TRIGGERnometry - Belfast Riots & Migrant Stabbing Live Reaction with Peter Bleksley and Patrick Christys

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

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We are going to be talking live about not just a terrible event in Belfast a few days ago, but I think it's fair to say the series of terrible events occurring there over the last few days. We are joined, I'm delighted to say, by two of our former guests who both need very little introduction, former Scotland Yard detective Peter Blacksley and of course, G.B News TV presenter, Patrick Christus, welcome to you both. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. First of all, Peter, for people who are catching up on the story and the different points in it, as I alluded to in the introduction. Can you tell us what happened and what has been happening in Belfast over the last few days?

Certainly. On Monday night, a vicious assault took place in Belfast, the capital city of Northern Ireland, but somebody has been charged with that assault, so I am therefore forbidden by law from saying very much more about it, other than to say the alleged victim is a local man from Belfast and the alleged perpetrator who has been charged, we know, is a man of Sudanese origin, who entered Ireland by flying in from Paris. He then travelled from Dublin up into Northern Ireland, which is, of course, part of the UK, where he apparently made an application for asylum, which was fast-tracked and granted to him. And the news is broken today that the man who has been charged,

apparently used to be a police officer in war-torn Sudan. Wow. One second, sir, Francis. And can you tell us more about also the disorder that we have seen in response to this event? Yes, as a result of that, and as news filtered out before this man had been charged, there was a lot of footage of the crime circulating on social media, and it was vile to what, and feelings were clearly running very high. People took to the street and it ended up with three consecutive nights of rioting. People burning buses, cars, properties, dreadful scenes,

unacceptable and unforgivable, but many commentators from Belfast saying that there was a racist element to some of what was going on, that apparently people with black and brown faces were being chased out of homes as such like. I'm yet to see anything that actually confirms that, but that's been circulating widely. And of course, nobody likes to see Britain burn, whatever part of Britain it is. But unfortunately, I fear,

if things keep carrying on the way that they are in relation to unfettered, uncontrolled migration, and all of the other matters around that, then I've got a heartfelt fear that other parts of Britain are going to burn this summer. as well. And Patrick, this response that we saw was incredibly angry. And we've seen protests happening in Ireland as well. Obviously it's happened in Northern Ireland. We saw protests happening in the Republican Ireland. Why is immigration such a hot button issue in Northern Ireland and the

Republic itself? Well, there's loads of different reasons. I mean, firstly, there seems to be a burning injustice that we have the highest tax burden since World War II. And then you have you have to look at where some of that money is going. You know, a lot of people who go out and work every day and work hard and abide by the law can't afford basic things in societies. It's prohibitively expensive for them to get on the property ladder. They can't afford rent. They go to the shops and they think, goodness gracious me, this shop is costing me a lot more than it used to.

All of this stuff, you know, it feels like being clamped down. Gosh, you know, I can't afford to have another child, all of that kind of stuff. And then you see a lot of people coming over and being given absolutely everything for free. Now, when it comes to this specific case in Northern Ireland, What's been happening in Northern Ireland is they actually closed a lot of migrant hotels. And then they seeded them out into various different, mostly working class communities in council estates, etc. And gave them HMOs or their own flats. And that is actually something that this Labour government is currently doing now here in England,

where I'm broadcasting from at the minute. And it's a recipe for disaster because there's no security at these places. And they're free to roam the local community. And Peter was right about basically everything he said. I mean, I absolutely love Peter. to have him on my show all the time. There is some really interesting details, though, about this guy,

which is that initially it was reported by the police that he was Somali. Then they reported that he was Sudanese. Then they reported last night that actually he was born and raised in Saudi Arabia and moved to Sudan. It was initially reported that he got a flight directly

from Khartoum to Paris and then Paris to Dublin and got a bus across. Now it's been reported that actually what happened was that he travelled across land in Africa to Libya and got a boat to.

across the Mediterranean, somehow made it to Paris, and then flew in from Paris. By the way, he's been joined by his two brothers. Now, look, the point there is, we don't have a flipping clue who these people are, do we? We don't really know where they're from. We don't really know what their past is. We don't really know if they are who they say they are. In this case perfectly exemplifies that. And the reason why we've got the anger, I think, is that time and time again, people have voted against this stuff. Time and time again, people have said, look, we feel so, so unsafe. and politicians are just ignoring it and the political reaction in the immediate wake of this with the first minister of northern ireland michelle o'neill was asked a question by one of our reporters

about well you know basically why do you keep letting this stuff happen and she said today's not about that today is about what an inclusive and welcoming society we are as they were literally cleaning this poor bloke's blood off the pavement outside and then she caught herself and went it's also about the victim it's also about the victim and it just told me a lot about the psychology of the people in positions of power. And it is a real shock. The other anger, sorry to prattle on here, but it's important this. The other anger is they're not doing anything about it. So at less than 24 hours after it emerged, that this guy had taken this route from Dublin by bus into Northern Ireland, I was able to find TikTok accounts advertising that route,

still running, guaranteeing people's success. A journalist from the Daily Telegraph got on one of these buses from Dublin to Northern Ireland and wrote about it in the morning's telegraph and there were illegal immigrants on his bus and they weren't checked when they went across the border and apparently the illegal immigrant got off and asked the journalist how do I get to the asylum processing centre and he would have thought 48 hours after a bloke bless him has you know nearly lost his face in his head in the street because of this stuff you would have thought that the authorities would actually make a stand and clamp down on this but they're not because they don't care so people get very angry about it and how much of this is the

authorities ignoring it. And how much of this is about the border, Patrick, because there is effectively an open border from the Republic of Ireland to Northern Ireland. So all these illegal immigrants, they can just stream freely. They can land in the Republic and make their way north, can't they? Yeah. So there's currently around 33,000 asylum seekers granted asylum in the Republic of Ireland, who are living in accommodation, taxpayer-funded accommodation. And now, what the Republic of has started doing is that they have rejected roughly 81% of asylum claims in the last year, but they don't deport them. So what that means is that anyone who gets rejected by the Republic of Ireland knows that they can just get on a bus and go from anywhere in the Republic of

