Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 117: Cops Are Ruining The World

Episode Date: October 10, 2019

We take a dive into the Joshua Brown/Botham Jean case and discuss how cops and prisons are indeed destroying the planet.

I was born ready, Terrence. What's the craziest gymnastic trick you've ever done to avoid getting caught? You ever run from the police? Yeah. You ever run from any school administrators, like principals? Mrs. Turner, get your ass over here. I mean, I skipped school a bunch, but I never got caught red-handed. Mrs. Turner, get your ass right over here right now

but um i did have to scale the a building a huddle house one time on an away softball trip because we had climbed up on top of the huddle house next door to the hotel to smoke weed give me my keys i can't remember who it was that caught us but they i think it was one of the fucking moms. Them goddamn moms were outrageous. It's helicopter... Moms with no jobs. I didn't understand a mom that didn't work, because my mom had about three jobs, and these

bitches were living vicariously through their children, up in all of our motherfucking business all the time. You mean like a mom who's constantly trying to set you up with other boys and like uh fix you up with a nice boy uh not me is it like a what was it like amy poehler's character on mean girls should she yeah but really redneck like with monogrammed boots and you know matching camo tees that style you know the type wait so why no they were they were they actually they were doing the opposite of travel maybe they probably were trying to set their girls up with boys because they were just positive we were going to make their kids gay it was like the younger softball girls mission accomplished constantly they were constantly

going to the coach and then even to the fucking principal and then at one point to my mom this is one time my mom really did do me a solid this fucking parent had the audacity to come up to my mom at a fucking basketball game that was this one my sister's playing basketball and say she lied it's gonna give you the heads up um you know that there's several girls on the team that we think are lesbians and we just want to make sure that you're watching out for Tonya making sure she's not hanging out with them and my mom said is it catching is it contagious she screamed across the fucking gymnasium at this woman she's i think she'll be just goddamn fine thank you fast forward 15 years later you're a lesbian

less than that but uh it really wasn't that my mom was sticking her neck out for me she just could not stand one of these fucking mom these busybody moms to tell her how to fucking raise her kid oh it was that was her button this bitch pushed the sheila button it's got that is the got to be the most goddamn irritating thing as a parent having someone else tell you how to raise your i know i was over my sister's last night and she's going through it right now because her kid just started school and i mean public school fucking sucks it does and my sister don't know what to do she she's about she's almost she apparently already this year almost fought the fucking cop they have out there doing traffic in the morning dude school cops my sister had to threaten a school cop she's's had to threaten another parent. Fucking school cops

are the worst because they act like they're this sort of outside third party force at a school. They're like, I'm not the... I'm just the arbiter. I'm just the arbiter. Our school cop, his number one priority was to

collect weed for himself. And he wouldn't turn you in, he'd just take it. We knew what was happening with that weed. I was like, God damn. He's like,

girls, you know I can't let you keep this. You know I can't send you, I gotta take this from you. I was like, God damn. Wait, why,

why were you on top of the huddle house? Oh yeah, back to the huddle house. Wait, why did I miss that part? You're outside. He asked if I'd ever run from the cops. I asked if you'd ever run from the cops, Why were you on top of the huddle house? Oh, yeah, back to the huddle house. Why did I miss that part? You're outside.

He asked if I'd ever run from the cops. I asked if you'd ever run from the cops or any kind of administrative authority, let's say a principal or a security guard. Rent a cop. Oh, I do feel like we used to harass the cop at the mall like because i grew up in a town with a mall millsboro mall so i was a mall rat it's a pretty good life and we did terrorize that motherfucker and we would plant things for him to find like empty condom wrappers and stuff for him to just freak out about then start questioning people about it because anyway there was only like you know a few groups of kids at that time that were hanging out at the mall because we're

the only age group in town who wanted to hang out at the fucking mall it's a very fleeting time period it's about a year and a half you think it's cool to hang out at the mall and then it's the suicide even be seen at the mall so our mall and hobbs was one we used to just call it a hall it was one long building you could see from one end to the other i say i'm the real rural one here don't even have a model that was an hour and a half from a mall well we used to have to drive to lubbock texas go to the mall. The big mall was in Knoxville. Yeah, we'd drive to Knoxville for the big mall. But we had an eight-store mall. It's still there with like four stores.

That's what ours is. And there's a Furs in it. You ever eat at Furs? No. It is a weird experience going to the mall now. It is. I went to the mall for the first time in years the other day, and I was like. Lexington?

It's awful. Dude, this is dystopic. There's only two stores I go in there and so I know the door nearest to them so I just like each in and out. I'm just trying to get to the Evita store and get my shampoo. I need my Rosemary Mint shampoos. Oh my god.

But I go in there with sunglasses on and a wig. I got to be noticed. Groucho Marx mustache. I've gone with those glasses. Cigars. The glasses. In the Aveda.

The best malls are the ones that are, there is not a single store in the entire mall except for like one. And that one store is the mall's reason for staying open. It'll be like a JCPenney's or something. Or I think a Bath and Body Works can hold a whole mall together. Or a Bath and Body Works. A Bath and Body Works can do it. Yeah, there's a few stores that still anchor it.

And I think the only reason I ever have to go to a mall is maybe go to a Journey's or something to get a new pair of Vans or something. Yeah. Other than that. Yeah. Well, Tom, you know. They're in lean times. Get some of them free fucking Chinese samples. Exactly.

You can just change shirts three times and go back through. Do a couple of loop throughs and have a meal by then. Some of Tom's hustles do require the mall, though. Your shoe hustles. I've been to you with several malls. To buy 12 pairs of shoes. I've been to you with several malls. Well, you know, you have to.

I used to have a Kinect at the House of Hoops. Get me all the exclusive stuff I could flip. But that's dried up. You can't strike a deal with the kids at Hibbets? No, he's in jail in charleston tom wouldn't lie when he said how he was gonna go to jail financial crime receiving stolen property um anyway the huddle house the huddle house so a mom i think it was one of the fucking moms was coming for the ladder side and we thought she knew we was up there apparently she didn't and it didn't end up

being anything but so instead of coming back down the fucking ladder of the huddle house we all had to jump off the other side onto like a fucking huge air air conditioner or something i don't even know what it was like tom cruise mission impossible shit well it was like we jumped down onto that and then onto fucking i don't even know what what else we had like three jumps down the back side of the huddle house god damn escape them all but then we just stood back there quiet what are we gonna we were just getting high on top of the huddle house okay yeah it was lovely until that happened it's important a bit i mean so much weed that is smoked in teen years are done under the most stressful circumstances you know what i mean like i feel like it's not that big of a deal but you

make it a big deal i feel like i developed anxiety from smoking weed in like people's backyards and stuff i think somebody's gonna catch you yeah i snuck snuck off under the under the train trestle one time my mom my mamaw lived under a train trestle one time. My ma'am-ma lived under a train trestle. And I wasn't allowed up there, but we had played up there plenty. But I had never been there when a train had come through. And it's fucking scary being under a train trestle because it's like not covered. You know, in between the railroad slats, it's just clear blue sky. And then all the like gravel and shit when the train goes.

