TRIGGERnometry - The Truth about the Migrant Crisis - Patrick Christys

Episode Date: July 6, 2025

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I almost think of it like a video game. You've got like 10 boats, three get through type of thing. But... They're all going through. But that's my point. Does this make any sense to you, Patrick? No. Let's be honest, Patrick.

This is f***ing pathetic. It pisses me off. It brings me to the verge of tears. How much are we spending on this? Yeah, well, an astronomical amount of money. But between something like $8 billion a year on the migrant hotels or $6 billion a year, the British public are being asked to put up with a hell of a lot here.

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which has been great to see on an issue that a lot of people talk about, but you've actually gone and done some proper looking into things, showing things. about illegal immigration and the nature of that problem. Talk to us about what you found. Yeah, gosh. Well, I mean, where to start, really. First thing I always say is how easy it was. I mean, genuinely just go there and you'll see the sheer scale of the problem.

So the scale of it is the first thing. The lack of action by the French is another, and we'll get into this, no doubt. But for example, where the biggest camp near Calais is, there's a huge camp, and then there's a little bit of a field, and then there's a beach, and for the half a billion quid we've sent the French. if not even put a fence up.

So that's a slight issue. So there's that. There's also the type of person who's coming across. We now, I think, rightly, openly laugh at people who say, well, it's all poor women and children. Well, there are some women and children, and clearly, I don't like seeing them getting into boats and taking dangerous journey across the busiest shipping lane in the world.

Nobody does. But the absolute stone-cold reality of the situation is that the overwhelming majority of these people are young men, and it's not just about where they're coming from, it's the fact that they have all, by definition, travel through numerous different other countries and for whatever reason been unable to make a lie for themselves there. Some of them, undoubtedly through criminality,

some of them potentially through choice, most of them through a lack of opportunity in any of those countries. And what that means, if you take it to its natural conclusion, is the calibre of person that we are now getting crossing the English Channel is very, very low. is very, very low, because a lot of people, if you are a genuine doctor or engineer, there is a very good chance that you would have been able to have found a lie for yourself in one of these other countries. And I don't particularly necessarily like using this term of

language, but we are in a sense, I think in many cases, getting the dregs of the migrant crisis problem. Well, that would make sense in many ways because, as you say, people who are qualified to do a skilled job would find themselves a job somewhere else. And also, a lot of those people might be entitled to come here legally because we do need the doctors and the nurses and the whatever who can come in if they make an application. But it sort of makes a lot of sense that people who are coming illegally are doing so

because actually we don't want people like that to come. Yeah, 100%. That's the reality of it. A lot of them, when you actually go and talk to them in person, so whether it's at them just wandering around the streets or it's in the camps or it's in one of the big warehouses is that I went to where people are looking more

to try to get into the lorry park side of it, which I don't think gets enough attention, actually, the illegal lorry crossings. When you actually talk to them in unguarded moments, they're not particularly fuss about the idea that they're fleeing war and persecution or that they are actually persecuted Christians in a country or that they're gay or all of this stuff.

They are quite open about the fact that they want to come to Britain for a house and for money and because we've got a generous benefit system and that they think that there is very little chance of them being deported in Britain. So they actually say this stuff to you, and there's been a couple of quite massive clips that I did off that. I was a Sudanese man who was just saying, well, give me a house and give me this and give me there. And that is the general kind of attitude.

It's when they get here and maybe get into contact with certain lawyers or certain charity groups, that you start to get these yarns about the level of persecution they might face back home, the trauma that they might have felt en route, and various different incredibly spurious reasons in some cases as to why they could never be returned home. They're not saying that stuff in these camps and when they're walking down the street. They weren't saying that to me

and they would have had the perfect opportunity to do so. I mean, one chap was an Eritrean man who says he's left his wife in Eritrea, so I said, well, why, if it was a war zone? He did make some vague reference about it being a war zone, couldn't explain why I'd left his wife there. And then I said, how are you continually trying to afford the boats? But his mum and dad who are in Eritrea are sending him the money for it.

So there's a few things there that don't quite add up, really, about them being desperately poverty-stricken, inconstant plight in their home country. I mean, if it's safe enough to leave your parents and your wife over there and your parents are funding your journey continuously, it doesn't quite add up to me, this idea they're all that poor and desperate. Patrick, I think it's worth you outlining how the system actually works.

because a lot of these guys, they don't just come from one particular country, it's six or seven they go through Austria. One person in particular was talking about going through Austria, Hungary, all of these types of countries. So how does a system actually work? And also explain about the criminality involved in it, because I think that's a key part of it as well. Yeah, absolutely.

Okay, so it depends where on the earth you start out, clearly, but it's very easy to travel through parts of Africa in the Middle East initially. So they'll find people that can get them through there. I think everyone accepts that. But then when you get into Europe, there's various different routes. So you can either get a boat from parts of Africa to islands like Lampedusa, for example, where we've seen huge numbers of almost entirely African migrants coming there. Then you're in the European Union.

What they used to do as well was there was a big route that took you through Morocco. And there's two Spanish enclaves in Morocco. One of them is called Ceuta. I can't quite remember the name of the other one now. I think it begins with an end. But once you can get into those, you're then in the EU, again there. They never had to cross the straight of Gibraltar. From there, they would be divvied up.

And some of the other routes, of course, are, like you mentioned there, to kind of just go continuously by land through various different countries. So some of the Balkan states, and then you're in. Patrick, just pause right there. Sorry to interrupt. Okay, I've made it to Lampedusa, but why does that mean I now get to go to Austria? Well, because that's basically what the European Union rules are, really. So they don't seem to be processing you there

and then at any risk of deportation. So then as part of some kind of EU-wide scheme, etc., they will then divvying you out. So once you've made landfall in the EU, that's usual. Pretty much, yeah. Once you have, once you have kissed European soil, there is very, very little chance of you being removed to your home country. And you also have to look at the psychology of those frontier European countries. So whether that's Greece, in the case of Lampedusa, Italy or some of the Balkan states, if they know that it's going to be very difficult to get you out of there

or you're just going to keep coming back, then in their minds, they'll just move you on through, won't they? So it's not in their interest or their incentive to try to keep you or to house you there. As far as they're concerned, they're very, very happy to see you move on through. But in terms of the ease with which you can get in touch with human traffickers and people smugglers, that's all, almost all done through social media.

So TikTok, really, predominantly. And it's incredibly easy, incredibly easy. So you will be able to, in seconds, find on TikTok, depending on where you're located around Europe, in the case of the ones I've been looking into there in France, you'll be able to find their accounts on TikTok, advertising, crossings, advertising, all sorts of stuff. You will then start contacting them just through direct messenger on TikTok.

You'll then progress very quickly to WhatsApp. And then on WhatsApp, they'll give you pin locations of where to go, and a price, really, of how much is going to cost for you to then meet up with that person. and then in the case of France, obviously, get on a boat. If you're further down the line, get on a lorry. And then they will facilitate that for you. And it's entirely done on social media. And the social media companies have a huge amount to answer for here

because it is unbelievably easy to do that. The other, I think, aspects of your question that you said was about, was it about the violence or things like that? Criminality involved. Well, the criminality involved is something that I find absolutely staggering. So they recently, very recently, we found a human trafficker who, on their stories, on both TikTok and on WhatsApp their stories,

they were posting pictures of what appeared to be an AR-15 rifle, semi-automatic rifle, the rifle that's probably shots of prominence a little bit more because of things like school shootings in America, I think the Las Vegas shooting as well. That level of weaponry. And that person who the day before had been giving us locations to go here, meet me here, left us voice notes, we had his voice, we can get you across the channel,

is posting pictures of themselves with assault weapons. So they are, they're on, they're tooled up. The other aspects of criminality about it, I would say that I'm very concerned of, and I think that more people should be concerned about, is the potential extreme Islamist threat to it. So again, there's another clip that I'm probably going to end up playing on my show tonight.

I don't know when this show airs. It probably would have gone out by them. but of a human trafficker who was posting the usual videos of people in boats, showing their clientele how easy it is and how readily they can get them across the channel. And then in amongst that, emerges the black flag of ISIS with ISIS execution videos, people being shot in the back of the head, battlefield footage from what appears to be past the world like Syria, for example, when ISIS were in their pomp with music playing in the background.

