TRIGGERnometry - The Dems Want An Open Border - Megyn Kelly

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

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The number of crossings across the southern border in 2020, his last year of being president, was around 400,000. Now it's 3 million. I just see a lot of well-meaning people who don't seem to understand that actions have consequences, whereas a lot of people are now starting to suspect that this is deliberate. There are Democrats all over the place, on camera and in print,

saying, I need more people in my district to save myself from losing my reelection. Isn't this going to create a massive backlash? 100%. And it's already starting. Megan, you're one of my favorite and most astute commentators in America. And one of the things I love and Francis and I, we come to America a lot, is the can-do problem-solving spirit in America. Like when I come to the U.S., I feel like it's a place where people just solve problems.

They work stuff out. When things go wrong, they just get together and solve them. And yet, as I'm watching from the outside, and when I come to visit increasingly, I mean, you guys don't have a southern border. Illegal immigrants are beating up your cops and then walking out of jail the next day, giving journalists the finger.

What the hell is going on? So sometimes it's a little slow moving, that instinct that you're talking about. But eventually it kicks in. And it could take an election cycle. It could take a four-year presidential election cycle. But eventually we will correct. Typically how it goes is we air,

we over-correct, and then we correct the over-eract. And then we correct the over-year. correction and land it where it ought to land. And I think we're going through that in a couple of different things right now, but certainly the rise in crime is one of them. The border, I mean, that's just been such a hot mess and it's going to get solved. I do think I may be in the minority, but I really do think that Trump is probably going to run

away with it in 24. And that'll be largely driven to this immigration mess. Joe Biden can't fool the people with a last minute deal that has a ton of holes in it, that he's really pro. enforcement. We know the truth. You know, same thing on the racial essentialism, on the gender man is slowly but surely we're moving back to normal. So that's a plus. But, you know, it's not lightning speed. It's interesting you say that because to a lot of people, cynics, perhaps, but most people would don't think, I don't think, say, I don't think, say, you've got an election between two

geriatric people who've both been president for one term, neither of whom fixed any of these issues. let's be honest. Donald Trump talked about them, but didn't really get on top of it. Why are you so optimistic? Well, he didn't fix them. And look, Trump had a Republican Congress when he first took over so that not doing more those first two years can definitely be held against him. However, the number of crossings across the southern border in 2020, his last year of being president, was around 400,000. Now it's 3 million. It's, there's no comparison. You know, it's it's not an island. So there's going to be some illegal crossings. Getting it down to zero is

probably a dream that we're not, we'll never attain with or without a wall. But he did do something. He did a lot. He didn't do as much as the end cultures of the world want. I get it, nor that I would want to see. But we were much better off under the Trump policies, thanks to this guy, Stephen Miller than we were once Biden took over. And it's been reported in the New York Times, made a decision to be, quote, more humane. He wanted the world to see us as more humane. And what do we get? We got rape trees at the southern border where underage girls are literally tied up

and raped repeatedly by gang members, cartel members who are getting people across the border. We got murders along the southern border. We have Americans being beaten and robbed and murdered by illegals. We have people from the terrorist watch list entering the country. And none of this is humane in any way.

So it's just a typical liberal policy where in words it may sound good. You like the appearance of being virtue, us. But in practice, a lot of people are getting hurt and treated incredibly unfairly. I mean, we could go down the list of ways in which they've done this to us. So, you know, that's my rant on that. I remember, Megan, when we were talking to Adam Carolla, and he summed it up very, very nicely where he said, if you want to do something illegally, you've basically got carte blanche. But if you want to do something legally, then the government are going to make it as difficult as

possible for you. That is insanity, surely. That's certainly true when it comes to the border. I'll just give you one example. We met some friends in Paris, in Provence, a couple of, well, last summer. And they wanted to come over to visit with their children and just, and they're really hoping to get a job here. What they'd really like is to move to the United States and work here. And the guy is a chef. He cooks for a living. They live very modestly in France. And I said, you know what, I'm sure you could probably get a job cooking over here. They need people. You know, we're looking for people. Do you have any idea the amount of red tape they need to go through in order for him to actually work legally here in the United States, jumping through the

proper hoops? It's ridiculous. But of course, if you would just fly to Mexico and sneak across the southern border, they would give him a hotel, they would give him a work card. They would give him a food card. Pretty soon in some places, they'd be giving him a voting card. They would roll out the red carpet for him. I mean, I saw that. That was a joke, actually, that Biden tore down the border wall and instead rolled out the red carpet for the illegals. So Adam's got a point, right? If you try to jump through the hoops properly, it would probably take you years, years to get a work permit here in the United States. But right now, we've got Democrat governors in at least two or three states pushing to expedite the process for the

illegals who broke all the rules. And Megan, why are they doing this? Well, I firmly believe it's because they want to change the voter rules. I don't care if they call that the great replacement theory or what they want to call it. They've been saying it for years, and I take them at their word. I don't think it's about a racial thing. I think they want new Democrats. And they bring immigrants over.

