Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 168: Jet Fuel Can't Melt Clout

Episode Date: October 15, 2020

(The audio gets better a couple minutes into the episode) This week we cover: the earliest known Devil's Milkshake (at least in Trillbilly canon anyways); the Hillbilly Elegy trailer; and the McGrath vs. McConnell Senate debate Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Let's try it one more time with bandwidth. I'm going to start recording on my end. I'm recording on my end, and I've got a new setup with the new computer. Oh, that's good. You've got to hit recording on the squad cast, though. I don't have no way to record on my end. Hold on one sec. I'll be right back. And way to record on my end hold on one sec i'll be right back

and it sounds good on my end it sounds good when you're spanking my end it sounds good it's time for a new computer it's time to sound real professional I think I figured it out and I don't know how I lucked out I'm a piece of shit

I don't deserve this nice technology I don't know how I got in this this nice technology. Oh my God. I don't know how I got in this position where I have to talk three hours a week. I don't know why, but... Yes? It's bleeding over into my headphones.

You got them loud headphones, dog. No, I got the noise cancelers. They usually don't do this. Well, mine are technically noise cancelers, but you got to turn them down. You got to turn them down. I'm way down. I can barely hear you all. I don't hear any feedback.

How weird. I don't hear any feedback either. And I was just singing loud as I can. Will you give me feedback on your end, Tom? Yeah, I'm going to start up. My man's got feedback. He doesn't know he should have a feedback instead of feedback. Oh, my God.

You're out of control. I'm putting oats in Tom's feed bag and I'm going... Never mind, I know what it is. There's a goddamn garbage truck outside. They're taking out the garbage in Tom's house and that means all of his takes are on the couch in the middle of the street. Y'all gotta hit hit record on this broadcast.

They didn't catch me. Yeah. Yeah, you got to hit record. I'm going to go ahead and set the over-under at six for how many times the internet drops out during this episode. Okay. I'm going to say eight. Let's take them over. What do you got, Tanya?

I'll lowball at five. You're taking them under. Okay. Well, here we go. Welcome, everybody, to – oh, wait. That's Terrence's job. Welcome to the show. Don't get ahead of your own, bitch.

It's time for the Trill Billy show with your favorite guest J.D. Vance and Tonya Turner man I'm sitting here tracking all these packages that I sent out t-shirts and stuff yeah and I sent

this one to Boston and for some reason they delivered it to an unknown address in Lexington, Kentucky. What the hell? United States Postal Service? Yeah. Trump did that himself, just to troll you. Did you really mail somebody a pair of your scissors, Tom?

I have no idea how that happened. I don't even own those scissors. So one of two things happened. Either somebody is doing a little fast one just for the yuck yucks, or maybe my friend Sarah, who has two kids and was helping me out, maybe he got a little frazzled and put some. Those do look like children's shears, so possibly that happened. We're family business here at trailbillies damn right by

that i mean we employ families at low wages entire family very low make children child service all right it's conflict t-shirts we got children there oh god Oh, God. Lord help us. Oh, man. Welcome to the show this week. Week of October 15th, 2020. I wish you would stop saying that shit. You don't like it when I say that? No, I hate to know what the day is. I hate to know that we're in the middle of October. This is not right.

Time's not real, and I don't appreciate it. I got to do that for future, for posterity. See, the thing is, these episodes age really poorly. And so the only way that this is even going to be comprehensible to people in the future is if they know what was going on at the time. It still won't be. We have no memory. They're're not gonna go look up what happened um you know so uh in the past i've tried to track down the earliest known historical instance of a devil's milkshake.

Right? Earliest? Yeah. What you got? So, the earliest one I can find, and it's not even that long ago, but, I mean, it does

go to show you. Well, I'd like to point out that the earliest is probably the devil herself. She probably, I mean, isn't that since how most things work, whoever it's named after, that's who it is? I'd appreciate if you quit misgendering the devil, please. Kiss my ass. When she left heaven, she probably threw back some holy water she wasn't allowed to have and was like, see ya, suckers. You know, that's not actually in the Bible.

It's one of the things that's not really in the Bible. We always hear there's this great war in heaven and the devil and a third of his angels got kicked out. It's not in there. There's plenty of shit that's not in the in the bible abortion not in the bible well so you know as a historian as an enthusiast of politicians doing really wacky shit i have been interested in this idea of finding the very first historical example of a devil's milkshake now if for some reason you're listening to this and have no idea what that is well not even really we really know what it is there has been a lot of debate recently and argumentation on this podcast as to what actually qualifies as a devil's milkshake. So the first known instance of a

devil's milkshake, and if you want a little more information on this, you can go back to episode 134. It's called the devil's milkshake. But I think the very first instance of this might give us a little bit of a clue into what it is and so you know i'm going to go ahead and posit that for it to be a devil's milkshake the person has to be democratically elected they have to be elected in a democracy it can't it can't be a monarch or a tyrant doing the devil's milkshake, right? Maybe you guys disagree. I don't know. If so, that would mean we can only go back about 300 years.

I have no qualms about it. It can't be a tyrant? That's what you're saying? Right, right. Because to me, there has to be this sort of dialectical relationship between the act and the idea that there is some brighter better future yeah it's all it's a ruse it's a foreclosing on any kind of democratic accountability dictators would have no interest actually in convincing anyone that they care about them Exactly

I'm with you So on that note then This is the earliest known instance of one I can find Like I said it's not that long ago But traveled in time with me back to the summer of 1973 Really? Yes really

That's the earliest one you found so far i know when the living was good and love was easy i'm with you okay let's do it 73 yeah doobie brothers is playing on the radio um graham parsons has just died in a desert oh god that's terrible. 1973. This is in New Jersey. Now, I know that there's got to be instances of this before this. But keep in mind, I've not been able to find them. And someone sent this to us months ago. And I've had it in my back pocket.