And then you're back again to the videos of people crossing the English Channel. So this is the kind of person who in many cases is running this operation. There's numerous different nationalities involved. There's a lot of Kurds. There are a lot of people who are Iraqis and Iranians, but there's also a lot of Albanians, and they are still at it. Although with the Albanians, there's a slightly more grey area about where they stand on that spectrum

because there is a sizable Muslim population in Albania. And from what I can tell from their videos, they do appear to be both armed. and in the case of the ISIS stuff, so on their things, they've got an Albanian flags as well. So I would suggest that they are also quite militant when it comes to the old Islam stuff. You know, it's also really interesting as well

because in part of the documentary, and I advise everyone to go and watch it, it's really illuminating and obviously horrifying at the same time. But you had a phone call, one of these people traffickers, and you showed how easy it was to get a job illegally in London. Yep. In a matter of minutes. 100%.

So we decided that we were communicating with this human traffic curve quite easily. And we thought, well, it might make sense to see if they can not only sort us out with the trip across the channel, but also a bit of work when we get here. Because the story started to break about deliver-roo and Uber Eats and Just Eat

and them operating out of migrant hotels and your delivery drivers are, not only the saviour, all of that. So we thought, okay, well, hang on a minute, How easy is it really? And it turns out within 10 minutes of us messaging our people shuffer friend and asking for a job, he'd given us two British phone numbers of people. One of them then preemptively got in touch with us.

We'd obviously passed our number onto him. He said, I've got work for you. He said delivery and things like that. So I mean, that could be anything from, I suppose, drugs or food, couldn't it really? But that was straight away plus voice notes. and one of them was definitely based in the London area as well. So there is a network here. And one thing that I find incredibly frustrating was that it would seem quite obvious to me

and maybe people watching and listening to this as well, that if you've got a human trafficker who can get people across the border very easily and then he's got contacts over here that sort people up with work, I would suggest that's part of an organised gang, right? That would seem to me to be the obvious thing. And then when you hand all of that information over, including phone numbers, and in some cases, locations are where they say they're going to be and when they're going to be there,

and voice notes to the authorities, I would have thought that they might act on that, especially given that some of that is categorically and demonstrably taking place in Britain. I have some sympathy for some of the authorities where they say, well, this is in France, isn't it? I do have some sympathy for them for that, to an extent, because what do we do? Send the SAS in.

I mean, I might be quite inclined to say at times, I think we should, especially if the guys tooled up and maybe supports ISIS. I'm sure, we can do that. But if they might say that's out of their jurisdiction, but I don't see how, surely the excuse they would need to crack that gang is proof of some operation in Britain. But it was mind-boggling because you reported them

to the National Crime Agency. And you would think this is something that the National Crime Agency would be all over. But then they just kicked it out. They just weren't interested, were they? So what they will say, in fact, they do say it quite strongly, is that we don't know the half of what they're doing, and they are doing all sorts behind the scenes,

and they really are on it. Okay, fine, we have to say, there's only so much I can do with that. I have to kind of assume that they are. I was very disappointed with some of the responses that we got from them on this stuff, and being honest, didn't seem to me as though they were in a massive rush with it. I also think the thing that

they are underestimating is the level of public dissatisfaction with this. So whilst they might be doing all of this great stuff behind the scenes, I would have thought, if they were smashing gangs every week, they'd be telling us about it, because they'd want us to know. They'd want me to be reporting that, and I would happily report. I'd love to report that. I'd love to go on air, you know, 9pm or 10 p.m. whatever, and be able to serve up. You know what? Look at this. They've just smashed these gangs today. They've done that. Well, when I'm getting any of that. So that implies to me that maybe they're not really doing it. And when you have something very public, like it goes out on my show, three or four nights in succession with all

of this information, if I was at National Crime Agency, I would have thought, look, even if it's just to shut me up, I'm going to, we're going to, we're going to at least take this guy's TikTok down, or we're going to be seeing, you're going to, we're going to kick someone's front door in. And we're going to do that, or we're going to have a word with the French, we're going to show something that this guy just shuts me up. And they didn't really seem to do that. And when it comes to things like the ISIS stuff or when it comes to things like weaponry, etc.,

I would suggest that that's a national emergency. The other thing about it is, of course, with everything that's been going on in Iran recently, we have had reports through from the intelligence services in Britain that the Iranian regime have been utilised in the small-bler crisis as a way of planting sleeper cells here in Britain. I'm inclined to, I mean, why wouldn't you, I suppose, if you were the Iranians, you probably would.

So again, that was another thing that I thought would give them a bit of a rocket, because as I was revealing all of this stuff, the Iran situation was flaring up again. So it was on people's minds. We were quite scared. And I couldn't really live with myself if someone had presented me with this information, and I was in a position to act, and then one nutter with an AK-47 came across the channel and slaughtered everyone on a border force boat or managed somehow to bring it into Dover. and kicked off there, or did it at a migrant hotel or whatever,

they didn't seem, in my view, to care as much about this issue as I think the vast majority of ordinary people in Britain do. Why do you think that is? Maybe it is because they're doing a lot that we don't know about. So maybe they see this stuff every single day and all day and stop most of it. Okay? I don't think it is that, personally. I think they realize that the problem is too big for them to deal.

with and I think that they don't really want it getting out there. The other aspect to it, which is really depressing, if this is true, and I hope isn't true, is that they just don't care massively. Well, see, the reason I'm asking this is like when you say there's too much of it going on and they can't code, I almost think of it like a video game. You've got like 10 boats through, type of thing. They're all going through. But that's my point, right?

There's actually no there's no action being taken on it But as I understand it Once you get on a boat in France You're basically going to get to England You don't even have to get into the channel You can get into some of the river networks And because you're technically in the water

If the French decide not to you They didn't really have to stop you So you could get in a boat The boat that when I went to Calais One of the boats that I found in the water There didn't have many people on it But was ready to go out the fuel in it And all of that stuff

Was two miles inland on a river network. So in theory, if like 60 blokes from wherever in the world they've come from, boarded that boat and started the motor and started making their way down that canal system, the French might decide just not to stop them because they're in the water.

So you don't even have to get in the channel. So when you say the national crime agency and other British authorities, they've got too much to deal with, I don't understand what that means. What does that mean? Like what is it too much that they've got to deal with? Because what I'm seeing, correct me if this is wrong, please,

is basically if you get on a bar in France, you're going to make it to England. And when you get here, you're going to get, either you're going to just be allowed to walk into the country or you're going to get taken to a hotel where the taxpayer is going to put you up. Yeah, until you decide to abscond, in which case you just can do that.

Right. So what is it that they've got too much to deal with? Yeah, I mean, they might make the case. I imagine they would that they are not just dealing with them. The migrant crisis. The National Crime Agency, I think, deals with things like paedophile rings. It will deal with things like drugs, trade, and whatever else they've got. So I do have some sympathy for them for that. What I don't have sympathy with is the system. If we know that they are being swamped and that they genuinely can't deal with it

and that they're also helping out with things like cracking paedophile rings and drugs, gangs, and I don't know, maybe terrorists at some cases, and everything that we've already got here. And they absolutely can't deal with the fact that if a journalist present, them with a bloat with an assault rifle, ISIS beheading videos, locations where they can't handle that, then they need more manpower, don't they? They absolutely need more manpower. And if we're not getting that for them, then I think that's a real crying show. This is a ticking time bomb. Well, right. But the thing is, how much manpower can you give to solve a problem you're not trying to solve? Do you see what I mean? It's like if some boats were being sent back because our authorities were dealing with them,

then you go, you need more manpower. When no attempt is being made to stop and turn them around and return them to France, that is not a manpower issue. There's no accountability to the French. This is the thing, like I said to you before, about that whopping great big migrant gang, gang, sorry, camp there with a beach right next to it where a boat set off and not even a fence. We've sent the French half a billion quid. No one of you've put a fence up.

the French will do precious little. And part of me can understand it. I mean, if I was French, I'd be quite inclined to get them out Calais quite quickly. So, you know, we are being taken for Merck. The other aspects, of course, is that, well, so they're not holding them to account. So there's no one, if I was our dear leader, Sir Kist, Armour, I will be inclined to go and pay a visit to Calais and Dunkirk in those places and have a walk around and raise serious questions about what it is they're doing

and the lack of action they're doing. So, for example, we spent a few million quid, we gave to the French, to set up state-of-the-art security cameras around the beaches, which even had things like night vision and all of that. And the French just didn't bother to turn them on. So they've had them, and they didn't bother to turn them on. So many jobs. But there's all of this stuff. And we are not holding them to account. And we do have leverage over the French.

