TRIGGERnometry - Jimmy Dore: "They Won't Let the Great Unwashed Have a Voice"

Episode Date: February 6, 2022

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Everything is happening in the United States. It's to keep us divided because once the people wake up to who the real enemy is, which is the establishment, meaning Joe Biden, Donald Trump, the Republicans and the Democrats, and soon as they wake up to that, that's when the establishment's in trouble. So they have to keep us fighting. Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kishin.

And this is a show for you. if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Delighted to say our brilliant guest today is a comedian, YouTube, and political commentator, Jimmy Dole. Welcome to Trigonometry. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. It's a great pleasure to have you. And listen, one of the things we've been talking about a lot on the show is how the polarization we saw politically in the last few years

has now made its way into the COVID conversation. I know that you and I and Francis have all found that in our case, We recently had COVID, and some people thought that even talking about having COVID is like selling out and we're sponsored by Pfizer now, which is, of course, you know, nonsense. It's Moderna. But right. But with you, it was even weirder because you got the jab, you got double jabbed, and people were like, well, you trust the government now, and you were like, no, I trust

my doctor. And then you had some side effects from the vaccine, which were quite serious, I understand. And when you talked about it, people were like, you were anti-vax. for talking about. So what do you make of this whole place that we find ourselves in? Yeah, it's remarkable how they can turn everything into the culture wars in the United States.

And right now, there's a big interest in the United States in keeping America fighting each other. And the problem wasn't Trump. The problem was that the Trump supporters flex their muscle, just like the people did in Britain when they passed Brexit.

And so they can't let the Great Unwashed have a voice in politics. And so that's why these culture wars in the United States have been ramped up like crazy and everything is a culture war. And they're afraid of people like Joe Rogan and me who actually speaks to a broad audience. So they've tried to make the fact that I appeal, You know, I'm a populist, and the fact that I try to work with people who wouldn't be considered lefty because we agree on issues like ending wars, getting health care to people, police brutality, stuff like that, you know, student debt, marijuana, all kinds of stuff that we agree on across the aisle, as they used to say. And that used to be a good thing. But now that actually scares the shit out of the establishment.

So anybody in the United States who tries to actually force change against the establishment by working together on ideas instead of politics, that scares them. So when I had a thing to get them to vote on, it was called forced to vote here. the United States. And I was going to get them to try to get them to flex their muscle to force a vote in the Congress to bring Medicare for all to everybody in the United States. You know, we don't have that because our government is run by corporations. We live in an oligarchy, and that's not hyperbole. Those are facts. Those have been proven by a Princeton study. We live in an oligarchy. We don't have a democracy. Our democracy was stolen from us a long time ago.

And now they want to pretend that what happened on January 6th was a threat to our democracy. We don't have a democracy. That was a threat to our oligarchy, but it wasn't really a threat at all. So everything is happening in the United States. It's to keep us divided because once the people wake up to who the real enemy is, which is the establishment, meaning Joe Biden, Donald Trump, the Republicans, and the Democrats, And soon as they wake up to that, that's when the establishment's in trouble. So they have to keep us fighting.

And everything now is a culture war, and including the vaccines, right? And everybody on the left decided to be uncritical of the vaccines, the vaccine mandate, of visor, of Dr. Fauci, of anything that has to do with COVID policy. if you have a critique of it, you're immediately slammed as an anti-vaxxer. Look what happened to Eric Clapton. Eric Clapton got the vaccine, got injured by the vaccine, and immediately he's the worst person in the world because he told people about his reaction to the vaccine.

That's not how science is supposed to work. It happened to me too. So when I got injured by the vaccine, I was still sick about five weeks after my second jab. And so I tweeted it out. I said, hey, I'm still having all these symptoms. And people started calling me anti-vax and a liar. And that's not how science works.

We know that there are adverse reactions to vaccines. That's why there's a thing called Bayers. And so you're supposed to go report them. Everybody knows. And what helps make science better is people telling you their reactions to medicines and vaccines. And so you can make them better. better. But that's not what this is about. This is about you shutting up and going along with the corporate narrative. And if you don't, you're going to get in trouble. You're going to get,

it's a cult. What has happened in the United States is the Democratic Party became a cult under Donald Trump. And they pushed an evidence-free conspiracy theory called Russiagate for four straight years. They didn't accept the results of the 2016 election. They said Donald Trump was a traitor to our country. He was working for Russia. the election was rigged and there was a coup that happened in our country and Russia committed it along with Donald Trump. So as soon as Donald Trump loses his election, he starts saying the same thing. And that's illegal. You can't do that.

The Democrats and the establishment did it for four straight years. But as soon as Donald Trump and the Republicans do the exact same thing, that's illegal. You can't do that. You can't mention it on YouTube. You can't mention you're considered a conspiracy number. and you'll have your channel taken down. In fact, Primo Nutmeg, he did have a video taken down, or Primo Radical, he calls himself down,

because he just took a question about January 6th and about voter fraud. And anyway, so that's how much, so when they have to censor like that, that tells me they're afraid. And they don't censor people who are actually crazy and don't give me, and don't have anything to say.

I remember when they started censoring, it was just going to be Alex Jones. And everybody was on the left. And I'm like, you fucking morons, you're an independent news space on YouTube. Don't you think this is going to come? You don't see how this works. You have no sense of history. And I said this on the Young Turks to one of the COOs of the Young Turks on air. I said you're an idiot because as soon as you say something that goes against the Estabwe, they're going to come for you.

And now look who's getting a censored. Everybody's getting censored. It went from Alex Jones. Now it goes to the guy who invented the mRNA vaccine technology. Now he's not allowed to talk on social media anymore. So it started with Alex Jones. It went to RFK Jr. They banned a Kennedy.

Then they banned Donald Trump, a president of the United States. And now they're banning the guy who invented the mRNA vaccine technology. And the Democrats are cheering it on. the people who consider themselves left. But if you're voting for Joe Biden, you're voting for an extreme right winger. And that's what people in America don't understand. In any other country, Joe Biden would be considered an extreme right winger. Why would you say that, Jimmy?

