewis's whiny voice. And they sent a picture, the smallest frying pan in the universe, frying two pieces of meat. It's probably a pancake pan. No. I bet you anything it's a pancake pan. It is not a pancake pan. Like one of those small crepe ones. Well, maybe, but it's got meat in it.

Right. It looks like you can't even lay the meat flat because the pan is so small. So before you criticize Lewis's whiny voice, get a bigger frying pan, son. Look at the size of this thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not the takeaway from this. And also, my voice is very whiny, and mostly because I keep whining out of it. I don't know if you whine.

I don't find you very whiny. I'm a whiner. I find you many things. Whiny, I would suggest, isining out of it. I don't know if you whine. I don't find you very whiny. I'm a whiner. I find you many things. Whiny, I would suggest, is not one of them. Intriguing, mysterious, enigmatic, but not whiny. They're all kind of veiled compliments, aren't they? Sure. I bet you could describe Michael Jackson that way too,

if you knew him. Oh, my God. Probably. What are you saying many you know what Michael Jackson he was many things not a whiner not a no he never whined didn't seem whining never had a wine for anyone more of a grunter though 10 after listening to Michael Jackson noises for 10 hours on that video I realized that man dude could grunt like a lot grabbed his dick a lot like i remember thinking back now a lot of the stuff he did was deeply weird like he would he would frame it with his fingers yeah but it had to be like a rebellion against his dad though right like being like a child star and having a weird fucking life and stuff like it was bound

to come out like that at some point you know like framing your dick with your fingers and like yeah i guess if you broken home framed you know grabbing your dick super hard with a metal glove and stuff is that what happened he got hit with a metal glove no no he used to grab his dick with his metal glove remember i think it was stolen it was sequined rather than metal. Well, no, the replacement one was sequined. Oh, really? I think he just couldn't afford another metal glove. Yeah, I'm sure that's why he drew the line.

Well, he fucking pumped a lot of money into Neverland. I want a room just with giraffes and one just with zebras. Michael, are you going to get a new metal glove? How much is it? About 800 bucks. Oh, no, I got a budget, man. I got to worry about my budget. Get me some sequins.

Shamo. Yeah, didn't he buy the whole Beatles catalog at one point as well, which must have been worth a fortune. This was funny. There was an interview with Paul McCartney, and Paul McCartney said, well, I was talking to Michael Jackson about how to make money, and he asked me about the future,

and I said to him, well, you've got to think about the rights to record I don't know what accent this is the rights to the records and he said oh that's interesting and then I turned around and he bought all the Beatles back catalogue and I was like he literally did Paul McCartney was like you know the key is the rights

and Michael was like oh that's a good idea Paul and then bought the rights to all Paul's fucking Beatles records that's genius suck on this paul you fucking bitch nobody gives me advice now you're fucked i mean that's fucking that is such a big dick move as well it really is yeah maybe he was honking his dick like the whole time too like a squeaky toy yeah yeah you You have to watch these documentary spams. It's a rough watch, though.

I think Sony bought them all back off of him at a cheaper price when he was, like, fucking struggling for money. Apparently they were, like, one of the most litigious families in the world at one point. Like, they were fucking constantly in lawsuits. Like, sue, sue, sue. They sued all the time. I suspect because they had really

shady lawyers and anything that happened they'd say michael we urge you to sue and of course you'll have to pay us extra money for that and he was like okay and i think his dad was just a real piece of shit and um i think all of the children grew up like totally crazy like uh psychologically mangled as a result for sure who's comparable these days i mean the kardashians are just in the public eye but they're relatively normal compared to michael jackson i don't know they're pretty fucking weird too yeah but they're not jackson weird no they're not that like it like i found like the jacksons were very eccentric weren't they whereas the kardashians are just sort of boring yeah boring but like like uh

really sort of um it in a different way like massively egotistical oh yeah sort of hungry for popularity and fame and stuff yeah yeah it's where i mean like that you wouldn't have really known about them uh if it wasn't for what kim kardashian sex tape basically like a big ass is what got me their dad was uh was was oj's friend during his trial lawyers and shit right wouldn't he um but yeah but then yeah like the rest of the family you wouldn't have probably ever known anything about had it not been for like that big old ass a sex tape yeah have you seen that sex tape i have no i haven't watched it no it's total garbage yeah it's not very good is it like is it is it good source material for for you know what or no

no no god no you could do way better hot garbage doesn't help with anything the paris hilton one was bad too celebrity sex yeah well they i think they went to school together right they were they ran in the same social circles par Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian. Oh, my God. What you've got to do is get a fucking sex tape. Get a sex tape. Remember when Paris Hilton had a show and everything? Yeah, she was real famous for a spell.

