TRIGGERnometry - Trump is the Most Corrupt President in History - Ann Coulter

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

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I think this is the most corrupt presidency in U.S. history with the money they are rigging in with the NFTs and the meme coin. I mean, it's so blatant. It's right in front of our eyes. I don't care about anything but saving the gondry. He came in on the promise of ending the conflict in Ukraine. In one day. In one day. Likewise with Israel and Gaza, that hasn't been settled yet. Why do you think that is?

You may not have noticed this. Trump is an exaggerator. Yeah. Yeah. I have. I've got glimpses of that. It is historically part of Russia. I am not defending him.

He invaded the country. Not all of Ukraine is historically part of Russia, but fine. I'm from Russia, so. You said you wouldn't vote for him because he's India. Yeah. For president. Why is my country the only country that is supposed to have, oh, no, anybody can run our country. He didn't had an Indian prime minister.

Yeah, I don't think it went that well. It didn't go well, but it wasn't because he was Indian. Relax, relax, this is not an ad. I just wanted to let you know that you can watch this video without any advertising at all. No interruptions, no pop-ups, nothing. Just go to Triggerpod.com.uk. Or click the link below and join thousands of our supporters who watch all our interviews with exclusive bonus content ad-free.

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You're on a little tour of the UK, so we thought we'd get you in and see what you make of it. How do you feel? What have you made of it so far? Well, I'm technically just on vacation because I love London. Amazing city. It's so fabulous, especially coming from New York. And then just dropped in on some of my. right-wing friends like you.

Well, we identify as politically non-binary. Okay, that, just so you know, that's right-wing. It is now. That's what everyone thinks. In America, that's right-wing. Well, America is very binary. You're like either this or you're that. Well, Twitter.

Look at Twitter. Elon just says, I'm not going to censor anybody. Right-wing, not Nazi. In the UK, we have more of a spectrum, is what I'm saying. People like us exist here. You have a lot of conservative media. It's stunning to me. Like what?

The spectator, the telegraph. The sun. The sun. The mail, the express. Yes, thank you. The express is not right wing. The express is... Wait, sorry, I've confused them with Del Ameri.

Fair. And a lot of the podcast, it seems to me. Maybe it's just the ones I listen to and I know. Yeah. The only TV show, I've always, when I've been in London before, sometimes I've watched the TV just to. see, to prove to myself once again that British people are incapable of boredom. Oh my gosh, it's like watching paint dry.

But not ITV. That's actually, so yeah, okay, you have BBC, but it's like, you know, about a sheep or something. You're watching a TV show about a sheep? Well, I'm making that up. It was probably more boring than that, to be honest. But ITV, you kind of actually get some news. So I would consider that the only news station. So what have you made of your time in the UK?

I've been here for a couple of weeks. You're leaving tomorrow. What do you think about that? It's so fabulous. I can't wait to come back. I love London so much. It's beautiful. And on the drive up here, which is, I think, in Scotland.

Yeah, we're in Scotland, everyone. I went through a few, probably what you guys, and compared to the areas where I've been, seemed a little bit sketchy, i.e., people obviously on drugs, weird outfits, a lot of tattoos, a little more garbage. And still, in the midst of the sketchy areas, you know, just a beautiful old pub and the flowers in the window boxes and beautiful streets.

Even your sketchy areas are beautiful. Well, it's kind of like New York, right? Where you live, you've got, you know, the people, like every time we go to New York, there's someone lying face down on the pavement or... Oh, no, I think we are so much worse. Really? Oh, New Yorkers, this is heaven. Oh, my gosh, you are so much better off.

I mean, being able to walk around at night, sometimes I don't have far to go, and I'll walk home from dinner. Well, under Giuliani and Bloomberg, Republican mayors dominated New York for 20 years, and it was so safe. It was paradise. I do normally, I used to think New York

is the greatest city in the world, but it has just gone so much to hell right now, homeless people. I mean, you know, I met a, I'm going to talk to a lot of British people, but a friend of my friend is like the queen of Irmaise and has a million Irmaids boxes or bags and the Birkins and everything else. And they were both telling me, and I don't know, maybe you'll tell me this is exaggerated, that she absolutely cannot carry them in London because they get stolen by the moped guys.

I was warned before coming here and by everyone I've run into since being here that I can't wear a watch, which is really annoying. And I told her she ought to come to New York and she can totally walk around with a Birken bag in New York. She might get raped on the subway. She could be pushed in front of a subway. But she could still wear the bag, though. She could be knocked out. But our criminals just want to do like random heinous violence.

They have no plan. Let's get that. Let's get that Rolex. Well, so just to fill that out with detail a little, but you can wear a watch, just not the ones that you have on. Yeah. You can wear a 20-pound watch. You'll be fine. Will they be able to distinguish? Usually, yeah.

Well, the guys who rob watches know what they're looking for. Excellent. And that genuinely is true in that people are like, people don't wear nice watches around London. Right. Well, I've been counting on that with my 10-year-old iPhone because that's the other thing they say, you know, don't be a dork tourist while you're running,

and they'll snatch it. And I'm hoping they'll look over. We don't even want that one. But, and your career, has been very interesting because you've been very, very pro-Trump, 2016. Then you were one of the first people to come out against Trump because you feel he betrayed the MAGA agenda. How do you feel about Trump now?

I'm finally getting the Trump I voted for. What does that mean? I can't believe it. It took him eight years to actually do this stuff. I mean, in my defense and to attack everyone, which you aren't asking, but when I have Americans maga base, the cultists come up to me and say, oh, why have you turned against Trump? I mean, they're just utterly unprincipled.

So, okay, they're okay with the policies of Jeb Bush. I think they'd be fine with the policies of Hillary, as long as it's the host of the apprentice. So if you're someone who didn't vote for Trump because of his personality, but voted for him despite his personality, which is me and all of my friends, no, he didn't, he governed like a standard Republican, cut taxes and screw the working class. And so how is this incarnation of Trump different from the previous one?

Many, many ways. Most important thing, 100% immigration, immigration, immigration. He did immediately do the executive orders on immigration that he promised. He would do the first time on anchor babies. Precant Mexican runs across the border, drops a baby. Oh, the baby's an American citizen, which isn't the law. It's not a court ruling. It's just been the practice.

It's stupid. He can end it with an executive order. for four years he never did that first term he did that like day one he's done a lot of stuff sending out the ice agents putting the right people in charge of ice like this guy tom homan who's just such a hard ass he finally put stephen miller originally his only policy advisor who is rock solid on immigration he's been in charge of the immigration policies now and in this the big beautiful bill i don't know if you heard about it but the reason um trump was in on a big, beautiful bill is you basically get one shot as president to get Congress.

