Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 146: The Buzz Dosage

Episode Date: May 14, 2020

This week it's Dylan 2 Dylan, peehole parasites, and more scolding from the old New Left. Surely there's a throughline somewhere in there. Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

So I've been amusing myself the past few days or so. Don't get too graphic, please. Yeah, don't get too graphic. Immediately both our instincts were right in that end. With the thought of Bob Dylan having a conversation with his son jacob dylan like what do you think that sounds like do you know jacob dylan right tanya yeah it's to the tune of wallflowers that's how they communicate is that me and cinderella in the middle? With one headlight. Wait, go ahead and say that to her.

Her just got picked on at school today, son. He's like, yeah, dad. I like how Jacob Dillon talks exactly like his father. He does. He talks exactly like him. I swear it's not my marijuana, Dad. Well, I found it in your dresser, Jacob. Oh, my God.

Could you imagine them having a... Could you imagine Bob Dillon telling his son Jacob Dillon about the birds and the bees? Like, how does it feel? Dad, how are babies made? Well, son. I thought dads just showed their sons porn and gave them condoms.

That's just what you want to believe. We actually have nuanced discussions about consent and other i wish that's not what boys tell me when they come to my sex ed class i don't know what kind of sex ed they're getting at home but i got the best sex at church yeah from a magic man yeah a man that could wad up a ketchup bottle and throw it in the trash. This dick, now you see it, now you don't.

That's sex. It's a disappearing act. Wow. My God. What are you using to do? What's that noise? What noise? Dad, I want this car.

It's got one headlight. That's the... That's when it came to him. When he wanted his first car. Well, son, we can afford a little bit better than that. He's like, no, that's what I want. Son, I've sold billions of records. We can get you one with two headlights.

This is the stupidest fucking bit I think I've ever... I'm trying to do something with how does it feel. How does it feel to be of drinking age? It feels pretty good, Dad. Me and my friends drank a lot of schnapps last night. Oh, my God. Stop. Our schnapps?

Peppermint schnapps And uh Sangria wine MD 2020 Oh dude I'm sorry Tony doesn't find this amusing at all And Tom's destroyed. I knew Tom would appreciate this one.

I really... I had it cooking in the oven for the past 24 hours. I was like, Tom's going to like it. For Tom, specifically. Oh, God damn it. Okay. All right. talk specifically okay all right uh well welcome to the show this week we are broadcasting on may the 13th 2020 how how are you doing is that what today is? Yes. Oh, wow. Yes, it is. Fuck. It's today? The 13th?

Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, shit. Damn. Is it 2020? Is this thing on? Fuck. No, how's it going out in your parts of the world, eh? Oh, about the same.

I'll tell you what I'm doing. I am getting... This is going to sound really basic, but I am basic, ultimately. I mean, I'm making bread like everybody else, but I'm also getting really into composting. Composting is a lot of fun. And not just that, i spent probably four hours yesterday

digging holes around my house looking for earthworms are you joking no i'm not to put in the compost to put in my various uh p-hole to put into my p-hole various i have i have every orifice of my body currently stuffed over i have a buddy my buddy nick peed in a river in ecuador one time and got that spiny fish that goes up in your urethra and then like spreads its tentacles absolutely not he did not he absolutely did not yeah he did i swear he did so it it goes up in there and just grabs onto the walls of the urethra and just doesn't... Wow. Sort of like a six-year-old going down a slide on the playground, just putting legs and arms out. Oh, my God.

Right, exactly. Except those legs and arms are like razor blades. Apparently. Fascinating. I want this. Can I have this? All you got to do is go pee in a river in Ecuador. That's a certain fish or something that lives there in the river.

I mean, it's maybe the only pee hole problem you don't have, Terrence. Well, at this point, I want as B-hole problems as possible like you gotta lean yeah you have to lean into it it's like if you have brain cancer you might as well just fucking if you got lung cancer you might as well smoke a fucking carton of cigs is that how you feel if you got lung cancer you just keep smoking A little light. You don't want to treat your already existing conditions, you want more conditions to go ahead and... Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that more conditions

take your mind off of the conditions you already have, so bring them on. Like, if you just... If you exponentially increase the magnitude of your conditions over time, the current conditions you have will become diminished in your mind. So like five years ago, I was really freaked out about heartburn. But now that's like in the rearview mirror.

I still have it just as bad as I did five years ago. But you don't care. But I don't care as much as i you know that's a good point that is a good point it's like if you have something mildly nagging and wrong with you just go get something more serious take your mind off that that's my philosophy yeah maybe that's why i've been watching horror movies scary shows yeah no yeah you lean into it. Well, it sort of

diminished the horror of life around you. Yeah, like if I'm going to have bad dreams, I'd rather they just be about crazy stuff. Crazier than what's really happening.

Yeah. Well, I, um, the earthworms. So, uh, the reason I've been putting them in your orifices and putting them in my orifices

is because I have a garden I'm starting a garden now and um they're good for soil obviously but I've been putting them in the pots you know because i'm growing stuff in containers but also in the ground and so in the containers they're good because they poop out their poop has a lot of nitrogen in it which is really good for plants plants really

like nitrogen it aerates the soil so um i could just order a big bag of earthworm poop online but i'm doing a diy with what i have around me see what i'm saying i see what you're saying yeah it's pretty ingenious hootman has a compost maker out here in the yard. It's like a compost machine. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've got a little compost bin. Yeah. It's like it does whatever it's supposed to do.

I don't know. It makes hummus. Not the stuff that you buy at the store, but the dark, rich, nutrient-rich stuff that you put in your garden yeah and that is why we were using the hand tiller i gave you we were using it in the compost bin i see i see i've i've got an update on the peahole fish yeah i'd like to hear it's called the kandiru and it's a parasitic freshwater catfish actually in the family trichomystridae

ah yes trichomystridae which makes sense because there's the STD it's trichosomething they call it trich you know what I'm talking about I'm sure they do call it trick. Well, I mean, it probably has something to do with the pee hole.

If this thing is from the family trick or something, and the STD is also called trick or something, the trick probably has something to do with the pee hole anyway. It's like the Birmingham trick or something. It's probably got some name like that, some place name. The Indianapolis trick. like that some place name indianapolis trick it's it's also called the amazonian toothpick fish and the amazonian vampire fish wow found found in bolivia brazil colombia ecuador and peru but but here's where here's where i have to call nick's account into question

although lurid anecdotes of attacks on humans abound very few cases have been verified and some alleged traits of the fish have been discredited as myth or superstition okay nick so for example swimming up your p-hole and no it does it does that but it's just not like often okay so it's extremely it's extremely rare for this statistically it would very likely not happen to you if you peed in a river in ecuador but it did happen to him in short if one urinates in the amazon while their genitalia is submerged and exposed the risk is elevated from impossible to improbable. That's all I want.

