Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 266: Calipari In The Coal Mine (w/ special guest Haley O'Shaughnessy)

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

Friend of the show Haley O'Shaughnessy (@HaleyOSomething) stops by to chat "yall culture," sports cheating, and the interesting case of Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari's heritage Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Have you guys ever thrown out your back? This is a new thing for me, but I think I threw out my back and somewhere in these heat patches. There's a new drug for that. Perhaps you've heard of it called fentanyl. I've got my Butterfinger Mini soaking in it right now for this weekend. Oh, this shit hurts. And the heat patch, it's like wearing one of the wearing a, you know, one of the vests where it's like your arms are kind of cold.

Right. But your torso's really hot. My back is so hot. The rest of everything is freezing because it's cold here now. Real hot girl shit is keeping the tiger palm on deck. Yeah. What was that, the shack you stood indoors? Icy hot.

Icy hot, yeah. Speaking of shack, so this show, this episode has obviously got like two sides, like two teams, right? Like, Haley, you're a Louisville fan. I take it, I assume, right? Yeah, thank you for assuming that. I wasn't sure if everyone was aware of that today. But I didn't want to risk not being invited. And then Tom,

obviously UK fan. So I gotta balance this out a little bit. And I thought I might... I think I'm a Hilltopper. I'm gonna plug the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers. Mostly because they have the best mascot in the state, I think. That is probably inarguable, to be perfectly honest.

What's Transylvania's mascot? It's the Pioneer, but what a branding opportunity they've blown by not leaning into the Halloween shit. Right. Although, I think they are leaning into it more because they are the pioneers, but their mascot's a bat. They should be the bloodsuckers.

I think that is a great mascot. Well, one Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, was the chancellor and an alumni there. Yeah, a bloodsucker. Kind of goes right in with the history, yeah. I like it. Well, so where Shaq ties into this? This is like, you know that game we played where it's like you Wikipedia it,

like trying to get from one thing to the next in like however many steps? Yeah. It's like Jefferson Davis to Shaquille O'Neal. Yeah. Go. Well, I don't know what the connective tissue here would be necessarily between Transylvania and Western Kentucky, WKU. But WKU apparently just cut funding to a lot of its humanities programs.

program programs however they just brought in one dj diesel to perform for their like tailgate party for their uh homecoming do you know who dj diesel is i do okay i didn't know who the fuck i didn't know that like shack was out here like trying to revive his career you know his rapping career like no it's even worse i've seen him wow you've seen the days alive yeah i was at a um i was in la for the super bowl and my friend and i went to this carnival that we got tickets to just because they'll give you tickets to the worst stuff for free um if you are in sports at all and sometimes it is fun but most of the time it's not um and this is an example of the latter and so it's a carnival put on by shack and so of course, he's headlining it. And he is playing, like, just the most 2014 songs. Not even far back enough that you're like, oh, I haven't heard this song in forever. You're still hating the sound of it because of how much it played on the radio.

Right. And I distinctly remember at that venue, you could only get, like get like bud light aritas what do you call them like the limerick margarita you could only get the bud light margaritas yeah uh-huh so we're drinking them i'm just like my stomach is sloshing i don't even want to be in there like i don't want to but you know i see this guy he's pretty cute he comes up and starts talking to me and i'm i'm like okay well maybe this is there's a happy ending after all, and this isn't all for waste. It was Shaq. Shaq came up to you.

It was Shaq. That man, folks. I think I know him. He's everywhere. Which is kind of true, because he is in every commercial. You're like, how many things are you sponsoring? And then he also owns so many random restaurants. Anyway, this guy's like, oh, is this your first time seeing D's?

The D's. And I said, is this your first time seeing him? And he said, no, I went and saw him in Miami a month ago. And I literally took my friend and I walked out the damn door. He has dead heads. saw him in miami a month ago and i literally took my friend and i walked out the damn door he's like he has dead heads he has like dead yeah there's guys following the diesel around like dead heads sure enough oh shit i hope that like that they like are like kind of have the dead head aesthetic too that's just their thing they follow the diesel Diesel around. Selling bootleg shirts in the parking lot.