I mean, the Democrats are doing so badly. Maybe this will prove not to be true. But historically, the president's party loses seats in the midterm. So you kind of have to anticipate that and get everything you need done in the first two years. So he wanted to, you know, dump everything in the big, beautiful bill. And when I was reading, you know, the full analysis in the New York Times, they're starting with all the other provisions. And on that, you know, Elon and Trump had a little tiff. And I'm totally with Elon. These idiot Republicans will not cut spending.

They won't, they won't, they won't. And I'm just enraged that they won't cut spending. And it's all utterly useless stuff. It's the government trying to figure out how to get and to pay more and make my life worse. So I'm going through section by section. And the last section they describe is immigration. billions of dollars for ice, billions of dollars to finally build the wall. And I thought, okay, I'm for it.

Love it now. And why is it that nobody can cut spending? Because the people who benefit from the spending, I mean, you're taxing. I worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, and it was a very junior senator, so we all had to do all kinds of work. So at first, even I had to meet with constituents. they noticed that the senator's ratings would plummet every time I did. So got off that task. But I really, I was at the point where I was going to leap across the table and spray them with Mace

because they all have the same argument for their dumbass program, which is this costs every American less than the cost of a postage stamp. Well, yeah, there are a lot of Americans. And you're all saying that. And the only programs that are more than that are the medical stuff, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the Ponzi scheme retirement program. So we can't touch those. And then there are a million other programs that, yeah, it costs each American that cost

imposes. But only adults pay taxes and only half of adults pay taxes, so it's a little more than imposter's stamp. In any event, everyone who benefits from one of these stupid programs, it's their world. It is everything. They are single-issue voters, are already. you going to keep my stupid program for my stupid job going, whereas how are you going to gin up, you know, the American people, we're going to cut this small program you've never heard of,

or maybe a big program you've never heard of. There was one, I'll just use this as an example, because I'll never forget it. So when Reagan was president, we were winning the Cold War, and part of that was, you know, military buildup, military buildup. So there are a lot of new military bases around the country, and obviously members of the military have children. So they had to set up schools on the military bases. So they were federal grammar schools. And it's a dumb name for it, but it was called Impact A. Okay, so we win the Cold War, yay. And a lot of the, we saved so much money. We get to cut way back on defense. The military bases are gone. They've gone off to get other jobs. military bases are empty, the schools are still getting money.

And I'd like to get the people whose entire salary was working for impact aid, i.e., schools throughout the nation, where there are no students. And their argument, it costs every American less than the cost of a cost of a loan to say. You know, so, but to me, the issue of spending is actually existential for America. Yes. For our country as well. Yeah. We're broke. We are broke and I don't think people realize that, all the long-term

implications of that. So when Elon had his meltdown and the way that he did it, in the words of Chris Rock, I don't agree, but I understand. I agree. I agree and I understand personally. He's right on the issue, right? But

I also think you're right in the sense that this is why I asked you why it's happening because you gave a very American article because you're talking about America. That's fair enough. But actually, this is a problem across the entire Western world. And part of it, I think, is what you said, which is just people really, they're so used to having everything paid for by the government.

They only really care about, are you going to take care of this thing that I care about? Yes. And if you don't, I'm never voting for you. Well, if no one ever wants to sacrifice a little bit to reduce overall spending, then it's debt and deficit all the way down. Yes. That's why Doge was so great. I mean, they were going in, cutting stuff.

I can't believe that we were paying. I mean, it was basically just billions upon billions of dollars funding the left. It was stunning. And I don't know why Congress just couldn't, I don't know how much of this they did, but just enact all of the doge cuts because it's really, that was the Elon system.

It was really all just recommendations. And the same thing with Trump's executive war is, you need Congress to pass a law and put it in to make it a law. Yeah. So what did you make of that falling out between Elon? Because we had a lot of these conversations immediately after the election,

and actually just before as well, about the tech right and the MAGA right, with very different groupings. And that kind of fissure was almost inevitable, many people felt. How did you see it? Other people predicted it. I didn't because Trump sucks up to rich people. And he was very gentle with Elon.

I mean, everybody else, you know, sloppy Steve or Steve Bannon. And I forget what vicious attacks he had on Corey Lewandowski, just endless attacks on Jeff Sessions, his first attorney general. He's really, really nasty when someone has a crossword about him. Very solid ego. And so he was pretty gentle on Elon. And I think he, I mean, Elon was right. And I knew if he ever went to Washington. No one can work in Washington and not realize you could cut 90% of it. And most Americans, wouldn't notice except their taxes would go down. You could so easily, just so much make work, BS. And coming, when I went for the Senate Judiciary Committee, I'd been coming from a law firm in New York

where I don't know if they do this here, but we have billable hours where you actually so horrifying. You actually have to account for your day, how much time you spent on each case. So no chit-chatting around the water cooler. Then you're staying an extra hour that day. And the difference in, you know, the intense work and being aware of how much you're working at a law firm versus government work, where 90% of the day is watching TV and chit-chatting around the water cooler. So, you know, start with cutting all that. So I figured someone as incredibly efficient and high IQ and productive as Elon and all the people who work from would get to Washington and their heads would explode.

So I'm not surprised his head exploded. And I agreed with him. But, I mean, you can't. can't blame Trump alone. It's the members of Congress. They have to get reelected and they have people in their districts who are still making their entire salary from impact aid. And that's a worrying thing, though, because like I said before, this is existential. If you don't deal with it, which no president has wanted to do for a very, very long time, what's going to happen is we're going to go bankrupt. Yes. Yes. And I think in a way we're a little

worse off than you are because, There's so much cockiness in the U.S. about, well, we're the world's reserve currency. Okay. But still, you know, most of the money we're collecting in taxes is going to pay interest on the debt. Fantastic. What a deal. I mean, I think Doge is the model for how to do it. And you need someone, I don't know, with a personality like Trump, maybe JD, when he's president.

It needs to be a big national movement. That's what Reagan did to cut taxes, which I was mad that Trump never did for the wall and immigration stuff. Reagan got a Democratic Congress to cut taxes. That's only half of it. Everybody likes that. You got to cut the spending. But he did it by giving a fireside address from the Oval Office. He had won in a landslide.

Speak to the people who voted for him. They agree with him. But you can't just count on each senator. or congressman to be brave and vote against people in his district. It has to be a big national movement. Everybody's got to cut back. This is what's going to happen if we don't. And I think if you made it a national cause that you're cutting out,

you're cutting everything, you're cutting everything. Because otherwise, a cut is a reduction in the rate of growth. That's what they call a cut in Washington. and it's just never going to get done. And it's so interesting to see because it's become quite apparent to me that he isn't going to do that. But also

his tenure is looking to start, to starting to look a little bit more wobbly, particularly with the Epstein thing. So let's talk about... I don't know what that noise was because someone's excited. So

what is going on with the Epstein thing? does it have long-term implications for the Trump presidency? And where are the MAGA base on that at the moment? Most of the MAGA base, God bless them, even the cultists they want. And Sorriton, Trump, Sir Lynch. Who are the cultists? What are you talking about? The ones who didn't care that he didn't build the wall.