That's all I want. Somebody named Silvio said it happened to them, but such leg-crossingly horrific tales have haunted the region for generations. Leg-crossingly? I'd like to go ahead and rehabilitate the Kandiru myself it's kind of like you always hear urban legends

of people getting like ticks in their dicks that allegedly did happen to Joel that allegedly did happen to somebody we know but I don't know if that's true or not maybe that's true or not but oh jb it does seem like that's what's happened maybe that's what's wrong with him now

well i think the severe genital version of lyme disease i think that it's probably pretty common in folklore for stories of things getting in people's pee holes specifically men's because the men the male pee hole is I mean it's pretty big. I knew a guy who could put a battery in his pee hole for example. But the female pee hole is a little bitty.

It's a little tiny thing. Interesting. I had a recurring nightmare about some Slavic types that had me in a dungeon and stuck coffee stirrer in my pee hole one time. I'll tell you this. I have to abandon. I think I have some sort of latent sort of anti-Slavic thing in the back of my mind.

I need purge from me. Could you imagine Jacob Dillon telling his dad about the first wet dream he had? Like, Dad, I woke up with something in my underwear this morning. Let me see it, son. Pull your pants down. Dear God. Let's see. Hey, how does it feel?

Hey, how does it feel hey how did it feel oh my god oh my god anyway i i i'm whatever phobic of eastern europeans is i'm afraid i'm that because uh the venda viper tale freaks me out. You know the Vinda Viper? Yeah, that has origin in Eastern European. It is rooted in anti-Slavic sentiment, I'm afraid. Yes. I just want to extend an apology

to my Slavic friends and let the healing begin right now. Well, there are many similarities between eastern europe and appalachia you know eastern europe like no that's western i don't know my job is slovakia not wales slovenia slovenia czech republic yeah s Yeah, Slovakia's not a thing. I had a boss from Latvia. You're getting warmer.

I think that's more like near Russia. Russia's kind of pretty much Eastern Europe. Yeah. I mean, I guess you would call it Eurasia, but... Eurasia. Hey. Hey. That's a lot.

Son. I need a sweater. BRB. Better than in the middle. Me and Cinderella. Do you imagine he's like trying to get his learner's permit? Dad, they say a licensed driver over the age of 21 has got to be with me at all times. Could you do that for me?

Sure, son, but only if you get two headlights god help us oh wow that was good that my mind was really unfunny i'm sorry also let me say just because y'all didn't laugh enough i i have no ironic bigotry toward the slavic people just so y'all know I kind of feel flat I don't know if I should laugh at that or not Thank you for clarifying Mr. Sexton We appreciate your candor I think Tanya froze I'm here

Oh okay Am I froze? Okay Yeah we see you um well welcome welcome to the show here we are according to terrence it's may 13th news to me um i don't know about you gals, but, um, but it, I, so for maybe like two weeks, I was kind of like on the down, downward trend of feeling really, uh, sort of, you know, like you have that feeling in the back of your mind that I think probably it stems from

PTSD or something. That like things are about to get really bad. You got this like dark pit in your stomach. Maybe you call it anxiety or maybe you call it residual PTSD or whatever. But I feel. Maybe you've given it a name. Maybe you've given it a name called the thousand year stare. There's that.

Whatever you want to call it. It was really following me around for a few days. Well, weeks really. From about late March to, I don't know, about two weeks ago. And then it kind of let up. From about late March to, I don't know, about two weeks ago. And then it kind of let up. But it's fully back after the last few days.

I'm not entirely sure why. Black pill nation, baby. So. BPN. You mean your sorrow had plateaued? And now it's back. Now it's peaking again well i i saw a tweet today that was like it had like a thousand retweets or something but it was like um that realization when you

when you realize this isn't just a three-month inconvenience but the defining moment of your generation and it's like you're just finding this out in may like that i blew through that about oh six weeks ago oh yeah um you know not to knock people who haven't come to that realization yet but um catch up people i'm i'm i'm unique in my sorrow and misery um but i think that like if you live in america maybe this person lived in like canada it's entirely possible that this person lived in canada because it depends on where you live in the world i mean we are all experiencing this and every like nook and cranny of the world this is a global experience perhaps possibly the very first of its kind a a um sort of uh i don't know a global shock um of both economic and biological proportions that the entire world feels um whereas in the past know, just parts of the world probably were affected by various crises.

This might be the very first one where every square inch of the planet is affected. Right? I mean, I don't know. Maybe the Great Depression and World War II was a similar sort of all-encompassing experience. I'm not sure. But I guess depending on where you live in the world i'm not sure i wasn't alive you're the historian if you don't know i sure as fuck don't well anyways depending on where you live in the world you're experiencing it differently and i think think Americans are probably, if you were to zoom out to the global level,

we and the UK and probably France, Spain, and Italy are probably, we probably look like rabid dogs. Just froth coming out of our mouths. Wild-eyed and bloodshot yeah this morning my pillow talk was about uh china because all this like china talk is so scary of them just like shitting on china every chance they get in the news trump just being i thought that's going a different direction tanya i was white knuckling trump just being like a complete maniac as usual but anyway we were we were sort of joking that we should probably just learn chinese but then which we should we should know

i should know more than one language. It's really sad. Anywho, that's a whole other hour. But, Majella, I mean, we were, I won't get into all that we were joking about. But Majella said, anybody with half a brain can look over here into America, she meant, and tell we're mostly hostages. We have no loyalty. We're being held hostage here and i honest to god now i'm just gonna start as like considering us just a country full of hostages at this point i think it's pretty accurate yeah we're just like it honestly it made more sense to me than most things I've read or heard in the last six weeks. The problem is, though, is that it's impossible to convince your fellow Americans that you are in the hostage situation together.

Yeah. Like, society is fracturing on so many different fronts ideologically and geographically and and um emotionally and spiritually and materially that it's i mean we're we are truly a nation of 250 million individuals nothing in common pretty much no no shared experiences or values no there is no social cohesion no care for one another i mean like tom was texting me the other day like uh about how like you know y2k was a crisis that was on the horizon and was an actual crisis and was averted because of you know coordinated response and planning and adjustment for it like that couldn't happen now there's no like all like all the boners out there that are like we

need to unite as a country like what in the fuck about this country do you think there's no like all like all the boners out there that are like we need to unite as a country like what in the fuck about this country do you think there's like has the raw materials for some sort of uh america first coalition whatever you know not that we would want that but i'm saying like even under like your ideal circumstances what makes you think that's doable yeah and what about this country is worth uniting around and i guess that was to your point but jesus well and it was the kentucky wildcats which are canceled yeah definitely which we ain't got right now which we don't have uh i feel like though um we recorded recently and i kind of was having like a epstein like meltdown about the u.s response to this and and and it's

just incredible like no one even comes no one even comes close i I mean, we have 80, 84,000, 84,000 deaths. I mean, the closest is the UK with 33,000. I mean, like, it's not even close. And we are open for fucking business. Like, what, yeah, what is, what do people say? Like, I think I posted something about it on Twitter, and people kept saying, like, we have 5% of the world's population and, like, two-thirds of its cases or something like that. Maybe not that many, but it is.