Why'd you get me high, Terrence? I'm behind some stone to the bone. Terrence is like, why'd you smoke this roach? Roach's ass. That was half a hog. It was between a pinner and a hog leg. I don't know what you would call that. I don't know what the classification for it is. Between a Johnny Pner and a hog leg. I don't know what you would call that. I don't know what the classification for it is.

Between a Johnny Pone and a cat head. Yeah. A cat head. I heard the wildest damn story yesterday. What? So you know the saplings and their kids? Yeah. I was talking to my buddy on Main Street.

And he said, man, he said, I saw the saddest yet funniest thing I'd ever seen the other day. I was talking to my buddy on Main Street and he said, man, I saw the saddest yet funniest thing I'd ever seen the other day. I was like, what is it? He said, well, you know, such and such. It's one of these kids that goes there. He said, man, apparently his girlfriend been going out on him and he made this really

grand romantic gesture where he said he was going to kill himself but his plan was to kill himself by jumping off the bridge in weinsberg downtown whitesburg which is like that's exactly what happened he broke his ankle he jumped off he jumped off the bridge he like made a big production because you know when you're a kid you're dramatic you know you just think like oh my god and he's like yeah i was sad because like he legit thought that was going to kill him but he didn't know that that's not high enough bridge to kill yourself and so he just jumped off and broke his ankle and then he said next day he's

walking around this boot and a cane proud of it wow this is the things we do for love i guess what so i mean and then someone river's pretty dry it's almost dry right now yeah it's very low there's no splash at all yeah so he just got wet and creeled his goddamn ankle broke his ankle broke it yeah god damn but it's like uh it's it's he jumped off feet first he had to have known that wasn't going to kill him he had to just that was just like a big i've seen people jump off that like crawl down to like the little platform where the pigeons are and then jump down into it man someone needs to tell him how problematic that is say look johnny uh you may have fucked up your ankle here but we need to have a talk it's very manipulative to tell someone you're going to kill yourself

it really was and then to try to do it right where everyone's hanging out not fun for anybody really obviously they all hang out on that bridge they're all always hanging out there smoking because they won't let them smoke at the drawfin center there used to be a apparently

you know where the vape store is yeah where i don't know what it is now apparently it used to be a jewelry store and herbie smith some one time told me a story about these robbers thieves who went in there and stole a bunch of shit from that jewelry store and then ran underneath the bridge and then just hid down there for like five hours. He thought it was the funniest thing ever. Harold Martin. I know the guy he's talking to. You know the guy who did it? Harold Martin.

Same guy. The same guy that. Tom always knows the other side of the story. My mom said Harold Martin was like kind of like. I guess Harold Martin was kind of like the first ally. Because my mom said Harold Martin was like this just deeply like, you know, troubled guy, but a total badass. And he was like the avenging angel of like all the women in Weinspergen. My mom tells a story.

She said, I was coming home from my shift as a waitress one night about two in the morning. We'd closed down the restaurant. I was walking up the steps and this drunk guy, who I won't say his name, came up there, came up behind me and kept trying to grab me. Her apartment is like, you know the stairs between David Amor's office and the barbershop right there? It's a lawyer's office now. There's apartments up there. The balcony above the barbershop was her balcony.

So this guy came up behind her and was trying to grab her and everything else, trying to get up on her. She said, I have no idea. I hadn't seen Harold Martin in two years. Heard he bought a farm in Tennessee. He came out of nowhere, opened up that door, and grabbed that guy by the back of the shirt and threw him down the stairs. This guy, heard he bought a farm in Tennessee. Hadn't seen him in two years.

Didn't your aunt used to live up there? Didn't they used to live up above? Yeah. Dude, Tom's aunt told us the craziest goddamn story one time. You ain't talked to my sissy, Lisa. Buckle up. This is a good one. Apparently, they had been hanging out with these guys from Cincinnati.

Of course they were from fucking Cincinnati. I thought it was Boston. Cincinnati. I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was Cincinnati, man. Same accent. They were Cincinnati Mafia. Either way.

No, Boston. They were Boston? Yeah, because Dr. Tom Doyle, the OBGYN that delivered me, was connected to the top of the Boston Mafia, apparently. Oh, my God. And was friends with my Uncle Blade, who's passed now. Yeah. Well, I don't know.

They were hanging out with them, and they had all gone up to their apartment up there. No, I think we're both right, because what it was is they were in Cincinnati on the riverfront. They were sticking out of Cincinnati. Yeah. Well, you know, Newport was like a mafia stronghold for a while.

This is the origin of this. I'm from fucking Boston, but I'm working in the Cincinnati mob. Hey, I'm in the Cincinnati area now. Yeah. I'm a trade unionist. A fucking Cincinnati office, you know. Anyways, like, they had been hanging out With these guys

And they all went up To that apartment Tom's aunt Used to live up above The florist shop here And I guess a bunch of them Went up there And they were hanging out

And this guy There was two of them They drove like an Oldsmobile Or some shit Didn't they Or like a Cadillac Eldorado Well They had followed them up there and they were all hanging out and i guess this guy was

emptying out his pockets and he kept pulling out like comically more and more ridiculous shit like first pulled out some money and then pulled out some more you know like cards then a lot more money and then like nunchucks throwing stars brass knuckles a gun and then two fucking grenades he pulled out two grenades two grenades two grenades out of his pocket yeah a loud car pair of jeans he had a crown royal bag filled with hits of liquid micronite. This is like Hunter S. Thompson in Vegas. He just left out a briefcase full. And they said that if the cops were going to trail them, they were going to blow this town sky high.

They were going to blow Wadsburg. They were going to blow Wadsburg up. I wish they had. This was probably in 1978, right, Tom? Yeah, probably 1978. Well, if you remember correctly, I think this is why... We'll blow this tail sky high. In the late 70s, the Cincinnati Mafia was heavily involved in coal mining.

They were laundering money through, like, wildcat coal operations. And the guy who wrote this story is a guy named gary webb who got assassinated yeah well yeah and was also played by jeremy renner he was jeremy renner and that killed the messenger movie but he he's the guy that like broke the uh you know la. CIA brought crack into L.A. story. And he was found suicided. You know what I mean? He had two gunshot.

He had two self-inflicted gunshot wounds. Who shoots themselves twice? Who shoots themselves twice? Oh my God, Dave. it's like an Epstein thing yeah yeah yeah well I have a whole oh shit that didn't kill me yeah it's absurd

your brains are just leaking out that didn't kill me we're gonna put a trigger warning on this episode oh yeah that's true but Gary Webb wrote this really long warning on this episode. Oh yeah, that's true. Shit. Gary Webb wrote this really long expose. He worked for a newspaper in Cincinnati or Covington.

I think in Covington in the late 70s. He wrote this long expose called Coal Connection about how mafia guys were laundering money through coal companies. Tom Zant must have met two of them one night who was prepared to blow Whitesburg sky.

My aunt saved Whitesburg, really. Like Terrence when he climbed in the burning window. That was a feat of heroism. I saw that. I did too. I watched it. He just went in. Get the door open.