So you think there's a big portion of Trump's following that the team as a cult leader, basically? Shockingly, I did not think this when I wrote in Trump We Trust. I have a section on how, well, nobody likes the guy for his personality. Of course, they're voting for his policies. It was a basket of policies I've been waiting my whole life for Republican to run on. I'm totally for the tariffs. Bring manufacturing back to the U.S. one way. Both Republicans and Democrats have screwed over the working and the middle class.

No more stupid wars and build the wall to port illegals. And we couldn't get that. We couldn't get any of that from any Republican. So it was 100% the issues for me. But, I mean, since then, I've noticed that, yeah, there are some people. It's enough that he, and okay, I'm sympathetic to this, but it's enough that he really, really annoys the left. And I like that. Don't get me wrong.

They've lost their minds. But anyway, what was I saying about the Trump cultist? Yeah, sorry, I interrupted you. I'm just, you've used that term twice now. And I'm just trying to understand who you're talking about, basically, when you... Certainly, my friends and I, and I would think most Americans would know what that means. It's not like something... I'm just saying that is not peculiar to me.

There is... And actually, the left depends on it, that, oh, Trump could do anything. You could do anything. They'll support him doing anything. Well, the first... And that's heavily been true. The first time... Actually, two times recently, the MAGA base has at least for a while...

from the Orange Man. One was the strike on Iran. A lot of the Maga Bay opposed it. Now, the cultists very quickly came up with an excuse to support it and put a pin in that attack. And the other one is the Epstein stuff. And again, some of the cultists are coming up with an excuse. The thing I'd say about the Maga base opposing the Iran attack, and I was one of them, it actually ended up not being so bad. And I think part of the reason I loved Trump's speech after he said, it's over, we have peace with Iran now, we're done, we just wanted to destroy the nuclear facilities, can't run the experiment twice. But I think if he hadn't gotten the pushback from the Maga base, we might have troops and ships over there right now. And it might not, yes. Well, that's the way it's

always gone. Not under Trump. He's never put troops anywhere. When he destroyed ISIS, he just bombed them and left it there, right? Yes. So I think that's the difference. But we do have troops all over the... But not because of Trump, right? No, but he hasn't pulled them back. He didn't end Afghanistan.

I mean, I hate to say it, sorry, Biden's the one who ended Afghanistan. And on the Epstein thing, the excuse they're using is even crazier, the ones who sit at first, Magibati, and this is not all of them, but some of the sort of prominent one who want Trump to go there. Who are you talking about? Not naming names. Why not? That's a good point.

Okay, Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon. Okay. What have they done? How did they come up with BS excuses after saying one thing and then Trump totally blows them off? And oh, well, it's okay. So the Epstein excuse is Wall Street Journal had that absolutely repellent and completely believable page that Donald Trump wrote for Epstein's birthday book. And for those of you who are not familiar with it.

So it's a drawing of a naked woman. It has this, you know, just sort of sleazy, you know, happy birthday and may every day be filled with secrets. And then he signs his name where the naked woman's pubicare would be. So one thing, I mean, this is not exactly out of character. You guys didn't know he was an utter vulgarian. This, you're just finding it out. He used to hang around with Jeffrey Epstein, dumped him long before, I think, the pedophilia stuff started.

But he gave that, I mean, there was the Access Hollywood tape. He said it, you know, he said it. A quote to the New Yorker on Jeffrey Epstein. And look, let me just say, I still wrote and stood by the book in Trump We Trust. I care about policy. But just imagine, and I'm not being approved, imagine your father's doing anything. of this, saying any of this. It wasn't. He isn't admitting

to sexual assault because he said, if they let you. But the quote in the New Yorker on Epstein was, some say he loves beautiful women as much as I do, except a little on the younger side.

Okay, the guy's a total, the guy, Epstein, total pervert, and you're giving a quote like that and joshing about on the younger side. So, put that, in a box, utter complete vulgarian, not at all surprised by the sketch. Trump as usual.

It's so, oh my gosh, she's an idiot. Okay, say you're accused of raping a woman in Cleveland. What do you say? It was consensual. What does Trump say? I've never been in Cleveland. Well, okay, now all we need is evidence that you've been in Cleveland. So what is his excuse on the birthday book thing, which I think, I mean, he could have said, oh, I had an assistant write it.

Jelaine McCoyne, McKeownspirder with Epstein. She wrote it for us. Nobody was ever supposed to see it. She told me to do it this way. That I would believe. But no, he says, I never do drawings. And then the next day, they produce like a million drawings by him. They've been sold at auction.

And by the way, they were pretty good. He's actually very talented. Really? Yeah. Yeah. See, this is, if Trump is watching, this is the bit where he's back in love with that. Oh, she said, I'm going to get, I'm going to draw. Yeah. So, so why do you think that there's been, we've had people on to talk about this a little bit. Why do you think these documents are not being released? Why do you think the investigation isn't fully transparent?

I think it's, it's 100% Trump. It's obviously not head of the FBI and his assistant. It's not Cash Patel. It's not Dan Bond. And it's probably not the Attorney General, whatever her name is Bonding. Pam Bonding. Yeah. But maybe she shouldn't have been bragging about it quite. So maybe they should have had that chit-chat before she went on TV and said, I got the files right on on my desk.

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Maybe not the ones with podcasts. I'm jinned up about it. Let me say, I don't think Trump had sex with underage girls. I also don't think he had sex with that porn star, and I don't think he assaulted that woman in Bergdorf-Gudman. I think those are preposterous claims. Not that I'm saying he's above-board, total gentleman. Don't not going that far.

I think his donors. I mean, it clearly was. There was, I think I may write about this is my column this week. Oh, by the way, you can read my column, see my video, sub-tag, on my substack. Unsafe, Anncultor. Dot substack.com.

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This is about the Epstein thing. There was an article in the New York Times, or columnist, in the New York Times, I don't know, this weekend, by their in-house conservative, reminding me why I never read him. But the headline was about conspiracy theories. And I have a minor interest in conspiracy theories. I usually hate, hate, hate them because what liberals do, they're doing right in front of us. They're hiding nothing. There's no man behind the curtain. But of course, there are a lot of true things that are dismissed as conspiracy theories.

There are conspiracies. Sometimes it's not a theory. But anyway, his article was on conspiracy theories, and he gets the Epstein thing. Oh, it's Ross Douthit. I don't even know how to pronounce his name, Big Papist. And it is perhaps the dumbest column I've ever read. So he does this thing, which a lot of pundits do. New York, I don't know if they do it here, but they're going to be.

you know, the reasonable middle ground, both the right wing is wrong and the left wing is wrong, but here I'm going to come out right down the limit. Let me tell you the reasonable position. And each case, his, quote, reasonable position is factually false, is absurd. Compared to the left wing position, it's stupider than that. So on Epstein, I'll just mention this one quickly,

the right-winger's say that Jeffrey Epstein was running some sort of, sex ring for the rich and powerful. Well, that's a fact. No, no, we know that. We have court documents. We have witness statements. We have the girls saying that Jeffrey made them have sex with his friends.