Yeah, we all do. Well, I don't know. No, it probably is because we have 1.4 million cases. That's incredible. Again, no one even comes close. The closest is what um spain with 271 000 it's not even remotely fucking close florida alone since they've reopened to beaches people are vacationing right now just think about that think about you going through your house right now and packing up for a vacation.

Pulling out your bathing suit and putting it into a mesh bag to carry onto the beach. Then putting on your Garfield shirt that says, Life's a Beach Out. Digging through your medicine cabinet for a half-used bottle of sun oil. Some no-ad from 1997 that you ain't even made it through yet. And since they reopened the beach, I think it's been like two weeks maybe, Florida has 2 2 500 new cases

and probably more than yeah that's just what they have counted every time and you have to assume yeah taryn you have to assume that all these numbers that you're rattling off that are already horrifying are very conservative counts well did you see where trump has actually ordered the cdc to because they're concerned about the numbers getting too high to actually reevaluate all the cases and make sure with a wink and a nod make sure that they're all right so they'll probably come out say something batshit insane like oh actually we the numbers are a lot lower and then like people are just gonna be dying just through natural causes for the next six months you mean to tell me that with all that needs to be done right now i'm sorry there's a crazy looking bird yes i mean to tell you that Is going back and recounting nonsense data.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Tanya, we said something. We said something. We said right here. Well, not exactly right here. Probably all together then. On February of 2017, right around the time we started this show we said something and it's as true today as it was then institutions cannot save you

they will not save you our institutions have been gutted the people doing the gutting it's to use a metaphor it's like when you go into an old building and steal the copper which you know i've had to do a time to my dad those are institutions just rotted from the inside you know well there was um an interview today it was kind of making the rounds of this New York Times reporter. What's this guy's name? Donald G. McNeil Jr. And he was talking about, it was with Christiane Amanpour, you know that show.

One of my favorites. And he was talking about how all the measures that nations took way back in Germany and South Korea and China, all the way back in January. And this is true for countries that aren't China, countries that hadn't experienced it within the magnitude that china had at first south korea and germany and some of these other countries like how they locked down they put you know created this infrastructure you know in china you saw these hospitals just popping up i mean well i mean we are witnessing the dissolution of a society. And it might not look like it right now, but the political sort of ramifications of everything that's happened in the last few weeks, if I could just count them down a little bit.

Are we going to do a list? Do we have a top ten horror stories from the past two weeks? So highest number of cases in the world by a massive margin. No one is even close to catching up. 1.4 million cases and climbing, you know. And opening, maybe. And opening, right. No end in sight.

Right. We have the largest number of cases. We have every few weeks a group of officials or pundits or who, God knows who, being trotted out on the national media and saying, no, we're going to need some people to die. If some of you could just step up and die so we can get this tribute like we so we've had that we've and and they had they can't do this every week that's why it's a cycle it keeps coming back around if you guys have noticed this it's hard to kind of get it's hard to kind of hold your hands onto the spinning merry-go-round right now but if you can you'll notice that every few weeks the same cycle repeats itself and so a cycle that we keep seeing is

decrepit guy in white old man in his 70s comes out and says we need people to die for the economy and people are like no fucking way we're not dying for the economy. And they're like, oh, okay, all right. And so they walk it back. They just tease it out there a little bit to see how well it plays. It's like a massive focus group. So exactly. So they'll throw that out there and then they'll go back to the shadows. throw that out there and then they'll go back to the shadows this is

this is all the while um the early attempts at testing were completely fucking botched you had the government selectively allocating and distributing equipment and probably still doing that bidding against states

to hoard supplies PPE oh yeah all politically motivated all politically motivated. All politically motivated. So take that little bit of information and store it in your back pocket. Then we had a $2 trillion bailout of the economy that has mostly,

in combination with the policies of the Federal Reserve, have mostly concentrated more wealth at the top of the system Reserve have mostly concentrated more wealth at the top of the system while just throwing a couple dollar bills to us out here. You know, here's $1,200, which is a really funny thing to think about,

by the way. Like, how do you think they arrived at the number $1,200? That is a really interesting... It's almost like they took the minimum wage and they were like, like ah just add two more zeros to it like that's fucking that's good

here's what I think I think if you look at all the the Canaanite children that were sacrificed to Moloch in the Bible they number 1,200 and that's the number that's the number just one man's opinion from reading of scriptures

right right so you had that um you have um you know all all this time the revival of the U.S.-China trade dispute, the United States blaming China, the United States government anyways, which, you know, who the fuck knows how that's going to pan out? China's economy is very much woven into ours, and so it wouldn't benefit them to go to war with us just as much as I guess it wouldn't benefit us. Don't they just own us? Doesn't China just literally own us at this point?

I just don't even understand. Sort of. Well, they do have a deed to West Virginia. They do own the deed to West Virginia. And you know what they say. The man who owns the deed to West Virginia owns the country. So I'm owns the deed to West Virginia owns the country. I'm ready to move to West Virginia.

China owns a lot of our government debt, but they are also an export economy, so we buy all their shit. It's a sort of platonic relationship. It's what they call a quid pro quo. Italian. So, I mean, look at all of those things. All of those things we have just listed off. And the fact that it's still ongoing, the fact that the head of the IMF,

the International Monetary Fund, today released a statement on the same day that the federal reserve chairman uh pal j pal is that his name also made a statement both of which amounted to and the imfs was probably the craziest one because she was basically like yeah so we project we projected this to be pretty bad of the global economy, but this is far out exceeding even our most dire and bleak projections. Like, sovereign debt around the world is completely collapsing. Emerging market countries, developing countries aren't able to pay debt at the moment like everybody is just

getting floated money just loans to sort of to sort of like you know as a ship is going through a storm and you're taking on water and men are going overboard fucking water You gotta make fixes here and there. And depending on the shape of your ship, maybe you don't have to make a lot of fixes or whatever. But our ship is, like Tom said, it's been stripped of everything. It is basically like 7 billion people riding into a hurricane on a piece of plywood. Just like, what the fuck is gonna happen? I think we know what's gonna happen. So you have to ask yourself in

that situation, do you really think that the world is going back to normal after this? The world is irrevocably marched at mortgage, at least for the next 100 years, on this moment. This is the moment that will define political realignments and developments and social forces, at least for the next 10 or 20 years.

Nah, you're probably being conservative. It's probably going to mark us for a generation. Every time people say this bullshit i'm like what even was normal to begin with what the fuck did you think was normal it none of it makes any sense i'm i feel like i'm actually taking crazy pills uh and so consider all that terrence has laid out here and also the fact that not one, to my knowledge, not one elected official that didn't already think we needed universal health care has come around to universal health care. Not one.

