TRIGGERnometry - Libs of TikTok: Exposing Trans Ideology & Grooming in Schools

Episode Date: July 21, 2024

Chaya Raichik is the woman behind the ‘Libs of TikTok’ account on X (formerly Twitter.) With more than 3.2 million followers, the account amplifies content uploaded by radical leftists and activists. Her work has been instrumental in the exposure and removal of inappropriate material and teachers from schools. She has also been subject to heavy attack and censorship from the mainstream media and big tech establishments. Check out Libs of TikTok: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok Subscribe to Chaya’s Substack: https://www.libsoftiktok.com/ Sponsor: Go to https://gdefy.com and use code RELIEF24 for an exclusive $20 off orders of $100 or more. Join our Premium Membership for early access, extended and ad-free content: https://triggernometry.supercast.com OR Support TRIGGERnometry Here: Bitcoin: bc1qm6vvhduc6s3rvy8u76sllmrfpynfv94qw8p8d5 Music by: Music by: Xentric | [e-mail] | https://www.xentricapc.com/ YouTube: @xentricapc Buy Merch Here: https://www.triggerpod.co.uk/shop/ Advertise on TRIGGERnometry: [e-mail] Join the Mailing List: https://www.triggerpod.co.uk/#mailinglist Find TRIGGERnometry on Social Media: https://twitter.com/triggerpod https://www.facebook.com/triggerpod/ https://www.instagram.com/triggerpod/ About TRIGGERnometry: Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to a child. And what I don't understand is why aren't these teachers being prosecuted? Their views do not hold up to scrutiny. It's as simple as that. I mean, giving kids porn in school, they're chopping me off kids' body parts, they're giving teenagers hysterectomies. Having grown men dress half naked as women and dance provocatively in front of children, I mean, these are things that were not controversial a few years ago. They're more upset at me for exposing these predators and groomers than they are of the fact that it's actually happening. Hi, Libs of TikTok. Welcome to Trigonometry. You don't do many interviews, so we're delighted to have you on. Listen, let's just get straight into it. Why did you start Libs of TikTok? It's a huge account now on Twitter,

obviously elsewhere as well, and you basically cover some of the things that people themselves put out on the internet, and this makes you very controversial. So how did you start it? Why did you start it? How are you here? So thanks for having me. It's great to be here. I started it after COVID. There was a point where I was out of work and I was kind of stuck at home, trapped. And that's when I really started paying attention to what was going on. And I had never really followed politics or cared much for it or, you know, I never did journalism or media or anything like that. So, you know, then I started, I'm like realizing there's these people who are making all these decisions for me, keeping me a

in my home. So I started paying attention and I discovered TikTok and it's hard to imagine now but back then this was three years ago no one really knew what it was. It was very new and I just like started seeing

all these really funny TikToks and I started sharing it to Twitter and it was mainly COVID related things in the beginning like you know the Fauci Worship people had like Fauci pillows in their homes and those Fauci candles I didn't know this. And I didn't even follow the news so much.

So I didn't follow everything that Fauci said and whatever. But like, I mean, I knew that the guy was a psycho and he was lying. Anyone with half a brain cell could tell right away. And even if he wasn't, I mean, just the worship of him, I thought was hilarious. So I just, I was sharing those videos. And, you know, there was like the toddlers getting kicked off of planes. You know, think back to what happened then, the dancing nurses. and I just thought it was funny and I started sharing it and it just exploded and then Joe

Rogan gave me a shout out and pretty early on that just made it like skyrocket and how it got to where it is now is you know I'm on TikTok and I start seeing all this other types of content there was all like the groomer teachers and the activists and those doctors chopping off kids body parts. And I was just like, I felt like it was crazy and like people didn't know. So I was like, I have to share this. And that's how really, that's how it started. And did your channel take off as much as it did during the COVID phase of what you were covering or was it the gender stuff where it really gave it a big boost? It's hard to say because it started with the COVID phase and people really enjoyed that content.

I wasn't, I was, I wasn't specifically looking for like, I, I, I, it wasn't a decision like, oh, I want to be famous. I want to have this huge account. It was literally just like a hobby. I was bored at work and after. And I was just like, I thought it was funny. And there was no plan to, for it to become this. I was just sharing things that I thought were interesting.

