TRIGGERnometry - Andrew Schulz - Comedy, the American Dream and Whores

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

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Welcome to Check an honest way. Thank you so much. You said that with a focus and dedication and seriousness. I'm ready to go. You're ready to go? Yes. Well, listen, it's an interesting cultural moment. Very, very interesting.

A lot of things have changed in the short period of time. What do you make of all? Well, what specifically? Well, I think, first of all, we watch your special. Oh. Why are you surprised? I don't know. You're busy guys.

We're fucking professionals, man. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It wasn't for the pleasure. You better have. Yeah. You better have done that. It wasn't for the joy of watching it.

We were watching cum jokes at 8 o'clock this morning, Andrew. Yes. It was great. Yes. 20 minutes of masturbating in the hospital. Yes. Wonderful. It's hard to make a baby.

It's art. It's real art, Andrew. Thank you. Yeah. But it, so someone who watch a special now would be like, wokeness never happened because there's like retards and there's fucking, I'm trying to think everything under the sun's in there. No one's offended.

Everyone understands this joke. Yes. Most of the response, I don't see anybody. offended by it. Right. And it's on Netflix and blah, box. No one's getting canceled for this stuff anymore. I would say specifically with this special that it's not exactly gratuitous. And because of the story specifically, I'm not like trying to like plug it, but because the story is this like real human story, I think you get a little bit more leeway. When you're just up there going, hey, here's my craziest trans joke. Here's my craziest Chinese people joke. Like, then I think

you start to make people feel potentially a little uncomfortable. When the jokes seem rooted in something real, like I've always said this even with like a sex joke. Like if there's a, a sex joke is not a sex joke if it's rooted in like a real experience. But if you're just like, hey, fucking vagina is something. Now all of a sudden the old woman in the audience is like, I feel a little uncomfortable.

Yeah. If you're telling this story of this thing that happened and a vagina happens to be included in it, that old lady is dying laughing. So I think because of the nature of like the vulnerability in the story, Like, nobody gets made fun of more than me in that hour. So it's very hard for somebody to, like, see it, hear a joke about, like, one of these specifically, you know, ostracized groups and be like, man, I had it hard in that hour. I think the Staten Island people had it very hard.

They deserve it. They're the best challenge. Yeah, they did get it. But on the other hand, you open Twitter. Yeah. And you go, oh, this is a whole different experience, right? Yeah. So what do you make of the kind of post-Trump effect and culturally what's happening at the moment?

And that's where I'm going with this. Yeah, I'm trying to think, like, what is the post-Trump? Like, I'm trying to kind of dial in what you're getting at. Like, the discourse on Twitter is that? Because I would say that that preceded Trump's win. Tell me more. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, Elon opened it up. And you buy a Ferrari, you need to see how fast it goes.

You know what I mean? It's like, everybody, you get a new car. You need to go, okay, how fast does this fucking car go? So when they say, you could say whatever you want, people are like, all right. Let's see about that. And he was about that action. Like he doesn't seem like people are getting kicked off. So I think people are going through that experience where they have the new car.

And eventually you go, I don't really need to drive the car as fast as the car goes. I just need to kind of like operate with some comfort in this car. And I think that's what we'll eventually get back to. But you have to have the patience to let that pendulum swing back. And most people don't have that patience. So like if this was a publicly traded company, the shareholder, would start to go, what the hell is going on? The stock price is dipped, you know, 70% or whatever the f*** dipped.

My savings is dipping. We need to change. Get Elon out of there. Get whatever president is out of there. Get somebody else in that's going to make sure the stock goes up. Because it's privately owned, we can kind of thug it out for, let's say, next two years, hopefully. And things normalize again.

It's interesting that you say that because you're saying the pendulum swung, and it hopefully will come back to the. the center. But the pendulum hasn't been in the center, Andrew, for a very long time. It feels like it was up there. And now we were in the center for a little bit. And I'm like, well, you know, you know the boat that you used to go on in the fair ground when he go up? And that kind of feels like life now, doesn't it? Yeah. But if you notice that, uh, I'm going to make this statement with like zero knowledge of physics, but I would presume that that boat or that ride that we're talking about spends more time on the edges than it does in the middle.

Right? Because like, think about it slows down as it gets to the top and it passes back slow as it starts to gain momentum again. And the smallest amount of time it spends as at this point right here, because it's at peak speed before it starts slowing down again. If there's some scientists out there that is going, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yes, you're right. But I think that's what you're seeing. So it's like it was a lot of time on the left. And then now you're going to see a lot of time on the right and the right's going to fucking ruin it. And they're going to say crazy. and be just as, like, offended and concerned as the left was. Like, you already see the, like, the protectionist behavior about, like, their heroes. And, yeah, it's unfortunate. I hope it doesn't happen. Like, what heroes? If you criticize Elon in any other, in any way, there are people that, like, knee-jerk reaction or just, like, how the fuck dare you?

And they try to cancel you. And they do the exact same thing that maybe they were criticizing the left of doing for the last eight years. So. And it's just. It's like what we do, you know. It's a Roershack test, right? It's like, whatever you believe, you see. You know, if you're somebody who is very for, you know, free speech and you like jokes

and you're not a big like identity politics guy, you'll watch this show and you'd be like, you know, those two guys are the truth. They're the realest ever. I love them. Thank God, they're like protecting free speech. And if you're somebody who's the opposite of that, you'll watch this show and you're like, those guys are fucking Nazis and their assholes and how dare they push this kind of rhetoric and this is what's wrong with the whole world.

You're the same guys. So it's very difficult to convince somebody to feel something different. There's that great Jonathan Hype book that you read that right to spine or whatever. This is a perfect example. I didn't know that that's how our brains work, but now it makes perfect sense. We feel something. We retrofitted justification on it. End of story.

So now we're having these like logical arguments with people who were never like reasoned into their position. it's like arguing with your wife you know what I mean like I'm just seriously honestly I'm just going to therapy with my wife has taught me everything about like communicating with people on the internet

when they feel something like if you and you guys married you guys have okay I am he's smart so it's like your wife you do something pisses off your wife right now is the smartest thing to do

to like logically explain to her why she shouldn't be pissed off? I have tried that many times. How does that work? When you go, not good, man. I hear these data points to show why you shouldn't be angry. Yeah, that has never worked out. You're saying she never goes, oh, you're right. That data does make me less angry.

No, I've never heard a woman say the words you were right in my entire life. That's why, like, I don't believe that Ben Shapiro's actually married. Like, how could you go, like, if facts don't care about your feelings and also be married? You would know that feelings don't care about facts. And you would know that's what motivates human interaction constantly, right? So what we should be doing online is meeting people where they are emotionally satisfying that feeling and then distributing some facts. And that's a very, very good point because what we are in now is a boat is going up this way. And what I find really interesting is there's been a lot of comedians and I understand why.

Because Kamala was such a dreadful candidate. Awful. Trump was a better candidate. We can all agree. Sure. But now the boat's coming up here and the right are in power, and they're going to start doing some pretty dodgy things. And those comedians who've come out and been pro-Trump, that leaves you in a pretty difficult position now, doesn't it? Yeah, it depends. Like, if you were...

Like, this is why I didn't go to the inauguration. I think it was very generous of them to, like, invite me. But I felt like showing up at the inauguration is, like, this endorsement. of them. And like, I'm on that team specific. I'm on team America. So, like, what's best for America? Do I have optimism about the administration more than the last one? So, yeah, I'm like, I hope it works. When they bring up some tariff shit, like, I don't know if I'm financially illiterate. I don't know if tariffs work or not, but I'm like, this other shit wasn't working. Let's see if this works. Like, I have optimism. But I don't really believe in, like, endorsement. I don't believe in, like,

taking a side per se because I think it's hard to do comedy when people like know your side know what you're already going to say about a topic like I want to surprise you you know now that being said like I'm sure people will label me in whatever way they want and bear allowed to do that and there are people think I'm like some right wing maga lunatic you know there are people who think that I'm like this like centrist you know try to appease all sides guy like whatever like we said Rorschach does whatever you already feel that's what you'll see You sold out, man. Yeah, of course.

I sold out. Every direction I sold out. That's what I find funny. It's like everyone who tries to have any semblance of balance is always getting accused of selling out. When it's like, it's quite a normal position not to be entirely convinced that one side has all the right answers. Yeah, who believes that? And also it's like the side switched so much. You know, when I was younger, like, Democrats were cool.

They were getting their dick sucked in the office. They were like, right? They were like, they were like supportive of like hip hop music. They said, do whatever you want. Like, we don't want to be in your bedroom. They were cool with gay people. Like, it was cool to be a Democrat. Now, conservatives got three baby moms.

The president got three baby mamas. He's getting pussy left and right. Right? He's cool. He's the one saying, say whatever the fuck you want. So now conservatives have become Democrats. So I don't think I've changed. I just like the dudes to get pussy and say whatever they want.

