TRIGGERnometry - "Trans Issues Affect EVERYBODY" - Arielle Scarcella

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

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Our brilliant guest today is a YouTuber Ariel Scarcella. Welcome to Trigonometry. What up? How are you guys over there in the UK? We're locked down. We are keeping at a safe distance from each other. But before we get into all of that, for anyone who doesn't know who you are, just tell everybody who are you, what has been your journey? through life that leads you to being on trigonometry in this very remote and distant way. Oh, wow, interesting. Well, I came out as a lesbian at 19. And that is why you're here.

That's why I'm here, because a lot of your viewers are probably straight men who love lesbians. I don't know. I don't know your viewership, but I'm assuming that's what it is. And you know what? The straight guys have been nothing but gracious and really sweet to me. So it's like I joke a lot about like, oh, straight men, but like literally I've never had a problem with them. Um, personally. Yeah, but I, I came out when I was 19. Um, I started making content on YouTube about being a lesbian when I was 23 and my content has changed. I wouldn't say

dramatically, but politically it's changed a little, you know, quite a bit. And it's, it's, it's gotten to the point where I, you know, I, I stir up some drama and, you know, there's some, there's some tea being spilled. Um, but I think it's because I'm, I'm, I'm the one open, you know out lesbian on on YouTube that you know calls out bullshit honestly that will call out the bullshit of the progressive left or of the right but like I've never had an issue with the right so I haven't had to call anybody out unless it's religious people then I'm just like it's not even worth my time you know um because they're allowed to believe whatever the hell they believe as long as they're not infringing upon my right fine um yeah and I I came out with a video

um about two months ago about leaving the progressive left. I never officially came out as conservative because I don't think I'm fully conservative. I think I'm like somewhere in the middle. And I've, yeah, a lot of, a lot of more conservative or right-wing channels or even libertarian channels have been asking for my opinions on LGBT topics because I feel like I'm kind of an expert at this point. A few weeks ago, a lot of our fans started clamoring for us to talk to you. And I think your YouTube channel has been completely demonetized. Is that right? It was up until like yesterday. It was it was demonetized for five weeks. Okay. So it's going to take some time. They they re-monitized me, but I had

to change a whole bunch of stuff like unfortunately. Yeah. They and it's funny because a lot of people were like, Ariel's been making the same content literally for 10 years. And and apparently they demonetized me for having sexually explicit content. I've been posting the same type of videos for 10 years. So how come as soon as I came out as non-progressive, all of a sudden, it's just like, and again, like, people rally behind me. And, um, and I like the, you know, the progressive, the progressive, I'll just call them the woke left from now on, just so you guys, because I don't want to keep saying progressive. It's annoying. But the woke, you know, the woke left likes to hate on cis straight heterosexual white men. And it's like the people that actually donated to my Patreon

were cis straight white white men nine out of ten times it was those types of people that were being supportive so I think a lot of these people are misunderstood um I think I think the far left you know finds it easier these days to just hate on somebody for who they are not what they believe you know like oh you're well you're a man you can't you don't have a say or you're you're this you don't have a say oh you're you're you're cis you can't talk on trans topics and it's like why can't everybody talk about every topic? And if it affects them in some way, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to talk about, like, gay men issues.

I have no, it doesn't affect me in any sense of the word, but trans issues do affect everybody because it's changing the definitions of the word man and woman. That affects everybody alive. I think everybody should have a part of the conversation, you know? And I don't think, I don't think I've seen that many people that are actually hateful about it. They're just cautious or curious.

or worried. I haven't seen that many hateful people personally. And Ariel, so you touched on the whole trans issue. Now, I've got a couple of mates who are gay women, and they are to use, how can I put this, correct terminology, absolutely fucking livid at what is happening, in particular what is happening to women's spaces. Can you touch on particularly, why is this such an emotive subject for you and why is it so important for you? Well, first of all, there's, it's gotten to the point where even this week is Lesbian Visibility Week. And I think it's Diva Magazine, which is in the UK. It's like the one lesbian magazine over there, I think.

There's like two lesbian magazines in the whole world, and that's one of them. And because we're a very like underrepresented community, right? It depends on the genre, I have to say. That's true. You're right. I know. Are we allowed to curse? Like when we're talking about.

Because of what you want. When you talk, when you, yeah, porn, I mean, lesbian porn is one of the most watched, right? But yeah, it's gotten to the point where I was just having a conversation with my friend Mars, who's a trans guy. And we were talking about the lesbian visibility week. I mean, it's a made-up holiday. Like, I did a whole series of videos years ago and people believed me. I would just make up fake LGBT holidays. And people were like, yeah, let's celebrate.

