TRIGGERnometry - Cancelled Comic Makes Huge Comeback

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

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I remember when we did Trigginopry last year, you said to me that you thought something good would come from it. I can't actually believe. Well, I can actually. Now you can. Back then you didn't fucking believe me, did you? Well, when you said that, there was no way in this world I could have envisaged what came. Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Constantine Kisham. And this is a show for you. honest conversations, we're fascinating people. It doesn't get any more honest or fascinating than the returning guests we have for you today. I can't tell you how happy we are to have him back. Chris Maglade, the comedian, actor and all sorts of other great things. Welcome back, man. Welcome, yeah, it's being great to be asked back.

It's an absolute pleasure. I'll remind people. Looking like Lawrence Lowellin Bowen Bowen. You do, mate. You bang on about the working class, but you've come dressed very, very middle class today. Wow. See, the thing is, I've just been in this bowl. up the road from Millwall, right?

And I've only been to Millwall once with the borough, like many years ago. And a few would have said to me, when I was in Millwall with the Borough match before, that parts of this area of London would end up being gentrified, right? And I said, go on, fuck off, right? But I was in this Bowser there, and it's all your main, like middle class, super middle class, Tabithers and Joshes with the half-masked jeans and the fucking trainers and all that, you know what I mean? And I thought myself, wow, Millwall's becoming,

the Isle of Dogs is going to become gentrified. Can you believe that? The world has changed, my friend. But it has changed in good ways as well. One of the reasons we wanted to have you back, because I remind people, last time you were on the show, and we got such incredible feedback. People really loved what you had to say.

It was because you'd had a show canceled from the Soho Theater. And you really were kind of your wit end in terms of trying to get your voice out there, get your message out there, get your comedy out there. Quite a lot has changed things. Right, so like, I'm a spiritual bloke me, right? And I work on art. And I honestly think, right, like, years and years ago, it's not the thing, this actually happened to me,

years and years ago when I was living in a place called Hindlewell, near Whitby, I was at the absolute Well, I thought that was the absolute bottom I couldn't get a gig I was like six, seven months in between gigs and all this And I run off this like inner clock Do you know what I mean?

Like an inner voice all the time And I just like follow it really And uh call it intuition or whatever But this thing said like you know These times when you haven't got anything Right don't kick back Embrace it Because when you're

break comes and it will come, right? It will make it even more unbelievable. And that is the position that I found myself in last year. You know, I mean, last year was... I've had some hard times. Maybe it's not as hard as other people in their lives, you know. But last year for me was me scraping the bottom of my, like, existence, do you know? Like I completely let myself go.

After the first lockdown and he had a little break and then we went into the second lockdown and I really went to a place that I'll never go back to again. Hence why I've got to think, I'm never going to go back there again. I let myself go. I was drinking three or four bottles of whiskey a week. I'd grown this massive beard.

My hair was like Moses. I mean, fair enough, I couldn't get into a hair. I said nobody could. but I lost my motivation I lost everything you know and and it got to the point where I woke up one night

and I was quite sober actually and it was two in the morning and I put a belt around my neck right not to actually do it right I just wanted to see what it felt like I mean in 2019

I tried to do it when my wife and I parted company and I actually tried it that time But this time, and I put the belt around me in it last year, I didn't want to do it. I just wanted to see what it felt like. And I think that was scary, because it was like I was going down a tunnel.

I was like slipping further and further into it. And I was like, it was like slippy on the inside. I couldn't get out. And I spoke to this lad of power end who had actually done it. And he'd actually done it. And he'd actually done it. And he said to me, if you've done that, then you got a massive problem

and I said why is that like and he said because I did the exact same thing I tried it well just tightened it to see what it felt like at the same time of night you know and so I thought right okay there's a problem there obviously there and I thought that was the lowest point of my life

the lowest point of my life actually wasn't in the lowest point of my life I have one daughter and two step-sons but my daughter is like my blood and she's my world and I went wrong to her house and her partner's grandma who sadly passed away a week ago I mean obviously I know her well you know well and she came in the kitchen she didn't recognize me for a couple of seconds I said it's me

like you know and she said well I didn't even recognize you Chris you know so we had a cup of tea and everything and as I was leaving my daughter's house but I was half an hour later. I was close to the front door. And in the kitchen, I heard my daughter say to a partner's grandma, I'm ever so sorry about my dad. You know, he's just having a few problems. Well, I absolutely, I left the house and I got into the car

and I broke my fucking heart. I absolutely broke my heart that my daughter had had to make an apology for me. I mean, I always wanted to be like the dad that, you know, I mean, you can say, there's two ways to say that that's my dad, isn't it? You can have somebody saying, that's my dad. Do you know what I can go, that's my dad?

Do you know what I mean? And I always wanted the first. I always wanted to be, that's my dad. And to think that my daughter was making excuses for me, it just brought my heart. I mean, I can control, because I'm in a good place, now I can control the emotion where, like last year when we did this thing, I was in a really hard position and I couldn't control the emotion.

And I was in a car and I always remember I was crying. And this has happened to me once before when my daughter was about five. I had no money. I had no gigs. I was absolutely at my wits end. And I was in bed with my girlfriend at the time. And I was breaking my heart. Like absolutely breaking my heart crying.

And in the tiniest voice, I just said, please God help me. and in an instant I stopped crying and I just sat up and I said everything's going to be all right and the following day an agent phone and said I've got a couple of gigs for you and off I went again

and it was that kind of moment again last year when I was in my car outside my daughter's house I was breaking my heart and I just said just in a tiny voice please God help me and I realised now that was the absolute bottom for me personally that was the bottom of my life

because I'd had everything taken away from me my wife had left me, dad had been murdered I was in his house with only a chair and a bed and everything right nothing no money no gigs now and about two or three minutes later all of a sudden I thought fuck this get yourself off to contemporary airdresses and whip me for a cut in colour, right? Because I get the old band,

it's Paul McCartney Brown at the moment, like, you know, but I get like a base five, they call it. And I phone up the addresses and I said, right, book me in for hair cut. And I go there for the crack

as much as anything else because I get on great with all the lashes. And that's what started, the bounce back. I remember putting a post on Facebook about it. You know, this is, me new barnet. This is me new haircut. I'm back kind of thing. And strangely enough,

that's how it started. It started with a haircut and a shave. They wouldn't shave me in the hairdressers because of the COVID and stuff. But I went to my daughter's house and I shaved all me withers and she was playing foot because she was there all clogging the sink and everything, you know. And then the Soho Theatre, they cancelled me out. And I did the live thing on Facebook much to the annoyance of the promoter and his team but I felt as though I had to say something I didn't do it to sort of like shitster or anything like that and of course that's when Comedy Unleashed came in for me

and so they said well we'll put you in the backyard well that sort of like ushered in the next phase because I'd clean myself up and the next phase was was me starting to rehearse forgiveness again. Your show? Yeah, because that was the show that I was going to put on at the Soho Theatre.

