TRIGGERnometry - Mahyar Tousi: "The BLM Agenda is Communist"

Episode Date: July 5, 2020

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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Poster. I'm Constantine Kishin. And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Our brilliant guest today is a conservative YouTuber. Maya Toosie, welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. It's good to have you on the show. Man, you've been doing some great work in the last few weeks and we're delighted to have you on. But for anyone who doesn't know who you are and what you do, just give us a background. You've obviously got an interesting backstory as well. Tell us who are you, how are you where you are, what has been the journey that brings you to this very uncomfortable chair, right?

It is quite uncomfortedly. We do that on purpose, right? Yeah. And so usually people say conservative YouTuber because it's easy, obviously, to say that. But it's longer. My definition is I'm more of a classical liberal conservative YouTuber or libertarian-leaning conservative. It's very long.

Complicated because I think it goes back to my background. So for those who don't know, I was born in Iran. I came here as a kid. My mother was a political refugee. came to the West, obviously, they have freedom, and I grew up on a council state in Lewisham, kind of like a typical working class London life.

So you downgraded from being in Iran. Yeah, I had a relatively middle class back to the Iran. Yeah, and that was the first culture shock. The second shock was the fact that I came here. I thought people in the West would be very proactive, positive, you know, because they have more freedom. The area I was living in in Southeast London,

And everybody was grumpy. Everyone was saying, this is the worst country ever. It was just unhappy. And I was like, well, this is not working. It's something wrong because, you know, I was seeing the good things. And didn't think of it as the perfect thing. But, you know, things were going well.

At least we had, we were free to leave the house without, you know, being worried about the police. That was before the lockdown. Are you sure this is Lewis, you, Maya? Lockdown has brought back some nostalgia. I was actually on the tube earlier. everybody has to wear masks. But people are just having their masks

hanging around their neck. And then if they see an inspector, they put it back on. It's just like in Iran because headscarves are mandatory. So women just leave them hanging. When they see a police officer, they just put it back on. Same thing. But yeah, so obviously I came here, went to university, studied finance,

and then I realized I don't want to work in finance. It's too boring. So worked in parliament. Then I realized I don't actually want to work in politics because it's also boring and the money is terrible, but I was political because of my background. So then I just had normal jobs. I did it by working a pizza shop and everything.

Then I started YouTube as a hobby. And this was the moment when the Iranian regime decided to ban me from entering Iran because apparently I am now an MI6 Tory agent, if you didn't know. So if I go... You're not being very cover about it. You're putting your shit on YouTube and everyone's watching it. The new training we've got is double bluff.

Yeah, but we've had some... budget cuts in there my face. So they banned me. So I got angry. So I went on YouTube on Facebook, we made videos and started ranting. And my friends were like, just make more videos.

So I made videos and then Brexit happened. And then that's when I peaked. And now that's where I am. And you peaked because you were pro-Brexit. Yes. So obviously, after the 2016 referendum, I campaigned for vote leave.

And we thought, that's it. Victory. Done. Let's move on. Then two years later, we were still stuck. So this is around

2018, 2019, or the end of 2018, when that's when I started doing the YouTube videos again because of Brexit and how Theresa May was a terrible manager as a leader. And that's when a lot of my audience were created because they were sick and tired of the mainstream media. They didn't get proper information or update on Brexit because they were just repeating the same things. So I was trying to give them some more information about what's actually happening. And what I've always been doing with my channel is I'm always open and honest about my leanings so that I don't pretend to be completely impartial. But I always try my best to say, being objective,

these are the facts. This is my opinion on this fact, but you decide for yourself. Do your own research, whatever you want to do. So I think that's what people like. And why is it that you have these sort of conservative leanings? Was there a specific moment, or is it kind of an evolutionary thing? Why are you so evil as well? Yeah.

Well, I hate poor people. No, he's not. Come on. No, come on. It's not evil. It's problematic. That's what you want. I love that word.

Yeah. Yeah, everything constantly says is problematic. That's true. I think it's, for a lot of people I know, especially younger conservative-leaning people, usually you meet some people who are who were left-wing or born into a socialist family and they had an awakening or red pill moments or some people were just born into a conservative family. For me, it's kind of neither. It was gradual.

But then deep down, I realize it was always in me, genetically and also upbringing and everything. I'm culturally conservative. So when people ask, well, are you left or right? Because it's quite vague. I would say culturally I'm conservative. So I believe in flags, border, family. Economically, that's when my strength is. I'm free market capitalists.

I'm basically believing almost no control. I could compromise on a very, very tiny safety net to make sure that people are still protected. And socially, I'm a libertarian. So I believe you should be able to do whatever you want as long as they don't harm anybody else. And I think it's just been always in me. And I think because of my upbringing in Iran, we were told you're not allowed to do certain things.

So you just want to be free? I think that's how it was created. And do you think we don't, how can I put it, appreciate freedom in this country? Yeah, we're taken for granted massively. It's a cliche. We've always been talking about this for years and decades and everybody, intellectuals from left and right. And we know, we could always talk about like 1984, the book and everything. But it is reality because also not only that people are not grateful for the freedoms they have,

but they're also not interested in politics, but that could be a good thing. So in the West, when things are relatively well in a society, things are generally good. You're safe. You have a job, you have family. People aren't interested in politics. They also don't go out to vote properly. Whereas in countries like Iran or other countries that, kind of like Russia, when they have elections, people even know that those votes don't really count, they still queue for hours to vote.

even though they know it's rigged, but it's because, you know, that's the value that they want. And in the West, yeah, we take it for granted. And I think if we're not careful, I mean, I'm not one of those pessimistic people, but over the next few decades, not just yet, especially with the woke stuff.

