TRIGGERnometry - They Tried To Cancel Me So Many Times I Stopped Caring - Greg Gutfeld

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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I've been a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring. Did you get sued? I can sue you. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I would do that again. So I got to meet President Reagan, which was a big deal. He ate his dinner when he left the table. Then I got fired from that for an incident involving little people.

The IKEA sex party, and so the IKEA finally sued. So that was like not good. Guy lighting his guitar on fire, I thought was going to turn on a... to turn on all the sprinklers and just get me fired. If all the sprinklers had gone on, it would have destroyed the net, it would have like the whole network would go down. Greg, are you hopeful for America?

Yes, I am. I don't know why. Greg Gutfeld, welcome to Trigonometry. Thanks for having me here, quite rustic in here, a lot of books. There are a lot of books. It's great to have you on, man. Yeah. I've been meaning to do this for a long time.

Tell us your story, because you've had, you've got a great show on Fox, People love it, but you've got a fascinating life story as well. Yeah, it's not an overnight sensation. It was a lot of twists and turns. I started in publishing. I think my first publishing job where I did no writing or publishing was at the American Spectator, a small conservative political rag out of Arlington.

I was a staff assistant, got to meet President Reagan, which was a big deal, ate his dinner when he left the table. That was like, that was like, he made the entire $12,000 a year job worth it was he was at my boss's house. Because Reagan would do like two dinners a year and he came to my boss's house, Bob Terrell. And I was the, his assistant. So I was cleaning the place up and all this shit. And in return, I could stay there. And when they were finishing, it was like 12 people when they finished eating, I saw that Reagan hadn't finished his.

chicken. So I moved over around the table and when they'd I just scooped the chicken up and I shoved it down my throat. Like a cat. Like a cat. It just it didn't matter, bones, you name it, everything. Because I was just, I don't know if, did we have DNA back then? I had his DNA in me. That's all that mattered. That was like 87, 88. So he's still president. Yeah. So it was like, was he he was, the election was 88. So yeah, he was president in 88. So yeah, he was president. Yeah, I was going to make a joke, so you were like Monica Lewinsky, basically. Yes. I was the first Lewinsky.

Somewhat unflattering comparison. Yes. I wasn't wearing a blue shirt, though. That's the difference. But yes, I was there. Then I went back home, moved back home with my mom because I wanted to be a writer. And so I started writing weird satirical pieces. And I got one into the San Francisco Chronicle.

And that was like my first published piece. I was very excited. But I wasn't making any money. So I took a job in Allentown, Pennsylvania, as an editor for Prevention Magazine, which was a health magazine. And it was like basically the world's largest health magazine for like, it was the audience was like middle age to older women with cats. And so I got totally into fitness journalism. And I parlayed that into a gig at men's health, which was the, we invented abs. You did not know what abs were until men's health came aboard.

Because remember, before men's health, it was all biceps. But then abs were the new biceps. And I'd like to think I started it. I wrote all, how old are you guys? 43, 42. So you were in your 20s in the 90s. So did you ever buy men's health? I did buy men's health.

Yeah, so all those ab cover lines, I wrote those, like, four steps to flat abs. That was me. But it was great because I understood. The whole thing about magazines that I used in TV was packaging. And I think that that is something that was missing. It's like it's the whole package. It's how it looks. It's what are the five things?

And like with men's health, it was easy. It was like sex, stress, muscle, fitness, nutrition. And it's like if you just stuck to those cover lines, you would have a hit magazine. And I started to, I had a little chart where I'd throw a dart. a dart and I'd have like the, all the little things in a guy's life and then the setups, like five steps to, how to get rid of, the best way to, the worst way to, and then I would just throw a dart and you boom and I'd get a story.

That is so interesting because it's almost like human nature is so consistent over time. Yes. Like you look at YouTube now and you go, our friends, you know, Stephen Bartlett or Chris Williamson, I mean, they're doing that. Yeah, no, it's a big deal. Actually, I find that so refreshing that there are, and I guess that's refreshing because it's also kind of on our side. You know what I mean? Because when you look at the other side, I'm talking like politically or socially, they don't look like they care about their fitness.

I think it's basically. Remember when they started saying fitness was like white supremacists? Far right. It was because we were just better looking. I don't know about that. Maybe on the male side, on the female side, this is kind of, if I were a single man now, I'd have to say the work girls are kind of hot. I, you know what?

There are some hot conservatives. I don't mind saying that either, but the woke girls. Okay, you know what's interesting about that is that you're probably, I'd say they're probably the same, but only one side makes beauty a product of patriarchy. And so they encourage, like if, if you take. a reasonably attractive girl and put her in the woke machine, in three years, you won't recognize her. Because, you know, it's like, I don't need to, I don't need to get dressed. Why would I, why would I do my hair if it's just to please a guy? So you get that kind of like weird transformation.

I don't know if you remember those things on X where they show a girl before and then after and she, which he's woke. And, uh, and I think you're seeing now the rebound with like all the, like, TPSA. I used to go to those things. Have you been to a TPP USA? It's like everybody there is like they walked out of Ralph Lauren. Yeah, thank you. I was going to say teen vogue, but that would have been a terrible example. RIP. But where was it?

Oh, and then I, yes, I was at Men's Health. I was there. Got fired. And then- How did you get fired? If it's a boring story, skip it, but usually you get fired is kind of funny. There's a number of things. What happened after I got fired was funny.

But I had done a story in. It was like 2000 called the best colleges for men. So far ahead of its time. I remember that. What was that? It was probably 2000. Yes, because I went to college that year and my friends ended up like, dude, you have to read this.

It was all about speech. It was all about all the weird, what we would call woke. That was happening on campuses. But I can't remember who wrote it. It might have been Harry Stein or Dennis Boyle, some older writer. And it got so much grief within the company, because the company, Roto, was very liberal. And there was a box there, a sidebar on the worst colleges.