What's that? I'll never forget that. That was the night the Darlings were playing at Summit. Yeah, it was. And I looked up and I thought I was just fucked up. I said, parents, I said, there's smoke bellowing. Is that our apartment? Yeah, he goes, well, I was talking to him and I just lost his attention.

I saw him staring behind me and he goes, is there smoke coming out of our apartment? Yeah, we had to run down there. Then the fire department showed up and Terrence was coming out. I'm like, they were going in. I got it. Someone had left. I did a quick assessment of the situation as an arson investigator. And someone had left a cigarette in a styrofoam cup.

Case closed. Sitting on top of a bunch of fucking sawdust. And paint. They've been painting all the most flammable shit possible. I believe it was an attempt at a friction fire. Where your insurance rubs up

against your mortgage. Yeah. Classic Eastern Catholic. Well executed. It looked good. One of those friction files.

It did look like an attempt at one. That's why JV never thanked you. You're right. For saying it was a joke. That is true.

It's like, yeah, you blew his fucking dick. It's like, we're going to dick it's like we're gonna make you sleep good man we're gonna hire just a ragtag crew and we'll get one

of them to act like they left the cigarette behind fuck me I should have known I didn't bring

my albuterol up here I have one I have three when your insurance policy rubs up that's my favorite second only to

if you ask one of these old timers, you been getting any strange? And they say, it would be strange if I got any. So wait, now you never finished. How did she save Wattsburg? She stole all their guns? No, they partied the night away. Oh, okay.

They just partied. They diffused the situation through the power of partying. Yeah. This was actually maybe even an earlier origin than Digital Bedroom. So we were going to do that bridge sitting. Yeah. And that was going to be one of the stories of bridge sitting. Right.

You got the abridged version just then. Right. Yeah. I mean, Tom had high hopes of doing this american life type podcast i remember that's the first time i ever heard of this american life you were telling me this story listen you know this american life he was like telling me his husband i was like no oh it's just like you know storytelling thing we're gonna do Call it Bridge set Oh yeah

They wouldn't give us No money to do it The halcyon days Of 2014 I know he's been Trying to juice out The P&E for years To no avail

To no avail To no avail To none Won't give him a drop Oh fuck Speaking of Are Means TV Coming in soon?

I guess maybe in a week or two. Should we plan a party? Yeah. Let's party with them while they're here. Yeah, we can. We should have them on the show. Let's have them on the show then. Instead of us always being in front of their cameras,

we can drill them this time. Yeah, Nick Hayes, Means TV. Speaking of suspicious suicides and suspicious murders, we have to talk about this goddamn fucking Dallas case. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah, y'all freaked me out the other day

when you told me I hadn't heard what happened. I know. I saw that Lee Fong tweet. And it's like, I understand the impulse of a journalist to kind of keep a level head and whatever. Wait, let me read it. What's he talking about? I want to read it because like the thing that he says in it is like, it's almost a parody.

It's written so fucking dumb that I thought that it was a joke at first. I did see it. a lot did happen this week you're right i thought i was out of the loop right the white house said they weren't gonna cooperate with impeachment not not fucking participating we have nothing to do with it good luck not fucking participating. Yeah, like, we have nothing to do with it. Good luck. Not fucking participating. It'll see here. Nothing to see over here. Sorry, sorry.

I detract us. No, it's okay. I digress. No, stick a pin in there, because I want to talk about it later. Why, yeah. There's something I want to talk about. This is Lee's tweet, which is so goddamn funny.

Lee who? Lee Fong. Oh, wait. I should probably catch everybody up real quick as to what we're talking about here. So Amber Geiger was a police officer that entered someone's apartment, Botham John. Right. Botham John.

Let me just. This is in Dallas, Texas. Let me just point this out because I was talking to Ty about this yesterday. And I said, let me just... This is in Dallas, Texas. Let me just point this out, because I was talking to Ty about this yesterday. And I said, let me ask you a question. If you go into... If you're in a hotel, and you hit the wrong button to go to the wrong floor,

you know almost immediately by the credenza that you're on the wrong fucking floor. Right. Okay? So this person, Geigeragger says she got off a floor i forget if it was the floor above or the floor below her her apartment it was she was trying to go to home she said she was trying to go home okay does she have a gun drawn on her way into her own apartment well here's the thing so one i don't give a fuck if you're at the tail end of a fucking 48 i've

walked into the goddamn house not knowing my name after playing cards for two days straight but i still knew i was in my goddamn house you know what i mean yeah so okay let's let's give let's just because i'm a pervert here i'm gonna going to walk this out. Let's just say, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on that. Maybe she's on the wrong floor, doesn't realize it. Once you go to a fucking apartment, and you open the door, and you look in, you know that ain't your goddamn house. Right. Immediately.

Yeah. I don't give a fuck how similar the floor plans are you know that ain't your goddamn couch right you know what i'm saying yeah so she goes in there that ain't your mom in the framed picture on the wall shoots botham john twice doesn't give out any commands nothing all that shit that's what this josh brown guy that was the neighbor of the guy the person talked talked about and now the story is after you know fast forward he testifies she gets 10 years the fucking judge gives her a hug right on her way to to get processed or whatever and it's 10 years also if you're a man she probably wouldn't't have even got that. But ten years ain't shit.

Right. For just going in and point blank killing somebody. You said this on the episode last week. If it were the other way around, no one would ever see his ass again. Nobody. He wouldn't come home again. No. He'd be in a hole for the rest of his life. Well, so one of the guys who testified against her, his name is Joshua Brown.

He was Botham John's neighbor. He was killed earlier this week. He's found dead. Two days. Two days after. Right. He had testified and she got sentenced. Right.

And so then the police yesterday had a press conference about it. It was like execution style fucked up, right? Right. He was shot in the mouth and I think in the chest. Bizarre. Yeah. And so the police held a press conference about it, which I thought was completely bizarre. It seemed to me that the entire response of the police and of power in general was like,

we had nothing to do with this. Which is very bizarre to me that they would like lead with that yeah right like i don't know they held a press release to say we had nothing to do with this are you fucking kidding me are you joking more or less they had a press conference about um like their investigation into this saying that they had what three suspects now right and that they had traveled three hours from shreveport louisiana i think to buy drugs and this is chad vigorous had a good tweet about to buy drugs off a man that showed up to court with the dragon ball z t-shirt on the test right right who's supposed to be like this just interstate crime drug kingpin fucking

highway ricky ross just no there's no to buy to buy marijuana none of it makes sense but none of it fucking makes sense who would why would you drive three hours to buy a week ask your question when's the last time you drove to charleston west virginia by way no not it was like four hour four and a half hours so it's like when's the last time you drove to fucking atlanta i won't even go that far for ass. I told you. Three hours is top. And ass does rank higher in the hierarchy of great shit. It's like weed and ass. Especially when you haven't had any.

Anyways, so nothing about this adds up at all. Shocking. Well, Lee Fong's tweet that he's referring to, which is so goddamn funny. Just the way, again, the way it's worded, like I thought it was a joke at first. I was like, oh, a little irony. But no, this is. A touch of irony. It says, the idea that Dallas PD is behind this would mean Dallas PD arranged a fake drug deal worth upwards of $30,000.

