Triforce! - Triforce! Mailbag Special #37: Lewis' Eras Tour

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

Triforce Mailbag Special 37! Flax tests the gang on some unusual Baseball terms, we ask when do swimming trunks become underwear and we have some advice for someone thinking of switching jobs! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to another mailbag special. We shouldn't call them specials. It's just a Triforce mailbag. Some of them are really special though. Yeah, but you couldn't have a special every other week. That's not a special. Like you have like a Christmas special or something. Well, I've been watching the bear recently and they currently they're changing their menu every single day.

And that's kind of special, too. So, you know. Well, you do have a special, a daily special, which is like the thing that they've got too much of and they want to ship. No, these guys are just changing the menu every single day and using top ingredients and it's becoming an issue for them. Oh man, what series are you on? Three.

I haven't started three yet, so... Sorry, spoilers. That's alright. Restaurant things happen in the Bay. Yes. I didn't know there was going to be cooking this season. That's crazy. They were going to segue into him becoming a commercial airline pilot, things happen in the bear. ALICE Yes. Yes. God, I didn't think. I didn't know there was gonna be cooking this season. That's crazy.

ALICE They were gonna segue into him becoming a commercial airline pilot, which is also quite a stressful job sometimes, I think. SEAN That's true. So, before we get into the emails, obviously you guys know I'm a big baseball fan, I have prepared a list of baseball slang. ALICE Okay. SEAN And I'd love to hear if you guys know what these things are. Or if you can guess.

So, let's start with a nice easy one. This first one is a can of corn. A can of corn. I'm familiar with baseball, but I can't say that I've ever heard of a can of corn in relation to baseball. ALICE Is that when you hit the ball with the handle of the bat, or something, I dunno. Like, hits the wrong name. RILEY The can of corn is when it's a big high fly ball

and you can just hold your glove there and it just falls lazily into your glove. It's like an easy catch, a high fly ball that's an easy catch. ALICE A can of corn is easy to catch, is it? RILEY Yeah. ALICE I would refer to that as a pop fly. But, there you go. Well, a pop fly is another one, but the can of corn is specifically the... and that is a can of corn.

Like, they use these... they don't just say, that's a pop fly, every time. Because this obviously is an old game, it's been broadcast for a hundred years or whatever. That is a blooper. Right, a blooper single out to left field, that's the kind of thing you hear. So here's the next one, chin music. Chin music? Yeah. Uh, is that something to do with the bat catcher?

The catcher? Yeah. The bat catcher. What's the bat catcher? The guy who catches the bats to stop him getting into the stadium. No, it's not the catcher. So, go on. Is it getting hit in the face?

Close! A pitch that whizzes by the chin of the batter, such that they can hear it sing. So it's like an intimidating pitch, you give them a bit of the old chin music. Right? A chin whistler. Yeah, a chin whistler. What is it? A frozen rope.

Frozen rope. Yeah. Okay, I think that might be... Does that have to do with... No, okay, no. Is it something to do with the in-between bases being very covered? Yeah, is it the bases are stacked or something? No, a frozen rope is when the ball is hit so powerfully and so well that it's like a straight line, like a laser beam.

Like a frozen rope, there's no dip to it at all, it's just like a power shot, it's just like pshh, straight out of there. Okay. Well I thought it was maybe because there was something to do with ropes being used between the bases to measure out stuff. I dunno. What about the Golden Sombrero? I think you have to pay extra for that. I'm here for the Golden Sombrero, if you know what I mean. Any guess, Sips? Oh...

I don't know, I have no clue. It's the fictitious trophy awarded to a batter who strikes out four times in a game. They get the Golden Sombrero. Yikes! It's like, instead of a hat trick, a hat trick is three, the Golden Sombrero is four. Alright, this should be gettable. A worm burner. A worm burner?

A worm burner? Yeah. That's one, that's a ball that rolls along the ground. Right, like a be gettable. A worm burner. A worm burner? A worm burner? Yeah. That's a ball that rolls along the ground. Right, like a daisy cutter. It's a worm burner. That's when you hit the ball and it just goes straight along the ground. Alright, big as a grapefruit. Big as a grapefruit.

Big as a grapefruit. An easy to hit pitch. So you're very close, it's not an easy to hit pitch. It's a pitch that, let's say the hitter is doing well, he just sees the pitch well, he's guessed where it's gonna go, and Mickey Mantle said it was like, I just saw the ball as big as a grape, he's just seen it really well. And the opposite is swinging at aspirins, because obviously they're very little, is when you're in a slump.

Swinging at aspirins. Swinging at aspirins. Or if you pitch, throwing seeds, it's like you're throwing pitches so fast it's so hard to see the... It's like the bats are comparing. Trying to hit a mosquito! Alright, these are the last four, I promise. Okay. These are all ones I've never heard.

Well yeah, I went for the deep cuts. Alright, the hidden ball trick. Do you know what the hidden ball trick is? Uh, no. That's when it's... when they do that fake out pitch and then they swing and then they go for the real one after behind the back. So that's a pick... no no no, so they can't do that. That's a bolt.

The hidden ball trick is when sometimes they throw to first to try to get the runner at first if he's off the bag. And then the first baseman pretends to throw it back to the pitcher, but actually holds the ball and if the guy on base stands up to dust himself off, you tag him, and he's out. That's the hidden ball trick. ALICE Oh, I see. So he saw the motion, but he didn't see the ball, though. RILEY Yeah, he didn't see the ball.

Because sometimes people aren't paying attention. ALICE That's lame. I don't think that should be in the game. RILEY No, it's awesome. It is awesome, believe me. ALICE Lame. RILEY Alright, the Dead Ball Era. ALICE The Dead Ball Era.

ALICE The Dead Ball Era. RILEY Yeah, sounds like a historic event, but the dead ball era. I have no idea. I'm coming up to my dead ball era. I know. I mean, getting old. Well, you had that pain in the nuts the other week, so... I did!

Did you have nut pain? Well, I told you didn't I? I was told by when we were streaming, that apparently what can happen is, if you get hit in the balls, you get one of them damaged... You could get some swelling. It can, like, shrink, right? And then the other one will grow to, like, replace the missing... The other ball is like, look at me, I'm the daddy now!

So you can get, like, a mega ball. So shout out to anyone out there with a mega ball. Is that what you've got? No, but I'm just saying that... You just read about it. I'm worried about it, Jeremy. Well, that's still nothing on the 95 pound testicle. with a megaball. No, but I'm just saying that I'm worried about it. I mean, I'm worried that I'll have a...