I cannot find that person's name. So, if you sent this to me, I apologize. Send me a message. I'll give you a shout out on the next episode. guys, send me a message. I'll give you a shout out on the next episode. This is in New Jersey, summer of 1973 in a little town called Glen Gardner.

The mayor's name is Stanley Olenek. I don't know how to say his last name. Olenek, I guess. O-L-E-N-I-A-C-Z. Okay. Polishman.

A Polishman, right. There was a dispute in the summer of 1973 with the county that Glenn Gardner was in over water running down Main Street and who was responsible for it. While the county road supervisor, Richard Peterman, Dick Peterman... I didn't even notice that.erman, Dick Peterman. I didn't even notice that.

Wow. Dick Peterman. Dick Peterman. Richard Peterman, but... Oh, yeah, baby. Hi, I'm Dick Peterman. Dick Peterman. He's the County Road Supervisor.

Richard Peterman insisted at a borough council meeting that it was in fact sewage from a cesspool. Mayor Olenek said it was simply spring water. Peterman challenged him to drink it. So egged on by residents, along with the reporter and a photographer for the Hunterton County Democrat, residence along with the reporter and a photographer for the hunterton county democrat the mayor took a glass dipped some water out of the gutter along the street and drank it so to be clear dick said suck it down and the mayor did it and the mayor obliged the resulting photo and article made the front page of the Democrat that week, including his remark that the water tasted, quote, kind of soapy. Are you serious? That's what he said?

Yep. Pretty good, right? 1973. Like I said, I know that there are instances before that, but that's the best one I can come up with. that but that's the best one i can come up with i mean like you know because that that one fits in with all the classic iconic images like obama drinking flint water or the colorado guy whose name i'm blanking on at this point drink that that that is the archetypal devil's milkshake setup yeah glass of water or glass of something you don't know what it is. Do you remember the time, Terrence, we almost saw Devil's Milkshake live? There was one we almost witnessed live. The guy did not do it, though.

He refused to do the Devil's Milkshake. Well, if you remember, he was told to have a seat. Relax a little bit. By God, go pour me a glass of water. I'll drink it right now. That's what it was. Everybody said, sit down.

Sit down. We were over it. But you two were like, yeah, yeah, do it. You better believe me and Tom were in the back. Our eyes were massive. We were like, yes. I was jonesing for that. I hit him, Terrence.

I said, oh, God, man god man this is gonna be great let's do for those not all we're talking about martin county kentucky had a massive massive massive uh slurry pond spill it's like all the waste runoff from when they mine coal goes into like basically a little man-made pond not a little man-made pond a big man-made pond and one ruptured and covered Martin County, Kentucky. I think it was, what was it, three times larger than the Exxon Valdez oil spill? That's what they say. And consider Martin County, Kentucky is already 25% of the landmass

has been strip-mined of the whole thing. Yeah, and not for nothing, Harvard owns most of it. Right, right. This is a whole thesis. Yeah, this is a whole different thing. Martin County. Sink, sink's there. Yeah, sink, sink's there.

That's where Kodak Black's currently locked up. Yeah. Really? Are you kidding? No, he's locked up in Martin County. You should try to go see him. I think Tom recently posted something about that, and someone online was like, I'll have you know he's in there for sexual assault.

Okay. All right. Okay. So anyway, there was this guy that worked for the water department there. Me and Terrence were at this little community meeting about the water because the water is so garbage. And another also not insignificant tie-in, the guy that's the current head of the board of the U.S. Postal Service

is from Inez, who's the guy that runs the bank in Inez, Martin County. Oh, really? And we'll take it up with him about your package not getting to Boston. Yeah, go holler at that guy, not me. And the guy that ran the water plant came in that meeting he sat down crossed his arms he said by god he said get me a cup i'll drink it right now this is right after a guy said that he got a flesh-eating bacteria from the water and it like took a chunk out of his like back yeah i mean it's a it's a funny

gamble to think about because you know you see the machinery working in their minds where they're like surely just a sip or two i'll be fine and it'll get these people off my ass well have you all ever seen it done in the different way where like activists have showed up with the devil's milkshake and are pressuring someone to drink it I've been a part of that I've seen that tactic I saw somebody

that shall remain nameless slam a milk jug full of brown water on the table at Power Shift in Pittsburgh and you bum hooked me and gone tanya because you didn't want to slam he said you could buy this from any gas station in eastern kentucky i was like that ain't right oh lord well my favorite time was uh with though uh what's his dick who used to run the coal association oh bill bissett bill bissett yeah i don't call her they uh showed up with the devil's milkshake to try to

get him to drink it i think he actually did you remember how you know it's funny about the devil's milkshake i was watching mad men the other night there's a scene where peggy olsen is like the peggy olsen character is like i want to create something of lasting importance i want to create i want to have a i think she said like a tagline or a phrase or something and in my mind i was like you know what if nothing else i've done that at least in my life i have coined the phrase devil's milkshake oh my god there's meaning to my life after all mercy tom gets we'll let tom gets to claim y'all star yeah that one may not that may not that may not have the staying power may not stand the test of time i've been pluried for even coming up with

that yeah um speaking of y'all stars and martin county um there was a debate on tuesday night that we probably should talk about or oh fuck or we could look this is choose your own adventure we could do all kinds of we can do whatever we want we can talk about the debate well actually i have a clarifying question about kodak black okay is he really in for sexual assault because no one goes to jail for sexual assault certainly not uh famous people rich people i have not i have not i've not even looked into his case i think there was maybe something like that on there but i have no idea he was sentenced to nearly four years in prison um on federal weapons charges yeah that sounds more like it

people do not go to jail for sexual assault you're right That is not at this point. It's hard. You'd be, give me some evidence that that's a jailable offense. Cause it does don't happen. Well, good. I can tell that person who tried to cancel us.