Let me stop you right there. Let me stop you right there. Let me stop you right there. Of course. My man Lee has never heard of something called an evidence room, apparently. And the funny thing is, I can just think of, I feel like six examples immediately off the top of my head where I can just think of cops arranging a fake drug deal worth upwards drug deal worth over 30 000 they literally have trainings on how to do this hey they have trainings on how to do this there's a little thing they never heard something called you

operation unite where they literally have a task force that does these things they have they have they have a whole fucking refurbished rehab center where they're putting up people who let me let me tell brother let me tell brother lee something right here if that's happening with city of fucking jenkins pd i promise you dallas pd can pull that off jenkins kentucky and it's also wattsburg kentucky yeah and it's also just what cops do yeah it's the whole point of their existence right it's to trip you up um then arranged a fake shootout in which both brown and one of the assailants were shot shootout i mean the the implication would have to be that he had to have

like some artillery i mean i don't know if he had a gun or whatever but like who else got shot his friends maybe who was with him one of the assailants one of the insurgent yeah yeah i've watched enough movies no as simple as hey you're gonna take one in the arm where it's not gonna kill you yeah they draw straws to see who gets to get one shot a cop took a surface wound in the elbow is that what happened or one of these listen i know this sounds far-fetched and reaching but i can tell you countless stories this should happen i used to be a fire dispatcher i used to have to be around these fucking losers all the time well and um and then the third then arranged a fake confession at the hospital from one of the

assailants that's literally the job of police every police officer has coerced a confession that is their job that is have you never seen fucking any cop movie there's a netflix series about it it's literally called confession right i mean the classic setup of every fucking law and order episode is two cops take you in a fucking room and then they say they tried to like fuck and then the lawyer comes in says not another word it's like dude are you that i mean come on you're reporting for the intercept not fucking the mickey mouse fucking amateur hour fucking dude I don't know. Yes, you're right.

Reporting for this place called The Intercept, and to give power that much leeway, to give them that much credibility, I don't know. Credence, it's like... We have so many examples of cops being criminals that it's... It's like dudes being guys at this point.

You know what I mean? Men being men. I mean, you don't even have to being guys at this point you know what i mean man being man i mean i don't know i mean someone had pointed out the rampart um scandal in the lapd in the late 90s yeah um like and i mean the chicago black sites and i mean just last year i mean and he knows truly to god he knows about all this stuff yeah cops are ruining the fucking world they're they're they have like their own omerta code and everything like you know what i mean you don't snitch on one another yeah you don't roll i mean it's just like it's like a legalized mafia except it's taxpayer funded and we pay them to harass us just to keep us on our toes literally well yeah we pay them to harass us and we pay them to harass us. Just to keep us on our toes. Literally.

Well, yeah, we pay them to harass us and we pay them to protect private property. Right. And to... Another way that the real welfare queens are the wealthy. Yeah. They literally have their own paramilitary force that keeps their property safe. And we foot the bill for it. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know. I mean, just to reiterate, I mean, I don't fucking know. Well, and his mom said, like, there's all these people lined up to say, this kid had never done any of this bullshit. He had no known enemies. Right. Yeah, no known enemies. And it's like Chad pointed out, out like knew he was probably being watched

by the police of course yeah he even was afraid they were going to retaliate like this is documented he had said this yeah man it's pretty fucking no priors yeah um well um yeah man uh cops are terrorists Yeah. Well, yeah, man. Cops are terrorists. They're ruining our lives. Well, the point, and I think you said it when we were on that podcast the other day, Terrence, and I think this is a good piece of advice for anybody. The easiest thing anybody can do to challenge empires is get involved in some sort of prison abolition.

Wherever you're at, because there's ample opportunities to do it ample you know i mean even if you you're not fortunate enough like us to have the radio program or to have like you know a fight you can really plug into anybody can pen pal you can you know go visit people whatever it is i don't know if i would call it fortunate yeah no there's unfortunate you can supply books uh you can i'm just saying it's easier for us i It is. I don't know if I would call it fortunate, but... Or unfortunate. You can supply books. You can... I'm just saying it's easier for us. I mean, it's not fortunate for them, obviously. Right, right, right.

But there are, yeah, there are, and there are plenty of harm reduction. There's a lot of artwork happening with the families of folks who are incarcerated, like in Louisville, Kentucky. There are a lot of really creative programs building toward abolition well this is the important thing of our time too because really and truly I don't know how possible a real revolution would even be in this country until

you dismantled the carceral state until you discredit the police until you trial that down and guess what these people have a fucking sports league dedicated to their veneration you know what I mean which also is powerful enough like that movie Concussion to have supplanted God for full rights to Sundays so I mean

we got our work ahead of us but I think this is the principal cause of our time and the easiest thing for anybody anywhere to plug into yeah yeah no i i absolutely agree i mean i've been trying to follow the supreme court shit going on right now did the supreme court just open like did they just start a new season or something are they like the fucking they look like a baseball team they have like a new they're back in session or whatever um but of course whatever um they're hearing a case about uh whether you can uh whether the term sex in the law that you can't

you can't fire people based on religion, race, sex, blah, blah, blah. Also includes sexuality or queerness or whatever. And I'm just kind of like, so it's basically like, can you fire someone for being trans or queer? And I'm like, they imprison people for being trans and queer. And they kill people for being trans and queer. And they get away with it. I'm like, of course they can fire people i just feel like these things that are held up in court is just like i don't know it just feels like sort of like spectacle or yeah it's just like a spectacle it's like they're straight up of course and they're and no matter

what that's decided they're going to keep firing people for being gay. This is just like how hard it will be for their lawyers to get away with it, you know? Right. Well, I... I don't mean to make... I'm not trying to make it sound dismissive, but... I know what you mean. I mean, it's all pretty fucked up as it is. And it kind of seems surreal to be watching them sort of like debate over it when we already know what the outcome is.

Like, for example, in Kentucky, you can get fired for any fucking reason. I mean, they don't have to have a reason to fire you. They can just fucking fire you. And so it's like, it's very surreal to watch it sort of like become this almost sort of like parlor debate when like in the streets we know what the reality is. But I think that that's getting what you're saying tom it's like uh this is like what i struggle with when people sort of like are dismissive of maybe like reparations or anything like that is that um i mean because there are people on the left and

they make good reasoned arguments as to why reparations wouldn't be something that we would address right now but it's like well it feels like to me any i mean a lot of those types of critiques are sort of rely on the uh well what about the hillbillies what about the poor whites like you're going to turn off the poor whites from some sort of like collective working class consciousness. And I don't think that's like an if and proposition, you know what I'm saying? What will reparations talk? Well, I mean,

I've, I've seen people be like, it's not helpful to like an, like organizing it like a multicultural, like working class movement. Yeah. Like it's a hindrance to that, you know?

