TRIGGERnometry - Comedian Discriminated Against for Being White - Tyler Fischer

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

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Someone was a dick. You're a dick to him. Something's nice. You're nice. Now they're like, oh, I don't think so. I said, is that company policy? And he said, yeah, it is. And so, you know, I hung up and I was crushed.

You have to look at their skin color, their gender. There's a whole checklist of things you have to do before you even say hello to somebody. It makes you crazy. Lots of sleepless nights and a lot of pain and having some of my heroes hate me. People don't want to know your story, right? They can attack you, but nobody knows what I've gone through

and survive. You're gonna reach a point and it's gonna like to likely be financial or a job was taken away or your daughter's job. It's like the people that come after me, I go, well, what if your white daughter was told fuck off you're white, you can't be an actor? You know, the pendulum will swing back and I'm going, the pendulum is broken out of the fucking clock and it's just like slamming everyone in the head. Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Trigonometry on the road from the USA. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissin.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Our brilliant guest today in what is a very hot studio, hence why we're all dressed like we're on the Hawaiian Beach somewhere, is a brilliant comedian, podcaster, YouTuber. A little bit controversial at the moment because he's suing a potential manager for saying he can't work with him because of his race. I can't talk about that. So Tyler Fisher, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thanks for having me. It's great to have you here, man. We're in New York, which is where a lot of cool comedy stuff is happening. Tell everybody before we get into all of that. Who are you? How are you where you are? What has been the journey through life that leads you to be sitting in that chair? This chair right here. Francis snuck into my DMs. He took me out to coffee. He does that. I do come out to Starbucks, which was a bit of a letdown. So, yeah, I am a comedian, actor. I started in theater. and then studied, actually studied in London a little bit, dropped out of acting school in London. Couldn't take the theater kids. I don't know if you've been around them. Yep, I have. They're like the cousin of comedians and it's all kind of wretched it up a little bit. Moved to New York City, started doing film, TV, stand-up theater, and then started making my own sketches, my own videos.

And now I'm a touring comedian and live the dream. Living the dream indeed. And, you know, your sketches are brilliant, like some of the stuff you did during the pandemic about vaccines and all of that. It's really good. Hi. This is a little message to the unvaccinated. You are killing everyone. It's your fault.

You're being selfish. So get the vaccine. Because I vaccinated. I am vaccinated. Okay. And so I'm protected. because the vaccine is safe and effective. So if you're around me and you're unvaccinated,

then you're putting me at, well, you're not. You're, okay. So you're selfish because if I'm protected and you're around me, then I'm fine, but you're, but you're me. Sorry, if you're not vaccinated, then you're not, it's your, you're racist, is what I'm saying. It's really good and you're great impressionist as well.

But one of the reasons we wanted to have, big enough impressions, I heard Mark Norman was just here. I can still feel his, hey, hey, comedy. What are we doing? Is that why the tears all torn up? What are we doing? I love Mark. Yeah, Mark's great. But one of the reasons we wanted to have you on is obviously this situation with you and a potential agent manager where you were about to get signed.

they said they really liked you. And then they were like, we can't work with you because you're a white guy. Yeah, and they're going to use this clip because it is about 100 degrees in here and I'm sweating. So I'm picturing in a year when we're in court, they're going to cut to this clip and go, look at him, he's sweating through it. He's probably lying about all of it. Yes, yes. So what happened? So what happened?

This has been happening for about 10 years. Every once in a while, a casting director would say, hey, you know, I want to submit you for this job. but we're not really doing the white guy thing right now. Okay, that's interesting. And it happened more and more frequently. I'd be booked on a podcast. Get a text, hey, not the best time to have a white guy on. Yeah, sorry about that.

Yeah, thanks, guys. Yeah, those, yeah. You guys weren't even famous yet. Some assholes. British white is funny. Or you seem tan-ish. Yeah, exactly. What are you?

I'm originally from Russia, but the face is like Greek and Jewish. Okay, all right. You know, it's funny, I auditioned for an animated voice today, and I was telling you guys. And the description was 30 Caucasian, but the guy looked like you but darker. Right. So now they won't even show white guys as white. I think that's become illegal. Yeah, you've got to be at least tanned.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't want someone who's actually white. white and sweating. Why? That's me as well. Holy cow. But you know what...

Can you have the temperature on the screen during this? Just so people understand. That's what we need. But it's funny the way you talk about... I'm doing great. Everything's great. Career's going great.

Everything's fine. Wash it's going. But you know, what I find interesting about the way you just mentioned my skin tone, right? Yeah. To me, I love that because there's no awkwardness about it. Like, yeah, we have different skin color and we can just talk about it.

But we've certainly in the UK, like if you made that comment, everyone would be like, like, he's mentioned my skin color. Yeah, I just got shamed for that. Well, not even for me. It was all white people do this thing, and it was directed at me. And I was like, well, what's the problem with that? You meet somebody, you don't have much to talk about at a party. It's like, where did you get the shoes? Where are you from? You know, you take that out. There's not much left. So it's a good conversation starter. Anyway, back to the story. Back to the lawsuit. Right. For eight, for ten years. For ten years, years you've noticed that every now and again you apply for something, you know, and they're like,

we're not doing the white guy thing at the moment. Yeah, yeah, constantly. One of the biggest jobs I actually got, I won't mention it, but it was a casting director who I knew, personally. She was a fan of mine. And she, they, them, those, I don't want to, got to be careful there, too. And she wrote to me, she said, I probably shouldn't submit white guys for this, but I have a feeling you're a perfect fit, so I'm going to sneak you in. And again, I mean, to look at that, then I start to feel like, well, I don't deserve it. Why? The job had nothing to do with race or gender or anything.

And I booked the job. And every day I went, and I did feel a little bit like, am I stealing this from somebody because of the way she presented it? So, yeah, it just happened more and more. and then I had an agent bring me in, big agent in New York. He goes, why aren't you on SNL? Every year around two months before SNL, people would bring me in, go, why aren't you on SNL, why aren't you famous?

And I'm like, well, if you want to help me out, that'd be great. I don't have Lauren's WhatsApp. So a few months later, radio silence, and I emailed, I said, what's going on? No auditions, nothing. and he wrote back, and I quote, tough out there for white dudes, and then they removed me from the roster.

I got an email and said, you've been removed. So I was done. So then I just stopped pursuing agents and managers for a while, started making my own stuff. This agent that I am suing, or manager rather, reached out and said, we love you. We want to get you auditions for curbing your enthusiasm, all this stuff.