They're banking on the immigrants being beholden to the government and stuck on government assistance and there's only one party that would like to keep you there forever and that's Democrats and that you'll just like a good little, you know, public assistance person vote blue for the rest of your existence. And that's how they're going to change states like Texas, states like Arizona, states like Georgia, in particular those border states from red to blue. It's been happening. They're on camera saying that this is the plan. So I do believe that that's a large part of it, the most dominant part. And then there is. a liberal belief baked into certain leftists, that that's just what we do here in America,

that we're, quote, a country of immigrants, and there's something, is a bit of a betrayal of our core principles. If we keep anybody out who wants to come here, not understanding at all what modern day America looks like and how it functions and what's happening in these cities. It's just a liberal utopia from people who live in penhouses in Manhattan and want to feel good about themselves. But they're not the ones who are going to get carjacked in the Bronx or have their farm equipment raided in California or have their daughter raped in Texas. So, you know, I don't know why they won't see reality, but they're starting to. You know, thanks to the brilliant plan to bust these migrants, quote unquote, it's illegal immigrants. North, it's getting a little bit better and a little harder for them to ignore reality.

but I do think that sort of basic principle of, for America, you know, give us your hungry, you're tired, you're poor, without any recognition that things have changed since Lady Liberty went up. What do you mean that things have changed? I'm curious to get kind of more fleshed out of explanation, because I remember, you know, I remember I was talking to, I think the guy was originally from Pakistan when I was in LA driving the lift that I was in. And he was kind of, he made the point that I really agreed with.

He said, you know, in Europe, people say, oh, Europeans are really in time. cholerone and xenophobic. And it's, he was like, no, it's just less room. Whereas in America, it's such a big country, everyone can come here, everyone can settle. And that used to be, you know, a lot of people in America would have come in a sort of illegal or semi-illegal way in the past and integrated. And now they are part of the country, their children and grandchildren are part of the country. What has changed in your opinion that means that that is less true than it was in the past? Well, I'll quote that sage Homer Simpson, who still at the banks of the Hudson River at one point with a sign that read,

go home, the country's full. And while we're not full, our cities are overrun. And these people are not moving to rural Kansas, like the frontiersmen and trying to plant a land flag and build something and be productive citizens. For the most part, they come across the border, they go to our big cities, and they live off the government for the entirety of their stay here.

And that means me. And that means my kids and my neighbor, And the neighbors, kids and all of us who are productive and actually adding to society have to support them. They, for the most part, more and more are not wanting to immigrate in a way that would allow the so-called melting pot. That used to be how we were in America. You know, I have grandparents who came from Italy and I have grandparents who came from Ireland. And they came... Got a joke by the moment, yeah.

I blocked it out. No, no, I love my Irish roots. They didn't want to continue speaking Italian. They didn't want to do all the same traditions here that they did back in the homeland. They wanted to become Americans. They didn't talk about themselves as Irish or Italian. They talked about themselves as Americans. They were thrilled to have this new identity.

It's very different now. The leftists don't want that. They're teaching you not to love America, that America is evil. In fact, they talk more and more about how it needs to be abolished. It needs to be wiped out. It's genocidal. and all the rest of it. So we're losing our shared cultural identity.

We're encouraging people to hold on to the identities of the countries from which they came. We're not encouraging, like we used to here, pursuit of the American dream and hard work, assimilation, learn the language, make sure your kids learn the language, understand our customs, respect the country into which you've come. We're not enforcing the rules that should govern respectable behavior like the law. and even from small things like public urination to big things like hurting people, assault, murder, over and over, we give people a pass, we don't hold them with bail, we give them a slap on the wrist for serious crimes. So there's a breakdown in the system overall that used to be in place and enforced, you know, 70 years ago when we were far more welcoming than we are today. And that's a thing that's been shocking for me is to see the breakdown of law and order in the United States.

Because when I was growing up, and I went to the United States, I was always told, look, the police are much stricter here. You know, you need to be careful. You need to be very respectful, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you're looking at the states now, and it just seems to be descending into chaos, to put it mildly. Well, you do need to do all those things because you're a white man. So good luck to you. You're not allowed to do anything wrong.

even in the right things that you do will be held against you. But I'm not really joking because, look, these migrants in particular get slapped on the wrist. And if they're in a sanctuary city, all of which are leftist cities, then even if it's a serious crime, the local law enforcement will not tell the feds we have an illegal here who just violated a serious law, who just committed a felony. Megan, can I stop you there? Because there's a lot of people who are going to be listening to this who are, aren't American, who are not particularly O'Fay with this issue,

and you've just used the word sanctuary city, and they're like, what does that mean? So it's various cities. They're all leftist cities. New York is one of them. Chicago's another, where they refuse to cooperate with the federal government on immigration enforcement. So what that says is if we capture an illegal immigrant, let's say they were DWI, they were driving well intoxicated, we pull them over, we capture them, or they committed a serious felony, you know, they committed assault and battery, and we arrest them. And we run their numbers, you know, their papers, whatever. We figure out that they're here illegally. We will not respond to