We do. They want unbridled access to our fishing waters, which we've just given them for the best part of 12 years, as far as I can tell. Well, why did we do that when there's nothing that we're getting back in return? You know, there's also, I think, a level of embarrassment that we could be inflicting on them. There's negative PR that we could be doing in these camps. Why can't we send people or pay people even who are maybe failed asylum seekers or come up with something here to go to these camps to tell people that England is not a land of milk and honey that they're going to end up living on a roundabout somewhere in Paddington, which has happened.

The irony is right next to the GPNU Studios. There was an illegal migrant roundabout just within spitting distance of where the studios are for absolutely ages. You could see it there. Tell these people some of these horror stories because they all think in these camps that you get whatever you want in Britain. The depressing thing is at the moment, they're right about a lot of that.

You do get a lot of stuff. But we should be doing that. I think the National Crime Agency probably also feel a bit let down by our political leaders, I think, which is that we're not deporting anyone anyway, are we? We are resolutely unwilling to do anything

that might in any way we seem to deviate from this international law situation that we've got. So the National Crime Agency you probably feel as they're like maybe what's the point? What's the point? And also, perhaps for legal reasons, they can't actually turn the boats around. That seems to be the case as well, right? Annoyingly, although I would like to see that tested. You see, again, this is a thing. We keep being told that we can't turn the boats around. One of the reasons why, apparently, we can't turn the boats around, is because Prissy Patel, when she was Home Secretary years ago, wanted to do it. And I think care for Calais and another group took them to court and it was

decided that that would be illegal. Well, I would like to see that tested, really, because there must be some grounds in which a democratically elected government can stop their country being invaded. There has to be. If we live in a world where boatloads and boatloads and boatloads of illegal men, some of whom, for all we know, might be actual terrorists, and we are, and And I think there's a good reason to suggest that some of them are, in fact, some of them have been, right? So if we can't turn boats back under those situations and say, I'm sorry, this is an urgent matter of national security,

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Roughly speaking. Yeah. So it's half a billion. What are we getting for our money? Because there was a clip of the gendarmes, which is the French police, and they slashed the boat. That's quite funny. They slashed the dinghy.

That's quite funny, because we saw that boat, and we were filming around it, and the gendarme initially came up and said, like, what are you doing? Who are you? And then drove away. And we were like, so we've got all this on footage. There's this boat here. I mean, bear in mind that that boat was ready to go. So presumably somewhere around us would.

have been, you know, people trafficker, and you saw, you started to see people coming on some of the free buses that are around the Calais area, getting off and loitering around. Unequivating, these people were about to get on that boat and then make a run for it. If John Dunn just drove off, so we've got this amazing footage of them just driving across the bridge, almost like waving it off. And then we went back again about an hour or so later, and then they turned back up. And I think because they realized that the media was there and we filmed it, they then, you know, winched it out the water and slashed it.

and then acted on it. But I didn't get the impression that they would have done that if we weren't there. Because what comes across in the documentary is that these people feel that they can act of impunity because the reality is that they can. And they see us as a soft touch, which is utterly infuriating.

It's massively infuriating. We have to also have a thought, at least, about the caliber of human being that is currently leaving Britain. So we're seeing this exodus of people who are worth a few quid and maybe have had some aspiration in their lives and they want to leave now

for a variety of different reasons that I would mostly put at Keir Starma and Rachel Reeves's door and previous administrations for making part of Britain a bit of a hellhole, I would say. And who are we getting in in their place? I mean, I think a thousand, mostly young men came across the last couple of days.

Well, well, there, I doubt that many of them are ever going to pay a serious amount tax. So we are seeing good, in many cases, wealthy mobile taxpayers leave the country. And in their place, we are getting a lot of young men from Kuwait, Sudan and parts of the world that they are probably going to end up living a life on benefits here. And that's just a thing. But you're right about the matter of mutiny. I mean, I think it's getting to a point for me now with my reporting on this. where I don't want to feel like a broken record

where I'm constantly showing pictures on my show of, we've just got in touch this other people smuggler, here's him with a gun again, here's him doing this and the other. I think the next step for me is probably going to have to be to try to go back over there and try to meet some of these people and try to get their faces on camera

and see what we can get. Because I think that will show, again, that the French police are doing absolutely naf all about it. I mean, if we're able to get a phone, get in touch with people, get locations and meet them straight away, why can't the police over there do that? And then stop them and make a song and dance over it, make a statement over it. Absolutely, because there's an entire industry. And you can see it yourself, when you went to these encampments, they're in a warehouse.

They look like hundreds of tents. And it was, I mean, you talked about the conditions. So the conditions that are abominable? Yeah, they were. No, they were. I mean, there is an aspect, don't get me wrong, of I would not want to live in a warehouse that stinks of pest. I just wouldn't.

I don't think any of us would. I think a lot of them have deliberately put themselves in that situation, so there's that. But those people were all from Sudan, all men. There wasn't a single woman who's borderline children, if you want to say, and talk probably about 16, 17, so they're still kids. But anyway, that were there.

And they were the people who didn't have enough money to pay people smugglers for the boats. So they were trying to get a free lorry ride in. So they'll spend all day and most of the night at the lorry part, which is just next door. Just trying the luck. Just trying the luck. And eventually they'll probably get through. So you've got that going on. I mean, it is what it is. It's a giant warehouse with, I don't know, a few hundred people in it who is there permanently.

it's been there for absolutely ages, and it's right next to a Lorry Park, and I was there for like four or five hours. You don't see any police. I mean, there aren't any police there. They're not bothered about it. You know, that's quite galling, really, because the only reason anyone, whether it's in any of those camps, whether it's walking around the streets of Calais or Dunkirk, or whether it's in a warehouse, like, the only reason they're there is to get to Britain. There's no other reason. And that is an invasion. And the French are not doing anything about that, as far as I can tell.

And is the reason what you said earlier, which is effectively, if you're not the final destination country, the incentive structure is for you to just wave people through. Yeah. And I think they want to embarrass us over Brexit as well. I think there's a lot of that. Because that argument that a lot of remains used, which is, well, when we were in the EU, we had the Dublin agreement, which is that we could have then sent them back to their first. support call. Well, we weren't really doing that anyway. So, like, yeah, we could have done,

probably, but we weren't. So, you know, that's, that, that kind of falls through. But I think, I think there's a big bit of, of sniggering from the European Union nations, which is, if we can funnel them through to Britain, you know, rub their noses in the faces of Brexit. And I think they know that we're too kind. I think both the illegal migrants and the continental politicians know that we are a soft touch. We have, in some cases, maybe too many human rights. I think we have a very, very generous benefit system, a very generous housing system,

and a load of really useful idiots, like the Refugees Welcome Brigade over here, who are just complete signed-up nut jobs in many cases. I think unrepresent hypocrites as well, a lot of them. They would never house them in their own homes, of course, or even the ones that they do, like Garolini, will be thoroughly vetted and will be an actual lawshops. student or something and not, you know,

our mate from Khartoum that we just met in the warehouse there. So, yeah, I mean, I think they are just trying to flood us with it out of that. And we're the end of the line geographically, aren't we? I mean, what are we going to start doing? Like, I don't know, funneling them through to Norway.

