Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 15: What's The Matter With California? (w/ special guest: Drew Nutter)

Episode Date: June 30, 2017

In episode 15, we welcome the homie @DrewNutter in to help us analyze the red state/blue state divide, as well as how that divide mirrors the the death row/bad boy records feud of the 90's. Also we talk about the new Tupac movie and the California travel ban among other topics.

This bullshit about the East Coast and the West Coast started when we went out to New York to do the Sorcerer Wars and Mr. Knight went on stage and he's in New York City. We all know puppies from New York City Any orders out there want to be an artist and want to stay a star? Don't want to have to worry about the Zeta to try to be all in the video all on the record dancing coming down from i mean the whole crowd started booing and then i thought to myself like why would you do that the east coast don't love dr dre and snoop dogg Why would you do that the East Coast on love dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg?

The East Coast ain't got no love for dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg and death row y'all don't love us Y'all don't love us Well, let it be known We at East Coast and... I'm the executive producer that a comment was made about a little bit earlier. But check this out. Contrary to what other people may feel, I would like to say that I'm very proud of Dr. Dre. Super online.

So very online. And all this East and West that needs to stop. Damn. Go! How you doing, man? What's going on, brother? Not much. I like the studio. I like the Willie right in the background.

That's our third wheel to die. Yeah, Tanya couldn't be here, so we got Willie Nelson instead. Well, you know, we're all brochalists, so we need to get the ladies out of there. There you go. Well, hey, Drew, welcome. Thank you very much. I'm so glad you guys had me on.

I'm glad we were finally able to do this. This is my second podcast appearance of the day, as weird as that may sound. You're stocks on the rise, my man. You launched the tweet of the year. That means we're also in demand. If you're here, our stocks are also going. By extension. Before we kick this off, there's something you should know, though,

before we get into this discussion about California. You may see before you two backwater hicks here, but you should know that we both have political science degrees and we're also lawyers. Oh, shit. So. You've never been owned. So we have never been owned. So good luck with that, Pally. You got great

eyebrows. Oh, shit. Well, so I guess let's get this thing started. Let's get this podcast started. So, ISIS. ISIS. Love ISIS.

So, yeah. Tanya couldn't be with us this week. She's on the beach. On the fucking beach like an asshole. That's how the other half lives. Right. Yeah. Which beach? Charleston.

One of the many beaches in Charleston, South Carolina. Folly, I think. Folly. Yeah. Probably, this podcast is probably the last thing, literally the last thing on her mind right now. We were on Twitter today. She just tweeted something.

It was like, it me. It's about something that. I was like, what is that? We give Tanya a lot of shit for how bad she is at Twitter. Although I'm not great. She's got a great, she's great on podcasts. So you gotta train her up. We have to rein in her liberalism from time to time.

Her bombast and general good nature. You're right. She is great on podcasts. Shores it up. Right, right. Shores it up. Right, right. All right, so the idea we have for this episode, I have intentionally ignored every single headline with the phrase California travel ban in it,

mostly because Tom told me we'd be talking a little bit about it, but also a lot just because it sounds like something I haven't even wanted to address. It sounds like something I haven't even wanted my mind to go there. So tell me what it is. What the fuck is California? What did we do so wrong? Yeah, we should note out to our audience first that Drew actually lives in California. Yeah, Drew, maybe you could introduce yourself.

Oh, hi, everybody. What's happening? My name is Drew Nutter. I am unemployed. I'm not a columnist or anything. I have literally no actual credentials that would make you want to listen to me. But I post a lot. That's good enough for us. we we are strictly no emoji guy

hell yeah yeah and i'm the only guy in california that i think uh uh you two know so yes yeah yeah you're on a different time zone so so that's enough of a credential for us. So I guess the travel ban is the Attorney General of California, Javier Becerra, or Javier Becerra, said on, I think a week or so ago, that they weren't going to fund travel to states deemed discriminatory towards LGBT people. And there are now eight states on the travel ban list. And I guess this is for state employees. Alabama, your guys' home state of lovely Kentucky. South Dakota, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kansas, and North Carolina. South Dakota, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kansas, and North Carolina. Was that in the order from least to most racist or most to least racist?

I don't know how, if you were going to do by conventional wisdom most racist, I don't know how you'd put Alabama and then not Mississippi. I always thought Alabama and Mississippi would be neck and neck as the most famously racist. They would be duking it out with, I guess, us in West Virginia kind of trailing. Oh, yeah. A little bit. Not by much, though. We only seceded from Union for two months, so. And also, I mean, I know that there are African-American communities in West Virginia, but I always thought of it as a more sort of homogenous state.

Like, traditionally, right right when you think about racism in the south um it was always my understanding that the places the places with the most odious history of racism were places where black people tended to outnumber uh white people because that leads that's almost kind of like an apartheid south africa thing where the white landed gentry uh are terrified that they're going to be murdered any day right uh so that's where the sort of most insane level of of of you know like terror you know basically race terror and white supremacy were instituted but that's just a theory that i can't remember so mississippi then

so mississippi then yeah so mississippi so mississippi because they they yeah they they got the uh the delta and they're all terrified they're going to get murdered in their sleep for what they did right um yeah it's the ban is basically going to um affect things like you know like uh college Like college coaches from UCs may not be able to get funding to travel to play in Texas. And it's apparently, I don't think this is going to get passed. I think this is sort of a liberal version of like when some guy in Arizona tries to ban Sharia law. Yeah, okay, okay. So if UC Berkeley were going to play Terrence's alma mater, the Horns. Hook them, hook them. Sharia law. Okay. Okay. So, so if you see Berkeley, we're going to play Terrence's alma mater,

the horns. Hook them. Hook them. So that would, that would fall under this. This would be, they would lay the kibosh on something like that since it's a state school. I guess the coaching staff would have to like crowdfund their way.