Said great a few months later they reach out said we want to call we want to get you on the phone so I'm sitting there like all right here we go Finally it's all it's all happening and he goes we we we hit a snag we really love you we think you're a star But we're not taking white guys and I was just like what the you know been at this for 15 years Not that I deserve anything, you know if I went my whole career without getting booked on something but I at least had the opportunity to audition, I'd feel okay about that. But what's happening now is they're removing certain races from even having the opportunity to compete. And that's what a manager or an agent is. They get you the opportunity to compete that you otherwise can't unless you have, you know, a big YouTube show like you guys. So I'm sitting there and I remembered my therapist.

I was dating a quite mentally unstable woman at the time and he said you need to start recording conversations if anything comes up because you don't want to be accused of the million things you can be accused of. And so I hit record. I said, can you say that one more time? You know, you like me, yeah. You think I'm a star, yeah, but you won't work with me because I'm white. And I was like, can you say it a little slower? A little slower.

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When I saw the story that this had happened with you, it kind of made me laugh. You know why? Because you're racist. Exactly. I hate white people. In the UK. That's not longer racist, mate. Yeah, that's progressive.

Yeah. But in the UK, this is going on all the time. Yeah. I remember an incident where someone was racist to me in the street, right? And that day I got home. What was the race? Was it white or was it? No, no, it was dark.

Oh, because you're right. I can go either way. This is my point, right? Same day, I get home that evening. I get an email from a promoter saying, I'm sorry, we're going to have to change your dates because there's too many white people on the bill. So I've just been, you know what I'm saying?

I said you. And Francis will tell you as well, this is like, it would never occur to anyone on the UK comedy scene to sue a manager or an agent who'd said that. Yeah. Because it's just taken for granted now. It's normal. It's normal.

it's beyond normal it's so normal that they're comfortable saying it even with a little laugh you know i believe he had a little giggle you know you know the pendulum will swing back and i'm going the pendulum is broken out of the fucking clock and it's just like slamming everyone in the head i don't want to hear the pendulum analogy you know or any you know analogies from the 1800s or whatever So yeah, you don't think this stuff would happen, given the perpetual sort of beating over the head of you have to stand up for discrimination, you have to stand up for oppression, and I'm all about that. But then I go, wait, it's happening to me. And they're going, not that, not that kind. Are you tired of using bulky old wallets, giving you a bulge where you don't want it to be? my old wallet was massive, so it brought all the ladies to the yard, which was a huge distraction

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You're in solo. And you would go, that's disgusting and quite right. rightly, but it's just, nobody bans an eyelid. Yeah. No, it's justified racism or discrimination. It's not reverse. You know, we can't use these fake, made-up, woke words, cisgender to reverse, you know. It's not. It's exactly what it is. It's the same definition. White people didn't invent racism, you know. Go to Asia. Go to Africa. They perfected it.

We polished it. That's funny. Yeah, so I just made the decision. I'm not playing this game anymore. I'm going to go for it. And I also waited until I made my career on my own. So it was calculated that I didn't want to get sucked into that victimhood mentality because that's also a billion dollar business at this point.

So I thought, all right, if I build up my following, I'm making a living, I can pay rent, I can tour. Then I'll do this when I have the strength, you know. And obviously, you went out, you talked about this, and the entire comedy community went, that's a fellow comedian, that's my brother, we've got to stand up for him. Yes, that did. Where did that happen? What platform? Was that on Instagram? Must have been on my, MySpace. That's where all the support was. Yeah. No, no, no. To nobody's surprise, there was very little support. The support I get is in a comedy club when I'm walking out, a comic will tap me on the shoulder and look around and go, I love what you're doing. And that's about it. I'll get a whisper. So I had to sacrifice my standing in the comedy scene. And I did. And so, yeah, I'm called crazy.

insane, far right, all the words you can possibly think of on that side of the political spectrum, which this isn't political at all, nor are most things that people find controversial. So, yeah, that's the new normal for me. I go into a comedy club, people, some won't look at me, some won't shake my hand, but I have to kind of rise above it, transcend it. Why do you think that is? Why do you think comedians, who are meant to be the ones championing free speech, championing the right to joke about whatever you want. Because even if you're selfish, you've got to realize

that this will come and affect you. It may not be today, it may not be next month or even next year, but eventually it will affect you. Why are they not standing up and pushing back against this nonsense? Well, let's ask them. We have Mark Norman right here. Hey, hey, comedy, come on. It's there's a lot of reason I want to look up. I know I'm a big Jordan Peterson guy. It's like you got to look up to the stars and you got to take personal responsibility. Got to clean your damn room. And Jordan Peterson is actually one of the reasons why I spoke up about this because he defended the right to not be compelled to use preferred pronouns. And if you don't know Jordan Peterson, um,

They do. Losers. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you eat a lobster. When he stood up to that, I hadn't really seen anybody really stand up for something so common sense and logical. You see the protests and the vague sort of umbrella protest terms and all that. So when I saw him do that, I thought, okay, if I don't do this, this is going to take me under.

So that inspired me to speak out. And then also watching his journey, I was kind of prepared to see he didn't get any support very little to none from psychologists or from his industry. He was eaten alive. But the common sense people in society were the ones that came to his defense. And that might be 80 or 90 percent of the population. So that's pretty good. So I thought, all right, I'm going to probably lose.

this group of comedians, maybe some of my family, some of my friends, my girlfriend, my dog, my apartment, my mind. But apart from that. But apart from that, I'll have pride. And so I think one of the reasons

a lot of comedians don't, won't stand up for this, is just fear. We've now created this fear of things you can't talk about. It's all bullshit. It's all made up. You can talk. about it at your own risk. And so that bubble is getting bigger and discrimination against white people is now in that thing where they go, nope, because they change the definition in the, I think, Webster

Dictionary where racism is not a real thing against white people. And people are buying into this stuff. So I think it's fear. It's fear. And comedians are, you know, we typically don't make. a lot of money. Most aren't successful. Most won't have a career. So then if you speak up and you defend somebody who's seen as controversial, you might lose your spot at the comedy club. And then the other person might find out. So the fear is so deep where I don't think most

people are willing to do it. And then the ones that kind of attack me for it, well, it's, I don't, you know, while they're doing that, I'm just writing and producing and filming and enjoying my life. But the interesting thing is the comedians that we all looked up to, like, I know you're a huge George Carlin fan. They're the ones who went, well, I'm going to say what I say and fuck it and damn the consequences. That's what makes a great comic. You know, I think for a lot of these comedians, if they actually truly understand that and

were brave enough to make that step, their lives would be transformed. Now, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be easy. It's not the easiest path to take, and it certainly wouldn't be without negative consequences, but ultimately there's a freedom at the end of the journey, like George Carlin or Richard Pryor or Higgs or any of these people. None of them took the easy path. Sure, but how many are there total? You just listed on one hand. There might be two hands worth, and so it is incredibly uncommon, I think.

and it might have to do with your personality type or how you were brought up. I'm not sure. But I think it is a tremendous amount of pain to get out of it, you know. I know you and I spoke about that. It's not fun. And so it's tempting to want to go around that and then play by the rules. But you're never going to live a life where you're fulfilled. Like you said, where you have pride in yourself.

where you actually love what you do and creating the work that you truly want to create if you go down that other path, even if you become the SNL, whatever it is that you want, it's always going to feel slightly dirty. Right. Because you know you compromised. Yeah. Yeah. And that was one of my dreams.