She was famous for a couple of years, and now you never hear anything about her. I think she's doing all right. The heir to the Hilton empire. Yeah, yeah. But she's not really in The heir to the Hilton empire. Yeah, yeah, but like she's not like really in the public eye much anymore. I think she maybe

has grown up a bit and realized that maybe she doesn't want to be plastered all over things constantly as some sort of massive embarrassment.

Yeah, I guess so. Or have other people plaster their things all over her. Judging from what I've seen on that tape. Amazing. She's 38 now.

Holy fuck. You've got to be kidding me. She's the same age as me. That's crazy. Who do you think looks better i'm gonna have to say paris hilton sorry homie fuck you man i'm sorry dude so disloyal i know i would have your back paris hilton what's paris hilton ever gonna do for you i don't know but apparently she'll fuck anybody i mean this guy was just some dude like i don't know who he was people don't turn up to your twitch chat and say where's paris hilton now do they they say where's that that'd be an interesting i would like that hey hey where's paris hilton that i don't know get in touch oh god yeah i'll text her after i'm kind of busy right now just playing counterstrike

source go sorry cs counterstrike go what does the go stand for again oh global offensive sorry yeah sorry that's okay my bad oh the wonderful world of celebrities huh like aren't they all fucking weird it's weird how we talk it's weird because i don't know it's like we hate it but we can't stop talking about it as well do you mean i guess but we we're not like consumers of that stuff i'm really not i'm not like it it interests me in the same way like like you know trying to figure out why an ambulance is turned up and why somebody is being put in the back of it sort of thing i'm interested like morbid curiosity yes but uh yeah like flax i'm not a consumer of this stuff i don't like i've never never watched one of their shows or whatever.

No. Yeah. But I mean, obviously, I'm aware. Like there's a Twitter account called I've no idea who that is or something. Never heard of him, I think it's called. And it's people who go to a thread that say talking about someone that everybody's heard of. And the person's response is never heard of him. Some of these people are very famous.

And there's always a picture of the person that says never heard of him and some of these people are very famous and there's always a picture of the person that says never heard of him they always just some middle-aged white dude with like a football t-shirt on or like a cap and sunglasses holding a beer in some kind of den never heard of him i just love the idea that this person is out there on twitter for some reason scrolling through and going kylie jenner never heard of him sand like yeah good good holly like like hollywood personalities i'm like normally like you know somehow heard of them or like i've seen a tweet with them in or something you know but where where i really stumble is like when people are talking about like other streamers or youtubers and stuff like like i'll say something and somebody be like oh fuck that's like the time xxx sephiroth did that or something i was like who you're right

what but like they talk about them like i should know who they are sort of thing but yeah or someone who's got like well don't you know who that is he's got 13 000 instagram followers or something and i'm like uh what i can't yeah no i don't know who that is. Yeah, that's, you're right. We're in these days of people being celebrities in your own field. Like, you know, if you love fucking maths or whatever, you'll celebrate, you know, who Olga Lady Zedskaya is, who is the Google Doodle for today. You know, like, that'll be your celebrity for, like, someone, you know.

Who is she? She's a Russian mathematician known for her work on partial differential equations she's only taken she took over from the the other the other big boy on the block was uh was a chap from Hungary called Laszlo Lovas that's right I'm uh probably related to him in some kind of way fairly famous mathematician she provided the first rigorous proves of the convergence of a finite difference method for the navier-stokes that's right you did and she did a lot of work with partial differential equations and fluid dynamics yeah yeah no it's really about everyone has like celebrities in their own field and it's it's gonna be like i like that about

about it but you know it depends what you spend a lot of time on if you spend time on instagram if you love instagram and you follow it then you'll know who the top 10 guys are and you'll have had a look at them and been like oh yeah i know that guy i don't know that guy's it would take you long right to to to to learn it and if it's like a thing that's happened or you just come you know if you're around the kind of people who are that are into that you'll learn it through them you know it's it's like, look at this thing. Or if you know someone and they're interested in, I don't know, like fucking anything,

they'll show you stuff on their phone. They'll be like, oh yeah, have you seen this thing? Oh, look, this is really interesting. And people want to share their passions with other people. And so, yeah. That's a good point. I can understand why it happens. I want to share my passions with other people as well.