And obviously COVID did end. And all, and then all this other content, I, I, I, I, I noticed and I thought I had to share it. But when I started sharing that, I was realizing how important this topic was because so many people felt like I was like speaking for them in a way. That's the impression I got. And we're also coming straight out of COVID where all these mothers, they had their kids' classroom in their home, right?

And they were shocked at what they were seeing. then I come and I'm sharing this content and it kind of, like it made them realize that they're not the only ones this is happening to and that there might be something bigger going on here. And it validated their feelings, I think. So I think that made it also much more popular and people really, really felt connected to the content. Was there a moment when you were looking through all this content where you were thinking to yourself,

this is really wrong, particularly with the gender stuff and education. There must have been a moment where you were like, it's almost too much, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, when you see the same thing over and over again, it's you start to realize and it dawns on you how pervasive this is. And in the beginning, the left used to say that I'm like cherry picking the worst of the worst and the insanity. oh, she found one crazy teacher in California. But then you see it over and over again, and here I am three years later, and every single day there's more content,

and it's all new, and it's all still relevant. And they keep doing this, and you see how big of an issue it really is. And I'll just say this. I don't even post, like, a tiny percentage of the messages I get. So even whenever I'm posting, there is so much more,

and people don't realize how big of a problem this is. I guess the question, therefore, is how big of a problem is it? A massive problem. I think the education problem is one of the biggest crises facing our country. I want to shut the entire Department of Education down. Just shut the whole thing down and start from scratch. Someone wants to be happy. You know, the Argentine president.

But, you know, actually last time we were here in Florida, we interviewed Carol Markowitz. And she was telling us, like, I remember France and I just going, what? You've got porn in schools. But then our video editor actually went through it and put stuff in the video, in the interview, what was happening. You see this also with pornography in school libraries. That's become a huge thing. What do you mean? What?

Yeah. What do you mean pornography in school libraries has become a giant thing in the U.S. Because parents keep finding pornography in their kids' school library. What do you mean by pornography? I mean, it would shock you. Not like, not like, you know, spreads. I mean, you haven't seen his phone, not. Just a joke.

It's just, it's books that literally talk about, show pictures of sex acts, but the sex, yeah. Look, when I was a kid, my parents, when I was a teenager, gave me a book which was educational about sex. Did it have somebody on their knees and giving oral sex? No. No. Right. So, no. And did it have, like, sexting in it, where two boys, sex to each other dirty pictures or ask for really graphic things to be sent to them,

it didn't. And you would be, again, you would be shocked and it's happening at elementary schools. So in the U.S., again, that's till fifth grade, that's 11, 12 years old, is where elementary school ends. And I think one of the things that we're kind of dealing with is some of the stuff that is going on is actually hard to believe, right? Can you talk to our audience a little bit about what you've actually found in that's going on in American schools? Yeah, and a lot of content I post, people are like, is this parody? And I'm like, no, it should be. It looks like it, but it's not. This is real. Right. So there are so many pornographic books in schools, and this is something that I talk about all the time. I remember

there was one, there was one book, a parent got up at a school board meeting to read it. And this, this scenario has played itself out so many times. But in this specific school, and I believe it was actually in Florida. This one stuck out to me because he started reading it and then the lawyer for the school board goes, wait, you need to stop because it might be against the law to be reading this out loud because kids are listening to it and it's like really graphic and lewd content. And like they say this like unironically. So it's okay in the kids classroom. Like it's okay in the school, but we can't read it out loud for a room of adults because it might be illegal. And that was the most extreme example, but this has happened so many times to have parents get up there and they read the books.

They show the pictures of what's in these books that they're giving kids in schools. And a lot of times they're shut down. The board's like, sorry, you can't read it. It's too graphic. So what do we mean by pornographic and lewd content? Give us some examples. Okay. I don't know what that noise was, but Francis is excited.

Yeah. Or just disbelief. You don't have to go too graphic, but I just think it's really important. Yeah, there's a book called This Book is Gay, right? Look, I'll be honest with you. I used to teach. I heard many of my students say that to each other. Like, you can't make it off the book titles.