You just see the Berkeley football team thumbing right on the side of the road yeah yeah um and uh i guess tennessee respond i guess tennessee lawmakers responded this is great when you have because state senate people and state assemblymen are always the most batshit crazy in every state so if you can get California versus Tennessee, because Tennessee is home of, like, whenever I see guys fighting the creep of Sharia law in the southeastern United States, it's Tennessee. It's Tennessee.

It's fucking, yes, exactly. They responded, oh, no, they basically, they said that if states such as California persist in banning travel to certain other states as a punitive action for disagreeing with the policy of those states, the states affected by these travel bans may be forced to take reciprocal action. Oh, God. Who's going to be the 2017 P.T. Beauregard? You know what I mean?

It's just going to like. P.G.T. Beauregard. Yeah, P.G.T. Beauregard. It's just going to like set this thing off. Just fuck up college football season. Oh, that's it? It's not going to actually do anything except piss off. There are plenty of NCAA fans in California,

but I mean, come on. You're going to fuck up SEC games? Oh, yeah. SEC plays Pac-10? Yeah, you're going to get college football fans oh yeah sec plays pac-10 yeah you're gonna get college football fans who are gonna be woke as fuck now woke bama fans that's that's just that's crazy um yeah no the the the civil War of the future will be snarkily made policies. Like, my first knee-jerk reaction to that

is that it is, yeah, it's just a publicity stunt. You're exactly right. It's like someone introducing, like, we're trying to clamp down to Sharia law or something. Yeah, to me it was kind of like, just kind of that like lib fuck shit where it's like, like the North Carolina bathroom thing, where it's like

Bruce Springsteen and fucking Bono are like, we're not gonna play you know. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just like the fuck does that really do? The same people that eat this shit up are the same people that like, you know up or that are the same people that

like you know hey uh uh some you know would donate to the go fund me for the burnt down north carolina um field office republican field office yeah yeah that shit is unbelievable it's just posturing and it's i mean it's getting to the core of something that's that's sort of happened with american liberalism that's been very very disheartening for an ex-liberal turned commie myself is for when like in 08 when sarah palin came out was talking about you know like the real america yeah and how she was like rightfully lampooned for saying that and this this idea that there's a real America and there's a fake America. And it seems when liberals are losing, as they are now, they revert into this idea of like, oh, there's a real America and it's actually us. And it's fucking stupid.

You don't you don't win politically by doing this you just alienate people that don't give a fuck about politics and go well i'm not i mean i think the guy down the street from me with the with the 10 fucking confederate flags on the back of his lifted truck is a dick but i sure as shit don't want to buy a prius yeah you're absolutely right yeah and i mean it's it's sort of i i was thinking about this too because i saw it on facebook somebody posted and this was like from 2004 um and it and it always happens it always happens right after a big republican win is you get the um we don't need you red states or in particular this was was like, fuck the South. Yeah, yeah. And I'm actually, I'm gonna bring it up right now.

It's called Fuck the South. And it's written by... I think I saw this. I think, I don't know. I think it might've came up in my Facebook timeline. It might've been one of your buddies that posted it or something even. I don't know.

Jesus Christ. We should bring it up too in it or something even. I don't know. Jesus Christ. We should bring it up too in that case. Here, I'll read this. And I mean this is, yeah, 11th of November, 2004, that fucking John Kerry loss is stinging. Fuck the South. Fuck them. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave.

But no, we had to kill half a million people so they stay part of our special union fighting for the right to keep slaves yeah those states wanted to keep i mean they would have you just just to stop there the whole point of the war was to keep them to stop slavery this weird thing of like we're noble in fighting to end slavery but fuck them we should have just let them go well then you wouldn't have ended slavery and now what do we get we're the fucking arrogant northeast liberal elite how about this for arrogant the south is the real america the authentic america really and there's the derision i was talking about yeah right right liberals have taken on because we fucking founded this country assholes those founding fathers you keep going on and on on and on about. All that

bullshit about why they think the second amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the sentence. Who do you think those wig wearing lacy shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue staters. I would argue that they were actually like rednecks with guns

half of the 13 colonies were in the south i feel like correct me if i'm wrong well what you wouldn't have didn't the fucking uh what's it the the the winning battle of the revolutionary wars in yorktown virginia right right and you we wouldn't have Maine. And we wouldn't have had also we wouldn't have had the money to continue the conflict if it wasn't A, for the French and B, for a lot of the fucking agriculture in the South that was built on slave

the Northeastern liberal elite guys had no problem funding their war off the backs of slave labor like everybody else. I'm totally sure about that. Oh, think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard no no get the fuck out we're not letting you visit the liberty bell and fucking plymouth rock anymore until you get over your real american selves and start respecting those other nine amendments who do you think

the fucking stripes on the flag are for nine are for fucking states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking screws together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started shit. So don't get all uppity about how real you are, Johnny, come lately. Ooh, I've been a state for almost 100 years, dickheads. Fuck off. And it just goes on. Yeah, right. You know, like eight more fucking atrocious paragraphs. This is something, yeah, no, something like we were talking about a minute ago.