And now if they walked in and said, we want you on this Saturday, I would say thanks, but no thanks. Shit, Lorne, sorry, man. She coming out? It was a big surprise. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. What's interesting about your case, though, is you actually saw what was going to happen

because I don't know if you know this, but in the very end of 2018, I got offered a contract to do a gig at a university, which said they have a zero-trance policy on like a gazillion things, racism. It said that all jokes have to be respectful and kind and whatever. And I turned it down and it became quite a big story without me knowing that it would. And then I was so naive, man. I thought, here I am, like, taking one for the comedy world. Yeah, for the comedy.

Like, I'm speaking. Checking your DMs. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, well, where's the praise? And then I went back, and I went into the green rooms. And, like, half the people wouldn't look at me. The other half, to be fair, would come and give me a hug and say, like, well, those are the half that think you're brown. The other half that think you're white. Exactly.

Exactly. Divided into two. But like, I was so incredibly naive, but you seemed to like you knew what was coming if you did this. I did, but there's no way to, there's no way to actually conceptualize that and feel what it feels like. No. To, you know, the woman that said, I'm going to sneak you into that audition, though you're white and I shouldn't. I saw her about a block from here the other day. I walked by and I said, hi, how are you?

She looked at me and she goes, and my friend goes, what the fuck did you do to that woman? And I go, nothing. She got me a job. And, you know, so there's no way. And that, you know, it still hurts. I had to kind of pull over to the side and, like, he had to go, you know, mate you okay. And I had to go get an ice cream and stuff. But to have that happen, there's no way to prepare for it.

But most people, just like in their stance on everything else, are cowards. So they're not going to say anything to me. Not one person. Yeah. Out of the, you know, 100 million views I've gotten on my videos, not one has come up to me in person and said, you're a, you know, a terrorist or piece of shit. So you've got to separate the Internet from reality.

And do you think in some ways we're incredibly fortunate in that people who did what you do and what we do a hundred years from now, they would have been burned at the fucking stake. Whereas, yes, you didn't get the opportunities that you wanted in some ways and you're taking the punishment for making a stand on a thing that you believe in. But at the same time, you can make your own content. You're very funny. You're getting opportunities online that you create for yourself.

And that is a tremendous privilege, the people who wanted to challenge the status quo, who wanted to point out that the emperor's naked 100, 200, 300, 300 years ago, they never had that opportunity, and we do. Well, if they were men, they had privilege. Haven't you heard? Men even with the life expectancy of 14 years old were so incredibly privileged. I love someone said that to me recently.

Men have always had all the jobs and everything. And I was like, do you think there was a feminist in like 1600 who was picketing to have like more female cobblers or female, you know, candlestick makers or whatever? Yeah, I guess so. But this does take people out. Yeah. This cancel stuff takes people. people out. Sure. And I just have something, maybe it's from being bullied as a kid for being

short or whatever it is. I think I have a little extra something that's just this little, you know, pilot flame that's just always on no matter how down and out I am that I don't think most people have. So I think whatever my privilege is is this biological thing that all of the short men in my family have had to, you know, overcome. I'm glad you said that, man, because I think for Francis and I, the reason we do what we do is also partly because, like, I'm not prepared to let people bully me or other people. I'm just not. And when I see unfairness, even if other people are okay with it, I'm not okay with it, you know? And I think that's kind of where you're coming out of from. Well, you're a pussy.

That's what you would say. Yeah. But you know what I mean? Like, Like, you're just not prepared to be quiet about something you think is important. No. No, because the feeling, the alternative is too powerful. You know, I know how that feels to not stand up. Even when I was bullied, yeah, I remember a guy tried throwing me in the trash can and I like got his legs and like, you know, kind of got him. And we were like kind of both in the trash can. Success.

Yeah. I mean, that's Twitter, isn't it? Yeah. Well, yeah. And, you know, in my, that was. the day my dad left my mom, but I had them in the trash camp pretty good. You're not going anywhere, Dad. And my dad did leave my mom for a man.

My dad came out of the closet when I was a kid, and I think that, you know, it's kind of like try me. People don't want to know your story, right? They can attack you, but nobody knows what I've gone through and survived. And so that's a misstep to not to just go, even if, you know, I have. have friends will go, what the hell happened to you? You know, friends from a few years ago or 10 years ago. But

I'm like, you don't know. You don't know anything that happened that led up to that. Even with the agent, a lot of comedians attacked me for it. And I go, you never asked any other questions. Like, has this happened before? Is this the first time? The tenth time? So

I guess that's kind of my superpower. It's like I have that history of overcoming this stuff. And if somebody isn't interested in that, then they're not somebody I want in my life. And with this freedom, what is that done for you creatively with the knowledge that you don't have to pander to gatekeepers? You're not worried about what the comedians think.

What does that done for you in your world? Well, it landed me a sketch show on CNN Plus. And there's one episode. No, it's the ultimate freedom. I mean, there's no, it's a feeling I didn't even know existed until you're there. And again, not easy. Like lots of sleepless nights and a lot of pain. And having some of my heroes attack, you know, hate me is quite a thing to have comedians I looked up to since I was a kid.

some of which, you know. Can we talk about that? I'm not going to say any names because that's one of my rules I just don't gossip. Yeah. Which is a useful tool, I think, especially if you're in the heat

to go, no matter what happens, I didn't talk shit about any of them. I think that that's been a really helpful tool. But we should have done that, man. Yeah, we should have done. We did do that. Way too late for us. And that guy, he's a fucking prick.

Yeah. I just there's too many pricks out there to to comment on yeah so depends how much time you go Yeah, you're right yeah yeah yeah no it's a good rule my way. Yeah, yeah but no some it's like a comedian's that I looked up to that you know Really started you know sharing my stuff and and and who now think I'm you know Storm in the Capitol or something yeah whatever the hell You know it's pretty wild yeah, but it's also a blessing because now my heroes I don't have to look up to anymore. But the freedom is, it's unbelievable. It allows you to cross the line maybe way farther

than you should, but you have to do that. There's no other way to do it. As a comedian, our job is done publicly. The trials and tribulations is public. There aren't a lot of other jobs like that, and most people don't see comedy and understand, hey, we're actually just rehearsing all this stuff live publicly more so than ever now with Twitter, tweeting out a thought or a joke. You're not even rehearsing. You're creating. You're creating publicly, right? Yes. The comedy only becomes, the joke only becomes the joke when other people hear it. Exactly. Right. And this is what people never seem to understand is, in order for comedians to be able to create new stuff, they have to go and try it and then find out that a line has been

crossed. No one knows where the line is until you go in front of an audience and you say the thing. Yeah. And if you at that point find out the line is too far and if we now live in a culture where once you've gone too far, that's it. There's someone at your door. Even approaching the line. Right. You're even talking about the line. Then all it's going to happen is comedians aren't going to go near the line. They're not even going to get near it. Yeah. And I think a lot of them aren't doing that. No. So, or they're sticking to the topics. But to me, there's no topic off limit. So, you know, we're now in society. We have all these protected classes, protected LGBTQIA plus.