This book is gay. This book is gay. It's exactly what you would think. So at the end, there's a whole glossary for anything you'd want to know. And this is in middle schools. So they're teaching sixth graders about every single. single kind of sexual fetish you could imagine, like everything, peeing on people, pooping on people, sticking any different kinds of objects up everywhere. And how old are sixth graders?

They're like 12, 12, 13 year olds. Wow. Wow. So they're teaching 12, 13 year olds about sexual fetishes. Well, are they teaching or are these books in the libraries or actually are they actually being taught? So it's a mixture of both. In a lot of sports, It's in the library and it's available for children to check out, but there have been many stories where it was actually an assignment like read this book and you know write about whatever or the teacher would read it to the kids in the classroom For the younger grades, there's a lot of books surrounding Gender ideology and questioning your identity and trans toddlers and you know four-year-olds changing their names and being told that they were assigned the wrong gender at birth and the doctor made a mistake. And those, we're talking about like preschool, kindergarten, first grade, second grade.

The teachers are reading that to them. It's like story time. Let's talk about how you can, you know, maybe the doctor made a mistake when you were born and you need to go chop off your body parts and use the other bathroom now. So that's actually being read. Those types of books are actually being read to really little kids in schools. Do you know we laugh about it? I think I'm the only parent in this conversation.

As a parent, it makes me, I mean, I mean, I. I don't want to say on that what it makes me think of doing to these people because this is outrageous. This is horrible. Yeah, and that's why I think that's why lives of TikTok became so popular because every single parent was thinking exactly what you're thinking. And they're like, why is nobody talking about this? And then like I come along and like, here I am and I'm exposing all the stuff that these parents have been seeing. And not just that. Now people really feel like they can come to me and I can help them share their story.

Like I have Uybs of TikTok as like a platform for the average person who doesn't have a platform. I want to share their story. So I get messages from parents all the time. And again, I can't even post most of it just because there's so much. But it's like I found this book in my kid's classroom. My teacher's kid said this. Like it's just, it's everywhere. And it's just you can't even imagine the scope of this.

And is there a particular type of school? We don't know much about the American education system. So you have to explain a little bit. Is it a particular type of school? Is it government-run schools that are more prevalent? Or is it expensive private schools that are like? Or is it just everywhere? Is there a kind of difference?

Like, I guess what I'm asking is, like, where can parents send their kid where this doesn't happen? Yeah. So I always say, like, homeschool your kids. Okay. Because, so unfortunately, it is in the private schools also. And I've posted so many examples of that. I think it's less, but it's still there. And I think that obviously not.

everybody could homeschool. And if you if you can't homeschool your kids, you need to stay on top of everything that is happening in that building while your kid is there, even if it's a private school. Because the stuff, it's really everywhere. It really is. I don't think any school is immune unless, you know, maybe a like a religious-style private school. But even some of those, they have this, they have this stuff too. But you have to just be really careful. You have to, you have to just be on top of everything. And so for how long has this been happening? That's a good question.

I think, so I think it's been going on for a long time for decades. And we just, I think the right just wasn't really paying attention, right? We kind of just let the left take over our education without fully realizing. And I think that at this point, now it's come to a head where we're actually doing. something about it and that's why I'm really hopeful because we are taking over a lot of school boards and now there's so many groups coming like propping up and and recruiting people good people to run and really paying attention to every school board race also in higher education you know there's been a few universities recently that have abandoned the whole DEI thing so they they've

been infiltrating every single institution for decades while we basically did nothing but they went way too far. So now we're coming in and we're going to take back our country. So I used to be a teacher. I was a teacher for many years. I taught high school for about six years. I taught primary school, 10 and 11 year olds for about seven years. We were taught something when I was training to be a teacher called safeguarding in the UK. I don't know if it's the same here. And part of SafeGuarding is learning how to spot kids who have been abused sexually. And one of the things that people do when they groom kids is they introduce young kids to sexual material, pornographic material. That is seen as a technique in grooming. And I'm listening to what you're

talking about and I'm going, that is grooming. And I just can't, it's horrific to me. And what I don't understand is why aren't these teachers being prosecuted? I wish I knew. I want to prosecute all these teachers. But putting aside prosecution, which would be great, we have had a lot of successes. So there's been so many teachers who, and I've been involved in a lot of these. Give us a few examples. Okay.