That's why I'm on the Triforce podcast, being passionate and sharing all the time. So I think like we get we're definitely like we talked about this before but like fatigue with certain things like and I think I sort of figured it out people are very angry uh one way or the other okay and what they're all trying to do is kind of influence those few people in the middle like the swing voters right it feels like in America right now all we're seeing is this massive like explosion of kind of anti-trump and on one side and like pro-trump on the other side and what they're

trying to do is they're trying to like it's like there's this one guy in the middle who's being pulled both ways to me by like extreme stuff from one end and extreme stuff from the other end yeah and most people like 95 percent of people are already made their minds up you know they're either democrat or republican and they're either Democrat or Republican, and they're kind of not going to change, right? Which is why you have these states that are just so locked in. They're never going to switch over often. But you've got these swing states where, you know,

there's a lot of people who can kind of go either way. A lot of people who are undecided. And as a result, you see a lot of the media and stuff that we get exposed to that fatigues us I realise it's not really meant for us it's meant for those people who haven't made up their mind yet in a sense all it does is confirm

things for you, so in a sense it's quite nice for you to watch, it's like oh yes I'm right yes smug face but really after a while it kind of just gets very very tiring anyway that was a thought I had this week in the shower. Nice. What a thing to think about in the shower.

Here I am thinking about ponies with rubber dicks on their forehead and stuff, and you're thinking about real stuff like politics and Trump and swing voters and middlemen. It's just everywhere. It's so in your face i guess yeah if you hang out on certain like social media things like reddit yeah if you hang out there it's kind of unavoidable that it gets to your face and i'm trying to i'm trying to like i was reading block red yeah i was reading a thing about how media and how sort of biased it can be and the things that the media chooses to report on and then chooses to serve to you. And there's a lot of people who say that, you know, it's like brainwashing, right?

Like they pick and choose. They omit things that are probably important for other things that are going to be more entertaining and so on and so forth or whatever. entertaining and so on and so forth or whatever. And then people were saying about Reddit, how there's like certain users who've just for some reason, get like, like tons and tons of upvotes, but are very sort of like, like big media outlets, you know, like they have a very filtered sort of view and contribution to Reddit, but this stuff always gets massively upvoted. But it's harder on Reddit to see or notice what's being posted by who sort of thing, right? You have to really take some time to look at it.

You know what gets me? There's no avatars. Like, on Something Awful, people had an avatar. So I got to know someone by their avatar. And yeah, you had to pay to change it, so you didn't do it all the time. But you kind of got to know people. thing with discord same thing with steam i kind of get to know people by their avatar yeah and when on on fucking reddit it's just like a tiny little username so it's more about the post than the where it's come from i think that's kind

of kind of dangerous actually in a way but i guess it means that people don't just upvote people they recognize which is one thing you do get on those big forums. Yeah, but there is some of that going on, though, is what I'm trying to say. And it serves to make something like Reddit, you know, almost identical to, like, you know, mass media outlets and stuff, too. You know, it's very filtered, very sort of biased. If you don't take care to see who's posting what and notice what gets like uh upvoted and stuff yeah because i think you can mute posts by um by users and stuff

too so some people are saying like oh yeah i've like muted that guy so i never see his posts now right before i'd always fall into the trap of reading his posts not realizing it was him but it's like massively upvoted and it's really easy to then just say like, well, this seems to be the popular opinion. So like, I believe this sort of thing. So how did those things get upvoted so much? I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know if it's some weird way of gaming Reddit, or they just have like, you know, like massive karma or bots or some I don't know. But it does seem to happen. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it's just something worth being careful of. So one thing I watched this week that was super interesting

was this guy who's running for president. I think his name's Andrew Wang, maybe? Could be wrong. And he was on Joe Rogan's show. It was quite interesting because he's this Asian guy running for president, and he almost has this slightly apocalyptic view of the next sort of 10 years where we're going to have all self-driving cars and self-driving trucks like taking over in America and putting like five million people out of work. And obviously, that's going to be something that gets mirrored all over the world. It's not just but I think we we have like this kind kind of i guess like spotlight on america in a sense like we kind of what happens

there is kind of a little is mirrored elsewhere often um in in other countries and so you see but to a to a sort of slightly less panicked extent um but he was basically sort of talking about how other things are going to change as well maybe we should have like a universal basic income for people because you know so many jobs are just going to be abandoned um and there's going to be this huge amount of people who are out of work and bored yeah it's bad i mean what you know what we're going to do with with people who will not necessarily do but like you know i feel like even if we you know some scary idea that there's going to be all these people because when i when i don't have anything to do i get really crazy yeah and it's kind of just people have to have purpose and like how do you

give people purpose when robots are building everything and making everything and driving everything because that's the inevitability that we're we're moving towards it's weird how the kind of dystopian futures that we possibly might approach are not things like caused by a meteor or a super volcano or a fucking you know global pandemic or whatever you know it might just be something as simple as you know there's just no jobs and nothing to do anymore yeah people are just really angry the thing is people always respond to that fear with, they said the same thing when they brought in new farming techniques, and all the people that they used to use as farmhands had to go find other jobs, right?