This is something you notice a lot from the way liberals talk on the internet. They love to overuse curse words. It's weird. They don't know how to cuss good. They don't know how to cuss well. It's like everybody getting all happy about Kamala Harris fucking,

like fucking now swearing i missed that what did she do yeah what did she do i think she was she was in some like panel talk and she dropped a couple f-bombs and then i'm trying to i think adulting like a boss kamala harris adulting like a fucking boss saying the fuck word yeah no I mean I hate to single there's a certain extremely pro Hillary podcast that seems to be all about swearing as well and not really

anything else it's like it's a sort of impotent it's an impotent rage channeled through Reddit swearing well yeah and it gets into the whole performative like if you can just state your case well enough with enough fuck words if you talk louder you're right yeah oh it's bizarre there's always like that one well-placed

swear in like a in like a corbin monologue or corbin monologue sorkin monologue a Corbin monologue. Or Corbin monologue. Sorkin monologue. A Corbin monologue. Yeah, you know. This is America. Don't you fucking understand that? Yeah. The real fucking America. Nine stripes on that flag. Blue states, god damn it. Did you all see this book? It came out. It's by some

dude that's like this travel writer i think his name's thompson it's called better off without him yes i have seen that it came out a few years ago and like this guy was from like oregon and like i guess his mom or somebody was from georgia so he had like went to georgia in the summers and all this stuff but he basically it sounds like this guy might have written this. Right. But he, like, sat down with, like, James Cobb, who's this kind of, like, good old boy history professor at University of Georgia and, like, all these, like, southern academics. And they were, like, arbitrating, like, which states would go to.

Like, you know, kind of divvying it out. And, like, in that, like, it was funny. Because, like, you know, I kind of agree with some of the stuff Thompson had to say, but Cobb was like, well, just so you know,

you all don't get Texas and Florida. And it's like, as standalone economies, Texas and Florida are both in the top 20 in the world. You know what I mean?

It's like, they would be fine like if they, well, I mean, presumably. Right. But his whole book is like, it is like a book-length argument for why the South should leave.

What was this on the heels of? Wait, first of all, wait, we should go back for a second. What the fuck about Carrie losing so badly? Got someone that worked up. I mean, I don't know. I was like 17 at the time it's just kind of like water off my back but why did anybody really think carrie was gonna win that election i don't remember thinking he was gonna win but uh i mean just coming from like

at that point i was going to a super liberal private school in santa monica california and we were like having our teachers tell us, you know, Bush may bring back the draft, so we need to talk. We had a teacher come in. We had a teacher that was a conscientious objector in Nam come in and tell us about what it was like to go up and stand tall in front of the man and declare that he's a conscientious objector. Yeah, people were very, I mean mean people in blue states were just kind

of like and i mean it's almost kind of like people uh talking the way people think trump's demise is just you know constantly around the corner now right is that people just going like this guy's so atrocious i don't understand how how we can keep winning he's just so dumb and everything's going so badly yeah and i mean the end it would it it really just it took 08 for for mass public opinion to shift on the guy yeah um but yeah i think there were a i think there were plenty of plenty of liberals that thought it was in the tank for carry yeah you're right i shouldn't i shouldn't underestimate that like liberal propensity to um just totally believe inflated sense of their odds they're fucking i remember seeing on some some forum when i was like in high

school right around uh 2012 that had a lot of republicans on it um might have been some like gaming or something like military-ish so there were were a lot of like, like people that jerk off to military history on it. And they're like hardcore Republican guys going like this, this is in the tank for Romney guys. This everything's going so shitty. And just like the, just people getting banned the day after for going on full racist rants. Cause Obama got reelected.

You can really kind of just lull yourself into a, into a, into a bubble and think everything's going well for your team you're absolutely right you see it today with like ahca and like you know democrats uh fucking chanting hey hey hey goodbye and being convinced you know a year out that that that uh the ahca is complete collapse is going to tank the Republicans. Right. It's like you don't know how shit is going to go this far ahead, man. Nothing is inevitable. Yeah.

Right. I mean, full disclosure, because I mean, when it comes to like liberalism, I am like, when you meet those kids that grew up in like Quiverful and then escaped and moved to san francisco or something like that i'm like that except i haven't really ever left i've just become a big lefty staying here um but like i went to uh i went for two years i went to this high school called new roads in santa monica california um and there were some very very good things about it don't get me wrong like like it was a private school where half of the kids were there full like full ride sort of scholarships and the other half of the kids were paying absurd rates for uh their tuition i'll just let you guess which group i'm in there i'm judging on my the way that i sound in my frame of reference um but um like they you know we go we had it was a good it styled itself to as like a the an ultra progressive high school And it was very good in a lot of ways, you know

you know, you know whether it was being very very tolerant of the LBGT students or You know teaching us like I remember like learning about marks and stuff like that. It wasn't like full-on like Marxist indoctrination They're like German idealism and stuff like that. It wasn't like full-on Marxist indoctrination or anything. They're like, German idealism. It was like a pretty open-minded and well-rounded education, but it was also insane, sort of insane, crunchy L.A. liberal shit, like getting pulled out of class to all go to an assembly about fair trade coffee

and hemp clothing. Oh, God. All right, so travel ban. Travel ban. Travel ban. Yeah, we can move on from that if you want to or if we have anything else to say on the subject. I don't.

I really don't. It's just pure performative bullshit and the two most irrelevant and annoying wings of state governments on either side of the country. Right, okay. It's the worst East Coast-West Coast feud ever. The second worst East Coast-West Coast feud ever. Speaking of which, did you watch that new Tupac movie? I still haven't seen it. I'm so much of a nerd

for that period of LA hip-hop though that I probably will end up seeing it. I don't know. You guys ever seen Welcome to Death Row? That's a great documentary. Welcome to Death... I mean, I know what it is, but I've never seen it. I've never seen it either. I highly recommend it.