And I'm like, I just made this up. I mean, it's a made-up holiday for, it has good intentions, obviously, right? Lesbian Visibility Week. But they have, you know, a trans woman. And I'm not saying trans women can't be socially lesbians, right? But the person that they're featuring has only been out for a few years, and they're in their 50s. Like you live the majority of your life as a heterosexual man. Maybe we shouldn't, you know, take the one week or the one day, I think, which is actually tomorrow. It might be the 26th, Lesbian Visibility Day, officially might be the 26. Why are we constantly propping, you know, propping up trans women that identify as lesbians and not females, you know, like, it's,

it, it, I don't, I don't know how to explain this, but it's like, I'd never, people call me transphobic for, for saying, trans women can't be lesbians. I've never actually said that, because I think there is a social aspect to, to gayness, right? Like, if you appear, you know, like, you know, like, drag queen goes out in public and passes as a, as a woman, she's not going to experience homophobia, you know what I mean? Like, in that moment. So there is a, cultural aspect to it. So even if you identify as a woman gender-wise in your brain, whatever that means, right? There has been proof that trans women have, there's a part of their brain that looks that looks more similar to somebody like myself. You're not going to know what it's like to live

and be seen as a woman until you stop looking like a man. Like that's just how it is. You know what I mean? And like, that's unfortunate, but you can't see in somebody's inside somebody's brain. And it's impossible to know how somebody identifies until you ask them. And even then, most of the time people lie because they're ashamed, which is also shit. But yeah, like the taking over female spaces, it's a real thing that's happening. And a lot of people are like, oh, that doesn't even happen that often. I don't care if it happens one time. It's something you need to talk about.

Because if it happens one time and people think it's okay, it's going to happen more and more and more and more. You know, from trans women, you know what? The funny thing is it's not even that many actual trans women. It's most of these very young, very hip-woke queer kids, you know, that are somewhere like in the, we hold them the alphabet people. They're probably not even LGBT. They're like, they're like queer or like non-binary or some other made-up gender. And they're like trans women or women.

If you don't want to suck a dick, you know, you're a transphobic, you're a horrible person, you know. And these are like literally, you can go on Tumblr, you can go on Twitter, you can go on Instagram. this is these are real thing like turf is a slur go on that website turf is a slur.com people like that's a transphphob website I'm like no it's not it's a real thing and people just documenting what people are saying what what you know queer activists are saying to to lesbians it's just now starting to make its way into the gay community but it doesn't happen nearly as often because gay men are men right one thing I've noticed as well is with I've spoken to a few of my friends who are gay and one of the things they've said, and makes them very concerned about some of the stuff around the trans issue,

is that they feel like, because a lot of them were gender non-conforming as children, they may well have ended up being categorized and encouraged into being trans, simply because they were gay kids. Do you think that's a big part of the issue? 100%. I think that there, I think there was an article written, I mentioned it last year in one of my videos that I had with my friend Blake, who is legitimately, in my opinion, a trans guy. He has gender dysphoria. He had top surgery. He's transitioned in every way that he can.

You have a lot of trans friends for a bigot, I have to say. I know. Well, I mean, rational trans people, but, you know, but obviously they're just tokens. And they're the wrong type of trans because they agree with me. But yeah, most of the trans people, if not all of them that I'm friends with are rational. and, you know, very sweet. And they're just like, I want to live my fucking life. Like, it sucks that I had to live this, that I had to experience this.

But now I'm, you know, I'm transitioned in whatever way that I can. And I mean, yeah, my friend, my friend Blake and I did a video last year where we talked about the, I think the increase in the amount of people, the amount of females identifying as trans in some way has, like, quadrupled. over the last few years, especially in the UK, because the UK is even more progressive, progressive, then, because it's not even progressive, in my opinion, but progressive than the states. And it was also, there was also a study,

I want to say it was the HRC human rights campaign, which is based here, I think. It might be worldwide, but I think it's actually based in D.C., where, like every year they, they're mentioning trans and non-binary identities and queer more and more in their like yearly reports. And the word lesbian wasn't even mentioned in the last two years or something. And it makes us, it makes young lesbians that are,

you know, gender non-conforming, which technically all lesbians are gender non-conforming if you really think about it, right? Because we're not conforming to the expectation that we're supposed to date men. So when you go, when you dive into things and, and look at them on a deeper level, you know, it's quite easy to see how a young lesbian or a young gay boy would think that they're trans.