Okay. Nevermind. Good. Like did black actually did sexual assault, sexually assault. I'm sure he did. I'm not saying he didn't. That's not what he's locked up for.

That's not, that ain't what he's locked up that's that ain't what he's locked up for i see now anyway anyways um a lot to talk about this week a lot to talk about this week we got a lot to the agenda first up we have dropped uh just yesterday as of wednesday the trailer for the new ron howard movie bitch i thought we had drawn a lot in the sand that we weren't going to fuck with it. We did, but when the Lord shows his bounty on us, we might as well eat. Well, I don't really want to... We don't really have to talk about it because what else is there to say about it? But there was...

Lettuce and cake. There was a hilarious... There were a lot of really funny responses. I mean, every time that they... I mean, I can only imagine how bad it's going to be when they actually release the film. But just the trailer alone set off 24 hours of unmitigated weighing in on Appalachia, which was always fun. Yeah. I'll tell you how I know something like this has popped off is I start getting tagged in.

I start getting tagged in on Twitter and tweet threads about the real Appalachia. People love to tag. People love to tag in. They're like, hop in here. Come on. Yeah. Like, yeah, if you want. No, it's always like, oh, if you want us, if you want to check on the up on the real appalachia follow these accounts it's like honey if you've come here for real appalachia you've come to the wrong goddamn place i do not have much to offer you tanya is this tanya's first admission of of joining the petty bouge oh my god sure take it as you want just leave me alone well i it's i always know something's up when you go to bed and the most interesting thing happening is i don't know lebron won the championship or something like that and then you wake up to the men she's full and then you go oh

right yeah something well i mean i really do anytime i have a if i've not been on twitter a lot and anytime i get on and i have a ton of notifications my heart sinks i saw my stomach because i just know it's some it's some trailbilly massacre i saw someone dunking on jd vance and they were like he's so bad this podcast dedicated their entire worldview to refuting him and i was like oh man don't put that on me bro we just did one i'm just the thoughtful coal miner okay that's i'm yeah i'm just the baddest coal miner fucking a but there was a really funny take i saw uh from jackman magazine of all places this one

was pretty funny um don't watch hillbilly elegy listen to dolly parton instead the way it was worded was funny it said why would anyone seek answers about life in appalachia from a right-wing former venture capitalist when they could put on a dolly record instead and it's like you could just reword you could just reword that sentence to say why would anyone seek answers about life in appalachia from a right-wing former venture capitalist when they could just hear when they could listen to a prevaricating cowardly uh regular capitalist yeah good god uh which begs begs the question here was dolly do you think dolly's mentions were full of people asking her to chime in on jd i doubt we need i mean it mean, it's emblematic of these times we live in, and it's the same thing

when people try to tag you in and stuff. Like, when they see something that they don't like or see something being represented in a way that they don't like, they immediately have to construct another sort of shibboleth or myth or whatever that can go to battle with that in the arena of discourse.

So it's like, oh shit, JD Vance is getting attention. Well, I deployed Dolly, and it's like oh shit jd vance is getting attention well i deploy dolly and it's like pokemon you know what i mean like so you throw out your dolly pokemon and then they yeah and and then like if you you're like behind on the times you don't know that dolly don't get it done anymore in that arena right so that's why people throw out us but you know the pokemon ball opens and i just crawl out you know frail and i'm smoking a cigarette and i'm like you're smoking a cigarette and hitting an inhaler because you can't smoke cigarettes if you have asthma i start out with chest pain don't tag us in is what i'm saying don't tag us in that's what i'm saying don't deploy us because yeah i was about to say i roll out half naked slinging tarot cards at people that's my only

i'm trying to slice yeah you're like hello gambit and you're fucking throwing tarot cards the what i'm actually getting at about don't come to me for answers about the real appalachia it's because there's not a real appalachia this is all just ridiculous this is absolutely fucking ridiculous oh i agree that's why my take on jd vance is like who cares i mean whatever dude well what's crazy is like netflix is just i mean they're just i mean it's obviously they're just trying to make money but on the same day they dropped this uh this fucking um trailer did you see they announced that they are turning the book cast into a netflix film too cast i've not heard of it by wilkerson what's what's her name cast shit the book cast you haven't heard of it. By Wilkerson. What's her name? Cast?

Shit. The book Cast. You haven't heard of this new book that just came out? By Danielle Still? By Dean Coots? Come on, you dumbass. Hey, speaking of... What's it called?

Cast. Like Cast System. Oh, Cast. Oh, with it i still haven't heard of it but i know what you're talking about and got it gotcha what about um isabel wilkerson that's the anyway it's just um i mean i haven't read cast yet i have it on my wish list and i can go buy it for me i'd be great um but uh it just seems like a pretty different take on the world than what ojds is so it's not like netflix cares about any of this you know what i mean it's not like Netflix cares about any of this. You know what I mean? It's like, no, I mean, they have no interest in any of these storylines. Oh, definitely not.

I mean, I, I, obviously hillbilly elegy is just being made. So Glenn Close and Amy Adams can get Oscars. And if they do more power to them, I don't care, whatever.

And, uh, and over on, but I mean, I, I mean, it probably is smart money it's on the it's it's spent how long on the bestsellers list oh long time yeah and i mean i don't i personally don't know another bestseller that's hated by so many people but i'm sure there are plenty i just don't know anything about bestseller lists or books at this point it's it's it's really funny um because i was like sitting sitting here

and i was thinking about jd vancille's like man uh you know surely there's something profound to say about this and i was like and then it like hit me like well we already did that i literally forgot for a few minutes that we had done it i will say that it was kind of double depressing for me because i've had multiple friends in the dms and in group chats that are like oh i can't wait to hate watch this with you guys and that just makes that's just convinced me that we have taken such a bad turn. That we truly have so little joy in this world that we are already planning to hate watch something together that we hate and actually don't want to watch. Here's what I love. Here's what I love, though.

