Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 244: The Digital Broadform Deed

Episode Date: April 14, 2022

An episode about how bored and wealthy philanthropists are using your DNA to solve their favorite true crime cases Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

not that I was following the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case or anything like that, but I just found out that Johnny Depp has a brother. That's an author named Daniel Depp. And, um, um, he don't look a damn thing like Johnny Depp,

which is interesting. He's certainly not as handsome. He's not even in the ballpark. He's definitely not the sibling known for his beautiful locks of hair. Well, what's funny is, you know, you got some brothers that are like, you know, one's like a slightly like less attractive or less notable version of the older more famous brother or whatever yeah yeah this isn't even that case this is like worlds apart i mean if it should tell you a lot about him that he wears um like a black blazer over a black turtleneck sweater like that look is like i write subpar

detective novels that have weird sex scenes in them yeah i'm like uh sus dennis lahane i thought that says uh what's his name daniel dev yeah born in kentucky that just must that just must be a hard sort of thing to follow you know he kind of looks like him i don't know maybe he's a geek i don't know i shouldn't fucking looks like him i don't know maybe he's a geek i don't know i shouldn't fucking dog on him maybe he's a good writer i mean i'm not a good writer so i have no reason i have no room to talk now you're fishing yeah no i know you're a great you're a great writer what are you talking about get down cat You're a great writer. What are you talking about?

Get down, cat. Damn. I was at a show the other night like a couple weekends ago here at Summit and I came out the back. You know, there's a set of stairs that go down to the behind the library

and i came out to get some fresh air and i went down there and they were like these three kids underneath the deck down there like passing a j like they could not have been older than 21 if they were i don't know at a certain age you just lose the ability to discern you know what i'm saying but they were very young they're kids right and they were passing the j and all i heard was one of them go uh he said man i love to rub their bellies but they fuck me up and the other one goes man i always rub their bellies they're talking about they're talking about they're talking about cats very obvious goes, man, I always rub their bellies. They're talking about cats, very obvious.

Is this the most wholesome thing I'd ever heard? Like, dude, I always rub their bellies. Three kids who are getting stoned talking about the perils of scratching a cat's belly. It's like, I don't know. Sometimes they're receptive.

Other times they'll fuck you up. That's pretty good. God damn, man. I think the kids are going to be all right if they're talking about scratching cat's belly. Yeah, I don't know. You've seen that kid that wears the boombox on his back that jumped off the bridge. Yeah, I see him all the time.

Show his love. Yeah, I see him all the time. I see him too. Just hanging out. I mean, I don't want to dox him, but let's just say he hangs out around a certain arcade with a certain political inclination.

That's not good. Yeah, falling into the wrong crowd. It is the wrong crowd, man. They are overplaying their hand a little bit this whole fucking town's the wrong crowd though i mean like the fucking it's the fact that every light post

downtown right now has a flag hanging from it that's one half united states american flag and the other half is ukrainian flag the mayor what do you mean you don't even have to ask who you already know no no no no no no no i know who i know who but here's what i'm here's my okay here's my thing with all that you know how everybody has been bemoaning these divided and isolating polarizing political times blah blah blah blah blah it should send off not just flares and warning signs but like a big like slappy jackass hand should come out of nowhere and hit you in the head when like this shit has got bipartisan support you know what i mean it's fucking crazy dude i will say it's it's really insane like as you pointed out yesterday like

just as recently as 15 20 years ago like these same people if you had put like a half u flag and a half any other flag, they would have absolutely lost their shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird thing that's happening because I got a friend that's a famous TikToker and

slowly all of his posts have been about have become about the Russian-raine ukraine situation yeah like in the you know in sort of the lib direction and it's like i'm like why how did that come to be you know what i mean like he was making videos about like being a house husband you know not long ago long ago. You know what I mean? It's very interesting because I feel like every six to nine months, there is like another round on Twitter because, you know,

people have nothing better to do than to just, you know, rehash the same arguments over and over again for years. But like there was this argument going around like a few months ago that was like does propaganda work like are people brainwashed does propaganda even work and it's like no definitely not dude definitely not i mean i think what happened i think what happened in my friend's case i think that like the algorithm must have rewarded him for like keying in on that yeah i don't think that's an accident although tiktok is i think chinese own maybe or at least they were flirting with

the idea of buying it at one point okay you're right the algorithm maybe maybe that maybe that that hypothesis falls apart but still maybe it's you know what i'm saying maybe it's like oh you should make more if you want these to go viral you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well i mean it's like it's really crazy when you see stuff like that or or like the thing you sent me which is in the on the front page of today's paper about how like the town next to us is holding a a prayer rally for ukraine and it's like it's crazy because like i'm i was thinking about like the very first thing that comes to my mind when i say like pray for ukraine is like i think about pray for paris you remember that like yeah i don't know i don't remember if that was like the charlie hebdo shootings or when the notre dame burned down or the bot the balaclan the bot clan when the

nightclub got shot up yeah i thought that was in florida or wait i'm sure no never mind no that happened too both of these are true uh but it's like the the pray for paris thing it like hung around for like two weeks i mean it was like it was kind of in and out but like pray for ukraine like we've we're going on month two of that. It's just interesting. Yeah. It shows no signs of slowing down. And it's interesting, you know, with the Burdine, Kentucky, first church of God or whatever it was that was doing the prayer vigil for Ukraine. It's like everybody out there should just know that Easter, Kentucky is not a hotbed for Russian, Ukrainian,