They cancelled me out. Comedy unleashed and we'll do it at Backyard. So I thought, right, it's got to be ready. Especially when, and this, I couldn't believe this, right? We sold out in two days, 300 tickets, boom, gone. I'm like, wow, you know what I mean? I was like the biggest comedy night in London on the, I think it was the 3rd of October. October or 12th of, I can't remember, no, 11th of October.

And so it had to be right. And so I started walking again because I hadn't walked for a while. I'd been doing a lot of walking when I walked to London and everything, you know, against lockdown. And I started walking again and talking to myself, walking around the streets, the red car and stuff going through the gig, going through the gig. So that was up and then a couple of little spots came in. They got my confidence back, you know. they did one stead comedy for

John Fentman It's a good guy John Yeah he's smashing lad I got a lot of time for him And so that that happened And then we actually did the gig At at

At Backyard And that Well you were lads were there I mean It was off the scale You know And

There's a lot of Trigonometry fans They had seen your interview with us Well For me I mean I remember When we did Trigger Nobody Last year

you said to me that you thought something good would come from it. I can't actually believe. Well, I can actually. Now you can. Back then you didn't fucking believe me, did you? Well, you see, this is the essence of faith, isn't it? Do you know what I mean?

The essence of belief as a spiritual man, I realize. Because my faith and belief in a lot of things has been tested. It's like an elastic band, like pull, pull, pull, is it going to snap? But when you said that, there was no way in this world I could have envisaged what came. After we did Backyard, I did another performance at the Albany for my agent Michael. And that was great. People who'd been to Backyard the night before came again. Fantastic.

I went home and I thought, right, what am I going to do now? Sick of living like a fucking tramp. I was living like a homeless person. in this house, do you know what I thought right? And I took the money from the comedy and leash gig. I thought, right, I want to buy some stuff from my house because all he had was a chair in the bed, right? A wardrobe.

And it was minging. I hadn't cleaned it or anything. Absolutely minging. So I started that process off. And that took a couple of months, two and a half months. And come December, I had my house Back on blob

It was like immaculate Do you know what I mean? Carpets down People are great I'd put a post on Facebook I'd put a post on Twitter Just saying look I need to buy some things cheap I've gotten the money from from backyard People are saying here Chris

I have this fridge freezer It's been in my garage years It just needs a freezer light Chris have this microwave Here Chris my mom died I've got a memory form mattress and bed for when your grandkids come. The kindness was unbelievable.

Didn't want anything for it. You know, and that just blew me away. So my house was up and running. My comedy was up and running. I was like back in the land of the living. I had my grandchildren stay with me. With a man halfway through December, that was just the fucking best.

We all had Christmas hats on and we had naughty elf and all this, you know. That was unbelievable. My best mate, Mags came down to the house. Margaret Collinino, she cried when she saw the house. She said, I'm so proud of you. And then fuck me. The day before Christmas Eve, I got a call.

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That's ridge.com forward slash trigger and use our special code, which is, of course, trigger. The day before Christmas Eve, I got a call from Comedy Unleashed. What are you doing? I said, I'm all right, like. Have you got anything planned for forgiveness?

No. Oh, well, we like to take you on a tour. I'm like you joking, aren't you? I said, no, no, maybe it's just a small tour, or six nights. I said, oh, okay then. Well, line us up with your agent, Michael, and we'll get it sorted. So I said, okay, then. So the following day, I thought they'll leave it after Christmas. Christmas Eve, Michael phoned. Comedy and Lisa had been in touch. They want to put you on a two or six nights, Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, London. That sounds great. That's

fantastic. You know what I mean? What a Christmas present. But that wasn't it. Because on Christmas Day, I never go on Twitter but I went on Twitter on Christmas Day and somebody had sent me a message and this person said I like what you say and I'm like do you

and they said yeah we do yeah and I'd like to make you a donation so they said I'd like to make you donate have you got a PayPal account I said no well I have you a

but I don't use it. So I gave them on Christmas Day my bank details, right? And I went to my Christmas dinner at my daughter's house and I was playing football with my grandson in the front garden and I was thinking,

you fucking dick, you've given somebody, right? It was complete stranger. Like your bank details, what's going on? So I got back in touch and I said, look, I don't know where you're at

and they said, I'm going to put this much money in your account. And I'm like, hi, okay then. because it was you know quite hefty sum got to have to have to bank all day

Monday nothing ago in the account I said look yeah now I know that social media is full of twats really right and I know people took the piss right so they sent me this screenshot right of the bank transfer well I got up on a Wednesday morning and check my account and it had gone in

so I message back and I was at Dunelm buying a frying pan, right? And I said... You know how to party. Yeah, absolutely. Finally got money, get a frying pan. Get a frying pan.

And I said, look, I'm ever so sorry for doubting you, right? But the money's gone in and I can't thank you enough. So this person said, well, it's time for me to come forward now. So I'm like, okay. And basically, this person, is in the medical profession in a foreign country. And they'd seen me on trigonometry. And they said, I love your message of forgiveness.