Right now is a joke. But eventually, it could get serious and, you know, we could shoot ourselves in a foot. It's a really interesting point you make about appreciating the opportunity, and I suspect it's probably a symbol of how successful the West has been in creating a stable society

because you talk about Russia and Iran and all of these places. Glorious nations. Yes, exactly. Fantastic places to live, unless you have the wrong opinion. But, you know, in those places, the outcome of an election has the potential to radically transform society. In other words, if you have one person, two candidates, one of them will create a society that looks nothing like the other one, right? And that's why people feel so strongly and passionately about the right to vote. In this country, vote labor or Tory.

It almost feels like nothing will change. And I think that's probably a big part of why people can become quite apathetic. It's a measure of how successful we've been, isn't it? Yeah, and this is the problem. I've even struggled with this because on the one hand, so the British democracy is not full democracy. That's the whole point of the system, the constitutional monarchy, the head of state that we have,

is there to keep everything stable. It's there to have the Tories and labor be center left and center right, basically boring. Not much will change regardless of how you vote. So that's the objective, which is fine. I have a problem with that because then you create an establishment, but there's very complacent, they make the wrong decisions. Ideally, you want a more radical kind of radical options,

but then that's also kind of drastic, because, you know, you could eventually technically vote for a communist or like Corbyn or whatever. It is a big bit of a risk. But I feel like I'm one of those, my politics, my ideologies, I'm a humanite. I do believe in and trust humans. Even if they make mistakes, they're going to have to make the mistake to realize what it is.

So I think I'm more than I prefer to have radical options than just complacency. And, I mean, there was a radical option at one point in the last general election, which was a Brexit party, wasn't there? Which obviously is now defunct. But at the time, it was a radical option for a lot, particularly for working class people who felt disenfranchised. Yeah, I mean, you could say the Brexit party was the most radical option, for example. but only in a sense that it was more of a wave, not policy-wise.

Not in terms of policy. It was the whole kind of anti-establishment sort of mentality. And so, you know, it's not necessarily that radical in that sense. But as we just said, it's because when the political system becomes so centralized and complacent and they'll look the same, sound the same, walk the same, if something like the Brexit Party comes up for the British culture, that's like radical. The Brexit party for the rest of the world, the Europe, that's like tiny and like, moderate and like very nice.

They didn't say anything too bad. They didn't say anything that crazy. Well, one of the controversial policies was to scrap HS2, which I believe in. Yeah. And one of the interesting things to me, you talk about, you know, you believe in borders. So you basically agree with the people who created Chop and Chaz. They seem to have found the new belief in borders all of a sudden, right? But it always boggles my mind that people think that's like a, a common.

controversial idea because actually a lot of first-generation immigrants like us who came here under the existing legal system don't support people who come here legally or a very large numbers because we recognize that people need to come here and they need to integrate, they need to become part of society, they need to learn the language. And when you get a mass wave of immigration, that sometimes prevents that from happening. And it's not a criticism of those people or rejection of them. It's just a recognizing human reality, isn't it? Yeah. And then we get called that we're taking away the ladder that we use. It's not the case. It's in reality, the way I see politics, I know people use that example, Margaret Thatcher's saying, like economics, fiscal conservatism is

basically good housekeeping. But politics, I always also see it just like how you see your personal life, just life in general on a basic level. You have a home and the house has a door and walls and ceiling. That's your country as well. That's your tribe. Because people are tribal. And tribe starts from home, and then your neighborhood, and then your social circle, friends, and then your city, and then your country, and then your planet. That's just how it is. And when we say, for example, first generation migrants, when they are, or even second generation, when they talk about borders, people on the left say, well, that means you're now a fascist,

or you're basically pandering to the people who hate you secretly. No one said closed down the borders. This is why you're going to say, like Chaz and all these, like lefties. who are being exposed because the hypocrisy is that, well, two days ago they were saying that both in America, Trump and in the UK, we've had police funding in the budget. How dare you crimes going up. Then two minutes later, they said, defund the police. Pick aside guys. And it's a weird situation. And why do you think the term patriotic has become such a dirty word for, there's particularly people on the left, because, you know, I was born here,

you came here, so did Constantine. It's a great country. A majority of the countries, it's one of the best. Why is it bad to be proud to be British? It is a very, and most countries in the West are having this problem, but it's very specifically a British problem. Because in America,

if he ignored the last four years of Trump, because even right now, even Democrats are patriotic, they use the flag and everything. Putting aside Germany, because of a very exceptional case, even in France, all the countries, the Netherlands, they are very patriotic. They're also very liberal, and they're

very, obviously, like, in a Europhile, but they are very patriotic. It's a very British problem because of the culture, because the Brits, since the days of Anglo-Saxons, and then, obviously, you had the kings, England, and then the British Empire. The whole concept of the Britishness or the Englishness at the time was simply to just get out there, explore the world, which was to expand, and then, obviously, the empire came, and then trade across the world. So, and then now, the Commonwealth, which is the same thing, they jump to the next step. Forget about just patriotism for the country. Don't say to ignore it, but we could now just be internationalists.

And then now that that's all over, a lot of people struggle to defend British values. So if you like ask a generic politico, I know, usually you get it from like Lib Dems or Labor, what's British as they say, oh, like tolerance. What on earth is tolerance? Like, firstly, people who think that tolerance is a good. idea over like acceptance. That's bad. I mean, first, it's good. Like, it should be there. Because, you know, if you say something like, you know, idiotic that I don't like. Look, I spend a lot of time telling you what's wrong with the world. So let me tell you about

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triumph over acceptance, because I think what they mean is we're welcoming and accepting, but they say tolerance. So yeah, Britishness had struggled in terms of defending the values that we have. And that's why even I sometimes struggle. So I always try to differentiate between patriotism and nationalism and also globalism and internationalism. So in my view, international means obviously you still believe in free trade and, you know, cooperates them with your allies. But globalism in a sense that you believe in international bodies and then, you know, like the United States of Europe running your country and other countries, yeah, I'm against that. It's about working together with other nations as opposed to eroding national identity and national sovereignty.