Well, I guess my response to that is that, um, if you look at what's going on in the prison system, and I mean really look at it and engage with it, not as something that's just abstract and that we know exists, but actually, like you're saying, try to get involved in engaging with it. I mean, because you'll learn a few things immediately right off the bat. The first is that the control of information in and out of prisons is so regulated. So a lot of the times you don't even know what's going on inside of them. But another one is that we kind of do know what's going on inside of them

and that there's labor. And it's mostly, I mean, it is all slave labor. And they're making things. I mean, like you would in a factory. They really are. It's a production line. i mean like you would in a factory they really are it's a production line um and so uh to me it's like i don't i mean most of those people are black it's like that lester holt thing where he was like standing in a hard to believe this was once a slave plantation and i believe it

and literally there's people behind it picking cotton literally black people behind him so it's like i so i think the point is and this is the point that i guess people like michelle alexander and these people have trying to made over the years is that like jim crow never really ended um and so that that kind of continues the conversation for reparations of the uh yeah or the um i guess argument for it um but what i want to say is that like like, earlier this week, I found out that a guy that I've talked to for years, who was over in Red Onion,

who we used to trade letters with back and forth and used to get phone calls from, I haven't heard from him in a really long time. And I just found this out this week, is that he was transferred to Texas back in the spring. Well, the same thing happened to Kevin Rashid. Yeah. Because we used to

get letters from him all the time when we do the radio show and then just in the cover of darkness they just shift you like to oregon i think i thought they sent him to denver might have been and then they brought him back to virginia um but they do this intentionally um because a lot of these guys that they'll move um they're either doing it um i don't know because mostly it's because they are raising some sort of issue as to the conditions of the prison um and they're raising some type of like consciousness exactly with people with their friends in there right right um and and so it's hard to really like it's hard to overstate like the effect this has on um communities and i think that if you're really trying to build some sort of revolutionary consciousness you really do have

to kind of start there um because like you're saying like you're sort of building a shared power analysis with other people as you're doing it yeah and um and so i don't know i guess we got here from police but the point that you're making is that they're um they're one in the same you know it's one in it's two different ends of a sort of very repressive state police system right yeah i mean i, I mean, I can't remember which episode it was, but our death penalty episode is gruesome and hard to get through, but it's required listening because it's like the deepest, darkest hole of that system. It's like the corporal punishment

in this country is just like a sick twisted fucking basement gig. Yeah. To me the whole corporal punishment thing sort of mirrors

automation to the workforce on the outside. think it what it signals to people on the inside it's like look we can fucking kill you anytime we want to we can make you go away there's nothing so you need to stay in line you need to do this you need to keep making starbucks cups you need to keep making you can be suicided tomorrow yeah yeah you know what i mean in the same way that on the outside it's like automation is just like you know it's an idle thing to say to workers hey you're you're replaceable you're replaceable and what those guys forget is that you know again robots don't buy shit but you know yeah If you're working low wage jobs,

those things can look scary and like they could replace you. Well, you know, it's interesting that like, so like, part of, I think, I don't know. Tom, you sent me that article earlier this week, The Origins of the Police.

Yeah. I thought it was pretty fascinating. Yeah. Um, is it David Whitehouse is the guy that wrote it? Yeah.

So that we can speak confidently after we popped off last week about troopers. A little more info here. Well, yeah, no,

I mean, it had a little bit in there. I don't care if I spread misinformation about police. Maybe. I'll show everybody that they carry like hepatitis A or something like, you know. If you touch one, you're going to get stricken by some plague. Well, I mean, it made an interesting point in there that like there's two sort of functions

to police work. The first is like crowd control. Like a lot of working class politics sort of occur on the streets. And so a lot of the streets therefore have to be heavily regulated and surveilled. And then that connects to the second part, which is beat work.

Like basically the part of routine police work is, like, basically making cops more sort of inert to violence, to using violence, and sort of weeding out the ones that aren't. You know what I mean? Like, from talking to people to sending them into actual crackdowns or something yeah um and so i don't know it's just interesting to see like these systems sort of um in many ways they intervene with our natural sort of interactions with the world and they they turn us into these sort of like automatons who, you know, are then deployed for sort of the violent ends

or whatever. Yeah. You'll say sometime. No. I got nothing. Wait, so beat working. What was the other thing you said? Crowd control.

Which one of those? Where does $30,000 drug setups cut me into that? That's a good point. definitely a part of their work well now there's like murder for hire racketeering like the same people that they're out there busting like the motorcycle gangs and whoever else they're doing that shit like they're doing the exact same thing right that that is something interesting to talk about it's like these like outlaw outfits that revile the police. How did the police have duplicated them and long to be one of them? All cops fucking ride motorcycles and wear Sons of Anarchy cuts on the weekends.

It's like, if you're not, they hate you. You know what I mean? To me, police are just like the arch comedic figures of our time. It's like they think, they've fallen for the classic rich people thing where they think that they are buddies with the affluent. When really they have contempt for them and they don't, you know, you don't make anything as a police officer. They're the hired help. Right. They're the

help to keep the rabble in line to keep their property safe and meanwhile everybody fucking hates you like that's what i wanted to tell anybody out there that's wearing a fucking police uniform today you're the biggest fucking joke that ever existed i think everyone loves them and can't wait to have a parade when they die no you're the biggest patsy you know what i mean it's just like it's so funny they get 10 off at mcdonald's yeah no if you're if you're normal you will hate the police yeah if you are if you're cool you'll hate you'll hate them well there's you know uh uncool people like police people you don, do not ever trust somebody who likes the police. Just don't ever do it.

I think there's two, maybe three types of people in this world. And the first one is, and to borrow that sort of line from that commune piece about William Vaughn, what's the last name of the guy that did the ice raid? William Vaughn Van... Sprout. Sprout and Sprout and Sprouton, I think. Yeah. last name the guy that did the ice the ice raid will and von van sprout sprout and sprouting sprouting i think yeah i just i don't know how to pronounce his last name there's those people that have that unshakable unshakable you know um abhorrence for injustice and then you have no i'm serious and and then you have people that are completely indifferent to that and then you have people that could be worn in the balance and that's i think i think that's what the i think that's what it looks like and i don't know

i think everybody needs to have that conviction that you just that you just you can't stand the side of that of any of that kind of stuff anywhere and and the question becomes i think how do you go from a place of because i feel like everybody on the left feels crazy you know what i mean it's like what can we do like we know practically what we should be doing is fucking every ice agent. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

But let's be honest. Practical. Let's just keep it a practical option. But most of us, myself included, aren't going to do that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's like most of us aren't willing to give like pay that ultimate price. We have to dismantle the prison system first so we don't go there.

Yeah. I mean, that's the you know that's the whole fucking point all right i i'm all for stigmatizing cops and everything they stand for man i mean seriously um i mean i hate to pathologize people too much because we live in a system and people are you know we live in a society and people are more um you know driven by the systems in which they exist rather their own sort of personal pathologies but um but really though don't never trust anybody who wants to be a cop here's a question um i feel like I was on this train for a while. I hate to say the hashtag when I was a liberal. But as a tactic to dismantle the police and the prison industrial complex, one of the tactics I have seen and tried to use myself is like participatory budgeting.