Is DJ Diesel... Is it him rapping, or is it him DJing? Just DJing. Does he come in with a crate of records, and he's spinning 1984 UK house music, like Jungle Beach? I wish it was that interesting. No, I mean,

it's really just like what you heard on the radio from 2014 to 2016. He's like, he's playing like down by Jay Sean and shit like that. So you're telling me it's Shaq with an ox court, basically. A hundred percent. That's well, and I saw Liz Cambage,

a WNBA player at, in New York, like a couple of months before that. And it was even worse, somehow even worse. Amazing. Yeah. So, Iage, a WNBA player in New York a couple months before that, and it was even worse. Somehow even worse. Amazing. Yeah, so I mean a lot of NBA players do the DJ thing. Andre Drummond did it for a while.

I never saw him, but I heard he was bad too. It's interesting that it's only guys with prohibitively huge hands for like scratching that choose that side hustle. They can like palm the entire record like a basketball. Yeah, it's not like J.J. Barea out there. Normal-sized hands. It's Andre Drummond Shaq. Which might be to their detriment.

Might be a correlation between that and shooting free throws. Sometimes your hands are just too big. Right. That's true. You know, if you're going gonna give that much money to an artist while you are simultaneously cutting funding to other programs you would expect like i mean i could maybe justify it if it was um i don't know uh like the hologram for tupac or something like that if they were like we have a tupac hologram i'dupac or something like that.

If they were like, we have a Tupac hologram, I'd be like, all right, this was worth losing, you know, 50 of these friends. But it's just Shaq with an ox cord. I don't know. Do you know how much they're paying him, did you say? It was like a quarter million dollars. Wow. Yeah. in him did you say it was like a quarter million dollars yeah what one time so i went to university of texas and um one time shack came to the university of texas and in the 90s shack had a

video game called shack fu and um right where he fought, it was kind of like Mortal Kombat, but he fought the mummies and shit. He had to run the gamut of fighting Egyptian gods. Yeah, he is. He's in it. he, I don't know, he was doing some press conference. I think he, it wasn't a press conference. I think he was giving,

I think he was trying to be a motivational speaker in the 2000s, like in the aughts. And so he was giving like a i think he was trying to be a motivational speaker in the 2000s like in the aughts and so he was giving a speech on campus and i don't know one of my friends like i guess he was taking questions at the end and one of my friends asked him like uh do you care to comment on shack fu like what what do you think about shack fu and he paused for a couple seconds and he just just said, Shaq Fu, yo mama, bitch. And that was... Damn. I mean, he is funny.

So I don't mind him being around and in and around everything. I do think a quarter of a million dollars might be a bit steep for a funny DJ. Speaking of musical artists, you know, of musical artists you know genius musical artists who are trying to like revamp their career in a in a new way i've i've had to be at the vet lately because we have like a sick cat at home and so i was at the vet for like two hours yesterday, and they had HGTV on. And I don't know if y'all have heard about this show, but Lil Jon has a show on HGTV called Lil Jon Does What?

I think that's what it was called. It's called. Uh-huh. Yeah. Lil Jon Wants to Do What? That's what it's called little john wants to do what like with a play on his his yeah that you you that's just all you heard from like 2007 yeah the premise of the show so this is the premise of the show it's kind of like pimp my ride but it's with like

big mansions in like the atlanta suburbs and little john comes to your house that you know you're you've gutted it you're either trying to resell it or you just want to renovate it and little john comes to your house and comes up with the craziest ideas and i mean little john like little john what you would expect and like one idea that he had was a play room for this couple's kids that had a slide coming down from the attic you went up to the attic and got in this like loop-de-loop slide that went down it went down into this playroom that was half swiss chalet themed and half narnia themed it was like it's the most like weird mashup of ideas you could possibly imagine and like constantly the show is literally him running ideas by these homeowners them hating the ideas he gets depressed his co-host has to like talk him out

of his depression and then the and then the homeowners come around to it and then he tries to implement his ideas like with the narnia swiss chalet themed room he put like eight doors in one room and made the project go way over budget they had no idea how to like like what to do it's like it's like calling you to bring samson back you're like hold on a second i gotta see like he's putting those those barn doors you know the sliding barn doors everybody's at every every single house he does he wants to put in a bar like uh like uh some music themed bar like he got a piano and turned that into a bar um like every single house because like i think he might have his own vodka or something and he like stocks the bar wasn't he here a little

little little tie-in wasn't he briefly the creative director of papa john's like sort of like was he like john schnatter post john schnatter exile for like eight seconds i i don't remember that um if they could have saved face that way that could have been their attempt that would be in line with a man i have the funniest stories about him but wait where did you say that uh you said this was in atlanta yeah they should get him to do the cop playground he can design it they really should like like little tunnels that you can crawl through and it's slides everywhere doors just doors. No one's ever going to get anywhere. Narnia themed. Narnia themed cop playground in Atlanta.