ICE, the feds, the immigration arm at the federal level, and tell them that you're here. We'll do nothing to facilitate your deportation. And even if there's basically an order from the feds to turn such a person over, we will ignore it. And we also won't encourage or force any information sharing by that person's family with the feds or any questions whatsoever about that person's immigration status. So you could have somebody who is like a four-time drunk driver

who's actually killed people and they won't call the feds and say, send him back to El Salvador. This one doesn't have to be on our watch. We don't really need to deal with this person over and over. Send him home. He won't respect our laws. And the leftists don't understand

that this is a, lure. This is a lure for these people to go to their cities. You'd be a fool to spend too much time in a place like Houston and not move to a place like San Francisco where now they have multiple reasons not to put you within the long arm of the law. Your skin color, if you're from south of the border, and the fact that you're in illegal and somehow they see you as downtrodden and beaten down by the system before you've ever become a part of it. But that's that's a loon. So what you're essentially saying is government departments are not talking to each other and the system is fundamentally broken. Oh, yeah. And you see the numbers of somebody who eventually will go

too far. I mean, they'll commit, they'll commit a murder that gets national attention of like a 17-year-old girl. And then people say, who is this person? What was he doing here? You know, it makes the news. And then invariably you find out he's been deported five times. There was one guy recently who had been caught illegally crossing the border 41 times, 41, but still free to try it for a 40 second. Nothing changes, in part because neither party will fund border enforcement. It actually is going to require money. And, you know, you look at that bill that just collapsed in the U.S. Senate.

It had $60 billion for Ukraine. It had $15 billion for Israel. and it had about $11 billion for the border here, right? It's why is Ukraine getting 60 and we're getting a fraction of that for our border and we're supposed to celebrate it like it's a big win? They don't want to do it. I just had a long conversation the other day with Paul Murray of Sky News Australia. Great guy.

And we were talking about what they do in Australia. Now that's an island. So it's a little easier. You know, you don't have a porous southern border where people can just flood across. but they do have a problem with Indonesia, some in China, trying to get in Australia. And they have full-time military patrols up and down the coast that is most vulnerable. And they make sure that their Navy and from the air, they spot any boats coming in. Good luck getting into Australia as an illegal.

If they capture you, if they see your boat, they'll stop you. They'll keep you on one of a couple islands offshore in a facility that's not great. It's like they try to make it humane, but it's not the fourth. seasons and it's a place that you'd really like to get out of. You could be there for years, years, but you're not getting in. The solution is not, come on into Australia and in five or 10 years come back for an asylum hearing. Oh, you missed it? Oh, well, bye. That's what we're doing. That's the most we do is say, could you make it back in five, seven years for an asylum hearing? And when they don't show up, we do nothing. So we have a lot to learn from our friends,

over an Australian elsewhere, if only we had the will and the financial result. Megan, the thing that I find very strange, and I think you're absolutely right, I actually don't think it is about money because, as you say, if there's 60 billion can be found for Ukraine, then there's money to be found in the system.

It is a question of will. And what I find very strange is, and I quote all these people in my book, all of the people on the left, the Hillary Clinton's, Nancy Pelosi's, Barack Obama's, they used to sound to the right of Donald Trump on immigration within my lifetime. My lifetime is not that long. I've been an adult for about 20 years.

I remember it. In my lifetime, everybody on the left and everybody on the right used to agree that countries need borders, right? So that's where we come back to your idea that I've seen that a lot of people share, that this is about attempting to import more people who. going to vote for left-wing parties. And I guess I find it difficult to believe, but also easy to believe at the same time, because I can't imagine Joe Biden sitting in the Oval Office going, you know what, you know, stand down, we don't need a border, let's get more Democrats in.

But on the other hand, I can't think of other better explanations. So I'm kind of stuck in this limbo. What I see is there's been an ideological shift in the last 20 years. So how do you, what do you think the balance of those two things is? Because I just see a lot of well-meaning people who don't seem to understand that actions have consequences, whereas a lot of people are now starting to suspect that this is deliberate. How do you try and work out which is which and which is more influential? Well, as I've said, I mean, there are Democrats all over the place on camera and imprint saying, I need more people in my district to save myself from losing my reelection.

I mean, I need an influx of people who are going to vote my way or population that says that they're Democrats in order for me to maintain my seat. So they see it as a plus and a smart move politically. And by the way, just look at how the Biden administration treats immigrants from Cuba. If you want to ask yourself whether this is ideological or not, those people tend to vote Republican when they come and assimilate and become American citizens. Very harsh on immigrants from Cuba. They're not interested in helping the Cubans. But, you know, from these other countries where you're just going to get hooked on government assistance, it's a very different attitude. So I really do think it's largely political.

But of course, you're not wrong that now there really is a hierarchy with the Democrats, not all of them, but the leftists when it comes to skin color. And if you are anything, you know, any shade darker than lily white, you've got a role in the destitution derby that the Democrats pay attention to. They just assume you're downtrodden, you're on their list of oppressed, and they've got some making up to you to do. So it could be, you know, in kindergarten schools here in America, it could be at the college level with the affirmative action program that was just struck down, but they're finding ways around. And it could be if you're an illegal immigrant who just sneaked across the border just to save yourself from a downtrodden economy.

That's I swear that's all it is. Okay, that's wonderful. You have no right to be here. There's a way of getting in if that's what you're fleeing, economic insecurity. That's not a cause for asylum. But they don't care because on their list of hierarchy, you are now at the top and we've somehow wronged you just by skin color. And they've got, you know, in the Robin DiAngelo mode of thinking of things to begin the conversation with an apology and end the conversation with an apology. And their behavior reflects that.