Because he's against universal health care. If anybody in any other country is against universal health care, I'm pretty sure they're considered an extreme right winger. So this is the world we're living in now, where everything is politicized in the United States. And then the people who voted for Joe Biden repeat the establishment narrative that fuels this culture war. Kyle Rittenhouse is a perfect example. Kyle Rittenhouse, they shot three people in Kenosha, Wisconsin during a riot where they were setting buildings on fire.

And people were attacking him. He shot three of them. It was, they called him a racist and a white supremacist for a year straight. And then the trial happened and nobody realized he, he had only shot white people. And he'd only shot white people who were attacking him. And I said, boy, he must be a real remedial white supremacist because he only shoots white people.

He doesn't, maybe he's calling blind and he doesn't know how to be a white supremacist. So, and just saying that, just me saying that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three white people, people call me a right winger for saying that. I'm not kidding. So the biggest, the most attention I got, and that's why I, I go by Jimmy the Dirtback left was when I had on what they call a boogaloo boy. No, boogaloo boys are different from proud boys. And proud boys are known to be a very extreme white nationalist group, far-right political types, right?

Hang on a second, Jimmy. I don't know a lot about the proud boys, but isn't there leader Latino? Isn't he like a Puerto Rico dude? I don't know anything. I really don't know much about the proud boys. I had a boogaloo boy on. So I saw, I brought on a boogaloo boys. Now the boogaloo boys were invented as a reaction to the proud boys, right?

There are people who are gun nuts and they're called liberal. They call themselves libertarians. But they're, they're anti-racist. They're pro-Black Lives Matter. They provided security for Black Lives Matter protests. They're pro-LGBQ. In fact, the guy I interviewed was gay. And they were reaching out to people.

people across every political spectrum in peace. And they said, we need to come together. So I brought that guy on my show. I interviewed him. That's when I got all these hit pieces written on me in New York Magazine, Newsweek. They all came out and wrote these hit pieces. And then I trended on Twitter for three days because they had all their trolls on Twitter come after me. And it made me trend for three days.

I loved it. And attention is great. So, Jimmy, Jimmy, can I, Can I ask you a question? Because I feel you and I are quite similar where we are politically. So a little bit of background about me. I was a stand-up comedian for 11 years. Before that, I was a teacher for many years. I worked in some of the poorest boroughs in London. With kids, you know, real desperate situations, real poverty. I have never been described by anybody, particularly my friends on the right, as being on the right.

But immediately you start questioning the left narrative. You questioned, like, I had a friend jumped down my throat because I took the piss out of Kamala Harris, right? You can't tell you. Why is that? Why is it that they have a narrative? It's a cult. Go for it.

Explain it. Because it's a goddamn cult. Well, it happened to me when I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton. The Democratic Party and the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, and Hillary Clinton were revealed through WikiLeaks to be completely cruel. corrupt and they rigged the 2016 primary, which is why three people had to step down from the DNC, including the chair when it was revealed.

And I was like, I'm not voting for this. I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton. She's the worst. And, you know, eight years of Barack Obama, so that there's, Barack Obama governed exactly like Ronald Reagan would have, or John McCain or Mitt Romney. There was no difference between Barack Obama. and a Republican. He ramped up the wars. He took us from two wars to seven. He deported more Hispanics and put those kids in case. He deported more Hispanics than Donald Trump did by double.

And so it's just he puts a pretty face on the horrible stuff our government was doing. And so I'm, I'm not going to vote for Hillary Clinton to put a nice face on the horrible stuff we're doing. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden. Joe Biden is just Donald Trump but demented. I think we will lead with that quote for this interview, Jimmy. Listen, you're making some very interesting points and I almost regret having asked you about COVID

because I'm tired of talking about it and the point you're making a far more interesting to me. So let's delve more into that because you talked about how America is not a democracy. You talked about a Princeton study to the people that already are aware of you and your positions, that will make sense. but to a lot of our audience, I don't think they've ever heard that.

So what the hell are you talking about when America is the beacon of democracy and everyone in the world looks up to America? Like what's wrong with American democracy, Jimmy? Well, American democracy runs on cash, and the cash comes from corporations and billionaires, and that's who they serve. So if you remember, Nome Chomsky wrote a book called Manufacturing Consent, taught you how the establishment news actually just manufactures consent

for the people who own them. And that's the same thing for the politicians. They're owned. So they can't run without cash. And we have forever political campaigns. So politicians are forever fundraising. Joe Biden's first campaign stop was with a bunch of executives from Comcast, right? Which has always voted the worst company to work for in the world.

Comcast, a huge media company in the United States. And he promised them. that nothing will fundamentally change. And it's not. We don't have a living wage. We don't have student debt relief. We don't have health care. We don't even have a public option.

And Joe Biden has more deaths with the vaccine that Donald Trump had without. So their politicians are beholden to their donor class. We call it the donor class. And those are the oligarchs. And they'll even say it. I did a segment one time where a billionaire was on MSNBC. complaining and warning Nancy Pelosi that if she doesn't stop demonizing billionaires,

he's going to take their money away from the Democratic Party. And so they give orders to politicians. Who does? The billionaire class, Wall Street. Those are the people who run our country, which is why 80% of workers live paycheck to paycheck in the United States. 50% of all wage earners earned less than $30,000 a year. And 50% of Americans can't afford a $400 emergency. So that's what happens. So I always try to tell people, what do you call a system that takes the richest country

the face of the earth has ever seen and deems half of it people poor or low income? You call that a failed system. And so we're living in a failed system. It's an oligarchy. They did a study in Princeton, and it revealed that if you are in the, Bottom 90% of wage earners, if your desires is never reflected in legislation.

But let's say if you're in the upper 10% of the wealthy in the United States, and let's say, so there's a direct correlation. If they want something, it becomes legislation. The bottom 90%, it doesn't become legislation. They have no representation, basically. So that's why I say we live in an oligarchy. It was proven. We all know it, but it had to be proven through a study.