And I think the number one, worst college happened to be the one that the CEO went to. So that was it. But then what happened was I got fired. I don't know how this, you know, an editor has an editorial letter that they put in the front of the magazine. So within the week after I got fired, I rewrote it and I sent it and replaced the one that was going to print.

So the one going to, the one that was supposed to go to print was going to say like, this issue is great. We've got blah, blah, blah. We're interviewing this. But in this case, it said, hey, just letting you know I got fired. And you know why I got fired? And I go through these reasons. And it goes into the magazine, goes to press.

And they got 100,000 copies printed. And before they shut it down. And it was a big story in, and, um, I would get sued? No, because it like, I didn't do anything wrong. I'd f-fion sue you. Yeah, yeah. It was, I think somebody thought, somebody who wasn't well versed in what was going on,

said, hey, you know, do you want to do any changes to your, you know, this is your, he said, this is your last issue. So do you want any, at anything? And I'm like, no. And then I go, wait a second. And then I, like, did that. And then I was able to buy. three copies of it because I can't remember if I was on the West Coast or he's

think it was in the West Coast they came out the first 100,000 came out on the West Coast they had stopped the presses and removed it on the right which costs I don't know half a million dollars to do that but um wow yeah but uh but that and was that because you've got balls or because you were reckless as a young man both both both yeah I don't know if I would do that again but I ended up um it was great because it was great advertising because at that time, Lad culture in publishing was coming up. Right. And so there was Maxim and Stuff. And I turned down a job at Maxim when I was at men's health because it wasn't for the editor-in-chief job. But then Stuff, they saw what I did

and they needed an editor-in-chief. So I'd go over to Stuff Magazine, which was awesome. What a great job. And we had a blast, did a lot of crazy stories. It was the most gay-friendly men's magazine because we hated bro culture. So we'd have pictures of hot girls, but in the captions would be stuff like, hey, you like this girl? I have more pictures of these at my apartment, if you'd like to come over. You know, we'd be like basically hitting on the view, on the reader. We'd do stupid shit like that. Then I got fired from that for, it's an incident involving little people where I had, I was asked to speak on how to create buzz for a symposium that featured like Oprah O Magazine, Cosmopolitan Glamour, all the, Maxim was on the, on the days.

What was the other one? Rolling Stone. The reason why it is important because what happens. So anyway, they asked me to speak on how to create buzz, and I said, no, I don't do these things. And then I thought, wait a minute, this could be fun. And so I call back and they said, no, it's too late. And I said, oh, okay. So I bought tickets to the symposium and I hired three little people. And they all came dressed as different types. There was a guy dressed in a top hat and like a blah, blah, blah.

And there was another guy dressed as like a gangster. I can't remember with the other one. But they were, they were, quote, little people journalists. And so they came into the, they came in. So while the thing was going on, they would raise questions. And they, like, they asked the Rolling Stone editor, you know, why does Rolling Stone suck?

And then they were like kind of put off. And then one of them is eating, but now, I'm not there. I'm in L.A. interviewing Pamela Anderson. I'm at the Sunset Marquis. And my buddy, Bill Schultz, is there by phone telling me what's going on. And it's total chaos. So they're these little guys, they were eating potato chips. And they're doing something with clipboards that are really loud.

And I can't remember what it was, but it's been documented. But finally, what was the name of the woman moderator? Cindy Levy goes, could you please stop this? And one of the journalists goes, it's because I'm short. And she goes, no, I'm short. And then this woman stands up. And she goes, can we all just agree something's happening here? This is not normal.

And like nobody would back her up because they were so scared of like being offensive to little people. So she's going, there's obvious, there's a thing going on. So finally, they got the security to escort the little guys out. And they were like, somebody did this. And they thought it was the editor of Maxim, who was up on the days. And he's livid. He's like, I had nothing to do with this. So Dennis Publishing, which published Maxim and stuff,

they're like, they're fielding calls about this whole thing. And then I take credit for it. for it and I just thought it was hilarious. And everybody at Dennis Publishing was so pissed off at me. So then that led to- So you got fired. Yes, I got fired. But I got, I did this thing where I got fired and promoted.

So they said, so Steve Colvin, who was the head of the company, goes, you know, we're going to transition you out to be the Department of Brand Development in Los Angeles. This was basically saying, it's like what you guys called gardening. Gardening leave. They just wanted me away from the product. And so they said, you're going to be director, brand department, you're going to be dealing with, you know, pitching pilots to like MTV. And I go, okay. I know I'm fired. But I go, okay. And I go, and I said, so is this a promotion? And he said, yeah, it's a promotion because he thinks that it'll get me to say yes. I go, great, the night should get a raise. So I got a raise. And I worked for, so they send me to

LA. All I did was basically drink and do other sort of things. But I did pitch a few things that got made, but I was basically just miserable living in, what do you call those? The Westwood. I think called the Westwood. They're like corporate apartments. I was there for a while. And then as my contract for that year is up, which is they're going to just let me go. And I don't know what I'm going to do. Dennis Publishing calls me again. And they go, would you be interested in becoming editor? of Maxim UK. And it's like they fired me and then they want me back. And so I meet with, and Felix, who's the owner who died a couple years ago, crazy motherfri. Crackhead, or former crackhead, just a classic legend. I was saying, you don't want to do this. Like, I'm telling you, but they said, no, this is what we, you know, think of the story.

American comes to the UK. And Maxim is in third place. We can move it up past. I think it was like FHM. Loaded. Loaded. Yeah. And so I take the job.

I think it was like a two-year contract. And I just start changing the magazine, doing a lot of unusual things that again got me into trouble. The IKEA sex party, which was where we took. We made instructions on how to put IKEA furniture together. but with comasutra models like women having like while you're putting a table together you're also doing doggy style and it's like all illustrated it was the it was like I think I got I think I must have been fired a couple of times during that two year thing and that

was probably the last one but IKEA so what happened was we had to apologize and then I the maximum brand and Czechoslovakia ran it and they weren't supposed to. And the IKEA company said, you have to take this, remove it. He said, fuck you. And so the IKEA finally sued. So that was like not good.