people of Russian and Ukrainian lineage. Yeah, I think it's it is kind of an example of how people get a series of ideas implanted into them at a young age. And then like over time, that creates like a kind of like associative web or sort of like web of associative like other terms and ideas and like they can just be like activated kind of like at a moment's notice kind of like how the dare uh like the dare uh cops always used to tell you that if you take a hit of lsd you could trip like 30 years later but like the real version of that yeah it's kind of crazy it's like may like i think for me the thing that convinces me that like maybe we don't have free will

and that maybe even it is possible for some humans to control other humans beyond their will is like every time you see a war get kicked up it's like you immediately see people just latch on to things that like they didn't give a shit about even two three weeks before that you know what i mean but like do so in such a passionate and defensive way and it's like okay it's like it's like where did the fuck did this come from like b why do you care like you know what i'm saying like it's kind of like the first thing the first thing we're programmed to do is to is to have a position on everything i don't feel like that was even true 20 years ago let's take it back to like

high school middle school like post like right around 9-11 i don't feel like that that was a time when people would punt on subjects nobody punts on the subject anymore it's kind of kind of kind of one of the problems of podcast but but really you know what i mean it's like but the first way this is successful is we all have to have a position on things that we don't really know a whole lot about with minimal information you know and i'm not saying that you're entitled everybody says you're entitled to your opinion of course you're entitled to your opinion but uh a lot of times those opinions are fashion just kind of seat of the pants and i'm present company included i'm indicting myself in that yeah yeah well i mean it does make you wonder

like what it is about this that is so resonant like why like when i go into the gym obviously they got fox news and newsmax and everything playing and they cover ukraine 24 7 and obviously like their line is that like biden's not doing enough but yeah you're right like as you pointed out earlier there is like a pretty strong consensus on this which is pretty terrifying but like what about this conflict signals something like existential that like well you said it just here's the creepy part about it you said it this morning when you're texting me we couldn't even get a consensus on the goddamn coronavirus it was killing people left and right in 2020 and this continues to i mean slower but you know uh-huh but they but they found consensus on this.

I kind of wonder if. Honestly, it could just be like this simple, like world history is obviously never this simple. But I did say this to you a couple of weeks ago and I was like, good, I'm glad we didn't put that on a podcast because that sounds absurd. But, you know, why not? It kind of makes me wonder if like putin like okay if you ask the question like why is this still hanging around like why is it still so resonant with people like why are why is every light post in downtown white you know my neighbor that bangs the gong every morning for the victims of coronavirus. He doesn't bang the gong anymore, but he's he's flying a Ukrainian flag with that little insignia that looks just a little too fast for comfort. I'm it's it's like the one thing like when's the last thing that libs and conservatives had any kind of common ground like this on, even though they don't really have common ground because like the libs think they do that's the fucking idiots they're like we follow that's the problem

yeah like that like that's why they're all too happy to jump into it's like they're so house trained by the republicans they're like finally something we can say i don't and like okay so okay it could be possible that the national security state interprets this as well what it really is which is like a blatant fuck you to america by like a major global superpower something that hasn't happened in a really long time not in this way and so it's like then that begs the question like don't you think putin would have known that it would have been received that way like yeah i think he probably would have like the mainstream narrative on him is that like he totally miscalculated he blah blah i'm not trying to like attribute any kind of shrewdness to this guy i donated he blah blah blah i'm not trying to like attribute any

kind of shrewdness to this guy i don't know anything about him i'm just saying i don't know anything about him you you probably don't get to say you probably don't get to lead a mass complex state like his in the 21st century for over 20 years if you don't have some sort of and have spent your career as a kgGB spy for a long time before that. Right. Right. So it's like I think he's got some level of, you know, acumen when it comes to this. And so it's like, is it possible that he like looked at how like covid basically just domed America, basically just domed america just fucking walked us into the room like fucking uh uh what's his joe pesci on goodfellas and just domed us like could he just be like like worse than any other country you know what i mean like had a higher rate of death than any other country and just

was just like yeah they're not shit anymore like they're not gonna do shit they can't get anything together it's like it's like a table with three legs you know you just gotta lean on it now to get to fall over because it's like okay then that that might be a miscalculation on putin's part because like obviously america is not finished like obviously it's like we're still a ways off but we're getting there a little quicker than we probably want to acknowledge too right right yeah i don't know so it's like i guess the kind of like media i mean because like i went to the new york times page this morning and i was genuinely shocked that they had the subway shooting above the ukraine stuff like not not very much above they just had one tiny little headline story and then it's like ukraine ukraine ukraine

like i because i check it every morning i don't like i don't have anything else to do in the morning. So I usually sit there with my coffee. I go to the New York Times. I go to the Financial Times. I go to like Washington Post and shit. It's like, yeah, New York Times more than any other. This is just like Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. That's all you're getting.

Oh, man. So it's like, I guess they interpret it to be the pretty big shot across the bow, I guess, in terms of like American hegemony. And I don't know. What did you what was your take on that shooting in New York? I heard something interesting this morning about it. This and I don't want again, not one of the places you want to play fast and loose, because obviously it's awful.