Ireland across the border into Northern Ireland. And what we have done is, this has been going on for years, we have deported one person from, which begs the question, what the heck did that guy do, to be fair, but we deported. He must have been like the worst, the worst bloke ever. I mean, you know, but either that or very unlucky, Patrick, either that or very unlucky, you know. But this is it, this is it. It is guaranteed. So these human traffickers, if you even want to call them that, they're more like travel agents.

It's a travel agency. They are, they are absolutely correct when they tell these people, we can get you 100% access into the United Kingdom. They're sparn about it. Peter, and I want to ask you with your policing expertise and background, obviously, do you think part of the reason the politicians say the stupid things that Patrick just outlined whenever anything like this happens is the reality is that if you have the sort of open border that he's talking about, people like you who put on the uniform and try and go and stop crime

from happening, you just can't deal with it because it's adds a massive workload. and if you don't know who people are and you can't control for certain qualities to make sure you reduce the probability of them committing these sorts of attacks, well, then the police are simply going to be picking up the pieces time and again. Well, I'll tackle the politicians first. Let's look at who's in charge, who runs the UK at the moment. Left-leaning, socialist, call themselves progressive, woke, liberal idiots who are in charge. And they won't do anything because it sticks in the back of their. mouths to really grip the whole immigration issue. Can you see any of those in charge at the moment rounding people up in their thousands who don't deserve to be in the UK and shipping them out on boats, trucks, airplanes, whatever means necessary? No, you will not see it, but that

is what the British people actually want. And in fairness to the British people, it's what they need in order to try and make this place a bit safer because so many illegal migrants coming into this country are committing vicious, vile, disgusting crimes. Rest in peace, Rianne and White and bless all the other victims that have been created by this utter, utter lunacy. Now we go on to policing. Well, senior police chiefs in the UK these days are as woke and as fluffy and has left and as liberal and progressive as the rancid politicians are. We've seen all this because it's come to light very recently, particularly with the tragic Henry Novak murder,

when it's all been laid bare, race action plans, inequality of outcomes. These are the brainwashing that's being carried out on British police officers so that policing is not done fairly, it's not done without fear or favour, It's done in favour of particular minority groups. So consequently, police officers are scared to police people who have got black and brown faces

because to be tarnished or have a completely false accusation of racism made against you would be career ending, if not very, very damaging to a police career in 2026. That's the dreadful state we're in. And Patrick, I want to ask you to piggyback a little bit of what Peter is talking about there, because he says, you know, our politicians who run the country now, these left-wing, progressive, woke, etc. But this guy came in during a conservative government.

And in fact, a huge amount of illegal immigration happened during the previous conservative government. So isn't it even worse than what he's saying there? Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, the conservatives are quite a huge amount to. account for here. Obviously, if Sajid Javid had turned the first boat back in the channel when he was Home Secretary, I really don't think we'd be in this position, but he didn't do that, obviously. The government also went to court to get an injunction out to stop any of us here, reporting on the importation of Afghan asylum seekers fleeing the Taliban a while ago. Several thousand of those

arrived, and we were supposedly not allowed to report on that. The only reason that ever really came to light is because shock horror, some of them went on to commit heinous crimes. And it turned out that we might have imported relatives of the Taliban, which no one could have seen coming, could they? And also it came to like genuinely, in one part of the world, I think it might have been around the Basingstoke area, but don't quite me on that, where the locals started to go, why are there so many Afghans?

And then it was like, and then it just emerged. Oh, well, that's because we've secretly imported loads of them. So that was under the Tories. This guy was fast-tracked. I mean, apparently, apparently he left Khartoum in Sudan, like two months before the fighting. So, I mean, again, the question mark there is. is he even an asylum seeker but he got fast-tracked we saw underneath the conservative rule as well that people who were working in the home office when they were dealing with asylum applications

were told just to prove everybody from certain countries like Afghanistan or like Eritrea even if in the case of one bloke he'd been arrested several times for exposing himself in a children's playground that guy got waived through so the conservatives have a huge amount to answer for here there can be no doubt about that specific about Ireland, though, there is an interesting thing about the Rwanda plan, because you can go online and you can see this. People started to make little documentaries about it. The illegal migrants that had made their way to Northern Ireland had started going back to the Republic of Ireland when they thought they were going to be deported to Rwanda. And then Tent City started popping up around Dublin

and a few other places in Ireland. And they did interviews with them and they said, why are you here? And they said, we don't want to go to Rwanda. Well, now the Rwanda scheme has been scrapped. And look, I don't think the Rwanda scheme was a silver bullet. Don't get me wrong. But clearly it was having some form of impact there. That's gone. So now it is a complete free-for-all. So yeah, look, I mean, the conservatives, as far as Anka said, they didn't conserve anything, did they? And they've got, they are to blame for a huge amount of the situation we find ourselves in. But to Peter's point about this Labor government, you know, there's a lie from Kirstama, smash the gangs. We're not smashing the gangs. You can find them on TikTok, mate. I mean, the response to this