So there was a teacher who made her students. pledge allegiance to the progress pride flag. It was in California, California of all places. And I posted her own video. She posted a TikTok. She was so proud of it. Like, yeah, my kids, they want to pledge allegiance. But there's no American flag.

And they're asking me, where's the American flag? And I'm like, oh, well, you can pledge allegiance to that flag. And she's, like, snickering. And she's all, like, so proud of herself. Okay. So during third period, we have announcements and they do the Pledge of Allegiance. Totally fine. Except for the fact that my room does not have a flag.

It used to be there, but I took it down during COVID because it made me uncomfortable. But my kid today goes, hey, it's kind of weird that we just stand and then, you know, we say it to nothing. And I'm like, oh, well, you know, I got to find it. Like, I'm working on it. I got you. In the meantime, I tell this kid, we do have a flag in the class that you can pledge your allegiance to. And he, like, looks around and he goes, oh, that. So I very kindly shared her video that she had already shared.

And she was fired like two days later. That was like that was that was a huge one. There was one in Utah. She was like she's, Yeah. I'm saying this is not only in like California, New York and Minnesota in Utah. She posted a TikTok about how she has conversations about gender and

and queerness and her kids are queer because she's queer. And anyways, I posted her TikTok and she was fired that same day, that night. And I believe it was a private school, actually. That was two recent examples. There was another one in Texas a couple weeks ago. I posted this teacher. He would show up dress and drag, like these pink dresses, very extravagant women's clothing.

And I posted the video and he would, he, he actually, he was placed on leave and then he ended up just resigning, but he had been teaching for years. So those were just, those were just a few. There's so many more. But I think, I think that the, with enough pressure and with enough parents speaking out about it, then there, there is change. I don't know about prosecutions, but, but a lot of these teachers are being removed and a lot of the books are being removed. I know in, in Dallas, I helped remove. a bunch of really pornographic books. I've helped remove books from a lot of states. There was one in Georgia recently, in Colorado. So I think with enough exposure and enough pressure, then there is

action being taken. It's a really, really interesting point that you make. I guess my concern is that we don't go too far over the other way, where I think it was in Florida that they took away Romeo and Juliet, for instance, Shakespeare's Romeo and Julia, because it featured sex between, I think Juliet is 13 in the play, and Romeo is 14. And you go, we need to strike a balance here, whereby you get rid of books that are pornographic, but plays like Romeo and Juliet, which are classics that we keep. Yeah, I think they, I think there is a balance. I think you're right.

Like, they, like, they'll say also, like, Dr. Seuss is racist, right? So they'll remove Dr. Seuss. So you're saying it's possible like both sides end up going too far. Absolutely. I could see that. I guess it's also quite hard to make laws that kind of deal with all this pornographic stuff without sometimes just going, you know, you can misword law or just be a little bit too broad and then suddenly it can be used in a way that it wasn't intended, I think, as well.

Yeah, it's also, for instance, as we've seen that much. more and more with books is where people are saying, well, we need to make these books more safe. We need to make sure that they're not and take out aspects of the book, which are really important. So, for instance, people say with Roald Dahl books, Roald Dahl was my favourite author when I was a kid. Of course it was massive anti-Semite. Absolutely. This was working with a Jew does too. But what, I mean, he was right about some things anyway.

But what Roald was, you know, very problematic in many ways. and people were saying, no, we need to cut this out, and we need to cut that out. And I feel very strongly about that, because those books are brilliant. And one of the things that makes them appeal to kids is that it has a very dark sense of humor. And children, a lot of them have a very dark sense of humor.

So I think the thing to remember is all of these books, we're only talking about in literal government institutions. We're not talking about libraries. So it's not like we're saying, you know, you can't read these books at all, that you can get any of these books in any public. library or on any bookstore. You can buy them on eBay or Amazon. But I think that when it comes to our tax dollars, funding a government institution that is educating our children the next generation,

we're giving over our kids for hours every day to strangers to be educated by. Then I think that I think it's good if we are very particular with what we allow them to read there. Absolutely. And I agree that we should be particular. And, you know, if things are you know, this book is gay. It doesn't sound like something that should be consumed by kids. I just think it's, with all of these things, it's about striking a balance. You know, you want kids to be exposed to material that could be a little bit challenging. You know, for instance, the boy in the striped pajamas is a story about a little boy in a concentration camp. I taught that to my 11-year-olds and it was, it's a great book, it's powerful, they did some