You know, people can shot and all that stuff. But like, I heard people talking about like Eric Adams is like sort of agenda where it's like, not saying that he'd like orchestrated the shooting or anything like that. I'm not going to go there. But like, you know,

like he, you know, he's been going around like new york and like like moving all these homeless encampments just taking people's shit and just like leaving them out there then when people ask you what are you gonna do it's like well we're gonna find a place for him well where is that going to be at and he just doesn't have an answer for it because there's not going to be a fucking place for them they just don't want to have like homeless encampments in new york but it's like there's some people that think there could be some foul play in that situation because of how they're trying to ramp up this idea that like, oh, we're not safe.

So they have an excuse to keep accelerating the police state to the degree that they even need an excuse. I mean, they can just kind of do what they want right now. to the degree that they even need an excuse. I mean, they can just kind of do what they want right now. Right. Because didn't a shooter turn out to be a black nationalist? Wasn't that what it was? I was like, I saw a 62-year-old black guy.

I saw Lee Fong. First, do you hear that noise? It's totally my fault sorry anyways they had that little yeah okay yeah it anyways i saw like a lee fong thing today that was like we need to talk about how black nationalism is a bigger problem it's just like man still doing it huh still up to it that's that's cool i guess that's cool i'm i'm gonna like stuff like that like it's it's like working in the burn pits in afghanistan for like five or six years and watching like your friends slowly like you like get mutant like gross on their arms and faces and stuff from all the carcinogenic chemicals that are burned in the air and you're just

like like when I see stuff like like Lee Fong and then talk about stuff like this. I'm like, dude, I it might be completed their transformation. No, I mean, like it might be time to get out of this metamorphosis. Right? Like this is not

i'm just saying like we're peers and like you look at the guy next to you you're like oh my god like this is what the internet has done to you like this is fucking bad you're grotesque you become grotesque it You've become grotesque. It has claimed a lot of those intercept, guys. It is true. Well, yeah, because when they started that website, they were like, we're fucking doing it. We're fucking doing it.

We're streaking truth to power. We've got the fucking Snowden docs. We've got the eBay money. We're fucking burning this motherfucker down and then people were like all right this is a few years later it's just they're just racist like they i mean like i think they really had bought into this ideology that like a strong and powerful challenging press would because like that was the thing in the obama years like no one challenges obama on anything like and he's persecuting whistleblowers and all

this it's like they failed to i mean like not to mention the fact that like they didn't even protect that one whistleblower like reality winner or whatever remember like they like fucked her whole thing up like uh she like blew the whistle to them and they like didn't protect her and so now she's like in fucking prison and stuff and then like they didn't enact any social change obviously so it's like i think so it's like i think it just like poisoned their brains like i just don't think they were able to really pull out of that like sort of like nose spin like oh shit like yeah anyways just my personal armchair psychological reading of the inner

of lily fong growing limbs well it's a little bit of a delight you know there's a little bit of delay yeah there is i can kind of hear myself like a few seconds after i talk yeah same the brooklyn shooter suspect has a long history of black identity extremism like lots of mass shooters like like lots of yeah like you a black mass shooter till this guy that's just alleged we should say well there was the dude in Dallas in like 2016

and the only way that I remember that dorner yeah there was christopher was that christopher dorner no i thought christopher dorner was the california guy there was this dude that one was fishy as fuck the one in dallas in 2016 dallas yeah because and i'll always for i'll always remember that one till the day i die i will never forget that one because that same night someone in town put a black lives matter sign in the window we're walking home not knowing about that shooting yeah like they did not know about this it was like the one night the one night the worst night you could have picked to have done that like yeah that's Yeah, and that's why the town flipped out. If they would have done that a week before

or maybe like two weeks after, nobody would have cared. No. I would have been right on the heels of that. And then the only other one I can think of is Lee Boyd Malvo, but that's like a different class, I think.

Totally, totally. Well, the Dallas one, though. More Ted Kaczynski vibes. of as lee boyd malvo but that's like that's like a different class i think totally totally well the dallas one though or ted kaczynski vibes well the dallas one though too was pretty fucking weird if i remember correctly if i remember correctly they like had they they had cornered him in like in a parking garage and like a robot went in there and assassinated him you remember that like they never showed the body was kind of like a shot yeah not that they would show the body but like two um micah xavier johnson ambushed a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, shooting and killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan war veteran and was angry over police shootings of black men.

Like it has just all of the fucking stamps, you know, all of the markings of like. Kind of a false flag. I mean, come on. This was in the summer of 2016. Like this was at the heightened like moments of right after Ferguson and all that stuff. Yeah.

Like and also in the lead up in the lead up to the election to that year. Yeah, all this stuff. I had a had a friend in New York called me after the shooting happened in brooklyn and was like uh this person i'm an acquaintance with has been posting all these things online about uh you know some anti-semitic stuff some racist stuff different but just these screeds you know they're like like do you think that's something that we should notify authorities about us like

well but the thing about my first but my first knee-jerk instinct about that stuff is like one there's a blue million guys like that now everyone's doing streets now everybody's doing streets now you know particularly right wing people and then the other part about it is is who you gonna call the fbi they probably had something to do with this right right right right that reminds me of the lee fong tweet the bro The Brooklyn shooter suspect has a long history of black identity extremism, like lots of mass shooters. I love that sentence because it's like.