ALICE Well, that's still nothing on the 95lb testicle, that I told you guys about. JUSTIN Dead ball. Well, I guess that would be my dead ball era. SEAN No, the dead ball era was 1900 to 1920, when they basically didn't change the ball up very much, it would get all stuck. ALICE Oh, so it's not referring to something within the game as such. SEAN No, it is, Steve. ALICE It's referring to a something within the game, as such.

It's referring to a period of time to do with the game. JUSTIN Yeah, yeah. ALICE So the ball got, like, fucked up. I guess it was expensive. JUSTIN Yeah, and pictures would scuff it up. It was like cricket, where the ball gets all fucked up. And they change it occasionally. So it was much harder to hit the ball.

Everybody's batting average was in the dirt. ALICE There's always been a bit of this, like adulteration of the ball. I remember watching cricket back in the, like, 90s, and people were always rubbing mud on it and spitting on it and fucking doing all sorts of shit to it. RILEY PICKIN Picking it and rubbing it with a bit of sandpaper, yeah. Because you get more grip or it spins more, all that kind of stuff. ALICE Right. RILEY PICKIN Alright, last two, the Green Monster.

ALICE Um, is that... RILEY PICKIN Green Monster, I've heard of that. ALICE Is that something to do with... RILEY PICKIN It's the Grinch. RILEY PICKIN It's not the Grinch. It's Shrek. It's a wall at Fenway Park, the home of the Boston Red Sox. It's literally a wall, it's painted green.

And it's really really big. Fallout 4, I think. It's in there, right? It's in there as well, yeah. Is it? Yeah. And the last one is Moneyball. Do you know what Moneyball is?

I've seen the movie, but is it something to do with the movie? RILEY Uh, yep. Yep. They call it money ball. Do you know what money ball is? ALICE I can't remember what the meaning was. RILEY It's... Oh god, is it... is it to do with, like, a...

I don't know. I don't know. Is it like a one shot? Is it like a... like, he got just... it was like a one ball and he's out? RILEY No. It's a way of managing your baseball team that maximises spending as little money as possible, because you haven't got any, to get the most value for money team that you can. Yeah.

So you're looking at the science of like, their batting averages, statistics, all this stuff to basically put together... Spreadsheet sim. Right. And then, like, what can we get that will help us win? It's like how I play football manager. Exactly. You gotta do a bit of money ball.

You sort by the columns. No transfer fee. Okay, who's got the best ratio of money to go in? Are you 15 years old? Can you jump high? Those are the kind of guys I'm working for. Right. How high can you jump?

I want jumpers. 15 year old jumpers. Yes. Alright, let's get to some mails. I just thought that would do it. Eh, you know, start things off. I like that! This is called, We Got Em, brackets, Sips.

Uh, hey, period, long time listening from Georgia, after eight years I've started to get back and start the podcast over. When I re-listened to episode 14 entitled, Oh, DeVito, and I caught a Sips quote that aged like fine milk, at one nineteen thirty-four, very specific, the topic of the apprentice came up. And Sis says, and I quote, I didn't mind it, but I wouldn't watch it like fucking ten years of that show. Jesus. ALICE Yeah, here we are. Ten years later, and it sucked me right in. RILEY It grabbed you by the bowl? ALICE It's grabbed me by my mega-bowl.

It's grabbed me by the money ball. And yeah, I know, I have watched it pretty much consistently for ten years since. Yes, you have. You definitely talk about it every time there's a new season, it comes up. How it is, who's on it, what it's like. You say it, you talk about it in this kind of frustrated, angry way. Yes. Like these fucking people, like, every time.

I know. Hate watching. Yes, it is hate watching, yeah. time. I know, I know. Hate watching. Hate watching. Yes, it is hate watching, yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. But here I am still hate watching that show. Still apreciate. I'm sure there's tons of that stuff.

God, if we listen to everything we said we wouldn't do, or didn't enjoy, or wouldn't get into and then found out later, subsequently. Yeah. There's been a lot of that stuff where I've been... I feel like I probably am the same, but I like to think that I'm not the same, but I definitely have known within myself that I will be very quick to judge and condemn something without even giving it a try, you know? And I need to be more open.

Nice. This is called Boomer Gamers. It's not directed at us. Just finished listening to Mailbag 35 where you spoke about boomers and their gaming habits. My dad is a classic right wing boomer, but grew up a big nerd. This sounds like my dad, in all honesty. He gave up gaming around the time my brother and I could play for ourselves, but we loved watching him play Super Mario 64.

Last year... Hang on, Super Mario 64? Dad can't be that old. Last year, my dad and I introduced, my wife and I introduced him to Satisfactory. In the hopes he would spend more time playing a brain intensive game and less time wallowing in QA non-horse shit. He owns and operates a concrete plant, so we figured Satisfactory would be attractive to him. I watched him boot it up for the first time and he simply could not understand moving in first person, nor could he press any keyboard keys without looking down at the keyboard. In the years since, he has put in hundreds of hours and loves to show us his progress

on his truly spectacular factory. This guy has gotten much further in the game than I ever did, having built a particle accelerator, several nuclear reactors, etc. I'm truly impressed at his ability to improve so much control in the game and the boggling constructions he's made. My mum still huffs whenever he's playing that silly game, but I like to think we're saving his old, old brain." Yeah, no, I think that's good. Oh, totally. And, oh, it's so...

Better to spend your time doing that than reading crap on the internet. It's such a well named game, because it is immensely satisfying to... It's like, I always say these games, these Factorio games, I'm playing Factorio with Duncan and Foundry as well, the new Paradox one. They're just like, kind of chore sim, right? You get your list of jobs, and you're like, okay, I need to hook this thing up, and hook this thing up, and do this, and then do this, and it's never ending, right, that to-do list of chores.

But it is immensely satisfying to tick things off. There was this book I read a while ago called, I can't remember, it's called The Checklist Manifesto or some shit. And the idea was that you get a little hit of dopamine from ticking something off. And so in fact, if you, at the start of every day, make a little list of things you want to do that day. The washing, you know, go and get some new toilet rolls, you know. Doing those things actually becomes like a little satisfying game, right? And at the end of the day you're like, you don't have those things in the back of your mind like, oh I haven't done this, I've put this off, you know. Like, getting all that procrastination out is immensely relieving.

I don't need to make a list. I have Mrs. Flax. But what I'm saying is, you could do that in a video game, where you don't actually achieve anything in real life, but you can get a fake feeling of achievement. I get a dopamine rush every time I crush noobs in a game of Dotes. I don't need a list. My list is own noobs. That's the only entry. First and only entry on the list. Own noobs. So it was Daph's birthday, 30th birthday. his own noobs. That's the only entry. First and only entry on the list. Own noobs. So it was Daph's birthday, 30th birthday. Oh I'm aware of it. We played a very miserable game of Dota then.