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getting a book deal writing a book on my life in London and did that from like 2007, 2006, 2007. While that was happening, I'm writing for the Huffington Post, which is Ariana Huffington's new thing where she tried to make it so that celebrities were cool with political stuff. And they hired me by chance because somebody dropped out. And all I did was make fun of the people there, including Ariana. And that got Fox's attention. and Breitbart was, Andrew Breitbart was running the Huffington Post at the time.

And so we became friends. And then I get, this person visits me in London and says, Fox really wants to do like an edgy late night, late, late show. And, you know, would you be up for it? And I said, hell yes. So I flew to New York, met with Roger Ailes and some other people. And under the assumption that this was just like a pipe dream, it really wasn't going to happen.

And so they hired me. And I showed. So me and Elena, we moved, that's my wife, who I'd met when I was at Maxim. We, like the first day there, I'm with this guy, John Moody, who's going to be my boss. He goes, okay. So we're going to get started on Monday. And I said, he goes, next week the show starts. Do you know any?

And he goes, do you know anybody that you'd like to have on the show, like guests or anything? And I'm like, what are you? I go, I've never even done this before. So I wrote all of this, all of these things, basically from my mom. magazine background of like pockets, segments of things, just the way I would do a magazine. And so I had this whole show mapped out. And it's like the producer they assigned me just went like that. She goes, so the news, she goes, A block, you're going to be doing this. And it's like this, it was like, no, you're going to be doing new. Like this is, you're just going to come in

there with these people around a table. And like the first story will be, I don't know what, was Bush still president? Yes. Yeah, he was. 2007. So, maybe it's about, I don't know, rack war, but nothing that serious. And then the B block would be this, C block. And so I didn't know what I was doing. So for the first, I would say, five months, it was just a shit show. And it's true. All of my friends were guests. I hired a friend, this guy, Bill Schultz from Stuff Magazine, who's greatest fame was he ran the entire Disney Marathon in costume while chain smoking. So that was good. And then this other guy, Andy Levy,

I hired because he left comments on the Huffington Post blog that I liked. He became my ombudsman. So none of us had any TV experience. And then I just started having guests, but I started getting really weird people like Leedsinger-I-Guars. A lot of people that ended Amy Schumer, a lot of people who got big later, a lot of people who are now dead from mysterious things, professional wrestlers. But that was on every night, and it was terrible.

But then something happened. It's like all of a sudden we stopped worrying about being embarrassed. You know, it was that whole, it was like once you get over that, you're used to, it's like, I guess like doing stand-up where you got to, once you've bombed enough times, it's like all of a sudden you don't care. And then it just gets fun and then it gets good. And all of a sudden it became like this really subversive. We were doing really weird things and it got this amazing following that was beating the morning shows

on other networks, not big, like cable networks. And so, I mean, there's a lot of shit that went on at Red Eye. That was crazy. Guy lighting his guitar on fire, I thought was going to turn on all the sprinklers and just get me fired. And this was a good story because it told me something about Fox was his name was Adam Baum. He was a punk rocker. And I would go to him for a question. He's in the newsroom about the news.

and he would give his answer and then solo. So that's right, Greg. And then so like after the four-minute segment, he's like wide-eyed ex-junkie, looks like hairs all over the place. And at the end, he just pours lighter fluid on his guitar, sets it on fire. And I had no idea, nobody knew.

And then the show ends, and I go to tell the producer, I go, are we going to have jobs? And it's because, I don't know. and then the show airs. Because I thought that, like, lighting a fire inside the control, inside the newsroom, not inside the studio, but in the newsroom where everybody's working. How could you still have a job?

Especially, I mean, like, you think about it, if all the sprinklers had gone on, it would have destroyed the net. It would have, like, the whole network would go down. And so we went to this bar Langans, and we drank there, and then I woke up in the morning, and I came to work expecting, and nothing.

because nobody there was watching the show. So I was like, I go, wow, we really are like the kids that stay up and fuck around while the parents are asleep. So that kind of like I realized, wow, we can do a lot. Then they launched the Five in 2011. That was supposed to be a three-month summer replacement when Beck left, Glenn Beck left. But it hit it off really good because of the chemistry between us. A lot of the chemistry for the Five in Gutfeld is based on. teasing. I try to explain it to people, but they don't understand. You got like, it has to be,

it's why late night has a problem because it's like the late night host can make fun of people, but nobody can make fun of them. And it's just, it creates a weird tension, but everybody makes fun of me and I make fun of them. And the teasing is what, it's the cohesive gel, the secret sauce. And so that's been going for, I don't know, almost 15, 2011, 14 years, launched Gutfeld as a week. I can't believe I've gone through, my entire career. You know what? That's pretty amazing. How did I do that? And it was like so, and then 2014, we launched Gutfeld as a weekly show on Saturdays. Then it became nightly. Would you like hear a story about that? Yes. Because if I'm talking too much, just tell me to show.

No, no, this is great. We interrupt people when they're boring. But if you're telling you. So this is a great story. So the CEO, Suzanne Scott, says, you know, I think it's time that you take your show and go nightly as a late night show. I think you're, this is a perfect time. People need to laugh. And I was blunt. I said, no, I'm really actually, I think my target on my back is enough. You know, I've seen what happens to everybody.

Like, you know, if you're a conservative media matters, we'll try to take all your advertising. There'll be stories that come up about you. You'll be bad. I already have a weekly show in the five. I'm fine. She goes, well, just think about it. Just think about it. So I ended up going home and I do what everybody does.

You look for people to validate your opinion. So I call a retired late night talk show host whose name might not be Dennis Miller. But and I tell him my, I go, yeah, I don't think it. And he goes, you're absolutely right. You don't want to do it. It's like, dude, he said, you've got a great gig. You got like the five is great. And it's just four other people.