And this is happening more and more. Even on YouTube, there are people that are coming out more and more as detransitioners and realizing that they did not have gender dysphoria. And they just hated their bodies. Maybe they had dysmorphia or maybe they just were going through teenage bullshit. I did that. I hated my body for a long time because I wasn't feminine enough. When that doesn't mean that being trans isn't real.

Like it is clearly a real disorder. Like it's a real thing. whatever you want to call it, a disorder of, you know, a brain-body disconnect or something. It's a real thing. But because the word trans has been watered down to literally mean absolutely nothing but an identity, kids are very vulnerable. Teens are very vulnerable. And most of them just want to fit in.

They're already, you know, some of them are already bullied or just feel ostracized in their community for whatever reason. And they're like, well, everyone else is coming out as trans and they're being accepted and they're being loved and why don't I do that? And it's not the case 100% in time, of course, but it's happening more and more, excuse me, more and more. And there's something to, the reason I talk about it is because it is happening more often than not

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They don't realize the medical implication that this is having on your body. And the fact is that you are going to become a medical patient for the rest of your life if you are a trans person. Right. Which is unfortunate in itself. I wish there was like a cis pill. And trans people will tell you that too. Like a true trans binary trans person, right? Well, we'll tell you, like if there was a cis pill, I would take it tomorrow.

And I can't, of course, I can't imagine what that would feel like. It's completely not even similar to being LGBT at all. Feeling like you're born in the wrong body or feeling like your body is in some way wrong. Yeah, you wouldn't wish it on anyone. I mean, we've had a few trans people on our show talking to them about it. And when they describe it, you know, it's not something you would wish on your worst enemy because it's not a pleasant experience. But let me ask you this, because one of the stats that we came out recently is that

acceptance of sexual minorities and trans people are included in that even though they're not really a sexual minority but anyway has actually gone down quite significantly which is an incredible I mean you'd have to work really hard in the 21st century to get people to be less tolerant I know I know this is what do you put that down to well maybe it's because you know in the UK there are things like people punching, you know, woke people on the woke left are punching 60-year-old women for going into a fucking basement in a library to talk about women's rights.

And there's spray-painting, rape crisis centers saying that only females are, have you not heard of this? No. There's a rape relief center in Vancouver that was spray-painted with turf and bigot And these people... Because they wouldn't accept women with penises.

Well, yeah, because it's probably not the right place for them. You know what I mean? Like, if they were raped, I don't... I don't even know. I mean, there are a lot of trans women that get raped, yes. I don't know if they still belong... Like, to me, if I was... I don't even know.

I've never been raped. But I'm assuming if I had just been raped, I would not want to see somebody with a penis next to me. Personally. And it's not that, again, it's not like, it's not a bigoted thing. It has nothing to do with the person being trans. It has to do with worrying about the person that had just been raped. So if there's a way that they can fix that, you know, that maybe there's a way, but

people have to understand that it's, it's not just like, no, we hate trans people. It's like, no, we care about this female. Right. Who might be triggered by that. hell the friggin trans woman alone is probably triggered by her own penis like most of the time you know what I mean they don't want it there so I think hopefully I like you would think they would understand it a lot of them do that's the thing it's these it's these radical queer extremists that I usually talk about in my videos it's not it's usually not binary you know rational trans people

it's it's these crazy extremists that want to break binaries you know which is funny because that's actually not helping trans people at all because trans people want to go from one to the other, right? They don't want to exist within the binary. They don't want to break it. And a lot of them, I also notice there's a ton of, I have a video about this coming out soon, hopefully, but it's going to take me a little while to do some research, but there's an influx of cis straight white men gamers on YouTube that have been posting like hateful content about me and other like turfs. And it makes me think, you know, like I just, I sit there and I wonder why these people think that they are allowed to speak on issues, again, that don't affect them. If you're a dude

and you look like you and you look like, you know, Francis and you're just walking around and, you know, somebody like me comes into your bathroom, I mean, you're going to be like, okay, like, what the hell you're doing here? But you're not going to feel threatened. You know what I mean? You're not going to get like, you know, it's a very different experience living as a man. Hi guys, and welcome to my bedroom, or as it's otherwise called, Palacio Orgasma. Now, this is a short video on behalf of the Angel Comedy Club. Now, you may not be aware, but there is something on the planet right now called the coronavirus, which is putting a little bit of a spanner into the works of a lot of people,