Trying to figure out how to get a hold of budgets city budgets county budgets state budgets so that we're rerouting this money away from cops and defunding them do you think that's even possible it's one of the platforms of the black lives matter policy platform is like figure out yeah figure out um who's making decisions about money and influence them or become them something like reroute money because that feels like a more it's at least a more I know a uh a option that seems at least more feasible in theory than murder at this point well yeah i mean you gotta stay staying out of jail is a good generally a good thing but it's like uh yeah it's it's hard because entire state tax codes are structured such that the majority of

tax revenues get funneled into that's right please yeah like it's direct it's not even but they're not even leaving it to budgets anymore for you know city councils to decide it's like any money spent in a restaurant or something and most towns go that tax goes straight to the cops police have prioritized over basic services that's just the truth about anywhere yeah everywhere well shout out to all those people who are having some successes with participatory budgeting i'm pretty sure there are some boroughs in New York City that are doing pretty good with it but so maybe it's a tool in the canon well maybe the um so I guess the point here that you're trying to draw though Tom is that um if you see this you're outraged by you want to do something about it prisons are the most effective location for sort of organizing some kind of well because

it's I think it checks a lot of boxes also Also, in addition to what we've talked about, it's also just sort of a choke point for labor too. Right, yeah. I mean, and also, you will be building some sort of shared power analysis with, I don't know, other people who are doing that

and with people who are in prisons. And also, if you're one of these people that beats their head against the wall that thinks that class analysis and race analysis are not compatible or like it's one or the other type thing, this is where this intersects. This is where you can get some clarity about that. You're exactly right. Because it all comes together there. All of the sort of like contradictions of our society and the sort of lies about what we tell ourselves are sort of laid bare in the prison system.

This is, yeah, in the prison system is an immigration issue, obviously. And the prison system is a reproductive justice fucking issue. We have, there are literally women in ICE, I'm pretty sure like 20 some women in ICE detention centers this year delivered babies in cuffs. Jesus Christ. Shackled to the bed. Damn. Or went and were in labor for hours before they ever received medical care. They let them labor for hours.

So this is really, this is where it all comes down. It is certainly a huge intersection. For hours. So this is, this is really, this is where it all comes together. This is where it is. It is a, it is certainly a huge intersection. Yeah. Whatever you think is important and worth focusing on all comes together here. And God forbid you'd be trans and be put into the fucking, even be,

even be fingerprinted. Be put in the back of a cop car. God bless you. Well, one thing I can tell you for sure that won't work is um spending a lot of time caring about impeachment impeachment will in fact do nothing to shift the prison industrial yeah because guess what doesn't matter if fucking um is in there or Elizabeth Warren.

Anybody to the right of Bernie is going to be. I mean, I don't know, but Bernie does have a pretty good criminal justice. Wait, is Bernie even going to still be in this, though? This is the question on the back of everyone's mind, Tom. You're the hypochondriac, so tell us. I want to say something. I want to say something. Your medical correspondence.

If Bernie wants to stay in it, if he feels like he's fit enough to stay in it, You're the hypochondriac, so tell us. I want to say something. I want to say something. You're a medical correspondent. If Bernie wants to stay in it, if he feels like he's fit enough to stay in it, I'd take Bernie in a goddamn Acme Looney Tunes fucking iron lung over an able-bodied fucking anybody else in the other way. I mean, if we're gunned or whatever we're choosing, okay? I mean, I'd take Bernie fucking on his deathbed with a fucking, you know, 36 pulse over any of these motherfuckers. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. But I feel like having a heart attack on the campaign trail is really not good. Quote 2019 Terrence Ray. Having a heart attack on the campaign trail. I saw the video of him coming outside. People asking about him. And him talking about he's going to slow down and all this stuff. And you can tell that he's, like, beating himself up because he said he ignored the signs for a while.

That, you know, he was getting fatigued over the last couple of weeks and all this stuff. And he was pushing himself. And, you know, Bernie's a fairly energetic cat for his age. Yeah. So you can tell he feels like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. And he feels like he might have chubbed it. pushing himself and you know bernie's fairly energetic cat for his age yeah so you could tell he feels like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders and he feels like he might have chubbed it but you know whether he stays in i don't i don't see him dropping out uh is he polling any differently i'm sure joke to ask a question about a poll i'm sorry he could be he should be going down to the tom steyer regimen of campaigning

you know just do like one or just do like um just go on npr every week go on npr on point maybe do like three or four actual public public talk about civility talk about civility talk about how that we need uh you know carbon offsets and uh greenhouse gas sequestration go on the ellen degeneres show right yeah me and tom uh were listening to like on point the other day and he was on there um it's just saying the dumbest shit what was he saying he was he was like he's a hedge fund millionaire he was trying to, billionaire. Billionaire. He was trying to bro out on the like, you know, talking about his bona fides about how he was out there on the climate march with like the students and all that stuff. Oh, for fuck's sake.

Literally a couple months before this, there's LA Times runs a story about how he made millions and millions in coal and natural gas. She's like, I'm sorry. Like, you can pick one or the other. You can't have it all yeah well he was trying to make an impassioned plea or sort of like impassioned like call to arms to the people like we need to rise up and we need to take back like the atmosphere and the environment we need to stop polluting the environment good call tom oh fuck but bernie was doing like four public appearances like a day or something

like that four rallies a day that's ridiculous like big like you know it's crazy fucking thousands of people turning out type shit. Yeah, it's pretty badass. Unfortunately, wouldn't it be a fitting fucking ending if this whole thing just ended because of one blocked artery? You're not getting your student debt because of one blocked artery. Because Bernie decided to tarry a little too long with the hot dogs,

to be able to fare. Oh my god. No, I mean, fuck. You know, the thing is, is again if he if he decides to stick this out and stay in it i think we have to stay with him i think you know if he feels like he's up to it i mean fuck goddamn uh george bush had some stints put in not too long ago and everybody's fucking his buddy this week he's got a million bodies on his hands everybody's his buddy this week i tweeted that i was like man that's too earnest i'm immediately embarrassed that that popped off

and i was like i'm just joining the chorus here but then i was like but it's true you know it's fucking like these people deserve something worse than a fucking shunning like they deserve to be fucking like in their fields yeah um so the point i guess the larger point though is uh impeachment's not going to uh end what we've got going on with the prison system i do love that the white house has officially said they will not be cooperating with any impeachment inquiry. Not fucking doing it. Not, just not doing it. Do what you want.

Not doing it. It's bogus. It's a sham. It's a scam. Not. Who's the, like, who's even the comms person now? It's not still a girl, is it? I don't know who it is anymore.

Who's their comms? Who's the White House communications director? I don't think it's still Sarah. No, it's not Mike Huckabee's daughter. No, she's not still a girl, is it? I don't know who it is anymore. Who's the White House Communications Director? I don't think it's still Sarah. No, it's not Mike Huckabee's daughter. No, she's not. Her daughter-in-law or whoever she was. She's crying in a corner somewhere. Well, they really are digging in.