Never surrender. That makes sense. But it's interesting. I'm curious to ask you this question because I remember a couple of years ago making a very similar point to a comedian, may even have been a friend of mine. And I remember saying to him, well, I think it's important that we recognize that Britain has a certain set of values. And like, you know, there's such a thing as British values. And we must kind of.

And he was like, what are you talking about? There's such things British values. And I'm going like, how can this, I don't, you can't survive as a civilization if you don't have any sense of what your values are. Can you? No, you do need to be self-aware. And it's not, I mean, we did criticize the whole, the struggle with the British values a lot of people have. To be fair, people in France and other countries also have that struggle. I was talking to an Italian friend who was thinking that their values are just basically getting rid of the Roman Empire.

Well, did you do it? And also, like, food. Like, I don't think food is your value. So it definitely is, man. Anyway, in terms of, yeah, the way you deal with it. And it's language and everything. But I think when it comes to British values, it should be a lot easier to defend or explain what they are

because they are out there. So, you know, it's more visible, not visible in that sense. But, like, you have the modern structural democracy came from here. Values of free trade came from here. Because they had to get out there. As I said, they had to go explore. and the modern version of justice in terms of the law and order came from here. And there's a lot of, I mean, and you could then talk about all the trivial stuff.

And like, you know, we talked about food earlier like Italy, but, you know, language, humor, like all the things that, you know, how you are with your neighbors, your attitude, the whole self-replicating stuff, the whole kind of be polite. Even if you want to be like, you know, very direct and say, I hate you. And I keep looking at you, I hate you. But, you know, just be more civil and be more civilized. These are our values. And why do you think that we can't embrace and love the fact that we're British

and it's seen as a dirty thing in this country? We've been brainwashed using our education system for decades. The only history that we actually learn in this country, apart from like the ancient times is just about the Greeks and the Romans and a couple of things. First, no one talks about the Persian Empire, the first empire. It's very selective the way. history is taught, then they skip from the ancient times. They skip most of it and they come closer to basically after the like 1500s, 1600s and then the empire. And then so what all you see and all you're

taught is the bad things that come because that's bad. Like oh yeah, it's the moment when the west became powerful. So the west in history books are always seen as superior and now we have to feel guilty about it because it's now our fault. They forget about it. There was a time when Europe and Western Europe was just full of like villages and people were just eating with their hands. And it was the Middle East and East that, you know, had civilization and, you know, medicine, architecture, mathematics, all invented by those Muslim empires that occupied that space. But you're right, we don't, we don't ever get taught about it. I'm not sure if they're having a conversation about slavery in the Muslim world at the moment.

Because they had a little bit of that, I've heard. So we seem to be taking a very one-sided approach into history is what you're saying, really. And speaking of all of that stuff in history, you've done some reporting, if you like, because what you've really tried to do, I think, more recently, is to look at what's actually happening on the ground and present. Because I think you're right, a lot of people don't trust the mainstream media anymore. And we've seen it over the last couple of weeks, obviously it was laughed and mocked to death, the largely peaceful protests, which injured 27 police officers, all of that stuff.

So you actually covered the BLM process. in London. Tell us a bit about that. Yeah, so firstly, I got there slightly later that both sides were divided. I accidentally ended up on the BLM side as I was walking. Then we had... Well, you'd fain, man. Just visually. But Maya, sorry, just explain about where it was, what city you were in and...

Oh yeah, so essentially there was a massive protest in Western State, Central London, and said Parliament. This was a day when there was supposed to be counter-protest against BLM. So the people who were trying to defend the statues. And that was a coalition of various groups. So you just had some random people, like, you know, just like ordinary people, and you had some, you know, veteran groups. You had your typical football lads.

You did have a small group of, you know, actual crazies. You just like causing chaos in the morning, but they all left. And but the media only talk about them, saying, you know, they're all basically far right or whatever. And then you still had the Black Rights Matter slash Antifa. And even in that group, you still had a lot of random kids, you know, just being dragged there because they thought it's a good cause, obviously. They didn't, they don't know much about the organization.

But then primarily you had massive activists who've been doing this for years. They used to it. It's like a young Jeremy Corbyn, for example. You know, they love that sort of stuff. But I was there, and the mainstream media were, even the police, it was very interesting. The police on the BLM side, there was a massive divide. You had your typical standard community support police officers, genuinely.

And then on the other side, you had this like riot squad. And again, surprisingly, unsurprisingly, most of the violence actually came from the other side. I'm not even defending any side, right? I'm just being objective because, you know, the anti-BLM side, let's just say, they did cause some chaos in the beginning. They were randomly attacking the police for some reason. But we've seen the pictures, we've seen the videos,

also the reports from hospitals, all the people who got attacked were attacked by the BLM side or Antifa side. But it wasn't really reported. So that's what I try to do. And what I try to be objective, sometimes I've angered my own side. Sometimes I criticize my own side, or the conservative government, for example.

But I don't care. Because if you have to tell the truth, you just have to tell the truth. So just to be clear, for anyone who may have not followed that necessarily in its entirety, what you're saying is you were at the protest and your opinion is that most of the violence

was instigated by the BLM-associated groups. rather than... Because with the pictures that I saw, I don't know what happened, I wasn't there, but my impression was you had these football hooligan groups who were attacking the police, throwing stuff at them. Nazi salutes as well. Nazi salutes, right?