Exactly. And he said, he like turned 30 and he was still up and he asked, he said to you, oh can we play Dota? Can we play a game of Dota? So you got a little stack together, a little birthday stack. Yeah. Cued up and you met some people who recognised you as well, didn't you? You were against, like, a fan stack or whatever. I don't know, I meet everyone, but yeah. Oh. But they were like, oh, Pflacx, Daph, it's great to play against you.

And then they absolutely stopped you into the crowd. Yep. Always the way. It's the worst thing getting recognised. And it was like the most miserable thing. Yep. It's terrible. And I was like, welcome to 30, it's gonna get no better, you know.

And then... Pflacx is a judge of gaming quality. Last night. You're no 15 year old jumper, are you? No, indeed. Last night, this was after Dav's birthday, so last night, about 11.35, 11.45, Dav's like, get me in the next! We were like, alright, cool.

We just started a game. We were like, Dav, you'll get in the next game. This was an 80 minute game. And Dav was just waiting in the wings. And... ALICE Oh, no, I hated that. But we did win. ALICE I felt...

I was that jilted lover, Bat, so many times with you, you know, I'd tune in or join your Discord just as you started the game. I'd be like... BAT Yeah. I hate it. ALICE And also, I wouldn't even know if I could get into the next game necessarily, because you wouldn't fucking reply. ALICE Well, Flax, you're in the best spot, though, because you're like the maestro, right?

So nobody's... FLAX No, not anymore. Not anymore. Because I'm not playing... In the evenings I play on Joe's Discord. And he's got a bunch of lads on his Discord, who he's been playing with for like ten years. ALICE What happened to like Enthused and like Miles and... FLAX They're all way too good, dude.

They're so good. Like, Plague is like, immortal. Like when we queue in those games, it's like I've just started learning to play Dota 3. Like, it's brutal. Sometimes it's really fun, but a lot of the time my mate is like, ah shit, it's this guy. And it's like, we've never beat this guy. And you're playing against guys that are just so much better than you, it's humbling. Ah, that's insane to get to that point in a game.

JUSTIN I mean, because, you know, I've been playing with these guys for ten years or whatever, and they're young, so they've improved, and they've hit a point now where it's like, they're so much better than me. ALICE You think they had some natural talent baked in? Or... JUSTIN I don't want to say it, but their speed of thought and reaction time and everything is way better than mine. Alright, this is an interesting one, We were talking about firefighters and emergency services. This one is called firefighters

from a son's point of view, which I thought was interesting. I haven't seen this. My dad started the second he turned 18, continued to be a firefighter until he retired a chief, took a year off, then went back for another 10 years. The only reason he stopped was when the cancer treatment was too much for him to continue working. As a child, I remember my father working 48s at the firehouse when he would come home smelling a smoke and the backs of his ears were nothing but blisters. Sometimes no eyebrows or eyelashes left. Knowing him and most of the folks he worked with, I think a lot of them started because it's a crazy job. Something they could do that maybe a lot of folks couldn't. Being known as the tough crazy guys didn't hurt. Also, I think he enjoyed the pats on the back and the praise that comes with it.

Hearing stories and often overhearing stories about what happens when the sweep misses a closet full of kids, maybe didn't see the last door in the hallway or the call got out too late. This is when there were no cell phones. What they emotionally and mentally go through putting out a fire, finding the remains, then having to stay with them until the wagon shows up to collect them. You know, fires don't wait. Sometimes they leave directly for another job, but someone has to stay behind with the victim.

I personally think it changes from enjoying the praise to just attempting to stop anyone, including other firefighters, from having to go through that. The praise just becomes a band-aid for the trauma. The mentality of tough guy, macho man, etc. I believe is a symptom of that as well. I've watched my father walk behind a store with four guys who were cat calling my mother and my sister, moments later just seeing him coming back around the front wiping blood from his hands. Also, I remember a night where he came home, hugged me for 15 minutes and just cried. Come to find out two brothers close to my age had caused and were found in a fire.

Guess who had to wait for the wagon that night. I think they need to save not just the victims of the fire, but their families and the other firefighters from going through the loss and trauma becomes almost a manic requirement. If we were out eating or walking by a street and building lit up, he'd run to it. Even while he was off duty, men of the many worked would seem to be the same way. Granted, this is my personal take and personal recommendation, recollections. Gee. Thank you so much. That was a really good email. Really good. Yeah. Nice. Nice as well. These guys are so committed to, you know, it's not, it's not like your average job. It's a calling, right? Like a lot of these like services, emergency services. You like it, like it's the same kind of like with nurses, doctors, maybe police to some extent. Although there's definitely some gray areas for police. But with firefighters and stuff, you know, it's... a lot of it is insane,

it's selfless, but the emotional baggage that comes with all of it as well must be crazy. But that's a really nice email, thanks so much. Yeah, really something. Really nice. There's this word which is, I can't remember what it is, but it means, like, that realisation that everyone else out there has as rich and complex a life as you do, and are not just a simple... NPCs. Yeah, not just a stereotype, or one thing, right? You can be more complicated than that, and everyone is way more deeply complicated than

that, and everyone's reasons and actions are somewhat informed by the things that have happened to them and what they do and what they experience. And you know, I think, do you... does becoming a... whatever reason he became a firefighter in the first place, that's gonna have an impact on him, right? And change him and affect him. And it might be that it's, like they said in the email, sticky and they feel like they're doing the duty so other people don't have to, or they feel like it's a calling at that point, like, damn, I feel like I'm doing good in this job. It's like the Ikegai, right? That's something that's thrown around a lot

about the Japanese secret to a happy life, where you have to find something that is, you know, what you love, what the world needs, what you can be paid for and what you are good at, right? All of those things combine to be this reason for living. And I think that, you know, in something like firefighting, certainly it provides many of those things, right? Especially if you've done it for a long time and can totally see... I mean, what a story, right? Like, retiring for a year, you know, you can imagine what that was like. And also having cancer. And going back. Yeah, like that is...

It's dedication, eh? That is a life well lived, isn't it? They don't make them like that anymore, that's what they like to say normally, eh? When you talk about somebody who's older and from a different time and era. And you just think- But I think they do make them like that, and I know plenty of people who are very amazing people. Are you talking to the man in the mirror? You gonna ask him to change his ways?

It puts it into perspective, doesn't it. We are very lucky to not have to... They don't make it like that anymore. Right, let's get over to the next one. Alright, I'm not allowed to read the name of this person. PLEASE DO NOT READ MY NAME AND PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL! You say it's a shit song, and to some extent I agree, but if you've ever seen the music video for that, it's a tearjerker for sure. Oh, it is for sure.