Yeah. But I think that there is a difference. The fundamental difference is that we knew that new jobs would come along that people would need people to do. Like, all right, yes, they've improved farming to the point where you no longer needed people out there physically doing the work that now machines could do. But there's a difference in that once we have robots,

not just a machine that makes things more efficient, but a robot that replaces a person, there's no reason that any other job that the average person does won't also fall under that same purview of robots right and the point is any new jobs that come along it's not like a company's going to waste time getting robots that can do that job if it's something that the average person can do and if we're getting to the point where driving is something average person can do and

now robots can do that if we get to the point where the average job is easily robotified we do have a problem and it's not like we can just say oh there'll be new jobs it's like well these all these new jobs will have to be magically ones that machines can't do and we've already established that we can get robots to do anything that the average robots are fairly expensive probably more expensive than a lot of definitely not more expensive than people then some people make in their lifetime like come on like some people get paid like jack shit right like how much does a robot cost they do things like not work as efficiently as a robot will that's a big thing so if i'm working at mcdonald's i'm gonna there's gonna be spoilage there's gonna be theft there's gonna be sick gonna there's going to be spoilage there's going to be theft there's going to be sick days there's going to be people who just quit leaving you short-starved but now you're going

to McDonald's 24 hours a day the place is spotless the food is ready in two seconds perfect service everything why would you but also if you look at new McDonald's they have like big um order boards now yeah there's a new co-op near my place it's got six self checkouts and one normal check same same same with the test goes near us that used to be six people yeah and now it's one person and six robots and that's not they're not robots really no no no but you still need people to like stock the shelves you need people to monitor those stations and stuff i think i think there's probably realistically maybe a little bit less, but not necessarily six less people working there

because of that. But at the same time, I order stuff on Ocado. Ocado warehouses are like Amazon warehouses. They're done by robots. The robots put the stuff in the bags. Imagine like there's a self-driving like little bus that picks it up out of the thing,

drives it to my place. I meet it outside and take it out the back like there's i mean i can see a future where that's almost the case you know it's currently there's a guy i have to meet you know and he's fine and everything but that's one guy like yeah you know that's me that's something where you know we used to look at walmart look at how many people work and that's the biggest company. It's huge. It's like one of the biggest employees in the world or something crazy like that. It's one of the biggest employees in the world and one of the biggest things. People still need to somehow earn money to buy and use all these services.

Right, but that's the point is that if these companies do go down that road of just replacing everything with robots and they all do it in a fairly short time frame, where's the money going to come from to buy goods? They all do it in a fairly short time frame. Where's the money going to come from to buy goods? And then if there's a basic, like a universal income or something like that, then it just turns into funny money, right? It's just your money that you're lending to somebody to then just like buy your shit with again over and over. But I mean, so imagine if you tax all the companies that use robots,

a robot tax, right? So they all have to pay money. And this money just goes to people. So the thing is, the companies should still be happy with that. But then the robots will rise up and be like, less taxes on robots. What are you more scared of, a robot uprising or like a human uprising? Especially humans nowadays. a human uprising especially humans nowadays like most of them are just like fucking mountain dew addled cheeto flake fucking covered you know fat so yeah would you rather face those guys

the tiki torch crowd and all those guys or robots going no taxation without representation it does not compute like you could presumably reason with a robot uprising, I guess. Like, how about we double your oil ration? They'll be like, acceptable. You know? Oh, for fuck's sake. I guess they'd be more reasonable than people. People are very tribal.

I don't think machines would be. They wouldn't mess around. I mean, the fear of a robot uprising is ridiculous. We're far more likely to face an uprising of people who are sick of their fucking jobs than robots who are programmed to just stack shelves i don't think the robots can one day just going to have an existential crisis and go oh what's the point this is all so useless i hate my life who's with me you know it's yeah it they'll just do it this which is kind of tragic because they're almost like a replacement for a person, which is why we anthropomorphize them.