Oh, that's not happening. No way. That's part of the death drive, though. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. death drive though you know what i'm saying yeah like you can't have you can't have a health care like a actual like substantive health care program in a death drive there are conflicts and terms it's right there in the names listen i terrence has turned to earthworms in his greatest moment of need but i need y'all to see what i've turned to let's see it oh god what do you got i hope it's

are y'all ready for this yeah what do you got for us so about six weeks ago i harvested as many violet flowers from the yard I could find. And bottled them up with 190 proof grain alcohol. So that I could make what the internet calls tinctures. And this is what i did yesterday i put boob stamps on labels and harvard and like made my little tincture bottles are those boobs they look like they're flying through air yeah they're air boobs wow i mean they're just a boob stamp i'm gonna be i'm gonna be honest with you they look more like those like zany eyeballs that come out of glass that's what i was that's what i was thinking to eat your own but i'm telling you this stuff is delicious are you are is so is it green alcohol are you getting drunk off tinctures yeah it's infused with violets it tastes so good and it soothes your throat and the whole like all the medicinal

purposes are to cure cough it's for like bronchitis lung yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah do you catch a buzz off of it uh i haven't had enough to buzz off of but it tastes so good see what the minimum effect of buzz dosage is keep going the buzz dosage i want you to keep tink until you cop a buzz i'll mail you guys a bottle if you want it is so good and it soothes your throat and i'm convinced that if i get covid this is what's gonna save me also well you know you can't rule it out also dried a bunch of the flowers so i have it in tea form too i have i also stay i use my boob stamps and stamped a bunch of the flowers so i have it in tea form too i have i also stay i use my boob stamps stamped a bunch of tea bags i've been calling them calling it tit tea

what a ham all right we got a comedian over here everybody wow but you don't think bob dylan talking to his son jacob dylan about what boobs are is funny. I didn't hear him talk about boobs. Listen son you're gonna have puberty and young teenage girls are also gonna have puberty. They're gonna start wearing thongs at the back of their pants. Oh my god.

Thongs are camp. Well dad you mean doesn't Jacob Dillon have a rapper son named pablo no pablo dylan i swear i think he does three generations of dylan men the third generation in a musical dynasty is always ultra fucking chaotic like hank williams the third oh incredibly chaotic hank three is the most chaotic individual i've ever been i'm sorry it's not hank williams the third oh incredibly chaotic hank three is the most chaotic individual i've ever been i'm sorry it's not hank williams the third it's hank three hank three baby hell of the original hell billy

when i was in college these kids that slept on my couch sometimes and brought me weed that they grew in their dorm. Went to a Hank 3 show and they were never the same after that. I saw this documentary where they were asking Hank 3 about like, you know, Hank's, the Hank's shit. Like if he had gotten any of it

over the years, he was like, he was talking about, yeah, like he's like, well, yeah, I got like a guitar strap. Alan Jackson got the rest oh my god hank three's the shit shout out jackson got the rest if we could get him on this show that would be a blast oh my god three god damn it come on truly please oh man we would never be the same after that though but but okay so but back to the uh to the topic at hand if there even is one i don't even know if there is a topic there's no through line here

um the the only through line i guess that i can uh can tease out is i don't know it's just that things are there's no through line you're right you're right these are the these are um i was trying to do a uh if i could compare sort of a political era to hank three what it would be like well so i mean it's interesting you you bring you mentioned medicare for all um you know and it's interesting to think back about on Bernie and what we were saying and doing just six to eight weeks ago. Who's that? I don't know her. Exactly.

Bernie. I mean, things have qualitatively shifted so fast that I saw this op-ed in the New York Times today, and I sent it to you guys. No, it's not today. Yeah, it came out today. And reading it made me feel like I had been living on another planet or something. It made me feel like gazing down on Earth

from Mars or something through a fucking time portal it just felt like so far removed from any of my concerns at the moment and like what i'm thinking about that it just it's just really bizarre and so the op-ed i'm talking about is oh they changed the headline of this fascinating was it was it nicer than this beforehand it was originally will young leftist support biden now it's these young socialists think they have courage they don't all right it's like the editor said that one headlines a little too pussy. They cut Biden out of it completely. I've got a fucking paywall up or something. These fucking bastards.

They just want my email, sons of bitches. Open it in private. Incognito. Or just sit there and fiddle with it and refresh and hit stop real quick. Dude, that is really, they really did go for the jugular there with starting out with will young leftists support Biden to these young socialists think they have courage. They don't. They're fucking pussies.

They took Biden completely out of the equation and popped Bernie's name in here to invoke rage. Yes, it says many disappointed fans of Bernie Sanders would prefer quixotic display of principle. I don't even know what that means. Chaotic as in, you know. Don Quixote. Don Quixote. The man from La Mancha. That's literally what they're saying.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Well, what they're saying is that like sort of Don Quixote, he means that we're excessively sort of like idealistic, that we have this sort of like uninformed analysis of the world around us, that we have this sort of, like, uninformed analysis of the world around us. He's telling us to grow up. Right, that we, yes, that we are so wedded to these principles that we're so idealistic and not based in reality that,

yes, you're exactly right, Tom, that we need to grow up. Who wrote this? We're so immature guy his name is mitchell abidor um and um i think he's kind of a big deal apparently wait it says he's an anarchist i don't believe this he's the editor and translator of down with the law wow anarchist individualist writings from early 20th century france he he translated that it doesn't mean he himself is he's a translator victor surge is who he translated but um but uh anyways that but what he's saying is essentially, yes, we need to grow up. We're not based in reality, et cetera.

And he looks, I mean, he's pretty old, apparently. Like, not that that really matters, because it really doesn't. I was going to make an idle threat to whoop his ass, but I guess I'll pull back. I just like to do that from time to time. All right, you want to read this? It's kind of funny. Let's read it. The progressive magazine,

the nation published an open letter last month in which former members of the radical 1960s organization students for a democratic society pleaded with the younger generation of leftists to support Joe Biden for president. Wait, the letter titled SDS yeah did you endorse biden they basically told no i think it was people who were involved in sds and they wrote a letter like most of them were like hedge fund managers and shit oh jesus fucking christ you cannot make this stuff up this is truly what the fuck is happening

um i'll tell you i'll tell you what's happening um i think i have an idea of what's happening no you don't please you don't have an idea more tinctures please more tit t Look, I put 420 on this bottle because it mostly cooked during 420, the worst month in human history. God damn it. The letter, titled To the New New Left from the Old New Left,

warned that the re-election of Donald President Trump would jeopardize the very existence of American democracy. The signatories expressed fear that some supporters of Bernie Sanders, including members of the Democratic Socialists of America, would refuse to support Mr. Biden because they consider him a representative of Wall Street capital, and therefore, in essential respects, not fundamentally better than Mr. Trump. The letter was fair and sensible in its reasoning and right-minded in its conclusion given that the difference of a few thousand votes in states such

as michigan and wisconsin might allow mr trump to win a second term a quixotic display quixotic quixotic display of socialist principle in the 2020 election could have disastrous repercussions for the nation and the world that's right you are world important you may singularly be responsible for making the world the entire world a much worse place if you do not vote for joseph r biden just something to keep in mind folks they really are not gonna... Wow. Wow. Plausible, but I'm not persuaded. Well, it is a pretty funny sort of irony that they keep telling us we're the me generation