We have that guy, what's his name, the model, the head of the modeling agency in France who's been accused. We have Leon Black in the United States. We have the head of, well, how about Prince Andrew? That's a fact. So don't call that a right-wing conspiracy theory. And then, by the way, he ends up the column attacking the right and the left on conspiracy theories by telling us how he believes in UFOs. So, I mean, what is the impact on the MAGA base?

Do you think that this is a mortal blow? Or do you think this is just something Trump is going to ride out? Because if you take the approach at what Trump that drain the swamp, this is the old. drain the swamp moment. This is the great reveal. This is Trump showing the corruption, deceit, and perversion behind the curtain. Yes. Yes. I hope it remains a thorn in his side. I mean, when you say the mortal blow, what precisely does that mean? He's not going to be impeached over it. He's because the Democrats definitely don't want her down. Yeah.

I mean, Trump may have his own reasons, which are his donors. I think they don't want him to release it. I don't think he's in the files having sex with a 14-year-old girl. I think it's his donors who don't want it out. They're rich and powerful people. I think, but as long as it remains a thorn in his side, and in fact, I think this is part of the reason I need to keep writing about it, because since he has totally betrayed the Maga base,

and worse than that, attacked them and called them, people who want the Epstein files out, called them idiots and saying, I don't want your support. This is his base. I mean, I've never seen him make such a mistake with his base. He really does think he's untouchable. But isn't he, though, because look, look at the Iran thing, right? There were a lot of people who, there were some people who had principled opposition.

Other people were just having a full-blown meltdown, calling for him to be impeached, Tucker Carson, went apeshire, you know, all these Candace Owensers and all these other people, right? You stared them all down, proven ultimately, completely, correct on the decision he made. I would argue. The World War III predictions didn't materialize. The U.S. involvement didn't materialize. I say it's because we put pressure on him not to let it materialize. I think it's a very tenuous claim to make personally. But it's fine. My point is something else, which is he saw off the critics and came out on top. That's ultimately what happens.

Only because he moved on. We stopped obsessing with Iran. I mean, part of it is, at least from perspective, it's not just that we're getting involved literally sending troops in. And again, he didn't end the war in Afghanistan. I'm sick of hearing about it. I don't want to turn on my TV and, you know, whither Iran and this leader and that leader and Shia and Sunni, can we get back to my country for 10 minutes here? What's going on on our border? Can we care about my country? No, we always have to be fixated on whether the Middle East and Iran and Iraq and Israel and the Palestinians, and how about Ukraine and Russia? Meanwhile, on our border, Mexicans are killing nearly 100,000 Americans a year with the fentanyl. Oh, by the way, one thing I love about London,

no pot. You can't walk 10 yards in New York City without reeking of marijuana. It's the most disgusting thing imaginable, so go London. You really haven't traveled widely in London. I'll take you to Briggs and Ad. It'll be right up your street. Nearly. Yeah, there's plenty of part of London. Well, they shouldn't do it. It's very bad for you.

Yeah. What I'm asking, well, it's interesting you mentioned. I know a lot of Americans feel that way about, you know, putting America first, which is totally unsignedable. Every country should put in. And that was his motto. Right. But now that he has secured the board, I mean, one of the interesting things is, of course, he came in on the promise of ending the conflict. Ukraine. In one day. I never thought that was particularly likely to happen, and it hasn't happened.

Likewise with Israel and Gaza, that hasn't been settled yet. Why do you think that is? Well, you may not have noticed this. Trump is an exaggerator. Yeah. I have, I've got glimpses of that here every now and again. You don't really take it to the bank. Well, in, in, in, you know, In the case of Russia, I mean, Putin just, I've noticed Ukraine is a much bigger issue over here than it is in America. It is over and done in America. Nobody cares. They're sick of spending money. It's just, it's going into this, a pit.

And people keep dying, dying, dying. People would like it just to end. I think Putin realizes, and by the way, he's not Hitler. He's not going to march into Poland. He wants, he definitely wants all of Ukraine. It is historically part of Russia. I am not defending him. He invaded the country.

country shouldn't have done that. But that's what he wants. He's made it very clear. No all of Ukraine's historically part of Russia, but fine. I'm from Russia, so. Where did the word for Ukraine come from? It means borderland. There's a Russian word, and it was something like Ukraine or something. I'm talking about. But that's a Ukrainian word. It means borderland. So Western Ukraine used to be part of Poland, eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine. was part of Russia and southern, most of the southern Ukraine. Okay, I'm not believing you, but we'll... You're not believing?

No. Why not? What do you mean you're not believing me? I want to go look it up. Oh, okay, cool. Okay. So anyway, he wants it all. He does.

And England and Spain, or France and Germany, aren't going to be funding Ukraine the way the U.S. was. The U.S. does not want to keep funding Ukraine. Ukraine, so I think Putin just sees his opportunity is going to keep on going. And Trump did not expect that. He thought, let's end it. A lot of Russians are being killed.

Now, I think he's just moved on and doesn't care. So that's it with that one. And wait, what were we on the Magga? Oh, Epstein. So as long as it's a thorn in his side, he does keep giving us a lot of good stuff to try to distract the Maga base. I mean, stepped up

white a bit. Just, I mean, I've barely been keeping up with the U.S. news, but I'm reading, sort of skimming the New York Times every day. And every day it's another Christmas gift to the MAGA base. Like, how do you mean? What do you mean by a Christmas gift? What was the one? That was a really good one today. Oh, yeah, yeah, way less spending on global warming. That has basically just been slashed from the government. So that's today. Yesterday. Okay, maybe I won't do it chronologically day by day. The other one, was, and I'm shocked that no other Republican president has done this, the national parks and monuments

have to take out all the anti-American crap, and the New York Times trying to scare its readers into, you know, this massive, horrible censorship, and we're losing our history. They had an article of the stuff that's being taken out. So this is supposed to make the average reader think, oh, my gosh, how can they take that out? And everyone just, it makes your head explode. I can't believe they had this in a national park. Anything about it, there was some like horse. Maybe it was the little horses in South Carolina

or something, but, you know, there's a description of little horses. And of course, climate change has made their habitat more difficult. Every single hero in the United States, you need a full page on what the guy thought of slavery. John Muir, the father of our national parks,

you guys probably mean, he was a big naturalist, big hero. Our national parks are beautiful. You have much more beautiful buildings. But boy, we have beautiful national parks. His is, said mean things about, was it even blacks? It was Indians, our Indians, American Indians, and somebody else, maybe it was just Indians. By the Liberty Bell, there was something about, now at the time, there were a lot of enslaved people. Can you please just give the history without everything being a reminder of slavery. So, okay, that's one thing. Those are all going to be removed. Can't believe a Republican president hasn't done this before now. There's another one this week.