But it is kind of sad to think that we're designing people to work 24 hours a day, and that's essentially, that's like the goal of all these companies, is to find an employee who will work for free, never get sick, work round the clock, and never complain,

and just do whatever shitty job you give them. Robots are like capitalism's wet dream when it comes to employees. I mean, they have running costs, though, and if they break down and stuff, they cost money, right? But people break down. Sure. People break down all the time, and people are shit at their jobs. And also, people are very, they're variable in quality.

They're easily replaceable by other people. Sorry, guys, if you're listening and you're offended by P-Flex. It's true. I'm a person. I'm a terrible employee. Like, I hated my job. Robots don't give a shit.

And they never get sick. And they will work all the time. Like, these trucks driving out there will be running 24-7. They don't even have to stop to recharge. That's it. So you have some warehouse somewhere. You have a factory that's making stuff that's all robots all the shipping and the

transportation robots all the inventory management robots and it's perfect then nothing goes missing nothing gets forgotten it's all recorded everybody does their job with 100 efficiency you could design it like one of those factorio things you like so much lewis where it's all just conveyor belts and perfection and machines. And all you have to do is plug in raw resources and out the other end spits money. And yes, you would need a few people, but the idea that these companies, oh, you still need a few people.

How many? Not enough. Not that many. Not enough. But it's a sliding scale as well, right? Because you'll still need a few people for a while. Yeah. But then it kind of gets

like i think even like certain jobs that you guys that we've traditionally figured are safe right like haircuts um apparently could be done by robots which sounds mental and accounting like the other thing is like it's just because everything's digital now you could imagine a case where you log into a site you link your bank account you link your thing much like you link your steam account to your blizzard account or whatever or your twitter account your youtube account yeah you link all your bank accounts to your accounting account and it fucking does it all for you it's like bam bam bam job done and then you know there's no accountants needed the accountants are just there to help for a few years they're there to help old people get to the new system

but once you've moved out of that, once the transition is over, pretty much every job is doable by a machine. It's scary because everyone's job is like, well, am I going to be faced with this? Who knows? Like teachers, you know, like teaching is this massive mega thing, right? But, you know, a lot of teachers are crap

or not done well. Like these days, it's more like what kids have got is a room full of laptops and you sit there and they watch like a professional teacher with an approved plan and they go through the same lesson and there's just you know someone checking occasionally that they're not or even with cameras you know you could even have a guy with a camera and just check that none of the kids are messing around you know have like a control room watching 500 kids with one teacher for the whole day crazy i don't know if that'll ever happen

somehow but i think that's like teaching kids yeah i think there'll always be a person involved somehow because like i think i think there's the the teaching side of it but then like like well you've got kids that go to school and you know what like their peers are like and so some people don't have uh a dad some people might not have a mom or whatever. And a person who can sort of fill that role for a couple of hours a day matters. There's lots of different considerations. I would hate to see robots replace people in any job involving kids, involving sick people. I don't think you want a machine saying you have two weeks and just and just moving on to the next person to give them there yeah you know you have one month to live

same with like same with things like medicine like i know like there's robots being used to do a lot of medicinal things but like for for surgeries where it's not um just a straightforward case of like if this do that if that do that sort of thing where you have somebody with a ton of expertise that can sort of say hang on we we might need to try to do this and there's like a there's like a risk but it could pay off sort of thing and then it does i don't know if a robot would ever be able to fill those shoes you know what I mean? Listen, I think there could be a world where, especially judging from the earlier chat that we had in this podcast

about people abusing their positions of power, I think there could be a world where people are like, I'd rather have my kid follow an online syllabus where they just watch a series of YouTube videos every day and check a few boxes at the end of the day to check that they've learned everything what would humanity look like if we removed no but you know what i mean i'm not i'm not the one suggesting it but i'm suggesting that the world that we're living in might lead towards these people being you know like there's no male teachers because you because of this right as

well like like i i would never really be very comfortable being a male teacher. I know some male teachers. Like a primary school teacher. I know some male teachers in primary school. And I think they have a lot of problems. I think they, well, first of all, they have to know how to handle kids, right? This is a problem. Kids are very affectionate by their nature,

which is one of the problems, really, is that they trust adults and they love them and they see adults that they see every day as someone that they can trust and that they love and they want to hug them and stuff like that where do you draw the line as a parent where do you draw the line as a teacher how do you regulate this is the problem so if we have a robot replace them we're just we're removing one problem we're saying well there we go we won't have any teachers that or anyone in a position of power with children that abuses children but then we also would have any affection we have no humanity and every job and everything is replaced by robots and people now see human interaction very rarely it becomes incredibly rare so for some people the only conversation they have especially elderly people people live on their own the conversation they have every day