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to do that. Now, if you can't do that, no worries at all. We completely understand. But hopefully you'll be able to maybe pop down to Angel one day to see a live show from us or a whole host of other fabulous comedians. Stay safe and take care. And Ariel, I really want to sort of explore this. idea of women's safe spaces because I don't think men get it. They just don't they, they go, I can't see what women are complaining about, surely it's fine, I don't, and you use the example you use. But isn't part of it the fact that women on the whole tend to be physically weaker the men, which means that therefore you are more vulnerable. So I always use the example of a nightclub where if a man chats to a woman and a woman feels that she's uncomfortable with the situation,

the one safe space that she has in order to get rid of the dude is to go and walk into the women's toilets he can't follow her she's safe that's very true too yeah yeah and if we remove that all of a sudden that safe space is gone that's true yeah that's that's what it's come to i've been in a nightclub where was i in savannah georgia it was an LGBT nightclub and there was this i mean he was he was good looking but like obviously not my type it's like very handsome tall black seemingly so straight man and he comes up and starts talking to me and I'm like dude, you're at a fucking gay bar. Like, what are you doing?

You know what I mean? Like, people just, they just don't get it sometimes. So it's, just to have somebody that looks, oh, there was a really fun, I'll give you an example. There was a really funny tweet that somebody posted. It's a parody account. And I think it's, somebody was like, how can we, he was responding to somebody.

And the tweet that he was responding to said something like, how can we tell, you know, how can we deal with the trans women? women's bathroom issue. And he got so stupid. And he's like, well, we should just, he was being like a troll, but he was like, I should say she, because they identify as a trans woman, but like have a beard and everything. It's a troll account. I don't even know if the dude is real.

But she responded with, we should have a button, two buttons outside of a women's toilets or any safe space for women. One that says, yes, I'm legitimately a trans woman. and one that says, and then you press that one, you go, and one that says, no, I'm taking advantage of this situation. And it's true. It's like, how could you really know? It's not like, it's not like we're saying,

trans women have no women experience. Some of them do. Some of them legitimately live, their lives as women for a very long time. But what happened, like the whole idea of self-identification is what a lot of women are saying no to. These are people that look like you that can just call themselves women and expect to be treated as such. When it's like you have no idea what it's like, in my opinion. You might like, okay, in your own head, whatever, whatever that means. But if you went into a woman's face and didn't see, to me that you're not a real woman at all.

Like if you, most women, and I might be a nurture versus nature thing, it might be very much a nurture thing. if you are truly a woman like you say you are, and you go into a space and you're not aware of how you're making other people around you feel, you're not a woman because women are taught to be that way, right? Since I was very young as a kid, you are taught to pay attention to how your actions and how your, even how your thoughts can make other people feel. That doesn't mean that men aren't like, you know,

that men also don't go through shit. I'm not saying that. But there are different privileges living as a man and living as a woman, that neither sex will understand until they live is that, you know? No, absolutely, absolutely. There's, you know, we talk about, you know, the different, what it's like to be a woman. There's, so for instance, my girlfriend, I'm a comedian, I help to on a comedy club. And at the end, we're of the show, we were letting people out and somebody felt a bit ill.

So I had to sort of go and help man the door, get people out, bring people in. And my girlfriend came and stood right next to me. And I'm like, do you have to do this now? out? Is this the right moment to do this? And she went, I'm sorry, I've got no choice. There was a dude following me around the bar and he was really freaking me out. Then that's never happened to me as a man. Never. And I doubt it could, but it's unlikely. Yeah, it's unlikely. But that's something that I never have to worry about, that I'm never

concerned about. And I think that's part of the problem is that men see, we see the world through our eyes and somewhere women come out and go, look, there's this issue. We go, well, it's not a problem for me. So why don't you just grow up? Yeah. And then, and then I think, again, with a lot of the people, woke gamer bros you know i think they the funny the funny thing is and why i think this is happening i'm not 100% sure yet there's there's a there's like at least 10 or 15 of them now that are that are just i i think it's you know that they i think they want to seem woke because it's cool to be woke these days which is not actually woke at all in my opinion but i also think that they feel guilty

before being cis straight and white. Like I really do. I really do. And man, it's a weird thing. It's, you know, it's like the only way to please the far left if you are a cis straight white male is to be like, I know that I'm privileged. I know that I'm this. I know that I'm this. And everybody else is a turf and everybody's transphobic and everyone's race.