Love the idea of little John being a C.S. Lewis guy. I know. And they didn't do him justice because his co-host kept calling it the Hobbit hole. And he was like, no, this is Narnia. This is not Lord of the Rings. Yeah, you're fucking with the vision man it's it's pretty great um well okay let's let's formally start the show today um today on today's show we have with us a very special guest, Haley O'Shaughnessy.

Did I say your last name right? Is that Irish? Maybe the most. But I do love when people are like, is that Italian? That's hilarious. I hope people keep saying that's me till the end of time. Haley, you have a podcast, or you did, right? I did, yeah.

We just ended it. But Haley, you have a podcast or you did, right? I did, yeah. We just ended it. I was like, there's really nothing to introduce me as anymore. I was just on True Hoop and they were like, well, what do you want us to introduce? I've got nothing. Yeah, that's good.

That's liberating. That's like you're a free agent. Oh, you have no idea. You have no idea you have no idea just in case any of my uh uh extended family members listen to chubilies i won't go into my extensive plans to be uh unemployed and relax for a while um but that is the that is the plan yeah i mean i started doing this when i was 22 and i'm just pretty wiped. Yeah. You used to be at the Ringer, right?

Mm-hmm. Like, back in the day. Yeah, I think that was my first exposure to you, like, maybe five, six years ago or something like that. That was my first, like, job job. Well, I mean, I was waitressing before that, but I got out of college and uh I thought you usually you have to go to like and be a beat reporter for a team and one of my friends was doing I was watching from afar and I was watching him go to fly to every game and I thought that would be awful um and I didn't know

what I was gonna do like maybe sales or something. Nothing was really working out. And then the ringer just called and I don't know. And then you get your dream job at 22 and then, you know, seven years goes by and you're bored. Yeah, exactly. At 22, I was working at a UPS store, having people scream at me for shipping prices. So, you know, we all need in the same. Parallels, yeah.

I finally got the call up to be on Spinsters, you know. I was making my matriculation from the minor leagues to being a serious hoops pundit, you know. And then the show ended. No, I know. Close the doors. I was like, no. No, but it was great. And it's good to have you, H know. Close the door. I was like, no. No, but it was great.

And it's good to have you, Haley. Thanks. Thanks. I appreciate it, guys. Yeah. So there's a few things I wanted to cover today. First of all, I saw, yeah, so there's a few things, actually, most of which all come from the New York Times.

So, Haley, you're in Louisville. Would you consider yourself a y'all star? You know, it's kind of tough. When I first heard you guys use the term, I had to listen to a more previous episode to really understand what it meant. You had to dig through the lore. a more previous episode to really understand what it meant to dig through the lore yeah god and then when it when i when i understood i was like god damn it i might be sometimes because because when i was in la there was this shift kind of where it was like at first little things that you would say and do you know that were i grew up in indiana a lot my family's from kentucky

came back here for college um that were you know people pointed out made fun of in certain words and whatever and then you come back and you're like actually fuck you guys this stuff is funny and good and uh so then you lean into it and i was like oh did i lean into it too much my y'all starring you you know what I mean? So I really had a reflection look in the mirror moment. Now, I will say I own no possum merch. What's another thing I'm actively doing to change, to be part of the change? This is y'all star rehab.

Y'all star rehab. This is an intervention. You know. Y'all star rehab. It's an intervention. You know, I'll tell you this. I think there is one thing that I remember you saying one time that I think is disqualifying for the all-star thing. It was a ringer thing. And I don't know why I remember this. I think it was just because we're both from Kentucky.