attempted for heading in the street was to try to limit all of our access to social media so that we can't see these clips. There's been no attempt that I can see to limit the use of social media by human traffickers to bring illegal migrants into the UK. So, you know, there's the lies about smashing the gangs, that there's all of that stuff. And Kirstama is a lifelong human rights lawyer who signed an anti-deportation letter to block a load of Jamaican criminals being sent back to Jamaica. He did it with a load of the Labour MPs. One of those blocs went on to kill a man with a machete in the street. And Kirstarmer's never apologised for that. We know what his politics are. He is not going to suddenly start announcing mass deportations.

He's not going to suddenly start clamping down on what's going on at the borders. And I mean, last night, arguably the most famous migrant hotel in Britain, the Bell Hotel, the one in Epic, where they were taken out of there, which is like, okay, a cause for celebration in a way for the locals who get their hotel back, but those people aren't being deported. They're just going to be moved to houses and multiple occupancy. So they're just going to be moved like next door. And, and then, are going to be no security. And this is where the government's at.

They think that all we want is to have our hotels back. Well, it would be nice to have the holiday in back in Maidenhead or somewhere. But really, what we want is those people gone. Because they shouldn't be here. We don't want them moved in to get to my grandma. And Patrick, when you look at, because we had you on trigonometry, and it was a brilliant episode, and it went incredibly well. But when I was listening to what you were saying,

I just got really, I actually felt really sad because at the core of what you're talking about, it's a government that doesn't prioritize its own citizens and prioritises these people. And that is just deeply morally wrong, isn't it? Yeah, it is. And actually, there is, again, to go back to the Bell Hotel, when the local council there took the government to court over the asylum seeker hotel situation, they wanted to close it, the government literally aren't. argued in court that the rights of asylum seekers outweigh the rights of local. So we know that that's what happens.

They won that court case as well. They won that court case. So they argued and won based in par on the idea that the rights of asylum seekers outweigh the rights of local people in this country of British nationals. And when you look around at what's happening now, we've got youth unemployment of something like 16.2%. We've got unemployment more broadly about 5%. I think it's probably higher than that in reality.

What's Rachel Reeves decided to do? She's decided to incentivise firms to hire foreign workers by giving them £5,000 in cash for each foreign worker that they hire. We've had non-EU migrants, 27 non-EU migrants offered jobs in the UK for every one resident Brit. And there's all of this stuff that goes on. It's not just the priority of illegal migrants and the preferential treatment that they get. It's the legal side of it as well. And it just seems to absolutely, absolutely beg a belief what's going on here.

And at the same time, it's the demonisation of people who actually are patriotic. But you look at what's going on at the minute. You know, yesterday, Kirstarma lost his defence secretary and lost his armed forces minister because they basically said, we are defenceless and you are not doing anything to keep the British public, all members of the armed forces safe. So what's Kirstama doing? He's pressing ahead with prosecuting members of our armed forces for things that they probably didn't do in Northern Ireland years ago. He's ignoring all of those people.

And if it does all kick off, who is he going to rely on to fight? It's going to be those working class lads from places like Carlisle, from places like rung corn, from places like Dagenham or whatever, those same blokes who've been hanging Union Jacks or St. George's crosses up from their windows, the same people that he's been calling a racist. he's going to be relying on those lives to actually fight for our country. And then maybe he's going to get a bit of a wake-c-call and think, actually these are the people that we should be prioritising, not someone who has literally just come over here from Sudan or Eritrea. I mean, we've got local councils doing free DJ classes for illegal migrants in places like Croydon,

free gym memberships. You can go to the football in Brighton for free if you're illegal money. I can't do any of that stuff for free. It's just mad. Peter, we can't keep going down this path because resentment and anger are going to build. We're in the summer months. Traditionally, that's when riots happen. It could be the case that the police start to lose control, don't they?

I was in Liverpool on Tuesday night because of work. And I heard a lot of police sirens. So I followed the cars and they stopped about 100 metres from the hotel where I was staying. What had happened was a crowd had gathered of people. about 200 people, some were union jack flags, only a couple with face coverings. They gathered outside a migrant hotel, the Regency in Hatt and Garden in Liverpool, not the Hatt and Garden in London. And there was a lot of anger, resentment at the occupants of this migrant hotel that had taken over at the hotel, that one fellow came up to me, he said, Peter, I got married in that

hotel five years ago and it was beautiful he said take a look at it now the police found many many officers to mobilize to blockade to the front of the hotel and they were there for some considerable time before the crowd dispersed but speaking of people there I was hearing horror stories about other parts of Liverpool in particular an area called Kensington in Liverpool once again not to be confused with a Kensington in London stories of HMOs Huge numbers of migrants. Some of the criminal offences that I was told about

are so disgusting that I'm not even going to repeat them here. But when I said, did the victims report these crimes to the police? They were saying no, because if we've reported to the police, my dad might find out, and I'm too scared what my dad will do by way of retribution. And I don't want my dad to go to prison. Now, of course, I can't condone that any possible retribution at all. But that's how people are thinking. So their area is changed beyond recognition and not for the better.