They've proved it. And so our democracy has been taken. We should have health care. Republicans and Democrats both favor a single-payer health care system in the United States. They won't even, not only will they not vote on it or give it to us, they won't even talk about it. They're not even talking about it. So that's what I mean when I say we live in an oligarchy. And I see.

And what's interesting to me is obviously, The reason people accuse you of being right-wing is you're happy to go on a show like Tucker Carlson or talk to people who are who you agree with on certain issues. Right. Do you not worry, and I'm curious, I'm not making this accusation, but I'm curious whether you don't worry about working with people on whom you might disagree on some other very profound issues? No. I don't worry about that. If anybody's against war, I'll work with them to end war. If anybody is for Julian Assange and press freedom, I'll work with them.

And if half the country needs to hear the message, I'll go on a show that speaks to half the country to give my message to them. Tucker Carlson said one of the last times I was on his show, he said that I changed his mind on Julian Assange through the power of my arguments. And that's exactly what used to be the gold standard as a lefty, is that you're supposed to have a message for people. You're supposed to have a message for people who are disaffected and being oppressed by the establishment. You're supposed to have a message for him. But in the United States now, like when I brought on that guy who was a boogaloo boy, that was the end, because that was the left, populist left and the populist right coming together. And that's the thing they scares them the most. So they had to stop that.

And when I go on Tucker Carlson, that's me, the populist left, speaking to the populist right. And they can't have that. So they got to stop that. You know, Democrats have been going on Fox News forever. I mean, Bill O'Reilly had on Barack Obama. Diane Feinstein, it was to be a regular on Fox News Sunday. They go on, everybody goes on Fox News because they speak to half the country. But as soon as you go on Fox News to actually bring an anti-establishment message to half the country,

that's when it's right wing and you're a bad person and you're supporting all the bad things in the world. And people like to make Tucker Carlson out to be worse than Nancy, than Rachel Maddow. No, I don't. Rachel Maddow pushed an evidence-free conspiracy theory that red-baited the president of the United States. She's for censorship. She's for our foreign entanglements. She's pro-war, which makes her, it's got blood on her hands. And she props up the system that gives us these wars. And she lies to the American people on the regular. She's lying about COVID at nuclear speed at the top of her lungs all the time. And of course, it'll never get censored because she's lying. in to prop up the corporate narrative. So if you lie at the behest of the establishment, there's never a price to pay. But if you tell the truth that blows up the narrative of the establishment, that's when you'll be taken down and you'll be smeared.

Look what they do to Glenn Greenwald now. Look what they do to Matt Taibi. Look what they do to anybody who challenges the establishment status quo. You're immediately deemed a white nationalist, a racist, a right winger, a grifter. They only do that. That's amazing. All through COVID, I ended every one of my shows by saying, keep your money. Nobody has a job right now because we're in a lockdown.

So keep your money. At the same time, every other YouTuber was begging for donations and doing fundraising campaigns, but then they call me the grifter. I don't take any corporate money. I take my money from my donors and they can't stand. So that's how, so because I have brought appeal and people on the populace right share the ideas that I'm actually pushing for and I'll work with them, that's a threat. And they have to stop that. And that's the more we're in now. Hey, Francis, would you like to learn another language?

No, mate. Already know foreign languages perfectly. O'y, Gary, who a libiblieotheca? You can't go on holiday, mate, without knowing where the swimming pool is. Le Bibliotech is the library, you idiot. Exactly. You can never be too far away from knowledge and start. sexually frustrated librarians. For those of you who do want to learn a language and connect with another culture or maybe just brush up in your Spanish for the next holiday, Babel is the app for you.

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That's B-A-B-B-E-L.com forward slash play. promo code Trigger. I use Babel and look at me now. I can't have Spanish absolutely perfect. Gary? Jimmy, why is it, right? That I look at somebody who still considers myself to be on the left. What you're saying, practically everything I agree with and I support. Except they're not taking money. I'm half Latin American. It's what we do. It's our culture. Stop judging, right? Okay, but here's the thing, Jimmy. Why is it that I look at people on the left? They don't talk about

this. They talk about identity politics, ad nauseam, and to the point where what they talk about has got no relevance to the vast majority of people, either who live in America or in the UK. The people outside the big cities, the average person struggling month on month just to make it to the end of the month. Why is it they don't talk on that, and why is it they focus on these ridiculous subjects that nobody cares about? only a tiny percentage of people care about. Oh, because they've, so the establishment, again, in lieu of actually doing something to improve your life,

what they do is they distract you by putting someone in power who looks like you to also suppress you and oppress you, right? So the joke I do, if it was 1860, the Democrats would be bragging about their first transgendered slave owner. And so that's what they do. It's obvious that's what they. And so the establishment is co-opted identity politics, and they use it against people. They use it to keep people from doing anything for them that would help their economics or their financial, anything that would help.

So we're not going to give you health care, but we'll have a gay black person to keep it from you, right? Just that's what Barack Obama was. Barack Obama was the black guy to come do the bidding of Wall Street. and so everybody got fools because it's a black guy. You wouldn't think that he would be a tool of Wall Street, the military industrial complex, Big Pharma. And by the way, Barack Obama said he wouldn't sign a health care bill that didn't have a public option.

He signed a health care bill that didn't have a public option. And he never gave us, but he gave us a right-wing health care plan that is for profit. And a minute that Barack Obama passed that health care plan, the stock prices of health insurance companies, a big farmer went through the roof because they knew that was a giveaway to them, not to people. people still go bankrupt. I went bankrupt. I got sick in the United States. I had a bone problem.

I had his health insurance. I went fucking bankrupt. Everybody goes bankrupt and everybody knows it. And that's why everybody wants to have universal health care, Medicare for all the United States. Now, and I just want to make this point before I go any further until Lawrence O'Donnell hosts a show here on MSNBC. and he used to work for a guy who ran the Senate for a while, right? So he knows politics and he knows Democratic politics. And Lawrence O'Donnell said one time before he had a show, he said that you'll never get the Democratic Party to come to your point of view. You can't pull them left until you're willing to show you're not going to vote for them.