I mean, we could try and dump a load of them in Ireland. But then, of course, we haven't got a board of that. So, you know, they've just wanted straight back through it, wouldn't they? So that being the case. Talk to me more about the logistics. So I've made landfall and land producer. I've found someone on TikTok. I've paid them. How much would I pay them to get to Calais? Well, I'm not sure exactly how much you paid to get to Calais. But what I do know is that the going rate currently, as of yesterday, to cross the English Channel,

could be as low as $1,200 quid. But you say as low, that's not a lot of money. I mean, still a lot of money for people in Britain, but for someone from Eritrea, that could be a year's worth of income. It could be, unless your mum and daddy in Eritrea wanted to pay for it, which, of course, we have that on record as well, don't it? But I do take your point. I mean, I suspect because they're in a really interesting situation over there, because you don't want to have a load of cash in place like the Calais jungle, because people will just rob it. So what you are seeing now is pitched battles between men from Sudan and men from the Middle East and Arabic countries, where the men from the Middle East and Arabic countries, who seem to have a bit more money, will organise the boat

crossings and pay for it, and then they'll be about to get on the boat. And then they'll be about to get on the boat. And from within the Sanjuns come a lot of the Sudanese men who then fight off the others, they get in that boat and then they get out there. I mean, this sounds like something out of a really bad kind of like comedy sketch, whatever, but it's just playing out on the beaches of Calais most days. So that's happening. And yeah, but I mean, in terms of getting in the backs of lorries across the continent, it's very, very hard to put price on it because you could conceivably do that for free

if you're willing to try hard enough. It's, you know, whether or not there's, you know, supply. that they were willing to do it. I mean, I would have thought that the big expense is getting across the channel less so. So you've got to Calais, you've fought off the Sudanese gang to get in the boat that you paid for, you've crossed the channel. Yeah. You've come to the UK. What happens when you, when you serve for the UK? You know, you've not even had to cross the channel, by the way. You've got a few, you know, several hundred meters out of it. And then, of course, border force arrives. Okay. And what do they do? Border Force, so British border force, having been radioed by the French to tell them exactly where the boatload of illegal migrants is, will then come and get the migrants, and then they'll put them on the border force vessels,

and they might keep them on there whilst they do a little merry-go round of British misery where they pick up all the other ones as well, and then they'll bring them on the boat, and then that boat will come into Dover, and then you're there. I think you're taking to a processing centre where, by definition, I think very little can happen, because if you are claiming to not have any documents with you, or any records of who you are, or you are willing to lie about where you are from and your age, There's a limited amount of stuff that they can actually do, isn't there? So they might take, they'll do a medical check on you,

they might take certain things like fingerprints. We are not allowed in Britain to do dental checks for age verification or wrist x-rays for age verification because that would be against their human rights. Quite right. So we are not allowed to do that. You're not allowed to find out how old they are. You're not allowed to medically find out how old they are.

Why is that against the human rights? Just is. It's traumatic. It will be traumatic for the... them to undergo some kind of dental examination. Very mind that, by the way, a lot of the migrant hotels, and even I think on the Bibies, Stockholm, they were our dental treatment.

Right. So, like, that was fine. But you couldn't do it if you wanted to use that to test how old they are. So that was, that was, that was rubbish. Does this make any sense to you, Patrick? No. I don't think it makes, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to a lot of people. But again, what happens here is you start with a policy about, like, let's do wrist x-rays or whatever you can do now with various different biometrics,

It's high scans or whatever it is, fine. And you want to do that. And then what you'll get is a load of hardline left-wing antivis lawyers, coupled with a lot of charity groups saying, concocting a case as to why that shouldn't be allowed. And then you have to get through, from what I can gather, a procession of quite left-wing courtrooms in order to get that made illegal and stopped.

And then they can make that illegal and stopped. And certainly the last time I checked, which was about a year or so ago, it was the biometric scans and the wrist x-rays and the dental thing was a no-no. I'll check it again. I don't think they've changed it, but I don't think they have changed it.

And so we weren't allowed to do that. You were not allowed to, which is why you end up with ridiculous court cases, like a six-foot, a Sudanese chat with a receding hairline and a grey beard who is like 15. Right. Take into these two CCs.

Because why would those court cases exist if you could just check that. Right. So that implies to me. Okay. So I've arrived. I've been processed. They've made, well, they've not made sure I'm not 53. Now what? Well, then they'll divvy you out around the country. So you will end up in a migrant hotel somewhere.

Or if you are, I suppose, a bit unlucky, you might end up in a place like R.F. Weathersfield or a couple of those sites that we have around the country as well. They're all full now. So I'm assuming you're just going to a migrant hotel. and you will be allowed to stay there. You have everything paid for. So food, no bills, clearly. And what then happens is that you're not allowed to be tagged with human rights again.

So we can't tag. So we can't put tags on them so that we know where they are. So, like, you go to a hotel and then you could just abscond. Especially if you happen to, like we did, find a guy who's willing to give you a job, and which apparently is very easy to do. So you can do one of two things. You can either just work as a delivery driver just from the hotel anyway, and no one in the hotel seems to give a toss about that. Or you could just leave the hotel and just work somewhere else and stay with someone else and just disappear like vapour into Britain. What if you don't disappear? What if you stay?

what happens? So then, if you stay and you go through the process of trying to claim asylum, then you have an infinite number of attempts to do that, and only one of them has to be successful. So you can claim, be rejected, claim be rejected, claim be rejected. One of the more famous cases about that was a chap called Abdel Azidi, who was the Clapham acid attacker, doused a woman and a child in acid, and then actually, actually, it happened through himself, I think of Lampeth Bridge or something, wasn't it? But, But anyway, so he had tried and failed for asylum three times. The fourth attempt, I think it was, well, the third, fourth attempt either way. He then suddenly discovered that he was actually a Christian mayor and that we could not send him back to his Muslim country.

And there was a particular denomination of the Christian church. To actually, to be fair, in this particular one, was not the Church of England. It was some kind of Baptist denomination. But anyway, they were willing to vouch for it. He'd been done for a sex offence in the meantime, naturally. Who appears without St. Patrick? Well, which was very much their approach. Yeah, you're right.

So we'd done for a sex offence. Baptist Church, waved him through, vouched for him, and then the Human Rights Brigade decided that, yeah, of course, how could we send this good God-fearing Christian man back to a Muslim country? We couldn't do that. So then he doused a one in child with acid, threw himself off a bridge, and then had a Muslim funeral. Well, that sounds like the system working is intended, mate.

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Why, is it really true? Is this some right-wing G.B. News hysteria when you say you have an infinite number of attempts? Well, it's for all of them aware. I mean, so there's a case with a lady from Nigeria who tried eight times and then at the eighth attempt she was very clever

or her lawyer was very clever about this said that she was a member of a prescribed terrorist group that's only prescribed in Nigeria but not by Britain so if we sent her back to Nigeria then she'd be persecuted for being a terrorist

but obviously she's allowed to stay in Britain because we don't think they are terrorists so this was the eighth attempt so I mean I don't see how you can say we've got a limit on it And there was no evidence of her ever being involved with this group, by the way. This was the other thing. They just said she was.

Like, she'd done something like maybe she sent an email to them or me. And that was it. There wasn't only evidence of her actually, like, going, like being a part of this group. So when your application is rejected, you just go back to your hotel and then you just make it an appeal or another application. You may well end up be scheduled for deportation at some point. I mean, again, the way our human rights laws work at the moment is, let's be. say you were from Afghanistan and we wanted to deport you, I don't really see any way that we currently, under our current laws, could do that because we just don't return people to Afghanistan.

So we would have to send them to a third country, if we were even doing this, which may have been a Rwanda or it may have now be, what was the latest one that was talk of? Was it Bosnia or someone like that? I think it wasn't somewhere like that, wasn't it? So you would probably have to do that. The French aren't going to take them back. I would have thought, well, they're not, are they? So, again, it's like you can...

What does that mean? What does that mean? This is a bit I don't understand. What does I mean the French want to take them back? Like, if we send them on the boat back to Calais. I've thought about this. Why not just try that? Yeah. Why can we do that?