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They want to suppress political discussion of these issues. And the problem that I have with that even forget about that it's morally wrong. It's also just going to make this worse, isn't it, Peter? Long live trigonometry and long live GB News because at least we've got some platforms where people are fearless and they will tell the truth. The country is in an appalling state

and I don't say it with the aim of trying to incite people I say it because my heart breaks feelings are running so incredibly high people have actually had enough They are seeing the face of their nation change in front of them and the politicians keep allowing it to happen. What actually is needed if this disquiet is going to be,

if this disquiet is going to be calmed in any way, shape or form, we actually need a Donald Trump-esque ice type rounding up of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people who have absolutely no right to be here, who are not contributing to the UK in any way, shape or form, and they need putting on planes, trucks and boats, and shifted out of here. That is what it will take.

The problem is, Patrick, is that mayn very well be true, but we're a million miles from that. We don't even have a border. Let's be honest. We're a country without a border. That's like saying to somebody, you've got to do your A-levels, and you're going, mate, he's two years old.

You can't even talk yet. I know. It's staggering, isn't it? And just on that as well, I was thinking of whilst Peter was talking about, we've seen these flashpoints recently. I know, we've all said it. We all know. I don't condemn people going door to door and torture people's houses.

It's a shame that that needs to be said, but I don't know that stuff. But when you think about it, we didn't have riots after 7-7. We didn't have riots after Westminster Bridge terror attack, We didn't have riots after the London Bridge Terror attacks, after the Manchester Arena bombing. In fact, we didn't look back in anger there, did we, famously? We didn't have riots after the synagogue attack recently in Manchester. I could go on and on and on.

We didn't have riots after an Iranian and two Egyptian men were put up in a migrant hotel, small boat migrants, that literally the picture of the migrant hotel has a red carpet outside the front of it and a spa. You could not make this up with four-posts of beds with the old old kind of, you know, kind of sheets. But that, that raped a girl on Brighton Beach and described in court, when they were asked if they knew the difference between what, what, what, what,

rape and sex was, he just said, rape is sex. You know, we were no riots after all of this stuff. I really resent the idea that now because it's kicked off in a, in quite a working class part of Northern Ireland, and because it kicked off a little bit in a working class area of Southampton and what we saw Southampton and what we saw after Southport, sorry, that we are now this horrible nation of virulent violent racists. We have been actually really bloody tolerant for an incredibly long period of time in this country, and I am not condoning anyone going out and doing this stuff.

But if politicians can't get it into their heads as to why people have got so angry and why it's got to boiling point, why we've ended up in a powder egg situation, then the problem is going to get worse and constant, you are spot on. I think for all those people on the left that are going, oh, you're stirring it up, aren't you? Oh, but we're the ones trying to stop this. You can diagnose the problem and you can come up with a solution to the problem and you can do your best to stop it from happening again. And if something terrible does happen, come out to the public, say, look, we understand your concerns. We're sorry about this. We're going to take a step to do this.

Don't come out and talk to me about diversity and inclusion and say, oh, actually, it's all right, actually, that this bloat nearly lost his head in Belfast because you know the person who's treating him in hospital. They're probably a migrant as well, which is literally what was said on Sky News. It's absolutely bonkers this stuff. And, you know, we have been very patient. We have been, I think, very reasonable as a country. But we have consistently voted for the opposite of what's going on here. And we are not doing well economically as well, which really sticks the knife for one of a better phrase.

And now we are in a powder-de-keg situation. And these politicians will be better to stop trying to chastise us for our language, like we saw in the House of Commons, where someone said, look, do we want to stop importing these alien culture? and Hillary Ben said, oh, what do you mean by alien cultures, just clutching his pearls? You know what we mean by alien cultures? We mean things like child marriage, FGM and beheadings in the street. That's kind of what we mean, really. Well, isn't this exactly the point, Patrick?

Isn't this exactly the point that I think a big part of the reason this debate has never got become, never got solved in some way is that I think the people who are pro open borders on and everything else, like immigrants are all the same in their head so they think that like to let a bunch of Ukrainians in fleeing war is the same if you do that you also then have to let a bunch of people from Sudan and without vetting them that are coming here illegally and in their brain that is like the same thing and so they can't separate one from the other because then you would have to concede that some cultures are better than others right you would have to accept that some people even forget forget about the moralizing forget the better or worse framing let's just

say some cultures are like this and some cultures are like that and we might want some of these people but we may not want some of these people and if you say that then the whole edifice comes down like a house of cards 100% accurate this is it some cultures are better than others i'll just say it you might as well add the other kicker to that constantly which is at the same time as they're gaslighting us by saying that every single culture in the world is equal. They're also telling us that ours is rubbish and we are the sort of all evil blocs that look like me. Me personally, me personally, I used to own slaves. Did I? Yeah, all right. Well, I mean, I'm half Greek, Cypriot and half Republic of Irish. It's kind of two different groups of

peasant, really. I don't think we owned anyone. We didn't really own anything, to be honest. You probably were slaves a lot of the time yourselves. We were the slaves. Yeah. But anyway, this is yeah and and this is this is this is part of the issue uh really and and again it's a fundamental misunderstanding when they go oh well you were all right with the ukrainian refugees well yeah we were because they were almost entirely pretty much um women and children and we could literally see the horrific war that was taking place and i think i'm right in saying this if you asked them like the over one majority want to go home they'd like would like would like to stop being bombed by Putin and then they'd like to go home whereas what we are seeing now is is again it's a travel

agency for people from the third world who actually just want to come here and claim benefits that there is a case going on in the republic of island at the moment actually of a moroccan or tunisian man who is in court accused of stabbing nursery school children and and apparently he was in the country for about 20 odd years and from what i can gather there's no real indication that he ever had a job in that time this is just another one of those examples isn't it why are we like a breadbasket for people from the third world to come to just live at our expense and potentially commit commit heinous crimes. But the inability of our politicians to admit that certain cultures are better than others

is frankly, it's ridiculous. It's also a lie. And the thing for them now is that they've lost all grounds. Like when people say this stuff, like all cultures are the same, that what is just ridicule them, just ridicule them because they don't honestly believe it, do they? And they don't honestly believe it because you can look the way they choose to live their lives as well. Who do they surround themselves with?