And so that's the thing that they're not willing to do. So people who voted for Bernie Sanders voted for Hillary Clinton, people who voted for Bernie Sanders voted for Joe Biden. And I tried to tell them until you're willing to not vote for Democrats and stop donating to them, you'll never have a change in government. You're going to keep getting this. And so that's what I've been trying to start another major party. Well, I've been, I'm not trying. Other people are doing it. I'm just trying to help them. And that's, and Ralph Nader made the same point in 2000. So 21 years ago, Ralph Nader said what we need to get is 10 to 15 million people, not that we can win the national election, but we can, we are the kingmakers because

nobody can get elected without us. And that's what we should have did. We didn't. Bernie Sanders is a charlatan because he preached revolution, but what he did was he took all that revolutionary energy from the progressives, and he followed it right back into the pro-wall street, pro-war, anti-worker party where it dies. And that's exactly. So that's what Chama Suwan, who's an elected Socialist in Seattle on my show, she said the road inside the Democratic Party for progressives leads to a graveyard. So there's no future in the, so if I want $15 minimum wage, I'm going to have to fight the Democrats. If I want health care, I'm going to have to fight the Democrats. If I want to end the wars, I'm going to have to fight the Democrats. If I want immigration reform,

going to have to fight the Democrats. If I want prison reform, going to have to fight the Democrats. what you want to get done, there's a Democrat standing in your way. And that's the problem. And one more thing I'd like to say about mandates is they don't make sense from a worker perspective. I had on a Marxist economist Richard Wolf on my show that said it's ridiculous that the left is pushing for mandates and ostracizing anybody who's any workers who are against them. You're just pushing them into the hands of the right wing. We should be using those people who are against, who are anti-authority as in our political process and our political, but they're letting them go.

That's one. The second reason why I'm against mandates is because they've been lying to us about the effects of vaccines since they started. First, they said that vaccine stopped the virus and they stopped you from transmitting it or getting it. Well, they don't do that. And they always knew that, but they lied to us. And I just saw a headline today, the fact that it from Australia,

the fact that half the patients in the ICU are vaccinated proves that the vaccine is working. That's a real headline. I just tweeted out. That's a real headline. So if you can transmit the virus and you can contract the virus if you're vaccinated. And every, by the way, here's another thing. People don't know. Everyone's going to get coronavirus.

There's no getting out of this. The virus is never going away and it's always going to be here. They never tell you that on the news and they never tell you no matter how many fucking masks you wear or how many vaccines you take, you are still going to get that fucking virus. And no matter how many quarantines or how many vaccine passports, you are still getting fucking coronavirus.

That is a bullshit tactic. And so if you're going to get the coronavirus, who the fuck do you? And you can still spread it if you're vaccinated and you can still contract it if you're vaccinated. Who the fuck do you care if you get it from someone who's vaccinated or unvaccinated? That doesn't make logical sense.

And when I ask people that question, they start to do circular logic. They talk in circles. And it doesn't make so you're going to get coronavirus. Who do you care if you get it from? What you should be doing is being prepared to get it. And they never tell you that. How do you prepare to get it, Jimmy? Well, you get your vitamin D3 way up.

You get your vitamin K2, way up. You get your zinc up. You can find out where you can get monoclonal antibodies when you get sick. They don't talk about orophlovoxamine, which has been proven to bit. And then they also suppress the early treatments. They also, I urge everyone to go to the NIH's own website and look up ivermectin and the studies they did with COVID. The best you can get is the CDC will say, there's not enough evidence to recommend

for ivermectin or against it. But they did tell everybody it was a horse medicine. They did lie to everybody and tell everybody that a medicine that was on the WHO's list of essential medicines is somehow poison and you're a crazy person if you take it, even though it's one of the safest drugs in history and it's been prescribed over three billion times. That's the power of big pharmacists spring on the media in the United States. And those are the same people who control our politicians. So that's where we're at. And that's why vaccine mandates are fucking bullshit.

Well said. Yeah, well said. And I'm glad to see you sitting on the fence, Jimmy. Well, nobody can answer that question. If there's a vaccinated person who has coronavirus and an unvaccinated person who has coronavirus, why do you care who? Right. I think you're going to fucking get it. Yeah, absolutely.

Look, we've made these very points, even in our episode where we talked about our experience of getting COVID. We had it quite badly. But one of the points that I think everyone agrees with now, especially with Omicron, which is so contagious, has an R of 10, right? Everyone's going to get it.

And so in addition to all the things you listed, you can lose weight, by the way. You can get in shape, all of these things that haven't been talking. I lost 25 pounds during COVID. I lost 25 pounds during COVID just because I had to cook at home. Yeah. And they don't tell people that. That most of the people who end up in the hospital are obese, elderly with comorbidities.

It's not healthy people. Most of the people are obese. They don't tell you that. They don't tell you. By the way, vitamin D3, all those, those make a huge difference, not a little, a huge difference. Go ahead. Yeah, well, Jimmy, I was going to ask you, one of the things that, look, I am not perfect and I'm biased in my own ways and I make mistakes. But one of the things that I always do try to be and pride myself on being as much as I can and I fail, but I do, is to be intellectually consistent, right?