We're coddling that group of people. It's not a real community at all. But we're treating them like children and putting bubble wrap around them. So I was talking to someone the other day and they said, you know, Chappelle's jokes are anti-trans. And I said, did you like any of the jokes? He said, yeah, I liked that one. I said, could it be that it's just a joke that has a trans person in it and it's not anti-trans? And he said, yeah.

So why are you calling it anti-trans then? So those topics are just growing. I was thinking to George Carlin because he had the seven words you can't say, shit, fuck, cuck, cuck, sucker, and tits. And I'm like, if he lived today, it would be like the 700 topics. You can't talk about race. Gender, gender identity, what the fuck. That's a shit.

Yeah. Yeah. It would just be him listing it. And I thought he almost had it better back then with seven words he couldn't say. Now there's 70 topics, all which have 100 words under the umbrella. But you just don't have to buy into this make-believe world. And you'll find out pretty quickly, for me, it was about a year being stuck at 3,000 followers, you know, maybe 10,000 across platforms. And I was doing good stuff. I was doing funny jokes and impressions and Bill Burr and Bill Burr's sharing them and Jordan Peterson, but it just was locked. In a year, it went to, you know,

surpass 500,000 just from opening up those boundaries a little bit. Yeah. Well, it's because you're creating something no one else is creating. That's why, yeah, and I bought most of the followers. But you know what's really interesting about what you were saying? It's that, That comedy, when I see it on TV, particularly the UK and push back if it's different in America, is got to the stage where memes on WhatsApp and the chat you have with your friends is funnier than the comedy written and made by professionals. Yeah, absolutely.

What's happening? How did we get to that stage? it's all become you know I think everybody wants that you know when you see a comedian kind of when that spills out into their act people love it

it's just it's back to the fear we're letting a small minority of extreme people create the rules and but they're made up right and we are then enforcing the roles the comedy industry enforces the rules the media enforces the rules

yeah and increasing We were talking before we started in the UK, it's actually bleeding through into law. We have laws now about what you can and can't say. We have comedians who get investigated by the police. Right. Didn't somebody just get arrested or something? Yeah, there was a guy called Joe Lyser, for example. He had a call from the police, a visit from the police because an audience member on his tour complained,

and they were investigating him to understand the joke. We've had people get calls from the police. That's funny. It's funny to you, man Because you don't have to live there It's funny that they'd have to investigate And then you have to explain your childhood They have to do a therapy session

I've just got this image in the police station I'm going yeah yeah You know the peterophile case Stop stop stop someone made a joke Yep The murder investigation hold it Put it on hold This guy's making fun of

Yeah overweight people And then they have to do a deep dive Where did this come from Well it started when I was four My mom was fat My friends made fun of her and made a joke. I got to laugh. He's got to tell this 10-hour story how that became a joke.

That still gets arrested at the end of it. That's terrifying. Well, right. Exactly. And you wanted me to come do stand-up in the UK. I just wanted to, it'd be great for your career. You want a real litmus test to see really what the limits are. Yeah, exactly.

Get out. Fischer over here. Just you're getting dragged off screen. Well, someone of indiscriminate gender is in the back crime. But you know what, that thing about just not playing by the fake rules, it is so free. And this is what Francis will tell you, like, when we were still both doing the circuit, I always said to a man, you're funnier offstage than you are on stage because you're driving with the handbrake on that.

And that's what most comedians do now. They're driving with the handbrake on. Have you reminded him of that recently? I always say this to him. This is why he's gone crazy lately because he's saying. the hand break off. Yeah. Yeah, and they just go,

what do you joke about now, Francis? And I tell them, they go, okay, and then I never hear from them. But like, it's stopping people from being the best version of the comedian that they could be. And I wonder what, you know, we've all been through, I suppose, to some extent. But it's, I just know that it is,

it just gives you so much freedom to let go of that. But it comes with a lot of costs, as you say, man. And I think it's a tradeoff that some people can handle and a lot of people probably can't. Yeah, I'd say most probably can't. Yeah. Yeah. Because it does, you know, it will be family. It will be, because what's so fucking weird, can I swear in this? No, too late. Yeah, it course. We don't have free speech in the UK, man. If I do in a British, well, fuck, man. It's, uh, it's so scary that, I mean, I, well, I used to, when I had, when I had thoughts, uh, that I didn't

want to even say, I would, part of why I did impression, was I thought, oh, if I'm Bill Burr and going, oh, these fucking feminists, right, I go on a date, I want to goddamn kill myself. People would laugh. And so I started to get a lot of these ideas out through those people. That's how hard it was for me. I had to do that or, you know, I like to do Trump, you know.

You know, somebody, the gender fluid, it's like everybody's wet. Everybody's fluid. And everyone would laugh. People that hated the right would laugh at Trump or laugh at him. And that's how afraid I was. So it took me 10 years to even, like, do a joke about my dad coming out of the closet because I would get shamed for, no, even though your dad's gay, you're a straight white guy. That's not your lived experience.

And so I had to just sweat it out on stage. And it is a feeling I think a lot of people, you know, don't want to go through. You know, in the UK, we have the Edinburgh Festival, which is how, in the old system, That's how you got discovered. You put an hour show together. You had four minute, 40 minutes of jokes. You then did a little bit at the 40th minute. No, it said in Bristel, mate.

Yeah. 10 minutes of jokes, 50 minutes of lecturing. Yeah, exactly. Talking about why your dad never loved you and then you met this cat in India and changed your life. Nannette started, right? Yeah, yeah, that's how, yeah. So we have you to blame.

Yes, yeah. Isn't she Australian? Yeah, but we made her. But the format is that, yeah. And that's how you get discovered, right? And so you go up there and then you get nominated for awards and then the TV and the radio people, and then you get runs in the West End, right?

So that's how the model works. And the head of the awards is a lady called Nika Burns, right? And in 2018, she said the words, I'm looking forward to the next generation of woke comedians deciding what is and isn't acceptable on the stage. And comedians will find with that. Yeah, and this is the festival now. All right.