Megan, when you talked about the over correction early, aren't you basically saying that actually this policy is going to be suicidal for the Democrats? because I'm guessing for every illegal EU and poor, there are going to be two Americans who are like, this isn't what we voted for, we're going to vote for Donald Trump or the Republican candidate at the next election. Isn't this going to create a massive backlash? 100%.

And it's already starting. I've been covering elections for a long time. And immigration is always one of the top two or three issues for Republicans, always. You know, 12, 15 years ago, terror was up there too. no longer. Economy is usually number one. Now on the Dem side, immigration is more and more pulling at number two right after the economy. Number two for the Dems, that's entirely due to the busing program and plane program that governors like Greg Abbott of Texas are using to

bust these migrants north to other cities, including sanctuary cities, so that places like New York and Chicago and Philly and elsewhere are getting a taste of their own medicine. And it's not just the Republican governors. Joe Biden is putting them on planes and flying them to place like Westchester, New York, which is steps from where I am in the middle of the night. He just doesn't want people to know he's doing it. But he understands he's got to put him somewhere. And what's happening is on paper, it's one thing to say,

or Texans, but, you know, Texas is pretty big. And I live up here in beautiful Tony, New York City. And I don't really, it's somebody else's problem. I'm just going to feel bad for the migrants and it's somebody else's problem. Now you're having stories every day of those kids in Brooklyn who were kicked out of their school, did not get to go to school because they had to house illegals there. The kids in, I think it was Chicago, who, or maybe it was Philly, I'm trying to remember, but whose rec center, or the recreational center, which had been built by the town for at-risk youth,

you know, these are like inner city kids who have nothing to do but go to the rec center. And if they get kicked out of the rec center, they're probably not doing anything great. on the street, closed down because the migrants had to be in there. Or the videotape that went viral of the migrants, illegal migrants, beating the hell out of two New York City cops, kicking them in the face, kicking them in the stomach, severely hurting them as they were down on the ground, not letting up. And then when they got released immediately with no bail, flipping the double bird, the double bird to the cameras as they walked out having flouted the system.

And then they fled. They got the hell out in New York. And now they're trying to collect. So bit by bit, people are seeing those. things in their own communities, feeling those things. You've got the governor of Illinois, a complete leftist, literally saying, mercy, mercy, please stop sending them. You've got the New York City mayor saying,

I've never been so scared in my life. I don't know how this ends. We can't handle it. The city's facing collapse if this keeps going. Never in my life have I had a problem that I did not see an ending to. I don't see an end into this. I don't see an end into this.

This issue will destroy New York City. Destroy New York City. 110,000 migrants. We have to feed, clothes, house, educate the children, wash their laundry sheets, give them everything they need. Health care, month after month, I stood up and I said,

this is going to come to a neighborhood near you. Well, we're here. We're here. We're getting 10,000 migrants a month. One time we were just in Venezuela. Now we're in Ecuador. Now we're getting Russian speaking coming through Mexico. Now we're getting Western Africa.

Now we're getting people from all over the globe. made their minds up that they're going to come through the southern part of the border and come into New York City. So one by one, you're seeing the biggest leftists in the country say, we get it, please stop it, and going to Joe Biden saying, we need help. And what they're, now they're leftists. So they're not saying shore up the border, not yet. They're saying, give us more money so that we can house these people and expedite the work permit process. So all these people who flouted the law and came across the southern border illegally can jump to the front of the line, whereas that French family I just mentioned is going to wait for 10 years

to get a green card or to be able to work legally in the United States. All of which is to say that people are feeling it in the blue cities now, both at the government level and at the citizenry level. And it is going to change how Joe Biden behaves, even if he wins re-election. Megan, I'm someone whose family comes from one of those countries, the migrant countries. My mother's from Venezuela. We've got one of the largest migrant populations in the world. I have family members who have had to flee Venezuela because they were journalists and

they criticized Maduro's regime. But even I understand that there needs to be checks and balances when it comes to immigration. You can't literally open the door and say to a country like Vadoors regime. Venezuela, anyone can come in. That's just not workable. So I don't understand how well-meaning people can't see that a huge influx of people is going to put an unsustainable amount of pressure on things like infrastructure and services. It's just common sense. Well, not only that, we've missed. I have missed one of the biggest consequences of this, and that is the fentanyl crisis. It's not entirely driven by illegal immigrants, but largely and mostly.

There are some Americans who go down across the southern border or who just make it here. But illegal migrants are without question bringing boatloads of fentanyl across the southern border. The cartels send them over. The cartels get the fentanyl from the Chinese and they put it in the pills and then they come over here. And we had a big hearing on Capitol Hill last week with the tech executives from Snapchat, from X, from Facebook slash Insta, Mark Zuckerberg. And one of the lines of inquiry was these kids are using your products, your social media apps to get drugs delivered to their doorstep in the middle of the night, the middle of the

day. And one pill can kill. They think they're taking an Ambien, a Xanax, whatever, something to stay awake during an exam. It's laced with fentanyl. And they're dead off of one pill. That is part of this problem. And so, you know, if you are living, you know, I live in what's called a super zip, right?