Anyway, it's things like that. You probably don't care about. No, no, no. I find it interesting because the way he's maneuvering himself. The thing that I've always found very, I actually found it quite annoying, if I'm being honest, is the way that Republicans or nobody on the right, preached about corruption and the corruption in the Biden administration, which there was a lot of, and we don't need to go into it because we all know what it was. Yet when Trump releases his meme coin, which to me is just outrageous, everybody's like, oh, that's fine. I'm like, is it? Can't disagree with you. I think, and it's hilarious. I think this is the most corrupt presidency in U.S. history with the money they are raging in with the NFTs and the meme coin.

I mean, it's so blatant. It's right in front of our eyes. And the funny thing about, I don't care as long as we get a wall and mass deportations. If I have not made that clear, I don't care about anything but saving the country

and we'll deal with, you know, future presidents being corrupt. I mean, it's corrupt in the sense that he, I should probably modify what I just said. It's corrupt in the sense that he, he's using the presidency to rake in so, much money, which I believe is technically an ethics violation.

But he isn't... Technically. Sounds like an ethics violation to me. But it's... I think it's better than, for example, not releasing the EPSC in files because... in a trade-off with his donors. Okay, give me $100 million and I won't release them. I mean, that hasn't come to light.

But I'm just saying that... Right now, he is just as far as... as we know, just raking in the money to benefit himself and his family. He is pushing the MAGA policies. And I mean, I thought this, and I think I said it publicly. I don't know my substack with Mickey Kaus

because he asked me. Now, if you liked Joe Biden's policies, when you care about this under Biden stuff, and we both agreed that I think most Americans wouldn't care if you liked the policies. Because that was another one, I'm sorry, that was, sorry, in the trouble, that was just to benefit the Biden family. Okay. See, my pushback to that is corruption is a cancer.

And if you let it spread unchecked and you do not challenge it, it permeates into every facet of society. Society eventually collapses, which is what I've seen in Venezuela. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Which is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. I think the most corrupt, actually. Yeah, Venezuela. Congratulations. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, motor capital of the world as well. Perfect. But so when I see, I find what you're saying, and as a Republican and as a conservative, quite shocking, if I'm being honest, because if we don't challenge corruption at the helm and the highest possible echelon, you're basically giving it a free pass, aren't you? No, I agree with that in principle, and you're totally nailing me on it. And I'm probably blushing now.

But our country is so much further gone than yours is. I thought when I wrote Adios America in 2015 about immigration, not just illegal immigration, all immigration. Since 1970, we have been hauling in the third world, hand over fist. I mean, 80, 90, 90% of our legal immigrants are from the third world. Yeah, try to immigrate from Western Europe. It was a specific design by the Democrats to change the country more in their favor and happened to wreck the country at the same time. We're down to, I mean, this is something else that we can look up and get the actual number on.

We're down to, I mean, from what, 16, 20, up until 1970, the country was 80 to 90% white, 10 to 20% black. that those are foundational Americans, and the 1970 population overwhelmingly traced its ancestry back to colonial times. We're now down to, well, it's about 13% black, so that hasn't changed that much. We're now down to, I think, around 57% white Americans. And by the way, they include a lot of Hispanics in white.

And people always talk about, and I'm sorry, but the president of Singapore was right. People do vote their ethnicity. The Democrats were right, bringing in third world immigrants got them a lot of votes. You know, maybe we can change in the future. Maybe, maybe it takes about 100 years. Wait, didn't Hispanics break for Trump this election?

Nope. No. Big fat lie, they went a little bit more for the Republican. It's like the rate of growth in the government. No, it was a huge cut, the rate of growth. No, no. What was it? What was the breakdown?

I don't remember. top of my head. It was more than usual, and there were a few areas where it seemed to matter. I forget what it was, but it was absolutely not a majority. It was a big move. I think Hispanic men might have slightly major. But meanwhile, white males between the ages of 18 and 25 are like 90% Trump voters. No, that's a good demographic for us. So people always talk about, and maybe it's probably the same here, but how politics will swing. There's a pendulum back and forth. and, you know, it'll seem like Republicans totally on the upswing. Well, you get, you know, FDR, liberal, liberal, liberal.

Then we get Reagan. It seems like they're going to be around forever. And then Obama, oh, my gosh, Republican Party is finished. And it seems to swing back and forth. But, I mean, in the 1950s, which I wrote about the, with the communist stuff and Alger Hiss and Joe McCarthy, if I had lived in those times, I would have thought the country's over. our government just streaming with spies for Stalin.

That would have looked pretty bad to me. And then, you know, in the Alzerhys, not Al Javieris, Whitaker Chambers said, I'm moving from the Communist Party to the side of truth and God, and I'm moving from the winning side to the losing side. It's kind of a pessimistic fellow. But no, in the end, the losing side won. So you would think you'd have, you know, more hope.

that you do have the pendulum swing and it is crazy as it gets. But that was with a different population. Reagan wouldn't win one, two landslides now with the new demographics. Look at California for your future America. California gave us, until Trump, our two greatest Republican presidents, Richard Nixon and Donald Trump. You can't get elected dog catcher in that state anymore without being a Democrat and far left progressive Democrat. I met a girl. I hope she doesn't listen to this because she really annoyed me. Here in London, I sat next to her at a dinner.

And she's, you know, big social conservatives. I'm big social conservative. I'm pro-life. I'm the whole nine yards. But she was saying that, no, she's not worried about immigration because the third worlders, you know, the Mexicans and the Muslim, they're voting against trans and they're against abortion. And I said, okay, go to California and get your pro-life bill through. And then I'll say it can be done. Yeah, they're Catholics that are

technically anti-abortion, but they don't vote on it. They vote for government benefits. So is that the real reason why you are, because, Because the statement that people always say with America is that it's a nation of immigrants. That's complete bullshit. It is used to destroy our country. It is not a nation of immigrants. It was invented by liberals to help destroy our country. It is a nation of British settlers. Thank you very much. And it remained a country of, well, Dutch. They didn't settle. They were more traders. Whereas, thank God for England's primogenitor law, where the firstborn son gets. everything, which I guess you have to do on a small little island or states get broken up.

But because of that, you have all these really smart second and thirdborn sons, and they're just S.O.L. You have the smart girls, and they don't get anything either. So we got a lot of the really, really smart, smart British people who came over and founded what King George called that Presbyterian War. the country was overwhelmingly British Presbyterian you had the Dutch in New York but like I say they were traders and it's an example of immigration overwhelming

the Dutch and so many British came in that the Dutch sort of lost their influence but a lot of stuff is named after them very important then I think I you know fair number of Germans came over but on them more Germans though This is what I have been... Over time, yeah. And they used to be the largest ethnic group, though I think that's a little bit fake because people who are descended from the British don't call themselves.