So, for example, if I were on the left, I don't know, two minutes ago, and I believe that Big Pharma, the root of all evil, and the evilest corporations in the world, and they're all about money, and they don't give a shit about actually treating people and helping them, and then a pandemic comes along, and Big Pharma comes out with the product, I wouldn't necessarily immediately go,

oh, Big Farmer's the best thing ever. I think they're really looking after people. But there seems to be a thing, and that's just one example out of hundreds. because when Donald Trump closed the border, that was racist. And now we have the Guardian, the most left-wing newspaper in the country going, we need to shut the border. And that people can seem to not be able to understand that there's a connection

between that same act irrespective of who's doing it. So what is it about the sort of that way of thinking that allows people to completely bypass any previous things they've thought, any previous things they've said, and just go, this is now the message. I'm going to believe this now. And it's counter to everything I've said for my entire life, but I'm okay. So fear. I mean, that's how, if they can make you afraid enough,

if they can find your fear button, they can control you. And that's what's happening. Look at Noam Chomsky. He lost his mind. Noam Chomsky lost his fucking mind. He's so afraid. You see he's afraid to go get his haircut. And if you believe in the vaccines, that's what it's another thing.

If you believe in the vaccines, why are you afraid? Why are you shitting your pants about catching the virus? If you believe in the vaccine, why won't you go get your fucking haircut? If the vaccines work and you're going to mandate that other people take them, which is what Chomsky wants to do, must have forced a medical procedure against people's will. And if they don't go along with it, he said we should isolate them from society. And when asked, what about them getting food, he said, that's their problem. That's how fucking crazy Chomsky is now.

and I'm one of the only guys who'll call him out. And he won't come on my show. He'll go on anybody's show to answer questions. He won't come on my show because he knows he's fucking wrong about this. He's wrong on the science. He was wrong on force to vote for fuck's sake. Anyway, he's turned. Chomsky has really let a lot of people down.

He's every four year he tells you to vote for Democrats, no matter what, as if it makes a difference. He said he had to vote for Joe Biden because of climate change. Joe Biden just gave. have more fracking permits than fuck and more drilling permits on national land than trump ever did it's all bullshit it's all we it's a one party rule and when guys like chomsky pretend it's not they're doing a disservice to everybody when he pretends the democratic party is somehow better the democratic party is the enabler they're the pretty face of horrible corporate destruction

that's what baroque obama that was brock obama was the black santa claus for wall street So I forget your question, though. Don't worry about the question, Jimmy. You're doing fine without me. Jimmy, here's a question for you. I've always seen authoritarianism as being the problem, the rights problem by and large, you know, when I grew up. Now, obviously, you know, the communism, blah, blah, blah.

But I've seen authoritarianism and the love for authoritarianism and the desire for authoritarianism and the desire for vaccination. vaccine mandates spring up with people on the left, people who I would never have believed in my wildest dreams, people like Chomsky. They would believe in this and that they would support these policies. What the fuck has happened? Fear is all I can say. They've turned their pro-censorship.

They did a poll. People who consider themselves lefty. Again, you're not lefty if you voted for Joe Biden. Joe Biden's an extreme right winger, but the people who traditionally were considered left are now for censorship. Well, when Hillary Clinton ran for president, Chuck Schumer, who is the Democratic Party leader in the Senate, he said on a talk show that they didn't care if they lost blue-collar workers as their voting base. The Democrats said this. They go, for every blue collar voter we lose, we're going to gain two and three white collar Republicans in the suburbs. So they're literally saying we're trying to get Republicans to vote for us.

And that's kind of what has happened. The Democratic Party became the party of big business, Wall Street, the military industrial complex. And now we have two parties representing them. Nobody represents the workers. Nobody. And so that's where we're left with in America. Again, I forgot the question. Well, Jimmy, it's not just America.

I mean, we have the same problem here in the UK where the Labor Party, it's literally called the Labor Party, went from being, you know, people who went through the trade unions and miners and train off, you know, whatever. Now they're all, you know, highly educated. They went to Oxford. They studied politics and economics or whatever. as all diversity or whatever is that, you know, whatever is that they study. And that party, I think, is less representative of working people than even the Conservative Party,

which got elected on the backs of working people in northern areas and elected an old atonian, like the very embodiment of privilege and a complete clown, as it turns out, as well, and Boris Johnson. But on that. So it seems to be not just in the US, this is happening in other countries as well. well where that portion of the left just really doesn't give a shit about the people that actually used to form the base of their party. Yeah, and that's why guys like Donald Trump got elected. That's why I think, that's why I think things like Brexit happen. They realize they don't

have any political representation. I know they don't, I mean, I don't know that much about the UK. I know Jeremy Corbyn, as soon as he advocates for the workers, that he gets called an anti-Semite, you know, any way to smear him is you. can, just like they do me. I mean, if you're actually going to advocate for workers, you're a threat and they're going to try to smear you. It's, there's, there is no represent, I mean, neoliberalism, people don't know what that is, but it's both. We don't know what that is. What is neoliberalism? Explain it to us, Jimmy. To me, it's the, it's the, it's, it's, you'll, you're, it's identity politics, right?

It's your liberal on all, on the surface, you know, the words of democracy, but you serve the corporations and you don't serve the people. And it's about imperialism, the United States, about invading poor brown countries, stealing their natural resources, funneling them to huge corporations. To me, that's what I think of neoliberalism. That's what I think. A liberal is supposed to be somebody who's anti-authoritarian. A liberal is supposed to be somebody who's for the people, for freedom, for freedom of speech. Neol liberals are the exact opposite. They're for censorship. They're against workers. They're against unions. They're for the corporations. I mean, to me, that's what I think of. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I'm not an academic. That's for sure. I'm also a comedian. A nightclub comedian entertaining drunks my whole career. And then it turns out the news is so shitty. It's so corrupted in the United States that I can do a way better job than people who get millions and millions of dollars to do the news. The news is just propaganda in the United States. 100%. And at the moment, Joe Rogan seems to be fighting his own personal battle against them

by platforming all the people, you know, who have their accounts taken down, etc., etc. How long can this go on for, Jimmy? Because a populace and its citizens that no longer have faith in the media shows that society is broken as far as I'm concerned. That's right. And that's why Joe Rogan gets 11 million downloads per podcast. and CNN gets less than a million people watching theirs. So, I mean, he's just destroying them. And why? Because he's not propaganda.