while constantly telling us that we are ultimately the deciding factor of every world development it's really what it is what it is is them washing their hands and putting it on us is what it is absolutely so chaotic um unfortunately the letter's fears were well-founded. The Democratic Socialists of America had already declined to back Mr. Biden. It has been joined in that refusal by Jacobin Magazine, an influential publication among young leftists. To followers of leftist politics, the argument was all too familiar. The two major parties are merely the right and left wings of the capitalist system. Six of one,

half a dozen of the other. Really? We came up with this idea. Did you know this? Didn't you know that we came up with this idea? It is worth noting that this was also the position of most members of the new left during the 1968 presidential election. Back then, radical young leftists either refused to vote or supported the candidates of the Peace and Freedom Party, the Freedom and Peace Party, and even the Yippies, the Youth International Party,

who encouraged people to vote for a pig named Pegasus. the Youth International Party, who encouraged people to vote for a pig named Pegasus. Anyone or anything was preferable to President Richard Nixon, except, of course, the Democratic Party's nominee, Hubert Humphrey. Okay, so let's take a minute here. Let's take a minute here. Let's just consider how the course of history could have been altered had we elected Hubert Humphrey. Yes. Let's take a minute here and look at the differences.

That was 1968. This is 2020 in the middle of a global pandemic in which we have the highest number of people dead of any country in which none of the highest number of people dead of any country in which none of the problems of poverty and exploitation uh from the 2008 crash have been resolved or even remotely addressed open wounds right a society that is fracturing at a scale and speed that was probably not inconceivable in 1968.

1968 was a crazy fucking year. Let's not forget. It was a bad shit year. It was insane. Very fucking insane. um but there was still there was still in the midst of all of those things that were happening a shared sort of consensus even though that consensus was up for question i mean you had people like george wallace running for fucking president i mean you know you had segregation formal segregation legal segregation ending in a lot of places and Roe v. Wade

and the pill all these movements, feminist movements gays and lesbians etc. You had the rise of gays and lesbians This was still though, it was all sort of

on the same shared consensus that America was still a sort of like land of prosperity. We were waging a war on poverty. That's how rich and wealthy we were. That's how much wealth was being pushed back into the system. I mean, there was still inequality. Don't get me wrong. There was still massive poverty. That's why there was a war on poverty but you know there was enough surplus to where it could be reinvested

into social welfare programs and there was this sort of political will to do it the consensus to do it uh now that that's not even no one is even remotely talking about that the last person to mention it was bernie and you know we saw what happened there and uh so we've made our choice right we're going to more austerity we are we're going to more austerity so like in that light does it really matter that much who the next president is i mean really really i'm not saying don't vote for biden or whatever but does it really matter yeah no it doesn't no you you don't have to persuade me i mean can't i just i mean the only grain of hope i have in any of this is that we're done with presidencies and we're voting

over and it's not happening anymore. So you're saying like if Trump cancels the election. It's just I mean I guess that's one option for that but I was thinking more like people just

I mean people are going to the beach. I guess they'll go vote. Right. I don't know. I'm just hoping for, I mean, I'm ready to just hit the red button and it'd be full fucking total chaos. Because this is basically full total chaos. You say that, Tanya. You say that. Do you say that do you mean it we'll see i got a tub full of water i'm ready for anything interesting times though like in 1968 when homosexuality made its debut. This article doesn't say that, does it?

It does. No, it doesn't. Homosexuality came on the scene for the first time in human history and nothing was ever the same. I was talking about in political form. I know. I'm joking. I was talking about in political form. I know. Political gain us, Tom. Oh, man.

Well, let's see. You want me to keep going here? Why not? This is not the only historical echo in today's dispute about support for Mr. Biden. In the early 1960s, Students for a Democratic Society, too, found itself in a generational standoff. At that point, the group was the youth branch of the League for Industrial Democracy, which had an older membership and was social democratic. It didn't take long for tensions to mount between the two organizations, etc. In October 1963, members of SDS met with the editors of Dissent Magazine. Dissent's been around that long?

Yeah. Damn. Most prominently Irving Howe to see whether, despite their differences, the two generations of leftists could make common cause. The meeting did not go well. A major sticking point then, as now now was how to view liberal democracy the members of sds argued against representative democracy in favor of what they called participatory democracy to mr howe their ideas sounded too much like the fecklessness of our youth when stalinists and even a few socialists used to put mere put down mere bourgeois democracy.

Mr. Howe would later express regret about the way the meeting played out, bemoaning his know-it-all tone. One of the SDS members, blah, blah, blah, it is a quirk of history that the young radicals of that time are the pragmatic elders of today. Several members of SDS who attended the fateful meeting in 1963 signed the open letter last month in the nation. The respectful and diplomatic tone of their letter shows that they learned from the mistakes of Mr. Howe and his colleagues.

But tone can accomplish only so much. A younger generation, sure of its righteousness, is seldom willing to heed the advice of elders. And righteousness is not too strong a word. The funny thing about this is that it seems to indicate that with age you gain wisdom. False. And that our problem is that we are just too young and idealistic. But the thing that they're not, that he's not taking into account here, is that I'm 32. Like, we are in our 30s and 40s at this point.

Like, we're not really young anymore. I mean, like, we're young, but we're not like, you i mean like we're young but we're not like you were way different in your early 20s you know you're much more idealistic and um that's who these sds kids were at that time that he's talking they were students they were 19 and 20 years old they were literally students right right for a democratic society apparently uh well it's also for the whole like get off my lawn shit is so funny to me because like like you either have blowhards like this guy or you have people uh send you links trying to convince you that uh some compounding coke zero causes uh homosexuality it's like yeah like yeah respect your elders whatever whatever but there's a lot of fucking dumb old people all right let me just let's just go ahead clear the air there our elders want us

dead there's a lot of brilliant wise old people there's a lot of fucking dumbasses a lot of cut a lot of dumbasses in that uh 50 to 85 cohort um so yeah like no we're we're we are adults at this point like we are people in our 30s and 40s who, by the time this generation was in their 30s and 40s, could afford a house, didn't have student debt, you know, didn't have health care debt. A lot more wind at their back. What's that? I said a lot more wind at their back. Exactly. They don't want to be honest and candid about that the material forces that shaped them and ushered them into the economy

are incredibly different than those that shaped us and pushed us into the economy did you say their head half of them are hedge funds managers now i think one of them was one of them was like a health care um probably executive or some shit like no the people who signed that sds letter were not exactly i mean i don't fucking know though i mean don't take it from me i don't know the class composition of of them as a whole they're still wrong it's crazy this is no matter how you slice it's also written in the middle of a pandemic. The people he's talking about that are selfish are literally either unemployed right now, most of which are unemployed or essential workers. This is bananas.