And it makes me wonder, like, if this will eventually get too messy to the point that even McConnell doesn'tnell doesn't want anything to do with it you know what i mean like i start to wonder if some republicans if this would be the thing that brings him down because they're making such an absolute mess out of the whole thing they're just behaving so erratically and his tweets are next level well it's yeah it's like him and giuliani they've kind of like developed this shared mentality that they're like backed into a corner and so it's just been really kind of unnerving to watch them try to throw out every trick in the Trump hand like this week he basically admit it and said I'll do it a lot yeah well he's going back like this week of course I did that's my job that's my job well he went you know he's gone back to this like uh

you know hillary i'll beat her again he's drug hillary back into this let's talk about let's talk about don't tempt me for just a second he said don't tempt me no hillary's response to that tweet oh yeah don't tempt me to run again this dumb ass i'm gonna tell you terence we were talking about this in the group thread that like if bernie's out and this shit is going to pot anyway a part of me i don't like mind you but it would be pretty fucking hilarious to see hillary clinton run again win the nomination and fucking lose again because that's exactly what happened joe biden's it joe biden's immediately rendered neutered okay if hillary's in yeah liz warren might as well pack

it up and go to the white does she still have time you can still you can still pop in i guess anytime you want to what's the deadline i mean i don't know but don't tempt me amazing what these people think of themselves honestly god give me the confidence of a fucking clinton who thinks in their mind it's always 1997 right which i mean honestly um the clintons bear honestly the clintons and reagan they bear more responsibility for the expansion of the police state than then yeah well i mean i guess uh you've also got bush and joe bodden that guy in france from our france it was fighting the leftists with his umbrella. Yeah. There's a lot of culpability here.

Joe Biden's stupid ass has been like, yeah, we made some mistakes. We can see now it wasn't the worst. It wasn't the greatest. But what did you want? People were out here just like gangs were out of control. What I want is for you to go to and spend fucking 16 years in Angola for your fucking complicity and war crimes. I want you to fucking pick cotton you fucking disintegrating piece of shit he really is i mean he's seizing on live

television and his skin and eyeballs are just melting off and his teeth are falling he's a skeleton he's a skeleton just a walking skeleton um folks we can't kick people off their insurance. I'm not doing it, and I won't do it. I guess if Bernie is out of it, I guess, yeah, it really does come down to... I won't do it. Biden and Warren. Fuck it all. I'm going to go. I ain't saying it.

I'm not speaking it to speaking into existence well just last week terrence was ready to go campaign for bernie in ohio well here's what's going to happen well then he had a heart attack listen bernie's bernie's gonna go plant-based we're gonna reverse that fucking coronary artery disease and we're gonna get him lying down oh yeah i heard somebody say this week that the right diet can cure cancer. Well, it is true. Vegan diets do cure coronary artery disease. That's documented.

So he's going to get on some vegan mac and cheese. He's just going to be shoving nutritional use down the hatch. Now Clinton's going keto. That's probably going to finish him off. High protein is going to knock him off. Yeah, they'll get Bernie in. They'll get him right. But can he win without eating hot dogs at festivals?

Can he? In America. Make mine made out of cashews and soy. Yeah, they'll plant their own hot dogs. It'll be a gluten-free bun they've uh ordered from california right grass-fed yeah beef my sister's a keto she's like a keto queen and i mean literally sometimes i show up she's like oh no i can't do none of that i'm i'm i'm in ketosis she's literally tracking she. And I tell Bob, I say,

she's ketosed, honey. She can't get nothing out of her right now. I stayed in ketosis for two years before. And basically what it amounts to is you feel achy all the time and your pee smells like fucking kitty litter. What does that mean? Well, she's ketosed half the time.

And she went so nuts, she ordered gluten-free bread from a bakery in california had it shipped to lexington kentucky oh my god ketosis is when when ketones you build up ketones in your body and you run on ketones instead of carbohydrates carbohydrates break down the sugar glucose in your blood uh-huh This whole thing's making me hungry. Fascinating. But ketones run off of fat. So that's why you lose a lot of fat. So it burns your fat?

Right. Oh. Does it work? Yeah, it works. The changes are not subtle, but I'm not persuaded it's very good for you. Long term. Long term. I think it's a good diet for somebody to stay on like three to six months.

Long term. for somebody to stay on like three to six months but i especially it's it's really i think meant for people who uh their health risk associated with obesity or diabetes are more or outweigh their cholesterol numbers and stuff like that outweigh the possible side effects of ketosis i see you know like if you really need to drop pounds because it's like fat around your heart is threatening your life. So how do you initiate the ketosis process inside your body?

My sister is skinny as a rail, but we're big boned, god damn, so she still raises a size 12 and it's a mental problem at this point. And her belt cuts right into her hip bones. And I'm like, you can't get no smaller. That's just how you build, baby.

This is just how you build. This is how we are, sis. It's how we are. What are you going to do? Ain't nowhere else to go. So you have to eat a certain diet to make it? Basically, you need to stay under. It depends how severe you want to go with

it but basically under 100 carbs a day but most people on ketogenic diet stay under 30 or even less carbohydrates a day so yeah you know interesting well i'll have to remember that when you need to drop a few when did they discover it i mean it's just it's just so crazy to me that you can make your body do something totally different than a... Like, I wish there was an equivalent for anxiety. Why can't you fucking stop the anxiety? Aren't there anti-anxiety diets? Yeah, there's anti-anxiety diets. I've tried every diet there is.

I should be on an anti-inflammation diet for my back. Your back was pretty fucked up on tour. It was. I was having back spasms on tour. It's not good. It's not a good look. I had a back spasm while we were walking on the sidewalk and Terrence walked into me. I was like,

sorry man, I can't move right now. That's how bad we were. I hope I didn't hurt you No it's fine It was basically a chiropractor Just slammed into me Got me right No I had to get back on my yoga regime

Damn I've never done yoga Oh it's good Damn Well we're talking about yoga Which means we've reached the bottom of the barrel, folks. It's the end. Let's go ahead and put a bow on it. Wrap her up.

Barney 2020. Yeah, I've never done yoga. That's wild. You know your conversations reach the end when you're just saying. That's crazy. That's wild, man. That's crazy. That's crazy, man.

Damn, dude, that's crazy. Woo! Damn, Derek, can you dude. That's crazy. Woo! Damn, Derek. Can you believe it? All right. Well, I don't know what to plug. Is there anything, Tom? Just the Patreon.

I don't think we have anything else to plug. Are we sold out of T-shirts, Tom? Can people get T-shirts? I've not finished. Let me just address this real quick because I've gotten a lot of questions but the shirts I'm working in batches here but I've sent out a lot of shirts I've sent I'm gonna send out more tomorrow if you don't get yours by the end of next week then start sending me messages but I just want to get that out there we're a small

operation here we don't hire anybody because we're not small business tyrants. Here's the trade-off. Tom's doing it himself. Me and Tom went on this podcast called Reply Guys. I think it's pretty good. Check that out. I had good answers to things for once in my life.

Usually I have bad answers. You come home with a sense of accomplishment well every time i go in this podcast this podcast i like sound like a dumbass but when i go on other people's podcasts i'm like oh yeah i'm smart i can you're an expert i know some things i'm smart but you assholes just make me look like a dummy i got it we render him to talking about just yeah you guys don't help me with layups. I'm helping you all the time, and you're dunking and shit,

but I'm back here fucking... I'm making plays happen and stuff, but you're never setting me up for any plays. Oh, my God. Do you hear him dragging us? He is rating us for filth. Well, I've got no response to that right now. We don't have enough assists.