Joe Rogan is an honest actor and people sense it. And he reaches across the aisle. He endorsed Bernie Sanders, but they want to make him seem like he's a crazy right winger because that's what a cult does. And the Democratic Party is a cult. And look what happened to Sarah Silverman. Look what happened to Pat Nosswald. Sarah Silverman criticized an MSNBC newsreader for lying.

And she did lie. And she was media and the newsreader was African American. She was immediately pilloried as a racist as a person. You would never say that to a white woman. And she had to apologize. She had to apologize for criticizing a news person for lying. She goes, I'm sorry. She goes, oy, I didn't, I don't want any trouble.

And they did the same thing for me. And I said, guess what? I'm going to take some fucking trouble. I'm not going to knuckle under to the establishment. I'll take the trouble. I'm going to tell the truth. And when a news person's lying, I'm not going to go along with the fucking lie. And I'm not going to go along with the smear after I call out their lie.

And that's what they did. Look what Pat and Oswald did. Pat and Oswald took a picture with Dave Chappelle. He had to fucking have him do a mea copa because he took a picture with somebody. Or he's out of the cult. That's it. Sarah Silverman, you're out of the cult. Pat Nozzle, you're out of the cult and they will do anything to stay in the cult. Isn't that the problem, Jimmy? They do anything to stay in the cult. Yes. And actually, people like us, people like you, people like Joe Rogan will say, no, fuck you. And that means that we stand up and they become

less powerful. But the people who capitulate just make them more powerful. Yes, and that's sad. And I, you know, I sympathize with them. What are they going to, what are they supposed to do? Not work in show business anymore. They're in a tough spot. I, you know, I blame the culture. I don't blame them. But Joe Rogan's kicking everyone's ass and he's not going to stop.

And people aren't going to, you know, I just saw it. So they had these fake doctors, 250 doctors, signed a letter to Spotify saying, you should have someone on to counter Joe Rogan's misinformation. Meanwhile, mainstream news have been lying about COVID at the top of their lungs for fucking two straight years and they lie about everything. But they want to, but on Joe Rogan, it's, it's dangerous because he has a counter-narrative to their bullshit. They want him to bring on to, hey, why don't you make MSNBC and CNN bring on Dr. Robert Malone? Why don't you ever fucking make that? Why don't you ever make that demand that NBC and CBS, they, they have to have balance.

No one ever, they never brought on anybody to debunk Russiagate. They never brought on anybody to have a counter-narrative to COVID, mandates, back to. scenes, none of it. They have to go on Joe Rogan's show. And by the way, Joe Rogan, I've, I heard, I don't know how accurate this is, but I heard that his interview with Dr. Robert Malone got 40 million downloads. So by trying to censor him, they, again, it had what they called the Streisand effect, which is when you try to, when you try to hide something and censor it and silence it, you just get more attention to it and more people see it. And that's exactly what happened with Dr. Robert Malone on Joe Rogan show. And now they want Joe Rogan

and Spotify to have balance. Nobody else has fucking balance in the news media. And the biggest purveyor of misinformation is the government. And then the second one is the establishment news media. Joe Rogan's not the problem. Joe Rogan is the antidote to the problem. Well, this is why I said recently, even though I do think both Peter McCullough and Malone probably are wrong on a lot of things in my opinion. Now, I'm not a medic, but I do think that. I still respect Joe for having them on. And the reason I say that is to me, the effects of this sort of censorship where essentially the big tech companies now decide what the truth is, is far worse than someone going on a podcast and saying some things that may later turn out to be medical misinformation.

That's how I feel. And the reason I say this is I remember the day I woke up and I saw that the New York Post had posted an article about Hunter Biden. And then I saw that every single big tech company, this is on the eve of a pivotal election in York. country, Jimmy. And every big tech company just went, no, you're not sharing this story. It's Russian disinformation. And let's be, let's call it what it is. You know, people can talk about election interference and I'm sure it happens both ways. But that was blatant election interference. And these people are now claiming that they know what the truth is. Fuck you. Fuck you. And that's why I love what Joe is doing, even though I think some of the things that these guests are saying are wrong,

because someone needs to push back against the shit. The government is always lying. The CDC and the FDA are called. The FDA gets 70% of its budget from Big Pharma when they have to approve a drug or a vaccine. They're not an independent organization. And when Donald Trump was president, guess what?

Every Democrat was saying the same thing that I don't trust the president. Governor Cuomo in New York said, I don't trust the process and I don't trust the FDA. I do want to ask you about that, especially as it pertains to the vaccine. We saw Dr. Fauci last night say that he trusts the experts at the FDA at the FDA. How confident are you in the approval process of the FDA right now?

Well, first, how confident am I? I'm not that confident, but my opinion doesn't matter. I don't believe the American people are that confident. You're going to say to the American people now, here's a vaccine, it was new, it was done quickly, but trust this federal administration and their health administration that it's safe. And we're not 100% sure of the consequences. I think it's going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be. And they wanted him to be the next Democratic president before he got kicked out of office

for killing all those old people and sexually harassing everyone. And Joe Biden said he was vaccine hesitant. Kamala Harris said she wouldn't take the vet. They all said a version of this. And then all of a sudden, Joe Biden becomes president. Now they completely flipped their tune. And I'm supposed to believe them. Joe Biden's a fucking pathological liar.

He's a bigger lie. He's just as big a liar as Trump. And I've got the receipts to prove it. The guy's, and he's demented. And they're lying to us that this guy isn't demented. And I'm supposed to believe them. Fuck you. Fauci's a criminal.

He should be in jail. There's a movie called the Dallas Byers Club. with stars Matthew McConaughey. And it's all about how the government, Fauci, fucked over AIDS patients by keeping drugs that can help them away, just like they did with COVID. They've suppressed early treatments with COVID, just so you know this.

And they're still doing it. And they still won't tell you about vitamin D, vitamin C, vitamin K2, zinc, monoclonals. They'll never mention that shit. But what do they say ad hominem? Mass vaccines. That's it. masks and vaccines, masks and vaccines. That's all they say.