Well, it's against their human rights, I imagine. Well, everything's against their human rights. So we need to just, we need to just accept that about everything. But yeah, I mean, would it work the other way? I mean, again, you wouldn't be able to do that, would you, though? Because they'd say, well, you've just put these people on a boat and you've pushed them into French waters. And, you know, it would only take one death, wouldn't it,

for whoever's made that decision to ultimately be a murderer and then have to be, have to resign from their job. So, yeah, so there's a vanishing small probability of anyone who even be deported, even if they are scheduled for deportation. So this is why you end up with cases where people have been done for child rape and then sent to prison in Britain and they've given like a 10-year prison sentence

and then there is still a discussion to be had about once they've completed that prison sentence whether or not they can be deported. I mean, the most recent one, this is not a channel migrant story, this is just a migrant story, about Abdul Qari Ralph, who was one of the ringleaders

of the Roch-Tale grooming gang, was set for deportation 12 years ago, shredded his Pakistani passport, so he would then be technically made stateless if we sent him back to Pakistan. It's emerged yesterday that he is working still as a delivery driver in Rochdale. So if you were a victim of his or a survivor of his

and you ordered a pizza, he might turn up to deliver it for you. With the money that he's earned from that, he's built a house in Pakistan. So this guy that shredded his Pakistani passport and renounced his Pakistani citizenship and therefore we can't deport him to Pakistan has with money that he's been allowed to earn,

he was also on legal aid, by the way, for his fighting all of his legal costs, With the money that he's been allowed to earn, he has built a property for him and his family in Pakistan. But we can't deport him. I mean... So... At least here's a happy ending, mate.

But we joke about it. But let's be honest, Patrick. And I'm going to... This is fucking pathetic. Yeah. I'm glad someone's pressed the F-Bot. I am, because it is. It pisses me off.

It pisses me off. It brings me to the verge of tears a lot of the time looking at it and thinking, what are our priorities? Seriously, what are we? Are we a joke country? I mean, look around when we are today. Brilliant part of the world. I had to fight my way through crowds of tourists here because people want to come here. They want to be a part of Britain. They want to get, they love our flag. They want to see it. They want to be a part of this nation. And yet, for us, Brits, it's becoming very, very, very difficult to see a future here because our political leaders are turning us into a plot of land. for the world to use willy-nilly and take advantage of

at our expense, and then on top of that make it very difficult for us to go about living our lives when it comes to accessing public services, feeling safe on the streets. It's really, it's not on, it's not on. And it's also as well, because we've talked, the one aspect that we haven't talked about is the financial aspect.

How much is this costing us? We're talking, look, you know, the NHS is on its knees. You know, the infrastructure's crumbling. people are struggling to get school places, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. How much are we spending on this? Yeah, well, an astronomical amount of money. I mean, it varies depending on what you read on any given day,

but between something like $8 billion a year on the migrant hotels or $6 billion a year. But then on top of that, and this is the figure that, again, it's very difficult to get hold of, but I think is the more enraging figure, which is the social housing cost. So once people have been told that they can stay in Britain and again, as we've discussed, I think a lot of those decisions are made simply because

it's like, what's the point you're trying to deport this person? We can't. So you're told you can stay in Britain. Then they are no longer allowed in many cases to stay in the micro-outel. It tells they're given something like 28 days to get out of it, which puts them very often, despite what local councils will say, it puts them very, very close to the top of their social housing waiting list because there is an immediate risk of homelessness. you or I were broke, flat broke, and we're going through a divorce and whatever else, right?

Don't know why you're pointing it. How did you know? I hope you're not. No, I'm not. But we're going through a divorce and what I bet. There's probably someone's house you could stay in in Britain, probably. Whether it's a friend or like your mum or whatever, you know, I don't know. But for these people, they will say, well, there's no one's house I can stay in.

So they go very close to the top of the housing waiting list, and social housing or private rental accommodation that's then bought up by the home office or by the local council is used for them. Well, that will cost a huge amount of money, a huge amount of money. They are clearly they're not going to walk into a $100,000 a year job. Many of them, I dare say, will never really try to work. A lot of them don't seem to be working. There's a lot of people who come illegally. They don't seem to feel the need to work at the moment. So then they're getting everything for free there.

it's NHS bills isn't here, plus translator costs as well. That's another thing. So you've got all that school places. Again, there's no real quorum for how many kids are you have in the way that maybe perhaps certain other people might have to consider how many children they have because we ultimately have to pay for that. Well, if you're not pay for anything anyway, then you can't you and have six or seven of them. So we're all paying for that as well and everything, everything, everything. So the time you've added all of those things up, and those figures are not all in one neat little place, unfortunately. So it's very difficult to go and get all of those numbers. about what realistically is the actual cost of every single one of these people

over the course of their entire lifetimes if they spend that lifetime poncing and living off the state, which I suspect strongly that most of them will. And then you add to that the resources of the legal process, the resources of staffing the hotels, the resources of staffing the border force. This is a joke, man. You know one of the things that I think is a real joke is that we appear to be importing low-skilled migrants, to act as security guards for hotels full of illegal migrants. So when you see videos of people who go into these migrant hotels,

like quotes and quotes, quote, citizen journalists or whatever you might call them, when you see all those videos, there's very little English spoken on the door by any of the security guards. They've all got the full, you know, the security guard, the security guard arm band on and the hivis and all that, the walkie-talkie. So there seems to be very little English spoken a lot of the time there. And that's a legal job. But what does that job pay, probably?

I mean, I don't know, but I mean, being a security guard at a hotel, I would have thought maybe you're quivering on the edge of about 30 grand, maybe, if that, I would have just as a guest there. So, so we, so those people clearly live here. So they've moved over here, whether it's specifically for that job or they've come here and then got it. So then that's their job. They get paid for it. They live here. They're probably allowed to bring certain relatives over anyway, which I imagine many of them do. Otherwise, why would they have come here?

So you've got that. We'd probably pay for some of their own. relatives as well, and then they are there, their job, their actual job is to guard a hotel full of people who are illegally. I mean, that is insane. That is insane. And on that subject, one thing we haven't talked about is, I don't know, but I imagine a lot of these things are being managed through government contracts to big contractors whose names

I don't want to list off the top of my head because I don't know. But I imagine a few of them are a few of the regulars, let's say, right? the companies that get all the big government contract. And I imagine they make quite a lot of money from this. And I imagine they're quite vested in this situation continuing. Yeah. I mean, there is one guy. I won't name.

Well, I won't know. Feel free to name him if you want. Well, the only reason I would name him. His surname's King. I think he's first name great. But the reason I know King is because of the Monaghan Hotel King. And he's quite literally the Bankon Hotel King. He's, Britain's first illegal migrant billionaire.

He is illegal, by the way. He's, I think, from Essex or somewhere. but he owned a couple of like kind of caravan park things and he's built his way up and now he gets a lot of the contracts for food and an accommodation for all of these for all the market hotels and part of me by the way

I think it's absolutely fair play to the guy because you know it's a business he's obviously got a very shrew business mind he is now like one of the richest people in Britain he made the Times Rich list this year you know okay I mean there's an argument to be said about whether or not he's fundamentally betraying his country of course but look there's one billionaire is not leaving

so yeah yeah yeah yeah He's not going anywhere. He's sticking around to do his bit for Britain. 100%. So he's an individual. He's got a company, of course, but he's an individual. But some of the bigger companies like Circo, for example, they get big deals when it comes to all sorts, especially with social housing now.

I mean, they will be absolutely coining it in. And I've been to, so my big fear with the social housing aspect of it is how can you make sure that other people in the area are safe? And we had a case where there was a man in Hartleypool who was walking his dog, an elderly man early in the morning and was stabbed to death by an asylum seeker who would have been through 13 other countries before getting to Britain and he killed him because he wanted revenge for what was going on in Gaza. and we found out about that story. I think probably every news outlet found out about that story within, like maybe a day of it happening. And the government put at the time, wasn't this government, the government put a de-notice on it to stop your reporting on it.

So for national security reasons, they stop you reporting on it. How is that a breach of national security by you reporting on it? Well, you might have riots. Is that right? That will be, so they don't have to justify what their national security is, otherwise we don't. But that would be the rationale, right? out that you might end up with riots because of because of the truth. Right.

And so you start from a point, then, of course, it goes to court and then it's out there. But by which time, you may be looking at six months or a year on from the event and whatever, whatever, whatever. So he wasn't in a mine of a hotel. He was in a house of multiple occupancy at the time, which is the kind of house. I don't know what company was running this. So I don't want to defame anyone or whatever, libel anyone. But he was in a house of a house of a house.

multiple occupancy. So at some point, someone's put him up there, haven't they? Whatever, whatever company it is that has bought this. Well, they clearly couldn't, they can't have a security guard outside every single one of these HMOs. So if you're living in an area anywhere in the country now, and the government or one of these agencies

or whatever it is buys the house, a terrorist house on your street, slaps another three or four bedrooms in it, turns it into basically a glorified mini migrant hotel with absolutely no security whatsoever. And there, there's like a lunatic in there with a kitchen knife, which is all they need, and they go out, like, what is stopping them from doing this?