I'm not getting them from you. Sorry. Wow. Sorry. Wow. Amazing. Neither of you. Wild. I'm over here in the corner just getting not passed to.

Complete lack of respect. Yeah. He just set you up today for a story about his aunt. I said, actually, if you dial back the record, I set him up. Oh, for God's sake.

And then I passed it back to him and then he passed it back to him it was one of those situations where you pass the ball one too many times and turn it over no it was good we didn't turn it over

it was it wasn't a flashy slam dunk or anything but it was a nice little layup finish yeah yeah it just kept things

moving along but anyways go and listen to us be smart on the other podcast because this isn't where you go to learn things. This show is not where you go to learn things. True.

That's just where you go to get stoned with your buddies. Yeah, this is a problem. You knew better than to get us stoned. You didn't have to accept it. Now I have cotton mouth. You didn't have to accept it. Now I have cotton mouth. You didn't have to accept it. I just said, hey, a little toque.

I didn't even say that. I think I just held it out to you. Now she's powerless. She's physically addicted to the good times. Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to peer pressure you. No, you didn't. Did I get you high against your will?

Yeah, he held me down. Blew smoke in my face. Son of a bitch. Fucking, you're gonna fucking get high. Tonya's just a little pot. Saved by the bell. Yeah. He turned it into a THC tincture,

put it in my water. I've been roofied. Well, I'm sorry. Anyways. I can't believe I didn't even tell you I went to a wax museum yesterday. Where at? Dollywood? Pigeon Forge, honey.

Pigeon Forge. Do you know the difference between Pigeon Forge and Dollywood? I'm going to be honest with you. I do not. Which one did you go to? Battle of Tucson? Hollywood Wax Museum. Yeah, I've been to that one.

The only memory I have is they used to have the monsters in there. I don't know if they still do. They do not. They did have a really good horror. They had Legend, the devil from Legend in there. And they had Halloween and Friday the 13th. All them motherfuckers. My favorite was the Crypt Keeper.

They had the fucking Crypt Keeper. I love that little bastard. And they had Alien in there. I love that little bastard. They had the fucking crib keeper. So nostalgic. My dad loved that shit. Tales from the Crib.

Oh, yeah. We watched it together. That shit is tiny. What other celebs did they have in the Wax Museum? Oh, you know, they had Dolly and Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. No Brad Pitt. Johnny Depp. They did have Jennifer Aniston.

Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. No Brad Pitt. Johnny Depp. They did have Jennifer Aniston. And they had both Matthew McConaughey and Owen Wilson. They have Justin Bieber? Nope. They had Al Capone.

I don't hear. I see. I hear only white people. Amazing. They had Beyonce. They had Prince. The Prince was really good, actually. And they had Michael Jackson. Someone needs to cancel Dolly for not having

Wow For having Michael Jackson in there I don't know about that Let's protest the wax museum Let's boycott it Is Michael Jackson too interwoven Into American culture to At to be canceled at this point would it be too difficult to like pry apart and tear apart how deep he's gone into american

man we were at the claremont lounge and that dj was on fire and then he played want to be starting something i immediately went to is this before or after on these it's before because that was on it's okay to listen to pre-pedophile Michael is that your official position I ain't touching this I think that's a good standard Tom

I think that works you're not going to listen to Jackson 5 Michael ever again I do I listen to regular old Michael now if it comes on the radio I don't think you're going to listen to Jackson 5, Michael, ever again? I do. I listen to regular old Michael now if it comes on the radio. I don't turn my radio off. Damn.

Get this out. You think we need to cut it out? I mean, because like Man in the Mirror is fully pedo Michael Jackson. It's full. It's like Man in the Mirror is the dangerous album. I ain't going there. And it's thriller season. I mean, you can even hear that Man in the Mirror... It's thriller pre-Pito?

I think thriller. Probably around the time he was getting into it. I'm just kidding. I think it was pre. Late 80s, early 90s is what we're talking about here. Like Moonwalker, the movie, to like, you know, and forward. Look, just look at the lyrics to Men in the Mirror. It's basically about being a pedo.

I actually, R. Kelly came on the radio the other day and I did change it. It pissed me off. I heard his voice. I was like, fuck you, R. Kelly. And I changed it. But I don't do that to Michael. I hadn't really sat with this with myself, honestly. Well, it's like that thing me and Tom.

Well, me and Tom, weren't we all talking about this the other day? I thought we were all talking about this. I don't think so. The difference, you know, Michael Jackson is like, what he did is very heinous, to say the least. And we've known it for years. We've known for decades. We've known right in front of our goddamn

eyes for decades the man i mean okay i'm gonna i'm gonna go down a limb here and quote cat williams who's the foremost authority on the issue he said you know i'm gonna paraphrase him of course but i have silk pillows at my house silk sheets and stuff not because i give a fuck about sheets but because bitches do and i want bitches to feel at home in my house what would you put in your house if you wanted little boys to feel comfortable at your house an amusement park a roller coaster that's kat williams take on the can't disagree. No, it was going on in front of our very eyes, right in front of us. But he also, unlike R. Kelly, single-handedly changed the direction of music. Yeah, unlike R. Kelly.

Unlike R. Kelly. Yeah. Who just made a few catchy songs. We can get rid of those. We can totally cut R. Kelly out. But like James Brown and Michael Jackson. For me, James Brown is equally right. James Brown's a hard one.

Bad, bad, bad. No good. But also just the greatest. Exactly. His influence is interwoven so much into American culture at this point it would be almost impossible to... You just can't idolize people.

I mean, this is just the classic, like, you know, this discussion pops up about once every six months. Is it alright to watch Woody Allen movies? That kind of shit. You know what I mean? Dude, it is so... You remember, like... Why bother? You remember, like, at the Oscars like a year or two ago, when

the celebs all took that selfie together you remember that and it was retweeted like eight billion times yeah i got that same creepy feeling today when i saw all the celebs like lining up behind ellen you know what i mean like you go ellen you nailed it you fucking did it girl you. It's just so weird. It's just like... Oh, did she have a comeback today? She had a thing about... Well, I think it was yesterday or maybe a few days ago.

She said something about Bush? Yeah. She said, we disagree on a lot of things, but we're buds. I hope you disagree on a lot of things. Shut up, Ellen. She said something like that.

Portia's too good for her. But it was like a bunch of things. Shut up, Ellen. She said something like that. Portia's too good for her. But it was like a bunch of celebs were basically like, this is the message we need right now. This is the message we need right now, Ellen.

We're so divided. Anybody that says divided just needs to shut the fuck up. Divided implies there's an aisle. There's not been an aisle in fucking ever really

yeah the story of it all is the same story that our pal Karl Marx wrote about and it's always been that with you know little window dressing here and little there but it's basically the same all their material means are the same

hmm alright well we gotta go little window dressing here and a little there, but it's basically the same. All the material means are the same. Hmm. Alright. Well, we gotta go for real this time. Thank you for listening, everybody. Bye! We'll see you next time. See you later!