I'm an English immigrant. I mean, like me, I just call myself in America. Right. And isn't the point that people are trying to make... By the people say this about Britain. Britain's a nation of immigrants. And that actually is... Often raging.

That is silly. And I've done articles on my substack and videos about it. But with America, isn't what people mean is that everyone who currently lives in America came from somewhere else. So it's less perhaps abnormal or surprising that more people are coming from somewhere else to America. I'm like, I've traveled in America. I've probably been to at least half of the States. My sense was always that Americans are much more pro-immigration than British people are.

They're very against- Not anymore. They're very against illegal immigration, as I think they're right to be. but I don't get the sense that they're not pro-immigration. Do you see what I mean? Yes, yes, yes. Point one, the idea that absolutely you travel. And it's, what was it not?

Majority-wide is barely hanging on by its fingernail. So yes, it's happened. But when you say nation of immigrants, it sounds like, you know, this is like a founding principle. No, this is how Teddy Kennedy and the Democrats changed the country beginning in 1970. So, I mean, you can take a really expensive bottle of wine and pour vinegar in it and then say, this wine sucks.

It's a bottle of vinegar. Well, no, it wasn't. It was a bottle of wine. You poured vinegar in it. And that doesn't make it a bottle of vinegar. And you are absolutely right, much to my absolute blinding fury, that, yes, they distinguish between legal immigrants, as Trump says. We love legal immigrants, just not illegal immigrants. And I mean, that was a big part of my book, Adios America. It wasn't about illegal immigrants. It's about

immigrants. What they mean when they say this, I know this is what they mean, pre-1970 immigrants and post-1970 immigrants, because they're thinking of, I mean, the immigrants that came end of the 18th century end of the 19th century beginning of the 20th century no they were fantastic those were all still Western Europeans so a lot of them that's only a few generations back so a lot of them are thinking of their grandparents

who came from Ireland or Germany or Italy that's who they're thinking of when they say legal immigrants they don't realize that the only difference in, I mean, Biden made a joke of it. By saying, okay, illegal immigrants, massing at our border, peasants with no skills, inability to speak English who are instantly going to go on welfare, mug us, kill us, drive drunk, rape little girls. No, you can come in legally. Biden just did that. So they're legal immigrants. It's the same. same people is about 85%

third world. And yes, we can take people from anywhere and assimilate them, but for one thing, assimilation is a bad word now. They acts like, you know, it's hate speech to try to assimilate people. They live in their little, I mean,

they're basically creating their own their own ghettos within the United States, up in Dearborn, Michigan. They have signs in Arabic. And, you know, I like a lot of them. My senator was from Michigan, But that's crazy. In Minnesota, all the Somalians,

they absolutely only vote for a Somalian. The U.S. representative from that area, Ilhan Omar, she gives speeches. You see this huge mass of Somalians, and she's saying, I'm here to represent the Somalian people. You're supposed to be representing America now. And that's a big problem with bringing in,

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and I've always been hugely in favor of really strong assimilation policies, right? But didn't you have this controversial moment with Vivek, who I think you'd agree is smart and has assimilated, where you said you wouldn't vote for him because he's Indian? Yeah, for president. I didn't say I wouldn't vote. I said he could be, you know, senator. He's running for Senate now.

Why, why can't, he's, he was born in America, right? Um, yes. Why wouldn't you vote for him for president? Okay, look up all the presidents of, of India. Have they ever had a non-Indian president? Why no, they haven't? As Israel ever had a non-Israeli president? Why is my country the only country that is supposed to have, oh no, anybody can

run a, had an Indian prime minister? Yeah, I don't think it went that. that well. And that was fairly recent. It was fairly recent. And it didn't go well, but it wasn't because he was Indian. Okay. Well, I wouldn't have voted for him because he's Indian. I think, and by the way, we have a natural born citizen clause for that. I mean, there is, as I explained to Vivek in his podcast, that was a real, I really started off of the bang on that one. It was a rash decision at the last minute. All my friends oppose, and I think a lot of people, oppose Vivek because they think of him as a scam artist and a con man.

And I was thinking, well, I can't say that to him. I wouldn't vote for him because he's Indian. Let's throw that one out. But I explained this to him at the time. There's a reason we have the National Born Citizen Clause for president. There is an idea, and I think people feel it even more now because of the massive immigrants from very, very different cultures. America, I mean, like Britain, like most countries, I guess, it has a lot of people.

a very distinctive culture. We are the freest country in the world. Free speech is in our bones. The right to bear arms is in our bones. And when polls are taken, no matter how nice they are, immigrants overwhelmingly do not support free speech and gun rights. I mean, those are just two examples. But doesn't the Vex support free speech and gun rights? The point is still the same. And that is, there is the idea that over generations, it's in your bones. This is in your blood. You would die for this country. It's just second nature to believe in the right to bear arms.

And, yeah, immigrants can pick this up. Look, I told him I'd go for his kids if they married an American. But he is an American, isn't he? Yeah, he is, but he's an Indian American. He is a second generation immigrant. Okay. But the rule about the natural, so I'm just, maybe I'm confused. Otherwise, I wouldn't have had to say that.

I could have just said you're not natural born. Ted Cruz isn't natural born. I wouldn't have to explain. This is an analogy that it matters how deep your connection is to a very distinctive culture. But you said that's because there's certain things that are embedded in the culture, like being in favor of the First Amendment, being in favor of the second. But the Vec is in favor of all these things, and you still wouldn't work for him. Well, he says that.

I want it in their bones. I want the wives to believe it. I want it generation after generation after generation. I don't want it to have to have to be something they need to study and figure out this is what they're supposed to say about it. But aren't there loads of white Americans who don't believe in either of those amendments? Sure. But you would...

A lot. No, that's not true. No. Aren't there a lot? No. No. No. The people who support...

There's a lot of white Californians who don't believe in either of those amendments. Yeah, and a majority do. And a majority of no other... ethnic group does. And the majority of no other ethnic group does. But surely, wouldn't the position B, Ann, is to take everybody on their own individual merits? Isn't that just the way... Does everybody get to be president? If you're born in the country and you're an American citizen, then you should have the chance, shouldn't you? Isn't that the American dream? Tell Netanyahu. Tell the Israelis. As soon as they put in a president who's not in Israeli, I will say you guys are absolutely right.

But he isn't an American. He is an American. It's not like he's just come over and then assume the mantis... There are Muslim Israelis. Right. And they serve in the Supreme Court and they can be elected president? They won't be elected president. Well, they can be. Well, okay, but I'm not saying there should be a constitutional amendment. I say I won't vote for that person. And you know, damn well, Israelis are not voting for Muslim president. because they don't want to, just as Anne doesn't want to. Which is, look, I mean, that is fair, Anne. If you don't want to, you don't want to.