And I mean, I've been to Serco to ask what some of their procedures are. They gave me a very, very, very wishy-washy thing back, which actually the tone of it for me was more about trying to make sure that the migrants themselves were safe, as opposed to the people around them. You know, the British public are being asked to put up with a hell of a lot here. We're being asked, we are being asked to take on a huge, personal safety risk. And, you know, people might watch this and go, oh, he's making out that every

single person who crosses the channel is a dangerous limit to it. Well, not saying that, but like, one's enough. And, you know, the fact is that the rate that we're going at the moment, and we've got a record year on top of a number of record years, well, it only takes a few of them. And you have got a serious problem on your hands. And again, it comes down to that, oh, if you want to, if you want to try and cover the odd thing up by saying, oh, it would cause riots. Well, like, that's not dealing with the actual problem, is it? Trying to silence it or so. Because at some point, I hate to say this, but at some point, something really, like, something is going to happen. As keeps happening.

You mentioned that Doi Zedia and others. It's happening all the time. Yeah, and, you know, you can see it, can't you happen in a big way? Like, I don't want to give anyone ideas from me, but, you know, go to a really public space and do something, you know, kill a lot of people. I'm not condoning riots or setting fires really. But, again, how do you think people are going to re-answer? Well, this is why I was going to challenge something you said, which is when you said the British people are being asked to put up with... I don't think anyone else have been asked.

I don't remember being asked about it. this? I don't remember any political party. And look, you know, we've talked about Blair, not Blair, Stama, Stama and Reeves, but this was just as bad under the Conservatives, right? So, but I don't remember in any of those manifestos

anybody saying, we're going to let tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in every year on small boats and lorries from Calais. I don't remember being asked about that. No. Because I imagine if we had been asked about that, I think we'd all be against it. Yeah. Yeah, We would, wouldn't we?

Yeah. We absolutely would. And I think you've hit the nail on the head there, which is the level of betrayal and gaslighting, which is exactly what this is. Right. On top of numerous different other levels of betrayal and gas lighting has now, I think, brought the British public to the brink.

And I think by nature, we are a relatively placid bunch. I mean, when you see, like, there seems to be riots in Paris every single week, you know, actual very aggressive strike action all the time. I mean, there's clips that you're. see in Germany and maybe parts of Holland as well. Well, people are, you know, pretty pumped up about some of the things that are going on over there. Okay, the Spanish as well are really going to get on board

with it. Now, the Italians' grief. I mean, you know, you could go on, right? Whereas here in Britain, I think by nature, we are a bit more placid. But I think that's kind of ending now, isn't it? That? I think people, there's a sense that we're being pushed to the brink. And if you feel as though nothing

that you say or do is being listened to by the people who are in power, and then the people behind that layer of power as well, so whether it's immigration judges or whatever, it's that sense of betrayal, but also helplessness and desperation that can make people feel incredibly angry

and can lead to a volatile powder keg situation. And that, I think, is where we are. And what's your assessment? Because Stama, obviously, he came in, he scrapped the Rwanda scheme that never really got going under the Tories anyway. And his idea was that the way you deal with this problem, is the illegal immigrants are not the problem.

The problem is the gangs. And what you do is you smash the gangs. How are we doing on smashing the gangs? Well, not smashing any gangs. So that's good. And actually Claire Fox, who believe you, Chops know well, gave a really interesting intervention

in the House of Laws yesterday, where she called for it to be part of legislation for the government to tell us how many gangs they've smashed. Because that was the cornerstone, as you rightly point out, of their anti-illegal immigration policy. It wasn't deportations.

it wasn't a third location like a Rwanda. It was smash the gangs. That was the cornerstone of their illegal migration policy. Now, I don't think they've really smashed any. They might have smashed one or two, but then they just pop up. And as evidenced by the work that we've been doing at GB News and we're going to continue to do,

it is unbelievably easy to find a human trafficker, get into contact with them, get a location, get across the channel, get a job on the other side. There's no smashing taking place. So that's not happening. But again with Turkey's time, I question whether or not that was all just a lie. So the whole thing. I mean, you have to look at the political ideal, well, political views that this man has had over the years.

And I am including in that his work as a human rights lawyer. I do not buy the Cabrank rule. So this is what him and Lord Homer regularly dine out on and all. Their defenders will say the only reason they continually took cases from people, who say helped to mastermind the 9-11 terrorist attacks or Shumima Begum or you know some of the nastiest most horrific people that you can ever see or his but to rear when they were being prescribed as a terrorist organization in Germany the only reason why they kept taking these cases was because as a straightforward matter of coincidence those cases kept crossing their desk and they

have to do it they have rank rule being whoever's up takes the case takes the case right Absolutely. And I don't buy that. Because? Because I think if you're any good as being a lawyer, then you will be able to get off something. So you can say, oh, sorry, I'm not in this way. There's also a reason. There's also surely got to be a reason why all of these nasty, horrible people, somehow know how to get in touch with you.

Why? Of any law firm in the world? Of any barrister's chambers in the world? Of anyone at all, why do they keep contacting you? And if you were really distressed, day in day out, gosh, I've got another terrorist. here. Oh gosh, I've got another, I've got another foreign child rapist here. Well, you'd get out of it, wouldn't you? You'd go, you'd go, right, look, I've had enough of this now. I want to go into a different branch of the law or something, or you'd go to a different chambers or whatever else.

I'm not saying there's any kind of evil intent, though. I'm not saying that, but what I am saying is that I think there's a pattern there of, like, zero deportation, boardline open borders, representing consistently people who are enemies of the state and anti-authoritarian twang to that that they, that Starr, Keir Stahm, upheld, both personally and professionally as well, for years, for decades. And that ultimately is a big part of why he ended up in Downing Street because that was part of his career.

That career led to him being DPP, that led to him getting into politics. And I seriously question about whether or not he ever wanted to smash the gangs or stop the migrant crisis or reduce illegal immigration at all. I have questions over that. Patrick, we've spoken for around an hour now about this whole tragic, terrible, awful situation. What do you think it actually says about us as a country? Well, it says that we're a soft touch. I think the bigger point is that we don't value.

our country enough. So Britain is not just a plot of land where any Tom Dick and Harry can come and live. This is a proud country with a proud history, with a proud people. And by the way, a brilliant people as well. We have done things as a nation that beg a belief when you think about the size of us over the years. I mean, whether or not it is things like going out into the world and, you know, kind of, I'm not trying to get into the rise and wrongs of the empire here. I'm just saying what we managed to achieve as a nation. It was remarkable, given our size. etc. But also things like producing some of the greatest minds that the world has ever seen in culture,

music, in the shape of Alan Turing, for example, cracking the enigma coat. All of this. I mean, there is something very, very special on this island of ours here. There really is something very special about the British way of life and the British mind and something about it. And we have decided that none of that matters anymore. It doesn't matter. And that we are allowing various different people to come in, not just come in, but also take the piss. Like whether it's make us less safe, whether it's ponds off the state, whether it's take up housing

and whether it's take up, you know, various public services as well, that's, that's a ridiculous thing. I mean, I regret that it sends out a message around the world now that Britain is there for the taking and that Britain is becoming a joke country. And I hate that. And I think we have to think that maybe that stems from an inherent aspect of self-loathing amongst a certain class of people in Britain. Whether or not it has people who feel inherently privileged by being here can't quite cope with it and therefore feels that they need to make the whole place shit in order to, in order to try to come serves with that about themselves, possibly whether it's that people have drunk the Kool-Aid on the old, you know, kind of critical race theory stuff on, you know,

the bad things about the British Empire and all of that. I don't know, but to me, there is a very small but very powerful cohort of people in Britain that feel that. almost ashamed of it and embarrassed of it and are doing their best to try to ruin the country. But yeah, it's, yeah, it says all of that about Britain and more. It just says

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Watch the video now at chuckdefense.com slash trigger. That's chuck defense.com slash trigger. And we put the link in the description below to make it easy. And one of the other things about it, I think, that may be worth adding to your analysis is, I wonder, this is an interesting question. I don't know what the answer is genuinely. Is there, in your opinion, some strategy to the way that illegal immigrants are being distributed across the country? Yes.