Like, it's a very wealthy town. These people don't think this is ever going to be a problem for them, right? They think this is somebody else's issue. You know what? You know what? It's going to become a problem for these people in the super zip. They're kids going to go off to college and try one of those pills and die. Like if we don't do something about this open border and the fentanyl crisis that comes with

which is largely related. It's two separate things, but they're related. It's going to hit every community. We're already seeing more people die deaths from fentanyl per year in this country than we were having during the opioid crisis that we were having during the crack cocaine crisis. And that goes across class, across race. It's touching virtually every family either has had something or knows someone who's had something with this problem. So it's just so far reaching. it can't be denied any longer. And just now you're starting to see the light bulb come on. And that's why it's going up the charts

when you watch the polls on what the Democrats really care about. Because the fentanyl crisis is utterly heartbreaking. And it affects every city in America. When you're walking down the street, you'll just see someone literally splayed out in front of you. And you look at them and you think, Are you dead? Are you alive? What's actually happening here?

And then people just walk past. And you go, there is something broken with American society where that is just a common occurrence. Yeah, but there's no question. I mean, it used to be just in the major cities and it was the 1970s. And then we had tough on crime prosecutors come in and clean up the cities and enforce the drug laws

and also arrest, I mean, nine times out of ten, these people get arrested because they've committed a crime while on drugs. But it works. Strict law enforcement is actually quite effective at cleaning up the streets. And we also had mental health facilities. We had places to which people could be confined. And we decided that was inhumane. Again, to them, where is the humanity toward the rest of us?

We're a law-abiding citizens who don't want to have our kids step over needles on the way to school. So that's another leftist policy that's really resulted. Again, it sounded so nice to open up the doors of these facilities and protect the civil liberties of those inside. What about our civil liberties? This is Euphoria Calvin Klein, the new elixir collection, featuring three perfume intense scents, inspired by a unique orchid accord, paired with vanilla, each with its own distinct attitude, each with its own universe, bold elixir, sensual, woody, addictive, magnetic elixir, sweet and romantic

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What about my civil liberties? Those of my kids. Do they matter not at all? Just all these policies that look good on paper but when in practice wind up hurting people. One other quick story, if I may. Yeah, of course. I interviewed a mom a couple years ago who had two sons who were high school stars, you know, on the football team.

They both went off to college. They were only two years apart. It came back home from college one night. And she waited. They went to a party and she waited until they got home like most parents still do, even if their kids are in college. And they were fine. And they were two boys.

So she kissed them good night and went to sleep. In the morning she woke up. she found the one son dead. She had no idea how it had happened, what went wrong. She was trying to shake him. She was trying to wake him up. She was in a full panic. So she ran to the other son's room to get help.

He was in his bed dead as well. Both boys had called somebody or used the internet to get a delivery of pills, something that they thought was harmless, not some OD. They weren't looking to do hard Coke. It was something they thought was mild. and they were both laced with fentanyl. Both of her children were dead overnight after having come home stone sober.

That's the kind of thing. We're going to see more and more and more of it. And so I'm not going to say those kids made a good decision, you know, in trying a pill or ordering a pill from the internet, what have you. But there's no excuse for us to be accepting the people across the southern border who are deletive. delivering that poison to our young people. You know, it used to be,

maybe had some bad pot and you'd be on like an extended trip that might not be great. Now you're dead. Within moments, this woman's whole family wiped out in seconds. So it's not sustainable, you know, for all the reasons

that we've been discussing. Yeah, and I, there are a lot of people have been saying that about the cocaine in New York. Now, you can say you shouldn't take cocaine and whatever else, but people are going to do it. But you just can't have people taking what they see as a drug

and then just wiping out schools of people in one night. And we just interviewed actually a guy called Michael Francis, who's a former, you know Michael. Yeah, former mob guy. And he talked about, I think it was his son-in-law, his daughter's boyfriend, who took an Adderall to work on some, used to edit video for him, and again, dropped dead.

on the floor. So this is absolutely crazy. But Megan, we've taken you down a very dark and negative and pessimistic direction. That's because we're British. That's what we do. Trying to be a little bit more American about it. You talked about the pushback. One of the things I've been really enthused about in the early days of 2024 is what I see is the beginning of the demolition of the DEI bureaucracy. The idea you've been talking about a race hierarchy, you know, these people are to be given special treatment over these people and it's been institutionalized

in education and employment and government in all sorts of different ways. It feels to me with what happened with Claudine Gay at Harvard, with what happened with affirmative action, that we are starting to finally realize that this is just a new form of racism that we have to reject if we're going to fulfill

that beautiful dream of people being treated on the content of their character. How do you think it goes from here? Yeah, I agree. We've turned that aircraft carrier around, and it's just going to take some time for the steam in the other direction to get going. But we've turned it. It's people get it now. I do think the Claudian Gay controversy was, you know,

one of the death knells that was needed to DEI. And honestly, just the anti-Semitism on campus in the wake of the Israel attack. It just, I mean, very powerful leftist Americans finally woke up and said, what the hell's happening? Why are people praising this? How can they not see this as terror? Why are they all over Snapchat praising Osama bin Laden? He's got some really good ideas. That's what was happening.