We're saying that, but you know, in the back of your mind, you're licking your chops at the idea of watching this shit. I mean, I love Glenn Close. Okay, that's what it is. You're a Glenn Close fan. I am. I can't believe it's Glenn Close. I did not know. I was watching it and I was just

like, wait, who is that? She looks like Claymation going close. Yeah, she's been transformed. She has been transformed. Well, that's why I say that this, I mean, not an original point by any means, but it's very obvious that it's just Oscar bait, right? I mean, like, any time you present a film where an actor gets to oh i don't know get addicted to drugs and lose a lot of weight like the actor hollywood actors love that they're like that'll

give me an oscar that's what i need finally well they they have to play someone so deeply like true like actually disease so deeply actually unwell and that's how they that's how they're just like so excited to depict Appalachia is just like deeply unwell which it is don't don't get it twisted in this economy sure yeah all right yeah Yeah. In this healthcare system? Absolutely. I mean, yeah. I mean, once again, I really don't really care. But the trailer was pretty funny because the quote about it that was going, that was making the rounds that everybody was laughing at was the Meemaw played by Glenn Close was like, there's three kinds of people in this world. Good Terminator, bad Terminator, and neutral Terminator. in close was like there's three kinds of people in this world good terminator bad terminator and

neutral terminator is that even in the book i don't remember it being in there i feel like i would remember that for some reason um but you know i don't know i do i do want to see if jd do you like to suck cock makes it it off the cutting room floor. I was about to say, I really hope that Meemaw says, do you like to suck cock, son? And then he says, Meemaw, I'm flabbergasted. That's the line.

I'm flabbergasted. Meemaw, what is it about my presentation makes you think that? You know, I think it, know it is an interesting choice what or is it have they is this a narrated film is jd narrating i don't know if i got that out of the trailer or not i bet i bet he is it has to be a narrated film yeah i guess because i i was gonna say it's a pretty bold choice that they're not gonna have jd narrating but he probably is this shit looks like it's like

gonna be like the buttercream gang or rigoletto or one of those type movies i used to love that where was it shot you y'all say it was shot in atlanta or somewhere yeah they were shooting it last summer when we were down there Yeah, they were shooting it last summer when we were down there. That's crazy. Check out this tweet. Check out this quote from Trump. I just saw.

Trump is talking about his son getting coronavirus. My baron, my tall baron. He's very tall. My beautiful baron. Handsome. He's handsome. But my beautiful baron had it. He recovered like so fast.

I said, wait a minute. How long did that take? My beautiful Baron. He's so beautiful. Hey, does Harris, did Harris get COVID? Oh, Kamala? Yeah. I don't think so. I saw on the news that she was quarantining or something.

Maybe she just got exposed. Maybe it's because she was at the debate with Pence, who is rumored to be. Oh, did Pence get it? I mean, that's what they're saying. God, did you see this Trump quote? Someone said to me the other day, you're the most famous person in the world by far. I said, no, I'm not. They they said who's more famous i said jesus christ oh my god beautiful jesus my beautiful jesus i don't know my beautiful jesus he's always handsome

he's so tall and handsome don't know why oh Oh my God. Nobody knows. Nobody knows why they killed him. I would have never let it happen, folks. I would have never let him go down. They put a spear in his side and all of his insides came out. Then they put they rolled the tomb. Did you see them roll the stone away? He walked horrible stuff.

Imitating our enemies. This is just the bottom of the barrel we continue to his clothes were left they saw the marks on his hands timothy cried thomas doubted he didn't believe it thomas didn't believe it. That's why they called him Thomas. They gambled for his robes, folks. They gambled for his robes. They left him in their nudes. You know, Terrence, I do appreciate you trying to dig up the earliest devil's milkshake. But I believe, I don't know how anyone will ever top the devil's milkshake of intentionally getting COVID on the lips.

Did someone do this prior to 1973, Tonya? No, it ain't the first, but it has to be the craziest. So you think that's why he did it, huh? You think he did it to, I mean. Not necessarily, but people are. People are definitely getting COVID just so they can go around and beat their chest i'm in tennessee right now and it is very disturbing i went out last night to the grocery store the grocery store as a company the food city has a mask policy but there's not a mask mandate in the state and people who live where i mean there are people

not wearing masks where we live sure but it's a minority and but here i went to a drive-in to order oats a little greasy spoon little greasy burger and i looked in there and no one had on a mask and the girl came to my car with no mask have you have you seen the photos of trump's rally? He had a massive rally in Iowa last night that apparently violated all of the White House guidelines as to what to do about COVID. But there's photos of it, and there's just thousands and thousands of people just packed into a tiny... I mean, some of them are wearing masks, not most of them are still packed in god damn oh my god covid is like spiking in 40 something states i saw this thing yesterday that said that most of the new it was in the washington post like most of the new covid cases and deaths are in red states.

And that, that, you know, it's, it's kind of a, it kind of fucks with your head a little bit because for me, if there's only one reason to vote for Biden and, and for me,

it only comes down to this. The only really reason to vote for Biden is like, maybe a new administration would be able to do something about this. Maybe they'd be able to tamp down on this, get a handle on it. But like when you read stuff like that and we've pointed it out before on the show but it's like how do you expect covid to go down when you've still got all of these red state governors and administrations who don't give a flying fuck about it they're incubating it and

so it still spreads everywhere i don't know know if there's anything that a Biden administration could do. They could do a nationwide mask mandate, but none of the fucking governors or states are going to respond. They're going to just be like another one of those things where they're like, oh, this is going to go to the states. And then some limp dick would draw it out in the courts just to make some sort of fucking point about it. Yeah. I mean, the way that I keep viewing it is that, like, you know, I've had a lot of people, I've had a lot of talks with people about this recently. Like, the only way I can look at it is that our fate on this was drawn up so long ago.