Because, like, I live in a nice, leafy part of Ken, for example. I don't see any migrant hotels in my area, which happens to vote Lib Dem most of the time. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. Do you know, because I'd imagine there'd be quite a lot, there'd be a lot of constituencies that currently vote in a particular way. Well, very differently, if they were faced with the brun, if they were the cold face of this issue. Wasn't that experiment played out in real time in America with Martha's Vineyard? Who was it that flew them all in?

I think it was Ron DeSantis. Ron DeSantis. Yeah, decided to clap back a bit, didn't he? And he said, all right, well, let's fly them all in. And they didn't want them out, did they? So they took them out again. I agree with you. Or I, not so I agree with you, because I didn't really say you agree with it, but I take...

I'm just wondering. I am of the view, that there is a deliberate thing here. I think that there was an initial attempt to just bury them in big cities. So, you know, cover it, mask it, plays like London and Birmingham. Because no one really knows. You don't know, do you?

And again, you know, you could be a tourist, could be whatever. So I think there was that. And then obviously the problems aren't grown. And they thought, oh, okay, where do we put them? So then the north of England became a large dumping ground. And again, why was that? Places like Berry, Bradford, Blackburn, Bolton, Oldham, all those places had already had the most unbelievable

demographic change in the last 30 or 40 years. I mean, the most unbelievable demographic change. I mean, there are parts there where they are, it's basically Pakistan and that they've just in one place in, Barry, I think is, have just elected a 19-year-old female medical student at the local council election who stood on a ticket of essentially surreal or male and female segregation. And she was elected there.

So that's where we're out there. So if you then decide to lob a load of blokes in from the, Middle East who have come here illegally, again, they're going to, that might, that might blend in a little bit. You might not see that so much. So there was big, big parts of the Northwest, especially there in the Midlands, were used. There was also, they jumped on the SMPs idiocy with tremendous effect. So they wanted to become a sanctuary country. They wanted Glasgow to become a sanctuary city. So then they decided, well, if you say it now, then we'll, we'll love a load of. them your way. And then there was an urgent plea from the head of Glasgow Council to say,

please stop sending us a sign seekers because we can't cope. There's social housing is full, hotels are full, there's tent cities here, we can't, we can't have that. There's also massive crime issues. So there was that. Wales did a very similar thing as well. Wales, again, Labour, wanted to be a nation of sanctuary. So they leapt on that a little bit and turned some of those houses. But I think there's a lot of these very leafy areas, which you were alluding to, the kind of southeast of England and well-to-do areas that seem to be resolutely untouched

by the migrant crisis. And I would do something that people might think is a bit extreme. I know if you vote in your constituency votes for an MP that is pro-open borders, pro the migrant crisis, you know, anti-deportation,

then you get them. So that's it. So you get them. And areas that vote to not have that, don't get any. And then we'll see what happens, won't we?

I would do that. And I actually would almost say that's actually fair enough because that's what those people are voted for. So why is it that they can vote for something and walk around, you know, all peace and love?

It's like the Glastonbury crowd, isn't it? You know, that, whatever he was called, Bob, villain or whatever, something there. And then the camera pans round and that audience is a load of thick, middle-class lovies cheering their own demise.

And he think, well, okay, why don't we maybe give them a little bit more of that then? Why don't we maybe in their areas, we give them a bit more of the migrant crisis, or we give them a bit more of the social accommodation or the private rental accommodation. You know, when Tabitha and Tilly go to leave Mummy and Daddy's country cottage at some point and decide that they're going to pay rent somewhere, and then they are doing battle with the home office for rent prices, maybe they might start to think, oh, I'm going on a minute, there's something a bit wrong here.

Why don't we do more of that? Rub people's face. We were told, I can't know who. Was it, I don't want to defame it. Was it Nash Sharra or something like, so we need to rub their noses in the faces of divers? No, no, that was a memo from a labour advisor called Andrew Nether. Right, good.

Not Nash. Sorry, Nas. Sorry, Nas. Anyway, so we should rub... He, yes. It was the idea of mass immigration was to rub the rights nose and diversity. There you go.

That was there. Well, why don't we give them a bit more of that then? You know, rub their noses in the faces of the migrant crisis and the realities of what that is. You know, maybe make them put up with some of the issues that people in other areas have had to put up with for far too long, whether it's in social housing or whether it's in migrant hotels

and just see, because I am convinced that, you know, when people are actually exposed to the realities of it, then they don't really want that in their area or next door to them. And have you had politicians on your show to talk about this? Yeah, I mean... And what do they say? Well, Labor don't really want to kind of talk about it.

What a surprise. I can't imagine why the tourists would want to come and want to talk about it either because they're the ones that did this first. I agree. I mean, certainly in the case of Robert Jermick, for example, what he says is he resigned over it. There were one or two people within the Conservative Party who tried. Yeah.

But they did as a party fail, let's be honest. 100%. I am of the view that ultimately this is all really the Tory's fault. Because they opened the flood. Oh, Tony Blair did a lot, right, fine. But then they did have a prolonged period of time. Blair was deporting way more illegal immigrants on the Tories, way more. Yeah, and did so on a fairly rational basis, like you're a paedophile.

Off you go. Like things that you and I might be like, oh, did you, did you stab a man at a bus stop? Okay, back to Morocco. You know, whereas now it's like, well, We put an arm around the shop and see if it can be rehabilitated. But the stories are, for me, ultimately, to blame for this, whether it's to do with the record levels of legal immigration that have got their own consequences,

but also the illegal side of it, and allowing themselves and allowing Britain to basically be cuckolded by this human rights brigade that has now filtered its way right to the very top of the British legal system to all of this. They have got a huge amount of support. And that actually ties into something that I think is quite important, which has been, which is something that really just pissed me off,

which has been a lot of white middle class complacency over the years. So a lot of people, I think maybe of my parish generation, and slightly above, decided not to bother running for like a parish council anymore, or town council or county council. And, yeah, I don't really want to be an MP there or whatever. And then they were too scared to speak out on this all. things happening like demographic change that they didn't particularly like or they're speaking out or about safety and all of that. And they just kind of let it happen because they thought, it's not too bad now.

You know, it's okay now. And now here we are. And I think that we are an existential moment in British history where we probably have one more chance, I think, to save the country. And I do have a bit of resentment as much as I like my parents generation generally. I do wish they'd have maybe seen this coming a bit. and prevented it, and I certainly have a lot of resentment towards the ruling elites that were in charge for the last 14, 15, 16 years because ultimately they have allowed us to sleepwalk into a situation now that I believe, as I've said, is utterly existential for the future of Britain. I mean, what it actually shows is the political class simply not fit for purpose,

which is shocking, because when you've got 16 years, what we've actually seen is the country being destroyed. If a country doesn't have borders, then it's not a country. Or identity, though. Or a shared identity and a shared kind of like purpose and ideals. You know, for as long as I can really remember, when I was going through school, my school wasn't too bad with this stuff,

but I can remember seeing it around me whilst I was growing up, that there was this start of that snee by, or what even is British culture? Yeah, yeah. What even is it? Is it going to the Costa del Sol oven and at a rest dinner on a Sunday and all that. And I'm like, okay, yeah, all right.

Well, maybe some of Brits don't travel particularly well. But let's just have it right. All right, there's a huge amount of British culture. And in fact, there's so much British culture that it's been the envy of the world for a very long time and that we should be very, very proud of it. And we shouldn't be seen as, you know, as racist or little Englanders or whatever

for wanting to preserve and protect British culture and for also being more forceful about integration. So we should never have allowed enclaves, which we now have. In fact, some of those enclaves are now almost cities. Like, when I was in Birmingham looking at the business-strike crisis, I saw every single flag of any single country in the Middle East. Of course, didn't see any British flags anyway.

So that's one thing. People that go, well, there's only flags. All right, but it sets a tone, doesn't it? And then you're out there, you know, you're walking down entire streets where, like, not only is there no English people, but there's no English being spoken. I mean, I tried to voxpot people on the streets, and there were people there that just, like, literally couldn't speak English

for a start. I mean, you've got, you know, it just, how have we allowed this situation to happen? And that's being replicated up another country. And for a lot of these people, like you're only maitlaces of this world

and he lose goodalls of this world and all of that, like, they don't want to go to those places. They don't, they certainly don't want to live. They don't live in Bradford. So why would they care? Yeah. This is how they think.