I think the question that I want to ask there for is, is MAGA just a one-term thing? Is this just going to be a one-term flash in the pan, built around the cult of Trump? Or is this going to be something longer-lasting? Not a chance that it will be one term. When I describe the Maga cult, I don't know what percentage of Trump voters, just like that he, the way he talks, like I say, his personality as opposed to his policies.

But a lot of people care about the policies. And my proof of that is 2016 was at least the third time Donald Trump ran for president. This is the first time he talked about immigration. and swept the primaries. And by the way, if you look, I mean, I described this and in Trump We Trust, you look at that opening speech coming down the escalator. He talked about a lot of stuff.

The Mexican rapist thing was like 8% of the opening speech. It could have been about Obamacare. It could have been about guns. It could have been about... I mean, those words do tend to stand out, right? I think a lot of them. I think you can find a lot of them that sand out. when he, I mean, attacking Jeb Bush saying, your father lied us into war.

The reason, the reason, I mean, he was lucky. The entire media, the entire Republican Party, the entire Democratic Party, I mean, of the elites, opposed him on that. But the people were for him on that. So the more the media attacked him, the more they were doing his PR for him by advertising his single most popular policy. and even though it didn't take bravery, it took not being a moron

to start pick up the popular policy, it made them look brave. So no, immigration, and when he got elected this time, New York Times, ran a poll, and there were a million polls showing the same thing, but I'm saying this is a statement against interest because the New York Times is very liberal.

They ran a big poll. Most Americans, a majority, didn't like his personality, didn't like him personally, but they overwhelmingly supported him on immigration, expressly mass deportations. It's a popular issue. Even the Republicans like Rubio,

who pushed an amnesty and was, oh, the most beloved Republican over at Fox News, where they love amnesty. Every Republican, when Trump ran into 2016, every Republican supported amnesty at the very end, Cruz, the closest to him, I'd say, I logically flipped. Now all of them, amazingly, Rubio, whom I hated, hated, hated for being this beloved amnesty pusher, man, he sounds like, adios America now. He could have been quoting straight from my book.

So Republicans have flipped. They've figured it out. You know what I bet it will be like? I hope this doesn't end up being a problem. So Reagan runs on tax cuts. Tax is the highest tax rate back then. This may be nothing to you guys. But it was like 78%. That's quite a lot to us. I mean, that's for each dollar above a certain amount.

But still. But that's a huge amount. 78%. So he runs on cutting taxes. And unlike Trump's first term, he kept his promises, slashes taxes. Now, since then, my idiot Republican Party

keeps running on cutting taxes, but the only difference in a Republican president and a Democrat president on taxes, and look, I'm four tax cuts, it's always good. But it's like 34% versus 39%. It's not up to 50%, 60%, 70%, 78%.

So Reagan won the argument on that. I think if anything, we would see the Democrats coming around on immigration, as some of the liberal parties in Europe have done in order to win. Really? So you think, like, for instance, Gavin Newsom would go out and talk about limiting immigration. I mean, he's got no integrity and he would do whatever it takes to win.

So actually, you've made my argument for me. Yeah, fair. Yeah. But I just see the Dems as being so ideologically compromised. Like, they know what they need to do. Do they? Do they? But the way.

Do they? Do they? I see the Dems as being like Jehovah's Witnesses. They know that they need to take the blood of transfusion in order to save themselves, but they can't do it for Bridget. Yeah, but they've got principles. They've got, you know, they've got a greater purpose in life, right? And their purpose is, you know, to save the poor illegal immigrants and the trans kids and whatever, right? Yeah.

They can't go back on that, just like the Jehovah's Witnesses. Yeah. I think they can. I don't know that they will. It's hard to imagine right now, I admit it. But there are two reasons I think they can is one, until they notice that the post-1970 immigrants were voting for them, the lot of Democrats were as tough as I am on immigration.

Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader for a while, Democrat from Nevada, he gave a blistering speech on anchor babies. Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, both from California, absolutely hardcore on immigration because it was hitting California first. Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama. I have a whole chapter in my book, basically listing left-wing American politicians talking about immigration. Yes.

And they were to the right of Donald Trump, all of them. Yes. Yes. Bernie Sanders. Well, to the right of 2016 Trump. Right. Right. And Bernie Sanders, when he ran in 2016.

So it drives down American workers' wages. Which it does. And then he flipped. Yeah. Because he went back to the mother ship. And no, no. they're voting for us. But, okay, so that's one point.

They have believed this. But the difference is now that people are different. Ilhan Omar and AOC are never going to come out against immigration. True. So the immigrants won't. But the other Democrats, the reason they might is to take Ilhan Omar as an example. So the mayor of Minneapolis, total leftist freak boy, he was the one you may have in this weeping like a baby

in front of George Floyd's gold casket. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. Just an absolute soy boy pussy on this. Well, guess what? They just had the Democratic primary, and he lost to a Somali. AOC took the place.

And I wrote about this in, maybe I was just arguing of my producers. Anyway, I read my own books on audiobook. and I'm sitting in the studio arguing with the producers, the producer and his daughter, I guess, during our lunch break. I think it came up in one of my books, that this is the end of the white Democrats.

You guys are so screwed. It's over. And there was this, I think his name was Thomas Crowley, a long time, Irish have dominated the Democratic Party. Congressman and AOC runs, and it was a white bout. So there, and he is in the, only one. Democrats are losing their positions. They made they made a slight miscalculation. We'll bring in all these third worlders and they'll vote for us. It never occurred to them

that the third worlders might want our own for office and they block vote for their ethnicity. So ha, ha, ha, Democrats. The one thing that's interesting with the Democrats is looking at what's happened in New York with Mandani. Is that his name? It's very hard to pronounce because in English there's no word that has an M followed by a D. It's hard for your mouth to say it anyway, but it's Mam Donnie. Okay, so Mamdani. Because that looks to me, and we're seeing the same type of rhetoric being used over here, which is this very hardcore, very leftist, old-school leftist, I would say, which isn't about identity politics.

It's going right down to the argument of economics. It's talking about billionaires. It's talking about us and them. It's talking about inequality. Would it not be smart for the Democrats to actually attack using that type of policy and that type of rhetoric? Yes, but only in places like New York.

It will not work out in America. Working class is definitely done with the Democrats. I think it works in New York. And that's a very smart point. Because the people actually voting for Mom Donnie aren't the poor. It's the rich elites. They're totally down with the Communist Manifesto. So you say it's only going to be the rich elites who are going to be,

who are susceptible to voting for that particular type of narrative? Well, blacks in New York, for example, overwhelmingly voted for Cuomo. And he's a complete horse's act. So, you know, they had to overcome a lot to vote for him. That's really interesting. So you don't see that as being in it. Because in the UK, that narrative, as we see with the cost of living crisis, as we see, you know, the tale. Everything's a crisis in Britain.