I just wanted to say, listening to the story about the four lads with no experience setting sail across the Atlantic was very frustrating. I drive boats in the Canadian Navy and have done search and rescue at sea before. People who set sail with no real understanding of seamanship put themselves, those around them and inevitably those who have to rescue them at risk. Yeah. If anyone has similar ideas, please take at least some boating and sea survival courses and invest in some good safety equipment like an immersion suit and an emergency position indicating radio beacon or EPIRB.

Also, I recommend the book A Guide to the Collision Avoidance Rules by A.N. Cockroft and J.N.F. Lamire, and of course, of course, the international regulations preventing collisions at sea, to anyone intending to sail on the high seas or any navigable body of water connected to them. That being said... So, is this about the guys who did their boating trip?

Yes. That being said, I checked out the Instagram of those boys, and it looks like they're having a blast and wearing their life jackets. May our paths never cross. And then this is clearly something sailors say to each other. Fair winds and following seas. Yes. Fair winds and following seas.

Time is money, friend. Another World of Warcraft quote for you. BS. I love the podcast, keep it up. I'm not trying to be a snarky asshole. That's what I say to everyone when I meet them. So, I appreciate that. I did say, y'know, that sounds incredibly dangerous.

But, yeah. When I meet people I just say, more work, okay, and then I walk away with my shoulders slumped. That's what I do when I boot up my Satisfactory. Work work. Work work. Work work. Yeah.

No, that's good. It's nice to have the... Let's fucking go on an adventure side, but it's also good to have the... Let's follow some logic and see some reason side as well, right? Just to sort of balance it out. In case anybody is thinking of just dropping everything and going on an ocean adventure, be safe. Don't just do something that you're not familiar with, because you can die out there. And the email's right. You're not only risking your own life, but you're potentially risking other people's lives as well.

RILEY Indeed. Indeed. To say, yeah, it's very common. Yeah. RILEY Speaking of taking risks, back in the day, there was an advert that went viral in New Zealand, and it made me wonder if you have a similar conundrum over there. I guess up there.

A little bit of translation for those who aren't aware. Togs is the way we say swimming trunks. ALICE Right. Togs. RILEY Togs. Put your togs on. RILEY Get your togs ready, mate. It's gonna be a lively day. ALICE Keep your togs on. RILEY And undies is underwear.

ALICE Yes. RILEY And there's a video on YouTube I'm gonna show you now, it's an advert, for trumpet ice creams which look like cornettoes. ALICE Okay, I thought this was gonna be some sort of horrible road safety ad. RILEY No no no no no no no no no. This is not like that. So, you don't have to watch it yet. The video is...

I mean, you don't have to watch it at all, really. The gist of it is, he's walking out of the ocean and the question is, at what point do your togs become undies? So, it's like, togs, togs, togs, undies, togs, togs, togs, undies is the sort of catch line. So, the question is, if you're wearing... And these are like tight Speedo style swimming trunks. If you're wearing those, and you're at the beach, nobody bats an eye, if you're at the pool, no one bats an eye, at what point do togs become undies?

And essentially you just walk around in your underwear. So what do you think the differentiating factor is? Right. Okay. So, yes. Um, yes. I've thought about this. A lot. You know, when I was in Corfu, you know, because there's like, the beach, where you're in your

swimming trunks, you know, and there's some shops, and there's some other shops that are slightly further from the beach, and you're like, which ones are these shops, how much do I put on between, you know, what's the correct distance to go before I have to put a shirt on when I'm in a shop, right? And how far do I go into a shop? You know, if it's like, you know, just like kind of close, you know, if it's like, if I'm going deep into like the freezer section and I'm buying stuff out of the freezers and I'm still wearing like, togs, you know, is that okay?

Well, kind of, I mean, it's gonna be, it's gonna come down specifically to the person though, because for me, if I was leaving the beach, if I was on the beach and I was swimming, I would have a pair of shorts on. I wouldn't wear Speedos, I can't get away with it. It would be disgusting. I don't wear those, yeah. Well, it'd be weird with the Megaball. I would feel odd wearing them, and other people would be offended to see me wearing them.

So I wear big, down to the knee, dad bathing suit shorts. Which is fine. And then if I was to leave the beach to go to the store to get some ice creams for my family or whatever, I'd put a t-shirt on. I would as well. I might have some flip flops with no socks or whatever, I think that that's fine. But I would have long shorts and a t-shirt on to go to leave the beach. Yeah, as soon as I'm off the beach. I suppose that for most people, I would say if you're in a

setting where most of the other people around you are not also at the beach or just popping up from the beach to get something, I think you've crossed the line. Like the ad says, 100 meters from the sea or something. But if you were in, say, Bournemouth or Brighton, 100 meters from the sea or something. But if you were in, say, Bournemouth or Brighton, 100 meters from the sea, you're on the fucking high street at this point. Yeah, but if you were walking down the high street in a bathing suit, it would be, like, you know, people would, I think a lot of people would look at me like, oh, that's odd. But that's it.

It's not like, I don't think, I think if you're making a really big deal about that, you know, it's, it's still just somebody choosing to wear something. I mean, not, not everything is, it is a bit odd, but it's, you know, a lot of this is, is social conditioning for us as well. We're, we, whether we like it or not in our minds, um, organize things in certain ways. And for a lot of us, it's, you know, if you're wearing a bathing suit, you need to be somewhere where it's appropriate for you to wear a bathing suit. Like these are just things that you, you pick up from being a kid into being an adult or whatever, and they just become norms for you. But for me, like I just, I try to be like a bit moreminded, because, you know, fashions change, the things that people want to wear change, the weather changes, whatever.

If I see somebody walking around town in their bathing suit, I'm gonna think, oh, that's odd, but I wouldn't go any further than that, personally. I don't think anyone's running after them with torches everywhere. I don't have a personal vendetta against what somebody wears, or not, or whatever. As long as they're not hurting someone, it's fine. If it's like a really hot day, there will be a lot of guys with their tops off in the UK. Sure.

You'll just be walking through... I'm talking like over 24, you know. It doesn't have to be that hot for the guys to start taking their tops off. And then you will see, I guess if there's a festival or parade or something, there might be people wearing some skimpier clothing, do you mean? But that'll kinda be within that group, right? If you're easily offended by this kind of stuff, or it really bothers you, there's plenty of places that have a dress code that you could go to and feel perfectly comfortable

there. Yeah, a lot of places, no shirt, no shoes, no service, that's quite a common thing in beach places and estates, you see that a lot. Yeah. But, I mean, aside from that... I don't think it's like... I don't think anyone's like, too prudish. I don't think anyone's like, too prudish.

No. I think you're right, Sips, like, I think it's your own mind, it's like, maybe I should put a shirt on when I'm in here. Yeah. Do what you feel comfortable with, like, for you, but I mean, you can't control what other people are doing. I do have a question. So, I do have a question.

