Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 219: Phantom Of The TL

Episode Date: October 7, 2021

We do a lot of speculating on this one: the FBI's raid on NYPD's union boss, the bat on the 2020 U.S. quarter, Facebook whistleblower and subsequent outage, and art friends. Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

I don't know what you would call it. It's not a jam band. But it's like a band that's sort of improvisational. Where like, I have Terrence back there just keeping the beat for like 32 minutes straight while I'm just like blowing a flute and then playing like exactly two synth chords over here. And it sounds like shit. That's a jam band that's probably a less effort than um you know most jam bands even begin with but you know yeah

be there with the xylophone just hitting one note or two notes at most yeah that's right nobody has to remember too much, just the two notes on your respective instrument. And we're going to have 23 members like Parliament fucked about. That's called an ensemble. An ensemble, yeah. And everybody plays the most arcane instrument

you can imagine. Yeah, like a... The recorder, the auto harp. Harpsichord we are technically an ensemble because you never know what uh configuration you're gonna get that's true so this jam band it's um two yeah it's like 20 minute songs but just two notes is that what you said it's it's almost gonna have like a like a loungy jazz vibe but occasionally i'm gonna throw sprinkle something in there it's gonna make people go damn yeah this is genius yeah like you were saying like some archaic like old school instrument nobody uses anymore.

Yeah. Is that what you're calling an auto harp? People use auto harps. Yeah, yeah. Maybe in the Japanese imperial court. Last I checked we won the war. Yeah.

Oh shit. That's an awful joke. Oh, fucking shit. What are other obscure instruments that don't receive their due proper credit? The first one comes to mind is the cajon, aka the box. What is that? Oh, yeah.

That people sit on and drum? It's like what every praise and worship group takes to rally around the flagpole to play. You mean like those cow skin drums or whatever? No, it's like a box.

A djembe. The cajon is a box. The djembe is like a drum. Yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking of the djembe then. Okay, yeah. It is interesting. It kind of makes sense because the modern Christian music

industry came out of the hippie counterculture of the 60s. Did it? Did it really? Yeah. Well, think about it. Jesus is just all right with me.

Yeah, Doobie Brothers. Doobie Brothers sang that, you know? It was called Jesus music in the 70s. It was part of the sort of communalist back-to-the-lander stuff. One of the offshoots of that was Christianity, but it was cool Jesus Christianity. Tonya, perhaps you've heard the song Tiny Dancer by Elton John, Jesus freaks out in the streets.

That's what he's referencing in that. They were everywhere. in the streets. That's what he's referencing. I'm saying that. They were everywhere. That just seems like such a transition to go from counter-cultural music to like, you know, like more pious tunes, I guess. Well, maybe...

It's a shorter rope than you would think it would be, though. Is this because of the drug use? And Christian tunes may have been counterculture in the 70s okay yeah yeah i think it's part of it was aesthetics because like there was like that ragamuffin band like part of it was like jesus kind of looks like a hippie and so i think that the the distance between you the European rendering of him, anyway. I haven't been able to find it, but y'all know I'm obsessed with that fucking folk song called He Looked a Lot Like Jesus about a fed. This girl ended up in prison over a fed that looked like Jesus.

Wait, is that where the killers have their song? I don't even know the name of the fucking song doesn't look a thing like jesus but is that is that where is that an homage i guess or uh drawing from that song maybe i don't know no this folk song i haven't been able to find it anywhere since i had it on a mixtape in 2004 or some shit i ain't been able to find it no no again i guess it would have been 2010 but uh no i haven't been able to find it I guess it would have been 2010 but no I haven't been able to find it anywhere since then it only lives in my head now checks out though

if we're talking about the feds infiltrating the counterculture something everybody in left media conveniently forgot when they were platforming this mombiot guy off last week who? this guy that everybody's like oh um the left's turned to conspiracy theories because of uh 40 years of social atomization and it's like they interviewed this guy george

mombiot who we talked about a couple weeks ago on the show we read his thing and the guardian it was about like yeah the leftists embracing conspiracy theories basically yeah and then yeah anyway turns out first thing out of the gate when jack's been interviewed the guy was like you know i consider myself a hippie i don't look like one but i am i'm like okay i mean i mean everybody's forgot that Timothy Leary By his own admission was a CIA asset So

Um yeah A lot of those for sure It was the Jesus movement I wonder if it had Origins in CIA funding Cause you know there's like the Laurel Canyon music scene and Graham Parsons and stuff.

Or was it an aesthetic thing? I don't know. It does seem to me, if you read back through the history, it does seem to me that Jesus music, quote-unquote, became popular because hippies dressed wearing sandals and had long hair and they thought that that like was what jesus looked like and they were like this is how we're gonna evangelize to the hippies looking for answers after the 60s is over like we'll we will dress like them but not smoke grass or drop out or maybe it was just an overcorrection.

Could have been. One too many bad trips and they all just freaked the fuck out and they overcorrected into evangelicalism. Figured that through a bad trip that they needed God's salvation. I've had several of those. Not even drug induced.

Just 3am. Just run of the mill brain disease. Well, two days of sleep apnea will turn you to God. You ain't lying about that. I ran to the altar after a couple bad anxiety attacks. Please, take this devil from me. When I had my first panic attack i thought i had diabetes i felt like i was gonna pass out i was like that's my sugar i gotta get checked out garnets like cramming a twink in your mouth here have some juice i had this spanish professor at college

dr uh wilfredo martir and uh he had diabetes and when his blood sugar would be low he would be like kind of fuzzy in the head and kind of acting weird at one time we were in class and i saw this man like just kind of start getting dizzy and drooling out the side of his mouth and he took off in a dead sprint up the aisle and grabbed this apple off this girl's desk and just started going to town on it and we were like he's like I have the diabetes soy un diabético lord um you know what is truly wild that you mentioned is the back to the land the back to the landers that whole situation was so fucking wild like they literally rolled up buses in California that just said, cheap land on the side and drove their assets to West Virginia

and kicked them off the bus. Like, that is what happened. Well, me and you have an episode about that, Tanya, about the Patch Adams house in West Virginia. Wasn't that started as a Back to the Landers stuff? Yeah, that's all I know about it. It's because Ray lives there. But, I mean, their parents were Back to the lander stuff yeah that was all that's how that's all i know about it and so it's because uh ray that lives there but i mean their parents were back to the landers very wild there was i have to say go ahead go ahead terrence i'm sorry all i was gonna say

was there was a big feature i think in new york times magazine like a month ago about it was like um the backs of the landers in northern california like they're all getting into like their 70s and 80s now you know they're all still there from like the 60s and 70s and um it was like one of america's few remaining utopias is is going away and it's just like is this utopia i don't know a retirement community in northern california my god you know we're all sojourners in the strange land if you think about it but at gesundheit institute's on some different shit it Oh my god, it's next level. Which we took enough shit for that episode. Yeah.