amazing work. So it's about, I think, it's about not wanting to overstep that mark, because you do want to talk to kids about the world is like, you do want to talk about history. And sometimes some of these things aren't pleasant. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if anyone's saying not to talk to kids about history. I know that was, here in Florida, there was, they were trying to say that DeSantis was trying to like ban the teaching of African American history. And it's just not. It's just not true. I think a lot of the,

a lot of the left's narratives are like, you know, we're trying to restrict information and we're trying to ban books and we're trying to, we're not allowing kids to learn accurate history. I just, I don't know. I just don't think it's true.

I just don't fall for, for those narratives. I think we have to look at, look at the facts. And I think that all the books that I've seen been being removed, I am, from what I've seen, I am okay with that. Yeah.

Well, one of the narratives that I find very strange, and I remember having actually quite robust debate with a progressive friend of mine, and she was saying, well, they're banning books. And I was like, well, removing something from a school is not the same as banning a book. It's like saying if you don't serve alcohol in school, now you're in favor of prohibition.

It's not the same thing, right? One of the things I find interesting about what you do is you just take what people themselves post and then you repost it and people say like people think this is controversial. And you've had quite a lot of pushback is putting it very mildly. I wish it was just pushback. Yeah. But people are vitriolic about you online. Why do you think that is? Oh, they hate my guts.

I think it's very hard for them to see them. themselves. At the end of the day, their views do not hold up to scrutiny. It's as simple as that. I mean, giving kids porn in school, chopping off kids' body parts because they're confused about their identity, having grown men dress half-naked as women and dance provocatively in front of children, I mean, these are things that were not controversial a few years ago. And I'm sharing their own views and their own words. And it suddenly became super controversial. And they, They can't handle seeing it because they know that it's indefensible. Yeah, I agree.

When you get to that end of the spectrum, it is indefensible. And you're going, this is an absolute lack of common sense. But then when we talk about things like sex education, so I used to work in a school in a very deprived part of East London. And I'll tell you a story. So we taught sex ed from the age of four. And what that actually meant is going, this is your private parts, people shouldn't be able, shouldn't be touching this, for example. And the reason we do that is, is there's a lot of kids who grow up and they become abused and they don't know what is happening to them. And nobody teaches them that. So by, people think sex education means I'm talking about in a UK context, that you're talking to them about sex. But a large part of it is teaching kids actually how to protect themselves. And so I think that's important as well.

I think that it's important that, you know, we don't sexualize kids, but we also teach kids how to protect themselves and be able to identify when there is abuse happening. So I have a controversial view on sex ed. Cool. After seeing what I've seen the past three years, I do not trust any adult in any school to teach my kid anything about sex ed. I would never, never. I want the whole thing abolished.

It should be rebuilt in a way that you're describing. In theory, it's a good idea. But in practically speaking, it's not, it just doesn't seem to be that that's what sex that is about anymore. There's always a chapter on gender and sexual identities. There's always a chapter on that. And they teach them about puberty blockers. And they teach them about alternate gender identities. That's just, that's what it became.

So I think the whole thing has to be abolished and maybe re-reveillance. rebuilt in an appropriate way. You want a complete shutdown of sex education until we can work out what the hell is going on. Exactly. But you know what? I think you're both making good points, actually, because I think what Francis is saying is true, especially for people who are growing up in, you know, single-parent households where they're not getting a huge amount of adult attention from responsible adults. On the other hand, I hear what you're saying. I mean, if they're teaching them this stuff in school, do you really want this crazy person with blue hair and fake boobs or whatever, teaching your kid about, you know, how to,

and this is why it's a tragedy, because they've really undermined something that's very important, I think. I agree. So I guess the question with how controversial you've become, that I find interesting is, like, why do you think posting, I just, I don't know why, but I find this really weird, that posting other people's stuff that they themselves posted

because they wanted attention on the internet makes you controversial. That I don't get. I don't get that. It's a million dollar question. Isn't that weird? Sometimes I'm like, why are you even paying attention to me?