So it's very, you want me to be a Democrat again? Get some pussy. Tell me to say whatever I want. I'm there. But also the people who are behaving like Democrats as conservatives were Democrats a few years ago. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm saying, like, the idea that, like, you have this loyalty to the party. The party doesn't even have loyalty to itself. So how can you say that, how do you say I have loyalty to the party? It's like the party changed drastically, completely flipped in the last, like, five years, eight years, 12 years, whatever you want to say.

So maybe I'm just making decisions based on the things that I care about in the moment. Maybe that group is, you know, connecting to me more in this moment. Well, it sounds to me like you've stayed pretty consistent about what you think is important and the world's changed. It's how I feel as well. Yeah. It's like your point about, you know, people used to shut down people's opinions or jokes or whatever. They used to be Christian conservatives, mostly, really. Yeah.

Right. And now it kind of got flipped. They tried to ban rock music and rap music. Like, how could I support that party? What young kid is going, yeah, we need a ban rap and rock music? I mean, we need it. Those guys seem cool. You know what I mean?

Like, whereas Democrats, dude was, you know, he's like, yeah, I smoked. I didn't inhale, but I smoked it. And we're like, oh, you're a liar. I like that. I said that to my dad or whatever the fuck, right? So, yeah, I think it was just more relatable. Obama had a great line about that. Do you remember?

The Coke line? No, no, no. When he was asked, there was like eight of them and they were all, they all went, did you smoke weed? And like, seven of them went, yeah, but I didn't inhale. And they were like, they went to Obama. Did you inhale? And he went, yeah.

that was the point. I mean, he's fine. He was cool. He was cool. Yeah, he was. I think they need some cool. They need an injection of cool. Yeah. I think that would help.

Yeah, anytime like I'm like critical of Democrats right now, it's, it's hoping that they will, you know, restore their connectivity to the American people. Like I grew up a Democrat. Like my parents had a dance studio. I grew up in the arts in New York City. Like, what else do you think that I would be? You know what I mean? I went to public school in New York City. My parents were in the arts, obviously.

So, yeah, I just, I hope they pay attention to, like, what's happening and what the American people are feeling. How did you get into comedy from there, Andrew? What's your journey? I listened to Eddie Murphy's delirious with my dad at a very young age on cassette. It was an audio cassette. And I just saw my dad dying laughing to Eddie Murphy. And I've probably been chasing that laugh ever since. Yeah. And then I just became kind of like obsessed with it. I'd watch Deaf Comedy Jam. I bought those like tapes. They would do like a monthly thing back in the day where they'd send you a new cassette of whatever that month's Deaf Comedy Jam was. And then I saw the Kings of Comedy, Bernie Mac specifically. And I was like, oh my God, this is the funniest human being ever. And then Chris Rock. And then Patrice. And Patrice is just a lot.

like the highest level I've ever seen it done. Do you see them live? I've seen them live, yeah. I was at Elephant in the room. I was at the taping as like a fan. I didn't even know him. I was just like, this is the greatest. And I've seen everybody.

I've seen everybody. I've seen them do well and not do well. That's still the highest level I've ever witnessed in person. Why? What was it about Patrice? It's like everything. Like just straight human connectivity, the conversational nature.

But it's like he got you to, he disarmed you. in a beautiful way, like, very quickly to where you didn't think that this was a comedy show with prepared jokes. But he gave you prepared jokes. So he could...

The jokes were solid enough for him to stand up there. I'm like, here's my next joke. And it would murder. But he was, like, conversational and, like, genuinely thinking about his premises as he was talking them. Now, it could be act, sure, as it is. But, like, you believed it.

So now you're disarmed. and you're getting amazing jokes. And, like, it was just, like, phenomenal. Just, just the observations, the references, also just crowdwork, like, him interacting with people. He's, like, just, like, brutal honesty. Never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to. There's a lot of people who are like, what do you do for a living?

You don't care. You don't care what they do for a living. Ask them what you care about, you know? And the interesting thing with Patrice was is that he spent a lot of time struggling in his career. Yeah. Because for reasons that were primarily his own fault. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know that much about that. I've heard that. But he was, like, tough to deal. You're talking about not... When we had Burr on, it's one of the things you talked about.

Yeah. It was like he was a hard person to deal with, even though Bill loved it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, when you said struggling the career, I thought you meant, like, in terms of, like, getting laughs or learning how to be fun. No, no, no, no, no.

You mean, like, getting on TV shows and doing that kind of show. Yeah, but also, you know, and I've heard this from numerous people, including people who worked with him in the UK, who said, you know, when he turned up and he was in the right mood, brilliant, you're going to have a great time. Yeah. When Patrice was in a bad mood or someone, you know, you know, kicked a little bit of sand in the metaphorical vagina.

Yeah. You know, everyone was going to fucking know about it. Yeah, they're going to feel it. Again, I didn't know them like that, so I've heard stories about that, but I just would never say that about somebody that I didn't know for certain, you know. Yeah. You know, but yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of people in this business that are a pain in the ass to be around. At least be funny.

Like, there's a lot of people that are just annoying to be around and they're unfunny. And you're like, what the fuck is going on? But that motherfucker, he had it. Yeah. He had it, dude. Yeah. And it's, you look at what Patrice was doing. You look at the discourse now.

And as a comedian, you're excited by what's happening. But there's, because we were talking before you came on a couple of, for a couple of days on and off, about there's also this ugly thing that's happening with American discourse. So I personally am finding really worrying. Yeah. As someone who looks more than a little bit Jewish, seeing, you know, full-blown anti-Semitism. And they're not just like, man, that's racist. You criticize Israel in this. As in not like, this is a real deal.

Yeah. I think you and I as people who present as Jewish people have a little bit more sensitivity to the Jewish issue than the average person per se. Like obviously you're going to care about it because, you know, you are. You know, we talked about this before, right? My grandfather was an atheist secular Jew. That's my connection to Jewishness. It's fairly tenuous. A lot of Jews are like, no, you're not really Jewish, mate.

Yeah. The reason, I'll be honest with you, the reason anti-Semitism concerns me, is not because my grandfather was Jewish. It's because it's not usually a sign that things are going in the right direction. Yeah. It's usually a sign that people are pissed off. The economy is not going the right way.

You're concerned about anti-Semitism because it could mean that the economy is not good. I'm concerned. Which is the most Jewish thing. That it is. But you've missed... That quarter is working overtime, right? That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying, is, you know what I mean. Of course, absolutely. It's a reflection of the fact that the world's not in a good place. Yes. And maybe not heading in the right direction. Yeah. And this is cyclical throughout history.

The world will get into places where it's very difficult financially. You know, so what do we do when that kind of happens? We scapegoat people. That's my point. Yeah, ideally we don't just scapegoat, you know, the Jews. But I agree with you. There's some, like, really disturbing shit you see online. And it's got, you know, friends of mine that are Jewish, like, terrified.

Like, absolutely terrified. Because they grow up with a different paranoia than, like, say, me or you, or maybe even you, if you didn't grow up with it. Like, they grew up with the stories of what it happened. So then when they start hearing these similar adages being used, they're like, uh-oh, is it going to happen again? My grandma said, this is exactly the thing that happened before, you know, World War II or great-grandma, where the other f*** it is now. We're so old. But, but, yeah, so I understand that paranoia and I understand that concern. And, yeah, I think there's like a, I think there's a great, I imagine, I think there's like a pressure for Jews to like label things as anti-Semitic, right? Because I imagine, I don't know, but that they'll go, hey, if, if I point out that that's anti-Semitic, then everybody will go, hey, we got to stop that anti-Semitism, that's wrong, that's f*** up. And then, you know, we'll snuff it out so it doesn't get too popular. And what I think, unfortunately,

Unfortunately, a lot of Jews are learning is that people don't really care that much if something is labeled anti-Semitic. And I think, and I think a lot of Jews are like, why don't people care? Like, what the fuck is going on? And I think that there is a disconnect in terms of, like, what non-Jews and Jews feel in terms of that paranoia. The paranoia that the Jews feel, non-Jews do not feel at all. They don't even know Jews. Most people have never met a Jew. They see Kirby enthusiasm, they see Seinfeld, and that's it.

Like, they think that, like, you're what Jews look like, and you're not even a Jew. There's a lot of them. Yeah. But, like, they don't know what, like, a Sephardic Jew looks like. They don't know what, like, a Moroccan Jew. Like, they don't even know that that's, like, a type of Jew, right? So there's, like, one idea. It's from TV shows, and that's kind of it.

And then they have, like, ideas about them. You know, I think a lot of people have, like, there's a... The way I've described it is, like, there's, like, this, like, ambient light, this, like, sentiment about Jews. and when the economy is good, it doesn't really matter, right? But there's, like, the feelings you could say, there's, like, some negative stereotypes, right? It's just like, oh, they kind of stick together.

They are successful. They try to help each other out, right? And then, like, once the economy gets rough, they start going out, why do they have money and I don't have money, you know? Once eggs get expensive, it's hard to pay your rent. You're like, what's going up with that? Eggs don't seem expensive to them. There's only a few of them.