is with a person in a shop or the bus driver or something. It sounds sad, but it's true. And that can be all makes a difference. But the thing is in an ideal world, right? This is a, it should be a positive thing. Losing all of these truck driving jobs and crappy jobs that people didn't really want to do anyway, freeing up their time, giving them the opportunity to have fulfilling jobs and jobs where they're like you know or or or helping out like old people you know it should be a good thing it's not a bad thing right all of this should be we are making humanity more efficient we have more resources we have enough food for everyone we have enough medicine for everyone we have enough time to care for everyone like everyone

should be healthier happier live longer better we put more time, more effort into the jobs to make people happy and satisfied and fulfilled. We don't have to have people have these sucky things. Once robots take over all of the jobs and stuff, and the only thing left for people to do is either host a podcast, or become a YouTuber or streamer. So all we're doing is either streaming ourselves or watching like other people stream and then have robots serve us like our food and and everything

else we'll we'll be like the society that lives on the spaceship on wally that's that'll be fun won't it that'll be really fun i'm looking forward to that we lose all of our bone density and stuff i would hope that people would use their free time well, not just to become blobs. Finally, honey, get the kids our dream of becoming gelatinous creatures that float weightlessly in space. I mean, already it's happening. We're not even close to the...

I think even in this conversation that we're having, we have no real conception of what it's going to be like when it changes. It could be great. It could be weird it could be anything like we it's completely because nothing is going to be done in in such a set way you know like one company might automate everything and that'll work but another company might not be able to and you know what i mean it's not just going to be like an all or nothing it'll it'll be all over the place you know some companies won't be able to afford to do it and then some companies companies if they're competing with companies that do have robots will just go out of business like you can't compete no but some some people don't have to compete though as well like it just depends on what the

business is what they're doing where they are some jobs but i think the thing is we need to make sure that if we go for the universal basic income i actually think that is probably the only way if there are if we arrive at a future where there is very few jobs and no potential to create more yeah because there's no value for businesses in employing a person when there's a machine that can do it and probably within 100 years robots will be unrecognizable from the lumpen idiots that we have today no offense robots everything we're saying is is robots we don't upset people but but what will people do for example let's say that you want to do physical work you like to work outdoors yeah you get your universal basic income you can't get a job doing those things but you would hope that there would be other people that would say well

how about we go clean up the fucking river or how about we go and make the park really nice or how about we go plant a load of trees or how about we just fucking grow our own food yeah how about we just do this people will definitely do stuff like that you got to remember as well a lot of this stuff comes down to like uh to the sort of relativity of your own situation and and somebody who's like coming up with some of this stuff their situation as well you know like lewis is saying oh yeah everything in my life could be easily automated. And that's probably true. But like, there's still some places in the world where people go and rent movies and rent DVDs and stuff. It's true. That doesn't happen around where I live. And so to me, I just assume that the rest

of the world is like, so advanced that they'd never need to rent something again. But there are definitely places that are still a bit behind everything else right and and are happy to be there as well there's no pressing need for them to advance to the point where they don't need these things or whatever you know their internet maybe is not so good out there or they're they're very rural or whatever there's like a million fucking reasons why a lot of places wouldn't necessarily become these automated utopias sort of thing. Just because three fucking nerds who podcast for a living can easily imagine their whole lives being automated. There's fucking like 7 billion people in the world. But I'm not talking about rural Africa and saying they're going to have robots, obviously.

Well, I'm not talking about rural Africa either, but I'm saying there's still parts of Britain, there's still parts of America. We are. Like, absolutely. We are talking about this. The thing is, this juggernaut of infrastructure that keeps our modern world going, of electricity and trucking and shipping and air and freight and mail, and also, like, the fucking digital communications we have like this is in the financial system this is this does touch rural africa you know where the fucking we we we get trucks going out to pick up the bananas off these african farms you can get google street

view in the middle of fucking nowhere you can see these these places are becoming very quickly modernized and brought into the real world with impacts that affect them. And you know, you can have a guy in a control center in fucking Texas driving a truck that does mining in fucking rural Africa. You can have a fucking guy in a control center in Australia having a fucking, you know, oil refinery monitoring the fucking automated gasoline refinery in the fucking east coast of africa that fucking puts stuff on a ship and ships it out this is this is touching it today right i agree what you're saying is that people don't have lives and don't necessarily need automation um and sometimes in