So I have a problem with YouTube. I go, so what am I supposed, because I'm not supposed to go against the FDA or CDC guidelines and anything I say. I go, well, what happens when they're lying? Don't I get to call them out? Because they're lying all the time. And they go, no, you don't get to call them off. And look, that's the problem.

Because before you could go on YouTube and give an alternative or counter-narrative, but now that's not even an option. Eight months ago or a year ago, if you had said, hey, listen, COVID probably came from a lab, and here are the reasons why, and here are these very learned intellectual scientists who are going to explain that to you, that would be gone overnight. Yeah, and now we think that's definitely what happened. Yeah. Right?

And you're allowed to talk about it. Now it's the truth again, Jimmy. It wasn't the truth. Now it is the truth. Well, Fauci first said mask didn't work and don't bother. And then two months later, he said, everybody's got to wear a mask. And they said, well, you said nobody should wear. He said, yeah, I was lying then.

He literally said that. He goes, yeah, I was lying then. Because I was afraid people would go out and buy masks, and we needed masks for our hospital workers. So I lied to everybody. And that guy still has his job. And I'm supposed to fucking believe anything that guy says. And I'm the conspiracy nut because I question a guy who admitted he lied.

And that guy should be in jail. How many people died because they didn't wear a mask and they got coronavirus and fucking died because of it? you tell me so uh he lied about herd immunity and he lied about funding gain of function he lied to congress which he should be in jail of course he's lying at the behest of the oligarch so they'll never they'll never even have a hearing you know they never even had a hearing about the torture program George bush order there was never even a hearing about they're literally ordering there's what's still going on there's still they still have a torture facility in Guantanamo and uh you know that no so that's it we're done uh

and the people who vote Democrat pretend that they're fighting fascism and authoritarianism. That Trump is some kind of crazy fascist. No, you guys are actually voting for it and you're for it. They're for censorship. They're for authoritarian lockdowns. And they've been lying to you since day one. We're never getting rid of the virus. There's no way to ever get rid of the virus.

Omicron presents as a cold. And so Dr. Robert Malone, when he came on my show, said this. He said, what you want to have the virus do is you want to vaccinate the people who are at risk. You want to vaccinate the elderly and people with comorbidities and the obese. You want to make sure you vaccinate them, but you let the virus circulate and healthy people, then it will mutate to become more infectious and less deadly. If you over-vaccinate everybody, this is what Robert Malone said. If you over-vaccinate healthy people, it's just like when you use too many antibiotics on farm animals,

and then it becomes resistant to the antibiotics. And that's what will happen to a virus. That's what he said. And then it will mutate to become more deadly or more resistant to the vaccines. And you don't want that. And that's exactly the process that they're under right now. Vaccinate everyone, boost everyone. The WHO is strongly against first world countries using boosters.

It's on their website because they haven't gotten the vaccines to poor countries yet. And why haven't they gotten the vaccines to poor countries if they think vaccines will end the pandemic? is because there's no money to be made in giving the vaccine to poor countries, you fucking chumps? That's why. You know, that Bill Gates, by the way, who's a college dropout, why are people interviewing him about a fucking pandemic or a virus or a vaccine? Why?

Because he's really rich, and he controls the news media by giving them money. That's why people are at, why what fuck would we listen to Bill Gates, this guy who's got a fuck? He's the one who wouldn't let Oxford. Oxford was going to give away their vaccine for free. He said, don't do it. and they didn't. And so now everyone's making millions of dollars

or billions of dollars off the vaccine. So that's who Bill Gates is. And Bill Gates also a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. So it looks like he's a pedophile and a criminal and he's bought the news media. And why are we turning to him for it? He's not a virologist. He's not even a college graduate.

Jimmy, before we go on, I should explain that here in the United Kingdom, and we have very different libel laws to the ones you have over there in America. So I am going to add the word allegedly in front of the words you said about it looks like. That's why I said it looks like he's a pedophile. It looks like he's a pedophile.

I can't say for certain that he is, but it certainly looks like he's a pedophile. To be fair, we also can't say that he's not a paedophile. We just don't know. We don't know. And it certainly looks like he's a corrupt criminal, for sure, 100%. But what we do, know is that Windows is not a good operating system. That we do know, Jimmy.

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Let me ask you that. I want to ask you this question. And look, nobody knows the answer to this. But I'm going to ask you anyway. But I'm going to ask you anyway, because you've been operating this space a long time. Do you think that Spotify eventually are going to kick Rogan out the door? No. It's going to be interesting.

Why? So I don't think people don't realize this, that Joe Rogan had his show on YouTube. YouTube is owned by Google. Guess who owns Spotify? Google. So they wanted to take him off of YouTube because he's getting too much heat, but they didn't want to lose his revenue, so they put him over on Spotify. So now, because they were writing articles about YouTube and getting them,

the advertisers nervous about advertising on YouTube. So they were like, let's take care of this. Let's make sure we can get all the money. And that's put them on Spotify, get all the money from Joe Rogan, without having to worry about advertisers and shit like that. That's what that was. Isn't that interesting to know that Spotify is owned by Google? I didn't know that.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Now that makes a lot of sense. So you think the numbers talk, Joe does huge numbers, and they're just going to let him do what he does on Spotify. Yeah, Joe Rogan, I don't, he didn't even need Spotify. Like, you know, I mean, he could have just wanted to do Joe Rogan.com and just, I mean, he's that big, that he's bigger, I think he's bigger than the platforms that, you know,

I mean, he's not bigger than YouTube, obviously, but he's big enough that he doesn't need them. And I think, I think, I mean, again, I'm not. I'm no business genius, believe me. I don't know. But I would, so I could be wrong about this, but I don't think Joe Rogan needs a corporation to give him a platform. But I think that's why he said he took the Spotify deal was because they kept demonetizing his videos on YouTube.