Whenever there's any kind of problem, it's a crisis. Exactly. Cost of living crisis, housing crisis, energy crisis, climate crisis. Welfare crisis. Border crisis. Everything is a crisis. So essentially, I'm a crisis. And maybe that taps more into the kind of the British mind, but it seems more and more that

over here that kind of talking, those talking points and that rhetoric is becoming normalized. But you don't see that as being an issue in the United States. No, that's a really smart point. And I think it is the difference, a difference between us and not only England, but all these European countries where the far left, the communist left, they actually did have the working class voting for them. And I'm pretty sure that's true of labor over here. Okay, that's never been true in the U.S. Reagan, it was a hard hat revolution during when Nixon was president and you had all the, you know, anti-war protesters and anti-Nixon protesters, even though he's

the one who ended the war. It was the hard hats who came out into New York City. and beat up the hippies. And one, Lindsey, Mayor Lindsay, very left-wing mayor of New York, damn, I forget who it was. Some lefty died, and he put the flag at half-mast,

and the hard-hack guys climbed up the flagpole and raised it to the top of the mass. They have not been putting up with his nonsense for a long time, And in fact, one of my now conservative friends was a lefty in the 60s and with some cult-like groups. And their objective was to get the working class to support the left wing because it had not happened before in the U.S. And he says, you know, I went in to change the working class and they changed me. And he became a huge, you know, Reaganite right winger. But our working class is not left wing.

Are you hopeful for the future of America? Because when we were talking on Saturday, you showed more optimism for the UK, which I found baffling, if I'm being honest. That's tourist eyes, mate. That's what that is. That's tourist eyes. Sorry, I'm. That's tourist eyes. No, I am more optimistic for you guys.

I mean, I wish you could get Farage in a little sooner. This four-year thing is really enormous. When I wrote Adios America, I wrote it in 2015, and back then, I thought, this country is so over, but maybe we have a 10% chance of saving it, and it's my country. I love it. It's worth writing this book. And then, thank God, Trump read it and, boy, that Mexican rapist is that all over, Adios America. And the day he was inaugurated, I thought my, and I was emailing, with, you know, Stephen Miller and the other few sympathico people saying, suddenly, our hope has gone

from 10% to 90% to save the country. And then we got term one and you didn't do anything. And everyone, you know, down. And also Biden brought in 20 million new illegal aliens. We already had about 40 million. And what are the chances now? I don't know. Let's see if Trump and the other Republicans

can keep their promises, but I think you guys are way better off. You just have to do the right stuff. Like elect Farage. Well, I think the problem is you say do the right stuff. I look at Kirstama. I don't think that's going to happen. And he's going to be in power for four years.

Now, if he's actually going to make it through those four years, I think it's a big question. Even though we do tend to have very rigid rules, there could be an earlier election. It depends on what happens. That would be fantastic. And why do you like Farage so much? Well, he's a leader of Brexit. He's been responsible for a long time. I went to one of his press conferences this week, and he's very good on his feet, had great answers for everything. Also very good on free speech. With that, he was attacking that safety act, which instantly started showing up in my internet feed, by the way. It's unbelievable. You're the mother country. You're supposed to believe in free speech. But wait, what was? Oh, how about? Wasn't Trump's advice to Starmer hilarious? He's telling him basically to do everything Farage is recommending.

Yeah, I mean, and then he, for him for good measure, he gave a few swipes against our mayor. I loved that, but I loved him acting like he's just talking like Starmer is going to take it. You got to cut off the boat. You got you send them home. And this safety act, cut taxes, as if he's just, you know, putting his arm around him, giving him some good brotherly advice. Do you know what you're talking to? And I'm sure Starmer will listen very carefully.

Take it under advisement. Before Anne answers a final question at the end of the interview, make sure to head over to our substack. The link is in the description where you'll be able to see this. You're the only public figure I've seen point out on Bill Maher's show that when the media doesn't announce a suspect's race in the headline, we know the suspect is not white. This trend is so obvious and so racist, why has no one else spoken out about it?

Do you think history will come to see Elon Musk as a tragic patriot? What is your prediction for the candidates in the 2028 race? J.D. Definitely JD. And on the Democrats? Oh my gosh. They are so screwed. And we're going to head over to Arsabstack in a second where our audience get to ask you their questions. You've requested questions with the C word against you. So we'll do as many of those as we can.

Well, I was just saying you don't need to edit them. Well, now we certainly won't, if there are any. But before we had it out over there, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be? Well, we covered probably enough to bore your audience my number one topic the most. And then we covered my second most favorite topic, Epstein. It doesn't have to be politics. It can be absolutely anything. Oh, there's Sidney. That's fantastic.

I was asking my guys earlier today, because I've not been very well last week. I've taken a week off the internet mainly. And then I came back and basically, Correct, explain this to me, right? What happened is this jeans company put a blonde girl with big tits. Not exactly that.

I think you're doing her a disservice. Demeaning it. She's a pretty all-American girl. That's what I'm saying. Great. I'm all in favor of that. I don't think it's the big tits. I mean, that's a very female perspective. But anyway, let's be honest.

The boobs do play a massive part of it. Okay. And let's not, let's not, Not if she had zero in on the tits. Not if she had Kamala Harris's face. I was unnecessarily crass. They put an attractive blue-eyed blonde girl

on a jeans ad and they said she's got great jeans playing on the word jeans and everyone said they're Nazis. Is that what happened? Yep. No, not everyone. The, you know, so moderate and normal democratic party.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't even understand the leap of logic exactly. Is being blonde and blue-eyed, I mean, you're... I see where they're going. Exactly. Well, what's funny, I'm doubly, quadruply funny about this

is basically since George Floyd, there have been no blonde models, zero. Every TV commercial, every magazine commercial, it's just black, black, black-de-black, black-black, black. And, you know, it's 13% of the population. They're just bad. begging people to say, what the F? So they can say, oh, does that offend you?

No, but it's weird. It's just weird to take, I mean, why not have, you know, every ad with a one-legged man? It's just weird that they're obsessed with this. And now for the first time, and if they would have someone who wasn't, you know, obviously black, it would have to be this neutral. Could be Hispanic. Yeah, there's this like racially ambiguous category now. That's the one that...

But not blonde. Can not be blonde. But why does that make them Nazis? I don't get it. Because the Democratic Party learned so much from the 2024 election. They really have. Let's try to be normal. We're trying.

Let's head over to substack where our audience are going to call N names. See you there. Which is a better media strategy and odds of success for the Trump administration over the Roshagate probe to target Hillary alone or Hillary with Obama, Brennan and Comey or another variation of the major players. And who would you target? Thank you.