That apparently happened. Well, that didn't... I mean, firstly, I didn't see it, and also the videos that they said, these are Nazi salutes. They were just, like, literal, like, football fans that do the kind of like this. And the videos on Twitter that people share

saying these are Nazis. And Gary Lineke, who's in football, He knows exactly what it is. That's where he got attacked saying, you do know that's not an artist city. But obviously, there were people who would do that. I'm not saying they weren't. I would definitely be some people who would believe in that.

And I'm not saying that the majority of the black lives matter activists cause violence. They were largely peaceful. Well, yeah. I mean, genuinely it was. I mean, well, peaceful in the sense that there were still causing chaos. They were still throwing things. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, yeah. And the majority of violence happened from the BNOS. That's different. That's interesting. So why do you think anyone who, who was reading the newspapers or watching the news would have got a different impression. So some people say the media are purposefully biased. Some people would go with actual conspiracy theories that, you know,

or they are obviously funded by, like, you know, obviously Marxists. I mean, if I'll find evidence, I'll be fine. But I would go with the fact that they are absolutely out of touch. The mainstream media, these organizations, whether it's the BBC or anyone, like, even Sky, they are very, very proactive when it comes to diversity of, you know, finding staff members who are like in a different skin color or different genders. But in terms of their diversity of thought or actual values, they're all the same. They've all gone to Oxford. They've all went to the same schools. They've all obviously like

in a private school and boarding school. They've all had the same kind of groups and they all believe in the same things, which is, you know, essentially big government, control freaks like nanny states. And it's difficult to be impartial if everybody in the organization believes the same thing. And this is why I'm kind of against actually the concept of completely impartial news. I would rather have news outlets who are open about their biases of what they are and like left, right, up, down and everything. And people could obviously decide for themselves. You can still have a concept like the BBC, but if they become completely dry and just report, very boring, just give out the stats, like fact check or whatever. And, and, you know,

but obviously no one will watch it because it's not interesting. That's the problem with it. But Maya, don't you also think as well, it's that because our media is very left-leaning, isn't it sort of career death or suicide to come out and go, well, I don't really agree with the Bat Lives Matter organisation, or I don't really agree with the way they conducted themselves, or there were acts of violence and thuggery on this particular side? Yeah, so this is exactly what happens, not just with the media, with brands right now, companies. The so-called capitalist companies like Netflix and, well, Premier League and Sky,

they seem to be afraid, like the media, that the audience, the audience on this planet or in the West are generally liberal left. That's not the reality. And again, it's because we've been brainwashed by the education and the media thinking, for example, the whole country is like London. London is not the UK, firstly, it's not the representative of the UK, like New York is not representative of America. But this is all you see. And it's like, you know, when you watch Hollywood movies, like the American movies, everything's the same.

But when you go to actual America, deep America, people don't look like that. People don't live like that. And it is going to backfire. My point is, for example, if Netflix are censoring their own stuff, if Sky are primarily becoming really woke, like their audience are football lads. Like, they are going to lose revenue.

They're going to lose their supporters. and it's happened with Gillette last year when they did this woke adverts for their product and they lost a lot of revenue. And ironically, they're supporting Black Lives Matter whose agenda is to bring down capitalism. So the first people they go after is the same company. So it's weird.

And when you were there and you were with the protesters, I imagine a lot of them were just, you know, kids, young people, you know, who wanted to make a difference, all very, very noble. But they didn't really understand what BLM is all their political goals. No, I would say, I don't know if I should say it, but my sister, she's 17, and she's currently one of their supporters, like in terms of the cause.

So this is all the other thing. So there's the BLM organization, there's also the movement, and then there's the cause. People forget about the actual, that there are three. So some people say, I believe in movement. No, no, I don't even believe in the movement, because the organization, the agenda, whether you're looking on, it's communist. That's what it is. The movement is about identity politics.

And the cause, anti-racism, well, we should all be anti-racist. I believe in that. That's fine. And I will fight racism if I see case by case, you know, whatever. And I don't believe that there is institutional racism in this country. That's what the movement tells you. And, yeah, there are a lot of people, especially young kids who are there, you know, that's where they're fed. If a police officer in America is brutal against someone, well, it's definitely because

that police officer is racist. But did you read his mind? Obviously, there are individual racist police officers, but, you know, first, you need evidence because the data that came out that the police officers in America killed, back in 2018, killed nine unarmed black people, but also 19 unarmed white people. So that's just one piece of data, and there was also other data that should prove that there's a problem with police brutality, not necessarily they're all racist or they have a racist guidelines and they just go after black people. It's not true.

I think another question that, and by the way, I really appreciate the way you've separated the movement, the organization and the cause. And the cause. I think that's a really good thing. And that makes a lot of sense because everybody supports the cause. Everybody supports ending racism or preventing racism from happening. But I think a lot of people don't want to go down that intellectual route or finding out what the cause and the organization. But it's not just too much. I think it's more than that. I think I've found myself. saying to people, okay, you say you support Black Lives Matter, and I support being against racism. I completely support that. But have you had a look at what the organization actually stands for? And they go, no, send me the link. So I send them the link, and then I don't hear back. And I think part of that is if you are given that information and you ingest it and you are intellectually honest, then you go, well, I can't support this, therefore I no longer support Black Lives Matter. And then people don't want to go down that route. It's true. And then you find out you're Russian.