And I want to put you on a tour. Right. Well, it wasn't going to be a sixth night tour. They said, I want to put you on a 30-night tour of forgiveness. And I'm going to pay for everything. and I'm going to make sure that you get an allowance every night to pay for your travel and everything else and I have all the faith and belief in you in the world

and I am sat with side to an elm right you fucking flying pan in my hand right and I'm thinking Michael ain't going to believe this. So I phone Michael and I told him right. Long story short, within about five days, six days, like a five-figure sum are going into my agent's account and my account to pay for this tour

and everything that we needed. And for me, like, that's just these things don't happen but they do happen and I realized when it happened that that little inner voice that I had maybe he's out 2014

2015 when I was like a gig once every six or seven months when it said you know embrace these times now when you haven't got anything because when it comes it's going to make it even more unbelievable when it fucking was and I mean we're going on a 30-night tour

there's 30 dates and it's going to be England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales can't wait to do Belfast because that's where my dad's side of the family were and of course taking the message of forgiveness to Belfast where they've had all the troubles for me

it's just a massive thing do you know what I mean and I'm going on tour. It's just everything. That's what an incredible story. Absolutely. And you see, I don't have any expectations of it, you know. I don't have one expectation of that tour

because let's be real. I'm a nobody, right? I haven't had any television credits. I don't have any great following. I don't have, like, fans or, you know, like massive, I mean, I have my Facebook, friends and everything, 5,000 people on one account and I think 5,000 people on the comedy thing. But, I mean, you know, I haven't got, like, a massive following. I mean, there's people with television profile struggling to sell out tours and stuff.

So I have hopes, but I have no expectations of the tour. but there again you see it doesn't it's almost like it doesn't matter do you what I mean yeah whether the whether each show gets one person in and obviously I would want more than that but if it gets one person in or the room sold out it's almost like it doesn't matter because I've realized when I wrote forgiveness I can see now right that the whole thing was kind of like It's almost like meant to be, if you know what I mean. I mean, when I first wrote Forgiveness, I'd written like a two-hour show,

and I realized I'd written a two-hour show. And my friends said to me, Andy in Magazine said, well, you know, what are you going to do? Because you only got like 55 minutes at Edinburgh. And I just said, well, you know, hopefully I'll take it into a theatre and, like, do the full thing. And that's what's happening. Do you know what I mean?

So all the stuff that I'd written that for me is very pertinent to the story and everything else, make it a two-hour show with a break, it's now starting to happen. And I just feel as though, whatever happens with the tour, it's meant to fucking happen. Do you know what I mean?

And I don't think it's going to be the end of it. I think it's, I just think it's, it's going to get bigger and bigger, you know. Just by virtue of the fact, the way things have gone, you know. Just coming straight out of the blue.

You know, what are the chances of somebody in the medical profession in a foreign country watching your program thinking, I like this man and what he has to say? And yeah, the world does need more forgiveness. And you see, the person who's backed me financially for the tour, they said to me just two days ago, they don't have any financial expectations at all. They're not bothered.

You know, I want them to have their money back. I want to make it, you know, get enough people in to pay this person back. But they have no expectations of that. They said all they're bothered about is the message of forgiveness, you know. And I look at the way the world is at the moment. And I think that's what's needed most of all. Do you know what I mean? To me, you know what it shows?

It shows the power of honesty, Chris. Because when I saw your show, it was one of the first previews you ever did at John Fenteman's gig in one-sid comedy. And Constantine took me along and said, you've got to go to this, you've got to watch this, this is brilliant. And you weren't exactly going out and seeing loads of shows at the time. No, because I was gigging six nights a week.

Yeah, I was busy. And he went, no, no, but you've got to see it. And it was the third, I think it was the third preview that you did. Third or fourth, certainly no more than that. and what struck me was the power of your words, the honesty, the integrity behind it. And in our industry, let's be honest, we don't really get a lot of that.

No, well, I think the industry, I would never slag any comedian off ever. I fucking would. Do you want to know why I would never slag any comedian off? It's because it's too hard a job. It is a hard job. It's too hard a job. And for me, anybody, whether they're being growing 30 year, 40 year,

five weeks, right? You have the boss to stand up in front of an audience and try and make them laugh, right? And you've got my respect. End of. You know, Lawrence Olivier, I remember I've seen him on Parkinson years and years ago

and Parkinson said, if you hadn't been an actor, what would you have been? He said, I would love to be in a stand-up comedian. Do you know what I mean? Because of all the entertainment genres, stand-up comedy is the most difficult because you go into a room and you don't know what people

have done that day or what kind of lives have got or whatever you know and yet you know to make people who are in a low frame of mind laugh is a massive thing it's a very powerful thing and so I wouldn't

I wouldn't sort of like decry or denounce any comedian do you mean there's certain comedians I like like to watch and there's other ones granted my interest in comedy isn't the same as when there was people like Mortimer and Wives on the go and stuff and Tommy Cooper they were like comedy heroes of mine.

I could watch Eddie Isard all day long but not laugh but love him. Do you know what I mean? I said that to him when he came, he took me for supper, went for supper when he's got partshares in his club in London and after me last night at the Soho Theatre, I got invited along to see his gig. He'd been running all these marathons and he'd done this show in the Leicester Square Theatre

and we had the same promoter Mick and we sat down and ate and everything and I said in it like I don't laugh really at you and he got that because you said well you're a comedian yourself and he got that you understood I wasn't being rude but I said like you know but I could watch you all night I could actually you know what I mean but I feel as well there's a lot of comedians these days

they don't they don't use comedy perhaps as they should be. There's so many things that we should be speaking out against and it seems like a lot of comedians

are all too bothered about just being safe in case it affects the work or their ability to get up and you see that's the thing with me

I mean, the comedy circuit's done me, I mean, basically, I'm a working men's club comedian, following the talk double and the bingo and strippers on all this, you know, and stagdos and stuff like that, you know. The glam stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, where I learned me trade and stuff, you know, but I've always sort of like pushed myself as a comedian. Yes. And I've always got off my ass and I've gone on to the comedy circuit.