If we're gonna go with do what feels comfortable to you, there has to be a limit to some point. Because the problem is, although you may judge it unfair, if we're saying that someone's decision to wear bathing trunks, you know, or speedos while they're strolling around town is no big deal and it's their choice, what if that really upsets some people? Are we saying, oh, well, fuck them. Like that seems like going the other way, you're saying that we should just ignore... Where do you draw the line though, in regards to what they're going to get upset by? We can't predict what's going to upset this person. So all of a sudden everybody

has to walk on eggshells around this one person who may or may not be upset because they've got some hidden mysterious set of rules for themselves that nobody else understands. I would agree with that, however, we have also clearly established in our minds, as you said, that there is some level where we understand that when you're at the beach or the pool, you expect to see people wearing a suitable attire for that. But when you're in the street, you're not expecting it, and it makes some people feel uncomfortable. Well, yeah. I think the clue though is what people around you are also wearing, right? Because you're not the first person to come here. People have been coming here for years, hundreds of years, probably, and as a result, it's kind of set

up like, if there's a restaurant in a touristy area, and it has a problem with people coming in without shoes on, do you know what I mean? They're gonna put a sign up that says, please put your shoes on. Do you know what I mean? ALICE I mean, it lowers the standards of a place if everyone's sitting around in their trucks. I think it's also okay to be offended by something, but I think it's unreasonable to expect that the world is gonna change just to suit you, is I think what we're talking about here. We've gone way too deep into this. If somebody goes out and is offended by what somebody's wearing, it's kinda tough shit

really, isn't it? I mean, unless it was really obscene or, I don't know, but I can't really think of anything that people would be willing to wear or not wear to upset somebody to that extent. ALICE I think it's funny how, okay, so some people who are very heavily tattooed kind of still look like they're fully clothed when they are wearing that thing. How does that do? That is funny, dude.

That is funny. Which is kind of amusing. So yeah, anyway, let's move on. But I mean, if you're in a store or something, they'll have a dress code. Most restaurants and bars have a dress code or whatever. If you're outside, you don't have a leg to stand on. You can complain about it until you're blue in the face. I don't think it's going to change. So, avoid going to those places that upset you so much. I guess I wouldn't go to a sit down restaurant without

a shirt on, though. I wouldn't either. But equally, if I went to a sit down restaurant, I was sitting down for a nice meal with my family and there's somebody at a table next to me without a shirt on, that would be really weird. Even weirder than seeing somebody walking around town on a hot day in Speedos. ALICE Especially if they were eating something really like soup or something. Do you know what I mean? Or like a ramblin'.

SEAN Yeah, and there's just lots of grease dripping down onto their bare chest would be weird too, yeah. But even then, I would find it really weird, but I'm not sure that I would actually go far enough as to try to do something about it. I think I would expect people who are not wearing shirts to eat an ice cream outside, right? There's certain things that are foods that you can eat without shirt on, right? Alright, we're in the weeds here, gents.

Let's move on, okay? Go for it. Sure. Alright, we're in the weeds here, gents. Let's move on, okay. Alright, this is a funny story about football snobbery in third world countries. Oh god. Alright, this is interesting. Here in the story of the boating boys, it reminds me of a mindset I have when I left college to go and explore the world a bit. I ended up doing a charity mission in Sierra Leone, volunteering at a school for the hearing in pay.

Oh my gosh. As part of the lead up to it, we got our friends and relatives to donate old football shirts a school for the hearing impaired. As part of the lead-up to it, we got our friends and relatives to donate old football shirts to give to the kids there. All the kids were very, very poor. Only half of them even had a full set of clothes. Most of the kids attended most classes shirtless. Just, there was a tie-in. That was a clever tie-in. I hope they were only eating ice cream though. On the last day we were there, we started giving out the football shirts to the kids and they were over the moon.

But it was to our surprise that after about 20 minutes, a young boy came up asking to give his shirt back. When we asked why, he said that he didn't like spurs and wanted to switch it for a man-use shirt. When we all could offer him an exchange was an Everton shirt. He gave his Tottenham 1 back and walked away, literally shirtless. And he was not the only one. Multiple kids throughout the morning kept coming back and complaining that they did not want the shirt they were given. Despite that now being the one and only shirt they owned, they all

wanted Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U. I will never forget it. I guess it is a universal that we all think Tottenham are shit. That's from Steve. That is fucking hilarious. These poor kids would rather wear nothing than a Tottenham shirt. Or an Everton shirt. Well, y'know. Is that football snobbery? Or is that, maybe like, the other, the bigger kids that are weird? One man's trash is another man's treasure, I think.

It's that one. It's nice that they gave him back, and then just throw him away, though. Right? Like, that is still good, you know? Porta Tottenham. Yeah. It's not that they... What a diss. It's not that they didn't value the shirt itself, it's that they didn't...

I guess maybe they didn't want to be seen in their community to be... they didn't want to risk getting bullied, do you know what I mean? Or something like that, by wearing the wrong shirt, by the kids who were, I dunno, able to afford the ones which were cooler. Do you see what I mean? But you gotta be the enemy. Because there is this animosity, right, between football teams, that, you know. And that could maybe be the reason, right, they were like, I didn't want to get beaten

up by other kids for wearing the Rivals shirt. Right? Because there is a Tottenham rivalry, is Tottenham rivalry with West Ham or Arsenal? Arsenal. But they hate Arsenal, they hate Chelsea. Those are the two big ones for them. Alright, here's another one about an Aussie dance. This is from Max.

With the mention of the ageless Aussie dance tradition of the nut bush, it made me remember the other fantastic dancing auditor we have that I imagine would be completely bonkers to the rest of the world, The Eagle Drop. The Eagle Drop. And now, this is funny, it says, its name says it all. I assure you, it does not. Having read the rest of the email, The Eagle Drop gives you absolutely no indication of what the hell is happening. If you're at an Australian party, be it a

simple gathering, wedding, at the pub, or any number of other events, and Daddy Cool's Eagle Rock comes on, there is a round of excited shouting and cheering, a bunch of drunk blokes will stand up, drop their pants, and dance away. Meaning trousers. It's true! Note, it's not complete nudity, with underpants remaining on, and trousers are not removed in the entirety but left around the ankles. Which usually results, due to the drunken dancing and jumping around, various items being ejected from pockets, people tripping over their own flailing belts.

Once the song is complete, everyone calmly raises their trousers, picks up their drink, and gets back to business at hand. Although we have witnessed on one occasion a friend drop his pants at the start of the song, get into a deep conversation with another person and forget to pull his pants back up until about four songs or so had passed. No, right. It's pretty universally known where I live, but I have noticed it being a foreign concept to other Australians.