Where do they choose to live? Where do they choose to go on holiday? They are not going on holiday, are they, to places like Sudan or Eritrea or Somalia, which you can do if you want. And one of the reasons they don't do that is because they don't like the culture. And Peter, one of the people who get caught in the crossfire of all of this are the police. And I have a lot of empathy for the police because this isn't their fault. A riot starts, they have to go in, and time after time, they're asked to deal with this and clean up after the terrible policies that our politicians have inflicted upon the country.

Believe you me, standing behind a shield, having bricks and petrol bombs thrown at you, is a very unpleasant experience. And I absolutely condemn anybody that wants to do that. That's what you sign up for when you sign on the dotted line. It's interesting, though, that already numbers of police officers were mobilised to go out to Belfast from other parts of the UK. The police do seem to be able to mobilize huge numbers of officers and find the money to do that whenever it suits them or whenever it suits the politicians. But they don't seem to be able to mobilize in huge numbers in order to deploy on areas where there is shocking levels of knife crime and stop and search, you know, anybody that, there is some justification for that. Yeah, very convenient.

When they see fit or when their political masters tell them, they can turn out in their thousands. But when shops are getting looted, high streets are getting pillaged, and knives are being carried freely, where are they? Can't fire them. And this is a real problem, Peter, because it's really important that the public respect the police, and trust the police. But in the wake of the horrific details of the Henry Novak case

and previously what has been leaked about the police, that is simply disappearing and it's putting them in real danger, isn't it? Yes, it is. And it's very gloomy, from my perspective. The public trust and confidence

in the police is tanking, but it's hardly surprising. They've retreated to their fortress-like police stations. They don't investigate the crimes that affect everyday men and women anymore, like burglary, car crime and that kind of stuff. Oh, here's your reference number. Now go and report it to your insurance company.

So they're not connected with the public in that kind of way. The public had very little, very little trust and confidence in them, certainly the people that I speak to. And it's depressing. I could go on all night as to the reasons why. But basically, the police, unfortunately now are not the public, like they used to be, like Robert Peel said they should be. The police are the public and the public are the police. There's a huge divide.

The police have picked their side and they've gone over to being a woke, fluffy, liberal, progressive kind of service rather than a false. And the people are not forgiven them for that. Well, you say the police, Peter, but hold on a second. Surely you mean the people at the top, right? I don't think the normal cop on the ground is on board with any of this crab. Do you? Oh, some of them are. Well, unfortunately, many of the, you're absolutely right to pull me up on that.

There are some brilliant men and women serving on the front line, but so many of them, and I hear stories on an almost daily basis, they're afraid to stop and search people of color, because if you get an allegation of racism made against you, that will be investigated. it could damage or end your career. They are being subjected to this lunatic brainwashing DEI race action plan training which deliberately wants different outcomes according to different demographics,

which of course flies in the face of policing without fear or favour. And consequently, they have to impose, excuse me, they have to impose what they're taught. And when they do it, it drives that wedge that makes them in the public even further apart. People who would, their natural default position would have been to like and respect the police are sadly turning away from them in their droves.

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Now, if you look at the head of Chief of Police in Hampshire in the Isle of W, he used to be at the map. Now, the armed police shot a gangland trigger man called Chris Cabber, who had shot a man in a nightclub and then tried to drive his car at armed police officers before they shot him dead. The Met then charged, well, the CPS, along with the Met, then charged the armed police officer with murder and made him stand at trial. The head of Hampshire, the now head of Hampshire Police, was at the Met at the time, and he released a video, and it was this groveling apology to the family of Chris Caber.

was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I can't imagine what you're going through. Anyway, a jury found this copper not guilty in the space of about two hours. The public had already decided this guy was not guilty. And then by the time we saw the CCTV after the trial, we were like, how the flipping head did this ever go to court? Anyway, that same police officer is in charge of Hampshire police now. And in the wake of Henry Novak's murder and the subsequent police inaction that took place there, that in my view, I can't say that that also killed him, but it certainly didn't

help matters did it um he had to have an apology of sorts dragged out from him kicking and screaming three of those officers are still on duty apparently he said yeah oh yeah we'd understand that it was a a difficult situation and all this so you've got that two-tier aspects of it there and the british public look at that and what do we see we see where uh there was the potential for some tension amongst the black community still kind of quite pet after the whole BLM movement uh as well and he went out and tried to get in front of that by just issuing a groveling apology and helping to charge a police officer with murder. But then when it comes to Henry Nova, it was obviously Polish, but also, you know, white, and there was a bit of a frackard there about the idea of this kind of anti-white