Like, aren't I mean, I don't know, it's just it's like lots of mass shooters. It's a pretty vague statement. It's like but many left. What he's trying to say, what he's trying to say is like black nationalist views are no different from white nationalist views. And it's fucking stupid. Dude, you're right. That is literally exactly what he's saying. But many leftists simultaneously argue that this ideology doesn't exist and FBI should ignore it. And if it does exist, police are to stop it. Wait. So, OK,

so leftist simultaneously argued that black nationalism doesn't exist and that the FBI should ignore it. Wait. So if it doesn't exist, how can the FBI ignore it? It's like and if it does exist police are powerless

to stop it what is wrong with black nationalism there's literally nothing wrong with black nationalism i don't i don't think it's like good i don't think it's good to mow people down like in a mass shooting but like as an ideology, I mean... Well, it's a strong position, right? Because even the mythologies are rooted in

things with a strong body of evidence, i.e. white people being irredeemable and so forth. Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's all I know about the Brooklyn shooting. I don't I mean, I don't know anything else about it. I did see this in The New York Times.

True crime obsessed. The true the true crime obsessed philanthropist paying to catch killers when the police can't afford to solve cold cases using DNA databases, deep pocketed donors can't afford. Did you see the thing this morning about the bomb detection device company out of England that was hosing like the Iraqi government and all these other governments. Like they basically showed them like sold them like a fake device that was supposed to like detect all kinds of bombs. And it was like based on a toy patent and it did not detect bombs. And like a lot of people died because of it.

That's what, that's what I always think of when we always say like these rich guy solutions and stuff like that there's just no efficacy to it elon musk wanted to do some weird convoluted rescue of those like thai people that were stuck in the cave uh-huh it's like one of those robots it rolls in there and it's got a dowsing rod yeah uh this article is ridiculous dude last january carla davis was on linkedin when she saw an intriguing post identity identify the victim of 1978 Tennessee murder.

Ever since the man's burned remains were found on a campground outside Nashville, the authorities had been trying to figure out who he was and who had killed him. After 42 years with no leads, the local sheriff's office wanted to try a relatively new technique pioneered in the Golden State Killer case.

The local sheriff couldn't afford it, though, so a genetics lab called Othram was panhandling on the internet. Othram's founder and chief executive, David Middleman, a metaphor-loving geneticist, compares the forensic money request to Kickstarter.

Instead of a product, you're getting justice for a family. We're crowdfunding for justice. That phrase has traditionally meant funding bail or legal bills for the accused, but Authram was seeking $5,000 to sequence the victim's DNA. On a whim, Ms. Davis, a wellness coach who lives in Dubai, donated the remaining $3.8 million. She didn't stop there over the last year and mrs miss davis has

given more than 100 000 to author him as if it were a charity rather than a venture bank startup primarily for cold cases in mississippi her birth state a friend told me okay okay okay so this is like uber for unsolved crimes uh-huh but like only rich people can really participate in it like i guess because do you think do you think because i'm curious about this have you noticed like when i was growing, nobody ever really talked about what they were, at least where I'm from. You were just like white trash, but now people are like, oh, I'm Irish, I'm this, I'm that. Right, right, right.

There's very much discussion about what you are. Do you think that the rise in 23andMe and that kind of stuff is just like a huge sort sort of um i don't know like dna banking project to for like you know what i mean to to get us all on the record and keep us under their thumb like in the same way that like in kind of the same way that like what mark zuckerberg and all these people knew is that data had some sort of value, and so they stole our data out from hunters before we realized it had any value. Kind of like a

digital version of the broad form deed, almost. Like that. This shit gives me pause, though, because this is a different level. Especially when you find out that you can trace all the 23 and me shit back to Saudi and Israeli backers.

That is a good comparison, by the way. The digital version of the Broadform deed. For those of you who don't know what that is, go read the Kentucky Constitution, which I know you are all dying to... Well-versed in. Well-versed in. which I know you are all dying to well-versed it well-versed in.

Miss Davis is part of a growing cohort of amateur DNA detectives. Their hobby born of widespread consumer genetic testing paired with an unquenchable desire for true crime content. Well, I just listened to a murder podcast. Oh my God. They crave the content, man. Dude! Holy shit. Oh no!

I can't handle that. Why just listen to a murder podcast when you can help police come through genealogical databases for the second cousins of suspected killers and their unidentified victims. You're right. Why just listen to a murder podcast when you can be helping police? When you can make your own in real time. So far, donors around the country have given at least a million dollars to the keep that in mind.

If you're tempted to find out whether you're like, uh, Norwegian or Irish or whatever the fuck you, you think you might be probably don't want to do that. If you plan on, like, if you have the capacity to commit a violent crime, maybe just like,

don't give a shit about what your ancestry is. You're right. So far, donors around the country have given at least a million dollars to the cause. They could usher in a world where few crimes go unsolved, but only if society is willing to accept and fund DNA. Dragness.

Wow. DNA. Dragness. You say the funny thing. the funny thing to me about this is like this started because these like you know rich bored wellness coaches in you know dc suburbs in dubai like wanted to, we're listening to too much content. They, they kind of got the same brain poisoning that my boy Fong got.