It's like, and that's what these guys are doing, like every single one of them. So it just makes me question, is this what they're. really believe or are they guilt like are they do they feel guilty for being privileged or do they just want a left-wing audience for whatever reason because most of the shit that they say isn't woke like in any sense of the word um because first of all they're speaking over trans people and they're speaking over female so as a man well if these guys are watching i'd just like to say guys stop it. Just enjoy your privilege as a straight white man. It's not going to last for very much longer. Just enjoy it. I feel guilty about it. Just be the straight white man. They shouldn't, yeah,

you shouldn't feel guilty about how you live through the world. What you should do is be aware of how others have to go through it. Yeah. Right. There's a big difference. But talk to me about the YouTube thing, because you said you had to make changes. What does that mean exactly? You had to make changes in order to get your channel remonitized? What did that look like? I had to just change the wording in some of the videos, like the titles and the thumbnails of the more controversial topics. I don't know if that's actually what helped me.

Like, they don't tell you why the channel is demonetized. They just tell you, it's, they just say, you know, it's very vague. I don't know how to actually say what they said because I don't remember. But it's not like this video, it has this wrong. with it. Like, they don't have time to do that. They're just like, okay, this channel's annoying me. Somebody complained about it probably. I don't know how it works. And they're like, fix some shit and then we'll get back to you. It's really like what it comes down to. So I just, I think it was like 15, 20 videos. Some of them I privated or deleted. Some of them, some of them were just like

sexually explicit, but like not even because they're sexual education. And I, again, I've been posting that kind of content for 10 years. So why now, all of a sudden, is there's something wrong with it, you know? So I don't know if it's actually YouTube that had an issue with it, or if it was just a whole bunch of people, you know, spamming my channel at once that had a problem. Like, I really, there's no way for me to know. I just know that I had to, even my network,

they were like, well, we'll give you some tips and, you know. I guess what I'm getting that is, do you think that if you were making content about, you know, I'm a, you know, trans woman with a penis, here's the best way to suck my dick. Do you think that would be... Can I just say we're going to clip that and I'm going to make that go viral?

Could you... Yeah, just me saying that. Exactly. That's exactly what I am. I'm finally coming out as my true self, Francis. And do you know what we could do? We could put a little beat behind it and turn it into one of those little dance anthems.

Exactly. That would be brilliant. But do you think... I guess what I'm on a serious point is what I'm getting that is if you were making content that was very woke and progressive and you were, you know, coming at it from that angle and it was sexual in nature. Some of your videos definitely have been always from way back when. From 10 years ago, yeah.

Yeah. Do you think that you would have had the same experience? There's no way for me to tell, like for sure. I will say that since I started becoming less of a progressive, I stopped being invited to YouTube events. We've never been invited to YouTube. I will say, yeah. I will say that.

But I also know that the two people that are like really cool with YouTube that are part of the LGBT community hate me. That are like, you know, involved in the YouTube side of LGBT community. Like they actually have like a connection with YouTube or a contact the YouTube. One of them deals with the LGBT part of VidCon and they despise me. So I wouldn't be, I wasn't surprised that I like wasn't invited to VidCon, even though I didn't want to go back anyway. Because it was always during pride. So that just kind of would suck if I couldn't go to my own pride parade. But also just because VidCon itself had become super, super, super progressively woke.

You know, and you can't, like, it's literally the, like VidCon is the epitome of progressive YouTube. Progressives on YouTube, at least when I went in 2016, I think, was the year I went. I think it was 2016. And it's unfortunate because they're not allowing, the weird part of it is they're not allowing people that identify, that are women that identify as women that present as women that are female to speak about their issues. You know, it's only about the cue and the T at the moment,

which, you know, on the more serious topics anyway. Of course, they'll have coming out panels and stuff like that, like great. But yeah, I think there are more serious issues that need to be addressed and people like, you know, Rose of Dawn and Blair White and Sophia, there's a bunch of trans women that navigate those issues very well, in my opinion. And I take note of that. And I'm like, I respect them 10 times more as women because they are, again, so aware of how their lives affect other women. That's a woman. And it's true when you think about it, right? Yeah. The one thing that I really wanted to talk to you about, Ariel, was I see your journey and my journey is being similar because I'm, traditionally, I would have seen myself always as being on the left. I'm a former school teacher.

Works in 12 years, you know, underprivileged kids. You would go, yeah, that's somebody on the left. But more and more, I've just seen my own side go, what I call Tonto. And I think I've never, I can't, I can't be part of that. What was a moment for you where you thought, you know what, I'm done, I can't be part of this anymore? Was there a specific moment or was it a gradual process? It was a gradual, like online, it was gradual. I just started disagreeing more and more with people and realized how crazy, in my opinion, how irrational their views were.