Why do they own so many sports teams? what the fuck is going on? Why do they have this lobby that gets to lobby America and then we send a lot of money and they just start getting like confused and then you go down that conspiracy rabbit hole and this is where I think

like transparency is actually the best way of handling things. Instead of like labeling people as anti-Semitic I think like transparently disseminating information I think is valuable. The problem with that is you very quickly get into

very uncomfortable territory because let's say your point about Jews being overrepresented in certain things right yeah jews are overrepresented in certain things yeah now once you begin to ask why that throws shade on everyone else why because depending on what your explanation of that reason is it's quite unpleasant for people to hear for example there are some people who will say it's cultural they will say the jews have a super focused on education by the way the jews not the only Jews in the world. Like this same thing happens to all sorts of minority groups around the world and like East Asians in Africa. They're like the ones that do that type of business and whatever. The moment things go bad, they get kicked out or killed. Yeah. So, but if, let's say we take

the cultural explanation. You say, well, these people have a culture. It's implied the moment I say that it's superior, right? If they, if they perform better, that means their culture is superior. What does I say about my culture. Well, my culture is inferior. That's not a pleasant thing to hear. Another explanation that people will say is, well, if you look at IQ by group, some groups have a higher IQ. What does that mean? Well, that means that. Well, you guys made the test, obviously. Everybody knows that. You guys control the weather and you make the IQ test. That's what it is. Yeah. Some groups, therefore, have a lower IQ. Yeah. No one wants to hear they have a lower IQ. Yeah. Right. So that's what I mean, when I say the moment you begin to address that, we get into very uncomfortable territory.

And the other problem you have is Jews tend to, like, I... Why do you think that Jews tend to succeed? I think it's a combination of those two explanations. And I'm leaning more in a genetic direction personally. So you think it's just higher IQ? You don't get way disproportionate and Nobel Prize winning scientists. How can Jews be this smart and they haven't figured out how to not get kicked out of a country. Because they're

annoying. I thought you were going to say, how would they figure this out and not managed to be likeable? I mean, I think it's so smart. But who likes the smart kid in the class, Andrew? I mean, nobody. Yeah, I guess Elon's going through it right now. I mean, I want

Elon. If World War III breaks out, I want the guy who sends the rockets to Mars on my team. Yeah, I want to keep them. Yeah. Yeah. So then maybe that's it. Maybe we need to like, we need more like societal utility from the Jews. I think that's, well, I mean, I think that's like the start like right there. You know, there's all this like concern about the relationship between America and Israel.

And first of all, like Israel should be able to be criticized like every other fucking country. I hate this idea. Like if you're critical of Israel, it just like means you're an anti-Semit. I think that does a great disservice to Jewish people in general. Like you're allowed to, we criticize America, right? Americans relentlessly criticize our own country. We can criticize Israel. We can criticize a great Britain.

We can criticize Poland. We can do what the fuck we want. Okay? This is America. You can say whatever the fuck you want. Now, you can also be critical of the current war going on. Like, you absolutely can. Maybe you disagree on it.

But, like, you're not an anti-Semite for doing it. Are there anti-Semites that do it? Sure. But it doesn't make you one naturally. So, like, we've got to allow a little bit of space for that. Right. And, yeah, so I forgot what the fuck I was saying. Well, I think you.

Your point broadly is when people have a meltdown because someone said something, it's never going to result in the outcome that people think it is, which is like this thing gets shut down. I just don't think we live in that world anymore. That's it. It was the transparency. So I think when I talk about, like, you know, disseminating information, like, we don't live in the ages where, you know, information is centralized.

Now it's decentralized. So everybody has access to information. And because of that, it's, like, easy to, you know, expose certain truths that didn't exist before. It's also easy to cook up conspiracy theories. So it's like, I think you actually need to be more transparent with information. Anytime it seems like you're time to squash it, humans have this instinct and go, well, why don't they want us to know about this thing? So it's like if right now people are questioning the relationship between U.S. and Israel and like why we're so close and why this relationship is so important, just tell them. It should be

pretty easy. Agreed. Yeah. But just tell us like and then how much easier would it be for like a Jewish American that gets to go, hey, see, it's not just APEC is lobbying all these senators in it. But if there isn't anything, then there's credibility to that criticism. Right? Oh, is it just the lobbying? Like, I think this type of, I think this type of like open discussion is important, you know, like, who knows what the fuck Israel and Mossad does for America? Like, you know, maybe America, maybe there's people in America that have like, you know,

special interests. They want to get more involved in the war in Ukraine, right? When did that guy Navalny die in Russia? In the last year, I think? It was like a week before we decided to like send more weapons, right? I don't remember, but let's say... I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying.

My look wasn't like Andrew's weird. My look was like, I don't remember and I... I'm just saying like hypothetically, right? Like hypothetically, we want a justification to go, you know, support this war in Ukraine. And we need Putin to look like even more of a lunatic than he really is. So his biggest detractor dies in prison in Siberia. He doesn't need to die there. He's away in Siberia.

There's no way to even see anybody. But the guy ends up dying, and now there's a justification. We've got to stop this, Lunatic. We've got to go give him. I'm making it up right now, like poke holes and everything I'm saying. I'm just doing a hypothetical. Can America send a CIA operative out there to kill him? Probably.

Or does Mossad have access to that prison? They could murk that guy for us, and now it doesn't come back to America. And then, again, I don't know what the relationship is. And obviously, you can't, like, go on CNN. and say that's what it is. But if Americans have a question about our relationship with any country in the world, the American government has a duty to tell us.

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way more fucking boring than whatever the conspiracy we've cooked as it is. Well, the problem is there are still conspiracies from ages ago that remain completely. And I like JFK. I mean, how long has it been? Jesus Christ. That's going to be boring when it comes out, bro. I promise you. What do you mean?

I was just going to be, I just know it. Well, like some lunatic just went and did it. No. So why live in covering up the whole time? It's probably, well, there's maybe somebody doesn't want to lose a job. Like, I'm messing this up. They've all got to be dead by now, man. Well, I think it was Sagar that said this about, like, 9-11, for example.

Then I want to get back to you. But, like, I think Sager said something about, like, there was, like, a brand new FBI or CIA director that was, like, a weekend that happened before. And, like, they had gotten warnings about it. He, I guess, didn't take the warning serious enough. It happens. And then he's like, I've got to cover this stuff or else is my ass. I could be butchering this. It's on an episode of Flagrant.

He was talking about it. But that's not even close to as interesting as the Jews did it. No, that. You know, some ineptitude at the highest level of the CIA or FBI, whatever it is, is boring. It's gray. It's probably. But come back to JFK, because I don't really like that. You think it's good.

If it was a boring explanation, as boring as they knew this guy was going to do it and they fucked up, I mean, how long has it been? It's been 60 years. I don't know if it's boring. Maybe boring is the wrong word. But I don't think it's not going to be as exciting as the Jews did it. Yes. Yes. Or it's not even the Jews or whoever else it is, right? Like, I think it was the Italian mob at one point of time. Well, we had Michael Francis on, and he basically said in the paywall section of that podcast,

like they had a very strong connection to it. What is the guy's name, Roosioly or something like that? That's like an Italian restaurant. But there's a specific guy. The level of fact-tick on this particular podcast is incredible. We need somebody. We need a Jamie. No, so it's like, yeah, listen, there are people that would know way more about that shit than I do. What I assume is that when you try to stifle things, we get really creative and our mind starts going wild.

Yeah. And we cook up the most insane conspiracies about it. And the truth will definitely be interesting, but boring in comparison to what we've cooked up. Yes. That makes sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Seems like I'm trying to cover up these things. No, like obviously something fucked up happened.

and we should figure it out. But it's not as wild as like whatever fucking lunatic on Twitter who used to like yell at only fans girls and now is decided he's a geopolitical expert is cooking up, right? Like there's no way that the foremost geopolitical experts in the world used to yell at only fans girls. Like there's no way they have all the information. Nobody else has it.

Just the guys that used to yell at sluts are now like, no, no, no, no. I'm going to expose the truth that all. only I have. Like, what are the chances of that? What are the chances that those guys got it? I can't believe he said sluts. Yeah, I think the correct term is sex positive. We got to stop that. That's something I hope Trump stops. I don't want to do any more this like, we got to stop like dignifying whores. You're a whore. That's what you decide to do. And that's fine. Is it? I'm not saying, no, I'm actually, it's your body you do whatever you want.

Yeah, you're pro-ho. I'm pro-your-body, do it what you want with it. So you could do that. But we're not going to call you a sex worker. We're not going to like thank you at the Oscars or whatever. You're a whore. So sex work isn't real work. Stigmatize it. Of course it's not real work.

We do it to take a break from work. Do you know what I mean? The guy fucking is working or no? Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, the girl who f-tend, like Lily Phillips, a thousand or Bonnie Blue, you know, these ladies. Yeah. A thousand...

Ladies. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a thousand dudes in a night or a day or whatever it is. Yeah. I mean, that's work, isn't it? That was my...

That's a professional approach, Andrew. That was my way of, like, solving the grooming gang things that you guys have. Go on, solve it. You got the only fill this is down to fuck anybody. You can line them up, right?

It seems like... Only fans for Bradford. There we go. We don't figure it out. Yeah. No. I don't think just because you do something a lot, it makes it work. Like, if I go to the gym, it's not a job.