And I was like, oh, this person's from Kentucky. And it was a debate about whether Kentucky was the South or not. And you, at the time, weighed in and said, no, it feels a little more Midwest to me. That's probably true if you grew up in Louisville, even though Louisville has all the trappings of a southern state. But it feels a little more like Cincinnati moved to Mississippi a little bit. but it feels a little more like Cincinnati moved to Mississippi a little bit. But, yeah, you had came down on the side that Kentucky's the Midwest, which is in direct opposition to the All-Star stance.

So I think really, truly you're spared. Now, Tom, you're giving me a little bit too much credit because I know exactly what you're talking about, and my argument was it's none of them it's a hybrid of all of them because it is truly it touches the the second most states of any state right right so how can you expect the small little states to not have influence from the from like west virginia right right from tennessee ohio and so yeah of course like northern kentucky where some of my mom's family's at, Louisville probably feels the Ohio a little bit more.

Ohio, Indiana section of it. But yeah, I was firmly like, you can't just call it the South. That's ridiculous. Right. Right. So, okay, good. Then I'm resolved. Terrence, did you ask me that because you were wanting me to address it uh yeah I was

I want you to do a little bit of self reflection this show is all about it's been a really humbling beginning yeah get our guests on and then uh that's what we do not like uh one of the things I'm working on in therapy right now is uh

the first five years of this show being such a mean, petty asshole coming up with things like Y'all Star and trying to forgive myself for sowing division among people in the state. Because I, you know, have that much influence that I've, I've sowed so much division. Um, you know, though, I do think it's, it's good to have a term for it because sometimes I think it's a little bit like when you're a Cowboys fan, but you're not from any where that has to do, like you're a,bron you're a yankees fan a cowboys fan um an america's team guy you're an america's team yeah and because you know it's like the the trendy thing or whatever and for whatever reason i was just talking to my friend about this it's very trendy yeah well be country right now i don't understand it but you see it everywhere well

there was uh the reason i the real reason i asked you is because there's a article in the new york times called y'all the most inclusive of all pronouns the south's default collective form of address is the best of the american vernacular and i don't know anything about the writer. Who's the writer? Maude Newton. That name familiar? It's a hell of a name. I guess their first book is called Ancestor Trouble. But what I think is interesting is why and how y'all became the site of conflict for so much discourse. It became the object around all of this discourse began.

It's very strange. Like, this article, for example. The way it starts out is it starts out by talking about, the writer grew up in Miami to, like, a racist father. And, like, the racist father used the term y'all a lot and so they ascribed racist connotations and intentions to the word y'all but then they moved out of the south and moved up north and started finding other people using the word y'all this article is literally about seven paragraphs it's like 700 word count and then they became more open-minded

about the word y'all and then they came around to the word y'all to accept it as a normal part of their it's like a store it's a journey of self discovery kind of like what we're doing right now it's self discovery and self reflection and I think that's a beautiful thing honestly what's mod got to say about it they said my assumptions about y'all were muddled

at best its origins were mysterious while the term could have originated with scots irish immigrants there are reasons to suspect... Hell yeah, baby! Though a Southern term, it's emblematic of the messiness and heterogeneity of American English, a language both inspiringly polyglot and marked by an ugly history.

Of course, I didn't know any of that. My resistance to y'all began to fade only in my mid-20s when i lived in tallahassee after law school okay so they moved north from miami to tallahassee you know that'll that might do it um but then um yeah miami not really a y'all hot bed necessarily it's more like the capital of latin america but definitely a little rednecky my dad's from miami like it it parts but yeah it's more of a yeah north florida central florida yeah caribbean yeah um when i eventually moved to brooklyn i was relieved to live in a place where no one tried to carry my bag at the end of the

work day and the civil war monuments i passed honored the union rather than the confederacy i reverted to the you guys of my youth conforming to dominant new york new yorker ways but it wasn't a satisfying linguistic homecoming i'd expected um living in the city meanwhile upended all my conceptions about what my ancestors preferred collective form of address meant far from from being a niche southern phrase, it already had a home here. I might not hear it much in the Brooklyn neighborhoods where I've lived, but it resounded in Bed-Stuy shops. Anyways, you know, that's really literally it.