I don't think I listened to that episode. I'll tell you what, Aaron. It's my favorite one. It's good. It sounds like cult-y. It sounds like some cult shit. It's in the first 20 episodes. One of the few actually good episodes

in the first 20 episodes. Have you seen Patch Adams starring Robin Williams? No. I've not seen that movie either. I meant to watch it after I came back from there, but I mean, I should go back and listen to that episode. Wait, do we even have it up? We took it down, I thought. No, it's up.

We took it down for like 24 hours, but it's up. We felt the early squeeze of the hyenas. Yeah, I took it down for like 24 hours. But it's up. We felt the early squeeze of the hyenas. Yeah, I took it down. I was like, whatever, dude. And they ain't let up since. They've only gotten worse. It's crazy.

It's really just a dramatic retelling of a vacation I had. Wait, so that is an interesting thing. Like, there were never any. that is an interesting thing like there were never any so christian like evangelical subculture is always trying to tap into the mainstream like it's that's been in its dna from the beginning right like because it started out trying to attract disaffected people from the counterculture like young people um and it's always had that strain like that's why like there was christian rap and there was christian heavy metal you know what i mean even through the uh even through this whole like the the tv evangelical kind of thing and using tv as like

you know this medium you know what i mean that more people had a tv in their homes but it is interesting that there was never any Christian jam bands. Like, no one even tried it. There had to be somewhere in the fossil record. Well, the name Fish. I guess ska bands were as close as you got, like B.O.B. and Five Iron Friends and that type of stuff. The name Fish is ripe, though, for, like, a play on.

I mean, you could even, you know you know sell like the the fish that people fish blew a golden opportunity a christian jam band i mean they're doing just fine but they could have been massive in that world yeah totally totally Totally. Oh, man. You guys know what I love to do? What? I love speculating with little to no facts. Oh, we know. I feel like that's mostly what we do on this podcast. My whole career of it.

It's been a week ripe for speculating. I mean, there's been a few stories this week that I was reading them, and I was like, hell yeah, man. I don't even want to know the truth. Because I really love just speculating, just recklessly shooting from the hips. I fucking love that shit. Well, an acrisis really grants us that.

I mean mean why not And then like you know Half the time we end up being right anyway It's true I think we're better I think we're better than that Yeah we're better than 50-50 That's true

Totally So like the Biggest item of speculation for this week well i don't know there's probably this there's one bigger than this but i guess we'll get to it but just as a little appetizer a speculative appetizer did you guys see where the fbi rated the offices of the nyp Sergeant Benevolent Association. Yeah. I did see that.

I also don't know what the Sergeant Benevolent Association is. What the fuck even is that? It's a police union. The New York City Police Union? Yeah. Kind of like the FOP. Gotcha. Yeah.

Totally. And the guy ahead of it all, I think his name is Ed Mueller or something. Mueller? Robert Mueller. Robert Ed Mueller. Mueller. Mullins. I'm sorry. Ed Mullins.

He had to step down as a result. The union board basically pressured him to step down. That's a holler name. That was just anti-hillbilly discrimination. Every Ed Mullins I know lives on fucking Perk Creek.

Crafts Collie. He could come and join the rest of the Mullins commune here. That's all there is in DaneLatry County is Mullins. What, um, this could be anything. I did see a story in the New York Daily News that said it was

um, it stemmed from like an internal affairs investigation in the NYPD over his like social media posts because he's like an outspoken Trump supporter and even gave an interview with a QAnon mug in his office.

So maybe that could be it. But here's the crazy thing. It could be anything from running drugs to being a pedophile to plotting to overthrow the government. It could be anything. it is a choose your own adventure type thing it really is yeah um uh mypd fraternal order i'm i'm gonna lean

pedo with um uh drug dealing sprinkled in yeah it gotta be some drug running shit man well because what else is what else are they gonna do with all the shit they confiscate yeah i mean yeah you gotta be really doing some crazy shit to attract the ire of the fbi to take a cop down like a powerful cop like yeah that's they just don't they just don't really do that on a whim do they well that is the weird thing like um that is the weird thing um because you know like the fbi has like quote unquote been investigating like right-wing groups for a while now and like as you know we found out just a couple weeks ago there were fbi informants marching in the jane shocker marching in the january 6th like siege on the capitol just want

to point something out real point of order uh we called that before it was that was one of our 60 to the good. So yeah, you could conceivably see that a powerful cop could be plotting to overthrow the government. And the FBI could be like, I don't know. If you think about it, it's one of the few conceivable things they would actually intervene on. That's what I'm saying, right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it had to be something trey bad for them to step in and do something.

Well, what are they saying it's for? They're not saying. Like, they're being completely tight-lipped. But they did, people did see FBI agents, because they raided the guy's house, too. And they saw, like saw they were leaving with what looked like hard drives. That screams pedo.

That's kind of what I was thinking. Every person you ever heard of having an inappropriate relationship with an underage girl always got their computer taken. Hard drives and all that shit. It's kind of wild to think about

just like Wild Wild West style them just in a shootout with each other just taking each other out. Cops on cops. That's what we take

a step back and say. Yeah, we're like, oh, cool. And they just literally take each other out over power. Well,

what was funny was, like, some of the stories on Twitter about this, like, the tweets, if you would read the comments, a lot of the comments were from liberals who have, like, it was really wild. Like, it was from liberals who have kind of adopted the defund police black lives matter line

but like who still probably believe in the sanctity of mueller and the fbi and everything and so they were like hell yeah like they were cheering on the fbi like saying like good like take them out like defund the police it's like defund the police They got like Malcolm holding the 9mm On the thing It's like by any means necessary baby FBI intervention Just like Malcolm said

ACAB accept the FBI Yeah Pretty weird Pretty weird. Pretty weird stuff. It is a strange position that you can contort yourself into at times. Especially given everything you know

about the FBI during the counterculture movement during the 60s and the 70s. Who they had assassinated. Tried to get Martin Luther King to kill himself and all that shit. And then probably did actually kill him.