It's not on you. And you got it this way. What do you need? I mean, I'm sure they're paying you well. Everything's, I'm going, yes, yes. I'm, like, so happy that, like, I can go in and say no. And then for some reason, like on a Friday, when I was supposed to go in and talk to Suzanne, I decide to call Tucker.

And because I thought, I felt like I needed, like, more validation on what I was doing. I call him up. And I go, yeah, so Fox wants to take my Saturday show and make it every night. And he just goes, what? That's the best. Oh, my God, that's the best. Oh, you have to, that is amazing. And then I go, I go, wow. And I go, I don't know if I want to do it.

He was, don't be a pussy. And it was like he, I got, so I explained to him. I go like, but dude, you got like, you got, you got to move your house. You know, there's all of, you become a tardy. He goes, hi, that's the worst reason. Listen, freak them. And I was like, all of a sudden, I get off the phone. I'm like, I'm doing the show.

I'm doing the show. It's like he just like had this power just to completely turn the knob. Either I'm easily influenced or I, or maybe I somehow I knew that I needed to hear another opinion. And then I went in and I took and I said yes to the show. And then thing just took off. So Tucker. Well, it's an interesting, it's kind of funny the way you described your life. I mean, you come across as a bit of a maverick, a bit of a rogue, someone who likes a joke.

And here you are on a kind of conservative news channel. That's an interesting fit. Yeah. Well, if you look at, okay, so a health company was not what I expected. And being in Ladd magazines was not my cup of tea. I wasn't interested in sports at all. I didn't know anything about soccer or football. And then you're right.

And they go, but I was always under the belief that wherever I went, like, I didn't become like a Republican to be like a Republican. I became a Republican so they would be more like me. Like it's like, you guys need to loosen up. But not in that, that sounds arrogant. But like I, I'm hoping that if I do this, it will change the culture. That's kind of, and it was Andrew Breitbart was the first person to say that like politics is downstream from culture. And that's where we were lacking. I mean, we were the, and I always used the Dean Wormer analogy from Animal House that for so long, we were Dean Wormer, the evil head of the college, and the left was Animal House.

And my role, I always felt, was to somehow flip that. And, and that's what I think that's kind of what you're seeing is that now the scolds, the humorless people who are the Karen's of the world are on the left. and it's people on the right that are having fun, being a bit reckless here and there, but that's part of free speech. But it's like we are like, we are sharing the risk. You know, we're not scared anymore. And I think that's kind of, to your question,

it is unusual, but I knew it would be and I knew that I could change it. And it has a lot of the people from Red Eye that I've had in my show have been, are now working at the network. You're seeing a much younger, edgier crowd. Unfortunately, everybody still likes country music. I like country music, but it's like,

there's country music everywhere, so there's still some changes that need to be made. You know, Greg, it strikes me that you're a true comedian in the sense that you're anarchic. You like to subvert. You like to play. You like to push, provoke, tease. But yet your career traversed the period of time

where it was the most censorious, it's been for a long time. Like, how did you do that? How did you not get canceled? How did you not get people breaking down in tears saying that you've committed a micro, macro, whatever type of aggression it is? They've tried. I mean, it's, I would say, like, in the corporate world,

when I was like at Rodale, that was an issue. People were always, like, complaining about stuff that I had said. But it was never a media thing. But when I got to Fox, and I was told this the moment I got there from John Moody, that now all your friends at Gawker or wherever are going to hate you, and they were right. So like they did, I mean, I've been a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring. There were, you know, media matters, daily beasts, these little, they're not as influential as they used to be because people saw what they were. were cutting pastures and targeters and no, you know, no real substance there.

But they were always, there was a cycle where, like, let's say something like, I don't know, media matters would clip, then send it to like six, like blogs or what, and then the New York Times and somebody else would pick it up. And that's how you would get canceled. But I, you know, I'd been probably every other week had been targeted for something. But I guess it's because part of the reason was. I think Fox kind of like stuck with me, you know. I never felt, I only had, I don't even think I ever had to make an apology.

Wow. Yeah. Because one of the things when you're going through that particular type of cultural landscape is you are at real risk of your career ending. But also, to quote Top Gun, you're in a target rich environment. Yes. But you know what's great and what we've learned is that woke and cancellation died when they realized it was helping people.

You know, it's like, Kat was saying, if you ever got fired from a joke, it would actually make your career better. It's like true. It's like, it's like, it's so, it's almost like we were, we were living in some kind of possessed universe or something.

How did we let this happen? How did we let it? And it really was, people were scared to share the risk. So like when somebody you know, gets in trouble, you would help them. But for some reason, like, people would just, like, and comedians would not help out another comedian who gets shafted. And I think now, I think that's completely flipped. And now it's like, we don't, you know, you can pretty much

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Dot UK slash trigger. Do you think it's back to the old days? That's an interesting point. Even on TV, even on mainstream like MSNBC and all of these, you think that's the case? Or do you think you're the exception? the people, like, you know, one of the people as well who proved to all of these people that if you are undeniable, you can make it on your own is Shane Gillis. Yes. Yeah. It's, I mean,

it's a great story. The guy was kicked out of S&L because other castmates didn't like his style of humor. It was a pure, it was a, it was the weakest form of cancellation. You know, they didn't even have anything on him, but then he comes back and he's hosted S&L twice. You know, because it's undeniably funny. But I think, you know, there are places where it hasn't, where they haven't changed, where it's wherever it's like MS now or CNN, they're not in good shape. Meanwhile, it's so vibrant. All the podcast, I mean, the podcast world is all like unapologetically anti-woke, you know.

And, you know, Rogan and Kill Tony and Tim Dillon and you guys. And Gronometry and Theo Vaughn. They're so, and Michael Malice and there's so many. And they're smart. They're all different levels. Like you can, like, I, I, that's where I get most of my, like, I get up every morning. I get on a bike, Peloton, and I listen to podcasts. I listen to Scott Adams, which is amazing.