Don't ask me how or why, I don't know how, I don't think anyone really knows, it's just something that caught on and I love it. I think that sounds fantastic. Have you got a link, Luke? Yeah, I put it in the... He just pasted that link. Alright, let's have a look at this. It's a sort of wedding, and they've got the song on, and literally everyone in this circle

has dropped their trousers. Now of course, they all, I think, were aware that this might have happened, because they're all wearing, like, this guy's got one pair of pants that says, property of misty, on the back. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, they knew this was coming. And like, it's kind of, they're themed, you know. They've all got like, pants with each other's faces and hearts on.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's clearly a tradition. Yeah. They knew this. This wasn't completely unexpected. No. But it does look bad.

It looks... It's very embarrassing. Very funny. It is. It's a great one, honestly. The eagle drop. It sounds way cool. It sounds cooler than it is.

I thought the eagle drop was gonna be some sort of like a slut drop. Um, do you know what I mean? Well your cock has to touch the ground or something. My mind went a completely different direction and I thought that it involved dead birds. Just dropping dead birds. Here draw a couple of birds. Here you go, happy birthday! Bam! It's a dead eagle.

SLAP! Alright, this is from Quinn. My name is Quinn, I'm a 22 year old man from Canada. We get a lot of emails from the Canucks, the Canadian connection with Sips has really opened some demographics. It really has, yeah. I have a tiny apartment. He almost said tiny penis. Maybe we, yeah. Yeah. I have a tiny apartment. He almost said tiny penis.

Maybe we could have gone with, I have a tiny apartment, but we didn't. With a tiny room and an even tinier closet. Quinn, you didn't drop in the magic words. I got a tiny panini maker. Recently I noticed that more than half of my wardrobe doesn't fit in my closet due to the amount of shit I own. From merch to designer clothes to cheap second hand things, I could probably fill my closet with the clothes I have, nothing more than the sentiment of value to, and have no more

room for the clothes I would normally wear day to day. Wow. I wanted to ask, as two dads with kids who grow out of clothes faster than you can make dinner, and Lewis, who went through, and this is apparently your phases, normal-ish, hippie, and old Tinder ladies man phases, how-ish, hippie, and old Tinder ladies man phases. How and what do you do with items of clothing when you've simply changed stars or outgrown certain items?

So in other words, got all these oak clothes, what do I do with it? Salvation army, baby. Just donate them to charity. The charity place always looking for clothes. Yep. That's one thing. There's a big fucking... It's like a recycling bin with

a sort of door on it. A sort of little trap door. You shove clothes in there in plastic bags and then they just take them and give them to people who need clothes. So yeah, people always need clothes. Yeah, it's a favourite recycling bin. There's lots of different ways to do it. I think if it's nice, charity shops will take it and will sell it. And some of my friends do actually get a lot of their stuff from... The thing is, there's this kind of weird system, right, where you can, like... Some of the most expensive places in Bristol, the clothes shops, are these sort of vintage

resellers, right? Yeah. In London too, you go to a nice part of London and you can pick up some amazing clothes in the charity shops. And they actually do these big conventions at warehouses or convention spaces, even like the NEC or some huge place where they have all of this vintage clothing and you go in with bin bags and you just buy it by weight. A lot of these vintage clothing shops will go to these places, be like first

there. It's kind of crazy. It's like you used to see Black Friday style, people grabbing stuff and just pay and wait for it and then selling it on. And it's trendy. A lot of this stuff still has value. I don't think fashion is as fixed as we think it is, right? I think people have their own style and sometimes you wouldn't know, unless you were a real fashionista, whether someone was wearing something that was a £200 designer shirt, or something they got from a charity shop for a tenner, right? So, I think, if you like it, it's nice. I mean, look, a design classic is a design classic. If you find the right bag, the right

top, the right skirt, the right jacket, it doesn't matter if it's 40 years old or four weeks old. A classic is a classic. And although styles and trends come and go, some things are timeless, and you can find them in charity shops. Genuinely. I totally get this. Some really good things. I have so much crap that I don't... My sort of rule though is, if I haven't worn it for a year I'll get rid of it. Nice. If I haven't worn it a a year, I'll get rid of it." And I think that's... If I haven't worn it a year, I just think, oh, my old So-So t-shirt, and I wear it. If I haven't worn it for a year, there's usually a reason I haven't worn it. Yeah, because I couldn't find it.

It's under my heap. It's under the heap of clothes. We're usually just prompted and annoyed by stuff not being in wardrobes. So if we see that there's a lot of clothes piling up on a chair somewhere, or at the end of the bed, or something like that, that'll usually prompt us into saying, okay, it's time to have a sort out. Yeah, we get a couple of in-bags in here, have a sort out, exactly. Get the old stuff to charity, and then make room for the new stuff, and have a sort out.

I was in my... yeah, I've moved through eras. The Deadpool era. He's doing the eras tour. He's doing the eras tour. The've moved through eras. The deadball era. He's doing the eras tour. He's doing the eras tour. He's got his own eras tour. I mean, I don't know where I am at any stage. I don't know what I'm doing.

I just try and... What stage are you in now? I wanna be quirky. I wanna be a little bit quirky and different to what other people dress like, right? I'm currently wearing a hoodie, and a pair of vans and a pair of T-shirts, and I'm wearing the exact same shit I wear every fucking day. So you haven't really changed much at all, though. That's like what you were wearing the last time I saw you, which was like five years

ago or something. I think it might even be the same fucking shit, dude. Like, I don't buy many clothes, and I always think maybe I should, but no one really fucking notices what anyone else is wearing, they're all obsessed with themselves. No. I mean, the thing is, I think when you're younger and you're around young people and that stuff matters, sure. But nobody I know cares about clothes now. Including myself. At my age, at least.

Yeah, but you guys, we're old. My youngest gives so much of a shit about clothes. Yeah. Well, I was the same when I was young. When I was in my teens, into my twenties, holy crap. It had to be certain things, certain brands, like, oh my god, it was a big deal. But now I just don't give a shit at all. Okay, I think it's to do with... because I felt a bit of this when I was in my dating era. Like, last year, whatever. When I was dating... and I'd noticed I was taking more care in my appearance, I was thinking more about the way I was looking, and how well groomed I

was, because there was sort of an incentive to do so, right? I'm not saying that dads or married husbands don't make an effort still, but there definitely isn't as much of an unconscious drive, right? If you are trying to fit in, and that's your goal, it's to fit in with a peer group of the cool girls at school, or a group that... If I'm going to football matches with people, I'm gonna get a fucking football shirt. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think it's... I'm gonna get a FUCKING football shirt! It's almost unconscious, right? It's almost like, oh, I have to do that in order to be in that group. Yeah?