racism that seems to have infected a lot of our institutions at the moment. He just doesn't give a toss, does he? And this is the thing, it's so annoying for the British public. The other thing is, I am worried that now more and more police officers have gone through university. Now, I, I people all know better than I do, but I am of the view that we do not need a lot of our police officers to go to university. Because what happens at university? You know, you get, again, kind of indoctrinated by this woke mind virus. So you go through the education system until you're 18 years old, where you're being taught all sorts of happy stuff, and then you go to university where, you know, you're basically being force-fed, Green Party propaganda and all of this and anti-British wokeery. And then you go

and join the police force. And then at the police force, you're infected with it as well. Hampshire police, they made their police officers do three mandatory racial bias programs whilst they were out on the beat. So what chance do these police officers have some of them, really? I do think there needs to be a bit of a change there. And maybe we need to start deliberately recruiting more police officers. You haven't had the opportunity to be indoctrinated at Britain's universities. And Patrick, if we look at it on a macro level, what we're really talking about is the disintegration of the social fabric, isn't it? Really. 100% well the social contract has completely gone hasn't it now and it's the idea that if you go out and you work hard and you abide by the law and you do everything right and you love your country and you look after your family and all of that stuff that really everything else will kind of be taken care of you've upheld your side of the bargain well if you look around now we have decriminalised shoplifting essentially there's a Tesco express just around the corner from where I live that has a shoplifting quota for the day so quite often when I finish work it's shut

because too many people have nicked stuff. You walk into a shop now, see people filling their bags. Why are we paying for that? You can't get a pothole fixed on your road, but of course, you know, they can refurbish flats for asylum seekers. There are around 50 different local authorities that we here at GB News Uncovered that had signed up or at least expressed an interest in refurbishing or purchasing brand new council houses only for asylum seekers and refugees.

Not for the young single mum, not for the homeless military veteran, not for, you know, people who've fallen on hard times, you know, fault of their own or whatever. The woman fleeing domestic violence who's had to get out of her family at home. No, not for that, for people who've just arrived here. That is a visible sign of the social contract being completely necessarily broken.

Again, you know, when you look at things like basic safety, I mean, I'm looking around nurseries now for my son is nine months old. You know, we're looking around or we're just saying it's a nursery. And it is absolutely bleak that we are going around nurseries, looking at how big is the fence do they have barbed wire on it do you ever take them do you ever take them outside is it like just a kind of very well-meaning you know very often kind of female middle-aged nursery school worker that's in charge taking like 15 infants to a local park well can't really take

him to the local park can we because what if there's a lunatic with a knife there you know and i and it's it's just it's just absolutely it's absolutely bonkers when you think about you know i went into spec savers the other day because I think I need glasses. Obviously, it'd be weird if I was in there for anything else. And I was the first thing they asked me is, what benefits you are? And I was on benefits. And then I just realized if I was on benefit, those glasses that I might have to pay 300 quid for, I could just get. And it's like, what are we doing all of this for is the tearing away of the social fabric and the social contracts in this country. And then at the same time, we're being asked to pay more and more. And that was revealed in Pat McFadden, or Labor Ministers,

leaked messages with Peter Mandelson. Of course, the world's most notorious Peter Files made that was our US ambassador for a while. In that, he said all of the conversations that Labour Backbenchers have now is who can we tax more so that we can give more away in benefits? That's not social contracts, is it? Why are we doing this? You know, what are we doing this for? It's ridiculous. And the knock-on effects of that is obviously, as people leaving, good people, leaving this country of ours and that is a real shame. Peter, and I want to go back to a very good point you made earlier because one thing that constitutionally I really struggle with doing

and it's not always served me well in personal relationships, nonetheless, I can't swallow lies that I'm supposed to pretend the truth. And you were talking so powerfully about all of this DEI stuff. And the thing that really strikes me as just the highest level of dishonesty that I've seen for a very long time, is that having spent at least a decade being told that because different groups in history have been treated in a different way, we now need to treat some groups in a different way to compensate for the terrible things that happened in the past. That was what we were told. Now you can agree with it, you can disagree with it. Now that that is

literally what is happening, the thing they said needed to happen, we needed to treat some groups differently that's happening people say we have two-tier policing we have two-tier politics we have two-tier judiciary we have two-tier this two-tier that those people have then told no no no no you're lying you're making this up when they just said for 10 years that's what we need and that's what they wanted and they put it into the college of policing and then they put it into the police and now that it's happening in the real world they're going no no there's no two-tier policing as if that wasn't what they claimed they wanted all along The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Many years ago during my period of policing, and I've been honest about this, at some considerable cost, I've been vilified and abused and all sorts of stuff. There was some dreadful things that happened to young black men at the hands of police officers. They were fitted up, they were beaten up, and that, of course, was appalling.