They got too much content. They overdosed, they OD'd on content and like they, now they want to like solve murder mysteries from like 20, 30 years ago. So like I could see a scenario in which like the bored heiress of like a you know a large regional manufacturing scion in like the midwest or something like that winds up funding the investigation of an unsolved murder from like the nineties when like a seven year old boy was like snatched off the streets of

some rural town in Ohio or something like that. And like, it turns out that like the reason why the kid was snatched in the first place was some like fucked up, like Epstein or like Franklin, you know, like, you know, sex ring thing. You know what I mean? Where they like steal kids off the streets. Because I mean, like there's like that Johnny Gosh case, you know what I mean? From like Nebraska, I think it's from Nebraska. What's the Johnny Gosh case? I mean,

that's kind of like a similar thing. Like there's all these theories about like what happened to that guy. Guy is a kid. Paper boy in West Des Moines, Iowa, who disappeared without a trace between six and seven a.m. on September 5th, 1982. He's presumed to have been kidnapped as of 2022. There have been no arrests made in the case is now considered cold, but remains open. Like I kind of feel like,

okay, so there's obviously a lot of like quote unquote conspiracy theories around here. But part of the reason why is because his mother, Noreen gosh said that Johnny escaped from his captive captors and visited her with an unidentified man in 1997. She said that her son, fuck.

She said that her son told her that he had been victim of a pedophile organization and had been cast aside when he was too old but subsequently feared for his life and lived under an assumed identity feeling it was not safe to return home now somebody could have been like fucking with her which would have been absolutely fucked up you know this clinically traumatized woman um she could also have been so traumatized that like i don't know maybe you could like imagine something like this happening i don't really want to count into that like i feel like that happened to my that a similar thing happened to my family once my mom's brother

had like a long lost son that really yeah and and like i don't know it wasn't clear to me if the son ended up being not legit or if the actual legit son was just a con man and like trying to get money which for my family would have been tantamount to drawing blood out of a turnip a bunch of broke motherfuckers but um yeah it was kind of weird it's like you know he was like telling all my it's like oh i love you and all this kind of stuff like with that like minutes of not and it's like nobody ever knew it you know what i mean yeah yeah but it was some kind of scammy thing because he kept like coming back asking for money and stuff and it's like i don't know what to tell you maybe you're barking up the wrong tree like literally if you're gonna run that scam try to run it on like bezos or something like yo

run it on somebody with the last name like roosevelt or alshancloss you know but like i feel like there's a lot of these unsolved murders please the only reason i thought that was because there's that unsolved murder from Somerset of that girl in like the night or like abduction murder. What was it? We talked about it with the Demetrian

Colin a few weeks ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember that. But anyways, you know what I mean? Like there's these unsolved murders that you could easily see. Like the family members of people responsible for those disappearances could be like. They have they find out a horrifying truth. Oh, my God.

Father, is it true? Did you really abduct that young man off the streets? He's like, I did what I had to do for this family. You don't understand. We had to have mass rituals. Creepy old dudes always do what they have to do for their family, even if their family would have been totally fine without that. Absolutely.

It's not quite minority report. It's hard to commit a crime or do anything without leaving some DNA behind. While crime scenes may include incriminating genetic evidence from perfectly innocent people, probative DNA material that is clearly relevant to an investigation such as a bloodstain can be a powerful clue, but only if investigators can match it to the right person. The case of the Golden State killer who committed 13 murders and dozens of rapes in California went unsolved for decades. So the FBI decided in 2018 to use DNA evidence from a sexual assault to build out the perpetrator's likely family tree the resulting

identification and prosecution of a 72 year old police officer former police officer prove the value of what's called forensic genetic genealogy like you don't need to fucking do dna tests on a dna drag nest to catch serial killers just Just put all cops in jail. If you put all cops in jail, like serial killing. A lot of those cold cases would just by default get solved. Or, you know, or at least the rightful killer would have been apprehended. Right, right. What made the investigation possible was GED match, a low frills online gathering place for people to upload DNA test results

from popular direct consumer services, such as Ancestry or 23andMe in hopes of connecting with unknown relatives. The authority's decision to mine the genealogical enthusiast data for investigative leads was shocking at the time and led the site to warn users. Okay, I didn't know this. I didn't know this. This is did you know this no this is crazy the authority's decision to mine the genealogical

enthusiast data for investigative leads was shocking at the time and led the site to warn users but the practice has continued and has since been used in hundreds of cases holy they are i wasn't jesting they are using all that kind of 23 and me type data holy fucking shit dude they just don't give a fuck did i ever tell you about the guy that called uh weisberg police department one day and he confessed to killing somebody and like told the cops where the guy's remains were no in this case had been cold for decades like nobody was like the guy was probably like you know living his life somewhere every day eating at him that he

had done this horrible thing and back in weisberg meanwhile back in weisberg a bunch of cops just sitting around fucking flirting with underage girls and eating mcdonald's and shit all day just like he's just thinking like god no they're gonna catch me i have to come i have to confess to this he just he just cold calls the whitesburg police says i killed somebody in 1982 and here's where the remains were chief of police my brother turns to me and goes well that was an interesting call literally second way

nobody even knows who this guy is that got killed oh man they just could not live with any amount of uncertainty out there on the land just like this is gonna catch up to me one day little does he know nobody gives a fuck dude this is so fucked up it is so fucked up that like they can just have your your genetic data and just like, no, it's ours. No, it's ours now. Like you can get fucked.