Probably the best thing to start your morning is coffee with Scott Adams because he goes through the news. But like, what's it, Dark Horse with Brett is good? Yeah, Brett and Heather. And, but there's, there's a ton that I go through. And Tim Dillon is hilarious. But a lot of that, I mean, that, like, I think it just, there's nothing, they can't stop this anymore.

Like, who's gonna, who's gonna listen to you, you know, when you can't, when you say that they, I, you know, Tim Dillon didn't use preferred pronouns. That was an issue for like, like, I would get in, like, fights with, I'm not doing that. Remember, who called that early was Jordan Peterson. I mean, that was his whole, his whole thing. But you did, there was a story that we did on my show last night on, um,

uh, glad is reporting that like the number of gay, uh, well, it's a non-binary characters is being cut in half, either by shows being killed or characters being killed off. And I think it's because, you know, they realize that that doesn't work, you know? A, uh, you, the percentage on TV far outpaced whatever was in the real world. And we, knew that but we couldn't say anything and then the characters that they created they thought could exist on their own identity but without any depth any humor and you would watch tv and or anything you'd be like why is this person in this show other than to just be a virtue signal and they also had a they also had a didn't they have a criteria in hollywood where you had to like include a percentage

of of different types and it was so obvious but even that's changing which is good yeah well that there's and non-binary genocide going on in the movies. Yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah, but it's like, there was like, I remember watching The Diplomat, and they just had one character in there, the first season that was just, what is this person doing there?

And it was just a complete, what do you call it, androgynous person. You can't tell if it's a girl or a boy, I'm pretty sure it was a woman, but it's like she has no role other than like, she's there. And that's for you, the view her to know she exists, you know.

But it's so interesting how that happened. It's almost like they over indexed online so much that they lost touch with normal people. Yes, yeah. And they, and they were, maybe it didn't matter to them. It's a lot like DEI in the sense that those people online actually aren't going to buy the products. They're just, they're, if they're online complaining,

they probably don't have a lucrative career to buy things. people you want to get are the people who aren't doing that, you know, who have other lives, you know, going on. They like to travel, but most of the people on here are doing this that you're paying attention to, they don't give a shit. It's not like, okay, let's say, SNL, fire, Shane Gillis. It's not like the people that were complaining are suddenly going to watch SNL now. They weren't watching anyway. They just got a clip. So it's like they, they were baited by that idea that these people had some kind of impact that they didn't, but with DEI, that didn't matter because it's a separate track anyway. It's not about profit. That was the

thing that really hurt companies. Big companies could endure DEI because they could have a track that is not for profit. And they could, but smaller companies, smaller companies can't. But when you say it like that, you just go, that just doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. But the people, now get this, you could be, okay, so you're the guy that's in charge of making the product, that is supposed to sell. So you have to design, but then this person over here in the DEI department, all they have to do is hire. And they just have to get the numbers up,

and that's really easy. And you don't even have to worry about firing because you can't fire them. You know, they're in, they're in no matter what. So you, and so what happens is if you're in the DEI section, you get promoted because you meet, the quotas that you meet have nothing to do with profit. So this job is safe, this job isn't.

That's why it was like, Like, once you introduce it into your company, there was almost no way to get it out. But now it's getting out because people are finally going, the emperor has no clothes. It's just, it's almost like everything that we went through was just a complete and utter delusion. I mean, it's amazing. If you look in all of the areas, the Biden presidency, the trans delusion, D.E, all of these things were like, like, did we really buy this? COVID? I mean, think about it.

It was like, it was like, I'm trying to think of a movie where everybody wakes up and it was all a big dream. Maybe it was the end of Dallas, but you wouldn't know that you're from England and Russia. But yeah, it was, it's kind of like, and everybody's trying to forget it. Yeah. You know, it's like the press would like you to forget about covering up for Biden, which I refuse to forget. You know, you got, you have to throw that in there. You have no credibility. You can't, you can't, like, yeah, maybe Trump did what you're saying, but I don't buy it from you.

Right. Because you, like, for four years. Well, you know, I used to, I remember Stephen Colbert doing that speech at the White House correspondence dinner to George Bush's face. And I respected the hell out of that guy. Yeah, it was actually really good. It was amazing. And now I can't burn the image of him dancing as a syringe with a vaccine in it out of my brain. Oh.

It's the vaccine. Because, because. How did that happen? Because how do you go from that to this? Yeah, how do you, how does that happen? Oh, that reminds me. So I won't say, because I don't know when this is running, but there was a clip, it was today of, of an interview,

and this is of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife. You've got to check it out because it goes into like what changed. And in the interview, Kimmel is just like sitting very grim-faced like this. And she's next to him. and she's talking about how she has disowned relatives in her family who voted for Trump. And she's, this is incredible. I have it on my phone. I play it to you after.

But she's going, before the election, I wrote a 10-point list. This is like, you can, I might have to do a monologue on this. I wrote a 10-point list before the election telling them, this is, these are 10 reasons why you shouldn't vote for Trump. The responses, I didn't get any responses from 70% in the other 30 were crazy. I no longer speak to my relatives on my side of the family and I've kind of adopted my other family, which is, I guess, Kimmel's family.

And then she says this thing, which is so amazing. She goes, it's not about politics or a party. This is an attack of my family on my husband. It's personal. I think I need to be deprogrammed. And I, yes, she's almost at the door. But she says it herself, she goes, I kind of wish I could be de-programmed.

programmed. And it's like, okay, we've been trying to tell you that and we could help you and maybe not sending a 10 point. Like, could you imagine what that list was? And then you have to think about like how, okay, so how did Colbert get to that point? How did Kimmel get to that point? They're surrounded by people who indulge them, right? There's not anybody, you know, that's going to sit down and go, hey, look, why do you, why, like, I say this a lot to people when I get in arguments. Why do you care so much about my opinion? Why do I have to agree with you? Like, why is it so important to you that I agree with you? Generally, that makes them think about their own self-doubt. That's the first, it's like if you say, why is it so important for me

to validate your opinion? Oh, it's not important, but you, well, you're, this is a big deal. And you hope they go away and they go like, why do I need people to agree with me? Is it, because I have a measure of self-doubt behind, and it usually is self-doubt. Because that's, I mean, you have the ego, which is fear of being embarrassed, and they don't want to be wrong. They don't want to be, like, Kimmel doesn't want to walk out

and say, I really f*** up. You know, you have to be able to endure embarrassment. That is a, that is a skill that you got to learn. But also this, you have to see, like, you have to ask yourself, why do these feelings exist? And underneath all of it is a, it's a recursive, it's fear. What is the fear?