So it got people's attention in a way that was important to stopping this craziness. But I'll tell you, to me, my favorite incident that shows this, happened just the other week. You know, Mark Cuban, who owned the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, he came on my show when I first launched this show back in September of 2020 and lectured me for an hour about how important civil rights are, BLM, yeah, go, go civil rights, go BLM, America's problematic, can't be afraid to speak out. Then we got to the part of the interview where we talked about his support of China

and all the millions he's taking from China and the NBA is taking of China. And he went oddly silent. suddenly he wasn't a champion any longer of the very things he'd lectured me on because it's fine to criticize the United States is terrible. But when you're getting hundreds of millions from the Chinese, I guess it's different. So Mark Cuban's out there still lecturing us all about DEI. It's very, very important, very important to have representation inside an organization. And I'm not going to say it's the deciding factor, but sure, a person's race, their skin color, their gender,

that definitely could be the tipping point, you know, that votes in their favor when I'm hiring someone. And by the way, the CEO of the Mavericks, who worked for him, is on camera saying exactly the same, that she came in, saw a disparity, too many whites, and made big changes. And now they're 50% minority and women. Guess what? That's illegal. It's completely illegal. I used to practice law for 10 years and I did a lot of this kind of work.

the federal anti-discrimination laws do not allow the discrimination on the basis of race or gender in order to help whites or blacks. That's just the way it is. You can't do it because you say, well, we want more of the downtrodden. We want more of the historically oppressed. We want more Native Americans. We just really want this one group that we don't have enough of. That's lovely, but you're not allowed to even consider it at all. And the most beautiful part of the story was, as he's owning it trying to show you what a virtuous person he is,

one of the commissioners of the EEOC, which is the federal organization that enforces employment laws like this, wait in on X saying, yo, Mark Cuban, EEOC commissioner here, what you're doing is against the law. No, it can't be a little factor. It can't be a big factor. It can't be any factor at all. And she made the point that what just happened on college campuses striking down affirmative action only brings a college exception to that rule into line with the rule that's been in employment for over 50 years. So, you know, people like, oh, they don't, they forget.

This is unlawful. What Ibrax-Kendi is telling us to do, correct past discrimination, with present discrimination, is illegal in education, and it's definitely illegal in hiring. And if you happen to be a white man or someone who doesn't get the promotion and you can tell, it's because a less qualified candidate got it thanks to skin color, thanks to heritage, thanks to gender, sue, file a lawsuit. That's really what we listen to over here in America, the lawyers. Megan, you obviously make a brilliant point, and I completely agree with it,

but I think the bit sometimes that we miss, and we ought to emphasize, too, is, obviously, I don't know you that well, so I don't know if you've had this experience, but I'm guessing as a woman in your profession, you've probably been told, oh, you know what, we actually need a woman for this border. We need a woman for this. And you've been offered things occasionally. I know female friends of mine in similar positions to yours who just feel so demeaned because they are talented and skilled and hardworking and they are where they are on merit.

And yet they're being put or offered things simply because of their sex. And it's just so demeaning to the person who is getting that advantage in many situations. Oh, yeah. I mean, I remember when I was at Fox News and Barack Obama was the president, they were going to have National Women's Day at the White House. and they were inviting all these top female reporters to go to the White House and ask a question or two of Barack Obama.

And I said, you know what? I will go when you just want a great journalist at the White House. I'm not going because of my lady parts. It is insulting. It's ridiculous. And honestly, like people do it to this day, even the ones who mean it as a compliment,

I was at some seminar and they said something like, one of the highest paid female journalists in the country and I looked at them and I said, you don't have to say female. And I honestly, like, I didn't mean it as swagger. You know, it is a little swagger. But I meant it as like,

just stop that nonsense. Like don't, I don't want that qualifier in anything. If I don't get there, if I don't get to the top and anything I'm doing irrespective of the female thing, then don't name me. And if I do get to the top,

then don't say female. It's a diminishment. It doesn't make me feel good in any way. It's, it's an, interesting point, you make, Megan, because as with all of these ideas, you know, there was a time where things weren't great if you were a woman looking to get into a certain industry or if you're an ethnic minority. But I think we can all agree that things are much better than the way than how they used to be. Like, I imagine when you started out in your career, you were faced probably with

quite a bit of sexism. Oh, yeah. I mean, sure. I mean, I, I, I mean, I, I graduated from law school in 1995, and even those summer internships I did from 92 to 95 were, they were interesting, you know, these old school lawyers. Honestly, it was like, I have to say most of the time I laughed at it. And then I started practicing law. And I was the only lawyer, the only female lawyer in an all-male lawyer office. And there was a senior partner who was much, much older, and he kept asking me to copy cases for him. And that wasn't my job.

My job was to read cases. and analyze them and represent clients. You had the paralegal copies the cases. And he did not ask the mail lawyers to copy the cases for him. And so I just resolved, I was only 24, 25 years old. I said the next time he asked me to copy one of those cases, I'm going to say something. And sure enough, he did it. And I went to his office and I said,

if you want me to copy a case for you so that we can discuss it and we can strategize over how it folds into our case or our brief, I'm happy to do that. If you just want me to copy you a case because you need me to perform, a secretarial rule, ask your secretary or ask a paralegal. Well, he was apoplectic. This guy. He couldn't believe the disrespect. And he said, do you think the senior partner copies his own case?