And I've always gone down great on the comedy circuit. but it's never been really more than open mic spots and you know like 10 minutes here or five minutes say I mean it's it's crackers really you know what I mean it's for me it's exploitation in a way I mean I remember being at Camden comedy for Averden been a few years back now and there was a young lad there young comedian he was trying to get a a comedian's union going and because he said it was exploitative and I agree it is you know you're getting like two comedians like in the middle doing 10 minutes each for now you got like you got like a comedian at this start doing it maybe he's 80 quid or 100 quid

and you got your headliner wherever he gets 200 quid or whatever it is you know what I mean and um and so I think it's exploitative and a lot of comedians would actually like to get in the store and stuff the comedy store or whatever they'd actually probably pay if they would get a decent spot at the comedy store, you know. But they're not, comedies, I don't feel as though comedies, like, challenging as it, as it should. But you know why that is? I mean, look at your own story. You were just telling us what a life, what life can be for somebody who wants to talk about things, who wants to push that envelope one gig every seven months. Yeah. That's why they're not doing it,

man. Yeah, but I mean, you know, I agree with you. Well, but, but you see, the thing is that this is another thing. I mean, I reached my end point with the comedy circuit in 2019. I mean, I've been in comedian now for 34 years. I've been in, like, I was in the main comedic part in Billy Elliott in the West End, right? I played at the comedy store in Hollywood on the main

stage with Jane Cook and Harlan Williams and Bobby Lee and all these guys, right? I've done loads of things in comedy playing every kind of audience that you can think I'm not just like that comedy circuit you know I remember working with Alfie Brown one time got a lot of time for Alfie I think he's a great comedian do you know what I work with him we did it

I'd been working for the Black Watch over in Scotland and I flew back and on the Sunday him and I went to Exeter to do a gig like you know and I mean he was every that I'm not in comedy really, but like he watched me and we got back in, because he was driving, he got back in the car

after the gig. And I did a great gig. And he said, I've got something to fucking say before I set off. I thought, here we go. Here we fucking go. And he went,

that was seriously fucking brilliant, Chris, right? You know what I mean? And you shouldn't be in that position. And I was like, wow, you know what I mean? Because he was with a big agent and stuff like that. You know, it was a massive compliment for me. But this is what Francis was trying to say, Chris, is we've had, however many hundred people on the show now. People don't get that response that you got.

And that's what he was talking about when he was talking about your honesty and your authenticity, which also comes through in a comedy, because we went to see your show once you'd come on the show and there was a load of trigonometry fans there and whatever. And that's what people are responding to because you're being honest. Yeah, well, I mean, that's just how I am. Yeah. But in the world where very few people are that way, it stands out. Is that what you were?

I was going to say, but that's not how most comedians are, Chris. You know, it's that old David Mamet line. You know, you love the theatre. I'm sure you love Mamet. Words that come from the heart go to the heart. They hit. They hit hard. Whilst words that have no meaning or a disingenuous,

they don't hit because there's no emotion behind them. There's no truth. The thing is when I write something and I perform it, right, then it has to make me laugh first and foremost. So I have to feel it. And if I don't feel it, I can't. That's the thing with me. For me to put my comedy across properly, I have to feel it.

If I don't feel it, then I can't put it across. I can't be like fake, do you know what I mean? Probably my best pal on the circuit of ever on the comedy circuit was a guy called Bobby Knoxall, who in the 60s and 70s was tipped to be like massive, you know. Like he was Sundan's answer to Bobby Thompson. And he always said to me, the most important thing in comedy is to be honest

because an audience can spot a fucking fake a mile off. You know what I mean? And that's basically what I've tried to do my whole career. You know, some people, that might piss some people off. But my cut off line, as I was saying, was 2019. Because I'd written to all, and emailed all the top agencies, off the curbs and the Avalon's.

And you get the same, you know, thanks but no thanks. And then you get back again. No, no, it's okay, we don't want to. Yeah, but I've done this. It doesn't matter what you've done. We're not interested, like, you know. And I've done all the open spots, and then the open spots again. And I'm thinking, fucking hell, you know,

like you're doing like an hour and 45. five minute spot improvised like comedy and they don't want to know and it plays like a massive mind game and you're trying to

impress these people all the time the different promoters around the country they still don't want to know that's fair enough that's up to them you know they book who they want to book

and that but it makes you think well what what am I doing wrong do you mean I'm storming my audiences what am I doing wrong so you carry on doing the five minute open spots

down in Peterborough for fuck all you know you're doing like a note an opening spot down in Bristol. I did one Friday night, drove all the way to Bristol for like 110 quid. It cost me 95 in petrol and food and fucking drink.

But you know what I mean? I thought myself, well, rather than me sitting on my ass in our house, get off your ass and do your trade. And you never know what can come from it, no. And that's what I've basically been doing. And then the absolute bottom came in 2019. I'd written forgiveness,

I'd rehearsed forgiveness, and I'd done, a couple of previews of it and this promoter from down south in Essex I think it was he asked me to go and take part in this comedy competition at this really like low level festival

in Chelmsford I think it was E lot it was fucking awful do you know mine and there was no fee on it Just the promise that if you won this competition, you'd get 200 quid. And the way he was putting it across to me was like... We've all been there, man.

We've all been there. Yeah, but I mean, I'd be like... But you've been doing it for 30 years. And I was, you know, I'm... And so I went there and I came nowhere. And the two lads that were... There was a joint thing. And the two lads were won.

It was one lad. he was a comedian but he'd actually come to see me the year before in Edinburgh when I did Northern Monkey and he told me that I'd inspired him to start comedy again right

and the other lad bless him was he was autistic and he'd only been doing comedy five weeks and I thought myself fuck me I can't beat somebody who's been going five weeks and I can't beat somebody who had inspired to start comedy again

And I got on the train to go home the following day and I thought this madness has to fucking stop man you know the circuit isn't humiliating you you're humiliating you I'm humiliating myself

and it was strange because I made that decision that's it I'm not going to you know I've I've got off my ass and I've proved how much this job means to me and none of them want to know and I can't get a gig on the comedy circuit

and I can't get a gig on the comedy circuit and I can't get a gig in the main clubs like the top secret or the comedy store or whatever you know what I mean and I just thought no enough

just enough do you know I mean and strangely enough as I was on that train going home I I just look at this this thing on Facebook a notification and it was the right to hate

and it was the right to hate and it It had been on like 9,000 views for about a year. Your poem. Yeah. 9,000 views for a year. And then all of a sudden, I looked, he'd got up to 15,000 in about an hour.

And by the time I got off the train at Redker, it was like 25,000, right? And then it was off. And for like two weeks or whatever, three weeks before Edinburgh, it had like nearly a million views. Because it went viral twice. That was the first time went viral.