You gave it to us, right? I mean, I've never done anything like that. But like, I'm sure I have family members who have in my family members have my DNA. So it's like a lot of it anyways. So, I mean. Jesus Christ, dude. so it's like right a lot of it anyways so i mean um jesus christ dude it is just i mean it is continually so mind-blowing how i mean really if you really want to get into like was 9-11 like a false flag or not like it really is incredible how much like we just don't have quote-unquote rights anymore okay like we never had them to begin with i i realized that we had

them on paper but they're never really enforced but i think there was like probably like a two or three decade like you know like during like a war in court and stuff when they were like passing stuff about like miranda rights like and stuff when they were like passing stuff about like Miranda rights like and stuff like that you know what I mean like it seemed like there was kind of a push for and more free speech rights and stuff like that it seemed like there was a push during

those years but really since 9-11 I feel like it's just been a gradual just be like nah you can just watch me all the time yeah just yeah yeah we're like yeah it's like it's funny it's like the proliferation of all this stuff and then like the addition of like the alexas and all that kind of stuff where you're just like bugging your house for them you know oh yeah

oh yeah it is it is weird 9-11 just created the pretense to manage society in this like much feared big brother kind of way but it's become it's just this gradually become so normalized that we don't view it as like something out of like brave new world anymore right 1984 whichever one of those deals with such a scenario i can't remember never read either uh because many local agencies lack the resources to participate like what's i feel like you always see these like stats going around about how like the NYPD has like a larger budget than like like the Italian military or stuff like, you know, I mean, like stuff like that, like they have the resources to investigate murders. I mean, like if anything, if police should be doing anything, it's like probably the only thing they should be doing really is investigating murders. it's like probably the only thing they should be doing really is investigating murder. I mean,

not obviously using DNA, people's DNA without their consent to do that, but like they've got the fucking resources. Like you're just giving them money. It's like that money is going to like, just man, it's going to materialize as an MRAP at a fucking BLM, you know,

at a pride rally. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that like, that's what the fuck are you doing giving them money to solve true crime oh god it's so bad a group of well-off friends calling some holy fuck this is incredible. Look at this. Look at this.

A group of well-off friends calling themselves the Vegas Justice League has given Othram $45,000, resulting in the solving of three murder-rape cases in Las Vegas. What the fuck is the Vegas Justice League? Dude. Very fucking strange. Welcome to the Vegas

Justice League. What the fuck? Can you imagine having all that disposable income and the thing you want to do is give it to cops? That's really something.

Yeah, the Vegas Justice League is comprised of local volunteers who make contributions to help solve cold cases in Las Vegas. I mean, like, you know, I... Obviously, like, it's helpful. It's good for the families if like a cold case is solved and you like finally are able to get some closure to this fucked up thing that happened to you a long time ago but i just don't um believe that giving the police more money is going to like because like okay the police are already like hey they already have the money and resources to like, because like, OK, the police are already like,

hey, they already have the money and resources to do all this shit. Obviously, the fact that they're not means that they're going after shit like people jumping turnstiles. They're not like, you know what I'm saying? It's like,

yeah, it's like the the the one thing the cops don't need is more money. Right. Right. Usually anywhere. Right. Like like the cops probably when you gave them that money they probably went to the file cabinets and flipped through a couple files it was like oh about giving a fuck about this we'll call this solved yeah uh greg harris he committed this crime god damn it greg you're going to 1959 god damn it greg sadly he's dead

now but so you'll never see his day in court but we solved it thanks for the money you know what i mean it's like we solved it through the support of listeners like you we want to help the police in the community just knock these out, said Justin Wu, an online marketer who founded the Las Vegas group. It's not quite minority report where you're predicting and stopping. But if you get these people off the streets through the DNA stuff, it's OK. That's a minority report. That's literally minority off the streets through the DNA stuff. Well, there may not be a more racist turn of phrase than off the streets. Dude, you're right.

There is nothing there. You can't. There's nothing more racist than say getting somebody off the streets. You're right, because like it literally is like the implication is that like it's a group of people, like a community, like we have to clean the community. Right. Like the of those people. Right.

Oh, my God. In the publicized cases in Las Vegas, the perpetrators were dead. You're right. You called that one, too. Mr. Wu said people had contacted him to ask if they could donate money to prioritize the case of a loved one i don't have that ability he said but i can pass this along to las vegas metropolitan police and they can decide i used to live in las

vegas and let me tell you about las vegas metropolitan police um not the brightest bunch you'll ever come across. Natalie Ram, a law professor at University of Maryland, expressed concern about the public picking and choosing between cases, saying investigative priorities could be determined by who can donate the most. Miss Ram. Let me paint you a little dystopian picture and i hate to do this because that's all it seems to be that's all we can imagine anymore it's just like bleak dark futures but this one's kind of funny just follow me it's like the voice right uh-huh but instead of blake shelton and um glenn stefani and uh i think Pharrell and the guy from Maroon 5 are on there too. Maybe CeeLo Green. I don't know.

Maybe I'm blending all these different shows now. But it's going to be the voice except it's going to be called The Crime. And instead of getting up there and singing, it's going to be like a police lineup. And they're going to pull their DNA and

the main guy like the blake shelton character is gonna be like new york mayor eric adams and the rest will be like celebrity cops like at one crazy bastard milwaukee joe or pie is your power i was gonna say sheriff joe will be there yeah yeah sheriff joe like all these famous cops will be up there and they will like crack the case in real time with like 23 and me results. But like, you'll see it in like little, like little charts, you know, like on American Idol, America used to call in who they wanted to vote for. That'll be what happens. They're going to call it who committed the crime.