Like, there is an element of that, but yes, I think just do whatever you want, fuck it, I don't care. I'm not your dad. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit. He's not your dad. That's all I gotta say. He's not your dad. That's all I gotta say. He is not your dad. Do what you want.

This is a question from George, okay? Wants some advice. Recently been approached by a brand I really like. Quite happy in my current job, which pays well compared to the market rate, been here for five years. Not actively looking for a new role, but really drawn to this company. Would love to work for them, would be a good opportunity, and all the rest of it. They've matched my current salary after some negotiation, which is a positive, and wants to be taken more seriously. I'm going to sum this up. Wants to be

taken a little more seriously. This is a second job in the field. Would love to step up the ladder and think this would be a good idea. Do we support this idea? So it would mean higher expectations, higher expectations, and more demanding and all the rest of it. You think this is a good opportunity to take. Well, he sounds, from his email, he sounds really excited. I think people too often stay in the same place because that's safe, right? And comfortable. If you hate it, and it turns out that they're actually all creeps and weirdos, go get another fucking job. It sounds like you're, y'know, there's no problem with you in this career, y'know, or

even go back to the old place, they're probably happy to have you back. Do you mean, like, if they're all your friends and everyone's all grown up about it, no one's gonna hold grudges on that? Like, you need to do what's best for you, and if you think a new challenge and a new... It does sound like, from all of this, that they're just scared to make a change, right? Because everyone is. Everyone's scared to...

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I'll be honest with you, having to negotiate to get the same salary you're earning now for a more, a higher expectation job, with presumably more responsibility, to me is actually like a demotion. And I think that you should think very, very carefully about taking this job. A lot of the time you think working for these big glamorous companies is going to somehow be better than working for a smaller company. I could not disagree more. A lot of the time these big big companies have, or they, I'm not saying that this is

the case and it might be just a slightly bigger company, I don't know. But a lot of the time working for these much bigger companies the corporate structure is far more arcane, the bureaucracy is far more obtuse, and also you're gonna be the new guy. If there are layoffs for some reason, these big companies often have layoffs, your name is gonna be top of the fucking list to be bent off, and you're literally getting a more difficult job, and you've had to negotiate to get the same money you're on now. Generally when you move to a new job,

you expect a fucking pay rise because you're taking a big risk. It's a weird pros and cons. If you work in a small place, you're expected to be a jack of all trades, you're expected to get involved in everything because it's small and you're probably the only person there who knows what to do in a lot of cases, or we'll have to try to figure it out somehow. And for some people that's really fun and exciting. People like that. They like the variety, they like the challenge or whatever. Working in a big place,

you'll have like a much more sort of like a specific role. Not much more will be expected from you. And even what's expected from you at the specific role, not much more will be expected from you and even what's expected from you at the specific role will be not much. So you can toss around a lot more. It's safer. The salary is safer, will be paid on time. You'll have some form of benefits package probably. You'll have a whole bunch of other people who are just occupying space, warming seats, waiting to retire, whatever. Big companies tend to work like that.

In my experience, big companies, there's about three or four people who really know what they're doing and do it well. And they have their own little power silos built around that. And then everybody else is just there for the ride. If that's what you want, some people do want that. They want the safety or whatever. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's entirely down to you, but you're, you're the one who has to turn up every day and you're the one who knows how you

want to spend every day. Do you want your days to go really quick and be kind of exciting and stuff? Then stay at the small company. If you want your days to be really slow and not involve that much work, I would say go to the big company. I heard this story ages ago, and it's been going around for ages in various iterations. But it's basically, I always think of it. It's kind of a powerful story.

The original version I found online is a bit weird, but it was originally from Heinrich Boll, who was a German writer, who was a pacifist. Anyway. He says, okay, so an American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat docks. Inside the boat is a fisherman who's caught several large fish. The American complimented the fisherman on the fish and asked how long it took to catch them. Fisherman said, only a little while. And the American says, well, why don't you stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to provide for his family's needs and he could even, if he wanted to go out again, he could give some away to others in the village. And the American said, well, what do you do with the rest of your time? These are amazing fish.

You could make a business out of this. The Mexican fisherman says, well, I sleep you do with the rest of your time? You know, these are amazing fish, you could make a business out of this. Mexican fisherman says, well, I sleep late, I play with my children, I take siestas with my wife, I stroll into the village where I sip wine and I play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life. American scoffs. I'm an experienced fisherman, I could help you. You know, if you spend a little more time fishing with the proceeds, you could buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from that, you could have a whole fleet of fishing boats and soon you could have your own, you know, set up your own enterprise. You know, you could, you could, you could even like move to a bigger city to run this expanding, you know, setup. The Mexican fisherman says, well, how long will that all take? And the American replies, well,

I'm sure you could have it done in 15 to 20 years or so. But what do I do then? asks the Mexican. The American laughs and said, well, that's the best part. When the time is right, you can sell your company and become very rich. You would make millions. Millions? Wow. Then what? says the Mexican. The American says, well, then you could retire. You could move to a small coastal village where you could sleep late, play with your kids, take siestas with your wife and stroll to the village where you could sip wine and play guitar with your amigos." "'I already do that,' said the Mexican fisherman. So it's kind of this idea that try to do more with less."

You know what this sounds like? The fucking shit that I see shared on Facebook. That is hot. The brave little toaster. This is the brave little tugboat. The brave little toaster. It's just absolute wank. Okay, give me your take on this list. This is the brave little tugboat. The brave little toaster. It's just absolute wank. Okay, give me your take on this thing.

There's a totally mythical conversation that would never happen. Of course. But, so what fucking point is it trying to prove? There's no lesson to be learned here other than, hey, you're as rich as you feel and all that kind of shit. This lad, who's scraping by with his boat, is living a very perilous existence. What if EU rules change and all of a sudden he can't fish those waters anymore? Or what if the fact that the

fucking fish are dying, he has to go further and further out? He's got no fucking money to help him out. He's got no safety net whatsoever. Yeah, even worse. Imagine he sets up a whole enterprise around it and then under his nose all the regulations change and stuff, all of a sudden those millions that he's gonna get in fifteen years might not materialize as well, y'know? Like, it can go either way. This is exactly how I feel about this story as well. It obviously is a kind of... It's boomer shit. It's bootstrap shit. The idea is, oh, you can make that money, but why work? You know, it's like, there's so much dogshit compressed into one fucking story it makes

me cross. ALICE It is a warning, though. Because some people do forget that there is a life to live, right? Like, behind work, and outside. Some people are obsessive about their job and their career. Yeah, those people are crazy. Some people think work is life. A lot of people do.