And then it says, and so on a bitterly cold night at my local dog run with some friends, I worked up the nerve to say it. As the word left my mouth, I worried I sounded like a caricature of the south one i've discovered lives in my own head just as it does the heads of southerners or northerners but my friends took it in stride true they haven't started using y'all yet but i'll keep evangelizing for this idiom that welcomes anyone who finds a home in it um i you know uh it's just strange in eastern kentucky y'all is not a word i mean right i mean

i don't that's the that's the interesting thing about the scots-irish sort of origin myth is like that's mostly this people that colonize like you know eastern kentucky and southeast tennessee southwest virginia southwest tennessee southwest virginia and it's not really was never really part in southeast Tennessee, southwest Virginia. Southwest Tennessee, southwest Virginia. And it's not really, it was never really part of the vernacular. It's kind of like, even when I say it, it's a bit of an affectation, I think, because I didn't really grow up with that.

I grew up with just like, you all. You all. Yeah, it was you all. You know. Right. Whereas, you know, my friends from a little further south would definitely say it, you know. Well. Which is interesting that like, I'm just saying it's interesting that like the whole

appalachian scene has sort of ran with it as like a you know a liberating cause celebrate or whatever you know it's it's it's weird yeah but that is the same thing that i'm talking about it's it's it's trendy now it's a trendy word. It is. It's always a little bit weird when you see people, you know, write a word that you know they wouldn't say. And so I think even like two years ago, I picked up on that with the y'all. You know, I'm like, you're from Michigan. Right. But I also think it's really funny in that article that they liken someone

carrying your bag for you at the end of a long work day to a confederate monument because those are the same yeah two two very similar experiences yeah yeah well and i really like that the climax is like am i gonna say it am i gonna say it like and then it you know it lets it fly yeah yeah you know what i do wonder though because i've been thinking about how do you like sort of think about all these things together like like does the proliferation of y'all have to do with the sec having these like massive tv contracts you know and like the ascendancy of like dr pepper and duke's mayonnaise you know what i mean like what does how does all this stuff related like is it and is there some sort of sinister undertone to it you know what i

mean like how far away are we from like sort, sort of a, you know, some sort of, like, plantation cosplay stuff sort of being in the mail? I don't know. Are you alleging a y'all conspiracy? Is there a y'all conspiracy? I'm just saying that, like, I think we have to be careful with all that stuff. I think that there's some stuff that's interesting and worth celebrating about Southern culture and everything that comes along with that. about Southern culture and everything that comes along with that.

But also, when it's, I feel like it can be, it's not necessarily divorced from its ugly past, because I think, like, you know, people like, you know, we've talked about this a little bit on the show, with, like, the sort of bitter Southerner, like, sort of, you know, college football and Coca-Cola-fication with peanuts of like American culture. I think that there's always this sort of like nice liberal intent that says, you know, we're going to carry on the traditions of the Geechee people of the South Carolina Low Country. Right? We're going to keep these heirloom seeds in rotation

and we're going to serve them at these restaurants and all this stuff. But what they don't tell you about all those James Beard award winning high tone southern restaurants is the descendants of the Geisha people are the ones washing dishes for seven bucks an hour. You know what I mean?

Where's their James Beard award yeah that's what i don't like about it is like why does like all this stuff that's worth talking about that's really interesting have to be mediated through a sort of uh you know celebrity chefs at like restaurants that are like prohibitively expensive for like normal ass people to eat at and and i'm a hypocrite too because i love the husks and all the, you know, the Sean Brock restaurants and all that shit, too. But, I mean, it's worth mentioning. Yeah.

I just think it's very fascinating that, again, I guess, is y'all a pronoun? Yeah, I guess it would be. I mean, it is interesting. I mean, it makes sense it is rational seeing as how like pronouns are this thing that's in the discourse that like conservatives

want to talk about apparently but there are also all kinds of other like there is you all like you said there's yins and stuff it's just weird that y'all has become the sort of pivot around which all that discourse occurs well i think what tom's saying about it being overly