Carry on. We found out just this week that they are paying to fly or transport whichever way they do, Guardian journalists to the festival for them to see shows. These are the same Guardian journalists who then go around and review everything based on the politics of the show as opposed to the jokes in it. Wow.

Or what they've started doing now. They did it in 2019. When I did my show at Edinburgh Festival, it was doing really well. And the Guardian came. And on that night... You're like, fellas, dim the lights a little. It'll help them.

Right. And they came, you happened to go very well on that night, and they didn't review it at all. This is how they do it now, right? So these people are all working together in a tiny little industry. Yeah. So what you went through, I totally get because that's how it works. Like, you stand up, then you've got all of these people against you. The industry, yeah, they work as a whole.

So it's all top down. It's the, you know, it's what, honestly, I can't say much about the lawsuit, but I do feel bad for the, these people. This guy in particular was a junior manager. He's probably brand new. And he's being told by the senior managers, I assume, is what he told me, that we're putting a cap on white people. So this poor guy has to come back and report to me, and it took him seven months to be able to own up to it. And I also demanded that he'd tell me the truth. I said, if we're going to get on the phone, you have to tell me why you've been dragging this out for seven months. And so God bless this guy.

People are shitting on him too, but he told me he actually is the bravest person I've come in contact with because he told me the truth. But it's the movie studios, you know, who are tweeting hashtag, you know, gay, Ukrainian, black trans lives matter. So let's get that group cast. Then they're telling the casting directors. Casting directors are calling the agents and the managers. And then it's the actors. So that is one big solar system that works together. And the only way to get out of it is to do what we're doing.

I think it is working itself out. Yeah. Netflix put out a statement that said, if you're woke, you might not want to work here. I mean, that was coming after putting out the woken garbage you can dream up for five, ten years. Well, see, I don't mind Netflix putting out woke garbage as long as they don't restrict other people from going on there as well. Well, yeah, but they did both. Yeah. Yeah.

why it got, that's why it was so one-sided. It was, anything woke is gold. Also, don't, no white guys, know people of this, you know, this thought system or whatever it is. So it all just piled up. And so if, if you're not in that pile and you're over here where everyone's searching for comedy, it is kind of a, the Wild West right now. It's a gold rush. I agree. And you know what's interesting is that their ratings are just going through the floor. All these shows that have embraced this kind of agenda and this way of looking at the world, it's all collapsing. But they don't seem to get their heads around it.

And what's worse is they're like a comedian who's bombing and they're going, oh, they're not liking my fucking pito shit. You know, this mother and baby audience, you know, at 2 o'clock on an afternoon. Let's double down. That's what they're doing. It starts bringing the babies on stage. But that's... It's a religion.

It's a religion. It's like being at church, halfway through the service, they're going, you know what? Jesus, he wasn't real. It wasn't real. It's the same thing. This is a religion. So it would be akin to them going, yeah, that never happened. There was never the boat with the animals.

It's all bullshit. Everyone would go, wait, we've staked our whole lives on this. we've staked our career on it. They're in so deep that the financial part is what's shifting it. They're not going to magically change their values. The ratings are going to force their values to change back to hopefully opening it back up. But I'd like to see, I mean, like Andrew Schultz just put out his special and he said a streaming service wanted to edit his jokes and he said, fuck you and put it out himself. We need more people like that

to do that. I just produced my second special on my own. My first one's on YouTube. My next one will be on YouTube and on my Patreon. But we're not even... I'm taking this so seriously. We're not even pitching to those places.

That's how far away I want to be from that. Yeah. And then you might not ever need it. If you build your platform up enough, my goal is hopefully I don't ever need to go sit in a pitch with one of those places again, which I did for six, seven years with various TV shows. Do you have a website or do you plan to have a website? Because if you do, then EasyDNS is a company

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You know what's interesting is what I was very surprised about, particularly given we've spent about five days in New York now, we've met people, we've gone to comedy shows, we've talked to different people in the comedy world. Like, I was surprised that it seemed to me, like in America, there's at least like enough comics who see this shit for what it is.

that you would have like a lot of support as well publicly too. And that doesn't seem to have transpired really, does it? Let me check my phone. My dad hasn't texted. No, no, publicly? No, I don't think, from what I could tell, I don't think any comedians have, maybe a few, maybe five tops have publicly. And I don't need someone to publicly do it.

I mean, no, you don't, but society does. Otherwise, you're just the one racist guy who can't handle being right. It would help. It would help. Right. But maybe five. Maybe five out of, I'm in a system of about 5,000 comedians. And I mean, like, if a comedian friends me on Facebook, we have 5,000 mutual friends across the country. So I don't know what five out of 5,000 is.

You have glasses on, you might know. That's one in a thousand. That's one in a thousand. Yeah, yeah. But it's just so sad, man, because... You know what the great part is? And I was thinking about this the other day, and I haven't said this out loud.

The best part about it is, and you guys know this now that you have some success, or a lot of success, people will start to ask for favors and butter up to you. And whatever British term you have for that, We have a British term for that. Suck up.

Brown nose is the other one. Brown nose. This is one benefit I didn't anticipate. Nobody asks me for anything ever. They don't brown nose me. They don't suck up. They don't ask to go on my podcast. They don't ask to be in a sketch.

Nothing. And that is one of those little perks that you wouldn't really imagine being so amazing. Because that could also take out. actors, comedians, people in the entertainment business. Johnny Carson, for instance, became, you know, completely isolated because everybody wanted something from him at all times. I can walk into a comedy club and sit down and work on my jokes, go up, kill, and walk out and not one person, maybe more than a, like, a wink. It's brilliant. I've found that as well. Like, I walk in and, like, people just look at me and I'm like, have I just like got

a COVID positive test on my head. Everyone's like, get to me. Or like four in the shape of a swastika? Yeah. Four. Oh, my favorite one is when people got to talk to me, they do this. Anyway. You're like, could I leave the house in blackface?

Did I? Oh, shit. You know, the thing is, it also still happens, though. I remember when I turned down that contract, there was a guy who like really didn't like it was attacking me on my own. like feeds and whatever, replying. And then like three days later, when it became a big news story and it became

like public and people cared about it, he messaged me saying, you know what, I'd love to talk to you about this. Should we go for a coffee? And I was like, didn't you spend like three days just attacking me endlessly? It was like, yeah, yeah, I'll go and delete that. Did you call him out for it? Publicly. No, I said

to him, I said to him, you've been saying, you've been talking shit about me for three days. Now you want to go for a coffee. What happened? And he Oh, no, no, I'll go delete all those posts now. Man, so did you have the coffee? We never got around to it. I was happy to do it. But it just, it was interesting to me that somebody would flip the switch in about three days.