Or is it the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Yeah. Who said that? Sun Tzu. Jesus. I think Jesus said that. Robert Greene in the 50 Laws of Power

co-written with Curtis 50 Cent Jackson. Now adapted into the show power. Yeah. Popular show power. yeah now adapted to the show popular show power only on what's that on stars epics stars whatever it's on yeah jesus said that about the sadducees the doctors of the law yeah yeah well um you know again i dine out on speculation i love that shit i do too and i like when i like when it just so happens that i end up correct because then i get to go thumb my nose at everybody that made fun of me like i did this morning when i woke up i went back to that goddamn show thread

and went to talk some shit after some new information came in. I couldn't help myself. What show? Those people that were ragging on me and Terrence after that Patreon. That's lived free in my head. Oh my God. You went back to the Patreon?

His brain broke. This morning you were in the patreon comments this morning listen the fucking origins of covet 19 is going to be to me what the manson thing was to tom o'neill i swear to god i'm gonna lose my mind every relationship i have every dime in my pocket just to prove there's something some chicanery happened oh well i was related to this i saw one the other day and it reminded me every i've saved a few of them i know that all that shit is like laid out ahead of time and it's probably i'm sure people have pointed this out but it is there is some divine intervention that has put a bat on the 2020 quarter absolute divine intervention

there's a bat on the 2020 quarter the 2020 us quarter has a bat on it my boys why a bat i gotta look this shit up bro holy shit that's like the pyramid came out before you didn't know this no that's like one right now to show you hold on that's like the pyramid. It came out before. You didn't know this? No. No. I'll get one right now to show you. Hold on. It's like the mason shit on the dollar bills and shit. What? Oh, what? Bat on quarter.

Damn. How did I fucking know? I'm going to have to Snopes this. Oh, what is this? A fruit bat? Snopes. It raises awareness of fruit bat. Did you see?

Not linked to pandemics. Okay, okay. Speaking of Snopes, the show, Friends of the Show, Minion Death Cult, they had a thread, like, when Facebook was down the other day that was like, you know, if you need your fix. And it was just like a bunch of, like, boomer Facebook content. But, like, the best fucking one was one was like this old guy that was like,

in the future, we're going to be needing more Snopes and not Scopes. We're going to be needing more Scopes and not Snopes. Scopes, not Snopes. Scopes, not Snopes. It's literally two bats. Hold on a second, Tonya. I got to see if that's a... They say it's the Samoan fruit bat. Yeah, that is a fruita. I got to see if that's a... They say it's the Samoan fruit bat.

Yeah, that is a fruit bat. I have to say that. They say it. But it's still a goddamn bat. Wait, hold on. Not the one that's alleged to be the... Oh, wait. I was showing it to you upside down.

Wait. I know. That's what I'm telling you. This wasn't COVID related because they come out... This came out before COVID. Like the new... Oh, shit. I didn't even have my pot. Sorry. I love the fruit bat. They're adorable. There it is.

They're also terrifying in real life. Oh, my fucking god. They look like giant foxes hanging up something. This is crazy. The 2020 quarter has a fucking bat on it. Wait, hold up. According to from this USA Today article, according to this guy, Stevie Laidig, quote, I don't believe for one second the pandemic was an accident.

And I don't believe it's an accident that 10 years from now, when we look back at the 2020 quarter, you'll have two bats looking at you. I mean, he is right about that. It's kind of like- A pandemic! A pandemic! It's a playandemic! A playandemic!

It is kind of like, you know, it is kind of like this, like, you know, Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, which is on the 77th meridian and is 77 feet tall. How the fuck does, like, you know, some things just line up. I don't know.

I never knew that, though. That's fucking crazy. I didn't know that either, man. That's fucking crazy. It's't know that either, man. That's fucking crazy. I'm guessing that's how they're doing the state's quarters, and then I guess now they're into the territories like American Samoa, Guam, etc. Was this like American Samoa's quarter? I can't read that.

Yeah, it says National Park. I like this person's attitude. I doubt it's just a coincidence, but it's cute. I mean, that's what we're saying, right? It's cute. They're killing us. I was going to say, it's just too much to take on. But yeah, this quarter is another element of the puzzle that's going to send Tom completely mad over the end. This is kind of like if your name was John Hitler in 1939.

You know what I mean? Like you just go along and then a few years later, there's just a horrible connotation to your family name. Poor bats. I just cannot believe you woke up this morning and went straight to the fuck Patreon comments I woke up I saw an article I went and posted it and I'll tell you what I did

you know in the Spongebob style where it's like capital one small I put in the Spongebob style we're the Infowars of the left Oh my god Oh my god Alright I demand the login

I have to go see all this Oh my god Congratulations you assholes You finally broke me Is that like the third week in a row People have like got on us for saying some shit i'm just glad that all the drama pops off on the patreon because this has to be this has to create a little intrigue for people who aren't already paying exactly totally come on over to the dark side there's

a party going on your five dollars why not where they drag why they're dragging Tom to make your audio. Be a part of Tom's demise. You could blow low rate. Let me tell you, motherfuckers, Tom drags back. Don't come for me unless you're ready to take some head shots. Pay $5, win the chance to get into an argument

in the comments with your favorite podcast host i will destroy you um um well that's crazy what we're speculating on next okay we've already did the back quarter. What else is happening? That's crazy. Okay, the other thing I wanted to speculate on was the whole Facebook thing. Yeah, Facebook going down thing.

Oh yeah, someone had to explain this to me because I'm not on Facebook, so I caught on quick enough to the memes that Facebook users were coming over to Twitter because it was down. But I hadn't heard about the whistleblower situation. Right. What? And so it was explained to me that this is bound to be connected to this Facebook whistleblower.

So, yeah. What? So, here's what happened. On Sunday evening, a former Facebook employee who has previously revealed damning internal documents about the company came forward on 60 Minutes to reveal her identity. Frances Haugen, a former product manager on Facebook's Civic Integrity team, shared documents that were the basis of an explosive series of articles in the Wall Street Journal. Okay, I'll be the judge of that. Sons of Anarchy Season 5 Explosive. This, unproven.

I'll entertain it, though. Carry on. The reports revealed that the company knew its products can cause meaningful harm, including negatively impacting the mental health of teens, but it still has not made major changes to fix such problems. Um, anyways, well, we can get into that in just a second. Um, this is on Vox. I'm reading from Vox, but, um, so anyways, that happened on Sundayox. I'm reading from Vox. So anyways, that happened on Sunday night. There was like this big you know, like, what's Facebook gonna do and everything.

And then the next day, like Facebook and Instagram went down for like, I don't know, it was like almost all day. It felt like 12 hours or something like that. There was all this like speculation, like 12 hours or something like that. There was all this speculation like they're totally wiped. They're all gone forever. There was a post going around that said that they're gone completely.