Well, it's bizarre because he accuses us of being sort of idealistic, which would imply a loose grasp on reality. which would imply a loose grasp on reality. When it's very obvious that they are the ones who have no fucking clue what is happening. Just the most tenuous grasp on reality at this point. No, it's true. We're just calling it like we see it. And these motherfuckers think that this is just something that you can just, like, a couple of tweaks here and there and we'll be back'll be back to normal this is what they can't accept this is

really what just they they they cannot understand none of us or some of us are saying this but i think the vast majority if i had to really guess the vast majority of left socialists who either did or did not come out of bernie or who were at least tangentially affected by it whatever have adopted the position that it doesn't fucking matter like you know again if you live in a swing state and you're voting for biden whatever it's the same shit that you did in 2016 it's the same shit that all radical leftists have done for the past 30 or 40 fucking years it doesn't really fucking matter. Like, we're not a substantial enough political bloc to shape that in any way.

And again, they have proven, even more this year than in 2016, that their targeted demographic is sort of moderate, white-collar, upper-middle class, petty class petty bouge uh etc people in suburbs the wine moms the never trumpers etc that's who they're going for and so it although this does kind of um peel back the onion a little bit because i feel like one of my biggest like one of the biggest mysteries of all this is that i mean we know the dems are a fucking death cult but it's just been so hard for me to understand how they don't see that we're the only possibility of a future democratic party you know what i mean like they're just giving it's like they're just throwing their own party to the fucking wolves.

And this kind of peels the onion back to the point where they think we just need a little more time in the pot to cook. You know? Here's what I think it is. I think what it is is them passing off their culpability for the plate they left set for us. them passing off their culpability for the plate that they left set for us like these people are going to their graves and they don't want to go to their graves thinking that they actually set the conditions for the biggest catastrophic sort of meltdown in the history of rich countries and that's exactly what they're going to do and what we need to do is that like let come what may but these people need to be disgraced all the way to the grave. Yep.

Yeah, I mean, to put it lightly, that's... Yeah. In fact... Well, I mean, but even if... When you say, Tom, when you say to get off the hook, are you referring to the writers of the SDS letter? Or are you referring to just that kind of boomer generation at large well i mean kind of both in a way i mean just i mean those that you know sort of abandon the radicalism of their youth for something more practical and put us all on the hook i guess that's what i'm saying yeah right well we're also just you know

for i mean it's just a pretty bizarre outlook that people even 20 year old 20 years older than us are looking at a very different end of life than we are. You know what I mean? I fully expect the rest of my life to mostly be pain and misery. Yeah, like we don't get to die peacefully. I mean, I don't know what a peaceful death in America is. We're not very good to our dying populations. But even so, like ours is going to be just wrecked with plague and climate torture is what we're about to here's what i if i'm looking at my own crystal ball i'm probably

going to die broke and penniless in france trying to escape my debtors my creditors rather well i mean it's it's it's very it's very it's very interesting because basically what we're saying is that even considering those all those things even considering the the future of ours that has essentially been mortgaged to capital yeah we we have no future essentially our generation and and pretty much every subsequent generation um as it stands as it stands today anyways because of that uh we are in light of that we are still saying that it doesn't really fucking matter who wins this year. And I'm not saying that in this idealistic or whatever, as he says it, like, the Democrats and Republicans, they're all the same, man.

It's just two parties of the capitalist system. Two sides of the same coin. What I'm saying is that the country seems to be unraveling socially and spiraling economically. And in that situation, do you really think Trump, on the one hand, is going to make that any better or worse? Or Biden, on the other hand, is going to make that any better or worse or biden on the other hand is going to make that any better or worse it is um at this point it's just it it's just the window dressing on the fucking windows we've built on the side of the plywood boat we've sailed into the hurricane it's it doesn't like the numbers back it up this is this country is unraveling whether it happens in 10 years or 40 years we've allowed almost 100 000 people to die

from this disease in two months which no two months no other country has even come close and so you have to ask yourself do do was voting for biden really going to alter the fact that this is this is what happens now that this is what is it occurring now and i guess you could say well it's because there's a republican in the white house and basically um you know if you had a democrat in there a competent administrator but even that doesn't fucking work because biden can't fucking think he's not competent so how can he there a competent administrator but even that doesn't fucking work because biden can't fucking think he's not competent so how can he be a competent administrator even if you take this maniac at his word his only climate stance is to rejoin the fucking paris accord or some

garbage it's just it's right it's laughable it's there's no it's i mean it's i think that they try to engage with us because bernie was in it but what they don't realize is that bernie for many of us was not the savior who was going to uh make everything better he was the compromise he was yes just kicking the can a little bit further down the road buying us some time just trying to stay he was our compromise and they weren't having it so like this is right so like what the what they what these people don't understand is that we it does it does ultimately the the space that this election holds in our minds as some sort of vehicle or agent of making this better does not exist. Because the way that we see the world is different from the way that the 1960s leftists saw the world.

The 1960s leftists thought you could bring a revolution into existence through your own willpower and hard work and determination and theory and praxis. Our generation is saying, no, we can't do that. We're not trying to do that. What we're trying to do is show you that the world around you

is falling apart. And we can take it, you know, we can exploit that situation. We can take advantage of it or we can be crushed by it. But that's how history is made. You respond to social forces. You don't make your own.

And that's what our generation is saying. And that's why we're not fucking idealistic. We're not out there saying, we're going to do a revolution tomorrow, man. It's coming. It's coming, man. No. It's coming, man. It's coming. It's coming, man. No. It's coming, man.

Man, I want to... Me and Jacob be right there with you. The times are a-changing, Dad. No. We are holding up what we know to be our analysis to the world,

and that's the conclusion we've come with. But I don't know. The idea that we're these idealistic ultras who demand moral purity and philosophically. No. If you want to vote for Biden, fucking vote for him. Again, it doesn't matter. That's the tone you have to take if you feel compelled to vote go do it but it doesn't matter i mean i will probably go vote that day because someone will probably be running in a local race i want to vote in will i vote for biden i have no fucking clue but again

it literally doesn't matter well i for one i you know it's i'm duty bound to go risk life and limb to vote for rocky yunkera all right who is it rocky who rocky de la fuente de la fuente yeah um sorry i have a colleague named named the other but yeah i'll probably vote for him too wait let's finish this there's some good there's some good nuggets at the end i think righteousness is not too strong a word maintaining doctrinal purity is a big reason many leftists are refusing to endorse mr biden again wait wait what's the reason that we're refusing to endorse mr maintaining doctrinal purity again the word endorsed there is the tell what they mean is we've refused to virtue signal to our friends again they see this all as a virtue signal he

thinks that this is a virtue signal because what he means by endorse is that's how they view politics people vote for who they think is cool if you see Bob Dylan like hey go vote for Joe Biden everybody's gonna be like hey

he's endorsed Joe Biden hey man he's alright with Bob he's alright with me but none of that matters none of it fucking matters endorsements don't fucking matter to that point too can we talk He's alright with Bob. He's alright with me. But none of that matters. None of it fucking matters. Endorsements don't fucking matter. To that point, too, can we talk just briefly about how they wanted to do the hologram in the Grand Canyon like Travis Scott? Travis Scott, very cool.

Okay? Makes a lot of good songs. Okay? Joe Biden, there's absolutely nothing cool about Joe Biden. Whatsoever. No. When you try to foist uncool people into cool sort of spectacles, you don't get those results.