Do you think this guy's copies his own? And I said, no, I think they have their secretaries do it. And that was it. I turned on my heel and I walked out. And of course, I was like, I'm going to get fired. He's totally going to fire. He's going to fire. He's going to fire me.

You know what happened? He called up the named partner of the firm to complain about me. And the named partner of the firm said, if you ever ask another associate of this firm to spend their time copying cases for you, it will be the last decision you make here. So they took my side. So it's just a good lesson early on. I didn't involve upper management. I didn't involve anybody.

I just said to myself, I'm going to go in there and tell them, this is bullshit. Get your shit together. I'm not doing your cases. And you know what? It was a good lesson early on on how to handle that. I didn't get irate. I didn't file a complaint against the guy. It's fine.

Most people with a slight brushback will move right on and be, like, they'll take the lesson and know they won't hold it against you. I really wish more young women would be told that and take that to heart rather than trying to make a federal case out of every slight, no matter how small. By the way, you build no muscles by doing it another way, by calling in the boss, by playing the victim by crying in your soup, whoa, it's me, well, my lady parts cost me that, this, you know, forget

it, it's a chance to grow and show to yourself how strong you can be. But the problem is, Megan, that generation are not being taught that. That isn't the message that is being instilled in them. The message that is building instilled in them is you're a victim, this

is an oppressor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah, and I mean, look, they can go that route. Let's see how that works out for them. These are not tomorrow's leaders. That's pretty apparent to anybody who's watching them come up. And my only hope is that those of us who are raising our kids that way, our children are going to have such an advantage in life and navigating the world. Because no matter how far we've come, women are still going to bump into sexists.

People of color are still going to bump into racists. No matter how much progress we make, they're still going to be out there. And the question is, what are you going to do about it? You know, you can sit around and feel like an oppressed minority, whatever your situation is, or you can just laugh at it and find your own empowerment. You know, I was listening to Glenn Lowry

the other day, who I love, economics professor at Brown, formerly of Harvard, black man, and he was applauding the affirmative action decision and saying his feeling when he sees affirmative action is, how dare you rob me of my dignity?

How dare you rob me of my dignity and make me have to to wrestle with other people's doubts about how I got here. I was a brilliant kid. A little bit like the Matt Damon character in Goodwill Hunting. I was working class kid. I didn't have a lot of polish, but I had real, real sharp smarts. My life took a various turn.

I was a father at 18 and at 19 and at 21 and dropped out of college and whatnot. The Bounce Around Community College got discovered like Matt Damon in the movie. Ended up at Northwestern University where I was a wizard. I was taking the PhD level courses in these technical subjects and acing them. Went to MIT, where is that the top of my class, again, forgive this, but I want you to try to understand the point. So my genius, yes, I said it, my gift, my extraordinary abilities were what carried me forward, notwithstanding the vicissitudes of racism

and discrimination in America. to have that minimized by somebody presuming that, oh, you didn't get the MIT without affirmative action. And it's actually true. I didn't get the MIT without affirmative action because every black person is going to be the beneficiary of affirmed factor, whether they ask for it, need it, or not. MIT had three positions set aside in its entering class. And those three were to be black students of the greatest promise. I was one of them in the year that I came in, even though I didn't need to be in that box.

in order to get in because I had A's and everything. In the PhD level courses, I was taking that Northwestern, my professors were writing letters saying that I was the best student they'd ever seen. Because I was. Again, I asked for your forbearance as I twoot my own horn here. God damn it, don't dishonor my amazing achievement by chalking it up to favoritism. I resent it. I don't like it.

I don't need it. I don't want it. That's not a political position. I'm defending my own dignity here. So you're going to call me a sellout? Because I'm defending my dignity. Fuck you. I mean, please, will you get your hands off of my dignity?

Let me succeed or fail based upon my abilities. Don't patronize me, God damn it. That's how I feel, too. How many discounts does USA auto insurance offer? Too many to say here. Multi-vehicle discount. Safe driver discount. New vehicle discount.

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And if you happen to find yourself in a position of being attacked for one of those reasons, try to pick yourself, dutch yourself off and move forward, move through it. If it's pervasive and you can't get past it without involving the lawyers, then you do that. But that should be the last instinct, not the first. Too many times now people go out immediately and try to file a lawsuit. It's like, like I said, the thing with the case files and the guy, sometimes all they need is a polite

brushback and they're better and you're better. And that guy went on to become one of my best mentors at that firm. Wow. That's incredible. It's such a beautiful story. And I think it's a really important message for people to hear, especially young people. They don't hear it from many sources at the moment. And the point you made about your kids, by the way, it's, you know, a lot of people, I have a young son and people, oh, it's such a hard time, you know, young men, this, young men, that. It's not untrue. You've alluded to in the course of this conversation. I think there are a lot of people who have been openly discriminating against white men or straight white men with the evil, the most evil category that exists. However, the reality is if you raise a

generation of these people who think of themselves as victim and your child is not like that, they're actually going to clean up. And that's super exciting for people to hear that sort of attitude from someone in your position. Megan, we're going to move to questions from our supporters that go on locals in the second. But I want to wrap up very quickly the main part of the interview. Very, very briefly, you talked about

the election that's coming. I think it's clear now it's Trump versus Biden. Very, very clear. You, by present, is it wishful thinking or are you that super confident that Trump is going to win? It's not about what I desire.