Like, go look at someone else. Like, just let me post these TikToks in peace. Yeah, I think, I don't know if it's something about me. I'd love to think that I have a special superpower that just triggers lips. And it feels like, it's become that. Like I don't even have to post TikToks anymore for them to be triggered. I literally just have to say good morning and they lose their minds. And do you think it is, obviously, you know,

there's a satirical element to the way you called it, lives a tick. Do you think it really is anyone on the left or have you found, I imagine, I'm guessing here, but I imagine there are a lot of parents, just normal people on the center left, who may believe in higher taxes than you do and the bigger government than you do and whatever they may. They may. not being fake, they may be pro, you know, pro choice or whatever, who's still done one their kids to be taught that they can change their gender at six, right? I'm guessing it's not just the libs at this point. I imagine this stuff is almost, you could say, radicalizing a lot of people left and right. Oh yeah. I mean, if my messages are,

or any kind of like hint at this movement, then, yeah, I get tons of messages from people. There say things like I always vote a Democrat and I can't do it anymore because this is what they stand for or like I'm a liberal but I you know everything you're doing is amazing keep it up I got messages like I can't follow you or like your stuff because I could get in trouble for my friends but like I'm supporting you from behind like I think and as I said before this stuff was not controversial a few years ago they went so far to the left and they are losing their own base they're pushing them to our side it's it's remarkable isn't it that we've gone so far to the extreme. Do you think part of it is just simply people are afraid of pushing back on this

stuff because look, I'm someone from the left, center left, I believe in socialized healthcare, for example. I was a teacher for a long time, you know, deprived schools. So I am a person of the left. But what I see horrifies me because you were sexualizing children, which is one of the worst things you could do to a child. How do you think we've got to this position? Is it or is there something else going on? I think that this, I think this is something that was all planned for decades. Oh, really? Yeah, I think so.

Americans love a conspiracy. Tell me how it. What's your, you guys, you love to believe in stuff. What is it? Tell me, what's you, who planned it? Who planned it? The commies. No, well, look, they, the left,

everything they do it's like it's it has to be part of like a movement right it's all about activism and they need they need activists for their causes for for the next whatever cause comes up next right now it's the the gaza cause right like the Palestinian cause um and they they all the people who are fighting that cause for them are on college campuses how did those students become like this to fight for their causes. They were groomed from in public, in public schools, from when they enter public schools, all through college. And look, now they have all their activists for them. And they'll have that for whatever cause comes next. They had it for BLM. And for this cause, for whatever the next causes, for the LGBT cause too. And they're not, they're not having their own kids, right? They're,

they're not getting married. They're not having kids. If a kid, you know, they're a death cult. They, you know, abortions up until birth, even after birth. If they manage to have it to have a, to have kid, then, you know, your kid gets groomed in school, and then, you know, they become an activist for the leftist causes. Do you not think that, you know, that these people think that they're doing the right thing? They're being kind and good and whatever else. I think there are a lot of them that think they're doing the right thing, yeah.

Sorry, carry on. No, go ahead. No, and I think that injects a quite tragic element into it, because it's one thing people who are malicious. it's one thing and it's another when people think they're doing good and they're actually doing harm, particularly to the most vulnerable people in society who are kids. I think there's going to be some kind of calling sometime in the next few decades, maybe not even during my lifetime, maybe it will be longer, I don't know,

but I think people are going to have to answer for where they were at this point in time when kids are being sexualized and groomed like this and where they're putting kids on these puberty stunting medications, these irreversible drugs, they're chopping off kids' body parts. They're giving teenagers hysterectomies, and they're taking off their breasts, and they're doing all kinds of barbaric experiments

on their genitals. And it's just, it's, it's, there's no words for it. And there are people right now that believe that they're doing the right thing. But I don't think that's going to be the case for, forever. There's going to be, there's going to be an awakening.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think there is going to be a moment when people really wake up. I think in the UK, we're already starting to see that. When you look at things like the CAS report, which has done a very in-depth investigation from one of the country's leading pediatricians, and what they found was, you know, kids were being fast-tracked into taking puberty blockers.