Well, that you reached the point of notoriety. Like, where were you in your career at that point? Not that far. Right. So that probably gave you a little bump. Yeah. And that is another thing I'm seeing. There is like an algorithm to it where you cross a certain number of followers or whatever it is

where then, like I have. some people coming back around now. Yes. For the first time saying, I'm proud of you, congratulations. Wow, you have this. And I go, where was that when I was dying? And I was, you know, that would have been a useful text at that point. Yeah.

Yeah, like, so this is what I find interesting as well. You know, so you get some of these comedians who are openly, overtly woke until something happens or a particular topic. There's a comedian who I helped a lot at the early stages of his career because I helped to run a comedy club and he was very woke and Vice did a hit piece on the comedy club that I was Ricky Jervis, right? Yeah, exactly. Right, right.

That's how long has been around. Yeah, man. I love how you crafted him. And he liked the vice hit piece and all the rest of it. Then I bumped into him in a comedy club and, you know, I was several because I'm passive aggressive. I bumped you, man. He pushed you over it.

Yeah, exactly. And we were talking and he looked at me and he went, I'm not going to get the vaccine, mate. And I went, really? And he went, yeah, because, you know, here's the reasons why I had a friend. She took it. She got very sick. She had really bad side effects. And ever since then, it freaked me out. And I just don't want anything to do with it. But he said it under his breath when he knew that no one was around. Right. Also, like you're his physician or something. It's like, just because you have a thing doesn't mean that people now have to come to you and go, yeah, I'm not good. And I just said to him, I was like, it doesn't matter what you do. It doesn't matter how fucking pure you are. They're going to get you on something.

Yeah. And that was his thing. And you could tell like the penny had dropped. It doesn't matter how pure. No. You don't do one thing. It will happen. It will happen.

And so why not? And I know, like you said, Mark was on your show. Yeah. And I had Mark on my podcast when I first started it. And I kind of was like, how do you, you really go for it, you know? And I always loved watching him. go for it. And he just said like, hey, hey, I just, no, I'm not going to do it. He said, I'm gay. He said, I just, I just do it all the time. This is how I am all the time on every podcast, every tweet.

That way people can't point to that one thing. And so that did really, that was one of the things that helped me go, all right, I'm going to do this for everything all the time so they can't find that one little thing. There's thousands. What are you going to do? Print out the 10,000 things I said. They're just going to pick the highlights, man. We're waiting for the Guardian hit piece. It's coming. It's coming for everybody. But I think you'll have a, you know, that's the thing.

You build your own following up to a certain size. When they come for you, if you didn't do anything illegal. You're looking at me. No, we've got a great legal team, man. Don't worry about it. They will have your back. And because of locals, Patreon, you know, Christa Lee is a great example.

Yeah. Right? I mean, he didn't do anything illegal as far as I'm concerned. He had a, you know, he cheated on his fiance, shame on you. He did a lot of bad things. But he apologized. He went and got help and went to, I think, 12-step programs and stuff. And sure enough, his following was to kind of lift him back up and pay his bills.

And there you go. No, man, it makes perfect sense. And that's the beauty of the moment. That's why I am somewhat more positive than I have been for a long time, actually, about everything that's happening. because at least I always get, I find it very difficult when I think there's no way out. And as my dad always says, a situation with no way out is a situation where you don't like the obvious way out. And the obvious way out is just to go, fuck you and build something of your own. Right.

But that's hard. That's scary. That's difficult. You're going to take a lot of shit. Yeah. It's going to be a challenge, which has been for you. It's been for us. Whatever. You know, speaking of Mark Norman, the interesting difference, I suppose, between what he's said and what you've said to us is he was saying, look, the way to deal with this is just to ignore it. You just do your thing. Just ignore it. But you felt you had to make a stand and go out of the comedy persona and into the real world and go, actually, this is wrong. Not here's a joke about how this is wrong. I agree with Mark. And Mark does that so well. And I think that is going to bring him credible longevity with his career. But like we talked about off-camera earlier, as well as your

pedophile lawsuit, that you're trying to find the easy way out of it. Well, I go to look off to Francis. There was a defining moment for me, and that was me not getting the vaccine, which I thought was a personal choice that nobody else would know about. I don't, I never talked about personal stuff in my life. Again, even being like, my dad is gay was the scariest thing to do on stage. I remember, I even talked about being uncircumcised once,

and a bartender at the show goes, stop! Stop it! No! And it was like another year before I even, you know, did that bit again. I had to cut it out, no pun intending. Hey! Hey! Hey!

All right, I'm a more... No. So, the difference for me was when that happened, I decided I'm not going to lie to the comedy clubs and say that I got the vaccine because I respect them. These clubs that it took me 12 years to get into finally gave me a shot and I, you know, I really showed up. I wore a suit. I posted on the weekends, started to make a living. And so I felt I owed them the truth. And so I just said, I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to make the fake card.

That was the difference for me. that's when it had to become personal because then I got attacked. Why don't you just lie? What are you doing? Why don't you get the vaccine? And it became like it crossed the line where it's like, no, this is now my personal medical choice. This is different than comedy or jokes you make. This is a personal my body, my choice thing, which is ironic because I actually am all for my body, my choice.

And so it's interesting to be called right wing. far right to have a stance that's as pure as it can be with my body, my choice, across the board. So that's where it really shifted. And then I had to sort of, by default, talk about my personal stuff because people were going in and kind of pulling it out. But I had never had any intention to talk about that. I was at those clubs when there was no vaccine. Nobody knew what it was.

I was one of like few comedians that were willing to go perform, which actually felt like a risk to your health. But I just thought, I'll die if I don't do it. And the crowd needs it. And the crowds were small. And it was outside. And everyone's in their mask and face shield. And the comedians are the only ones up there.

No mask, no vaccine. So then suddenly, after working for a year for free, all the money they made went to their chefs and to their bus boys and stuff. They didn't give any to the comedians. I worked for free, and then one day they were like, nope, you're out of here. And I just thought, man, you know, now I have to build this on my own. And that just sort of opened up a little bit of a window for me to start talking about more personal stuff. Never would have happened if it weren't for that vaccine divisiveness.

It's so interesting. Which blows my mind. And I lost a ton of friends and family. not allowed in my family's house, probably still to this day. So it was like a tremendous loss that I never intended to go near. Why do you think the whole vaccine issue was so divisive? I think it was done on purpose to prevent Trump from getting reelected again, and it worked. What do you mean by that?

I mean, it became political. It was not a political issue. No. Because also, by the way, if you even take this thing out and dissect it even a little bit, Trump's the one that pushed the vaccine that got the regulations reduced because that's what he's good at, building skyscrapers without any, you know, hey, boys, the ground's not level. He's like, just build it, it's fine.