Facebook was gone completely? Yeah. Can you imagine? Some piece of information or some shit got deleted permanently, right? God, wouldn't that have been glorious? Yeah. Well, I would have been mad because it would have meant we would have lost the um the uh you know monumental 2013 facebook whitesburg facebook argument about beyonce um it's a classic internet moment oh i did that was a classic internet moment. Oh, I did. That was a good time

in the world. Can you believe I was able, I had the strength in that moment to stay out of that? That was shocked. To not weigh in, that was patience a joke. I was. That's when I first was like, maybe Tanya's a real one. Maybe. I had it in me. Maybe she's not

just someone who threatens me when I go over to her house. Maybe she's got a real one. Maybe she's a real one. I'm multif in me. Maybe she's not just someone who threatens me when I go over to her house. Maybe she's got a real one. I'm multifaceted. Yeah, she's complex. I could withhold. I literally watched a video of Beyonce and Prince performing together today multiple times. Wow.

You say multiple times. Making this all the more impressive i know exactly oh um do you go back to that often do you have that bookmarked no i think it's mostly been taken down there might be like fragments of it left like historians in the future will find it like the dead sea scrolls like they'll find fragments of it but man y'all should have backed that up i want to see that shit it was pretty good an entire community was torn asunder because um because one banjo picker didn't that beyonce is uh is canned pop and had no talent whatsoever yeah i don't remember i just i disagreed with both sides of this i did too i don't remember what went down in the facebook comments now that's all gone but I remember a face-to-face conversation with him about it and him saying to me that you took it to IRL

they made him do a damn privilege audit they did make him do a privilege audit over this because he was a white man I don't remember this at all I've buried this day but I remember I was like having a drink with him at the bar when all this was going on and we were talking about it and he was like he said i just think you know he was taking the whole innocent approach like well who cares what i think but he was like i just think that in the long span of history people will remember lady gaga way more than beyonce i love my man he laid two eggs here but the but the but on the other side of this was equally was way off too wait what was the other so what was the other side the other side was uh somebody accusing him of having white male privilege because he didn't like Beyonce.

Because he had bad taste in music. I mean, who cares? Anyway, but I was like, my man, Beyonce already had her own band. She had a whole fucking band. That's what she came out of, man. Yeah, what are you fucking talking about? She's on her third era. Her third era. Right now, she's 25's she's on her third era her third era

right now she's 25 she's on her third era of music well i didn't i took it to irel i argued with him in person about it poor michelle williams had to die for her to live you know not nobody that's respectable tanya yeah I mean anyways I'm sure every small community has its own Beyonce slash Beyonce versus the banjos moment the whites are fine too

if you needed to know needed a little update what's fine? I said the whites we were doing just fine in 2013 i'm having a real normal one yeah am i slow am i like yeah you're for me you are yeah maybe turn your video off you're lagging um so anyways facebook seemed to have gone down uh someone did a like technical post about it and i don't you know yeah that's that's what i saw too like some like piece of information got deleted from i don't know so everything was this meant everything was

gone but i figured that was bullshit too there was some yeah i mean like yeah i mean we could get an expert on to do this but a no b yeah i'd much rather speculate yeah we prefer to speculate yeah i mean you can say this about every episode technically we could have brought an expert on, but we're not gonna. We're just gonna talk shit. You just go to the source if that's what you're interested in, okay? You know where you came.

You knew what you clicked on, okay? You ain't getting nothing on in this brochure. But yeah, no. If you want the technical scientific explanation apparently there was like some problem with like the quote-unquote deep level routing protocol i don't even know what that means see that even to me sounds like a cop just like uh we're gonna explain this away with words that people understand but don't understand right words they can pronounce words they can pronounce but do not know how when you put them together right when you put them together

it's nonsense pure nonsense right terence had a good joke about this said that if we just taught the coal miners how to code this wouldn't have happened it's true and you know what i have to say i kind of agree they are workmanlike they don't take a day off you know they built this country and they will build keep the internet running but hey no one wants to give them jobs so they can wire up a broke down forklift and move the internet if need be nobody's ready to have that conversation oh i just love the memes that were just like um mark zuckerberg spilled coffee on the server some shit you know he's just standing in a closet staring at a bunch of wires trying to figure it out but aren't there a bunch of conspiracies that they shut it down to get rid of some shit well that's kind of what I

was, you know. Is that our speculation? I don't know. I mean... It's the most exciting one, yeah. It is, yeah. I guess there's several different interpretations of even that. So if they did intentionally tank it, maybe they did it because they were

trying to, you know, show people like, look, this is the world without Facebook. You're going to miss us when we're gone. Oh, this was a tease. This was a timeout. Right, yeah. You'll miss me when I'm gone. Yeah, that kind of thing.

Well, and Twitter likes to think that they came over and were horrified. That Facebook users came over and were horrified by Twitter but I'd say they were just bored to tears yeah exactly because if they hadn't been there for the last 12 months they don't know what's happening if you ain't been there for the last like day yeah

what the fuck no it cannot comprehend what's happening over there wait is Facebook being investigated i feel like it's always being invested investigated quote by the government nowadays but at the 2016 are they under investigation by like the government is there you know what i'm saying if we're going on this speculation they deleted it because they didn't want something to be found you know what i'm trying to say yeah yeah totally i did see a quip video today of some dinosaur in a congressional hearing demanding to know why they haven't ended their program, Fentsta.

Yeah, that was Blumenthal or whatever the fuck his name is. The Fentsta program. It sounds like a goddamn Ikea couch. He kept saying, so this is a program that you offer this is a facebook program and she said sir finsta is slang for a personal maybe perhaps secret account that people create and just keep it small she didn't say to put their titties on which would have been more accurate but he's like no you created this not other people you made this you have it on account you do this needs to be this has to be taken taken off your website the fence has to come down amazing um amazing what that was in a u.s congressional here they're gonna fucking

this woman had been subpoenaed it's yeah it's just it's just a hearing right now about the whistleblower it's not like a proper investigation yet like they don't yeah they can't subpoena document documents or anything i don't think at this point so like but who knows yeah maybe they were covering their tracks for something maybe they've vaporized i mean who the fuck knows maybe someone was trying to track down again the infamous beyonce versus banjo's argument and they had to get rid of the evidence fast but regardless the timing was pretty weird right like just the next day yeah a whistleblower and then the whole side goes down the next day i just you know in 2021 we do not believe in coincidences anymore do we i don't think we

should no i think a lot of people still do I think we're done with that judging from my Patreon comments I think I think people do still believe in the power of coincidence I can't believe Tom wrote a spongebob comment at 7am that said we're the info war

you better believe it sister you better believe it, sister. You better believe this is war. I'm about to go screenshot that and make that the background on my phone. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'll send you a screenshot of it. Please, please screenshot that. I mean, am I embarrassed about it a little bit?