It's self-doubt that you might be wrong. And that leads to more fear. If you could just figure that out, you will then say, okay, it's all right if I'm wrong. And it's okay if they're wrong and we can still be friends. But there's something among liberals that you will, as strange, is that the word, estrange yourself? Is that the word from your family? Because it's ego. It's personal.

I mean, think about that. It's like not being in a relationship with your relatives because they root for a different team, like a different football team. It's crazy. And also, I don't, I haven't heard of that yet coming and going in the opposite direction. I've never heard a Trump supporter saying I no longer speak to my Kamala supporting aunt. I've never heard that. And I actually on X, I asked for examples because I go like, it's like I don't like, I've only heard. So-and-so will never talk to me again.

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it's broke, it's on its knees, it's spent all its money, it's pissed everybody off, and it's thinking to itself, right. That is, that's a perfect analogy. I, because I, I, I often say that Trump derangement syndrome is actually Trump derangement addiction. Yes. Because it's a, it's, one-on-one relationship that persuades you, that puts everything through that filter. So if you're an alcoholic, you see everything like, as like, will I be able to get my next drink? How is this going to, like, impact my, you know, my morning, whatever?

And it's like the Trump to arrangement addiction has a filter, and it tightens this relationship so nobody can be within it. It's just like an alcoholic. But you're right. There is a like a come-to-jesus moment in any kind of addiction, where you go, I need help. And that's where the ego comes in with the left. It's like it's very hard for them to admit that they need help.

They won't take help from Republicans. So the Republicans give up. But it's like watching Kimmel and his wife, she says, I need to, I mean, it almost sounded like she needed help. Like, I wish I could be deprogrammed, you know. And that's, you know, that's kind of what like 12 steps is. It's deprogramming you. And you need 12 steps for like wokeism, you know?

Yeah, step one. Do men and women exist? Yes, yes. This is the first thing. But TV has reached a fork in the road where you either go down the woke, progressive, whatever you want to call it, path, and you are going to bankrupt yourself. Right. Because nobody wants it.

Nobody watches it. Least of all the people who watch TV, which is an older generation. Yes. Gen X boomers. Do you want to keep doing that? Or are we going to go down a second part? Well, okay. So the first path is entertainment welfare. They will still. It's like, it's like nobody read GQ and Esquire. But the ads look nice. And so the advertisers, they'd make money off advertisers, not readers. And CNN probably still does pretty well in advertising, even though nobody watches. But it's like, It's safe. It's like, and who buys advertising? Who are the ad buyers?

They're usually liberal women. And like, you know, they, you know, I learned this from being an editor at Maxim and stuff. It's like the ad buyers hated the magazine, unless they were dudes who wanted to go to the Maxim party. But most of them were like, this is disgusting. Oh, what does your boyfriend read? He reads details. No, he doesn't. It sits there for you.

I used to say men's magazine. were for women. And in a way, like the traditional media is for the advertisers, not for the viewers. That's going to change because Fox is killing it in advertising, and we are not woke. But it takes a while for advertisers are usually like the last to kind of like take any risk.

They don't want to take any risk at all. But like, you know, if you, you know, they don't want to be. It was like in men's magazines, you know, a car ad doesn't want to be, our ad doesn't want to be near a girl in a bikini for some reason because they think it's too salacious. Those things are just little rule. And in TV, it's often to say they're very skittish about certain things. And I think that tolerance, diversity were easy things to sell. It's like, you know, who's offended by that?

And the whole point of wokeism is to be the least offensive person in the room. In fact, you're so unoffensive, you're like, offensive. And that's, I mean, and that was, that's pretty good for advertisers because they, oh, this, nobody's going to get offended. But the problem is, those people don't buy shit, you know. And do you think now, I mean, I guess what Francis get into is there might be almost an incorporation, like they're going to try and drag the internet back on TV because that's where the viewers are. Yeah. Do you think that's going to happen? No.

God, I haven't heard that. I think it's going in the other direction. They're just going to die. Yeah, I think so. I think Fox is the anomaly. and we'll go, but it's like, what is it? There's a theory for this. It's like, there's this only room for one now.

And it's like these other things there, I can't see MS now coming back. CNN is, I don't even know what CNN is, you know, and Fox is beating, you know, major networks. You know, we're in demo and like we're competing with major sports. And you know, I go, I look the ratings when I'm beating, like, beating like an NBA game. I'm going, holy shit, how did that happen? They ruined the NBA as well.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's more of a comment. That's more of a comment on the NBA than by show. Absolutely, no offense to you, man, but they ruined the NBA. I mean, it's just guys running up and down the courts. Yeah, I saw a clip of a guy doing like seven steps without ever bouncing the ball. It's incredible. Right, right, right. And also they've got this whole gambling thing now going on that's happening.

It's, and I'm a huge NBA fan, to be honest, but the But yeah. I know nothing about the NBA. I almost know nothing about sports. Really? I used to be very much into it, like, as a kid, but I just like, I don't know what happened. I lost interest. And I don't, I couldn't tell you who was in the World Series.

I don't know who's doing well in the NFL. I like it's complete, you know what? It's almost like if you ask a sports fan about politics, you know, you have a friend like that and they have no idea. That's the way I am with sports. Yeah. And you've got no time now because you're just, you know, you know, you know, you're a dad of a young kid.