You know what I mean? Bernie was cool precisely because he's not cool. So that's why, like, when Bernie did shit with, like, shit with like the strokes or chuck d republic enemy that had some cultural cachet because it's like it kind of works because it's so uncool right right but this biden thing is just um so another jacobin article argued that having the dSA support a lesser evil candidate would have major ramifications for dot, dot, dot, the democratic socialists of America. Again, so again, he sees this as a virtue signal. Are those the ramifications that American socialists should be worrying about? Jacobin and its readers and members of the DSA are largely white, largely college educated, largely American citizens.

True, you know, not largely American citizens. True. You know, not disputing any of that. But if Trump is Mr. Trump is reelected. But again, I just need to point out that that's not the left. The DSA in Jacobin is not the left. It's not the left. Whatever you want to qualify as the left. And I still maintain that it doesn't really exist.

It includes a broad swath of a lot of people who aren't those two outfits yes who aren't just those two outfits and who aren't white but again it's the brony bro thing it's like you know all the leftists are white you know bros uh college educated etc um if mr trump is re-elected they could spend the next four years suffering little more than the pangs of political outrage, but millions of less fortunate people would suffer real consequences. This is a really funny thing for me. Like, the millions of less fortunate people.

Because, like, on one hand, this guy seems to acknowledge that there's a lesser evil thing at work here. But they have valued lives in the exact same way that republicans have because in their mind it's a schematic it's like okay in the less rivalism calculus it's like oh okay only two million people will die under biden whereas maybe three million will die under trump so like that's a victory exactly that's That's a victory for sabermetrics.

Exactly. Taking a principled stand is courageous only when those taking it put themselves at risk. Placing others at risk requires no courage at all. Hold on a second. Here's the thing I want to say about that talking about talking about a guy that actively encouraged people to go to the polls in a pandemic you're making a case about courage and putting people in danger when you're caping for the guy that said no actually it's safe to go to the polls.

It's just, there's just no sort of, this, like, is not based in any sort of reality or objective truth about anything. No. No, no. No, not at all. Well, and again, none of that matters to them because they're right-wingers now. I mean, they wouldn't admit it they're liberals they're good liberals progressives who have done the mental calculus to where they put their big boy pants on they've decided two million deaths is more acceptable than three million deaths

um we won't hey i won't stand for three million i won't stand for it well and and i could see them responding to this and being like well well, 2 million deaths is literally better than 3 million deaths, and those million deaths are on your hands. Again, you're imparting way too much fucking agency to a political force that is... To a magazine with a modest subscription base and an organization with about 40 or 50 000 members exactly it's just like it's really phenomenal i mean it's really phenomenal um as mr howe wrote in a 1965 article on the new left that applies to many on the left today there is quote an inclination to make of their radicalism not a politics of common action which would require the inclusion of saints sinners

and ordinary folk but rather a gesture of moral rectitude in quote again i mean i you know i don't really know what to say about that. It's just like the 1960s left was, in many ways, came out of the Civil Rights Movement and out of the opposition to the Vietnam War. What happens to you, though? You know what I mean? For all those those accomplishments and it's like the biggest accomplishments and like i mean they just like i mean they just echo out but like what what happens to you that like you lose that well this like is there just something about you that makes you more conservative as you get older like how do you go from the civil

rights movement and everything that came out of that to like this kind of well there's a few uh there's a it's a big question but i think one answer is the system brings you into itself i mean through home ownership and through these other um sort of vehicles for ownership in the economy for building, and that was not available to our generation. And this is the thing about Bernie. The Bernie thing grew out of the fact that in 2008, again, and even some leftists have made this mistake attributing the left's rise currently to Bernie,

when in all reality it is reverse, because social forces only make history, and humans act on them. It's a sort of dialectic between the two. It's more the case Bernie saw the conditions rising, not that he created them himself. Yeah, and what that grew out of was an entire generation of people, us, coming out of 2008 with the realization that we would be fighting over a smaller piece of the pie.

And, you know, and that wasn't the case 30 or 40 years ago. You know, I mean, like the Generation X right before us, that was not the case with them. They did not have that realization, you know, so poignantly delivered to them in such a stark manner. They weren't tied to a system of debt peonage and shit that we are. And all the generations before us. They were too busy listening to the gym blossoms. And Jacob Dillon in the wallflowers

little joke there little joke there jen x just right but again i mean that that's that's not to say that there wasn't a left net generation it's just that social forces bring into existence um you know i'm sorry these economic restructurings and shifts bring into existence these social forces. And so, yeah, I mean, it makes sense that those activists from the 60s would sort of defect to the world of just sort of passive liberalism. I mean, they had more buy in the system buy into the system but also though you have to also take into account that after the 1960s

the everyday workings of politics became virtually you know question of virtue you know like how virtuous you were what you know correct words string of words you know like how how virtuous you were what you know correct words string of

words you say and etc etc um right which they love that show um yeah anyways the demo this is the last paragraph here the democratic socialists of america and jacobin claim to be laying a path to socialism but it is worth bearing in mind george orwell's definition of socialism as justice and common decency like again the notion that leftists our age ask any leftistAge what they think of George Orwell, and they will tell you either rat fuck, scab, you know what I mean? Yeah, I loved War of the Worlds. Oh, fuck. I'm back. Just a little joke there.

You know, HG Wells or something. Yeah, I got you. Welcome back, Tonya. Sorry you lost your battery power. And fuck George Orwell. I've been having a lot of good jokes while you've been gone, Tonya. No, I was listening. I just couldn't talk.

I wasn't being recorded. I've been doing a lot of good ones. Really hilarious, though. In pursuing its vision of the former, the new new left has forsaken the latter. The new new. We have forsaken the pursuit of justice and common decency. Is that the most liberal definition of socialism you've ever heard? That might be the most liberal definition of socialism I've ever heard.

The pursuit of common decency and justice. Yeah. Yeah, a little more going on than that. Jesus fucking Christ. Oh my God, man. I mean... And this guy translated... Who'd you say he translated?

Victor Serge. Serge Ibaka. Yes. But anyways, in conclusion, these fucking assholes have no idea what it's like to grow up. We probably don't understand what it's like to grow up in their world and what they had to face but to be honest like the way things are fucking heading i mean it doesn't matter like i'm only in my early 30s i've lived less life than them and i would like

to keep living and so i feel like i kind of have a better grasp on the world as a result of that as soon as how i'm trying to daily fucking survive i'm daily trying to triangulate how to survive and that means having an accurate read of the world around me whereas they are fucking comfortable as shit telling us to vote for Joe Biden. Again, do whatever you fucking want. And too stupid to see that's gone. Oh yeah, too stupid to realize that that ship has fucking sailed. Just like

the ship for Medicare for All has probably sailed. Sailed right into the hurricane. This is Green New Deal, probably fucking sailed. I mean, I could be wrong, but it just feels like politics had a specific trajectory it could have gone up until a few weeks ago and then several things happened bernie dropped out the united states spiraled into the worst biological pandemic

it's ever seen maybe um you know this other series of events it doesn't seem like anything we can do at the presidential level you see how you see how hardened like politicians have gotten just like you know where they used to just like lie to you and play the game like the joe kennedy dude in louisiana said well people in hell want ice water too could you imagine could you imagine saying something like that 10 years ago like while there's so much suffering and misery going on saying it in the middle of a fucking pandemic yeah could you imagine that like he like this motherfucker needs to be dismembered like he doesn't need to be murdered or killed he needs to be dismembered nancy pelosi eating

fucking ice cream i love that fucking. Nancy Pelosi eating fucking ice cream. I love that fucking picture of her eating an ice cream bar in her kitchen. Yeah. Fucking Hillary Clinton. We need to open the health care exchanges. The fucking health care. Yeah, see? The solution's clear.