It's on a slant. It's the slanted tower. We'll call it the slanted tower, even though that's racist. And so it's so, it's so much. I'm boggling because you're going, this is Trump's vaccine, this is his baby. I'm not getting it, and I'm now being called the far-right-wing Trump-supporting extremist. My head is going to explode. It was divided for a purpose, and then it was easy to go, oh, the far-right-wingers,

they're the ones that don't care about saving the planet or saving the elderly. And I think that divide into those two camps worked so good and is now the norm for everything in society. Is that joke on the right? People, even, I'll do shows in Florida and someone will go, hey, I love your conservative stuff. I love that you do conservative comedy. No, I'm, didn't you just hear? I just made fun of Trump and Biden. I made fun of the left and the right. And that vaccine bullshit has now created these two camps that it's going to be a miracle to break out of that. You know, that's so interesting. You said that I had that at a gig where I was doing lots, and I like to comment on politics and what's happening. Both, I tend to find myself

more on the left, on the right for certain things. Like, I think women exist, you know, that kind of thing. Controversial. You know what I mean? I think if you've got, you know, you know, boom with tits in a vagina, that makes you a woman, you know, kind of far right like that. What are you trying to do, ban us off YouTube, man? Calm down. I know, you know, so I think, but a lot of the stuff I'm sort to center, center left. Well, soon you're going to, it's going to be more like, You're not going to be able to say woman, you're going to have to go, yeah, one of them, one of those old chest feeders. Bleas and chest feeders, that's how you know.

Yeah, and I did the staff and whatever else, and I was talking about whatever I was talking about. There was a new material, and I came out, and I went, okay, that worked, that didn't, blah, blah, blah. And this guy came up to me and was just like, I really liked your conservative comedy. You know, it's like that right comment, like right-wing comedy. I liked it, and I'm like, that's not me. and then like in the same thing because black guy

came up to him went the racial stuff was good and I'm like what the fuck is going on do you know what I mean

like 10 years ago this would have just been comedy another guy's like I love the proud boys I love the woke far left slightly right

androgynous gender queer material like what why we've got to the stage that's the media though

that's Fox News and CNN that They owe everybody some of money for that. Because it became the two camps. And as soon as I stopped watching CNN, people go, oh, so you're a far-right Fox guy now. It's like, hello, what about the 99% in the middle?

Can we explore this for a little bit? Yeah. But you got to be firm. You can't. I just did a film with The Daily Wire. Yep. And just because Ben Shapiro is a conservative, and by the way, this is brought to you by ExpressVPN.

I have to say that, get 20% off. Because the owner's conservative, people are like, oh, you were in that conservative Western film. It's like, this was a classic Western film. There were no Trump rallies, you know, on horses or anything, you know. Make horses great again. There was no, it was just a Western film. And a great, easy target for.

comedians too. Like, oh, can you believe he's doing this far right film? I'm like, that was the only movie offer I've ever gotten in my life. And I've been auditioning for 17 years, probably thousands of times. I don't have options. And just because it's the Daily Wire doesn't mean it's this thing. And so hopefully that company will continue to make films that are just good. I love their attitude, that conservative thing. I'm not. I hate to break stupid Disney. They're not the good guys. You know, it's funny.

Yeah, if you actually met a lot of the owners of these corporations, most of them are likely conservative. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. They like... Excuse me, not when it comes to sexual practice. That's true. They're very liberal in that one.

Yeah. That's... Have you... Now, okay, so have you noticed a difference between London and New York as far as walking around and going, I don't know what... Could that be a man or a woman or... And I'm not even being, you know,

malicious here, but it's, I'm genuinely confused. Yeah. Oftentimes. It's a confusing time to live in. Everything is confusing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's confusing in ways that you don't know what you can joke about anymore. What was acceptable? Like, a week ago isn't acceptable now? Like, you can sit, a year ago, you could have made this joke, but now, like, we've all got examples of jokes. This is why I like what Tyler is saying, though, is like, we just, just all got to stop giving a shit. Yeah. You really do. And back to your finding the positive part of it. Yeah. There is a moment when you have to just go, all right, things are going good for us right now. Yeah. Let's ride that way. You could still make fun of, obviously, because there's a wealth of material.

And when people go, you're on the right now. I said, no, I made fun of Trump for four years. There's a new guy in town. He happens to be a Democrat. He also happens to be dying in front of our eyes of the apparently cancer and dementia, all these things. You know, you're a comedian. Go where the gold is. You have so much gold here. Well, this is why Boris Johnson, the Conservative Party leader in our country, we're supposed to be right wing.

We were taking the piss out of him for the entire time he was in office. Sure. Right? Because that's what you're supposed to fucking do. Yeah. You're a comedian. You're supposed to, and particularly if you're political, as we both are, you're supposed to make fun of the thing that's happening.

That's your job. Yeah. Right. You're not on a team. You're not a pro-labor comedian or a pro-consert. But a lot of people pick that team. And then they have the fucking audacity to say that because we refuse to pick a team, we pick the wrong team. Exactly. That's how it works, right? They picked the left team. Right. And we're going, we're just going to be objective in the middle, which makes us the evil guys on the right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's how they've done it. A lot of it started. I don't think a lot of people made fun of Obama. I think that was the beginning of there's certain people based on what they look like that you can't make fun of. And I think I certainly took a break for eight years making fun of politics. I plenty made fun of George Bush before.

Of course. I mean, Obama was a very different character to Bush. He had whatever you think of his policies, he had an air of respectability. He was a great orator. He was presidential. Yeah, he wasn't making up words like Bush, just kind of, you know, it's fantastic, it's wonderful. It's wondertastical. Just daily making up words, yeah. Obama was cool. But I was still afraid to make fun. Oh, but that's big, this is the other part I was coming to, which is I think a lot of people, and I include myself on this, invested all our sort of like, all that time we spent jerking off of Martin Luther King. We channeled that into Obama, you know what I mean?

Right, right. Like, he was the vision that we'd all be. working to finally we'd arrived at this great society. By the way, you don't hear about Martin Luther King anymore. No, no, he's racist. He's a coconut, Mike. Coconut, yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's why I'm...

But this is my point. Like, all of us who were just like, I don't want to live in a racist society. I want society to move forward. I want us to get to a point where anyone of any race can do anything. That's the dream that our generation, that's what we were looking towards. Right. And then this guy comes along and he's, you know, he's a great speaker. he manages to persuade a hell of a lot of people.

He's clean, as Joe Biden said. Yeah. Right. And then everyone sort of invests into that because we think finally, look, look, just shut up about it. We've done it. We got there. We're in a good place. We're in a healthy place.