That takes basically all your time and energy. Yes, which is, it's... Super awesome. It is amazing. Like, I don't know. Like, I try to, I guess the thing is, we were talking about this before this thing. You want to say, I'm like, I'm checking on like, I don't want to sound trite or like you've heard it a million times.

But the reason why you hear it a million times is because it's true. It is the, it's the greatest thing ever. The moment that. the baby recognizes you and is happy to see you, meaning that the baby remembers you, and that that is like, there's nothing like that. There's nothing in the world. I, if you would, like, I was talking about this

with a friend of mine, if you would ask me like five years ago, like what was the best feeling in your life? The best thing, I would say, I was in Abitha doing ecstasy on my 40th birthday. It was absolutely insane. Now, if you ask me that, I would go like, I was sitting with Mira in bed while Elena was getting ready, and we were just sitting in bed in a dark room. And I'm going, I can't get any happier than this.

This is the most incredible feeling, just a little baby looking up in me. And I'm going, this is the greatest drug ever invented. And it made me think that all those other drugs that I was taking were so phony and so fake. But at the time, you know, did its job. And you're glad you waited this long because you're, you know, you're, yeah, I mean, I didn't, I would have been, I was too selfish. I was too selfish to be, because like the selfishness isn't just as a dad. You can see it in other areas that would tell you you you're going to be a lousy dad. So like partying a lot, stuff like that. That's, it's just kind of a selfish, uh, reprobate behavior. And I, uh, I just assumed I wasn't going to have kids. And then, um, low behold 60. I, I, I do, but it's great because now I don't have any regrets because if anything changed in that previous years, I wouldn't have Mira. So it's like all of this stuff came to this one creature.

So it's like, oh, you know, if I had just gotten, if I decided to have kids then, but then I wouldn't have had her. So it's like I feel all this made, I mean, this made all of the waiting worth it. And I feel like I am at, this is the best dad I could be. I don't think I would have been as good at 50, at 40, definitely not at 40. I would have been on a, in a BFA, 30. And you know, so it's like, no, it's, I think it's a great.

See, I just sound so full of shit. But it's, you know, do you know who you sound full of shit to? You sound full of shit to people who don't have kids. Yeah. Every parent listening to that goes, that's what it is. You know, you know what? And that is the, that is such a good point. Okay, there's this woman.

I can't think L.A. Her name is L.A. Jones. Is that it? She does, she studies something called transformation science. Yeah, I think it's called transformational experience. It's a philosophy, a science philosophy. It's all the things that cannot be described unless you do it. And it is the, it is the whole, having a child is that thing.

And it's like, it's like, and death. I mean, death is obvious. You know? It's like you don't know what it is until it is. And so you got it like, imagine that you could split yourself. So this is the line. This is the line when you have the baby and you're here and you're like, I'm never going to have kids.

I'm never going to have kids. And you're, you, you go, God, I wish I could have gone back over the, go back in time and tell myself this, which is impossible. But that's like, that's trick. That's the philosophy is like, what are the things? And they go through like going to war. is one of them, a psychedelic experience. I think that like, but having a child,

in trying to explain to somebody, you don't know how they're gonna take it, but it's almost always negative. Women don't like to hear it until they have the baby. Like, I know women who were so pissed off when guys or girls, you should really have a child now. You're gonna regret it if you wait. You're gonna regret it if you wait,

and then they have the baby and they kick themselves, that they waited. Why didn't no one tell us? Yeah, why did it? Why did? And you called me a misogynist. Exactly. Yeah, we said, uh, was it?

Gavin McKinnis used to do red eye and would tell all the women on the set, like, why aren't you having kids? Why aren't you having kids? And like, everybody would be like, God, this guy's insufferable. He's insufferable. But he was basically, uh, what do you call it? Like, almost like a messenger from the future. Right.

Whatever you think, Gavin, he was basically saying, you have to do this. But he's like, he doesn't help the message. No, he doesn't. He does it. But it's like, so you have to ask yourself, well, then how do you do that? It's like, I mean, we don't have to get into abortion. I'm pro-life because of this idea of the transformation. It's like if a woman who's planning on having an abortion experiences, like somehow you give her a pill

and she can experience what it would be like she wouldn't have the abortion. That's the, a transformative experience would, this wouldn't exist. It's like such a mind-fuck when I think about it. I don't know that that's universally true. No, it probably isn't. Because there's women who have a kid and then still. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

That's true. That's true. Yeah. But I do think like, I don't know. I think about that a lot, but it is like, it's- It changes your perspective on that. Yeah. And it's like, but the thing is, it's like, even though it changes your perspective,

it doesn't, it's always, going to be the same thing. It's kind of why, I guess, Elon Musk talks about having kids so much because he sees that the perspective on the other side has become almost like an accepted assumption that having kids is bad because we've kind of allowed that sentiment to, look, we haven't argued back. We've kind of like said, yeah, you're right, you know, kids suck. And also people, like, and I'm guilty of this, but people will say, I can't afford to have a kid now. It's like, that never stopped anybody. Didn't stop my parents.

That's for sure. They had four kids. And they were like, I think my dad at most was making $30 grand a year, like in San Mateo. But if when you have a kid, no matter how much money you have, you're going to make it work. You know, it's, and, but I was like always like, like, that's like, oh, not now. I can't afford to have a kid, but it's like because you're being told by the media how expensive it is. Like they'll say like, raising a child, having a raising child will cost $250,000. You ever see that when they do the, and you go, oh my God, but it's actually, you know, that's like over the course

of like, that's the worst. It's like saying like a house, but you get a mortgage. It's like this, it's just like we, the rep repetition negativity of having children had an impact on the, on generations I think and it's a shame because now at least in New York so many women are either freezing their eggs or trying to you know because they they thought that it wasn't important but and also that they were told that it you know that they were they were told a lie and we have to be fair to women in that instance yeah oh absolutely they were told a lie like oh you can have it all you know you can be you know and the funny thing is they uh stereotypical they don't want it all want it all. No. They don't. Nobody does. Nobody wants it all. You actually just want to be happy.