Yeah, sure. No, don't be embarrassed about that shit, man. Don't do that shit, man. No, I just, you know, I mean, here's what i just want to remind everybody two plus two still fucking four okay even in the crisis all this shit two plus two still fucking forward you got motherfuckers out here believing in astronomical coincidences i'm gonna google something for eight seconds and then i'm gonna try to own you to embarrass you in an astronomical coincidence. Duel. I'm going to Google something for eight seconds and then I'm going to

try to own you to embarrass you in front of people and ruin your credibility. I'm going to start coming to your fucking office and talking shit about what you do. Taking bread out of my kids' mouths. Arrow's a thirsty bitch. Oh, man.'m high maintenance i wanted to talk a little bit about the discourse around some of this though like a brand the whistleblower um and around facebook in general because like now there is all this talk like uh it's the moment to strike you know uh facebook's vulnerable

strike what they should be broken up they should be regulated um oh facebook workers should strike no like congress like politicians like now's the time to like i guess attack like facebook's role and detrimental effect to our society this is kind of what i want to talk about all right like this idea and i had a buddy the other day that that said like i'm fully convinced that if facebook hadn't existed trump wouldn't be president and i just could not disagree more um but like it does seem to be like a lot of forces especially in this sort of like liberal left seem to be coalescing around this idea that like facebook's harm the badness that it permeates throughout society is facilitating the rise of donald trump and spreading what they call fringe ideas. And that that leads to, I'll just read from this article right here.

This is about the whistleblower, Frances Haugen. On 60 Minutes, she said, there were conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for Facebook. And Facebook, over and over again, chose to optimize for its own interests, like making more money, said Hagen on 60 Minutes on Sunday. She also shared new allegations, not previously covered in the Wall Street Journal's extensive reporting, about Facebook allegedly relaxing its standards on misinformation after the 2020 presidential elections shortly ahead of the january 6 riots at the u.s capital and i feel like this is the tone that permeates this story

and a lot of the stories on this that like facebook is directly responsible for the storming of the and like look my my personal thoughts on facebook well my my thoughts on all of this is that the internet just shouldn't exist and it should all probably go away. Are you a Luddite? Actually, getting there. The Luddites weren't necessarily anti-technology. It was just about the use of technology, right? Being used, I guess, by the elites and whatnot instead of being like i guess run by like the workers so we are luddites i am kind of starting to become an anti-technology

across the board luddite so you're you're the luddite the way that people speak of luddites like just anti-tech yeah listen to this look i used to i used to i used to be one of these people that was like yeah like technology can improve our lives. If we integrate more with machines, it'll make us better thinkers and better humans. I don't think that. I'm really embarrassed for ever to think that. But there's this article in the San Francisco Chronicle. um scientists implanted a device in a woman's brain that senses when she's having depressive thoughts or impulses and interrupts them with a burst of electrical stimulation um

that's a man hating shit right there man yeah she says i cannot get that shit give me that shit she says i like who i am with the device i feel like i'm my best self i don't know dude i just think that sounds creepy I just it's weird it's just this idea that like all of our problems are found in technology and you can end depression with like a technological implant not that the problem is like material or even spiritual but that it's like a problem of your own biochemical well if it wasn't Facebook wouldn't it be if it was a Facebook wouldn't it be like something else anyway you know I mean like well it'd be porn this is the first biochemical well if it wasn't facebook wouldn't it be if it wasn't facebook wouldn't it be like

something else anyway you know what i mean like well it'd be porn this is the first time i'm hearing about this electroshock situation but it does kind of sound like it just works like a pacemaker yeah it kind of does i mean yeah yeah like it makes a heart the pacemaker makes sure your heart don't quit and this makes sure sure your endorphins don't quit. I don't know. Your will to live don't quit. Your will to live don't quit. I think it differs in one critical way, though.

Because I think about this all the time. I've thought about this, actually, from the depths of my depression. I almost said depravity, but that too. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. But for as shitty as I often feel in my life, right, I would just not want to be... So, you know, the tech utopians think they can escape death by just uploading their consciousness into AI or whatever the hell, you know what the tech utopians think they can escape death by just uploading their consciousness into ai or whatever the hell you know what i mean and that this like corporeal body is just

like inconsequential in the end or whatever but to me like shit like the zapper for the depression thing i get like trust me i understand full well if you're suffering because I suffer mightily with it. But also there's part of me that's like, God damn, I want to experience the full breadth of human emotion and experience. I just want a normal, I want my lows to have to complement the highs. That's all I want. You know what like, I want my highs, my lows to have their complement of highs. That's all I want. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't, I just, I think there's something, and I hate to sound like a conservative or anything when I say this,

particularly for people that are, you know, suffering in such a way that, you know, they're dealing with self-harm or anything like that. that they're dealing with self-harm or anything like that. But it is scary just to sort of become like sort of, I don't know, augmented by something else. I don't know. For some reason, this transcends to me like pacemakers or like organ transplants and that kind of thing

for some reason. And I may be and I concede up front, I may be being short-sighted about this, but there is something that is a little too Brave New World for me. I'll tell you what it is. It's hardware that interferes in a neurological process

and who the fuck knows who or what it's accountable to or what it can do can it put like is it run by someone in a lab can they access it later on you know what i'm saying backdoor yeah yeah i think i think it's like there is the issue of like we live in this society and it's you know it's capitalism it makes us all individually competitive it makes us all insane and depressed and everything and then like capitalism's solution to that is like take a pill you then you'll feel better and that's that's one problem like that's one thing and i think that's a problem even though i do support that and i am on medication and i would be insane if i didn't have it. But I do wonder how much of that is socially caused.

But then there is the extra added dimension to that of like, well, what if it wasn't just a pill? It was a hardware device. Yeah. In your head that maybe you can't control it yourself because you don't understand it. It's like the phone in your pocket. But someone else can and does. I don't understand it. It's like the phone in your pocket. But someone else can and does. I don't know. There's a really crazy movie that just came out called Possessor.