Not to take us down a blind alley, but it is, um, it's really fucking interesting. And it's so, it's so, um, it portrays Shug in such a negative light that death row didn't license any

death row music for the documentary. It's an hour and a half documentary about the inner machinations of death row records in the nineties without a single recognizable song being played. Hell yeah. The, uh, intermachinations of death row records in the 90s without a single recognizable song being played hell yeah the uh the all eyes on me biopic is pretty catastrophically bad it was it would have like um scenes of suge knight doing really like sociopathic shit like fucking strangling his boys in front of like strangling one of his like underlings in front of a room full of his boys and then like it would the camera would show tupac and he'd just be looking at suge like strangling one of his underlings in front of a room full of his boys. And then the camera would show Tupac, and he'd just be looking at Suge.

He'd be shaking his head. That's kind of fucked up, but then he'd be celebrating. Yeah, fuck him up, Suge. The camera would go back to him, and then he would be like, yeah, exactly, fuck him up, Suge. The movie did not know who it wanted Tupac to be, so it represents two... But you know in all the press run-up to be, so it represents, like, two...

But you know, like, in all the press run-up to that, they were like, well, he's a man of many contradictions, and that's why we did this. And it's like, bullshit, you just... Fucking, the writing's terrible. You just didn't know which line to take on him, yeah. Right, yeah. Another thing I thought was so weird about it

is, like, instead of showing, like, clips from, like, a live... Not clips, that's not the right... Because it's not the real Tupac but like you know when they're doing like the concert parts

yeah yeah yeah it would like you know like you would think it would be like it would do the chorus and maybe like part of the bar

and then it would go to like some other you know shot or something yeah but then like like it would just like have the chorus

and then like he would be like performing the second verse right you know what I mean like he just like performed whole the entire song. Like you might see in a concert documentary or something.

You know what I mean? I thought that was so strange. There was a couple sitting next to me who had been upwards of 60 or 65, and I would love to have known what the fuck was going through their mind. There was that scene early on in the movie where like Tupac was having a real serious conversation

with his dad and the guy leaned over to his wife and said, I don't remember that part. I was just like, wait, who are you? What are y'all about? Who are you here? But yeah, no, in the war between East and West, yeah. That's, shooters are gonna, like Death Row and Bad Boy will come back. i don't think bad boy records is gonna be on the side of the tennessee state legislature

what are you talking about corcoran just like what are you talking about take that Take that, take that, take that. Oh, shit. Well, so yeah, speaking of California, also I just saw a headline about this. I didn't really read the full article, but single-payer was something that was like it was on the table.

Yeah, it was on the table and it passed one of the state houses and then it was going to the assembly. I think it passed the state senate and it was going to the assembly. I think it passed the State Senate, and it was going to the Assembly. I hope I didn't fuck that up. I'm in LADSA, and we were actually pushing for it. So if I did fuck that up, I'm a bad comrade, and I'll be expelled from the chapter. Excommunicate.

Yeah. Well, we need more people so we can actually start a DSA chapter here. So just come here. Just come here. You should be on our— Yeah. Help us get off the damn ground. The three people in Whitesburg DSA. Just come here. You can be on our... Yeah, help us get off the damn ground. The three people in Whitesburg, BSA?

Yeah, right. There must be one at UK, or there must be YDS at UK, but... There is... In Louisville. Louisville, right. Yeah, and that guy has reached out to us and is like, I heard whispers of y'all getting going in Whitesburg. What's up with that?

Rural expansion is our number one priority, and so we're going to maybe take them up on it. Right. Do it. You need more work, guys. You need more shit to do. Yes. Always more shit to do.

So anyways. It had passed the first hurdle, and it went to the assembly, and it was shelved by Anthonyony rendon uh who is the uh speaker of the assembly i believe and he uh his rationale was that the bill wasn't like it wasn't well it wasn't costed enough there wasn't enough in it and like uh also uh the california state assembly needs to focus on fighting trump care um which sounds pretty fucking stupid to me considering one of the best ways to rebuke trump care would be uh passing single-payer at a state level right i've heard various different theories ranging from um it

on the most libby side them going uh it was it wasn't a, it was a sort of flawed bill. It wasn't costed enough. I've heard other explanations saying it actually, it was, and you know, there, there, there's a lot of stuff floating around about how it would not have, it wouldn't, it, we could have paid for it. It would have been fine. One of the most interesting explanations I've heard is that it was floated people the assembly people knew that it wasn't going to make it all the way they wanted it to clear one house so they could support it but then um not piss off donors by actually going through with it so they can say on paper and re-election like supported single-payer oh geez didn't actually get it through um

uh tony rendon has some shady connections to the pharmaceutical industry and um they they're on his donor list and he's he's got this weird thing where when confronted about being like blocking single-payer he goes like, I've always supported single pair. It gets really forceful and angry. He has to be pulled away by his age but doesn't do anything in practice to actually push it forward. So it's pissed people off. off and i'm i um i support primarying every fucking assemblyman that uh or running running even if i gotta run like a like a dog or something to scare them um running every single person that voted against it because i i i um i think that state level and i've seen decent left critique

saying that you know if it dies at any state level that's going to be the republican justification for blocking it but i'm full force every state that we can let's try and let's try and pass it right um because we're not getting a democratic majority anytime soon and people are dying like you're not gonna fucking you know this it's this is life or death shit for people and it's a winning issue that the majority of the public supports and we got to build on, um, we got to use this absolutely horrific period in American healthcare, um, to, to build a, a popular mandate for it. So start at the state and then hopefully, hopefully use it as a litmus test for who gets primaried in the, uh, uh, on the, uh, in the house and Senate, and Senate by progressive groups and