Like, the outcome of this was written in stone long before we ever, probably before we were ever born. There's nothing we could have done about it. God knew. God knew COVID was coming, and if it's my time, it's my time. I love that shit. No, there are speaker pieces this week that are basically in that vein. They basically amount to that.

It's just basically like, well, God's in control here. There's nothing we can do about it. Jesus, take the wheel. But really, from a materialist standpoint, from a sort of Marxist standpoint, I do truly believe that there's nothing that— I don't even think Hillary as president could have done anything about this. This was like—it is so interwoven into the defunding of all of our public health agencies, into our very culture around government itself and its ability to assist people and help people, into the privatized health insurance, that I don't think that it would have mattered who was in the White House or not. I mean, maybe not, but I do feel like this is a problem very specific to our political economy and culture in America that I don't think really would have mattered much one way or the other who was president.

There's a lot of people in the Mountain Eagle this week are taking a decidedly more cosmic view. The coronavirus is a pestilence that is a sign of the end times. Blind Democrats cannot stop the pestilences that will come on this earth. God is angry with the wicked doer every day. God made the oil and the coal and it was made to be used. So we had better

use all we can as quickly as we can for it will all soon burn. Republicans and Democrats need to get ready to meet god jesus is the answer thank you what the fuck it has nothing to even do with imagine imagine uh let's let's reprise the war on call cold but make it covid speaking of war reprising the war on coal this is a great segue into this speaking of reprising the war on coal this is a great segue into this speaking of reprising the war on coal

did you guys watch the debate on Tuesday night between Amy McGrath and Mitch McConnell I watched some of it yeah no I watched a few clips of him like maniacally laughing he is a freak he gets crazier looking every year

my god yeah he's getting pretty uh he's getting pretty up there in age and senility she was talking about i mean in the same clip she's like you know in the marines we did we fucking get it done we just get it done in the yeah she said when you go into combat you get a job job done. Yeah, whatever. Crazy shit. I heard that she pronounced that clout kills, and I'm not persuaded it does. Honestly, it just makes me feel good about myself and increases my chance of having sex. Oh, my God.

That was what she said on the debate stage. She said, Tom, sex and clout, it's killing us. Well, what was she really trying to say? What are you talking about? She was trying to say, what she said was, Mitch McConnell's clout is literally killing us. Mitch McConnell's clout in D.C. is literally killing us in Kentucky. Oh, that's not a bad line.

The thing about McGrath, dude, it was a very, very bleak debate. Because, first of all, people were claiming she won. Say that again? People were claiming that she won the debate. Did you give her the W yourself? I don't know. I mean. Yeah, that's like winning the battle, but she's going to lose the war in a few ways.

Yeah, I don't know if it really matters. I mean, she definitely had answers and responses, whereas Mitch McConnell basically is just like, vote for me. Is that why he was laughing? Because he didn't know what else to say? I think he's just amused that anybody's running against him. And he's amused that, like, I think at one point he said, her campaign basically amounts to, I'm a Marine, I'm a mom, and this guy's been there too long. And he said that. And his campaign is literally, he said this multiple times,

multiple times. But his whole thing is that if you do not vote for me, I am one of four people in D.C. who actually wields power, and if you do not vote for me, the Democrats will give power to Chuck Schumer, he will be majority leader in the Senate, and Kentucky will lose its ability to pull its own weight around. And it's so frustrating to hear him say that

because we lose both ways right i mean like it's because like on one hand he actually doesn't do shit for kentucky and we don't get anything out of our arrangement with mitch but on the other hand the whole fucking country hates us it's like but on the other hand and also uh having chuck schumer at the wheel is what is meant think, when they say a fate worse than death. Yeah. As a lifelong Kentuckian, I do not remember ever seeing him debate, ever. I like Terrence as a historian myself. You as a lifelong Kentuckian, I've i gotta wait and see what i can chime in

as a as a 18th generation kentucky or is it uh i mean do y'all ever remember him debating anybody he debated grimes i'm pretty sure i don't remember i mean i went and saw her speak and i don't remember it was pretty lackluster i mean but she's very much like mcgrath i mean they're both very i mean they're both like mcconnell um you know not terrible at public speaking um they can think on their toes mcgrath is weird though like i think she sounds like steve brule dr steve brule a little bit at one point she's like strap she was like why don't you just strap a 100 120 ton jet to your back and land it on an aircraft carrier and then try that why don't you try that mitch i mean like i would say grimes

it's i would call her a good public speaker but that's not a way I would have described McGrath. I don't say she's good, but she's able. I don't know. She just proved herself, I guess, because anytime I've seen her on the news or anything, she sounds like a fucking maniac. She sounds insane. Somebody described her cream

colored suit of Buddy Miner's My name was as goddamn Sunday brunch clam chowder at Sizzler why don't you put on a suit the clams color clam chowder and then go to the brunch why don't you land a big jet on the

aircraft carrier Mitch how about that why don't you think about that and Mitch is just laughing maniacally like that's how fucking boring and lackluster it was. Man. Mitch is like, Mitch at one point was like, the whole thing was Mitch basically trying to say, she's a, Amy McGrath is a radical socialist.

She wants Medicare for all. And then Amy McGrath going, I'd be, listen, I'd be my candidate that wanted to implement medicare for all so there you go how about that if you're asking who won the primary between me and senator bernie sanders well look he's not up here on this debate stage i mean she was referring to charles booker which is really fucking bleak that she's just like look i don't care i beat the candidate with america for all. I'm going to diss the guy that's like the most popular man in Kentucky right now.