Exactly. Russian fed information. Exactly. People just, I think a lot of people are just terrified. It's also the faults of both sides. I don't know if I should say both sides, all sides on every political debate, because because humans are tribal,

and it's literally like supporting a football club when it comes to political cause for some reason. Whereas like, for example, Brexit as a topic was supposed to be quite, well, dry and boring. It's the concept of Brexit is supposed to be, who do you want to do your paperwork? The building in Westminster or the building in Brussels with these admins. It's a very bureaucratic thing. But obviously it became more interesting and sexy, so people took sides like football teams.

Same thing with this. The problem is both sides, whether you're anti or pro BLM as an organization, they just shout at each other. So if you had someone coming to you pro BLM saying, can you like, well, prove to me that are wrong, usually you would say as an anti-VLM, a lot, you would say, as an anti-VLM, a let's just say that person would say, well, it's because you're all commies. That wouldn't help. You know, if you're kind of slightly more civilized and be like, this is the fact.

Just I'll leave you to it. Like, just whatever. And if they come back, then you could shout. Like, I'm like, are you still a comedy idiot? I literally gave me the information. And I think this is the problem. But the cause, I mean, even the movement is idiotic. It's like going on the street and say the sky is blue.

Well, well done. Or like, people like babies. Well, yeah, we all do. Like, it's idiotic. But the thing I was going to ask, and it's good that you've explained it. The thing I was going to ask about it is, and it's a question. I haven't heard anyone ask or anyone explain the answer to, is why do you think we're having these protests in this country

about something that happened in America? Why are people in Brazil protesting about this? Why are people protesting all around the world about this one incident that happened in the United States? Why is it that we do that? It's because, so people think it's as lazy as, Oh, America does export things to us, but like Halloween and everything. But it's not just that.

It's the same reason that when, for example, someone like Trump became president, you had massive protests in London. Whereas when the president Xi became president in China, he didn't have any protests because... So if I were to, like, put myself in the shoes of the left, they think that they have high standards of the West. They have high expectations from...

And the West. And this is surprisingly, ironically, kind of racist because they're putting Americans and the Brits in the same category. Because you look the same, and you have the same language, so you are the same. And surprisingly, Americans are very different to Europeans. So if they look different Americans,

like in terms of the masses, the skin color, and also had different language, I don't think they could have said that. It's because they generally look white and they speak English. They put us in the same category. And every single time there's a debate in America, we get stuck in it as well.

And it's not just us, Canada and obviously certain other countries, Scandinavia sometimes. Whereas you're right, if people really, it's like Extinction Rebellion with environment. We are doing really well in this country in terms of being pro-environmental,

whether you're like it or not, that's what the government's gender is. They're doing it really well. Everything's very clean and green. There are problems in Asia, India and China. Go there. But, you know, they don't do that. And do you think, Maya,

that what the BLM protest did is that exposed that we have weak leadership in this country, particularly with Boris Johnson, because I didn't see him really make a stand for a long, long time when everything was kicking off. Yeah, I mean, with the short-term problems of, like, you know, letting these, you know, basically anarchists go around and do whatever they want, absolutely weak leadership. And Boris's government, the whole cabinet, Downing Street, have been very late to everything recently. Every decision. been late, even with the lockdown, took an agency to decide if they're going to do it or not. And then with their schools, like, can you go back to schools?

No, we won't. I'm like, okay. Just decide. Everything was like this. And I think especially ever since he came back from hospital, hasn't been himself. But that's one issue. There has been weak leadership in the West when it comes to tackling these things. But this is the recent one.

We've had things like this before. Again, you had the Anoco Green people protesting before and just did a lot of things. They shut down the city airport in London. But I think the weakness, the biggest weakness we have is intellectual weakness. And again, you can't fix it overnight. We could use generation over generation to do it. But we can't because education system is, and academia, is dominated by the liberal left. And people who are right wing usually don't want to be teachers.

They just want to live their own life and make money or whatever. And or they get oustered and they get kicked out. See, the thing is, I know that someone who's a conservative, you're coming out, from that kind of angle of right versus left. I actually don't necessarily see it that way. I think what's happened in academia is the far left have squeezed everyone else out. So it's not a question of the right fighting the left in universities.

I think what it's a question of is everyone being squeezed out by a crazy fringe. I don't think, you know, we have many people from the left on the show, people like Paul Embry, the Socialist, Labor Party, Lifetime member, etc., who has nothing in common. with these people. And I think that's really the issue that people are going to have to confront is it's not in the interest of the left to be represented by these people, is it?

Yeah, that's the thing. And I mean, you just made a good point. Yeah. So to clarify, when I talk about the left, I am actually, yes, talking about the hard left. And that's the problem. You just point out the problem. Even if I, someone like me says the left, I'm basically generalizing all of them. Right. And because yes. Yeah, because, oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm a sidest. Yeah. But, yeah, because the rest. of the left or the center, which I don't believe in the center, but the moderate left or the liberals, yeah, their problem I have with them is just they're all big government control freaks. But yeah, the actual heart, which is a very more intellectual side, but also becomes very violent,

like intellectually violent. What does I mean intellectually violent? So they are exactly the opposite of my philosophy, which is, as I said, I'm a humanite. I believe in every single thing we should do, every policy, every direction with politics should be towards humanity. And not in a sense of compassion. That's the problem we have. People on the left, well, actually, in general left, have the platform of compassion and good intentions. And so because we care about humans, we should take money from that person and give

it to someone else. Like, no, the values of basic values of humanity, which is freedom, don't tell people what to do, no coercion. and opportunity and justice. Just go with those values. And every single thing that we do, every policy should be to make sure you're not taking anyone's freedom.