Try to build a build a majority off of that. Yeah, it's crazy. Um You know, so, you know, I know it wasn't full in 100% successful, but in Kentucky, it's like we're moving in the exact opposite direction They're Actually talking about restricting health care. We're rolling back Medicaid. Kentucky had the sort of most, I don't know, well-publicized rollout of Obamacare. Yeah, probably the most ballyhooed ACA success or whatever. Right, and then when Bevin took office as governor,

basically put into motion rolling all that back, and then, I don't know, it's just been spiraling downhill ever since. Who was your governor that the Dems put up as the response to the State of the Union? Steve Beshear. Steve Beshear, yeah. Steve Beshear. Yeah. Marionette. What was that?hear yeah who marionette what was that he looks like a marionette yeah i think i think he kind of looks like monty burns a little bit

he totally is he's totally mr burns you know what's what's interesting about us about that and i guess telling is he was shortlisted to be hillary's vp off of all the press he generated for ACA and all that shit. And he just got off. And what's interesting is, on Friday, I met with this guy, and I'll not mention who he is, but he's sort of one of the kingmakers in the Kentucky Democratic Party.

Fuck it. His name's A**. Yeah, we'll put him in there. I was gonna say I was gonna edit it out. So anyway. Yeah. yeah we'll put it in there i was gonna say i was gonna edit it out yeah so anyway yeah so i guess got this project or whatever and he's trying our grace club and he's trying to like sell grace club on getting behind his project and sort of like you know getting the good press and the good press hits about what they're doing and all this stuff and he he goes, you know, people down in your neck of the woods. You know, he puts that good old boy facade on when he's talking to, yeah. Fucking, anyway.

And he said, you know, the number one thing that people can rally around are these AEP, American Electric Power, rate hikes that everybody's experiencing right now. And I said, probably rivaled only by Medicare for All. And he said, yeah, and I guess Louisville basketball too. And I was confused as to if that's just willful ignorance or if they really think that that's not popular. No, they think it's not popular.

I mean, I've seen a lot of people on twitter like right now and also on facebook and stuff too like a lot of live liberals who really do think that um like universal health care is not popular like someone even had a twitter thread about this last night i can't even remember her name but she was saying like oh like socialist leftist bros and their idea that like the the general public is more left than um than the than the ruling classes like like this idea that um liberals i think liberals fundamentally distrust the masses they think that the masses are more conservative or they or honestly that yeah they think that they're more conservative or they they think the masses. They think that the masses are more conservative. Or they are honestly the they think that they're more conservative or they think the masses are more doctrinaire than they really actually are. Let's. Yeah. We've been told for fucking

years and years and years that people were voting for free trade, that the average conservative American voter was like super pro war and pro pro-free trade, pro-globalization. And we've just had a man that came out and said that the Iraq war was a giant mistake and that he wants to institute trade tariffs and pull out of NAFTA, stop TTP and all that shit, run candidly in the Republican primary. Shit had been told that people will only, conservative people, and that middle-of-the-road independents have to vote for somebody that's clearly a pious Christian. And even the most religious Christians voted for Donald Trump. Right.

And they find weird ways to justify it. Sometimes you see him phrasing it just like, you know, just like, but God bless, you know, he's a blessing. He's not a Christian. Yeah, they say like, oh, God uses his instruments, sir. You know what I mean? Like, God uses... God's always used cracked vessels. Yeah, God uses cracked vessels.

Yeah, so it's... I mean, it's absolutely insane. It's... Yeah, I think it's also indicative of sort of, quite honestly,, like policy nerds that think that think that their their sort of view of of how things should be is reflected in the general electorate. And I think it's I think it's bullshit. And I think if you just like I think if you can you there are always going to be like the guys that you see that are vehemently arguing against universal health care online aren't reflective of the people that you can mobilize, maybe on sort of paper lean more conservative or at least don't identify as liberal. lean more conservative or at least don't identify as liberal right um i think it's wrong to assume that like that like hundreds of millions of americans are um even if they are are are sort of

wouldn't consider voting for the dems in any other scenario our full turning point usa um medicare for all means we're Stalin's Russia people. You're right. Like, people, I don't know. I just don't know where they're coming from when they say that Medicare for all or universal health care is not politically feasible. It's like, nobody's going to fucking riot

if we pass universal health care. Like, there will not be riots. It's like the hillary staffer that was like like not everybody wants a 15 minimum wage like who are these people in what fucking universe and yeah it's it's um it's it's it's a very very odd um very odd mindset that you see among people that seem to seem to spend too much time in wonky circles. Yeah, I don't know. I can't wrap my mind around that shit.

I mean, like, my most cynical thing is that, like, it's them going, you know, nobody wants this because they are inextricably tied into the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, you know, via donations and shit, so they're just going to beat that dead horse for as long as they can because they know that they will face a lack of funding for their shit if they do it, but...

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, Drew, can we call you... Can we, like, disconnect? It's cracking up kind of bad. I don't know if it's doing the same thing. If you want to call me on my phone, you're more than welcome to do it.

Okay. I can do that. I'll hang up. Do whatever you need for the best connection. Okay, alright. I'm going to hang up real quick and then I'll probably give you a call back. Cool. All right, let's try this again. How are we doing?