I think that's why a lot of people were extra careful about him because it's like, don't fuck with this great thing that we finally got to. Sure. Well, this is also what, it's just interesting. he's a black man. He's also just as much a white man as he's a black man. So it's like with you, we can conveniently choose when he's white, when he's black. It's more like with Francis, actually, because Francis is obviously half Venezuelan, his mother's very dark woman. He's turned out like this. Obama's kind of like that. Yeah, I am like Obama, mate. You know what I mean? It's always been

my fantasy to bomb the shit out of the Middle East. But it's a way we racially categorize people that it's just so ridiculous. It just is. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's starting to eat itself up. I'm telling comedians who kind of secretly come to me now, I go, just sit back and enjoy the show. Because if there's a new rule every day that no one's approved of, it's all starting to eat itself up. And a great example was we had a...

Not a barista. A guy at a bodega or a Bogoda, as Jill Biden calls it. A lot of taco people eat there. You'll find a lot of breakfast tacos eating tacos at the Bogodas. A guy who was, I believe Middle Eastern or something, was attacked by a black man. And the guy's girlfriend even came in and tried stabbing the Middle Eastern guy. The guy was given a knife and stabbed and killed the black guy. Okay, this is a case of self-defense.

This is a new thing. And racism. No white person involved. Yeah. So what do you do? Well, the less dark guy got punished. I don't know he was defending himself. He was charged with murder.

Yeah. I mean, the thing is. on tape, it is clear as day. And so to me, I go, here comes the real show, because now what do you do when there's no white person to blame? Now you have to pick one because that's what they're in the business of doing. Well, if you do justice on the basis of people's skin color, skin color, instead of what they've actually done, then you eventually get to this point where it gets that ridiculous. And I'm sorry. I was just going to say, and also, I know that here in New York, in terms of compensation and support that was offered to people

post-lockdown, that was racially allocated. And Coleman Hughes, you were sitting in that chair only yesterday, explained. Just met him too. Yeah, explained basically how, if you were white, you didn't get anything. And if you were from a different demographic than you did. Like it's going to get to a point where it's just ridiculous, like you say, with this particular. Well, when it gets personal too, so everyone's going to have to hit their like woke rock bottom,

woke bottom, whatever you want to call it. That's when it is. You're going to reach a point and it's going to likely be financial or a job was taken away or your daughter's job. It's like the people that come after me, I go, well, what if your white daughter was told fuck off you're white, you can't be an actor? You're just going to like let that go. And so it's going to reach a point in everyone's life where it's too much. I had a gay, Colombian or something, he was gay and something else, not white. It's easy to say that.

gay not white comedian reach out to me got a TV offer for a TV show but he looked too white they told him so he's gay he's Colombian but he wasn't dark enough so it was going to be a tough sell for them so yeah we know you suck dick but yeah and I think that was you knew that DM yeah and so you know that was both shocking and not shocking to get that message from him because I make fun of everyone, including anyone who's gay or not gay or whatever. So classically, he would not be someone reaching out to me or wanting support, but he reached out for some support. And so here I am, a white guy offering support to a gay Colombian guy who didn't get the job because he can reference that I'm talking about this and taking legal action. So the tide is already gone back.

I think a lot of comedians, a lot of people are still going into this tidal wave. That's actually already on the way back. And we're up here swimming. It'd be nice, you know, if the ocean was a little colder in here, but we're swimming, we're swimming with the tide, I think. Yeah. It's an interesting way to look at it. It is a very interesting way to look at it.

I think the reason as well, a lot of people are starting to wake up is just because the trans shit is so insanely mental. You crossed the line with the tramp. I told you. But it's just so insane. You're just listening to what them saying. Like, anyone can be a woman. If I identify as a woman, I'm a woman, you're like, come on.

And there's no such thing as a woman. Yeah. That's the thing. It's fun. We're watching these car wrecks every day where their two made-up ideas are just colliding. And it's so fun. It is. It is a lot.

The woman's monster. I don't know if you saw this. They tweeted today saying a trans woman are women. I didn't hear about the Women's March. I was at the chest feeding birthing purse in March. The Bleeder Convention. You were at the Bleeder Convention. Anyway, I like the positive note that we had there for a second before France

took it in a negative direction as you want to. It's good to end on a positive note. And I think you're right. I think the tide is helpful to where we are. but it's going to take a long time for other people to catch up, I think. Yeah. It's going to take some time. Tyler, it's been great having you on.

Before we ask you a couple of questions from our supporters that only they get to see. Sure. The last question. Join locals. Sorry. Join locals and see those answers there. The last question when we always ask is, what is the one thing that we're not talking about as a society that you think

really should be? In America or England. Wherever you want, my brother is. Here's a great one. Back to the joke that the bartender told me, not to say, is the execution of the tip of the penis, formerly known as circumcision. In America, it's so taboo to even talk about it.

And so for me, that's something I'm trying to talk about more. I have a joke about it in my new special because I was made fun of as a kid for not being circumcised. And the more research I do, I find out, wait a minute, funny enough, it's, there's the reason that skin is on the penis. So what is that like in England? Is it common? It's not, it's not, it's more common, far more common to be uncircle. Okay, prove it. And on. So, here we go. Yeah, yeah. So, so that's, I find to be very interesting because it's so taboo here. Yeah. And you have parents going, I don't want anyone vaccinating my kids or doing anything

medical, yet their baby comes out and they go, you want us to cut his dick off? They go, yeah, take them. And they're letting that happen. I think they're doing circumcision wrong in America, if that's what they're doing. Just cutting his dick off. It's a little far. We cut off the left ball and the tip. Yeah, you want them to be right wing. Yeah, you take off the ball. That's how we get it back centered. But in America, it is so taboo. And I tell you, when I talk about it on stage, people are sweating and they're terrified. And I tell this story in my special, but all of our friends drew pictures of their penises

with chalk on the blacktop, and it was all round penises. And I drew mine as a triangle trying to represent, you know, I was only eight. And they were like, what the fuck is that? Is that a witch's hat? Is that an elephant trunk? And so I started to get bullied

from eight years old on, and I even, it's the reason I dropped out of college. Really? Yes, because I was dating woman. I was so afraid of her seeing my penis because in pop culture, we make fun of it on Seinfeld. It's known as this like horrendous monster dick. And I was so afraid to show her my penis. And then I became depressed and I lost my, and I dropped out of school. Wow.

Let me tell you something, man, there is nothing wrong with a triangular penis. Exactly. Thank you. There's nothing wrong with going full sharp A, my friend. Exactly. Tyler Fisher, so great to have you on. Where can people find your stuff online? Uncumcised.com.

It's a support group. We're trying to get it. Uncut. Well, my jokes are uncut. You can go to Tylerfisher.com. It's F-I-S-C-H-E-R. I have a Patreon. Tyler Talks.

Patreon.com slash Tyler Talks. My comedy special will be out on Patreon in the next few weeks. And then all social media platforms, tie the fish, T-Y-the-F-I-S-C-H. Fantastic. And just look for the witch's cap is my penis. It's my penis picture. Fantastic stuff, Ben. Tyler, thanks so much for coming on.

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