We don't know the long-term effects of these particular medication, etc., etc., etc. I think part of the reason why we have been far more effective with this stuff in the UK is we don't make it a left and right issue. If you don't make it a left and right issue, then you make it more comfortable for people on the left. For example, a hero of the left in the UK is a lady called Rosie Duffield, who is a member of parliament, who has done amazing work. And there's been other heroes of the left, J.K. Rowling, and a whole load of other particularly gender critical women. do you think that's by doing the whole left-right thing, what it does is make it an issue for the right,

and then that means that the left feel that they can't speak up as much, because then that means that they're siding with the right. I think there is a little bit of that happening, but I will say that I think it was the left who did that. They created that because, again, like, none of this stuff was controversial, and the left made this, their party platform. Like they are pro the genital mutilation of kids. I mean, Biden hung up a massive progress pride flag, flanged by American flags, like covering the whole White House.

And he invited all of, he invited drag queens and strippers and activists to the White House. And one of them exposed his massive prosthetic breasts, like jiggling them on the White House lawn. I mean, this is what Biden stands for. He invited Dylan Mulvaney to come speak to him at the White House. Dylan Mulvaney is like the poster child for mutilation. and for this whole gender movement. I mean, so they are, they're going all in on this. This is their party platform.

That's what they decided. And I always say this. Like, if there is a Democrat who comes out against it, I will support that. Like, I will, I will congratulate them on social media. I'll share their, I'll share their views, and I'll make sure everyone knows that there are Democrats who are actually against us. Unfortunately, it's very, very rare. It's interesting. I think that's a good point you both make, actually, because in the UK, I think France is 100% right that the reason we've made more progress in the UK is we haven't politicized it in the same way.

But it's also, your point is good too, because the left-wing politicians in the UK, they were cowardly and they would go, yeah, I don't know what a woman is, but they didn't push it in the same way that left-wing politicians in this country are pushing it. And I can see what you're saying. One of the things that also happened with you, which I found interesting, is there's a journalist who's been really going after you in particular, Taylor Lorenz. And she's very determined, and you had to sit down with her and you did this thing. Like, what do you make of the fact that mainstream journalists are going after you and the way that they're doing it? It makes me feel very important. I'm like, okay, you want it? I think at the end of the day, they're doing it for clicks.

Because the mainstream media is completely dying. I mean, even before Elon bought Twitter and really revolutionized journalism, it was already dying. Because that's what happens when for years you just print lies and bias lies and you're just totally untrustworthy. And then like Elon buying Twitter just really escalated that because now there's, you know, no censorship. And anyone could be a journalist pretty much. And we could expose their lies in real time, which is amazing. So mainstream media has been going downhill for a long time. And I think they're using me for clicks at this point.

And that's why I never share their articles, only screenshots. Don't give them the clicks. But, yeah, sometimes I'm like, do you guys have anything else to write about? Like, there's so much other stuff going on. Like, why are you focusing on, like, one stupid thing that I posted? And what are some of the things that they are saying you've done wrong or coming after you for? So it's really, it's a bomb threat. They started this whole conspiracy that I'm responsible for like dozens of bomb tharts.

I can't even keep track. I should ask media matters because they're keeping track of everything. But their latest numbers, somewhere in like, I think we're in the 80s already. That's how many bomb threats they blamed on me. But they're creating this whole narrative that me simply exposing them in their own words is somehow, that somehow makes me responsible for some fake bomb threat that someone might call in, and therefore I should not be able to post anything and I should just shut down and not expose the child predators, not expose groomers, not expose these really bad actors,

because someone based in Indonesia, who is probably hired by the left, might call in a bomb threat. Well, and I'm guessing you're not pro-bom threats, right? No, I am against bomb throats. Yeah. I've said that so many times. But no matter how many times you say, it's not enough for them. That's why, like, when they ask me, you know, won't you just condemn it?

Because they just, they need to just hear it constantly, and they don't actually care. They don't actually care if I condemn it or not. The whole idea is to just create this narrative that I'm a violent person and I should not be able to post their own TikToks. That's what, you know, that's what they're trying to do. And they're also, they're trying to pay me as some kind of dangerous terror. And they've done this, they've done this so many times already now. They're trying, I think, I think their real goal is to get the FBI to investigate me. To, to, to create enough of like a pattern and enough of a kind of accepted narrative that I am a very dangerous domestic terrorist.