It kind of led to the 19th. 1981 riots in Brixton and I was there that Friday afternoon and saw it all unfolding. But of course Lord Scarman did a report and the best thing to come out of the Brixton riots was the Police and Criminal Evidence Act of 1984, which at the stroke of a pen outlawed so much of which had been wrong and had caused so much disquiet. The current generation of senior police and their predecessors have been over backwards to try and write the wrongs of previous generations of policing. And so they've gone completely full-scale nuclear woke as a result of it. And they've tried to reach out and treat people

differently and consequently unfairly. It's all in an effort to appease and it's been utterly unnecessary. the pendulum has swung so, so far that it needs to be brought back to the middle ground where common sense applies, where people will be policed fairly, equally, without any kind of favour for any particular group, but it's going to be led politically for that to happen, because the police so often follow the politics. And we need the politics to bring that pendulum back towards the sensible centre ground from where it currently lives. One of the things, you've just mentioned the sensible centre, I mean, you look at, I mean, the Labour Party effectively,

I mean, they're dead, they're in power, but they're dead. The Conservatives Party aren't in much better health. It's going to be essentially populism all the way down, isn't it, Peter, from here on in? Yeah, I think you will do, but if populism delivers, what people actually want and is therefore popular, will that be a bad thing? People are desperate for change in this country. So much of what Patrick so brilliantly lays bare

about hard work in Britons and the dreadful state of the UK and being asked what benefits you're on when you go to spec savers. By the way, Patrick, you can also get hearing aids in spec savers. I don't have any, and I'm not being paid by spec savers, but I just thought I'm throwing it.

Yeah, the country's in an absolute apocalyptic mess. It's so appalling that once again, to kind of go back to what I said at the top of the show, I really fear that there will be widespread outbreaks of violence, and I really don't want to see it. But if the politicians keep gaslighting us, if they keep lying to us, if they keep pushing the whole multiculturalism,

Oh, you know, beads in our air kind of nonsense. People are going to get very, very short-tempered, I'm afraid. And Patrick, I was going to say, come on, jump in. Oh, thank you. Sorry, guys. Just on this, because we've spoken a lot about the DEI and policing and the social contracts and all of that. I've just got a quick point here, which is, where does this end, right? Because we know that the worth performing people in British schools are white working class boys. Yet we have loads of different diversity schemes at things like top law firms, top accountancy firms, universities that white people basically cannot apply for.

White working class or white middle class people cannot apply for. In fact, there's only one university in Britain, which unbelievably is in Bradford, where specifically white working class boys can only apply for a particular scholarship. And if we look at the demographics in schools, we look at the demographics that were released earlier on as well about parts of Britain where children are not speaking English, as a first language. I just wonder, you know, where does this end? At what point will we stop with things like DEI schemes? Will we stop with things like unconscious bias training? Is it when the general demographics of the country get to it being minority white British? Is that is that the point? Is that is that it? I don't know. And that's one thing that I think really, really, really, really winds people up. We see these flashpoints that we've seen in Northern Ireland, like we see after Henry Novel, like we see after Southport. But actually, there's this kind of constant low-lying thing,

which is that if the kind of, I'm just going to say, kind of speak very loosely here, and I say indigenous population, I'm going to kind of jump on that phrase. But I hope people know I mean. The indigenous population feel as though they are being actively disadvantaged when it comes to things like jobs, access to universities, and just in day-to-day life. That is an incredibly dangerous situation for people to be it.

And they can't lie to us anymore and say, it isn't happening. If white working-class boys were performing as badly as they are, but they weren't white, they would have, there would be entire government policies about this right now, but there's not. And I just don't know at what point does it end? Is it when we look around and actually Brits are a minority in their own country? It's got nothing to do with race. I mean, as in just actual British nationals, people who were born here are a minority in their own country. Is that when we draw the line, is it? Because it's going to have to come at some point. Well, it's a really important point and not enough people talk about this and that stat is heartbreaking by the way.

And it's accurate. I remember when I was teaching, I was horrified that nobody spoke about this. And look, I'm going to sound as if I'm banging a drum here. But it's because there in this country there is an absolute sneering attitude to white working class people but particularly white working class men. and boys, the ruling establishment hold those people in absolute contempt and they don't care about them, is my personal take on it. Well, yeah, and the thing with it is, is like, if that was applied to any other group, it would be bad, and it's bad when it's applied to white working class boys. Can we just not say it's bad to discriminate against certain groups based on ethnicity and religion and so on? and we don't want it to be happening to anybody.

So please don't tell us that advantaging this group reverses something in the past because all you're then going to do is flip the scales the other way. And now everyone's angry again instead of just having what Peter talked about, which is policing and everything else without fear of favor,

which by the way is one of the great inventions of Britain and the rest of the Western world, which is not really even remotely imitated elsewhere. I mean, if you live in many other parts of the world, there's a clear racial horror. Everybody knows who is who and where they are in that position. And I don't really think that that's what we want in Britain. I thought that was one of its best qualities that that was not the way we did things.

You know, as we're running towards the end of the show, it just strikes me that I had a bit of a, like, out-of-body experience while we were talking here. And I just looked down almost on what we're talking about. And I look at the fact, right? We're talking about a number of riots in a small number of years. years. It's basically a riot every summer now, effectively, right, over some horrible atrocity that happens. We're talking about people feeling unsafe. We're talking about a completely unsustainable economic model where we spend so much on wealth and so much on looking after people who are not even British that we can't afford to pay off the interest on the debt.

Forget about the debt, right? You put all that together. I mean, I hate saying this, but if you were reporting on a country in the Middle East on sub-Saharan Africa and saying they've got constant riots, people are feeling unsafe, the economy's in the kind of condition that we're talking about. You go, that's a third world country and it's got third world problems. Is that what we're talking about? This spring, denim gets a softer, lighter update. Introducing old Navy's drapey denim wide leg, a new fit that moves with you. It's everything you want denim to feel like for summer. Easy, breathable and effortlessly cool. With a fit that creates natural movement and a wide leg that feels modern, not overwhelming. Plus, that signature, wait, for this price, moment.