You're making sure that no one's getting harmed by someone else. And just let them be opportunities there to do whatever they want to do. And whereas when I said they are intellectually violent is they are essentially every single idea that they have, ironically,

even though it's there to have, help people, they think they are there to help people, but it's actually very, very anti-human, anti-human instincts. And that's the problem with the Marxism or cultural Marxism, whatever we want to call it, that they supposedly they're supposed to be coming up with all these ideas to help humanity, but they become so tribal that they're not defending humans anymore, they're defending their ideology. And Maya, you said that you don't believe in the centre. Now, Constantine describes himself as a centrist, can you explain to me? and no more 300 words or less why he's wrong.

Yeah, it's like bisexuals. That's controversial. Well, it's like people who mix tea and coffee together. No, I get the concept of why people see. Because as I said, the way I describe myself is a bit of a pick and mix sort of thing. So yeah, it's more of a, I would change the word, center, pick and mix,

because you can't be a Puritan conservative, Puritan, liberal or socialist. I don't think they exist. Some, some exist. And it's intolerable. Because, yes, you could be culturally conservative, but, you know, socially liberal or whatever. So people think that's the center. By the center, I don't mean people who have beliefs that are in a center. I'm talking about like political parties or the agenda. Yeah, it's not an ideology. It's not. It's not trying to make the center kind doesn't exist. It's a black hole. No, I agree with you. Like what I mean when I say I'm in the center is that I have some conservative of policies or views, I have some liberal views. It's just a mixture of the two. And therefore,

I don't feel like I'm part of the center right or the center left. It's just the mix. Fuck you. Yeah, welcome to the last episode of Trigonometry. But we always talk about, you know, going back to racism, that we live in a deeply racist country. And, you know, and it's propagated by people on the left. And, you know, you're somebody who came to this country as an, as an You came to this country from Iran. Do you think we have a problem with racism in this country? Do we think this is a racist nation?

Yeah, I had experienced massive racism in Iran. Well, not for me, but I've seen other people. Yeah, so I could play the card, and I hate to play the cards, because I'm just using it just to prove my point, that the personal card, because I don't like it when people say, what I experienced is that means that's basically the reality. But from personal perspective, we came here, my family, genuinely haven't experienced

the racism in that sense of experienced racist comments ironically from the left people calling me Uncle Tom or whatever and whereas I have cousins in Germany who every now and then they get beaten up in alleyways

just because they're brown just casual like they're used to it it's like a Tuesday like I was walking in alleyways like yeah they're fine they just go home and like oh yeah it's got beaten up again yeah genuinely

so there is and it is the Germany is now supposed to be self-hating and progressive. So it still happens. And again, you could use other continents and cultures in Asia, in Africa, North Africa especially. But I don't think you could find anybody who would be able to give you actual evidence. Even by evidence, I mean, actually like recordings or like just use their phone to, for example, over a period of a month and they're out there, someone who's not white, to give you, oh, I experienced. like 55 examples of racism in that sense, like in a constantly, it doesn't exist. It won't happen. Also, by racist society, I'm talking about institutional racism. Politicians, people in charge,

it is absolutely, especially with the British culture, because they were exposed to other cultures because of the empire. And there was a reason that after the Commonwealth was created, they all wanted to come to the UK from Nigeria and India, despite the problems that passed. Whereas all the other colonies for other countries in Europe, they didn't really want to go to, like, like Spain or Portugal. They all stayed in like, you know, obviously South America or whatever. And I think, yeah, the British culture

is because it's, as we said, tolerance and just slightly nicer because they have to be polite because they can't be mean and racist to you directly. So I can assure you you won't experience racism as much in this country, that's my point. So I guess what you're saying is

there are people who may be racist from time to time, but it's not, likely that the experience of an ethnic minority person is that day to day they experience this oppressive just wall of mistreatment and... Yeah, not just that. And the sort of things that the English, let's just say, the actual English, like, people go with the English identity, get accused of, like, racism, you know, and with the Brexit stuff, UKIP, whatever. And I have spoken to a lot of these people.

And we're talking about, like, ordinary people who are like, you know, just get involved with politics or go on the street or whatever. They get accused of being racist, but in reality they're tribalist. They defend, you know, Britain and the border and say, oh, foreigners are coming in here, taking the draws or whatever. But when you actually talk to them and try to have a slightly semi-intellectual conversation with them when you sit down, you realize it's not the skin color or anything else. It's the whole tribal thing that, you know, we need to protect our community.

We need to protect our country. We're not saying don't come in. We just don't want it like in a, I'm in a village of like 10 people. And then now we have 11 new people, because the tribalism that have experienced these conversations from like people in Cornwall, people in Lincolnshire, they also hated people coming from London. So it's not the skin color, to be honest. Yeah. So it's not the skin color. They hate other white British people coming to their communities and like taking their jobs. And it's not, it's tribalism. That's the problem we have in this country.

Yeah. But and again, whether you are going to be able to eradicate that from human nature, I don't know that you can. No, that's the thing, when the movement of BLM think that we have to, well, eliminate racism and prejudice, right. It's like saying there shouldn't be any bad. Firstly, they need to be bad for you to recognize what's good.