I'm just doing it. It sucks. She spent 10 hours a day playing video games. You're not. Yeah, it's not work. Okay, here's a, what about Arnold Schwarzenegger? They're getting paid, man. What about Arnold Schwarzenegger? That was his job.

That was his job. Twitch streamers. They play video games. Did he need a dignified name for it? No. Yeah, he was a bodybuilder. Gym slut. Call him whatever you want.

Like, okay, body games. Builder, that's what you do. Dick taker. We can call them dick takers. But we're not going to do this thing where you're like a sex worker and this is a real job and it's just like somebody who shows up on a shift in a construction site. No, it's not. It's the easiest way out. You took the easiest way out. Maybe you don't have other skills, which is fine and I empathize with that. That sucks. But stop acting like it's not the easiest way out. It's emotionally hard and you're going to feel that for years to come, but it's the easiest way out. I see all these stance about number of American women that are on OnlyFans.

And I'm like, you know, I get excited. Yeah, I do. I go, this is brilliant. It's a growth industry. Yeah, exactly. Love standards. Who's signing up to these OnlyFans? I don't know.

Yes. We've got to figure that out. Like, it's all available on Reddit. It's all available on Twitter. Like, it's not like you can't see it. So who is signing up? It's, in my opinion, it's not about the nudity. No, it's a relationship thing.

It's a fake relationship. And you know what's, when you say fake, it actually is. I feel like I'm like exposing an industry. They just have other people that are chatting with the suckers who are paying them $5, $10, $20 or whatever a month. So it's not even the girl you're talking to. But humans are emotional beings, as we were saying before, they don't care. It's like when someone's getting catfished, they don't want to find out the truth.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. The person getting tricked participates in the lie. Yeah, because it feels good. Yeah. Because it's what you want. It's what you want. And you're getting what you want.

So like, maybe I'm a douchebag for even calling it out. It's like, no, that is the person. That is the person you're paying for. Enjoy that. They're saying these things. You get that hit of dopamine and it's awesome. And good for you.

Nobody's getting hurt. That's fine. I don't know about either. I don't think both people are getting hurt, don't you? I don't know for a fact. Like, I don't know. It's $5 a month. Like if you, you know what I mean?

It's not like these. It's a most American approach. No, it's only $5. You can't be getting hurt. Listen. Listen, if you're spending like 20 grand a month on an only fan's girl, maybe you're getting hurt, but you also have 20 grand a month to spend, so I don't know.

But like $5 a month, have at it, bro. They're worse vices. You know, when you're talking about this and you're saying about, you know, that you're a willing participant in your own delusion, I find that really interesting because America, to me, is the land of conspiracy theories. Yes. We are willing participants in our own delusion.

And actually, one of the problems with America right now is that we're not as delusional as we usually are. America thrives on our own delusion. Every American, when they're born, believes they will be a millionaire. And some are starting to believe that that's not a possibility. And that is dangerous. In order for this country to function in the way that it does, we need to have that, like, delusional confidence. We have the DNA of people who left their entire families for a chance at a better life. but also to get rich.

Like, every one of us here left their entire family to never see again, hoping that it would work out. We're like the risk takers of the risk takers in the world. So we born and we go, okay, I'll be a millionaire, probably. I mean, there's retarded people who are millionaires on the internet.

I see them on TikTok. Girls get ready and they become millionaires. Like, that's their job. Like, what do you do? Why get ready? And you make money on that? I make millions of dollars. I got ready today.

I made $10,000. that's their job. How stupid do you feel if you're an only fan girl? Their girls making millions dollars getting dressed. But that is... Like, is that not crazy? Yes, but no. Because there's people who make millions

doing something even more retarded than that. Which is? Podcasting. I was going to say that. I was going to say stand-up. Yes, yes, yeah, yes. But that's the problem, because the American dream is a thing that binds you all together.

This country only works if you think anyone can make it. And that's what makes this country special. But if you lose that, then what has America got? I mean, it's still the greatest place in the history of the universe. No, apart from that. I mean, I just like, I don't know another point. You're totally right. But this is what I've always said about.

There's such a big difference. I think a lot of the stuff about conspiracy theories is like cross-examination. cultural misunderstanding because people who don't come to America from Europe. They're like, what the fuck are these guys on about? But I think it's the other side of the coin, which is like this is a place where everyone believes that anything is possible, right? So if anything is possible, then anything is possible. Yeah. Right. Well, maybe we didn't do the moon landings. Maybe, maybe, uh, I think it's the other side of that coin. Yeah, our, uh, or, uh, what is it, gullibility or gullableness? What is that word?

gullibility. Gallability. Yeah. Leaves us open to the consumption of conspiracy theories in a way other cultures might not. Like, yeah, I've never thought about it like that. I guess that's the other side of the coin. Yeah. I think it's definitely that because like if anything's possible, then...

Yeah, why isn't this possible? Why isn't this possible? And also, like, once I'm fed truths that I've been lied to by my government, like, once I found out that like for-profit pharmaceutical companies will, like, inject children with shit, I'll go, okay, well, I'll never trust pharmaceutical company again. And then somebody starts going, well, hey, these vaccines could give your kid autism. I just had a daughter and I'm like, well, what does that mean? Like, and they're just some random idiot with a TikTok account.

You can't talk about it. Shout out to Bobby, man. Shout out to Bobby, man. But like, all it takes is one for me to start going down that rabbit hole because, like, I want to protect that little girl, like, more than anything in my entire life. if I want to protect her. And I don't want to, one, I want to protect her. Two, I don't want to be the responsible party to anything that could be negative that

happened to her. And I don't have the education to thwart any of the information that I'm consuming. Somebody says a vaccine did this in this trial. I'm like, I guess it did that. I haven't read the other trials. So I think going back to what we said before, like, I think what American sees is like brutal transparency. Like nothing would be better if they just did a vaccine trial and then found out,

hey, we actually found no adverse effects, you know, or no more than any other medication that we constantly use, you know. There are these instances where this potentially could happen if your kid has these, you know, red flags, maybe you consider a different option. Like, how amazing would that be for American parents where we just go, thank you so much for being honest. And we'd like to make that decision with like truthful information. Do you think that's where the other, you know, Francis and I love America is an amazing place. But do you think that's maybe where the other side of another coin comes in, which is this, the culture here is so obsessed with making money.

Yeah. That people will do some pretty horrific shit as long as it makes business sense. And it almost like feels justifies. Right. We have a saying, I don't know if you guys have it there, but like, it's just business. Yeah. No, we don't have that saying. No, we don't.

But it's ridiculous saying, like, I could fuck you over, but like, hey, it was just business. Yeah. It's like, no, it's not just business. No. Like you and I built a relationship based on. what I assumed were shared values. And then you did something that broke the trust that I had in you with those values. And, yeah, I think it's really fucked up.

Yeah, there is a little bit of a disconnect. You know, we all call ourselves Americans and we're in this thing together. But sometimes it seems like we have no problem taking advantage of other Americans. And it's like with the crypto rug pulls and all this kind of stuff. It's like, well, those are your countrymen. Those are the people that invested in your, and yeah, they invested it based on greed. Okay, but that doesn't mean they're allowed to fuck them over. you know, maybe they had optimism about what you were about to offer them.

Yeah. Well, you can be a really big fan of capitalism, but also recognize that there are extremes to it. We, yeah, 100%. I think one of the big issues in America is, I was just doing the All In podcast, so I want to, like, credit them for this idea. But like, I think the reason why a lot of Americans feel like a lack of hope about their ability to be financially successful is, it's, it's, it's, it's, It comes from, I think, like, post-global financial crisis, so like after, what is that, 2008? Mm-hmm. In order to, like, get the economy going again, I think the Fed dropped interest rates to, like, zero percent. So you could get money for nothing, right?

And if you're somebody who's, like, financially illiterate, I'm not at all. But you get levered up, right? You take out as much money as you possibly can, and you dump it into a recovering market that you know it's going to go up. And I think a lot of Americans that were very wealthy did that, and then they saw insane gains in the stock market.

The middle class that had like what we call like 401Ks and Roth IRAs. I don't know if you guys have the same thing. Yeah. We know what you mean. Right. They were through these investment tools able to get some access to that. So they went up a little bit. And then everybody else got left behind.

I think it's very hard to believe in capitalism when it's not working for you. It seems to be working against you. Like all these people here, their wages didn't go up. They keep hearing how great the economy is. This shows you, and this is not to rag on the Democrats, but it shows you how disconnected Democrats are from, like, actual working class people. They kept bragging about Biden's economy.

They're like, Biden has the strongest economy. It's the most of making, no, no, no. The stock market was good. The stock market does not reflect the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans don't even own a stock. They don't even know what the stock is. And what they're seeing is their elected officials going, the economy's great.

And they're like, I've been making the same wage at Walmart and it's getting more expensive. How can you tell me the economy is great, right? And when you feel that, you just feel like the train got on the tracks and pulled away and left you behind. So then you start to have this like anti-American sentiment because America doesn't seem to be working for you.