Who is campaigning for her, too. Yeah, who would actively. Dude, I'm telling you, man, you said it. It's just like with the Bernie Biden thing. It's like you like that. We have to ingratiate ourselves to these fucking swine is amazing. Well, what it does is it shows any real interest in taking a political risk.

You know what I mean? Like there's nothing, there's nothing left in the gas tank. I mean, for it to actually be a political vision for it actually to be a liberatory, it has to be articulated. It has to be distinguished from the libs. And I was thinking about this a few weeks ago, because I don't know if you guys saw this,

but there was a headline about how Biden, this was right after Trump got COVID, so it kind of got buried. But there was a headline that said, Biden wants to make Roe v. Wade the law of the land. And there's a few things about this that i found very interesting the first is like i like everyone else would love for roe v wade to be the law of the land now i know the democrats aren't going to do that no fucking way they're going to do that but at the same time by their own standards by their own um objectives and goals why do they say that stuff this is what i can't understand and this is why i don't think that they're like masterminds political masterminds

or geniuses because they want two contradictory things they don't actually want roe v wade or the green new deal or medicare for or even, you know, public option. They don't actually want any of those things. But at the same time, they say that they do. And it's like if you were really going after those Republicans, those middle-of-the-road, never-Trump Republicans, why not just say it? Why not just shed all of this fucking progressive baggage and say that you want conservative

policies and stuff like why do they keep doing this this is what i don't again this is why i don't think they're political masterminds or anything because like they want two contradictory things they don't they're speaking out of both sides of their mouth they can't make up their minds yeah yeah i think that um yeah they it's it's weird because I think a lot, I think back to like, it's like on the Republican side of things, like during W. Bush, like everybody that was like, oh, we have to, you know, um, every pro-lifer that was like, yes, we have to like vote for Republicans because, you know, we have to to make sure that Roe's on the ballot and da-da-da-da-da and all this kind of stuff. And it's funny, it's like Bush had the executive branch, they had Sam Alito,

they had the Supreme Court, they had the Senate, they had the House. And wow, it's weird. Abortion still wasn't out long. That's weird. You know what I mean? It's like, they have to have those footballs just to toss. It's the same thing with the Democrats. Like, if they really cared about these things, they would just be more assertive about making them the law of the land.

And they're not because they have to have something to run on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's all a wedge issue is. Well, it's really bizarre i mean it's like i was saying like they've committed themselves right to going after those you know on the fence republicans who don't want to vote for trump now so why even make those gestures why even say we're going to make roe v wade the law of the land because that actually is against the electoral strategy that you're going for right if you

really wanted to peel those republicans off why say stuff like that you could just not say anything again i don't i don't really care one way the other i don't at this point i don't even have a fucking dog in this fight but this is the weird thing when when people compare these current Democrats to Clinton and stuff, like Third Way and stuff, Clinton actually, a lot of people forget this, Clinton actually did campaign as a conservative Democrat. I mean, he campaigned on welfare reform. He literally said, we're a different kind of Democrat than those squishier Democrats. Yeah, didn't he?

He even had a a slogan i'm trying to find this man he even had a slogan when he ran in 92 about welfare reform like about kicking people off after two years yeah wait who bill clinton did and so i'm saying like that strategy worked for them why the fuck not just go back to that i mean like it's again it's really bizarre i guess i maybe it's because the whole point is to keep the left marginalized and their ideas out of the mainstream and they can't do that if they're attacking to their right you're digging too much into it terrence i'm sure it was some donor told him he had to you're right some abortion enthusiast don't you have y'all watched any of those any of those hearings

the supreme court hearing you my sister was watching a little like well it's i'm at my mom so like news is on around the clock somehow, even when she's not here. And it just keeps flashing shit about it. But did you see Lindsey Graham? Lindsey Graham called segregation the good old days. Oh, my God. He literally said the good old days of segregation. And he was already asking a crazy question he was like to your knowledge do you know

of any conspiracies uh to uh along the along the republican something to return to the good old days of segregation oh my talking about brown well that is what they want that's what he was trying to like get out in front of that or something and i was just like the fact that he's even saying this at all is so kind of disguising it like he's just saying it in jest you know what i mean like he's kind of making a joke at it but like secretly you don't need to dig too far to know where that motherfucker stands absolutely it was just wild to even see and of course she said something about how she's like oh i've said in lectures that i believe

brown is what's correct or i don't even know yeah they um it's this idea of precedence um yeah and they think you know and cavanaugh said this too that brown was an example where precedence could be thrown out but roe v wade isn't so but they don't actually believe that in the sense that like i guarantee you if things got bad enough or or whatever in 50 years they would be willing to throw brown v board out as well but what they're saying is that it's like it's like their olive branch to the liberals. They're like, all right, we did away with precedence in Brown, and we'll keep it. But when it comes to abortion and Roe v. Wade, just because it's there doesn't mean we can keep it. Make us choose.