And then they're going to weigh that against 23 and me and see if america was right or the dna was right uh-huh yep you were right and it'll be on uh it'll be you know come on after whatever 30-minute abc family sitcom uh modern will replace modern family they'll have the golden state killer on there too because he was a former cop it's like how in catch me if you can like leonardo dicaprio they like he like commits all these scams but they like bring him out of prison so he can help the police catch other scammers yeah one panelist one panelist would be a former uh yeah it'd be like a reformed person that like is now like for the police or

something right that is the crazy thing to me it's like or i mean like uh yeah yeah i don't know just like there are so many serial killers in like your average american police department like your average American police department, just like cops who just like waste five or six or seven or eight or 20 people in the course of their careers. And just nothing happens. It was just like, it's like that thing. A few days ago,

you remember back in 2020 during the George Floyd protests in Buffalo, that like 70 year old man was just like walking in these two police officers just fucking shoved him to the ground and then like you know it was completely horrific absolutely like the old man in the Buffalo so that Buffalo uh cops yeah yeah and like just earlier this week they like released their like conclusions of their report who the fuck even knows no wrongdoing yeah yeah yeah yeah like we all watched it happen yeah they said it was justified there it's it's it's funny because i'll tell you this i had uh i was talking to my mom's nurse a few nights ago in the hospital and we were talking about the

vanderbilt nurse and whatever and she was telling me her take on it and how like you know uh she's now like you know like gonna go to jail for manslaughter or whatever and she made a very good point after that she was like so nurses can make medical mistakes and go to jail, but cops like kill people all the time and nothing. They don't even get like, like if, if, if your logic is that nurses should go to jail for medical mistakes, every cop that kills somebody should at least pull two years for manslaughter by that logic.

Absolutely. But it's funny how nothing happens to them. Like nothing at all happens. No, completely. manslaughter by that logic absolutely but it's funny how nothing happens to them like nothing at all happens no completely you kill somebody with no malice like unintentionally that's called manslaughter and it's a crime and you'll go to jail but not cops no which is interesting i'm trying to think of other uh famous cops there was frank serpico most famously portrayed by trying to think of other famous cops. There was Frank Serpico. Most famously portrayed by.

They could have. Or it's just Al Pacino as Frank Serpico. Let's see the results. I don't know. Yeah, it's Erica Adams. And no, like, none of the famous cops. But it's like the actor that portrayed the famous cop as in the character of the famous cop. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Well, in that case, you could have, like, Dennis Farina. From Miami Vice. Erica Strada. Erica Strada! From Chips. Erica Strada rolls up to his chair in a motorcycle.

Oh, man. That would be so good natalie ram okay we we talked about that and this ram said the largest share of cases solved so far with the method tend to involve white female victims an existing bias toward prioritizing white victims which has been documented in media coverage could be compounded by the demographic makeup of the genealogy databases. Their composition skews heavily white, according to a recent law review article. Fascinating. So, like, only white people are submitting their DNA to these sites?

That's what it looks like. Imagine that. We're not only, but the vast majority of them. That is pretty funny. Just like white like white people like who the fuck am i like do you really need to know that much that your father came or your great great great great grandfather came from the goddamn fishing village in denmark come on um their composition skews heavily white uh according to recent law review article which contrasted these databases to state collections of dna such as the fbi's codis which over is represent black people no surprise there

who are more likely to be arrested and have their dna taken um miss ram is also concerned about the constitutional privacy issues raised by the searches particularly for those people who haven't taken dna tests or uploaded the results okay okay hold on a second so what you're basically lobbying for is you're making some sick little fucking like squid game ask sort of thing out of like DNA to solve all these unsolved crimes because you are an adult child addicted to true crime. And and and now you're concerned about that now or is she saying that like everybody should have to submit their dna to play her sick little game well so that person was a law professor at university of maryland she was kind of like in these stories you have to have like a voice of like reason or opposition

or whatever you know someone saying like we probably shouldn't be doing this not only is it unconstitutional but like it could be really bad for uh communities of color and etc um but uh yes it does seem that what you said is somewhat true for the person that this article started out profiling, the wellness coach, who is basically like, yeah, I don't give a fuck about the consequences of this. Like, I just want my true crimes solved. I want my true crimes solved police like people don't watch their stories anymore like they listen to the true crime podcast and if they have millions of dollars then they give that money to cops who can solve it for them and so then it really is like a kind of like dopamine rush too for them you know it's like i mean as it says here even if you resolve never to put your dna on a site accessible to law

enforcement authorities you share dna with many other people so could still be discoverable. All it takes is your sibling, aunt, or even a distant cousin deciding differently. You know what I mean? As donations pour in for these searches, the fortunes of the services that make them possible are also on the rise. that make them possible are also on the rise. The two main consumer databases used for law enforcement searches, Family Tree DNA and GED Match, have both recently been acquired

by larger companies. While the DNA testing behemoths Ancestry and 23andMe, which have largely resisted police access to their databases, have valued... Largely resisted, but not completely. Give us a break. We've done, we've tried, we've largely done it.