So one of the things that it's not my idea, but like I think it's very important is like, you want Americans to be on board with capitalism. they have to feel the benefits of it. They have to be invested in capitalism. So I don't know if it's given every American 10 grand invested in, you know, SMP 500 from the day they're born that they can't touch until they're 22. But I promise you have a very different sentiment about the stock market,

about capitalism, about America, about CEOs. Like, it's hard to hate Elon when your biggest stock holding is Tesla. Right? Like, all of a sudden, you go, I kind of like this guy. You're doing a good job, aren't you? take it easy on them, right? When every American is invested in the success of American industry, you will have a very different relationship with American industry. But we've left far too many people behind, and I think as to what you guys are saying, we feel way too comfortable doing it.

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See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. You get rid of that. Were you surprised with the Luigi Mangione case the number of people who came out and were pro this dude? I think that that's like a really important thing to pay attention to if you have a lot of money in America. I think the other thing that people don't talk about as much, but it's like what happened in California in the Palisades. It's the same reaction, right? And like you understand everything about a culture

based on their reaction to like defining events. So the Manjoni thing, everybody was making jokes on Twitter, that guy. We don't know. This is a guy who went and assassinated a healthcare company. Allegedly. Allegedly? No, he killed him.

Yeah, he killed him. I don't feel like we need to. We got video. So he shot this guy. And then what happened in the Palisades is there were some fires that burned down an entire district. And the attitude was essentially, oh, that's, they have another house in Aspen. They have another house over here. Like, oh, it's just rich people's houses.

Who gives us? I see. I see what you're saying. And the sentiment is, what we were just talking about is like there's a lot of people that are poor here. And they feel like the country has kind of let them just stay there as it pulled away and made all this money in crypto or made all this. this money in stock market or made all this money on the american dream is not for them that's what

they feel so now when all those people that they believe from our people are emotional so it's like that they believe are the ones that made all the money on the stock market made all the money in crypto or made they're the CEOs now that their houses got burned down and one of them gets shot in the head they go i don't give a you didn't give a fuck about me you let me sit here like an asshole while y'all took out loans for zero percent and then made 22 percent back on the stock market. You never checked on me and saw how I was doing. Never told me I should get alone. And when you think about it, America, nobody does cults like you do cults in this country. We do believe anything, Brad. You can love it. We love believing. But here's the point.

You love believing. So if you've essentially ostracized these people from the American dream, they're separated, they're angry, they're resentful, and guess what they've got every right to be, You need to be really worried, particularly now that there's the internet where everybody can connect, that they're going to form their own cult and something quite dark is going to happen. Yeah. I mean, that happens all the time. Absolutely. I mean, you see the way people are talking about the Jews on Twitter right now.

It's exactly that. None of those people are successful. You know what I mean? Show me the billionaire guy who's like, yeah, he's Jews. You know what I mean? He can't. That's his golf club. That's his golf club.

Yeah. So there's like Yeah so it's Yeah I think it comes from desperation Yeah You know what I'm like So you're selling MSG out night after night

You must be a little bit Have you got a gun under your pillow For Luigi? No No No but like New York He doesn't have a gun

No I would never No No I uh But no I think you definitely feel it As you become more successful Like as you become more successful There's going to be more criticism And as your life becomes less relatable, there's going to be more criticism.

I think when you're on your way up, you remind people of their hopes, their aspirations, their dreams. And I think, like, when you hit a level of success, you can remind some people of what they may never accomplish. And then from that comes resentment. You have less of that here than we have in Britain. Like, in Britain, we absolutely hate successful people in every week. We see if there's more celebration.

Oh, okay. Oh, wow. So you know all about it. Yeah. And she told me, she's like, I mean, like, I'm talking about it. like work in class, like dad worked on the docks, you know, died of, you know, lung cancer or whatever from the asbestos or whatever was in the boats. Like, yeah, and I get that. And she told me that. You know, it's like this idea of, who do you think you are? You think you're better than us.

And this is like, I imagine there's like the class system still exists like emotionally. Yes. Oh, yes. Yeah, it does. And which I don't know if I'd make an argument for it, but I wonder if like part of the idea of it was to like temper what you have in America, which is the frustration of the upward mobility not working for you. Like maybe the idea in Britain is like, all right, well, if we just make everybody feel like they should stay there, at least they'll just be happy where they are with their people. They'll be annoyed at the rich people, but they never hang out with them. Now, you didn't plan for Instagram and social media when you created this system. now you've got a lot of working glass people

they've got to look at rich people doing shit all day and they're like dumb but back in the day maybe it maybe it functioned all right because kept the riffract where it belonged because you spend

you spend most of time so Francis Francis has a bit of a chip on his shoulder I have a large chip a large why why well because he comes from a like

he will say he will say lower middle class which is a way of saying he feels slightly insecure about it whereas I It's a boarding school. And I'm from another country, so I don't really have class, so to speak. So I'm free of that.

Yeah. He never has. So no matter how successful we are, he still feels resentful. I still want to burn down his fucking school. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. For no fucking reason. No, for every reason.

It's too much privilege. I won't rid of it. You want to be miserable like me. Yeah, but you don't have to be miserable. You got everything. No, I cannot have to be miserable. It's burn into me through generations. That's basically it.

Get rid of it. Enjoy your success. No. You deserve it. I'm sure that. I feel sick. I feel utterly sick. I was watching your special and it's great and I urge everyone to watch it.

But when you came out and everyone was going mad and there was a big fireworks, if that happened in Scotland, you would have been executed. I did it in Scotland. You did it in Scotland? Yeah, of course. I did it in Glasgow. You did it in Glasgow? Yeah, that's where my mom's friend.

Yeah, I love the show. We had a great time of the show. And you did, man. And the Scots went with that? Yeah. But he's American. So when he's coming over. but it's factored in.

Your point is not if Andrew did that in Scotland. Your point is if a British comedian looked out like that, had that kind of entrance. Everyone would be like, what the fuck does this country is? I love pissing y'all off with that shit. I don't love pissing you.

Nothing makes me happier than pissing people like you off. Do you know why? It's because we can't express how pissed off we are. Yeah, I know. It's your thing. It's not about me. Yeah. But that's what I'm trying to say, like, it's okay.

You deserve your success. You work very hard for it. You're obviously very good at what you do, so you've earned it. It doesn't mean that we should feel entitled to it. We're all fucking so lucky that we even get to do this for a living. It's insane. But what I realize is that, like, the people who are very happy for my success, be that fans or even other comedians or stuff like that,

are usually pretty, like, confident folks. And the ones who, you know, maybe are upset, maybe not as confident. It takes a lot of confidence to be happy for someone else's success. and this industry naturally attracts people with bottomless pits. You know, like I know people who are doing millions of millions of dollars worth of tickets and there's somebody selling a little more than them and that's the only thing they're focused on.

And I'm like, what a waste you are. You know, you got so lucky to have this opportunity to do that and you're focused on like the one other guy who's selling more tickets than you. Like, why don't you focus on the 99.99% of comedians who are you selling more tickets if you need to compare or just be stoked? I don't get that feeling like about other people

well it's a really healthy way to be but I will say from personal experience it is a lot easier to feel that way when you are successful it is a lot easier to have that attitude when you yourself are successful but the majority of my life has not been success yeah so it's like yeah it's like but even during that time like the people I really admired

I would and hopefully you don't feel like I'm ragged on you I know you're just joking around but you'll always think about my feelings. You'll always be where you are. But yeah, like, you know, you've been coming up, like, the people who I, like, really admired and I loved, I just, I had to scream it from... That's different, though, because the gap is big.

You're right. So it's, if you're a new comic and you're looking at Bill Burr, you can be inspired by that. But if you're looking at the guy that you started with, you're right. And he's way ahead of you. If you're 100% right. And you think you're more talented, which every comedian thinks.

You're right. So it's a lot easier to have that. But it's the right attitude. I'm just saying, for me, it's become super easy now that we're like, we're doing well. And we learned it from Joe, actually. Yeah, he's... We learned that, definitely learned that from Joe. Because the first time we went and did the show, suddenly it really hit us the way that,

especially, I think it's a big cultural difference between America and the UK. In America, it's like, there's plenty for everybody. In Britain, this sort of feels like it's very limited and everyone is scrapping over everything. It's a great attitude. I love it. It's so much better. And that trickles down. Yeah.

Yeah, 100%. Like, the comedy scene isn't what it is today if he's not around. And I mean that in terms of the culture that he passes. Like, if you're somebody who's like a gatekeeper and you don't put on other comics, you don't try to help people, you're kind of ostracized from that scene.

You're not looked at as somebody who carries on the tradition of the same, which is like, yeah, let's all help each other. Let's all build. And there's plenty to eat. Like, me getting something is going to take it away from you. And the fact that we can all do everything online, it's not like we're competing for eight half hour specials a year. You just put your special up whenever you want, you know? So I think that, like, I don't think he gets enough credit for, like, the culture that he's created around a business that's, like, insanely competitive and has the most insecure people. Yeah. Yeah. Like competitive and insecurity does not go well when it comes to like social cohesion and wanting to lift others up. But he's been able to do it. Yeah, Rogan is the master of that.