Those people wouldn't have a fun life anyway. Like, have you met people who are obsessive workaholic, I'm an entrepreneur, have you actually met them? The reason that they throw themselves into work is because nobody wants to fucking hang around with those people. They're insufferable. They are insufferable. And they could have a friend group, they could have a family. It's never enough. These people are psychotically obsessed with making money. So them and them

suddenly having this away, oh my god, it wasn't worth it. I've wasted my life. I must tell everyone the parable of the Spanish fisherman. No, you were just to come. Most people get by fine doing a job and still seeing their family and enjoying life. Throwing yourself into your work and making out like, this is a lesson I've learned. Everybody else has figured this out, you bellend! Everybody else has fucking figured this out. And it's taken you a lifetime of regret now to suddenly realize, I've wasted my life. Fuck off.

You're not teaching us anything. We all already knew it. This is why, though. ALICE No, but him making that big mistake has taught us not to follow his footsteps. I never would. Well then lesson learned. You know what this reminds me of? I had an email the other day. This is, I'm not gonna name the company, okay, but I had this guy email me.

Let me read you the fucking email that he sent me. Hey, I couldn't help but notice I haven't heard back from you. Did I say something off in my last emails? If so, I'd love the chance to clear things up. How about we jump on a call? It's a lot easier to chat about this opportunity live. Mason- This is making me rage already. Jason- Right. So I looked, I have never heard from this person before in my life. And this is a company, this is a company that they have, they have a link to let me schedule a call. This is the most despicable form of sales where you

are trying to trick people into being your customer. I get this shit all the time. These guys are these fucking super sweat entrepreneur types who are like, the grind, grindset, sigma mail, I'm posting on LinkedIn about my businesses and my entrepreneurs. This is all they fucking have. Where do 100k concurrent sales through web apps today. They're obsessed. They're obsessed. Do you have a thing? We took this web app company from 1k to 100k in over 300cpm. It's like, what

the fuck are you... And you know what, those... These businesses are so successful that they have to resort to these kind of tactics and just cold-spamming mailing lists. If you're a- I'm not getting emails from Coca-Cola saying, hey, don't forget to go buy a Coke today. Like, if your company's successful and you're this big fucking big-shot billionaire entrepreneur, why are you fucking spamming me these skeezy trick emails, mate? Like if you've already given away the fact that your company is dogshit and you're doing

whatever it takes to try and make one sale, get to fuck. LIAM Yeah, but they gotta take the chance. They might not rope you in, but there's plenty of people out there that they'll rope in. JUSTIN And do you know what that sounds like? Scammers. Say it fucking Neil. ALICE Yeah, it is. It's modern scammers, yeah.

LIAM It works, though. Man, in the paper, like, you read about it every day, that businesses have been scammed, that people have been scammed out of their life savings and stuff. Yeah, exactly. But we don't like scammers, do we? We hate scammers. Of course we don't, but people still fall for them. But these people pulling the same poi are very little better than scammers.

It's the evolution of scamming, right? It's the next generation of scamming. It's offering you services. Are these white hat scammers? Are they black hat and white hat scammers? Well I think it's people offering services to companies or businesses or these people who are... they really think that they can somehow, I think, just leech off of... do something at their bare minimum. You know. Oh, we know how to optimise your... whatever.

Do you know what I mean? We're consulting, you know, all this nonsense. Yeah. It's just made up dogshit. It is. Don't get scammed! And if you're planning on doing ocean voyaging, please be careful. No, the French you wrote about changed his job, yeah. Like, good luck. But be careful, you know? I think you have to... You gotta weigh it up.

You gotta weigh it up. You gotta weigh it up. Essentially, you can ask for all the advice you want, you'll know in your you have to... You gotta weigh it up. You gotta weigh it up. You gotta weigh it up. Essentially, you can ask for all the advice you want, you'll know in your heart which decision you'll be happy with. Do what you want to do. Think about the risk. That's it.

You're gonna pay the same for each one, so figure out what it is you're willing to do, how you want to see each and every day be, and make your decision off the back of that. And by all means, follow your passion, follow your drive, like, be ambitious, but don't take it too far. Like, I think there is this thing of, if you make yourself, or drive yourself to be miserable and unhappy, you will be worse at your job, and have this self-destructive vicious circle of, I am hating this, and therefore being worse at it, and therefore hating it. And you have to really identify those aspects in your life that are like, this is just negative for me, I need to not be doing this.

One bit of advice I would give you though, and it's a trap that a lot of people fall into, is this mindset that you're making a decision and it's forever. It's not. If you want to try something different, try it. If it's the same money, try it for a year. You know, give yourself a time limit and don't stay somewhere forever and be miserable. You know, try something out. And if it's, you know, in the back of your mind, just say, I'm only here temporarily, you know, and then if that temporary turns into like six years or whatever, fine. But like, you should be of the mindset that this job is temporary and I'm going to get something different or better, you know what I mean?

And that way you're always keeping your resume up to date, you're always making sure that you've got new skills to add to it. And you know, if you jump around a lot, you'll make more money. You will never make money staying at the same place. Like you just become part of the furniture so quickly, anywhere you are. But this guy's taking a new job that's earning the same money. Yeah, but sometimes that job, you might pick up some different skills, or it might be a higher profile company to do with other companies that you could potentially get a job at, for

more money. You know what I mean? You have to look at it that way rather than just sort of settling, you know, just saying, like, okay, I'm gonna take this job and then I'll be me till I retire. A lot of people do think like that. The old box factory days... We've had a couple of people at Yogs go away and do their own thing, and then come back. Yeah, of course.

And that's okay. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I would rather have someone be successful. Once they failed they came crawling back. Yeah, god, that's... I mean, if you're a boss, that's what you wanna see. I'd rather people tried and were, and had new ideas. Oh, not so easy, is it, young Padawan? Yeah, welcome back, get through the subplotting store!

But who's back at the Jedi Training Academy, where he belongs? No! Crawl on your knees and kiss my boot! Wow. Beg for your job back, scum." Holy crap. That's what Lewis does. Yes. He's got a special room for it. Wow. He's got the Mr. Burns office with trapdoor on the floor and everything in his office.

Yes. Well there you go, is that enough, or have we got any more? No, we're done for this week. I think that's more than enough. Thank you, we're tied out. Frankly, that's more than they deserve. Well, look, we would like to make sure we get these podcasts out to all of you guys over the next few weeks. Sips is going away for a few weeks. Peace Facts is going away for a few weeks, but hopefully we won't miss an episode. But if we do, sorry. Sorry. We love you. We'll try not to. We're endeavouring not to. Sorry. Take care. We'll see you guys soon. Goodbye!

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