And so he goes, I do a show and I don't get to make any money off it. And they, I got to, you know, I'm paying to make the show. And so he decided, well, I'm going to, I don't want to. be censored anymore. I'm going to go to Spotify. And so I wish Spotify would make me an offer. I would go in a second because I'm tired. It's really, it's really grading and it's exhausting to worry about being not only censored, but worry about having your channel taken down. Because they already censored me already, but they won't tell me what I did. We have the same. We have the same issue.

a timestamp in the video, and they go, no, we can't. Can you give me the words I said that you didn't like? No, those are internal documents. I go, you know this doesn't pass the smell test, right? That this sounds corrupt, that you guys are just targeting me. If you won't give me the fucking receipts on what you said, I said. And they're like, well, that's just the way it works for everybody. And I go, I know that's why you guys are corrupt.

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What's happened is there are a massive multinational global corporation that outsources this shit to a call center somewhere in India where you've got a guy who doesn't understand the American culture or the American system or the British system or freedom of speech or any of that. Just making decisions. You've got a 20-year-old in Silicon Valley or whatever it is. It's like one person has this tremendous amount of power and they don't give a shit.

They're not trying to work these things out. on the basis of principles, it's just a thing to them. And I don't think it's even, it goes into some kind of massive conspiracy against voices like ours. I just think we're not very important and they don't spend much time or energy on it. And they don't really give a shit because they're a monopoly. They don't have to explain anything to you or us. They don't have to.

Because where else are we going to go? No one is ever going to compete with YouTube. If they get, you know, just like Rumble, right? So Rumble's big thing is they won't censor you. And so I'm on Rumble, but I told the guy when I was signing up that he was making the pitch to me, please, Jimmy, come, you know, use our, use our platform. We'd like to have you on our platform. And I said, sure, I'm glad that you guys won't censor.

And he said, oh, we'll never censor. I go, well, eventually you're going to censor. And they said, no, we're not going to. I go, well, yes, I mean, if this works and it becomes really popular, YouTube's going to buy you. And then it's over. They go, no, well, we won't ever sell. I go, everybody has a price and YouTube has the money. You know, they're going to give, they fucking Facebook bought it.

What did they buy Instagram for? They did. They bought Instagram. For like $20 billion, right? And WhatsApp, they bought WhatsApp. I mean, who can resist $20 billion? You can't resist fucking $20 billion. Nobody can do that.

And so there will never be a platform to rival YouTube. And so in the United States, what we need is. to do is nationalize YouTube just and make it a public utility. Right. So then all the same laws that apply like free speech. We have free speech laws in the United States. And that would apply to YouTube. And then so that's what we need to do.

And we need to break it up. I don't know how they do that. But people who are smarter than me say you can break up, break it up, like places like Facebook and places like YouTube. Now, Google and Facebook, so here's the thing that people will realize in the United States, 70 or 80% of the people get their news from Google and Facebook, right? So what does that tell you? Well, it tells you that two companies control most of the flow of information in the United States.

That's not good for a healthy democracy. That's actually bad. And both of those places are censoring at the behest of the establishment. So that's why we got to, however you can break them up, break them up. But I say nationalize them. And because right now they can take away someone's YouTube channel or someone's Twitter account or someone's Facebook account. And what I try to explain to people that, you know, 20 years ago, everybody knew if you

were going to open a business or be a public person, you have to have a phone, right? You have to have a phone to be able to do business in the United States. And that's why it's considered a public utility and it's regulated, right? So AT&T can't take away your phone if they listen in on your conversations and they don't like the shit you're saying. Oh, you're saying, anti, you're saying misinformation over the phone. So we're going to take your phone away. Nobody thinks that that should happen. But they'll let them take away your Facebook or your Twitter or your YouTube because they don't like what you're saying.

Well, that's you can't run a business today without having a Facebook or a Twitter account. And in my case, YouTube. All those things should be public utilities. because you can't function in today's society without them. And so you shouldn't let a corporation dictate who gets to be in society and who doesn't. If it's really a public square, which it is, social media is the Newtown Square, you should be able to say whatever you want under the First Amendment protections in the United States. But turns out, you know, there's a quote that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

And we are not vigilant in the United States because I had no idea, the country or even more of it would be yearning for censorship. They cheer it on. People with YouTube channels who are in the lefty news space, they say, I have no problem with YouTube kicking someone off if they violate their terms of service. That's just shocking to me. That's what YouTubers say who are in the space.

So, yeah, we're living in a, we're living in George Orwell's 1984. We're living in Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. It's here. And like the frog in the pot, people didn't notice that it's now boiling. And they're kicking people. They fired 72,000 healthcare workers in the middle of a deadly pandemic in New York because they wouldn't get vaccinated. Does that sound like they care about people's health care when they're firing 72,000 health care workers? People who just worked through a COVID pandemic when there was no vaccine and they were heroes.

And now you're firing those same people. 72,000 of them in the middle of a deadly pandemic. I don't think this is about people's health because they don't give us health care in the United States. They give us a vaccine. If it was about our health, they'd give us fucking health care, and they're never going to do that.

A good positive note to end the show on, Jimmy. We're running out of time, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. As always, we're going to ask you a couple of questions for our locals in a second. But before we do that, we have our usual final question for you. which is always, what's the one thing we're not talking about, but we really should be? Boy, I wish I knew.

The thing I find that people aren't talking about is you're going to get COVID, so get ready for it. And here's how you get ready for it. Get your vitamin D3 up, get your zinc up, get your K2 up, find out where you can get monoclonal antibodies, fluvoxamine, get a doctor who's willing to prescribe you things and not be intimidated by the CDC. and the thing that no one's talking about is that everyone is going to get COVID. No matter how many vaccines you get, no matter how many masks you wear, you are going to get it. So you should prepare to get it.

And who do you care if you get it from a vaccinated person or an unvaccinated person? And these mandates are not about health. These mandates are to mandate that a corporation gets profits. There we go. Jimmy Dore, it's been an absolute pleasure. Jimmy, if people want to find you online, where's the best place today? that. Jimmy Doorcomedy.com. Jimmy, thanks so much for coming on. We'll do our questions for locals, but in the meantime,

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