And then to get law enforcement to actually. You are very scary, yeah. But that, I mean, look. It's out of the frame. There's guns all over here. Because look, your speech laws are very different to us. So we have much stronger laws when it comes to libel. But within UK laws, you would be well within your rights to sue these publications

because that is obviously libelous. Do you not have, could you not do that here? So defamation claims in the US are really, really difficult to win. I've had multiple lawyers look over this. There really isn't much I could. do right now. I'm working on a few things, but also these things take time, but we'll see. And what effect has this had on you? Because that, you know, we're having a laugh and a joke about it and, you know, you seem to be dealing with it superbly well. But that must take its toll,

surely. Well, I think I wouldn't be human if I said it didn't affect me at all. You know, obviously there are some hard days, but at the end of the day, I view it like this. Like, The people who hate my guts and who want me dead are the people who want to chop off kids' body parts, give kids porn in school, have men shake their fake butts in kids' faces. And if those people didn't hate me and liked me, I would actually be very worried. Because I am against everything that they stand for. And you mentioned Elon Musk and X now. It's obviously a totally perfect. different regime to what was there before. Have you had a lot of issues with social media companies censoring your stuff or trying to restrict what you can post and stuff like that? Yeah, I was

permanently banned from Facebook and Instagram. They both reversed it after a lot of backlash. I was banned from Linktree. I was banned from... Sorry, hi, can I just stop you there? Why were you banned from Facebook and Instagram? What was the post and what were the reasons? I don't know. It was just community guidelines or something. It wasn't, wasn't a specific post. And it's always very vague. Facebook and Insta. Facebook and Instagram.

Well, pre-Elon, I was banned seven or eight times from Twitter, temporarily banned. What else? It's hard to keep track. Slack. You were banned from Slack? For what? I don't know. Well, Slack is just like a workplace messaging app.

I know. So it's not public facing. We lost all of our data and we had to find a new platform. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. So you're permanently banned from Slack? permanently banned from Slack.

And did they give you any? No, no reason. Okay. Wow. That's... See, what that's not even about like protecting people, which is what they would normally say, right? That's just like we don't like this person. We're not going to let them work.

So actually, Ted Cruz just did a huge investigation into some of the censorship from all these companies and you know if I could get my phone I could read it yeah go through your phone boys so we've got you your phone you're now ready what's Ted Cruz found so basically slack determined that Lizzo TikTok violated their policy based on three social media posts concerning gender affirming hysterectomies and all ages drag shows so and then the slack told this committee the congressional committee that what makes lives of TikTok problematic is that lives of TikTok has a specific audience and they are taking this information and posting it to that specific audience so that everyone in that audience sees it at the same time what uh

i don't understand so it's problematic because you to have a account and people see it yeah i i i could be wrong but isn't that the point of social media yeah i don't think you're wrong no um so so slack was is upset that i exist that social media exists and i mean they specifically mentioned they were upset that I expose Children's Hospital for providing hysterectomies. So Slack does not want this stuff exposed and for exposing

drag shows for kids. Wow. So they have kicked you off their app because you have been sharing things on social media that is true that they disagree with. The other people posted, by the way. And this is the left

in general. They're more upset at me for exposing these predators and groomers than they are of the fact that it's actually happening, which is absolutely crazy. And this is how they push people away from them. Well, hi, I hope you keep it up because I think you're doing really important work, to be honest. I'm not stopping anytime soon. I would never give the left that satisfaction. Great. Well, it's been great having you on the show. We're going to go to locals in a second where our audience ask you their questions. But before we do, we always end with the same question, which is what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be?

Um, okay, it's going to be super controversial, but I think we need some kind of like official declaration that pineapple and pizza is really good. Yeah, you've completely lost me there. Cut. Cut. That is, I'm going to get kicked out of America. You know what? I would ban you from Slack just for that. Yeah. Now I know why they banned you. You know what? I'm with Slack. Well, you've lost your entire Italian audience. Yeah, exactly. All the Italian Americans are going to be kicking on. I know. I was in Italy and there's no planable pizza there. Yeah, because they've got culture.

Yeah, and taste. Head on over to locals where, I mean, we're going to destroy her with facts and logic for half an hour about this nonsense. Yeah, and we're going to champion slack. Yeah. Does constant documentation of the most loony people on the internet take a toll on your mental health?

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