Yeah. And what I'm convinced that they would do is if they decided to go and vox pop basically white people in those areas, they'd end up clipping them up and it'd be like gammany white van man that you've stopped in the street who, with the best world in the world to him

has probably not got a double first from Cambridge and you've cut him up and made him sound like a bit of a knob and then you've gone, oh yeah, look at that, that's the thick white reform voter that you've got there. Well, it's actually, that bloke was born there, his dad was probably born there. He's no right, he lives on a street now where no one speaks English, where there's

massive levels of crime where, like, there's the, you know, the Pakistani flag is on one side of his house. He's got that Palestinian flag on the other. He's working up one day and he's a bit like, I don't really know what's going on here. And he's allowed to feel a bit squiffy about that, I think. He's always feel a bit squiffy about that. Of course. And let's be honest about what it is.

It's classism. Yeah. It's classism because if... You're on this hobby horse now. Here we go. Here we go. Working class is being oppressed, mate. We've got 20 minutes.

Tune in. Get yourself a problem. You know what? This problem is about me. Yeah, exactly. It's about people like me. Exactly. Now, shut up, everybody.

Because I'm going to go and have a monologue. But genuinely, this is classism of the highest order. Because what it is, is middle class people sneering at working class people's problems. And if they say, or they make a point, which is a completely legitimate, as you said, they're not going to engage with the argument because they realize they know they can't, because they realize that they will lose the argument, so all they can do is her epithets, invoke their race, the fact they're their white working class,

they speak with an accent, which means they're stupid and racist, and therefore you can smear them and then walk away knowing that your halo is intact. Yes, and the consequences of that will be that that gets clipped up and might even go around their local community a little bit, and then Gary at number 42 is a frothing racist, and no one should engage with them,

and maybe his employer will sack him as well for it. There are consequences to the actions that some of these people do. Seriously, there was a lady who came on my show once. I was a member of an audience. She was a member of the public. He came on and made a point, not as similar to what we're just talking about here,

how in her, it's literally just her lived experience of where she, like, oh, you know, this girl is just talking about, well, I live here, this is how the area has changed, this is stuff that's happened to me, and is literally happening right now. And she made the point, there was anything controversial about it whatsoever. And then some light,

Lefties with a number of followers on Twitter get hold of it, clip it up. And bless her, she's emailing me the next day being like, is there any chance we can take this down from social media? Because I'm getting like parents coming up to me at the school, Gates calling me, calling me like Hitler and things for having these views. This is the consequences of what these people do when they clip people up, when they try and mug them off and they try and demonise them. I don't know about how you guys feel, but I am now,

there are still things that get to me the odd time, depending on what side of the bed I've worked up to it. but I'm basically immune to being called a racist now. I'm basically immune to being called an Islamophone, basically, because I know I'm not, and I want to be able to make the points that we make here and have these discussions here. And also, we're surrounded by it now, are we in the media?

We talk about this stuff a lot. So that stuff brushes off me. But if you are just like a normal guy called Paul, who works in a garden centre, and like 50 people online start calling you an Islamophobe, and five pillars get old of it, and then they start calling you an Islamophore as well. That's quite heavy sh**ts for Paul.

And that does tend to silence people and shut them up. And that's why they've got away with it for so long in this country by allowing us to get into this position because there's basically been a culture of fear and cancellation for people who wanted to just speak out. And it's created silence. Before Patrick answers a final question, at the end of the interview,

make sure to head over to our substack. The link is in the description where you'll be able to see this. Does Patrick think off-com is fit for purpose? question. And if not, what would he change in terms of their remit and powers? Do you think the government, the media, and even parts of the police, are too scared to talk honestly about the strain illegal migration is putting on the UK? And more so, who's really benefiting from keeping the public in the dark with all the cover-ups? What are the best arguments you've heard defending illegal and economic migration to the UK?

Defending illegal? Yeah. The equation is the UK. Yeah. Does anyone even defend it? Well, Patrick, look, it's good to have you on the show and I think it's very really important that you're doing the investigative journalism that you're doing. And I say, you know, a lot of people like to slack GB News for being right-wing this. And, you know, for us, we try to have people on from across the spectrum. But ultimately, there are some issues whether you're left, center, right, that just shouldn't be happening. There shouldn't be grooming

gangs and rape gangs in our country. We should have a border. These aren't right or left-wing positions. They're the positions of everybody in the country who's got a brain, basically. So I think, actually whatever criticism people might have about GB News or whatever, I think it's really important that they're giving an opportunity to people like you to come up with this stuff, to talk about things, just looking at the reality of what it is, and giving a voice to a lot of people. Yeah. It's really important. Can I just say one thing quickly?

Because thank you for the opportunity today, because I would amassily funny you guys for such a long time. It's just tremendous to be here. But what I would say on that is, the times that people come up to me in the street, like 99.9% at the time, it's like, oh, great. or watch GBNEs, and that, by the way, is from right across the racial spectrum. So there's a big Iranian community near me, there's a big Jewish community. He's not racist.

No, no, but seriously, there are... I know, I'm kidding. It is. No, but the odd time that people come up and they go, they say the kind of things that you said, you know, you're bigger, or the latest one is you were genocide supporters, which is, I mean, last time I was, wasn't, wasn't specifically pro-genocide. I always said, okay, well, sorry, do you ever watch it? And they go, no, they don't actually watch it. So if you are out there and you are a bit on the fence about it, or you, you're,

you've only going off what you've heard other people, maybe slagging GPN news off, just watch it. Because we do cover a huge amount of stuff. We've spoken about the illegal immigration side of it, the grooming gang thing has been on precept. Fine, yeah, there is that. There is all that. But there's also loads of other stuff out there as well that we discuss. Whether it's with pensioners, whether it's with the farmers,

whether it's with anything to do with welfare, whether it's all sorts of things. Like, it's not all tub-thumpy, you know, illegal immigration stuff. So please do. These issues do need to be covered. This is my point, right? And it shouldn't be considered a right. wing thing to think a country needs

a border because I'm old enough to remember where no one questioned that statement whatever side of the political spectrum they were on. And actually that mentality is what the country needs to get back to and whatever the laws are that need to change and whatever the political consensus is that they just need to change back to

sanity. Otherwise, you really are stoking a backlash that will be right wing in the way that you really don't want to happen. So it's good that you're doing the work you're doing. Patrick, thanks for coming on. We're going to go to Substack and ask you questions from our supporters, but before we do, last question was the same. What's the one thing we're not talking about? Okay. Well, in light of what you just said, right, this might sound a bit

controversial, but I would like to see a little bit more investigation about what goes on in some mosques. Because I would like to know a bit more about where some of the imams are appointed from. For example, there's the Islamic Centre for England who, I am at Pais to say now deny any wrongdoing, or all any wrongdoing and I know of course there's no record of them doing any wrongdoing. But their leader of that mosque is appointed by the

Ayatollah of Iran. Okay. So that's the thing that maybe more people should know about. And where else is there in the country where there might be some characters like that who are freely able to give sermons to large congregations and gatherings of people?

I think there should be a little bit more of a look into, or the ability at least to have a discussion about what kind of literature is on offer at in some of the mosques in Britain. Who are some of these community leaders? Who are they? How have they become community leaders? And what is being said in the sermons and in the things that are there? Because when October the 7th happened, there was a bit of a report

that was doing to this actually by the Daily Mail, where they did attend certain things or receive leaked footage from certain ones in various different parts of the country. And there was some really, really, really, really fruity stuff being said in those things. And, you know, I think that's an issue. I think that's an issue.

And I counter that by say, or add to it by saying, I would be saying exactly the same if I thought that was happening in churches. I think it should be exactly the same if it was happening in synagogues or wherever else. And so I just think that that's something that maybe people should feel a bit more comfortable to have a discussion about.

There you go. Head on over to Substack where Patrick's going to answer your questions. What are the best arguments you've heard defending illegal and economic migration to the UK? Defending illegal? Yeah. Migration is the UK. Yeah.

Does anyone even defend it?