some parts of their life i think people can still live a life completely off the grid and and without it see it's seeing it but it is there affecting a vast majority of people, whether they like it or not, because we do take a lot of things for granted. People in Thailand, sure, they don't rent DVDs, but they still go to the supermarket and that food is all made on grand fields and with great big tractors and automated stuff

and it's still shipped in. These things will quickly be replaced by the cheaper, the better, the alternatives that people have like you know you go to china it's all genetically modified seeds and stuff they're not using like some sort of seeds from hundreds of years ago they're using the latest ones coming out of these companies right now it's it's cheaper it's better it's more effective they change over it's it's a very quick thing that happens and like you know sure it in our lifetimes it's probably gonna be a

lot it's not gonna be some sort of terrifying apocalypse it's going to be a gradual process but what i'm trying to say is that there's this movement of this truck this juggernaut coming down the road and we can't stop it it's gonna of course damage it's going to cause something to happen and we want to try and mitigate that or at least turn it into positive effects like we have to see or at least try and plan for how we're going to deal with an incredibly huge amount of unemployed people all right so let's look at some positives first of all if this is going to affect a lot of people there is going to be political momentum to do something about it rather than just say forget about it we're not just talking about a couple of million people we're talking about millions and millions of people in most of the western world having their jobs replaced over

the next 25 to 30 years so there will be political motivation to do something about it there has to be there has to be because no political party would be able to run and say we're standing for the robots fuck the people you know what i mean that wouldn't work what about the robo party of america though one seat they'd get like one seat also there'd be like the three-party system doesn't work even with robots come on obviously not going to work second of all people would not feel

compelled to live in just urban areas squeezing themselves into smaller and smaller places in cities you could live anywhere if you don't need to worry about doing

a specific job for a specific company and you just get money that will help honestly to spread people around the country rather than compress them

you don't need to live in a bedsit in East London because it's still an hour commute but that's the best you can get to your shitty job you can now live pretty much anywhere you could live in a much nicer country if you want exactly so you could honestly relax the the way we're all becoming compressed and stressed and finding we have less time and we i think one of the reasons people are so fat and lazy now is because they have to put so much of their soul and effort and physical grind into this miserable existence that we call life, of doing a job they don't really care for, to pay the bills.

If a fucking robot can do it, and you can be given some sodding money and just enjoy life, how the fuck can that be a bad thing going forward exactly this can't be the pinnacle of humanity to say no no we have to roll it back and there has to be someone stocking that shelf and earning minimum wage no i want to see that person given the money and that they need to live and be able to live as a fucking human being and enjoy life without having to do these miserable cunt jobs if a robot can do it why the fuck are we defending and say we got to keep these shitty jobs a mechanical arm can do in the hands of a living breathing emotional human person no get the mechanical arm let the person be free don't i agree let them cling to the jobs that are mechanical

that can do it yeah but we don't need a person it's like imprisoning them yeah but like fucking teddy's box factory can't afford that arm though is what i'm saying teddy's box factory is a is a exploiter of people fucking you hear me teddy's box factory is just trying to get by teddy teddy had a dream well teddy had a dream to supply the world with boxes i get it right i get it like sips if you want to have like your little um your garden and you want to grow your vegetables you want to do everything and you want to raise your kids and do everything like independently great that's fine but like at the same time i'm not saying i want to do that if you want if you want like i like the idea like the guys these days like it's more artisan than

ever everyone's making their own artisan coffee. I've tried growing vegetables. It sucks. That's great. It really sucks. But in a sense, what we're seeing is, like, a local community stuff. Like, you know, in Bristol, we go out to the market, and there's guys who run their local, like, little noodle van. And they run, they go home, and they make their noodles, and they go out, and they sell it onto these vans.

And I get it for lunch, and it's nice. And it's like, they're not planning to be the next fucking McDonald's, right? No. They're not thinking, oh, let's franchise this noodle van out to all these cities and suddenly they'll be in an office. They get a robot arm that makes the noodles and serves the noodles. They're doing it because they like making noodles. They like making the recipes and growing the vegetables themselves and buying them from local places. They like doing the cooking.