Old Navy's drapey denim wide leg. Can I come in there, please? Francis, when you talk about white working class men and minorities, I grew up in a flat with my single month, I left school at 16, I've lived in London all my life, that is me. I am a white working class bloke, but I've worked very hard for 50 years, so I might have the trapings of a middle class life, whatever that is, so be it, I as a white Londoner, am already a minority in my home city. And I find that deeply, deeply disturbing, disturbing, just to talk about Patrick's social contract, if you've got a pub at the end of the road, make sure you use it. Because if it's a big pub and it closes, in all likelihood it'll get converted into a mosque.

Now, that's not Islamophobia. That's the statement of fact. You can find many, many large pubs in London that have been converted into mosques. And then when that happens, people get driven out. And these things are going on. So, and I know we're about a rap, do anybody, I say this, don't pick up a brick, don't pick up a bottle and fill it with petrol. These are our weapons. It's called a pencil. Sharpen your weapon. Get it ready for when we go into the ballot box and we put down our exes.

And just make sure that those who have failed historically, recently, currently, make sure that they have absolutely no place, no power and no influence our over. how this country is run could i just well said peter yeah patrick just on that let me say one quick thing and then you take over mate uh delighted to hear thought i just wanted to say that it peter i'm so glad you said that because i remember coverage of b lm for example blm in america burns down whole districts of cities takes over armed with guards they take over a portion of the city and everyone and everyone pretends like this is fine and they say oh a riot is the language of the unheard and all this

stuff and I'm so glad that when we're talking about this issue we are focusing on how to actually solve this problem because let's be honest for a lot of people violence in this kind of situation it feels good it's an outlet for a lot of other frustrations with life etc but the reality is that's not going to make this better in the democratic society the way to achieve this is through the ballot box and I hope that that message is what what gets taken out of this as well because we can't we can't lower ourselves to the standards of the way the that the left behaves when it comes to these things. Go ahead, Patrick.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Just to come back to your point about that, that kind of view, if you zoomed out and looked in a, from a third world level. Yeah. For me, it is an absolutely crying shame that we have cared not one jot

for European and Western culture. And if you look around now, we obviously have been sold an immigration Ponzi scheme for legal immigration. How on earth can it be that for years we had the importation of over a million people and yet we all per capita got poorer.

I mean, that itself is saying, well, clearly this mass immigration thing hasn't worked. But it's also the importation of people from radically different cultures. Some of them are great, don't get me wrong, to the individual people. But we've also imported other things. We've imported Sharia courts. We've imported increased honour killings. We've imported increased female genital mutilation. We've imported people from various different parts of the world,

and maybe it is because they've seen war, or maybe it's just because over there's a slightly rough society, where the idea of seeing extreme violence is actually quite normal. We've imported all of this kind of stuff into our country at the same time as making the economy worse off. And you wonder why things start to look a little bit kind of third world in Britain, really. And I think to come back against your point I'm saying, the idea that we are being told, well, this is actually just fine.

In fact, it's enricher. This is entirely enriching for us. It is just a lie, isn't it? And again, this is, this was why it comes full circle to what we saw in Belfast, what we've seen elsewhere as well. When people feel helpless, when people feel ignored and then people feel lied to, it's, and I'm not excusing the burning down in people's houses. What I am saying is there's, there's almost a kind of natural human reaction to out of born, out of total frustration and helplessness of, well, I've tried everything else, I'm going to explode. I've got to explode. You've got to do it. And it's not a mystery why it's happening. It's not a mystery why it's happening. And if people have their votes listened to and

their feelings heard, you know, then actually there's a good chance that we might be able to stop this going forward. We might be able to kind of put the cork back in. But, you know, as it currently stands, people seeing their entire areas change, their entire way of life changing and everything. It's not going to make things any better, is it? No, well, that's the worry because if we carry on this current trajectory, my real concern, Patrick, is that we're already in a terrible place, but we're actually going to end up somewhere far, far worse, that the vast majority of people who've lived in this country have never seen before. Yeah, quite. And I am very fearful about this moment, because as we've already spoken about, even in the wake of a perception of different. terrible things. Our politicians have not done anything to change policy and potentially tied the hands of police forces a little bit as well. And there are certain areas of the UK, and I'm going to

name Liverpool here, I know that Peter alluded to it earlier on as well. If something happened in Liverpool, along the lines of what we saw in Belfast, it would go off. It would absolutely go off. And I could name several other places in the UK, obviously. I'm sure we all could. I don't understand how our politicians sleep at night, taking that chance and then blaming the people who might go off for it all and demonising them and calling them all racist and thugs, etc. We are sleepwalking into an absolute crisis here.

And the perfect time to do some quotes unquote radical policy, like patrol your border more, turn some boats back, start deporting more people, maybe leave the ECHR, or just deport them anyway and ignore the ECHR, is now, do it now. Britain is a powder keg. It would be a vote winner on a purely political standpoint anyway. It would save us all a shedload of money and get the economy in a better position and it would sort out public morale. Why not do it? It doesn't make any sense. Well, gentlemen, thank you so much both for giving us your time tonight and your thoughts. It's a terrible situation when we discuss it like that but I think we owe it to the people

listening to be honest about it and so I appreciate both of your forthrightness in this conversation we both do thank you so much everybody for watching if you enjoy these live shows make sure to like and especially subscribe to the channel so you get notified when they go live Patrick Christus Peter Blacksley thank you so much for both of you for being with us tonight thank you