And that's an amazing thing. Did becoming a dad change some of the ways that you looked at life? Yeah. In every way. It's the most cliche. Like every cliche you could ever imagine about having children you feel. You're actually embarrassed as a comedian that you don't have more unique takes. Like I thought, oh, I'm.

have all this unique takes about my daughter. No, it's like my daughter has the best smile and the funniest laugh. And only my daughter does. Everybody with kids feels the exact same way. I became a lot more empathetic when I became a dad. Did you find that? Yeah. I was starting from a low base in my case.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, I think that like I've always, even though like maybe it wasn't reflected in my comedy, but I've always been able to have like a good amount of empathy, I think. but I would say my world got a lot smaller. Like the opinions I cared about. Like, it's very easy to just not care about whatever criticism is out there on the internet

as long as like my daughter's happy and my wife's happy. Like, I really don't need anything else outside of that. And then my friends, like those three, I'm okay. Before that, and granted, this comes with like a certain level of success in the business too. Like, there is a privilege to be like not as concerned about what the world is saying about an interview I did or something. But yeah, I'm just like very satisfied and happy as long as they're happy.

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Yes, exactly. Yes. You've got a, yeah, that is the absolute concern. I mean, it's so interesting. Like, you don't really put a gender on them. as a child like you're not like oh this is my daughter it's like this is my baby

because they don't really do male or female things in the beginning you know but you as like a dad definitely have a more protective like when I didn't know what we're gonna have and I assumed it was a boy I was like they're going to public school the second it was a daughter I was like we gotta look at private

I can't let this girl be around the hooligans I went to school with you know what I'm so you do have a natural you know protectiveness Do you have daughters? Do you have son? Son, son, yeah. Yeah.

But my son is approaching three. He's already doing boy shit. Yeah. Yeah, he's got boy levels of energy and smashing his head into things and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just the coolest.

I hope every... Look at that smile. It's the first time you smiled all interview. Other than when he's rinsed you. Yeah, exactly. He looked delighted. No, it's the best. He is the best.

I want more people... Yeah, I just want more people to have. I became even journalical about kids once I had mine. As we should. Yeah. Why do you think people don't have as many kids?

Well, I think they're expensive. They are. And I think that we start a little bit later here because we're so kind of career-driven. I think it's hard to have them. I mean, the whole special is about my sperm-sucking and us having to go through this huge process of, you know, eventually to IVF

where we were able and we got lucky we were able to. But like a lot of people go through that for, you know, eight years. And unfortunately, aren't able to conceive, and then some of them are lucky enough, too. Like, I got flooded with all these stories of people who, like, tried forever. And what is nice about that is that, like, you get to see how much people really want to have a family. I think a lot of, like, what we project in media is, like, how our kids annoy us, or how they're, like, taking away from something that we want to do. and my experience

and to kind of people who have been relating to my special is people who are desperate to have a family and they thought they weren't going to be able to have one and then with some luck

and some science were then able to and they're so unbelievably grateful so it's like you know how like when immigrants come to America they love everything about America that's how we are about kids we're like I don't know if I'll be able to get there

and then we got there I'm like, oh, my God, this country is amazing. So it's, yeah, it's just awesome. Do you think part of the problem that we see with society is that people don't have families and they're not rooted and they don't feel connected? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Yeah, I think that that's...

And how do we, like, reinstill that? I also think when you have both parents, you know, working really hard, it's maybe difficult to do that. And I think stay-at-home moms are really scrutinized, So at least in America, that is. Like, my wife is, you know, she was, he's got her MBA from NYU. He's working at Apple, like, PMing AI projects. She's like very high functioning, you know, ambitious woman.

She was like, I don't want to do this shit. My wife exactly the same. About six months and they're pregnant as I am. Literally at six months. Yeah, yeah. Well, once the baby comes along, it's hard for that not to be your priority. It's like, I don't do shit that would be good for my career because I'm like, you know what, I want to do bath time.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's worth more to me. Way more. Than going out and getting an X grand for this thing that, you know, that I'd quite like to do. Yeah. But I just, this is more, it's worth more.

100%. You know, it's funny. It's funny that way. It's funny that way. You can have more? I would love to. God willing. Yeah.

That would be great. And it's awesome that you're prioritizing that. Yeah. You know, I mean, it sucks for you. I've just made you. No, second time. No, no, no. But no, it is, I think it's great.

Like, I love to see that. I love to see that reinforced. I think that message needs to be out there more. Yeah, this is what I think is missing from like the masculinity movement. Totally. Totally. It's again, all the same guys. Like, it's all the same guys who have now become like the truth on like Israel and Jews and

geopolitics, like telling us how to be a man, none of them have kids. Yeah. Like, I don't need you to tell me how to be a man if you have kids. Totally. I really don't need it. Like, you could tell me how to lift weights or you could tell me how to do the other thing. But you don't know what it is to be a man yet until you really have children. And then you understand what we're protecting.

And you're in their lives, Andrew, right? Because this is another thing. Having children isn't about putting sperm into a woman. There's a... Clearly. You can get a doctor to do that. But that's what you're saying. really it's about what that commitment and that responsibility does to use a human being

and how you then carry yourself in the world yeah 100% and uh like those are the people that I really look up to I admire like I love that you're making that extra time that's what I mean my schedule is I come at home six o'clock every single day I get to hang with her and then you know we put her down and then I hang with her in the morning when I wake up and it's like I can't break that six o'clock my perfect no but I try my hardest and not break that six o'clock because that's the time i get to hang with her and now she's at the age where she starts she can tell if i'm packing a bag that i'm going to be leaving for a little bit and that's like impossible oh man i i did i did a uh a video call with my wife and son and he's talking now uh the day

we arrived from the uk with landed yesterday and he's like daddy come home quick she's like what am i supposed to do no you can't it's like she like she like grab on and she'll like uh If I try to put her down or I try to walk away, she'll start crying. And when your child grabs onto your arm, like you can actually feel her fingers indent into your arm, it is hard to remove that. Like, that is a unnatural thing. You know, like, I don't even know how to do it.

Like, I can't take her off of me when she wants to be on. So I have to have, like, my wife hug as well. And then maybe she'll make the, move to go on to my wife and then I'll try to sneak out of my own home so I can provide for her. But considering that you have a daughter, has it changed the way that you see the world and the way it treats women? Not really, to be honest with you. Still disapproves the horse.

He's massively anti-hole. Yeah, I'm even more anti-horne now. Like, I grew up with like a very strong woman. Like my mom, you know, she always worked. It was her business. my dad then came over to work in that business. So, like, my expectations of, like, what women can do have always been, like, really high.

So I think a lot of my rejection of, like, the fourth wave of feminism victimhood that you saw was, like, I'm, like, seeing these chicks from Harvard talk about, like, how hard it is to be a woman, like, what they've got to go through. I'm like, my mom stopped going to school at 14 and, like, poor as fuck, you know, outskirts of Glasgow, Scotland, comes to America and has, like, this huge success. and you go to Harvard and you can't figure it out.

Like, what world are we living in right here? So, yeah, I don't think that, but I will say it's changed my idea of, like, stay-at-home moms and the importance of, like, motherhood and being right, if you can't afford it, like, really being with that kid and not looking at it as a sacrifice, but, like, really something that we should reward societally. Like, how do we pour into that?

and try to not make the mistake of like, now that I know my wife is like staying home, I'm like giving her other tasks to do. And that tells you everything about how you view staying at home. Right? Because like if I viewed it as, oh, this is a full-time job that takes up all these jobs. I would never be like, hey, can you also manage our finances?

Like, but it's one of those things where like you've got to start realizing, wait a minute, you could just keep pouring into a kid. you know what I mean they are an empty void as well in a lot of ways like they don't just get filled up and that stops and then you work on the finances like you can every day it can be teaching it can be finding new activities finding interests of them like you just keep pouring it so well obviously I need help in life from my wife you know I don't want to treat taking after taking care of the kid as if it's this thing that doesn't take up a lot of time so that was something I kind of had to learn and it's because it's tough because on the one hand, you've got success and you live in New York, and it's so disastrously expensive. It is. I can't, I don't understand how even upper middle class people live in this city. So this is the great thing about New York, okay? Is that it is humbling. That it is. And we never, like, I had to learn, obviously, like a little bit through my mom, but like there are people, for example,

that they don't like to show how well they're doing because they are concerned that it could piss off their community, their fans, or whoever it is. Luigi. Luigi might get upset. When you grow up in New York, you've never felt rich because there's always somebody way richer.

Down the block. You never feel like you have the best car. You never feel that you have the coolest clothes. You never feel like anything. You never feel like you have. you get into the best club. Like nobody ever feels like there at the top because it's literally the top of everyone in the world

has converged on this one tiny little city. Right? So you're not embarrassed to try one. Like I know sometimes like trying, you know, like trying, making an effort. Like there's this little thing in culture right now which is like if you're trying, it's like uncool or gay.