It's about what I actually think will happen. It's not to say, look, it's not a guarantee. I mean, the Democrats have a great, great, get out the vote machine. The early mailing situation with the ballots is a huge advantage to them. Republicans very reluctant to take advantage of the change in voting rules that were put in place during COVID. And that's to their disadvantage. If they really need to get on board, the mailing ballots or, you know, they're risking

another election. I do think eventually they'll get there. And Trump's got some legal troubles that'll dominate some of the news cycle over the next nine months. But things are looking up for Trump on that front. Three and of the four trials don't look like they're going to happen before the election. And the one that will likely happen is the most BS of them all. It's the you paid off a porn star to not talk about your affair and you didn't document it on your company books as. pay off to Pornstar, which, okay, maybe he'll be convicted. No one's going to care. And by the way, that one doesn't carry jail time.

So he's kind of delayed all of these trials with motion practice to the point where I don't think they're going to be the big albatross around his neck that the Dems hoped. There's one that could still go. It's not a guarantee, but Trump's on his way to pulling an inside straight here on that. Biden only needs is one fall and it's over. That's it. And even at this point, Trump's got a, I think it's a 22 point advantage over Biden on the economy, 35 point advantage on him over immigration. Even with the economy starting to turn around, I just don't see people saying net, net, were my four years under Joe Biden better than they were under Donald Trump when he came to my wallet? There's no way they're going to say yes to that. It's not empirically true for virtually anyone. And same on immigration. Even if Biden implemented Trump's immigration policies tomorrow, which he's not going to. No one's going to forget that he was the open borders president.

He's the reason we've seen all this crime and all the things we discussed. So my gut tells me Joe Biden is in a downward spiral. Go ahead and look at videotape of him just from 2021 when he took office versus now. Many centuries ago, St. Augustine, a saint of my church, wrote that a people was a multitude defined by the common objects of their love, defined by the common objects of their love. What are the common objects we as Americans love that define us as Americans? I think we know. Opportunity, security, liberty, dignity, respect, honor, and yes, the truth.

Right after I was elected, I went to what they call a G7 meeting, all the NATO leaders. I was in south of England. And I sat down and I said America's back. And neither on from Germany I mean from France looked at me and said

you know why how long are you back for? And you tell me how he's going to look even nine months from now and ask people to give him another four years. I don't think people are ready to do it. And Trump, even though he's had a couple of those memory problems himself, is still vibrant. He is robust.

He's feisty. And the thing about Trump is he's charming. He's totally charming. He's funny. He's self-deprecating. He's entertaining to watch. He goes in front of the camera lens. It's like crack for people.

They can't tune away. That's why he's right. He's a ratings machine. The numbers go whenever you put them on TV. Those two dynamics against each other, real world, I just think are going to inure to his benefit, and I would definitely bet on him winning. Megan, it's been an absolute pleasure.

Thank you so much for coming on the show. The final question is always, what's the one thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be? Oh, boy, I love it when you guys ask me this. I don't know. This is a tougher issue than the last time, because when we talked the last time, I was still pretty new in the tenure of my show. But now I've been out there five days a week, two hours a day, and we're talking about this stuff. Like, I mean, not so long ago I would have said how puberty

blockers right into cross-sex hormones lead to sterility and no sexual pleasure for a child ever again. But I feel like we've done a pretty good job of getting the word out on that. People don't understand, like, you're sterilizing your child if you do those two things. And you're basically rendering them asexual. They will never achieve climax. If you do puberty blockers into cross-sex form. Who the hell would make this decision for their 11-year-old? Anyway, it's probably something in the gender field. I guess I'll go with this. People are still using preferred pronouns because they think it's respectful. And not enough people are coming out to explain how pronouns are rohypnal. It's the name of an article that was banned all over the internet a couple years ago.

They dull your sentences to what's actually happening and basically take away your principal argument when you see a man in a woman's swim lane. You can't say she doesn't belong there. You can't say she shouldn't be in the women's locker room. The rehypnal dulls you to get used to this incongruous combination and makes it somehow less problematic. And so the pronouns really do matter. It's not respectful to lie. And it's certainly not respectful to women to do anything to open up the doors to men in their sports or their spaces. Megan, stay with us because we're going to ask you a bunch of questions from our supporters that goes on locals. Guys, follow us on over there. I wondered if she'd share her prediction for Trump's VP. Oh, I've chosen

not to say, but I do have somebody in mind, so I'll give you the hints. Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the money. Because behind every headline is a bottom line. Whether it's the funds fueling AI or crypto's trillion dollar swings, there's a money side to every story. And when you see the money side, you understand what others miss. Get the money side of the story. Subscribe now at Bloomberg.com.