Have valuations in the billions of dollars. Even a former FBI lawyer who worked on the Golden State Killer case is getting in on the action. Steve Kramer, who said he helped the FBI establish three forensic genetic genealogy units across the country, left the agency in november to help found a company seeking to automate genealogical research i don't consider genetic genealogy for just cold cases we've solved acts active homicides within weeks he said who has already come up with

a catchphrase we want to take the word serial out of serial killer all right well good one good one steve yeah good good luck you know what's what'll happen is like all these fucking true crime freaks will like they'll get to like the end of their the end of the internet so to speak where it's like now there's no more serial killers that exist or anything and then they'll become the serial killers because like basically like doing the johnny mullins thing with the weather. Yeah, basically. No weather will happen for you. Make your own weather.

Make your own weather. You're right. The philanthropy is also being fueled by true crime, an entertainment genre that has come to dominate podcast charts. Audio Chuck, an Indiana company with a slate of popular true crime shows, has donated approximately $800,000 to organizations doing investigative genealogical research, including AuthRAM. But the majority has gone to a nonprofit started by Ashley Flowers, host of the network's Crime Junkie podcast. What keeps me sane is knowing we're doing something to make it better, she said, who

show largely consists of discussing murders in detail. The nonprofit called Season of justice has raised another 250 000 some through crowdfunding and so far has made grants toward 53 unsolved murders just writing a grant for a fucking to crime junkies inc for a fucking fucking like like some kid is going to get hired out of college by their municipal like city council to like write a grant so the local police department can get a a like a quarter million dollar like dna testing kit and the money will you know what what I mean? Like, I don't know. Jesus Christ. Oh, this is no good.

No good. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Donate your money or your DNA. Mr. Middleman, Othram's CEO, said his company had received more than $400,000 from philanthropic donors.

According to Crunchbase... How much? $400,000. I thought you said $400 million for a second. I was like... This is out of hand. Unbelievable. According to Crunchbase, the startup has also raised $28.5

million from institutional investors to corner the market around this new investigative technique. Founded in the Woodlands, Texas in 2018, the company now has 30 employees, said Mr. Middleman, including five full-time genealogical researchers, and will soon move to a new building with a lab four times the size of its current one. researchers and will soon move to a new building with a lab four times the size of its current one their pitch is simple government labs lack the expensive equipment needed to process dna database cigarette butts bloodstained fabric bone which may be decades old okay well anyways you get the idea pretty fucking crazy though oh man a startup that basically

crowd funds DNA to solve crimes is just that's the worst I'm going to throw a non-profit term at you that's the worst nexus I've ever heard of that's a good one imagine working at a non-profit like Crime Junkie That's the worst nexus I've ever heard of. That's a good one.

Imagine working at a nonprofit like Crime Junkies. Everyone's constantly wondering the halls of their make work job, looking for more true crime content. Just like, yeah, man, what you got? Oh, man. Yeah. Man, what you got? Oh, man. I'm trying to find...

Where is Jean? Miss Davis works from a guest bedroom and she has converted into his or her office. GED match told her how many centimorgans a measure of genetic linkage each of the relatives shared with the victim the dna unfolds and tells a specific story and you have to just follow the story and see where it leads she said it's not usually a story that unfolds easily people on ged match typically list anonymous email addresses it's one thing to put your dna publicly on the internet it's another to explicitly say it's yours miss davis tries not to contact matches directly um i don't know pretty crazy man i saw the science behind this is a little

off and me and my friend pete were talking and he's he's a biologist and all this stuff. We were talking and, and he says that, um, it's basically very difficult to sequence a genome past one or two generations. So like, if you do these genetic testing sites, thinking it's going to reveal something about like your great, great, great, great, whatever. It's like, it's not what it's going to do for you not with any sort of accuracy anyway is it is it basically just conjecture um based off of like like people with similar dna in different places yeah right so like it looks at your genetic profile and looks basically looks for like patterns and then probably uses an algorithm to kind of make a

conjecture of what your ancestors would have been probably like a thousand years ago or something you know i guess yeah that sounds about that sounds about right so it's like it's like i would not use this as any sort of meaningful tool to solve a crime if it can't also just tell me that like i'm scottish like with any sort of like real accuracy or whatever right right yeah it definitely feels though that like in their minds it's full fail proof yeah you know what i'm saying in in their minds it's like the end all be all um i don't know it's the infallibility of science man yeah we're just following the science yeah it's a weird mentality though like i get it like if you're a young again like if you're a family member that's like looking for some closure to a situation.

You had a relative that was the victim of a crime or whatever. I get people like those. But just these weird sort of influencers with all this money or Instagram, whatever, people with all this money that just want to create true crime content in real time. Yeah. It's really fucking bleak in my mind yeah yeah it's like we said earlier like giving the police money to do that like a they've already got the money and they're not doing it so right i mean what are you doing you send your money and it's like it's like it's so funny that dumb bastard was like they've already solved three

cases and it's like all of them were dead it's like oh imagine that right oh yeah but but and also though like i don't know it's yeah i don't know man it's just an unfortunate thing i mean it's uh but it's the the crazy thing about it is it's driven by content everything is content that everything's content now so it's like that's the only way to see any actual material change in the world like you just need to make more content and someone somewhere will listen to your content and just be like this is excellent content i would love more content like this and they'll you know they'll maybe they'll pay their police department maybe they'll pay their fire department

maybe they'll pay their library that'll be like the new patronage like the new sort of like neo feudal network it's like people now fund like the arts and like libraries because they like content. That's basically it. It's all content. Content driven economy, really. Yeah. I mean, that's what NFTs are. NFTs are a way to monetize content.

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