It's like I can't wait till we get off of that little shit. That is so whack to me. Like you're just afraid to fail. And failure is. cool. You should fail. If you're not failing, you're not trying hard enough. If you are not failing, your dreams aren't big enough. But in New York, we try because that's the only way that you're going to be able to compete. You're going against the best of the best from when you're a kid. Like, it's high performing people's kids. What do you think they do? Do you know what I mean?

It's like the smartest person in Korea married the smartest person in Russia and they made a fucking kid in New York and I got to compete against that motherfucker on a math test. Like, that's life. So trying is cool. But you never feel like you. you're bragging because there's already somebody way more. I had to learn that posting like a picture on a fancy vacation could like make people feel uncomfortable.

And I'm like, this vacation is nothing compared to the guy who lives down the block from me. He wouldn't be caught dead in this hotel. You know what I mean? It was just like a thing I had to learn about success. But I do ultimately think that like trying is

you have to, I would love, I think that's one of the things about American school. It's like that this shameless effort. That's a key part of your success because in Britain we look down on trying. When we started this show, people were going, you're trying?

Yeah. Why don't you just accept? I tell you a story from school time. So you guys have American football, we have rugby. And the one thing that happens is when you score, the same thing happens which is have the opportunity to kick for an extra point in rugby's extra two points. So there was this guy in my school chat out Tom Brown.

Great rugby player. He went on to nearly play professionally, actually. And there was a game, I think it was end of the season. The score was tied. It was like 22, 22 or something like that. Right. And he rushed out and blocked the conversion attempt. And our team went on and won because of that.

Because that. Because they kicked the penalty. It was three points they won. I don't remember the score. But basically, because he blocked that conversion, the team won. And the next day, the entire thing at the school was, oh, what a keener. Someone who's keen, someone tries too hard. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's a posh school. Can you imagine the school that I went to? What? Yeah. So they're upset at the effort that he made. They weren't upset. They look down on him for trying.

So hard. He tried so hard. Like, no one tries to block the conversion. Come on. What are you doing? So where does that come from? Do you mean that's the class shit? Or should this subvert class because it's a sport?

It's meritocracy, its effort. I tell you what I think in the UK it is, at least part of it. The UK used to have a landed gentry. The landed gentry are people who were rich because their grandparents were rich. Yes, yes, yes. So there's a link in people's minds between wealth and being someone whose entire life is spent partying. And you never earned it. You never worked for it.

So if you're rich, you're like probably a bit. suss. You know what I mean? Like, you're not a good person. You didn't work for that. You didn't create things of value to other. You didn't make a special that people went and paid 50 bucks for. Right? You just got it because your dad had it and he had it because his dad had it. And they shouldn't be able to show off. Yeah. I believe in that. Yeah. I think if you didn't earn it or if you didn't create your own path, you shouldn't be able to show off. Definitely. But then there's the other part of the equation, which is if you do come from humble backgrounds and you do make it and you buy You can't say shit.

You can't say, exactly. You should be screaming it from the rooftop. Because here's the thing, you know our term for it? I don't know if you have it here. Nouveau-Riche. Yes. And you know we hate them because we use French words. No, but new money is, we call it new money.

New money is the coolest. No, not in the UK. It means you have no class. Yeah. That's why the British hate Trump. You know, the British hate Trump, and they think, the Americans think, because it's what they say, it's not, it's because he's got a gold elevator.

And we look at that and go, that is disgusting. How tasteless. Now, listen, there is, yes. A golden toilet is fun. Yes, 100%. Like, we would say that about. No disrespect, Mr. President. We still want to interview you, but your golden toilet is a fucking abominations.

It gets a little ridiculous. We would say that about, like, for example, like Miami. Right. Like, there's so many, like green cars there. They're like orange cars, like a Lamborghini Euras. You know what I mean? It's just like, it's the first thing you do when you get some money is that you buy something that lets everybody know that you get.

got some money. And so somebody like, oh, there's a classist there. Yeah. You know what else is really nice about Miami? Is that people, is that there's a classless desk. That's great. You feel free within the classless test. When you're in these like restrictive cultures, like if you're at the fucking downtown abbey or whatever that shit is, you're like, am I

eating the salad right? Is this the right fork? You're like constantly worried about like this pretentiousness being cast on you because you're not operating with the level of like there's a specific field tea or something like that? Yes, yeah, yeah.

You've got to know the rules and have an appropriate level of deference to the right person. Yeah, and it's just like, why did we fight a war? Like, we fought a war so we didn't have to do that shit. Like, if I want to grab the salad with my fingers and shove it in my mouth, then I'll do that because that's the best way that... Did I buy it?

Yeah. I bought the salad. It's here. I don't get a f*** how anybody else sees it. Are classy things nice? Yes, of course. It's beautiful. You go to some fancy place and it's awesome and you sit there. You go, you know, rich people, they made some nice fucking shit. They really did. I like tapping in for like a week or two, going to a nice result. I get it. That's awesome. It's all. I don't want to live there. I like tapping in, enjoying it, get them the fuck out. Get back on the street, have somebody spit, talk some shit. I like using curse words. It's too rigid that culture.

And it's just, what's the point of freedom? Like, I need to act authentically. Authentic action is buying an orange car the second you get money because you're excited. So is, would I ever buy an orange car? No. Do I hope my daughter never dates a guy who was an orange car? Yes, I hope she never dates a guy who was an orange car. Do I love that guy for doing it? Yes. Because he's, he's doing what he wants to do and he's not, not doing it because he's worried about like what some old money person that's never achieved anything in their entire life is telling him what he should or shouldn't do. Does that make sense? That's American Sparrow. Yeah. How can you let motherfuckers that never earned a dollar

make you feel shitty about what you do. Yeah. That's crazy. I don't give a fuck about any of them. When y'all watch Titanic, who's the bad guy? Rose. She pushed him off the thing. Yes, of course, of course. But before Rose did that selfish thing, like,

why does nobody talk about it? No, no, no, no. This is very common in America. It was heroic. No, it wasn't. He was heroic. No. Saving her. No, she could have said, there's two us here, we're going to be together, we love each other, this is meant to be. Did she do that? No, she just fucking let us out. She just met the guy, right? She doesn't love them, you know?

She just got f***ed good. That's it. That's all it is to you. That's all this is. You actually had a point. Who's the bad guy in the Titanic? Yeah, like, to you guys, who's the bad guy? Like, oh, it's, it's Billy Zane's character. Billy's character, but also, like, there's certain characters that are specifically pushing back against this pretentiousness we're talking about. Yeah. So the woman that teaches him how to use the silverware, she's calling a farce on all this stuff. She's like, that's ridiculous.

These people are stupid, but it is what it is. And she's like the idea of like new money. She probably is looked down upon, but she got more money than all these motherfuckers. So in America, we don't really like that. Like there's like these legacy families that you've heard the names, the Kennedys, the Vanderbills, the Rockefellers.

Like, they're almost broke. Like none of them are making any money now. Like they had. And so like your name lasts a little bit, but eventually, you're like, what do you doing for me? Yeah. What are you done for me? You get like a few generations and then this is America, baby. We don't really go for.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Whereas like they would just maintain their estates in Britain for like the next 300 years. Yeah. And you use the example of the orange car. So we've got Premier League soccer in the UK. And for most young working class boys, that's their dream because that's how you make a lot of money. plus you play soccer, which is awesome.

Of course. And then you see these kids who are earning in this astronomical amount of money at the age of 20. And they buy an Orange Lambo. And then you get all these fat people who are like, our age older, going, I can't believe they've done this.

I'm like, you can't believe a 20-year-old dude who grew up in a project has got money, bought an orange Lamborghini. That's what we'd all do. Yeah, that's what every single one of us would do. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, because that's the dream when you're that age. If you've got money...

This is why we created a country. I think you guys need to tap into what's happening here. I think you're realizing why America exists. You know, I realize why America. On that subject, we'll wrap up with this. Are you happy that your success came a little bit later in life? Um, I don't know if it's happy. I'm happy that I got to experience, like, getting some success and then, like, losing it.

Wait, when did you lose it? okay this is like a tricky way of looking at success but like maybe get some success early on I was like on these like MTV shows they were called like Guy Code and all these things it was outside of like it wasn't stand-up but it was like comedy type of TV shows and then that ended and then I was doing the podcast with Charlemagne the God which ended up being like the most fruitful thing that I've ever done in my entire life in terms like building an audience deep connectivity it told me it taught me like what the internet

really was and let me know that there was like an appetite for comedy on the internet. It informed the rest of my career. But in terms of like perceived success, like from going on from being on every TV show on MTV to then doing the pod, it was like getting recognized in the street went away. Not a way, but like not, it wasn't like it was. You know what I mean? So you, did you experience that as a setback then? So I just, I didn't because I was able to do the thing I love, which was stand-up. I was able to support myself. And I was, like, building this really cool thing with my friend.

And so to me, I didn't see it as, like, a setback per se because I was like, oh, I'm getting funnier. And this show is, like, really growing. And, like, but I noticed a difference in, like, people interacting with me, right? And also, like, I noticed a difference with, like, people just interacting me with Charlemagne. He was, like, on a rocket ship, right? So people coming on the show and just not caring at all, like, what I had to say.