And I thought of myself, no. And it was weird. Once again, it's based on. the spiritual, but like once I made the decision that that was it, I wasn't going to humiliate myself by doing these five and seven and ten minutes spots for nothing or 15 minutes at the start for 50 quid, like 150 mile away, once I'd made that decision not to do that. All of a sudden, the right to hate just started to build up a dynamic of its own. And then enough we went to Edinburgh. And then, of course, after when I took forgiveness to Edinburgh that year, and then,

it was just critically acclaimed across the board and then and then see it and now I feel as though like I'm not bothered whether I do the comedy circuit or not now do you know because it's never given me anything you know some people have have been downright

awful you know but I and said bad things but I I'm not bothered about that because I don't I try not to concentrate on the people who knock, although as comedians you'll know yourself you do, don't you?

Do you know what I mean? You always concentrate on, you could have like a room full of people loving you and then one or two people not laughing and you'll concentrate on those two rather than all the rest. But I try not to concentrate on the negatives and

just concentrate on the positives. And now I feel as though, well, you know, I've got a tour but it's even more than that you see because like last August

I got a phone call off my agent Michael he'd come back into the frame and he said I put you in for this movie for the lead role are you

I can't say at this moment in time right who the director is right it's one of the most iconic British directors ever. I'm putting him for the lead role. So we got the feedback. Oh, yeah, you know, so and so, so knows what he can do.

Blah, blah, blah. We're not really bothered. And then all of a sudden, it just changed. My mate, he's a psychic. Tony caller call him. It was armed rubber, right, from Millsborough. A psychic taxi driver. Fucking unbelievable, right?

And this is not, no, I don't allow you, but you laugh, right? He's as funny as fuck anyway, right? Proper, rough-assed, smoggy, borough taxi driver. Arm'd robber, got put away for arm-drobery, right? And he started eating these things. And when I was at Edinburgh, he was saying, you're going to have an Hollywood film director, and you contact you.

And I did, right? So he was telling me, it doesn't matter, when they got this, Michael told me I was up for this movie, Tony was saying, doesn't matter, that they're going to want you. Right? This other Irish fellow called Eddie, he was the same,

they're going to want you. Long story short, right? Just before I got the phone call from Comedy Unleashed, I went for the last casting and I've got a part in this fucking movie, this major British movie. So I've got like, I'd tidied myself up, I'd rehearsed my act,

I'd started getting small spots and stuff just leading up to backyard comedy. did backyard comedy got a standard innovation for about a minute and a half got all my house yeah I got fucking tired of standing it down there I'll tell you that's what you get with talents on you

got all my house sorted landed apart in a fucking major British movie that we start filming this month and now I'm on a 30 date to it and it's just fucking unbelievable and I think myself well I'm not saying I'm bigger than the comedy circuit

but do I need that shit? Do I need the five, do I need to try and prove myself, you know, on five and ten minute open spots trying to get, please give me a gig,

please give me a gig, I'll suck your dick for a gig, please. You never did that to me, mate. No, no, no, no. Well, that's why I was a comedy promo. I don't want to... Stay right there. I don't want a Russian nuclear missile in a problem.

Do you know, and I just think myself, you know, in all the years leading up to this they gave me nothing Chris you don't even need to think about it anymore man Well I do you see because I'm This is your shot Yeah but this is your shot

And you've got to fucking take it It is my shot and it is my shot I mean I mean this is another And honestly right I'm not kidding you right You won't believe this right Eric Clapton fucking emailed me I got like fuck me

Oh do you know what When I heard about that Because he watched his trigonometry I was obviously delighted for you. I was like, what the fuck hasn't emailed me? No, I don't think he watches Trigonautry. All right. Thanks, mate. Just watches Chris McGlade.

No, there's a guy. Believable, mate. No gratitude these days. There's an acquaintance, right? I have. And he liked my stuff. So he's on, what's that other social network for him?

TikTok? No, not TikTok. Instagram? No, it's not parlor. Telegram. Telegram. He's big on Telegram. He has a massive following.

He's a free speech advocate and all this, you know. And I sent him, I'd seen Clapton do this interview, right? And he was telling people how the jab, the COVID jab had affected his hands. And he got really emotional. And he mentioned this chap. So I thought, okay, because this chap is big on telegram and he's, you know, an advocate. He likes free. but he came in the backyard.

It was only the night you and Anton did. So I sent him some of my stuff and he loved it. And like Clapton liked it as well, you see. So I said, would you ask Eric if you wanted to come to the gig? Well, he messengers me back and he said, Eric said he'd be absolutely honoured to come to your gig. I'm like, fucking Eric Clapton, be on it to come to my gig. I'm like, you know, wanking on.

Slow hand, you know what I mean? Like smart stuff. and it's like and on the night of the gig or the day of the gig clapped and messaged me emailed me and said

because of the COVID and everything he didn't want to take the risk of coming to a packed comedy thing fair enough but he said we'll definitely meet further on down the road which is one of his songs and like I'm thinking

like all this doesn't happen to me and so it's like my dad died in I finished in Billy Elliott in 2000 and 11. My dad had been murdered in 2011.

And I'd finished this political campaign in red car and everything. And I'd come up to Billy Elliot and all that. And there was nothing. And that's when I'd spent all those years, 12 years, begging, top agents and all these people, please, they'd come and see me and all this.

and I came close to off the curb offering me a spot somewhere in Essex and then they pulled it and put this Irish chap in instead and I'd done all that for the best part of 12 years right and then after all these things happened last year I don't feel as right I have to I have to sort of like humble myself or beg anymore I mean like I say I don't know if the two was going to do anything. I mean, you've got like 300,000 people and, like, subscribe on your channel. If 7,000 of those people

like decided they like what they see and they want to buy tickets, that's great. That's job done. This interview, that's great, you know what I mean? It's like every time you see a celebrity on a telly on Jonathan Russell or whatever, they're always fucking selling some, aren't they? And I suppose that's what I'm doing either day. I'm trying to sell the show, but I want people to know that no matter how bad you think, are, if you keep that belief, it might be in God, it might be in spirit, it might be just in you, right? It might just be in yourself.