But what really solidified it for me was, and I said this in other interviews, I was going to Vegas to meet two internet friends of mine, Tara Babcock, who her name sounds like a porn star, but she's not. And my friend Paige, who actually was a porn star, And we were going to film, you know, sex positive videos and stuff like that. And Paige started her own porn company. And Tara is just an awesome YouTuber. And I had never met either.

And Tara and I had just become friends. So she didn't really like know much about me. And then when we finally met in person, she was like, oh, I saw, you know, I'm so glad that you're really chill and that you're, you know, super open-minded. Because when I saw your Twitter profile, it said like women empowerment and it had a little gay rainbow flag. And I thought you were one of those crazy people. I was like, okay, like I can't even have a fucking rainbow flag in my bio anymore because people

associate that with crazies. Like, people need to know that I am not one of those people. Right. Because I don't, yeah, I refuse to be people that, that are anti-science and anti-logic. And it just makes us all, it just makes us all look like lunatics. And I think that's the truth of why, you know, the rate of LGBT acceptance is down. not actual lesbians and gays and bisexuals. It's the queer, the radical queer and trans activists. Again, not even binary trans people usually because they're usually really cool,

like Blair. It's everybody kind of in the middle, you know, and especially young kids because they have the most time on their hands. They're the loudest, and they're also the, they haven't had the experience yet, so they think they fucking know everything. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But, um, that arrogance of youth. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's the way, yeah, they're very arrogant in their, in their youth. Yeah. and Ariel do you think that there's a danger like because the reality is most people are saying reasonable rational you sit down you talk with them you go okay I can see we disagree but I get where you're coming from I don't believe that I understand your reasons for believing it are we now in this world where we get these very very small minority of people who are incredibly loud and we believe that is the argument when actually it isn't they're just a couple of nutters on Twitter who because they're so low loud, they're so angry, they're so polarizing, they get these huge numbers following them. So we think that they're actually the important ones. And they're not. They're just nutters.

Yes, but yes, I agree with you. But that doesn't mean that just because they're a very small minority, a very loud small minority, doesn't mean that they're actually not making waves. Like they are, you know, which is why, otherwise I'd just be like, okay, they're just like shouting out into the fucking void. But situations like with Sidney Marty Raw, I was invited. out there to speak and these the crazies on Twitter, you know, made a petition about me, a thousand people signed it. Meanwhile, none of these people actually came to the event. Of course not. They're not going to come to the event. And they made it out to see to be, for me to be, they made it out as if I was this terrible person and just my existence being in Australia

was triggering for them. It's like, and but they, but they got Sydney Mardi Gras to take our event off of their website. Because the truth is. is as small as a minority that they are, those are the types of people that will show up and throw bricks at your windows. And Sydney Margaret doesn't want to deal with that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Gay Pride Parade doesn't want to deal with that. So they just cave. They cave to the crazies. And the sad thing is I get messages every single day and even most LGBT people that are creators, either writers, you know, bloggers, Instagrams, whatever, YouTubers. We, I would say 99% of us,

well, maybe not 99% of us, 95% of us agree with everything that I say and are just terrified to talk about it. They won't because they're afraid to lose brand deals. They're afraid to, you know, upset a younger, you know, section of their audience, but I'm not afraid of that. Like, there's a lot of young kids that still follow me, but those are also the people that hate me the most. and I think it would be mental

for me to continue to try to win over people that already hate me. It's just not good for my mental health and my well-being. So I want to stand by my morals and I wanted to gain a different audience of people that are rational and level-headed and can have an actual conversation and not just scream turf into the, you know,

scream turf at me on Twitter and then call me all these names but actually having a solid argument And how is that? Because it must be really, really tough. Because, you know, to come out, automatically you're saying, I'm different to the vast majority of people, right? So that automatically makes you an outsider. That's what I imagine is one of the tough things about being gay, LGBT, all the rest of it. You're now, within your own community, you have now become an outsider within that. Yes. So you have now effectively isolating yourself,

from the people that you should be affiliating with. That must be really tough, isn't it? It's not tough on my ego, because I know my own worth, but it's tough on my brand. But it is, it's doing better now. Like, the people that are watching my content now are like, I don't see it.