It's black and white. No pun intended. But genuinely, you could minimize by creating society that's more progressive and that's just to use education. And we are doing it already. The progress we've made over the past century, over the past few decades,

they don't get it. It's the same with socialists who are anti-capitalists who are saying, oh, because we have homeless people, we have poor people. Yeah, but compare it to like a few decades ago. And, you know, we're getting there, but everybody's in a rush. They want instant change. And the moment they try to fix it, they're going to create more problems. Yeah, I mean, it's very, very interesting that you say that. I mean, where do you see us culturally? Do you think we've hit a crisis point now between, you know, because you said that we were making great progress. And I've seen society over the last few years with the, you know, with the digestion of identity politics, become more racialized, become we now like to put

people into these wonderful little subgroups. Do you think we've hit crisis point yet when it comes to the culture wars? Or do you think it's going to get worse? It's not the peak yet, but doesn't mean that it will get to the peak in terms of it would like literally be like 1984. It could, but it could also go back down, not quickly and not that easily. So The two obvious options will either be scenarios. You could actually get to a point in the next few decades that we will have a 1984 society, a big brother society. This time, ironically, not created by the state of government, but by society itself,

the mob mentality. And that's a problem. And this is the issue we have in certain cultures, certain cultures in the Middle East, like Saudi Arabia. It's not just the fact that the state is authoritarian, but society is authoritarian. or like anti-women's rights and everything. But actually, before you go on, and I really want you to finish that point, I mean, you talk about how it would be the people.

I mean, the people are going to find some voice. Some left-wing authoritarian is going to come along and say, look, in the interests of inclusion and diversity, people aren't going to be allowed to say what they think anymore. And I'm the man or the woman or the whatever to make that happen for you. And if there's an elector that wants that, they'll vote for that. Yes, so this is my point. And so you will either, we will either find a way in the next couple of decades, the next two generations, basically, to become slightly more sound and fight back.

Things will get semi-bad. We might actually have comedy be cancelled, but we still have some freedoms. But things like this, people fight back. Or, yes, I know it's like massive exaggeration. People don't see it because we're so complacent. We're taking everything for granted. We've been in the West for a century, being good, we've had freedom. but nothing lasts forever.

Even the Roman Empire didn't last forever. So I'm not saying it to be pessimistic or scaremonger anybody, but there could come at a time, maybe in a century, maybe a lot less, that the West will be completely changed and will be dictatorial. And then I think you're going to have a situation

where people are going to have to just wake up and rise up again, but then hopefully I won't be alive by that. I can't fight, look at me. I don't think any of us are going to be alive at that point. I wonder whether you're right. And I also wonder whether decades is the right time frame. Well, we need to fight now. And that's what I do on my YouTube.

And so everybody should do. Comedians. Again, brands, companies, there should be basically a new Netflix to fight against Netflix if they were going to become woke. We should always do this. Start now. Well, it's interesting. I mean, with comedy, for example, there's already talk of like a non-woke comedy platform

being created and stuff like. That will be funny. Probably will be very funny. Yeah, but it's a difficult. For example, you talk about being libertarian. This may be an issue that we should discuss with you as well, is what's your take on big tech, the censorship that we see from them, and equally what's the solution there?

Because, you know, Twitter is quite clearly biased. It's not an objective platform, on the one hand. On the other hand, they've created this new parlor thing, which I've joined just because everyone's telling me to. And I don't want to be in that point. Parlor world either because it's very much the same but from the other angle. It's just people from the right and I'm not really that interested in being in an echo chamber. That's the problem. And I've heard it so many times on YouTube people say, you know, we should create a right wing

YouTube or like with Parlor because the current platforms are biased towards the left. I'm like, well, two wrongs don't make it right. Right. And so I as a libertarian, so I believe private businesses should do whatever they want to do, but also as consumers, is we could criticize them and then we could leave them, we could join them, we could do what do we want. And I don't believe we have, people who are worried about monopolies, for example, we haven't had, luckily, my side of the economic philosophy still

is right on this, it might change, but we haven't had an example in the West or in the world to have a monopoly in any industry, especially long-term monopoly, that has been under a free society. Every monopoly we've had, like back in the 60s and 70s, in the West, in America, and other places here with oil, and then 80s and onwards with banking, it always because there was government intervention. And it was always backfiring because government got involved to make sure there's no monopoly, and they actually created monopolies.

And now in this country, with the energy sector, the government got involved with the Labour Party, and we had like 14 companies, now we have six companies. So the best way to make sure that we don't have a monopoly, like Twitter or whatever, Facebook, is luckily tech is still set relatively free because the internet is difficult to regulate. So there was a time when people thought Facebook was it. Like, you know, if we're not going to have any new platform and Facebook could become really boring or Facebook could destroy us and we have nowhere else to go. But then obviously Instagram came. I know it's still linked Facebook, but like in terms of platforms and obviously Twitter, YouTube we have and everything else,

and now parlor. But you don't think Google, Google and YouTube are monopolies in their fields? So it depends how you define monopolies. They are big players. But by monopoly, I'm talking about the absolute monopoly, which is like in a, there's one website. Okay. But let me put it kind of bluntly for you.

If YouTube ban you tomorrow, is there a place where you could go that you would be able to continue to do what you do? I know the answer is 4chan. That'll be fun. Well, no, I mean, I'll... This is my point. right is they could destroy you in a moment's notice and there's nothing you can do about it

you probably wouldn't even able to get the information to people out there that it's happened in a big way yes well i would go to uh what's that new fan only fans only fans make more money put your stuff up on pawn hub or something yeah yeah but no say um so on the one hand again as a libertarian i would say i could create my own website and have a podcast like a video podcast and take donations or whatever. I'll sell my merchandise. But yes, I'll get a hit. I'll take a hit in terms of revenue.