But if you keep that faith and belief in yourself and fuck me, I'll tell you what it was. I was like this, like stretch to the limit. And I almost lost it, but I didn't lose it quite. And if you just keep it, then you never know what's something. And I am living proof of that, you know what I mean? And so that's why I've come, I mean, I love you two at the bits, but that's why I've come on to this thing again, because I want, I've built up this like social media following now,

and people say, oh, yeah, and I've inspired me through my darkest days and all of this, you know, through lockdown, you make those live videos, and they made sense to me, and, you know, you didn't mind laying yourself bare and showing us what's and all. Like you say, that comes down to being honest, I suppose. and people have gained comfort from that and that makes me feel very proud, you know what I mean? So if I can inspire people, you know, to carry on going through my story,

you know, and I have, you know, I've scraped the bottom of the barrel and stuff. But if I can inspire people to carry on through my story, then that's all fair and well, you know. And it's not about the comedy circuit like beating me or me beating the comedy circuit. It's just, you know. Chris. Francis will tell you a story about a mutual friend of ours, a comedian,

who summed up the comedy circuit perfectly. Do you remember? Javier? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll talk about that. Do you know what your story reminds me of? I remember reading Stephen Fry's autobiography. Have you seen it? No.

Have you read it? He talks about Star Trek because he's a huge Star Trek fan, and he relates a story from Star Trek, where Spock and Captain Kirk were looking out over the galaxy. and Kirk looked at Spock and he said, you know something, you know something, Spock, there is somebody at this point in the galaxy saying the three most beautiful words in the world,

please help me. Yeah. And that's it. The moment where you reach out and you go, things have got to change, I can't carry on like this. I can't do this any longer. I want to change.

Things change. Honestly, and that's like I resonate with that massive. Because, I mean, like I said, that's happened to me twice in my life. I mean, I had a massive spiritual experience in Grand Canaria. I'm not going to go into it now because I'd be here for five days talking about it. The ramifications of it have left its mark on my life, like massively. People can scoff about all things, spirits. And I get that.

Do you know what I mean? I get that. Most people go without, you know, I can touch this and it's the lower and I can drink this tea and it's nice and, you know, I can see you and I can taste this. But like when something happens that you can't see touch, feel, hear, smell or whatever, right? But you know it's happened. The only way I can describe it to you, it's like, it's like a, your clock's ticking like this, and all of a sudden it stops, and then it starts ticking like that. Do you know what I mean?

And everything but everything is different. And that's what happened to me. And I have got this spirituality, and I have been in that position twice in my life, where I have asked something that I can't see, feel here, or whatever, just help me. Yeah. And on both occasions, it's come from Trump's. Come up Trump for me. And I can't.

I'm not going to turn my back on it. And I'm not going to deny it. It's very personal to me. It's based in a lot of things. It's based in the love of my family, my grandchildren. I look at it now, you know, and my grandchildren's great-grandma, I like to say, she passed away last week.

And my grandchildren, were upset about it. And they saw like once a week or whatever. And they see me nearly every day. And last week I thought to myself, you bastard, if you had to kill yourself, how upset where the grandkids have been. And I thought to myself yesterday,

no, I don't want to live. I want to fucking live. I don't want to die no more. And I don't want to go and shave it anymore. And I don't want to go scruffy anymore. And I don't want to, like, you know, let myself go on neglect things anymore. I want to live. Because you've got things to do, man.

This is what I was going to say to you about the circuit. It's like a friend of ours said to us, this is why it matters. Because there's a lot of people watching this in the comedy world. But it's not just a comedy world. It applies everywhere in life. So the circuit, you've seen Batman. It's like that pit that no one has ever come. climbed out of.

Bain was the one. And he said, you guys are one of the few people that ever get to climb out of it. That's all the comedy circuit is. Now, it's not true that it didn't give you anything. It gave you the skill. You had the chance to practice, to get better. The comedy circuit didn't give me the... They're doing the comedy did.

You see, there's two, there's two circuits, isn't there? Yes. There's the circuit. I learned my trade in Staggshaws, working men's clubs, strippers, some of the things I've fucking seen and done on the circuit. I remember working in this place, the Maid Marion Centre in Nottingham, right?

Or the Robin Hood Centre was the Made Marian Suite. I worked with two strippers. On a wedding tonight. It was fucking awful. They left all the sex toys on the fucking floor. And it was like a scene from horror film, like this black dildo was fucking, like a finger was crawling across the stage like that, you know what I mean?

I remember doing a staggedo in Doncaster on a Sunday night and I'm not lying here at the end of this thing all the lads have a whip round to get one of the lads up right and the strippers make a bit of an ass of him like you know what I mean and they got these gadgety up started stripping him off you know they're all doing dancing around you know and taking his shirt and all that

all the lads are going crazy one stripper got this leg like that and this stripper got that leg like that and like that you know what I mean pulling his shirt and shirt and stuff off his shoes and socks off the first stripper

grabbed all this bloke's show pulled it and the fucking leg came with it right he had a prosthetic leg so she stood right with this gadji's leg with a fucking show on it and a sock right well we were

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And it was absolutely, I mean, I was awful. I wasn't ready for it at all, you know what I mean? You know, like when you see these football pundits and they're talking about, you know, should this club go up from the championship into the Premier League and all the rest of it, right? And you think, well, no, you want to go in the Premier League. You know, well, that's where I was, like,

well, I wasn't even like championship, you know what I mean? I was like maybe third or fourth division. And I suppose this video company were trying to put me in the top flight. And when I look at it, I was nowhere near ready. And it, I mean, you've got to understand on that stag circuit, the one as racist as you can possibly be,

the one of as sexist, as misogynistic, as sick the fucking lot, do you know what I mean? Because it's hard. Whether the audience is black or white, that's the nature of a stag comedian, do you know what I mean? And that's what it was, and it was fucking awful. And they wanted to do this video in a theatre in London, and they wanted to add, it was alien to me.