I think I've been trying to get all my friends to watch this because it does raise these questions of like, once you integrate with a technological system, how much do you know about what it is you're integrating with? And like, how much do you not know about what you're losing in the process about your own humanity and memories and cognitive function and all this yeah that's why like i could see how like you know people have that argument that facebook and social media internet kind of like exacerbates like these like these feelings of alienation

and divisions in society like of course but like those divisions like exist before the internet social media those decisions like like those those that that material reality is influenced by something like beyond like you know any of this technology you know so you're not actually like tackling like why is it that people turn to like the internet social media right and turn to these little insular communities to like feel something you know i mean i'm with you terrence like i don't really know if there's a way that you could like like even if you break facebook up i don't even know what that would mean right or and have it be publicly owned like i don't know how you could run that like like parallel with a project that's like a political project that's like emancipatory you

know i don't i don't actually think that's possible there are people who think there was an op-ed in the new york times who say that like breaking up facebook is impossible because even if you did it the people that would be left over like tiktok for example would just take up the mantle because like what these people are all concerned about and what that freaks them out is the rise of what they call fringe ideas and misinformation around things like vaccine and stuff and the sort of like unregulated proliferation of that and more than that what really freaks them out and what they want to regulate or at least this op-ed in the new york times talked about i can't remember who wrote it but what they want to regulate is like the

gamification of speech you know what i'm saying like you know someone being able to get a thousand likes for saying that like bill gates is putting micro chips in your body which i think is one of the least insane anti-vax things. It's completely normal to think that. This guy's been talking about overpopulation for fucking years. Like, why would you not think he's trying to fucking... Anyways. Yeah, yeah. That's why...

Yeah, yeah. But, like, but that's the thing. Like, that's what freaks them out so much. Like, that the unwashed masses are able to congregate in a place, and then, like, I don't know, people are able to get a thousand likes on a post like that. But because, yeah, then it raises all these other questions of like who gets to decide what's fringe? Is it George Monbiot like talking about like conspiracy theories and like the proper respectable left needs to not be engaging in that? You know what I mean?

It's like what? I don't know. It just seems to me that like yeah i agree break break up facebook break up all these fucking companies but like the issue here is more fundamental i guess it's more material right it has to do with like like something that's like well i mean all these people that believe in these conspiracy theories and if these conspiracy theories catch fire like what is it that's going on like in these people's communities right in their workplaces you know in their personal lives you know what i mean that would make them like that woman ashley babbitt we were talking about

it the episode we did on the january 6th but like how insane it is like that this person would like storm the capital and die be willing to sacrifice her life like you know what i mean for this conspiracy theory that like not even just theory but this movement that started online that she joined like that's it's not funny right that's like sick and indicative of like i don't know a deeply profoundly sick society you know that's that's how i felt during like the evermectin stuff it's like even if you disagree or i mean just the fact that people not only thought it was funny but wanted to die on the hill of being able to laugh at it, it's like, this is fucking dark, dude. Like, it's like, this is really dark.

I don't know. Yeah, and that's the other thing, too, about, like, when you're engaging this stuff and when somebody has this sort of hard and fast, like, sort of, well, it's just capitalism and it's man's encroachment to the natural world you don't need to be going looking under no rugs for like some boogeyman or something like that because that's not out there as if like capitalism is just in and of itself just like this malevolent spirit that's just floating on the surface and not something that men put into place yeah and continue to reproduce right and

what's in their hearts greed and all these things that's why you can't really adequately engage the material as much as we want to throw out that word without without the immaterial you know yeah Yeah. It is weird. I don't know. It's weird. Like, them saying that, like, Facebook caused January 6th, because it's like, that could be one interpretation of it, but, like, we now know that the Facebook, that the FBI did it, you know? Yeah. But they would call that fringe. They would say that that's fringe and you're spouting misinformation. It's like, I don't know. Yeah, it's insane. And it's like, you know, it's also, I mean, the other side to that, too, is like, the straight news world is reporting, like, Havana syndrome at the word of CIA agents who are dizzy and throwing up. You know what I mean? Right.

By the same people that were reporting Saddam Hussein as WMNDs just because some State Department person said so. You know what I mean? It's like the reality is to the degree that there's an epistemological crisis or whatever we call it or whatever, a lot of this is the progenitor of a lot of this stuff is you're just like regular straight mainstream news people whose credibility should be just as damaged and who I would argue when they get it wrong, the societal impact is way worse than any sort of fringe person spouting whatever out here. But this cuts deeper than any fucking kook on Facebook or whatever.

They barely even report actual news anymore. They report people's reactions to the news. Yeah. I can't even i mean it was it was pretty recently that i realized this because it's like it took me a long time to realize why i couldn't keep up with the news even it's even worse than it was before and how even when i go to literal cnn's website i still can't make heads or tails of what the fuck is going on like i mean i've been feeling this way for a while obviously but it's literally like oh people people are rallying against this thing that may have happened but it never gets

to what actually happened i'm like can i get just like what actually happened instead of a bunch of wild people's reactions to it or it's literally reporting on they really will report on facebook activity like people on facebook have organized again you know because not the powerful people right not the powerful people actually you know like orchestrating the things and making things happen in the world it's like yeah like they're not reporting on kristin cinema's actual behavior and politics and ties to whatever industry they're reporting on people uh running her into a bathroom asking her about it exactly exactly and tanya you brought up such a good point man like i when i was offline for like i don't know the two months that i was like i didn't even really yeah. We were both fuming about being banned from Twitter.

Exiled with Trump. What did you say? Exiled with Trump. It's like Napoleon when they sent him to that island. I hope he makes that... He's trying to sue Twitter to get his account back. I hope he makes that a class action lawsuit. And I'll join that.

Trap God, they're very unfair to us if you joined a class action lawsuit against twitter with trev we would be so famous the true billy's guy the true billy's guy look i love them they're great folks i said a lot of nasty things about me but but they're right about this one. But I'm forgiving. It's fine. Yo, I had no idea what the fuck was going on at all with the news because I didn't watch. I mean, I would look at the AJC, which is our Atlanta newspaper down here. But by and large, I didn't know what was going on. But when I came back to Facebook, I even knew less of what i knew before right because it was just that like that complete like cacophony that constant noise of like just information all the time that was so overwhelming and like you said tanya it was like

it was like reporting kind of after the fact and reacting to news instead of reporting the actual news so like i just like you know just didn't know what was going on, even though Twitter and social media generally is where people get their news from. And I guess that's a good point, too, that, as you were saying, Terrence, that point that people are bringing up is that, yeah, the misinformation is a big problem, but I'm not really sure that that wouldn't exist without Facebook anyway, you know? Yeah. Because the media is not doing a job of informing people in the first place. We got the Iraq War well before Facebook and Twitter were a thing.