Like, the comments that I get are like, why does everybody hate this girl? Like, she's literally saying nothing wrong. And I'm like, thank God because, like, I knew that, but, like, you see same comments for five, six years from 2014, you know, since I started posting more T and Q content, you know, all the negative comments, they didn't get to me as much as people would assume because I do have a very strong sense of self, but it made me question myself

and question my, not question my self-worth, but question my ability to communicate properly. Because I'm like, was I saying the wrong thing? And it's like, no, these people just aren't understanding what I'm saying. I've said it a hundred different ways. And they just don't want to hear it. And that's on, you know, at that point, I'm like, it's on them. And I'm just not even going to try to change my wording anymore. Like, I've changed so much the way, I've changed so much of the way that I say things over the years for the better. I do think that a lot of things that I used to say back then weren't perfectly worded. Um, so I have learned a lot from that community. But at this point, you know, when, when the word woman is meaningless, I, I can't.

get behind that. No. So talking about changing the words that you use, do you feel having had this demonetization episode where essentially you're told there's something wrong with your channel, you're not told what it is, you have to make changes as best you can to try and understand what it was that got you demonetized in the first place? Are you now kind of having to self-sense yourself going forward? Because just for people who don't know you, you know, your channel has over 600,000 subscribers. So your advertising revenue from that would be quite significant. So to lose that, but it's not. Yeah. But still, I mean, I imagine, I just basing it off on us and, you know, having 100,000 subscribers, you know, you can make a living with, I imagine,

you know, having 600,000 subscribers. So you're essentially having that threatened over the fact that you've started to talk about a particular issue. Are you now feeling like you have to censor yourself going forward in order to protect your livelihood? I do, but I won't. I'm going to stand by my morals. I've always been that kind of person. Maybe it's because I'm a New Yorker.

But it hit me, that's the first time my channel's ever been hit like that. I don't even think I had any, like, strikes on my channel, You know what I mean? So it, and it was just funny that it all happened a month after I came out with that video. So it does make me question things. But even so, it's like, I'm not even far right. I'm just not super progressive left anymore. And I still support the majority of left.

Like 50%. Like, again, I think I'm like a libertarian is what people call, which is what the old left is. So I've always been left. It's just the left have moved even further. So I don't know what, I don't. I don't know. Part of me just thinks that YouTube found like an easy way to target me, maybe. But at the same time, the more I talk about things that I actually believe in, and I've always did that, but controversial things that I believe in will say that, because I never really touched on controversial topics like this. The more I'm getting support monetarily from individual viewers, which,

ideally and hopefully would level out the ad sense because I don't make much money on ad sense anyway because most of my videos are controversial and sexually explicit not even sexually explicit but sexual topics so I don't really get ads on those videos anyway but on the topics that I don't talk about either of those things I'm missing a few hundred bucks a month so it did suck you know and Ariel what why do you think it is that we seem to expect people who are in the LGBT community or an ethnic minority to somehow be left. And if they espouse views

or say things that are not on the left, we see it as being problematic and want to expel them. Why is it? I think it's just the group thinking, hive mind mentality. I think that we assume, well not we,

but people on the left assume that anyone that doesn't think like them is either stupid or a grifter. which I hate that word because everyone's calling me that now. And it's like, I wish I was because the far, far, far right channels have not even looked at me yet. Well, welcome to the club.

Wait until that happens because then they start attacking you as well. We've had that. Right. We are left-wing grifters on Monday and right-wing grifters on Tuesday and then back to being far left on Wednesday. That's just the turf that you're on now. Yeah, exactly. I did an interview with one of my,

new friends, David, who is a Trump supporter, more conservative. I don't even know if he considers himself a Republican, but he made, and even if I disagree with its politics, it has nothing to do with that. The point of the video was, stop bullying gay Trump supporters, stop bullying people that disagree with you, actually have a sit-down conversation with them, see where they're coming from, and you'll realize they're not all terrible people. And one of the things he said in the video was brilliant. And he said, the left, the progressive left, focuses so much on diversity.

diversity of gender, sexual orientation, skin color, age, whatever. And he's like, but they all think the same. What about, why not diversity of thought? Like, why do we all have to think the same? And I was like, fuck, like, smart dude. I was like, I didn't even think of that. Like, I obviously thought of it, but the way he worded it was perfectly. Yeah, diversity of thought is what the left, unfortunately, is, well, what the LGBT community is lacking.

you know but it's not just the LGBT community it's every any minority any minority yeah but it's like we are both comedians in the comedy industry it's the same you know people are progressed and promoted and pushed for who they are instead of what they think or what their comedy is you know yeah so i think it kind of happens everywhere do you think there's a space to be carved out in the middle because i'm very much kind of in the center politically francis is a kind of rejected lefty you kind of are starting to realize that you are as well. And the question that people always in me, and like, I get asked like why I'm conservative the whole time. And I keep having to say that I'm not actually conservative. Like I did an interview with somebody that a few weeks ago. And that was their

opening question. And people assume all the time that if you're not far left. If you're not far left, you're on the other side. You're on the other side. Do you think there's a space to be just carved out somewhere in the middle for like sensible people who, you know, they have their own views on things, but they still don't reject science completely and they don't go down the crazy rabbit holes of the far right or the far left. This episode is brought to you by Netflix's remarkably bright creatures. What if a Pacific octopus held the key to a mystery