That would be quite a fucking show. They wanted a bus and audience in, right? They wanted a bus and audience in. some northerners in. No, yeah. And I had this, I had this like madder, well, I still got it

because I love Teichside. Do you know what I mean? I love fucking borough and Redca where I live. I just love them. Do you know what I mean? It's my own. Well, I said, no, I want to do it

at the Dormons Club in Middlesbrough. The Dolman's Club had had, um, oh, what do you call it? Bob Monkhouse and other people there. That's what I'm going to. So we did.

it there and all it was like two coaches from redca came over to middlesbrough they went in this club the people from middlesbrough took an exception of two two coaches of reddy going there was the first time it was a full-scale ride and it was the first time that c s gas had been used in teaside at my fucking video shooting and we got to cobble it up and we did it again because my agent at the time was from south wales and we cobbled it up we did it again this place down in um in south wales and it was just awful. The video was fucking awful. I'm not proud of it at all.

But I wasn't ready for it, but that's my background. Yes. Then you've got the comedy circuit. What you would call the comedy circuit. Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. Like five comedians or four comedians and an MC and this and that and the other. You know, people echoed but if they do, then, you know,

echo too much, you get chucked out and all the rest of it. Do you know what I mean? It's a complete different beast where I'm from. I mean, when I went to the gig with Alfie, all those years ago down to Exeter, he had this, like, television theme idea about me and him, like, swapping. So, like, I'd go on that circuit that he did in London and the southeast or whatever, and he'd do, like, the clubs in the North East. I thought it was a great idea.

I mean, I would love to see him. I've seen comedians on that comedy circuit, the London-esque kind of comedy circuit. because they're putting more and more of these comedy nights on in working men's clubs now in the north and I've seen some of these like circuit comedians they're going to working men's club and you can see the colour like drain out of them when they see you know because they're really uncompromising

like you know like places to work yeah look look my point is you've done all that yeah you've done all that you've done all that you've done all that and now you've got your shot and you've got a 30 day tour and you've got a part in the movie and I couldn't be happier for you. Well, listen, as I said to before,

when we did Trigger Nootry last year, at that time I had the show in front of me and that was it. We didn't have any more plans to do forgiveness anywhere else, right? And that was that. And then we did it and now I've got the opportunity. Now, all I know is,

I've got a part in a major British movie with an iconic British director and I'm on a 30 date tour and I've got some other little bits and pieces coming in on the after-dinner speaking circuit so I've got money coming in job done, thank the Lord, do you know what I mean? Yeah.

You know, I've got a flyer's appetite the best of time because I do like to eat, do you know what I mean? Beyond that, I don't know. I don't know if the part in the movie is going to lead to anything. I don't know if the 30-date tour is going to lead to anything.

But, as I say, because it came out of the blue, I just feel as though all of this, if I was to talk from a spiritual point of view, I feel all of this is meant to be. And I honestly feel as though it's not the end. This person who, this medical person, who from abroad, who's, you know, who's come in and give me this opportunity financially,

I think they want me to take it to America. They want me to take it to Australia and New Zealand. And I mean, I'll do those things. Do you know what I mean? Of course I'll do those things. But that's in the future. I just want to get back to performing regularly. to writing

because when I'm not doing anything I can't see the point in writing you know yeah yeah it's like being a ship in the doldrums you've got no wind in your sales but once you get the wind in your cells and you're off

then you're more creative aren't you so I just want to I just want to like do these things get my creativity back and and let's take it from there

and I hope this is the thing Middlesbrough had a football striker called Bernie Slavin and he came to see the show I've only had five gigs this year and one of them I did a performance of

forgiveness in my own time in Red Card and I raised money for these two homeless charities Bernie Slavin came and he said to me after the show have you seen Ricky Javier's afterlife and I said no I haven't I don't watch telly

I never watched telly and he said well I watched your show and he said And it was very similar to that, you know Well, I've never seen After Life I don't know even know what it is And then the other chap came over And he went, oh, you Chris

I said, well he went Your fucking T-Sides Ricky Giversh young He said, have you seen fucking afterlife? I said, no, I haven't know He said, that's where it's like He said, it's fucking wonderful, right? And that meant a lot to me

because I mean, I have a lot of time I don't think Ricky DeViers is a better comedian than me He's got more profile of us he has, you know what I mean? He's outspoken, and I love that. I love the fact that he champions common sense that he won't bow down to the Walk Brigade

or the PXE Brigade but then again he's big enough not to worry or bother about that, you know what I mean? But I would love like somebody like that to come and see the show. Or I was in this article in the Telegraph on Christmas, just before Christmas last year

and I was like sandwiched in between Johnny Depp Ellen DeGeneres, John Cleese and J.K. Rowland. These are all people who'd been censored, right, in 2021. And I thought, it wouldn't be great if John Cleese or J.K. Rowland thought, I wouldn't know this person. I'll go and go see this show. Because all it takes, what I'm saying to you is, all it would take is for one of these people to see it

and think, hang on, I can do this with it or I can do that with it. You know, maybe take it to another level. You just never know, dear. And so that's something I'm hoping, but I have no expectations for it. Because I just think the way it's all happened, it'll just be where it'll be. And I'm happy for it to be what it'll be. Chris, this is all incredible. But I think you're discounting the power of that decision you made,

where you said, no more. That's where it all comes from. To me, and that's a really powerful thing about this. story is someone who was at the bottom who felt they had no way out, realized that they were doing it to themselves and making a choice that it wasn't going to be like that anymore. So if you keep committing to that choice... I get that. I get that completely, right? But no, no amount of shaving and getting your hair cut and coloured right is going to make a doctor from a foreign country give you a five.

Now that's trigonometry, mate. That's, I mean, I don't know. We're being cryptic about this person, by the way, because they've asked not to be identified. Look, you're in a great place. It's absolutely fucking brilliant to see. I'm so proud of you. I'm so happy for you.

You're going to smash the tour. Everybody go and make sure you buy a ticket. We'll put the link in the description. Chris. Chris. The tickets are at. Chris, I don't even know. This is how professional he is.

Listen, I'm a 50-7. He's a great comedian. Tech-wise, not so much. Don't tell him. Yeah. It's, it's, Michael said, because he's drummed it into me, he's here, right. Michael said, the tickets are at chris McLeod Comedy.com. Perfect.