Yeah, who knew? Point that out. That's the thing, right. It's like my friend telling me Trump wouldn't be president. It's like we voted for Bush twice before Facebook ever even existed. Yeah, but they are convinced that trump is a worst uh is a worse and more visceral politician or just like cultural figure than the than the bushes i know imagine thinking that it's fucking crazy yeah dude these this like crime family that ran around the world

for 60 years just like literal overthrowing government everything and and even carrying out a genocide can you name another family that's just like the american throwing government everything and and even carrying out a genocide can you name another family that's just like the american family that carried out a genocide beloved american family who carried out a genocide and dropped a mission accomplished banner afterwards and then not even that but became then years later like years decade later became rehabilitated under like an even worse Republican president. Yeah, he's just a painting papaw now in the outskirts

of Texas. He's on a Texas farm painting kitty cats. We love him. We love Bush. He paints cows now. The Bush's body count is astronomically higher than Trump's, man. Then maybe anybody's not named like Genghis Khan.

Than all other US fucking presidents combined. You said Genghis Khan. Yeah. Or Alexander the Great. They did two 9-11s in 2001 and 1973 in Chile. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, because that's the other thing. Yeah, it's like in Chile? Yeah. Yeah. I mean...

Yeah, because that's the other thing. Yeah, it's like you just said, Terrence. It's like the other thing about the Bushes, you've got to think about all Poppy's doings all over the world as head director of the CIA, too. Yeah. He killed Kennedy, man. He fucking killed him.

He killed a sitting president. I mean, the thing is that there is a critique to be made of social media for sure I mean I mean obviously like it yeah obviously I mean do we even need to say it I mean like and and like they are right like I'm sure it does give, like, teenage girls body issues. It gives me fucking body issues. I'm not even a teenage girl. But, like, there is, like, I mean, but, like, this notion, however, that it, like, is the primary motivating factor behind, like, the political development and, you know, movement of things in the world is just i don't know it's just really weird to me yeah um i i don't know i don't know it's like it's no go ahead i'm just

gonna say it feels a little too convenient for them but yeah yeah it also feels ahistorical just like i mean you could think of like you know a bunch of world events throughout history that like you know happened not because like there was a facebook you know what i mean like it just seems like you're you're like taking this very like unique thing to our time and just applying it to like well these things you know probably wouldn't have happened if we didn't have facebook either and it's just like i don't really think that's i don't really think that's uh i mean it's not responsible you know i don't think it's responsible. All the things that, like, all the things that, all the harms and bad things that social media creates in the world can't be fixed with just breaking up those websites. Because others like it are just going to pop up.

The problem to me is the internet like it was literally designed by the defense department this was i mean you know what i mean like the things about it that are bad and create harm in the world and make us more easily surveilled make us more easily managed make us more easily like you want to call it brainwashed or mind controlled or whatever those are baked into the system like they're not going to be fixed by just like eradicating one or two of these websites which i do support by the way if they want to break up facebook that i mean anytime the government wants to break up a major fucking corporation like good on you man but i mean they're not going to do that because they don't have the fucking political will or the numbers to do it anyways

because or even the want to right yeah they just want to they just want to get a do away with fence stuff well that's yeah give it a fence to them it actually is perfect cover because then they cannot talk about yeah like um so the social spending and all the other fucking things that they are supposed to be doing, like the infrastructure bill and all that. Then they can say, well, we're going to take care of Facebook. And that's what you jackals want, right? And it's just like everybody hates Facebook. Right. Yeah.

It's an easy target, I guess. Yeah. Because everybody does hate it. And it's, yeah, it's low hanging fruit. I don't know. I just feel like this is like, you know, three days late and a a dollar sure it's like this isn't even the heyday of facebook most people aren't even on there anymore it's just like a it's like a bulletin board for old people at this point and maybe the alt-right is still using it i don't know is that even real i use

facebook marketplace i mean yeah well marketplace perhaps a little too much, Terrence. We're about to cut you off. You're Terry Dills now. Terry Dills. Facebook's actual main crime is knocking out Craigslist. That's their number one crime. Yeah, yeah.

They've taken out Craigslist and that's why they need to come down. I think the problem with social media is kind of the same problem that we see on the horizon with AI, in the sense that, like, it's not one of those things that you can just, like, let loose and then rein back in if it's a little unruly. Like, once it's out of the barn, it's out of the barn. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think I saw a news story.

I don't know. It's probably been a couple months ago or something like that. It said they think that the first person has already been murdered by AI. Oh, my God. It's one of those things that we haven't. We probably didn't see as much on the horizon with social media because I don't recall anybody really, and I could be wrong about this and I'm sure I will hear about it if I am wrong

about this, but it feels like we didn't talk about that in to the lead up of Facebook. You know what I mean? Like one day it was just kind of here and we're like, Oh, this is interesting. Hold on. You're saying that they just now think

that the first part okay so we don't count all those tesla worker deaths right or i'm pretty sure self-driving uber cars in pittsburgh ran people over yeah that's what yeah i think maybe what they're referring to is like an actual intent. I guess, I mean, even, I mean, you could argue that drones are AI in some ways. Yeah, I was thinking that, yeah. Well, the thing is, I mean, the underlying factor here is people will talk about, like, you're right, Tom. You can't, once it's out of the box, you can't rein it back in. And the main reason why is because these are tools of, like, excellent surveillance. Why?

It's because these are tools of excellent surveillance. It hasn't yet been fully used to put us all in FEMA camps or whatever, even though it may wind up being that one day. But right now, it's used to aggregate and collect all of our data to sell us more shit. And it learns more about us in the process. And I feel like we've talked about this on the show a lot no matter how you spin that you are giving over a part of yourself to be controlled by other forces that are way more powerful and profitable than you are and that is a critique

that should be made but can you walk that back? I don't think so. I don't think you can regulate. I think you have to fucking throw away the whole thing at this point because, I don't know, that's the case. We'll be recording our podcasts on little cassette tapes and mailing them out to people. Go back to analog? Yeah. Carrier pigeons?

Yeah. Yo, but how do you you how do you regulate like uh like i'm thinking about it now and it's like how do you regulate like this kind of like like awesome power of knowledge and information because that's essentially what it is right it's like all these companies having that information and knowledge right and it allows them to have like not just the power to sell you shit, but, like, the power to, like, I guess, like, predict behavior and shit like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

And, like, that's, like, how do you legislate, like, that away once you've given, like, this awesome power away to these companies? Like, you can't put that genie back in the bottle, you know? Well, the laws of profit-making dictate that it's going to continue going in that direction. making dictate that it's going to continue going in that direction once you've built the technology to predict people's behavior you can't just like go to these companies because like that has that has like military applications intelligence gathering applications you can't just go to those companies and just say well put those in a warehouse because we're not going to use them because of course they're going to fucking use them because the defense department's going to buy them and then the fucking tech companies are going gonna buy them and use them to sell you more shit and then who the fuck

knows yeah in 20 years it'll be minority report and they'll be fucking predicting when you're gonna predict it you know make a crime or whatever nah not even it'll be like january 6th where instead of just predicting you shake the behavior and make the people go commit the crime so you have a fucking... Yeah. So you think, today, you think that, wow, man, it's crazy. Instagram knows that I need a queen-size sleeper sofa and some whimsical socks. And then tomorrow, you end up in a FEMA camp.