These are your heroes. These are the people that you think that are going to steer you back to what you had in 2019 well and but to take it even further us saying that does not imply that we have any kind of control over that like again i mean no but we're just calling it exactly i mean just call it like exactly we have no fucking control over any of this this was all set into motion. Well, I mean. Before we even were conceived of. On that one day, the comptroller didn't show up in New York City.

Back in the 70s. I mean, honestly, Tom, that is. That's true. Yes. No, that is a leading contender for world historical important events that shape the world we live in now. Do you think there's going to be something like that in this age? Some seemingly innocuous thing that actually holds outsized importance for what happens going forward? 100%.

100%. Every day. I mean, I read the financial times and all this stuff and every day you just i mean you read just the craziest just the craziest things going on in the inner workings of the global financial system um i think personally i think the price of oil going beneath zero was... I still don't even know how that's possible. In yard sale terms, this is amazing to me. When my cousin Ryan said, yeah, they're going to start paying you $2.38 to come take a barrel. To come fill up your tank.

I think that will result, I think that will be one of the things that people look back on and be like, yeah, kind of got away from us a little bit.

Got away from us. Well, what's, what's the hopeful refrain we can end down here? Well, I was going to take us there that no matter how bleak it gets, we can always rely on the New York Times for content. It's an ever churning source of just delicious content. It's never bad.

The fact that the change of that title alone tells such a story, it's just incredible. My bit of hope is purely a matter of perspective and analytical sort of lens. I mean, I feel, you know, and I'm not the only person probably who feels this way but um i've been reading a lot of marks i've been doing a lot of gardening and i've been um reading a lot of financial economic news because i want to put myself in the seat of someone who's watching the world sort of evolve. It's not evolving. It's every day

things are being destroyed and created right in front of our eyes. We are witnessing the full sort of capacity and totality of capitalism. A form of capitalism we've never seen in our lifetimes. And it's really fascinating to watch. It's like watching a supernova or something it's it's it is a celestial experience experience

that is really fascinating to watch and that's the hope is that you have to be able to look at the world and try to understand what's happening because it's not easy. It is not easy. And if I could just plug my man, Marx, seriously, the whole point of Marx is looking at the world and trying to find out what's going on beneath the illusion in front of you. front of you in capitalist society all the social relations and in workings of the system you see in front of you are an illusion and they have to be peeled back and looked at what is going on beneath the curtain mark says that himself you know now let's lift up the curtain and see what lies behind here and that's and that is it had a little flair for the dramatic he did he did and and again i mean he had a flair for um you know we mentioned before we started this talking about horror stories capital is a fucking horror story it's all about

ghosts this is an american horror story it really is it is about the fucking phantoms and like metaphysical uh beings that are created in a capitalist system. When money meets a commodity, when worker meets the means of production and what that, and what that creates. I mean, it creates this, this dysphoric sort of disorienting effect and you have to be able to examine what's going on.

And that to me is the, is the hope. Cause I don't, we're not changing anything unless, unless, unless there is because i saw earlier today that a militia is trying to like overthrow the government of michigan tomorrow um okay what yeah what that's juicy not not i'm guessing not a varivari no a right-wing militia um Bad people on both sides, Tom. Bad on both sides.

You know, it also would not surprise me in the least if we saw a bunch of fucking weekend warriors statin-popping fucking boomer dads with big guns carry out the governor of Michigan tomorrow either. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Not in the least. No, I'm telling you, we're going to see. The price of oil went below zero, man.

These are the spirits, the ghosts, the phantoms. Anything. Yes, exactly. This is the metaphysical. There's something metaphysical going on, too. But they've announced it. They've announced that they're overthrowing the Michigan government tomorrow. They set a date for it.

Yeah, no. Well, they were talking about it. Yeah, they did and the governor as a result the governor wanted to ban all firearms in the state capitol and like the republican supreme court there said like they they were going to look at into it they were going to talk discuss it and consider it let's just say how tomorrow goes first let's see how things shake out i mean this is the new, this is the new politics. This is the new politics.

This is, and again, you have to fucking buckle up and get ready because it's going to get intense. It really will. It's going to get insane. I mean, if we're talking about right-wing militias trying to topple governors' mansions, trying to topple state governments, to topple governors uh mansions trying to topple state governments if we're talking about the price of come on the prices of commodities just whipsawing back and forth fucking every day like like a hose just fucking turned on full blast i mean if we're talking about who gets eaten in this like business whether it's small businesses medium-sized businesses or banks or whatever if we're talking about what the government is doing to stave off that catastrophe i mean if

we're talking about climate politics then you then we need a new politics our our generation is not saying don't vote for biden whatever our generation is saying the world is going to be qualitatively different in 10 years and you better buckle the fuck up and read up because it is that is imperative to understanding what's happening I mean because again I remember

after 2008 this is I was radicalized after 2008 I mean I'm sure both of you probably were too I remember after 2008 i mean i'm sure both of you probably were too i remember after 2008 was when i got into politics and when i started to get into radical politics because i was looking at the world and asking what the fuck is going on and i mean tom have joked about this the zeitgeist movies like there was like they talked about fiat currency and all this added some sort of uh you know they added they added

this dimension to the world that something else was happening that you couldn't see and again did do we owe an apology to the zack gas guy no as we established our thousand year stare that eventually went in the anti-semitic direction oh okay i didn't know that i didn't know but regardless you always when somebody when somebody starts calling into question the bankers it's going to go one of two ways exactly right that's exactly right but anyways regardless this is the moment when people look around and and ask why is this happening and um and so in that sense i i'm not i'm not blackpilled at all in that sense, I'm not blackpilled at all. In that sense, it's like this is pretty, this is an opportunity to relate our ideas to people who are going to be looking for answers.

Because if you have right-wing militia members overthrowing state governments, people are going to be asking, why the fuck is that going on? And we need answers for that. Glad you asked well well anyways i mean um i guess if i could leave it a last message to our buddy mitchell abador you don't understand this you never will i mean you might but. You don't understand this. You never will. I mean, you might, but you definitely don't right now. We're on a different level, bro.

We've taken a different path. We're some bad dudes. We're some bad dudes. Gals and non-binary pals. God. Well, is that good You guys want to sign off Is that a good way to

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