That sounds better. That sounds a lot better yeah um in the early the early iraq war reporting when they when you remember do you remember like right when video like when they had that early precursor to skype but it fucking sucked yeah you got you got like digi christian am Amanpour. Baghdad Bob. Baghdad Bob. Well, Baghdad Bob was clear because it was actual news footage and they had fed to a local place. Yeah. Yeah, I'm talking about the hyper-pixelated David Gregory. Right. It's in the break there.

I just hopped over to Facebook real quick and saw a nice little post about how people who curse are typically smarter. Studies have shown how people who curse have higher IQs. Could be related to our conversation from earlier about liberals who like to curse a lot. I think that's so smart. Do you see those... God, now i'm remembering all the worst

sort of like addicting info and like occupied democrats like it's been proven that people who hold liberal views tend to have 10 to 5 more iq points than fucking there are literal yeah you're right there are academic studies about that, about that very fucking thing. But I don't know, I mean, it's, fucking Milton Friedman was a lot more educated than me, and a lot more conservative. Yeah, well. It's true, William F. Buckley's not exactly a dumb guy. No. No.

Well. I mean, that view of, or we were, sorry, we are recording again, right? I'm not. Yeah, we're recording again. I don't want to be just riffing without a way to monetize this shit. I mean, that sort of thing where conservatism is just the result of a lack of education and not reflective of just a different, and I would consider evil, view of human nature and how society should be structured is really, really frustrating to me. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, I'm talking about this about ideologues as well. Like I do. I think that there are people who through not so much like, yeah, there are people that if I think like had to sit down and take a take a bunch of political science courses might move left in how i think it's more it's more got to do with like i i think uh owning a conservative online is less likely to make a conservative move left in their thinking than that person

encountering actual like material changes to their lives or you know i mean whether it's like having like a gay son the classic example yeah care or getting fucked over by an employer or you know going to war and seeing having their 401k just fucking evaporated in front of them from a stock market crash

yeah these are much more informative things for people than like you know going you know I don't know I've lost my train of thought there I was trying to think of a great Sorkin-esque put down

you're right though they didn't even have they didn't even have cars when they wrote the second amendment you do a good Jeff Daniels that's a a good jeff daniels impression now it feels like we're on the newsroom well more on california i guess you need me to explain my my people to you yes explain your people to me i come from so you know i'm uh was born in texas and went to school there lived there for a long time. So I understand the secessionist mindset

You'd be surprised at the amount of people particularly liberal people in California that are in particular like and I can say this from Experience because I was probably on that for a while but like fuck really like hardcore fuck, Texas, right? When you get down to the history of it like California is another But then when you get down to the history of it, like California is another sort of settler colonial state where a bunch of white people forcibly had a coup d'etat against the Mexican government. And then there was a massive influx of immigrants from the eastern United States and we kind of acted like what was their territory at one point is now completely ours. And then fucked over the the existing mexican population

right um as well as fucking over the native americans and stuff so this sort of weird you know camifornia versus versus oh fucking this is so stupid that it could only happen in texas thing is it is an odd um it's not dichotomy yeah it's just window dressing i mean you know like one of them is enlightened and one of them are like they're backward. Two biggest prison populations in America, though. Two countries with the two countries. California was a country for like two months. Yeah.

Two biggest prison populations. Two states with the death penalty. Right. Yeah. I think it's a weird form of animosity. Yeah. And California also had, was it three strikes? Oh, yeah.

And it's the major contributor in our massively overcrowded prison population. Yeah, nationwide. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And Texas gave us Bush, butas gave us bush but california gave us reagan so that is true that is very true um although technically i think new hampshire probably gave us bush kenny kenny bunk port main right i mean johnson i mean yeah i mean texas gave

us johnson who was altogether from a left perspective even though i think he was personally right I mean yeah I mean Texas gave us Johnson who was altogether from a left perspective even though I think he was personally pretty in a warmonger at least instituted great society and war on poverty and that sort of stuff domestically a plus plus plus

foreign policy oh yeah the best foreign policy oh yeah the best foreign policy. Oh yeah, the best. Yeah. You can't have it all with them. Yeah, they're greatly improving welfare and helping pass civil rights. They're also going to kill like a million

non-white people on the other side of the world. Right. Also, didn't we conclude that Johnson has the biggest presidential hog running away with it? Johnson has the biggest presidential hog Running away with it Yeah He has the biggest dick and he did the Power move of taking dumps while

Talking to his staffers That's the most G shit ever Is it not God damn I don't know Yeah I guess that is G shit I should start trying it out. You know those books that are like

eight habits of highly successful people? Like that has to be one of those habits. Taking dumps with your underlings in front of your inferiors. Yeah. I think you get, I don't, I think you get, that's a harassment suit no matter which sex you're doing that with nowadays.