All because he wanted to start an Instagram account, man. Yeah. He wanted to make an instagram account man yeah went to make an ig oh shit um yeah i think you know the last thing i would say on it i think is that's part of what i mean you were texting about this morning terrence is like we have like it's not insane that people would think whatever about Bill Gates or these tech utopians who, A, were on very friendly terms with Jeffrey Epstein and people like these, like different CIS, different things. But also, we just sort of have placed these people in the position of, you know, what's that called? I think there's a sociological term for this. When you just expect there's like somebody else is going to do something

or there's somebody at the wheel, some invisible hand that's just going to make sure everything's all right. What's that called? Might be called Helsinki syndrome or something like that i don't know but we've sort of placed the elon musk of the world and the bill gates of the world and all these people as the people that are going to like bail us out with their brilliance because they've amassed fortunes sometimes by stealing other people's ideas and so forth but whatever these people are the brilliant sort of standard bearers of the future

and the visionaries and all this kind of stuff. And we do tend to forget, and this is where I will give a point to the people that were just yelling at me about capitalism's encroachment into the natural world. At a certain point, you can't bargain with the ocean. You can't bargain with viruses. You can't bargain with the ocean. You can't bargain with viruses. You can't bargain with all the sort of things that existed here well before any of these systems like the internet or whatever were put into place.

And I think that in a certain sense, we've sort of doomed ourselves by letting these rich Peter Pans run the world. You know, people terrified to death. People that think that their own hubris, you know, can outmaneuver anything. And in the end, I think this is a bad thing. Yeah, I mean, go ahead. It just feels like the root of it is when we strip it all back, like you say, it's like the actual issue here is that growth is driven by money and not need. Right. This is why we have such a crumbling, dystopic health care system right now you know it's just like it is not meant to care for people it is meant to make money this yeah but like you're uh you're absolutely

right and like you see these people come out and say oh this is the problem it's like you know uh fringe ideas are infiltrating the mainstream through like conduits like Facebook. And then they point to all these other issues like vaccine, you know, proliferation of the virus, this, that, and the other. And it's like you could solve all of these problems by ending capitalism. I know it's not a button you press and that we all just decide intellectually like, okay, we're just going to end it.

But like that is the objective truth here. You know, you just, you want to solve the problems in capitalism. Right. It's almost like it's too simple. Right. Like, people can't take it. People cannot take in this simplistic of an answer, but trace any problem back far enough, that's where you're going. Yeah.

Right. answer but trace any any problem back far enough that's where you're going yeah right the i mean i hate to you know use terms like inequality and things like this but it's like we have so much ground to make up that can only be made up by the sheer force of our numbers collectively when you got like i just saw a news headline said there's a single texas billionaire that's going to build the entire border wall along the Texas border, or wants to. You know what I mean? These people have so many resources that they can cause such devastation and damage in such a short period of time

that it's hard to not think of it as insurmountable. And really, the only way we got out is our numbers. You know what I mean? That's the only way to sort of offset some of that stuff. I don't know. It's a tough thing to face. Well, I think Bezos said it, like, best, right, after he went up in his dick-shaped rocket and came back down.

And he's like, the only reason I was able to do this, like, speaking the quiet. He's like, the only reason I was able to do this, speaking the quiet part loud, the only reason I was able to do this is because of all these, and congratulating these Amazon workers and the people that work at Amazon. Yeah, and it's just like- And people who buy Amazon shit.

Exactly, yeah, of course. The only reason I was able to do my whole Peter Pan thing is because all you motherfuckers have allowed me to immiserate you for years. That's what he said if you that's exactly what he said man so like you said tom it's like when you look at like especially like again like these tech barons like bezos and zuckerberg and elon musk like we've i don't say we right it's not fair but like you know the state has abdicated its duty like to like take care of people and like we all just fair but like you know the state has abdicated its duty like to like take care of people and like we all just rely on like you know these tech barons who are going to sweep

us into the future with their amazing inventions and shit and it's like i mean not only did like you know we like collectively like you know create the the resources i mean and and take out the resources out of the earth itself you know and work our hands right to like make this shit for these people and make the world the way it is but like we could just as easily like take it away well easily is a big overstatement but we could just take that shit away as well you know right but it could be it could be easily done it won't be easily done but it could be easily yeah exactly exactly well i think that's probably a good well i think that's probably a good place to end the facebook convo um i didn't have anything else to speculate on um i did want to talk about the bad art friend article in the new york times i was like we didn't even get to talk about uh subpoena in a group chat i'll never be the same again Did you read the article?

No It was fucking crazy I like got to that point in the article And it was like Yeah they subpoenaed the communications in the group chat And it's like a horror movie moment That is a nightmare scenario You realize all your friends really are Just talking mad shit

You're like fuck Not even talking shit, talking felonies possibly. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't subpoena it. I can't handle it. I can't handle it. If nothing else going through this breakup last year, I don't want to know. I do not

want to know. Some truths are better left in the dark. I don't give a fuck. In the imagination. And now i'm like dating multiple people and they're telling me about their other relationships and i don't want to know about it to do whatever you want to do i don't want to hear about it i don't care how fucking hot it is keep it to yourself i can't handle none of it yeah okay good great i'm so happy yeah yeah i'm sex positive, I don't want to hear about your other sex.

Positive, I can't take it. I can't handle it. Just do it. Just do it without me. My God, I can't take it. Oh, fuck. Well, don't be a bad art friend. Be a bad art hoe. Be a bad art hoe. Hey, look at you,rence be the art ho terrence is right

the rare time that's right be a bad art ho be a bad art ho all right maybe we talk about it on the patreon yeah um go to the patreon for more content p-a-t-r-e-o-n.com slash trailbilly workers party you may even see you may even get a tom sexton sighting like stalking around like listen i'm gonna be more active in the comments because i'm gonna listen if you're gonna sit there just say whatever you want to me unfettered i'm gonna get in there and check you a little bit i'm gonna have to i'm gonna in there and check you a little bit. Get a little out of pocket. I'm going to have to whip your legs a little bit in the comments. Do some

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