And being like, okay, I got to, listen, they're here because of who he is. Like, this guy's a fucking superstar. You don't have to have an ego about that. Like, learn how to operate and score within this system. If you're on team with Jordan, you're not going to get the ball as much as Jordan. But how can you affect the game? And you need to hit the open jump shot. You need to hit every single time.

So just kind of like learning how to do that, observing him. and like trying to soak up as much game. But I felt that kind of difference. Weirdly, like I was still selling tickets and stuff on the road because I had the pod, but there was a different like perceived success. So I got to kind of have like without it and then go through it again. And that was really helpful because it was like I got to do it twice. So I understood what the mechanisms of it were, like how it made me feel emotionally

and how I could operate within it. I never tried, I never want to be like famous. I want to be incredibly successful at stand-up. So I tried to like figure out how to do that. Never figured out like fame. And like I'm kind of learning that now. And, uh, that is something like, you gotta be offensive with fame.

I didn't realize this. Like, not offensive in terms of like offend people, but like you gotta play offense. I didn't get it. But like once your name is clickworthy, there would be people. that are just making views videos because it will get views simply because it's about you or has your name in it. And they'll make money on that. And then once other people see that there's views in it, other people also make videos.

And then, like, I didn't even, in my mind, I was like, well, I'll just keep putting out fire shit. And that's all it matters. It's just like, actually, you have to find a way to navigate all these things. You know, Joe has one strategy. He just doesn't acknowledge any of that shit. Some people acknowledge maybe too much, finding out what to acknowledge. and what not to acknowledge. But like, it's a different part of, like, once the last special came out and everything was kind of cool and, you know, successful, like, I kind of took a break.

I, like, I kind of just did my pod. And from doing this press run and, like, doing a bunch of shows, I realized the importance of going on other people's pods. Like, you can create a diverse group of guests for your podcast, and the only people that that will matter to are the people who already know who you are.

when you go to other people's place and you're like interrogated and I mean that in a good way the people who don't like you find out who you really are and then they go oh shit these guys are like reasonable dues and like

oh this is actually really smart and thoughtful and like he's a daddy like really loves his kid and he's not like some headline or soundbite that I see on the internet and then I create an idea about him based on that they're like fully formed human beings. I didn't realize the importance of that. And I think now it's like,

I need to go on my biggest detractors show as long as they're not like some fucking retard. But like, they might have an idea of me that's not fully formed. And then from us sitting down, I might go, yeah, I really like this guy. He's got some like good ideas. And that person might go, oh, wow, he's not as I thought he was.

And the only way that happens is if we're having these conversations outside of our podcasts. Yeah, that's one little thing I learned from this one. I'm sure there's like a million more to do, but it's one thing I recommend even for you guys as you guys continue to skyrocket. It's like, who can you have conversations with that are going to be hard?

And you can have them on yours, but that's going to be positioned away because people are just going to read the headline. But like how you go into their home and let them push back on ideas you have and then your ideas get even sharper. I love doing that. It's one of the reasons I do a lot of stuff

that's not with people who agree with me. I think it's great. It's awesome. Before Andrew answers a final question at the end of the interview, make sure to head over to our substack. The link is in the description where you'll be able to see this. What is a joke you thought would kill,

but completely bombed? If podcasting had existed at this level 20 years ago, which old-school comics do you think would have killed it the most in the format? I heard that you consider Seinfeld to be overrated. Are you insane? Andrew, yeah. It's been awesome having your man. Thanks so much, guys. Before we go to Substack and ask you questions from our viewers and listeners, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be? Right now?

One thing we're not talking about that we should be right now. Wow, that's a good... You know what? I... as like the story about anti-Semitism and like Jews and how big it is it on Twitter. Like even with Joe's episode with, I think Ian Carroll, was that the name, Ian Carroll? Yeah. Or no, no, no, Darrell Cooper was the other, was the other one. Like, for as big as the talk was about that. And Joe's the biggest pot in the, in the world.

Like, I would think it would be like Kanye numbers for the episode. You know, I would think it'd be like Elon level numbers to the episode. But it wasn't that big an episode, I mean, for our standards, it's huge, but like for Joe's standards. So what I would, what I'm curious about, what nobody's talking about is like, what are people thinking? Like, I actually think this is quite a small group of people that are talking about this on the internet and talking about on Twitter and making it seem like everybody cares about it. But I don't know if the numbers show that. What did it get? 700K?

Something like that. Yeah. Which for Joe is not high. at all because she's so successful. I did it a week earlier or a few days before I think my is at like 2.2 we're usually 1.6 1.5 something like that so it's like yeah but the talk comparatively is like probably half of those views of people have watched you hate watching that as well but so so think about that like so the way I would digest this is like wait a minute is this are you saying twitter is not real life no what we know of course that that absolutely but it's it's

more about like one thing I would say to Jews is like as big as it seems on Twitter, it's not actually reflective over the general population. Like they aren't as consumed by this as it looks like they are on Twitter, right? So that's one thing that we know like for a fact data wise. I know we talk about feelings, but like, and I don't want to like talk you out of your feelings, but maybe that's one thing that makes you feel a little bit more comfortable. Like there's a group of people that are on this platform that are really engaging with content and then creating content around it. But in terms of like overall interest in it, it doesn't seem like it is there as much as just some comedian that's going on Joe and having a conversation. So that's comforting

to me a little bit. Like if it was getting 40 million views, I'd go, oh, oh, no, bueno. Like, I would imagine, like, Candace talking about Justin Baldoni and Blake lively, got way more traction than her talking about his room. I don't know, but I guarantee, like, I have my wife going, have you watched Candace Owens thing on Justin Baldoni and Blake? Like, what? Like, she was like, this is unbelievable. You know what I mean? So it's like, so we can put that thing in perspective there. So if they aren't concerned about this, right? If it's not the lightning rod hot button topic, what is and what are people consuming and what is that thing that we really need to tap into? Like, I don't, I'm not sure right now.

But like, there's usually, there's usually a pull in a certain direction. When it was Trump for the election, it was obviously Trump, right? It was like, is this going to happen? What's going to happen? A few weeks ago was definitely like Elon and his involvement in government. That's kind of like moving away. And now we're just kind of like sitting here. And I don't know.

It's rare that I don't know. Like usually this is what I'm good at. He's a humble motherfucker. I'm very, very. humble. No, but like, this is usually what I can tap into. And even now, I was shocked when I went to go watch the episode.

And I was like, hmm, if I go on Twitter, it's the only conversation I see on Twitter. I'm going to go upstairs. I was like, huh, this is like. Well, this is the thing with the Twitter algorithm. Sorry, let me tell you that. It's the thing with social media algorithms, which is the crazy shit is what gets the attention.

Yes, yes. And maybe the thing we should be. be talking about is, is that good? And do we want to carry that on? Well, I think the conversation, here's a good conversation. How many people are letting the algorithm decide their opinions and how they create? I think that's very important. Like, there's a lot of people that are like spouting off about on different platforms that they might not even be aware. That's not even their opinion. they're desperate for attention. They created a video about a thing.

Randomly, it gets a lot of views. They start going, oh, shit. Maybe this is what I'm made to talk about. It's like, no, dummy, that's what the algorithm told you to make. And now you just, you were a slave to the algorithm. And it's like one thing I talk with my guys about, which is like, we're not stupid. We know how to just make every episode get a certain amount of things,

but then it wouldn't be authentic. and what's the point of creating online if we're not going to have an authentic opinion? Just get a job, CNN, Fox, someplace, and just have the opinion of the corporation. The cost of that is some episodes aren't going to do as well as other episodes. And that's just the cost you have to pay for.

Some people aren't willing to pay it. You start getting ad deals and you have to deliver this many views and then the ad companies going, hey, why didn't that episode hit? And you have to tell them, well, because we want to have authentic conversations and in order to do that,

some aren't going to go that crazy and some are going to go insane. But I think there's a lot of creation that is algorithm dependent. And we're like taking people's advice that don't even believe what they're saying. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly what you mean.

It comes back to what we were talking in the episode about, which is it's just business. Yeah. There are a lot of people who media is just business, and they will say whatever the fuck. There's a lot of people when Israel Palestine started that got some views off it, and then that's become their whole identity. Never talked about it once.

They've been in media for decades. Never talking about it once. Million views on a video. That is who I am. Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about it. If you are in media and you're talking about what's happening in the world, you absolutely should talk about this 100%. But how much is it like an algorithm chase? That's, I would be, and then if you are somebody who's deeply affected by what's happening in Israel, Palestine, I would also be wary of all the people that you support that are supporting you, because that support might go away once those views go away.

Oh, absolutely. And you see that before Israel, Palestine, it was, you know, the trans, where the trans debate, where if you wanted a million views, you just got, you know, someone would come on, say men on, men can't be women. And what a great time that was for drinking on me. Yeah, it was. That's how we built the platform. It was. It was beautiful. Thanks for coming on, man. Cheers, guys. Head on over to Substack. We're going to ask Andrew your questions. See you there.

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