I don't think you can pull that off. You cannot. The stakes have to be so high. It literally has to be the top of government where you can get away with making your aides come in while you shit. Yeah, I'm sure Trump does way more disgusting shit. I mean, the guy is disgusting In general

So But he doesn't have a hog Like that So he's not gonna invite Anybody into the stall You don't think Yeah you don't think Trump has

Clearly he doesn't Yeah psychologically You can just tell Yeah you can tell That guy has not got A big ol' hog He's making fake time Covers

And framing them At his fucking golf courses That is the most Absurd shit I've ever seen Well It's up there yeah um yeah more i mean i i think also sort of um uh and i and i think this is just a general this is a weird thing with where california is viewed as this like um this incredibly progressive

place and the sort of like you know the uh the the flagship of liberal america it's not a politically homogenous state. Like, yeah, we have major urban centers that are very, very, that are democratic strongholds. You have, you know, San Francisco, which is like got incredibly, the Bay Area in general,

which has a very, very, as we all know, strong leftist history and is a democratic stronghold. You have LA and uh hollywood hollywood baby hollywood but we have that's those are two cities in a gigantic fucking state and you know you drive 30 45 minutes north of la and there's just as much real tree and uh oh yeah totally luke bry Bryan albums being played than anywhere else oh yeah

for sure yeah that's right and and and not only that I mean like so I've been I've been going down to San Diego a lot lately uh seeing a seen a seen a lady friend and um you know like you forget you forget just like San Diego is like a city that is entirely built on the military industrial complex. Right. It's like this. It's like this weird. It's like it's like the last city in America before Mexico. So it has to be the most American city ever.

Yeah. it's gotta be it's gotta be like milkshakes and burgers and hot rods and fucking like black hawk helicopters flying over your house 24 7 god i don't want to rip on san diego because san diego's a fun place but right it is it is hyper american and it is very it is very weird how uh its proximity to the border makes them want to highlight their patriotism and sort of jingoism I guess right

the real America the real America the real America I mean we got Orange County which is one of the biggest Republican strongholds in the state has the highest concentration if you were to ask people like where where in america has the highest concentration of neo-nazi groups anywhere in america like most people would honestly go like

oh it's gotta be mississippi or alabama or something like that oh it's orange county california oh yeah it's it's surf nazis it's like the guy uh it's like it's like states keach in american history x it's like tons of guys like that down there or or uh or guys kind of like although he lives in la county at the moment but i think he prefers oc guys like kirchlichter like oh hell yeah jerk off right wing lawyer guys right yeah right that's it guys yeah we actually just california just um tried to some democrats proposed a bill we had an old uh we had an old statute that said you couldn't be an elected official in the state of california if you're a member of the communist the cUSA ever or a member of any communist organization. Yeah.

And I remember sharing the article and all my friends sort of laughing and going like, oh, yeah, interesting development. I don't think a lot of CPUSA people are going to run because they're too busy being cops. That's what I was going to say. I was like, well, that sure is disappointing news for a lot of cops plenty of cp usa people in the fraternal order of police already that's the one union but um they um uh it went forward uh and then it got killed by republicans and some prominent people i guess some prominent community activists in the Vietnamese community in Orange County, which is pretty politically active and I think consists of a lot of people that fled after the Vietnam War. So they're pretty rabidly anti-communist.

Anti-communist, right. It's more conservative than you would imagine and more conservative uh economically than than i think a lot of uh i think a lot of sort of city liberals would uh would would think yeah um i was listening to this podcast um the jacobin podcast podcast with dan denver and they had this guy peter andreas on there and he was talking about how like the the border like the very first like sort of like immigration enforcement measures and some of the first harshest ones, you know, including the border wall or whatever we consider that to be now all started in California. Like it wasn't Texas. It was Southern California. I mean, I think back to like just in particular Los Angeles in the mid-20th century, like in the 50s and 60s. I know 100% it was in the 50s, but it might have extended into the 60s. The LAPD would actively recruit.

They would actively recruit in the South, and they would look for x um they would look for southern cops but then they'd also look for ex-marines ex-army guys from alabama mississippi tennessee and georgia i believe um because they wanted to cultivate a very strong sort of white supremacist police department fucking hell yeah that makes total sense though yeah i mean we had um um shit la had a red squad into the early 80s like yeah yeah it's it's it's it's uh it's a lot more right a lot more right-wing than you think fuck me it was at la county sheriffs that were in like a weird sort of quasi neo-nazi gang like a gang within the police department. Right. Called Vikings, I think it was called.

They all had matching tattoos, and they'd all get, like, every single time they had a fatal shooting, they would get a, each guy would get a tattoo. Holy shit. That shit is dark. That is so fucking dark. Well, this lib says you should go your own way. Get the F out of our union, sir. I think Cal Exit is dead for now,

and I think the people that were pushing that have packed it up. But that would be such an atrociously stupid idea, I can't even get started i mean if you want to live in a in a place where we get like none of our power is generated here most of our water comes from red states i mean we get our in southern california we get our water a lot of our water from the colorado river and reservoirs that are close to the Nevada border like in red counties in California not even just red states we would be

waterless we would be powerless and we would be told like techie libertarian dipshits yeah just be a fucking Kentucky is fucked up in its own way but at least we don't have Peter Thiel.

So that's good. Well, J.D. Vance, though. Yeah, we do. I guess I'm J.D. Vance. Fuck. Yeah, we'll have Silicon Holler, baby. Hell yeah. Disrupt the Holler. You know, it's interesting.

You're talking about the Luke Bryan and the Realtree and all that stuff. We had just wrapped up that White Trash book by Nancy Eisenberg. Yeah. And we'd love to get her on this show if anybody knows how the hell to do that. She teaches at LSU, but she doesn't have an email. way uh in the book uh bakersfield and whittier figure pretty heavily as like places where like people from appalachia and the ozarks and kind of the okies from muskogee sort of migrated that going california way california way and try to find some jobs it's great that you brought that

up because i was just about to say the other thing that the lapd did uh in like the mid 30s was send a detachment of officers to the state line with arizona to literally stop okies at gunpoint and send them back yeah yeah and there is a lot of um there are you know deep sort of deep okie roots all over california oh yeah weird weird side note is i met a guy my name is nutter that's my actual weird last name and i was down in i was down in san diego the other weekend and i met a guy whose last name was nutter and it was the first time i had ever uh met another person in person whose last name was nutter and they uh was like, okay, my family's from Indiana and Kentucky, but my parents are from Chicago. They moved here.