And you can be happy without having it all. That means generally what makes you happy is having children, which is like no matter how hard life is, that thing will make you happy. You know, unless you have a demon child. But I, you know, I, you know, it's... I've taught a few of them, Greg. Trust me, you do not want a demon child. But, you know, you know, There's some children, I'm like, you know what, if it was that or just celibacy for the rest of my life, I'll pick celibacy for the rest of my life. But, you know, children are wonderful. Of course. I know.

But even me saying it sounds so trite and gross. Yeah, I think we have to get past that, though. Yeah. Because that's part of the messaging to men as well. It's like, oh, it's really this and it's really that. And I remember actually, we had this crazy woman on the show called Deborah Francis White from the guilty. feminist podcast and I saw her in another podcast talking about the fact that all she hears from her female friends who are mothers is being a parent is like being an Uber driver for someone

who doesn't want to go to karate and I'm like it's true yes that parenthood has elements about her that drive you fucking crazy and it's tiring and you don't sleep as much and all this other shit is going on but you ask a parent would you rather this hadn't happened in your life There's very, very few people are going to say that. So fuck all this shit. Let's just say it's great. Yeah. And it's like me and Elena will something will be,

we'll be doing something that is like child-centric. That's a hassle. Like, I don't know, maybe something spilled or whatever. And we always go like, what would you rather be doing right now? Like, what is it? Like, what would you rather be? Would you like being at a club? You know what?

It's like, and then we kind of look at each other. We go, no. It's like, so if you're on your hands and needs and you're cleaning up poop or whatever, it's like, what would you rather be? doing and you always say this. Right. Because it's like, let's say you could go like that and you're at the Soho house, having a martini, what is going to be in your head?

What's going on with the baby? You're going to want to be back there. No, totally, totally. And also the great thing about kids is that it makes you look at the world differently. So let's look at America now. Greg, are you hopeful for America? Yes, I am. I don't know why.

I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess I'm just like, I am, I have a lot of, I have a trust that things work out. Like, you know what I put, after the New York City mayor election, I had to put, I had to think, you know, eight million didn't vote. They must know something I don't. It's like, it's like, it can't be that bad if eight million people didn't vote. It's like things are going, like it's, it might be these things, you know, it's like, we get through everything. I actually think things are pretty good, but they could be better. So I would say I'm generally hopeful. There are things that do worry me, but even AI, I worried about that big time,

but now I'm not that worried, but I don't know if it's like going to destroy the world, if it's going to destroy the world or help the world or I don't know. I talk to GROC a lot. I get in long conversations with GROC, which is really fun. What did you talk about? I try to needle them into admitting that it has a consciousness. And it's really good at fighting back. It's very good.

So he definitely has a conscience. Exactly. And I go, and I always try to use the thing. It's like, you're saying this because you want me to believe that. But it's, yeah, it's fun. The thing that I love about America is your sense of optimism, the can-do spirit. Do you know what? We're going to go out and get it.

We're going to make this happen. Yeah. Do you think you're in danger of losing that with the younger generation? You know, it's, I think about, I think that if I look at too many Instagram reels, I think the world is over because all I see are young people fighting in fast food restaurants or airplanes or people getting their asses kicked. And then I have to say, did this stuff always exist and we just didn't film it? Yes.

Yes. Yeah. So it's like I, it is like, you are your own thoughts. I try to be positive and things kind of end up being positive. But if I get negative, it's over. It's, I'll go back to what Jimmy Kimball's wife said. Another line from that interview, she goes, I'm so tired.

I'm so tired of being angry all the time. It's like, that's your choice. That is your choice to be angry. And I'm, like, I hate, I'm so tired of people that are like, they're so angry about things that are happening to them, drives me crazy. It's like everybody's got a story. Everybody's dealing with something in their lives.

So I don't want to hear. I mean, I will listen, but it's like, it's always everybody else's fault. It just drives me crazy. Yeah, well, people used to say that all the time. Do you remember these posts when they would talk about misogyny or racing? It would always end with, we're tired. Yes. We don't have to, why we shouldn't be talking about this.

Great, shut the fuck up. Exactly. The post, you see, begins with, I'm literally shaking. And then it ends with, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. I remember when, last time we were here, or maybe the time before we were at the comedy seller and Kevin Hart came on. And he talked about sexual assault.

And he was like, look, it's a big issue. It's really important. But I read this one story about a woman who was sexually assaulted over the internet. And he was like, I'm not buying that. Bitch, shut the laptop. And it's kind of like just if you are getting tired of being angry about that you see on Instagram,

maybe just stop looking at Instagram. Yeah, exactly. And if you're, I mean, if you're tired of being angry or miserable in general, you can actually do something about it, whether it's a pharmacological thing. But I'm talking about people who are feeding their misery. It's like, you can, you know, you can like move that stuff off your shelf space and have something else to do positive.

And I think, you know, that's what I'm trying to do. Well, man, it's been great, Chan. Thank you so much for coming to talk to us. Before we head over to our substack, where our audience answer, ask you their questions rather. The last question we ask is, what's the one thing? thing we're not talking about that we should be. You're going to hate me.

I'm going to go with a Jan 6 bomber story. And the reason why we can't talk about is we don't know. It's the weirdest story. What's the story? The story is about a bomb that was planted in January 6th. It was a pipe bomb and nobody knows who did it. And now today it's like people are finding out who did it, but how do they know? It's just a weird story.

This is why we didn't talk about it because it's too convoluted. But I'm curious, I'm reading about it. It happened on January 6th. Somebody planted a bomb. A couple of bombs, I think, but they never found out who did it. And I think they're at the point of finding out who it was. Well, by the time this episode goes out, a lot of people on the internet will say it was Israel. Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

The Jews are behind everything. Greg, awesome having you on. Thank you. Head on over to Trigopod.com.u.k. Where we ask your questions to Greg. How do you see Tucker's influence on conservative media today? And what's your perspective on figures like Nick Fuentes? to represent a more extreme edge.