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just anybody in the LGBT community that isn't left, that isn't super left, they don't even have to be conservative because neither of them are like truly conservative. It's carving out space for the rest of us to be like, wait, I cannot be like super wokey and progressivey and lefty and believe in 87 genders. I think just speaking about it helps. And I think more people, I've gotten more comments and more likes on my videos than ever before.

So I think people were afraid to talk about it until somebody else started talking about it, which was the same for me. Until people like Blair and Dave Rubin and, you know, even Buck Angel, who's not conservative. He's a lefty, but he's very aware of science. he's a trans guy, you know, past one of the first transsexual porn stars. And he's just a sweetheart, all for female spaces, you know,

because, you know, even trans men that are female experience, different things to cis men, you know. But he's just awesome. And luckily, the rise in popularity of those people gave way for people like myself to speak more openly about what they believe, you know. And when do you think, because you look at a lot of the media, And I can only really speak about the media in the UK, which is very, very left-dominated. It's very, very progressive, the liberal arts, very, very progressive as well.

When do you think our type of voices are going to become more acceptable in the mainstream? Do you think that's going to happen sooner rather than later? Do you just see this situation getting worse, which is what I think is going to happen, sadly? You're just a depressive, man. Yeah, I know, I know. I think either way, it's job security for us because we have more to talk about it. So I don't know. I think, I mean, I hope that people start to come to their senses more and stop denying science.

And I think people are getting fed up with the crazy far left, which is why the rate of acceptance is down for us. So I think people are realizing that they need to be more vocal. And it's happening just at a very slow rate because people are still very scared. They're still really afraid. And why do you think they're afraid? Is it because, you know, people stand a very real chance of losing livelihoods, jobs? Absolutely. Oh, absolutely.

They've told me. And there's also articles written about it. Because you have to remember, a lot of LGBT people already work in the arts field, arts and humanities fields that tend to be more progressive. You know what I mean? Like, how many gay men accountants do you know? Like, obviously there's a lot. But in general, like, I used to work in advertising. Like half of the company was LGBT.

I don't know why we fluctuate that way. We just, we flock to it. I mean, we just do. Maybe because it's good to express ourselves or who the hell knows. But LGBT people tend to gravitate more towards the arts. Yeah, creative fields of various kinds. Yeah. And that's where, unfortunately, not unfortunately,

that's where the most progressive minds tend to be. So when you're more, you know, center or right, it's, I would imagine it's super difficult to come out. Like my, the kid David, he's like, I've had nothing. He's like,

I came out as conservative and I got nothing but hate from the left and nothing but love from the right. He's like, they don't care, I'm gay. They do not care if I'm gay. They don't care if I want to get married. They just,

they, it's like, for them, it's more, I think more people now a conservative economically, more than conservative socially. And I think people get that mixed up as well.

Yeah, there is a big difference. It's interesting because, it depends what you mean by it. For example, in the UK, a lot of people are actually being revealed as socially conservative, but our conversation is very different to yours. So acceptance of, you know, gay people is completely universal, I would say. But when we talk about something like immigration,

that, you know, reluctance or resistance to mass immigration would be a conservative issue that a lot of people hold. But disagree, right? Yeah. Yeah, but disagree on. But anyway, look, thanks very much for coming on. it's good to know your channel has been remonitized. I have a sneaky suspicion that you're going to end up back in that position at some point

if you continue. But then that's all of us right now, isn't it? With the way that things are going. The last question we always ask, Ariel, is what's the one thing that no one is talking about that we should be talking about as a society? I think I'm going to stick it with the lesbian issues. I think more people need to listen to issues that affect females and stop trying to be super woke about gender politics at the moment and I actually

listen to why a lot of females are rejecting it. I wish more people would talk about that. That's never going to catch on. Certainly not in Russia, mate. I'm from Russia. So yeah, not where I'm from for sure. But we'll see if we can make it catch on here in the West. Ariel, Scassela, thank you so much. If people want to follow your work, where do they go for that? They could just search my name on any of the platforms and I'll come up. Perfect. All right, well, thanks for coming on. Thank you so much. We'll take care. We'll see you again.