And if you want to, right, so, and if you want to click. And if they're not, we'll put the correct link in the description. And if you want to click and subscribe, I'm back on Facebook, two accounts and I'm on Twitter. But I don't do Instagram. Perfect. Chris, we've always got one question at the end. We'll ask you a couple of questions from our supporters, from our supporters, for our supporters. but before we do, what is the one thing

we're not talking about that we really should be? Once again, class. You know? Because you see, I look at it this way. I am a very working class comedian and a working class man. And I don't think that working class comedians of that working class style, right,

get a fair rubber the green. when we done Backyard last year the guys at Comedy Unleashed said we want to put like a Northern Working Men's Club night on at Backyard Can you sort of like five four or five comedians

in an MC and I said yeah great And I said there's some of the lads on the circuit You know do want to be a part of this And let's see if we can change things Because it seems to me that the only kind of comedy that these people who dominate and control comedy want to put on is their version of comedy. And there's millions of people out there

who don't subscribe to that point of view or that tasting comedy. Do you know what I mean? And for me, it comes down to discrimination of that working class style of comedy. So that's, and Pete, like I said to before, the last, and I went in at the fine ends of a fart about class last time, but like nobody likes to talk about class. they get embarrassed about it. They feel uncomfortable about it. One of the things that I was really proud of with forgiveness went into the Soho Theater.

It went across everything. It cut across class divide, race divide, religion, everything, do you know what I mean? Until it was cancelled. But even so, I mean, when we went to the... But that's the point you're making. That's the only reason I made that quip is that, yes, it was until it came across the tastemakers of that world

because of those reasons didn't want to carry up. I've got to say this, though, because the Soho Theatre cancelled me out because they said, oh, it's anti-Semitic, you know, the poem, the right to hear. I was contacted by these two chaps and we become friends. And one of them, he founded the campaign against anti-Semitism. And then he founded this movement called the Israel Advocacy Movement. and the other chap Alexander he's like

like he's I don't know if it's second in command I don't know if that's the right term but the work hand in glove kind of thing you know they hound like these these guys are like proper well Israeli advocates and the Zionists and Jewish obviously

you know and just leading up to me doing the backyard they'd seen the stuff about you know this anti-Semitic so they'd done not all the thing and they've gone through all the tweets and blah blah blah you know and they'd seen the stuff I'd put about the Rothschilds and banking and all this you know so they wanted to do

this interview with me right and I will get emotional over this one they wanted to do this interview with me and I said right okay and I'll do the interview right and then we're having trouble the logistics of either me going on alone and none of them coming up to red car so I said right I'll tell you what we'll do come and see the show. Come and see the show backyard when forgiveness goes in and then we'll do you an interview right. So they came along to the show

and with like 300 other people that stood and applauded at the end. Wonderful. After the show the top guy, Joseph he said to me that was absolutely amazing. He said you've actually changed the way

I look at things and I said in what way and he said well it made me realise that people can say anti-Semitic things right but not be anti-Semitic

they can say them out of ignorance they can say them out of a lack of education I said well I'm glad you appreciate that I said you know I'm a very intelligent man probably not the most educated of people I left school when I was 16 years old went straight into a steel mill

do you mean my professors and my lecturers where people like Ernie Buckton and Colin Ely and Terry Taggart. You know what I mean? Stock takers are rough-ass steel men, you know what I mean? I said, but I've tried to educate myself over the course of my life. And I've had questions and all this, you know,

and I've tried to answer the questions in my own mind. And he explained that to him and he said, well, that's what I mean. But then the other guy with him, Alexander, he said to me, well, I was sat there and I thought to myself, but there's another aspect of this as well. And I said, what's that? And he went, shouldn't we forgive the anti-Semites?

And that was like, fucking hell. Like these people are like committed to the cause of Israel. They've bashed and attacked anybody who they think is anti-Semitic. And yet I'd kind of like cut through that and made them see things in a different way. and we've become friends now. Alexander offered me to come down to London and have dinner with him and his family

for the Sabbath. They're going to get me, what they call a yiddled. I want an orange one, no, because they're orange in my favourite colour. And they've endorsed my show on Twitter, telling everybody to come and see the show. Now, the show has cut,

has like cut through a lot of things and it's encouraged people to forgive and it's encouraged people to forgive themselves and it's kind of like you know built bridges again but now it's like changing things on like a massive political level as well you know these guys realize

I'm not anti-Semitic they realize that you know I'm growing evolving changing I said to them you know I'm still growing and evolving and changing on the day I die. I'm still learning stuff on in my last breath. I hope I've learned something.

Do you know what I mean? Yep. And so they realize, you know, I might have said stuff that's anti-Semitic on Twitter, but then again, we'll encourage to power of thoughts and feelings on social media, conversations that you'd have over one time, I'm over the back fence or when you're washing the car with your neighbour

or in the shop with a queue, you're encouraged to have all those throwaway conversations on social media now where they're all stored and people can think oh well you know he said this in 2009 you know this and what but like all you're doing is like using like social media as a soundboard for the things that you're thinking in that particular time and these two guys saw that do you know what and they realized there was no malice in see so when i when alex put that tweet on twitter i sent it to the director of the theater at the soho theater do you know not to be clever or to piss up his back or anything like that,

do you know what, but to say, look. And I said to him, look, if we can work together in future, get it on. Because these are two guys, are massive in the Jewish community, they're massive in that thing, they know that it's not anti-Semitic, they've seen the show.

You know, don't let that progressive, cancelled culture stop because, you see, and this is the, crux of it all, that cancelled culture and that political correctness is dividing people and ultimately conquering them, that's to fucking stop, right? Because otherwise, we're going to be at each of the throat all the time. And if my show can go somewhere to dismantling that cancelled culture and to make people like Joseph and Alexander look at things in a different way, do you mean, then I think that's a fucking, even more than making people forgive, that's a massive

thing, you know, a massive, massive thing. All power to you, Chris. God bless you, man. Thanks for coming back on. Thank you for watching and listening. We'll see you very soon. I mean, it probably won't be quite like this, but it will be another episode or or show. They all go out at 7pm UK time.

And for those of you who do like your trigonometry on the go, it's also available as a podcast. Take care and see you soon, guys Honestly, right I set up that because I was desperate for finances in 2020 And then I thought to myself, what the fuck are you doing?