They like meeting the people. They like serving it to people for a couple of hours a day and then fucking off and going home. And, you know, maybe one day they don't feel like going out and doing their fucking noodle van. After five years of serving people noodles that you like doing for about five years, you get to the point where you're like,

fuck, I don't know if I really like doing this anymore. You don't need to replace him with a robot. He can just shut his van down and just go fucking do something else, I guess, right? Like, it doesn't really matter. And the people, if you want to grow your own food, like you food like you said pflex if you want to live a fucking life like like do it but you shouldn't have to be tortured to like think oh fuck okay i have to i have to go and fucking be a mechanical arm for for the next 17 hours and then get crunched two hours of sleep before i start it all again now maybe maybe you'll

make slightly less but you will be, for one thing, you won't have job insecurity. You won't have to commute. You'll have a lot more free time. Hopefully, hopefully, this could lead to a golden age, liberation of people from the grind of day-to-day work.

That's my dream. It'll never happen. Is to see people liberated from it. Because I know how miserable it is. This is all created by design. What is? Everything. Misery. Misery, of course it is. by design it's all everything misery misery of course it is no because that's what gets people out to buy shit that's what keeps the economies going you don't think

people would buy slippers or boxes from teddies or a nice chocolate bar unless they'd had a shitty day at work man i'm telling you like it's crazy to think that that's how the world is going to be with whoever is whoever or the small amount of people who control the world right now however they do it are never going to let you get to the point that you want to get to you've been watching you're right i'm telling you there's no fucking way that people are going to have free time happiness and some sort of utopia when there's money to be made that's how the world works they're gonna make the money from the robots that's gonna cut back their costs people

still need to be miserable and motivated to purchase though that's what i'm saying i don't know whether purchasing is the way forward you know like look i don't know rich and successful and incredibly happy people still spend money sipsips. They don't just sit around saying, I've got my bare house. Everybody was filthy rich, happy and successful. We wouldn't be filthy rich, but we wouldn't just have to be consumers. Look where that's got us. We've got plastic in everything. Yeah.

Pollution in everything. Yeah. People are eating horrible food just because they want to fucking consume. How much better could it be? That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying let's at could be it could be a lot better i'm i'm i'm with you i think it would be great but i think it's super fucking unrealistic of course i hope i'm wrong we're gonna be dead in 20 years the planet's gonna smack into something or we're gonna blow something up but that's all i think you're allowed to be pessimistic right and pessimism is is fine but

i think that you can you should still hope that you are wrong yeah you should still be like hopeful that this does bring about let's be honest we will fuck it up of course we'll fuck it up but we could at least as long as we have enough people in the early days saying hey how about we make this approach and try this maybe it'll work but if we just go in saying this is gonna suck everything suck, everything's going to be terrible, then I think it probably will be. Well, maybe, yeah. Let's try it. That's what I'm saying.

Let's try it. Hold my hand and we'll try together. Like Thelma and Louise, but with robots, okay? Okay, I'm holding your hand. Thelma and Louise with, yeah, okay. I'm holding it as well. We're in a little circle, okay? We're in a circle holding hands.

Cool. Now what? Please. Drive off the cliff? No. May our robots overlords be gentle with our fragile human bodies and may our life flames be toasted

like a marshmallow for eternity. If you enjoyed this shit make sure to Patreon or whatever you fucking fucking who enjoyed this one? There's jokes to be had.

This was torture. No, come on. We need it. We've done worse. It's like the Empire Strikes Back. Every once in a while, you need like a bridging episode. You need a dark one. On your first watch, you think, God, this was bad.

But then later on, you come to appreciate it as just being essential to the experience, right? And this is that episode. Exactly. It can't be fucking happy all the time. The next one will be right back to farts and dicks and coming on people and stuff. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. I think in summary,

this episode could have been made by a mechanical arm. Yeah. But as it is... They got their parts together. Michael Jackson, the robots, and... Listen, I think it is, in a sense, it's a Triforce episode. I think next week's episode we should

record with TTS voices so as to say like oh the podcast has been taken over by robots we could try that for five minutes

we could tie it Flax and Sips and Lewis are just out fucking they got all this free time they're exercising

they're happy they're growing their own vegetables and stuff Lewis is having a lovely time today and I'm like they don't have to do a podcast it's just the robots have enslaved humanity matrix style yeah and put us all in factories yeah we're just all in like little like uh milk milk uh containers hooked up with milk tubes, and they're using our brains, our brain power.

We're like in a coma with milk tubes connect to us, and they use our brain power to power the machines. God bless everyone. God bless America. I can't wait. Good night. Thanks for watching, everyone, for listening. That's Triforce.

We'll see you next week. Until then, goodbye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Until then, goodbye.