And this guy was like, oh, no, my family's been here since the 1930s and they're all from Arkansas. And I was like, oh, so the only other Nutter's out here are ex-Oakies or ex-Dust Bowl people. Yeah. Those are your people. That's good. Yeah. Those are your people. Yeah. But yeah, interesting what you say about Whittier.

Whittier is now mostly Hispanic, I believe. Yeah, and it's where Richard Nixon's from, right? No, he's from Yorba Linda. Yorba Linda, okay. For some reason I thought there was something about Nixon, there was some Whittier-Nixon connection. Right. But she was talking in the book about housing discrimination against Okies

and people from Appalachias and the Ozarks. They would actually build these towns that were like the first trailer parks, the first housing developments that were stigmatized. They called them... God, there was a phrase for it but basically they put up these like you know like privacy fences huge privacy fences around it so as not to you know disrupt the uh the aesthetic you know but anyway yeah and and like the the whole chapter was on like trailer culture and all this stuff. And I think like, and I don't know how you would do this.

Maybe it's just like an accent test or something. I don't know. But like Okies could only buy trailers. And that's kind of where that whole kind of stigma started from. That's fucking wild. I know I'm botching all those details, but. But we get the general. We get the broad strokes.

That's the gist of it. Californians, we're assholes to okies. That's the broad... We're assholes to okies. Yeah, I'm thinking about how you would skirt that test, because, I mean, it would just be, like, I think it would be a matter of, like, I don't know, like, doing a fake sort of, like,

fake sort of, like, upper-class bow-tie dipshit southern accent. Yeah. Fake sort of like upper class bow tie dipshit southern accent? Yeah. Like fucking, what's the guy on King of the Hill? Gilbert Dautry? Uh-huh. Right.

What's the guy, who's the guy from the Kenburn Civil War, the southern historian? Oh, Shelby Foote. Shelby Foote, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it kind of sounds like foghorn leghorn.ians Oh, Shelby Foote. Yeah. It kind of sounds like Foghorn Leghorn. Yeah, I come from. No, the Mesa safety. They're like, welcome in, sir.

Come on in. I'm trying to think of more California stuff that can relate to it. Oh, that thread! People were talking shit about Kentucky. That's what I wanted to talk about, too. That was the other thing I wanted to talk about. This is the ultimate. Right.

So, okay, so the person, I wish I had it pulled up here. It was like a fucking 19-year-old fucking Twitter person. Like, I wasn't even that mad at it. What was so funny is just seeing, like, the whole Big Blue Nation descend on this poor gal. She's going to look back on that in 10 years and she'll be like, that was stupid. I actually like Kentucky a whole lot.

She'll visit like she did. She should have totally went with Maine. Something like that. There is myopia among Californians that I that I have noticed because, you know, we're such a big state. So like and we have quite a lot of sort of geographic diversity that if you're like, let's say you grow up in sort of like the misty north of the state and you want to go live in the sunshine, you can move down south. and you want to go live in the sunshine, you can move down south.

Or if you reverse and you grow up down south and you're sick of Spanish tiles, a cosmopolitan experience, you go move to San Francisco and get a septum piercing. We got deserts, we got beaches, we got mountains, we got forests. We basically only don't have jungle. This sounds like that Arnoldwarzenegger commercial where he's like you know there's like all these like disney world montages and shit playing in the background right california something forever yeah we we can hang it's like a shot of like rob low holding a surfboard yeah rob low hanging out with surf nazis and the guy with

a hair lip from american history x like the crazy fucked up nazi like the head yeah this is those three together we got it all got it all or yeah it would always be like yeah or it'd be like it'd be like ted danson getting a massage on the beach we we know when to relax but then like a shot of zuckerberg walking into the office and going but we can also button it up too yeah yeah zuckerberg those those california ads went far i I was living in England in fucking like 2010, and I was freezing my ass off at like an open-air overground tube station and like looked up, and there was just a big-ass picture of some guy doing like the fucking Hang Ten logo, holding a longboard, walking down the beach in Monterey or something.

He's like, come to... Trying to convince Brits to come to California. You don't want them, trust me. Geez. Wow. We're like at an hour and a half audio. I think this is good

this is fun Drew we had a blast anytime guys I love you guys love your podcast anytime you need me to drink beer and talk shit I'll do it for sure we'll take you up on that

yeah I'll promote the shit out of this to my whopping 650 followers on Twitter.com. Influential leftist podcasters. Yeah, it's so tough. Yeah, yeah. I'll throw out some of my best stuff and it's like one like god damn it

that's wise sometimes I look back on my twitter and I'm like how many followers have I gotten just by in particular screen capping like really atrocious like-Hillary wine moms. Right. I saw a guy the other day

or literally last night go like, I love doing it, but there's absolutely no political value to doing this. I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm still fucking doing it. I'm still fucking doing it. Yes, Dan. Undaunted.

Undaunted Undaunted Well Have a good evening Thanks so much dude We'll holler at you Need a what? Anything We'll let you know

Great Sounds good brother Appreciate it man Have a good evening It's like this though. I'm tired of folks you're saying Close mind the folks on fans like we got a demo tape and on the body one here But it's like did the South got something to say that's all I got to say