Yeah, 99% hit. Yeah, I know, yeah. But I'm fine with it because if YouTube wants to kick me out, it's their business. It's like people who are trying to force their bakeries to bake gay cakes or whatever. I'm not religious, but they're right if they don't want to do it. And they could have the right

own, again, under the freedom of religion, especially in the Western America as well. So we still have that. So you could also protect that, even though I'm not actually religious in that sense. But Maya, don't you think they've simply got too much power? YouTube is simply too powerful. They're too big. Yeah. So actually, we need somebody to come in and break them up. Otherwise, what we're going to have is, well, it's a glorified monopoly, isn't it? Or am I wrong? It is a monopoly in that sense, obviously, and it's the biggest player. But the moment you try to get, and when you say someone, if by someone you mean a governmental politician or bureaucrat,

as never worked in history of humanity. Again, this is the problem I have with different political ideologies because people usually go with the politics of intention rather than outcome. If we go with intention, we all want the same things. We want to eliminate poverty. We want everyone to be safe and healthy and well-off and no monopolies. Everybody wants the same thing. It's the same thing with the whole BLM stuff.

Everybody's anti-racist. But go with the intention and go with evidence. And unfortunately, it's not a sexy topic to talk about, especially when it comes to economics. So because, you know, I have to say, because I come from the, like, Austrian School of Economics, which is kind of very libertarian. And, like, Hayek.

And our side always struggled intellectually to defend or promote our values. values because it's not sexy. It's like, let's have this platform free, free transactions, but trust me, it's going to work. I'm like, well, how long they're off the way? Well, 10 years, 10 minutes, whereas the other side, there's the Keynesianism or liberal or socialist or whatever, they say, don't worry about the outcome, but this is what we want to do. This is the goal, and then no one actually cares about the outcomes. It's like, oh, good effort. It didn't work, but good effort. We still support you. That's support. Well, this is where I think I agree with you

very strongly, but I also disagree with you very strongly, which is that... Such a centrist. And I disagree with Francis in the sense, because I think you're completely wrong about diagnosing the problem. Because if YouTube were to ban you tomorrow, they have the power to destroy people who don't agree with them, and they will start to use it, in my opinion. On the one hand. On the other hand, I don't think breaking them up is going to make it better. No. And I don't... And the real truth is, I don't know what would make it better.

And so this is quite a dangerous situation because what happens is, as you say, people start going from intention and they start flailing around and trying different things. They start, oh, let's break them up. Let's revoke their publication privileges. If you do that, they'll sense even more than they already do, right? So I don't know what the solution is, but the problem needs to be addressed. And so we need to look for a solution going just like, oh, I'm a libertarian, let them do what they want. I don't think that's going to work. Oh, no. So I didn't. So. I didn't say, let's not do anything. Oh, no, no, I didn't say let's not do anything.

So what do we do? Yeah, yeah. I didn't say if they kicked me out, I'll be fine. Right. I'll definitely shout and I'll, but the solution has always been there. Humanity, humans, always society will have to fight back. Because, you know, we always live on, but they get an instinct of survival. And we almost spend an instinct a couple of times there, and even since we were like cavemen.

So we always find a solution, especially when it comes to free markets and economics, supply and demand, if you should cross the line a few times. And the thing is with these sort of things, when, again, when humans start to do bad things, like, you know, censoring stuff, for example, it's not just right wingers of the come after. Eventually, they're going to eat themselves the left. Like, they're going after JK Rowling now.

And so when that happens, when they actually lose credibility, then there will be people who would actually leave the platform, enough of them, and then free market, it will provide a new company. That company doesn't have to be right wing. Actually, ideally shouldn't be right wing. It shouldn't be.

It should just be, I'm here to make profit. That's the intention. Here's a new YouTube. And that will happen. And it's always happen. And people will say, well, how would you know it will happen? It's always happen with every industry, whether there's food, whether it's clothes, whether there's transport, planes.

That was supposed to be a monopoly, but not anymore. People are always, again, like taxis and Uber now. And then they've got new Uber websites and apps. Society will always provide. All right, well, it's reassuring when we get banned, all this three of us get banned. Somebody will come a lot. and provide. Maybe it might be a Russian state-funded platform. That'd be great, wouldn't you? I'm sure it would be very secure and no information would leak anywhere whatsoever. But Maya, thanks for coming on.

We've got one more question before we let you go. Which is, what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society, but we really should be? This is a difficult one because what I would usually say is the sort of things I've been ranting about the whole video. Let's genuinely talk about Whether we're talking about politics or behavior or our culture, less focused on what is more logical and rational in terms of don't go with intention, go with outcome. And I think we have to talk about, the one thing we have to stop talking about is academia and education.

And we have to seriously look into reforming it because we've been talking about how to perform businesses, you know, these platforms and brands and politicians, governments, But not many people are actually talking about education. We're talking about how, oh, yeah, they're a left wing, obviously. But we have no solution because, as I said, for example, I don't like to use the words right-wingers, but the anti-left don't become teachers. Don't get into the education system.

And then we wonder why each generation is becoming more biased than weird, and avocado eating, Islington living. That's the problem we have, and I think we should really look into academia in the West. You're right about that. And we get so many messages, both Francis and I. from teachers or people in the education system who say, well, look, I'm not right-wing, but I'm not super woke left-wing, and I feel like a pariah in the staff room. People weren't talk to me. I fear speaking my mind because I've seen what happens to other people who do. I think there's a lot

people who watch this show, who messages and say literally that. And I think that's an issue. I think that's an issue that needs to be addressed. Maya, thank you so much for coming on. Where can people follow your work and check out the stuff that you do. Yeah, so YouTube.com slash Myat Tuesday, well, basically my name is difficult to spell, but it's just my full name, M-H-Y-R-T-O-U-S-I. And yeah, hopefully you'll join and subscribe and get free t-shirts. No, it's not free. You have to pay, but get T-Syship.

He's right wing. It's not going to be free, is it? Let's be honest. But, Maya, thanks for coming on. Thank you, guys for watching. We'll see you very soon with another episode or a live stream. Make sure you tune in. We have a live stream on.

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