Well, y'all decide. Do you want abortion or segregation? That is true. It's almost like when the two-year-old adventure almost like when the the the colonists were like carving up the middle east and like trying to figure out who was going to be over what you know fiefdom of the arab world or whatever it's almost like okay listen we gotta we all gotta have something to run on here so you all run on uh row we'll run on brown whatever you know what i mean like yeah you can't

have it all yeah dude it's um it's pretty bad i was just looking at the polling it's a close race between lindsey graham and his opponent jamie harrison i think according to lindsey graham i've never seen a motherfucker on ice skates like him he's all singing in crying begging for people to come out and vote for him he's like he's like he's raised millions of dollars if you he's ain't he the one that's floating the shit about bernie about if he don't get elected bernie's gonna have the purse strings oh Bernie Sanders you know what's funny about that though like that is one example I think of the Republicans like showing like they usually can like sort of read the tea leaves a little bit better than the

Democrats can but that is one glaring spot is like making the most the only guy that like even if you disagree with his vision all that stuff you have to like i i know reactionaries that give it up for bernie's principles you know what i'm saying like they're terrified of the prospect of bernie like ruling the world but like they don't think he's a bad guy or anything well like you're you're gonna you're going to hinge it on like ragging on that guy yeah and the Democrats are saying oh we vanquished him like oh that's a winning strategy yeah even though he's out here fucking chomping for him

but he's saying that Graham is saying that if he that he's next in line to chair some something some appropriations committee or something i can't remember what he said one some powerful committee but if he loses his seat then the dems will get it and the next in line for it is bernie which is mitch's line exactly about why people should

vote for him because chug schumer will be majority leader and And it's like, dude. I mean, but Mitch's argument for that is very bizarre because basically he's saying I give Kentucky the ability to, I have clout. That's what he kept saying. Like, I have clout. And that's why McGrath said his clout is killing Kentucky. But he was saying

He's using the word clout for himself? Yeah. It's really bleak, though, because here's the thing. While I was watching that debate, I realized this. It is so unfortunate that McGrath is the one running against him because he really is weak. He doesn't really have a whole lot of things to go back on because he's so corrupt. You know, he's kind of boxed himself into a corner.

He doesn't even bring a whole lot of pork back to Kentucky anymore. Truly. Like, what can he even say that he's done? Like, what can he even hang his hat on? I mean, and for someone in office that long, that's pretty fucking pitiful. He hung his hat on. I shit you not, I was blown away when I heard this. He hung his hat on retraining coal miners and bringing coal.

I was just like, are you serious? He said, he said, I'm bringing coal back. What he said, let's see if I have it written here. No, no, we didn't. I don't believe it. He said that he, let's see. I use clout to help our state take coal. For example, Obama destroyed the coal industry.

I guaranteed health and pension benefits and I'm providing retraining dollars. And it's like, it's so out of touch because nobody here fucks with Mitch. You will not find a Mitch McConnell sign in Whitesburg. You might in Letcher County, but even in that- Except McDonald's drive-thru. Yeah, well, there is that. Actually, they moved that, that huge truck. They moved it.

They must be moving it around. It wasn't there long. Yeah. It's so crazy. He's a very weak candidate i mean like there was a point where i thought mcgrath got him good on this one um there was a point she got him she actually got him good but this is the this is the thing about mcgrath is that like she can think on her toes and um and debate with them but she's also has zero conviction and so when she starts feeling

compassionate about stuff it's really hard to see her her she's a robot right so she she reads the room and understands that she's supposed to be feeling conviction at the moment but it runs up against her like you know uh motherboard her her hard wiring and so she'll stay stuff like yeah she's been rewired by you know so so what point she got frustrated and she was like mitch mcconnell is a partisan complete weapon of a mess that's a direct quote i wrote it down a partisan complete weapon of a mess that is that's like word salad dude it was wow but she did get him at one point because they were talking about coal i don't have i have no one point because they were talking about coal.

I have no fucking reason why they're talking about coal, an industry that employs probably a thousand goddamn people in the state at this point. Yeah, well, and all the people who, you know, the miners who can speak firsthand on the fake magic of retraining and who have lost jobs have mostly had to move right they don't even live here anymore no they had to fucking hit the road to go find work they're on fucking assembly line somewhere or fucking doing road work that's where my brother-in-law is he's he's in cincinnati right now working like two weeks at a time before he can come home on a road trip. The maddening thing about all that shit

is if we had a halfway competent replacement, suitable replacement, like the way and we don't think this way, but like the way people relate to politics is through elections and we can't like, the maddening thing is you can't look

at Amy McGrath and say well this is a compelling vision that we might ought to take a flyer on now yeah a perfect example of this is this right here no i'm sorry i gotta i gotta i'll be right back i'm on mute and i'll come right back just carry on a perfect example of this tom is there was a point and i i have to give her the point on this even though she it's not really a point it's just point by default because she was in the arena but there was a time where where mcconnell says all this stuff like oh i'm helping the people in eastern kentucky and the moderator is like well what do you say to the people who've lost jobs in eastern kentucky and mcgrath is like uh mcconnell's dragged his heels on that he hasn't signed the reclaim act blah blah blah you know

what i mean like she dragged she pulled out all that right and mcconnell goes well what what exactly he goes i'm he deflected he goes i i uh i'm interested to hear what uh you know fighter pilot over here, he kept fucking with her because she's a Marine, which I thought was pretty funny. But he's such a fucking cretin, I just cannot stand him. But, you know, I'm interested to hear what her specific plans are for Eastern Kentucky.

And then she launches into the most off off-putting wonky um elizabeth warren type response you know that i'm sure we've all heard if you've been in the non-profit world long enough you've heard which is basically we've got to fix our infrastructure we've got to put miners back to work fixing up uh you know reclaiming land fixing strip mines fixing the water in martin county retraining miners all this stuff you know stuff that nobody cares about and they don't even understand half of what they're fucking talking about but it was a point in her favor because he had no response to it because what was his response to that his response to that was folks uh you've heard it here tonight uh if you want um if you want chuck schumer to be senate

majority leader then you'll vote for me but um you know vote for her if you want chuck schumer to be senate majority leader in kentucky to lose all of its clout in dc and it's like he had no response to that because he's out of things to say he's out of things to say so what he does is he's made essentially and i noticed this just like in talking to like guys that have been like conditioned to hate the Democrats. And I mean, a lot of it's for good reason, but the Democrats have made Pelosi and Schumer such hot button words, like triggering words that all their strategy is, is get out there, deflect on the deflect when you like are getting your ass kicked or whatever and say pelosi schumer and then that's just going to embolden everybody against your opponent you know what i mean because it's almost like a fucking you know fucking schrodinger's cat or whatever yes but i mean it does like i said it to me it just exemplifies how weak McConnell is.

So imagine, replay that scenario, and then put Charles Booker in that position instead. Instead of answering all those goddamn, with all those goddamn wonky solutions, you know, it's like, well, we're going to give people healthcare. We're going to help people stay in their homes. We're going to help people thrive where they live and not have to move somewhere for work or all that stuff. All the things that actually make sense to people rather than, well, we're going to pass this reclaim act and it's going to have $66.7 million in it. $66.7 million in it, and it's going to go to teach you how to code, and it's going to go so you'll learn how to fit pipes on public sewer water system. It's like nobody gives a shit. We're going to put money into retraining into boring-ass jobs that you hate that pay less than what Cole was paying 10 years ago.

Yeah, people are already working those jobs. They're working like three of them at a fucking time. Make your life easier. Let's get more of them. I'm back. Well, you didn't miss much. I was just talking about how weak McConnell is and how unfortunate

it is that he doesn't have a good challenger because he'll win. He will win most likely. I mean, I could be wrong. I was going to say, what do we do a good challenger because he'll win he will win this most likely i mean i could be wrong uh but i would say what do we do if we talk all this shit about mcgrath and how nobody should give her money and then she wins somehow we can never show our faces in kentucky again nobody don't care yeah you're probably right it will be pretty wild though if she won i mean i just don't even see if if amy mcgrath beats mitch mcconnell i will again have faith that uh voting machines aren't rigged which now

i'm pretty convinced of i'm with you yeah i'm with you i'm well hey did you see this thing in california i posted about this this is a good california like the california gop has like set up these fake ballot boxes yeah and they've refused to take them down yeah even like yeah the judges have like ordered them to take them down and they're refusing what's their claim to why they would do that you know like what i don't even know that's fucking hilarious crazy it's absolutely maniacal but of course it's happening well i mean like listen it's like these people are the most unpopular people on the planet and i think they're a whole sort of thing like you

know the jig is up with them and so what they're trying to do now is just test the limits of judicial authority because they know it's like we made that joke i think about that joke all the time about like the looters or the rioters or whatever they were saying it's like what's rbg gonna do like go out there and scold them and like make them go to jail like they have no teeth these are a bunch of old fucking physically weak people and they know that like they can like you know like there is yeah no you're right the thing is is like essentially the kind of government that mcconnell wants is um you remember you remember old testament in ancient israel they had the judges there's even a book in the bible called judges yeah i think that's literally the kind of government he wants. Like, he just wants—they want—I mean, his whole career has been leading up to this.

They've completely defanged Congress. They've made it completely inefficient. It's not able to actually legislate or do anything. And they've moved legislative function to the judicial branch. And that's why they're so obsessed with— And now they're coming for that too yeah that's why they're so so obsessed with putting all of their people on it because what they want is they want a society in which society is run by a sort of elite um you know sanhedrin

council from to use the bible yes a sanhedrin. People who aren't accountable to democratic pressures or accountability and who just rule based off of their own biases and wisdom or whatever. That's what they want. It's not exactly like you said, Tom. They know how unpopular they are. This was their takeaway from 2012. This was their takeaway from 2012, right? They issued the famous postmortem in which they were like, we've got to get more Latino people into the Republican Party. We've got to get more black people into the Republican Party.

And then two, four years later, they've got Trump calling Mexicans rapists, right? So they know that where their bread and butter actually comes from is the rapists and the racists, etc. Where their bread and butter actually comes from is the rapists and the racists, etc. Right. But, so they have to therefore, you know, find out a way to make government not responsive to democratic demands. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. That's it.

I don't know what you do to... Combat that. Combat that. I don't know what you do to combat that. In light of that, I mean, it looks very unlikely that Bernie would have been able to do anything anyways, but who the fuck knows, man. Yeah, it's, you know, it's, I don't even know what to say about it man yeah well well we're gonna hold Betsy DeVos accountable is what McGrath said

I was gonna say good thing it's quitting time don't even just clock out cause we got nothing to say yeah well we come to the end of the show here well we come to the end of the show here Well we come to the end of the show And uh

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Oh god Thank you for voting for Amy McGrath. Anything before we go? Guys, I'm dying out here. There are dueling presidential candidate rallies tonight. What's the over-under on new COVID cases? An in-person rally? Yeah. A town hall, I guess.

There's no way they won't. They're having dueling town halls tonight instead of a debate. They're not going to debate. Joe wants to just let the the record stand for itself i see classic democratic maneuver well to be fair i don't think i'd go into a room with trump like that motherfucker probably would he probably would try to hug biden yeah that's true honestly yeah he's probably it's probably more about self-preservation

you imagine footage of trump chasing bob i was thinking about this the other day joe running i was thinking about this the other day there are probably chuds with covid that'll start weaponizing it and start spitting on people and like i can imagine like some chud cop pulling somebody over and like that person refusing to take their mask off and then like the cop just spitting in their face or something you know if they don't they already are absolutely when i was in middle school there was like one of the satanic panic things and like everybody said goths were running around stabbing people with aids-infected knives. AIDS needles, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. But a bag of people are actually going to start doing that with COVID.

Yeah, like if you were around for any of the satanic panic stuff of the 80s and 90s, the same people that were doing the satanic panic about AIDS needles are themselves doing the AIDS needles now. But with COVID. But with COVID-19. Right. You're right. You're right. Wow wow stay away from those people folks but that is the number one priority for the left right now just try not to get covid do everything you can try not to die god bless

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