romanticized because it uh influential cool innovative people or at least who a certain group thinks are innovative and cool like the minute that that the stuff's adopted by them then people want to get on the train of it and it's it's funny that it's a word that uh we're talking about getting on the train of but yeah i mean regardless not a cause or like a one like six years ago would you have heard this no all right i think what's funny for me is the the speed at which things flip from like i'm gonna make fun of you for this to to cool and it's an inclusive pronoun because uh terence you're not from kentucky you're from um texas or yeah new mexico yeah okay have you ever been to florence in northern kentucky i've not well i've seen i've seen let me tell you a story about florence okay when my mom was i don't know i

forget maybe in college maybe in high school or whatever there's a water tower in florence and they put on it florence mall because there's a mall right there oh and wow then the city was like you know what you can't do that that's advertising um this needs to be a neutral you know wording whatever so they change it to florence y'all and back then that was the the funniest tackiest like people could not believe it people hated it it's controversial it's a scandal yeah it's it it genuinely was like people were like this is tacky we're being a stereotype I can't remember my mom saying that now she thinks it's funny but now Florence has a a baseball team like I don't know what degree minor baseball team, and they are the Florence Yalls.

So that just shows you, like, it went full circle. Now everyone is embracing it, you know? So it's just interesting that it's something that was so, I don't want to say the word offensive, but it was, I don't know necessarily if it was embraced. It was kind of like a Hooters t-shirt. It's like, you know, delightfully tacky yet unrefined. Yes. It makes me. I think that's true.

I think you probably, you went to UofL, right? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you probably experienced some degree of this. I would say we're probably close to the same age. But, like, when I was, and i've said this on the show before but when i was in college like if i met somebody from florence or you know they went to highlands or somewhere they would always say oh i'm from cincinnati but then when it became cool to be like a you know a dainty southern bell or like you know a rough rough hewn uh you know southern boy or whatever they were from kentucky again that probably happens like

you know toward the end of my third senior year or something like that but uh yeah yeah it's it's that's interesting when did that when did they put florence y'all on the water tower do you remember i don't know i i think my mom my mom always told me the story as if it happened when she was in college, but maybe that's not true. Okay, so it's been a while. Or maybe that's just me misremembering it. I'm not sure. But for me, the Cincinnati thing is still true.

My friends who are from Northern Kentucky, although I think maybe now more than ever it's a clarification thing. So when we're in L.A., if I had friends who are from northern Kentucky, they'd say Cincinnati because it's like if you're from Chicago and – Well, that makes sense. But you're actually from two hours away. Yeah, but I don't – I know what you're talking about. I've seen that too.

For me, like I'll say I'm from Kentucky. I mostly grew up in Indiana in truly the middle of nowhere. And I would say Kentucky, and I still do because my whole family is from here. I went to school here. Like, I've lived here a long time because I just didn't want to be from Indiana because that small town was like, oh. Where did you grow up at? Rising Sun, oh. Where'd you grow up at? Like Floyd's Nobs?

Rising Sun, Indiana. It is the thing that always gets a big laugh out of the L.A. crowd is that I tell them that there are literally more cows than people in Rising Sun, Indiana. And we had one four-way stop sign. Okay, so you're out there. Well, where I'm going with this is that it seems like, it kind of feels like articles like this are sort of supposed to be

a kind of like culture jamming thing. Like I think, and I don't disagree with, I don't feel one way or the other about this, but it feels very much like they're trying to, by calling it like a kind of gender neutral thing, right? They are trying to ascribe a political substance or content to it. Again, I don't feel one way or the other about that, like language is language and people are going to use it, whatever. that like language is language and people are going to use it, whatever. But I can see a scenario where in the future,

Republicans, like conservatives in the South, start picking up on that and they don't want to use that word anymore. So they're going to start like, they're going to have to start consciously changing their own vernacular and going out of their way to not say it. Yeah, Lindsey Graham's going to sound real weird saying you all. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know.

It's an interesting development. Well, okay, so the next thing I wanted to move on to, this was something we talked about on a few episodes we had not followed up on, and I think the audience deserves an update on this, on these brave men. This is the story about, this has been like, the thing is, this has been over-memed.

It's been memed to death, and people don't want to talk about it anymore because they've already given up on the true fight, on the true faith and the cause. But I'm not giving up on these guys. Like, this is my cause celeb. This is the weights and walleyes guys, like the cheating fishermen. So there is a – I don't know if y'all saw this, but they were charged with cheating. Like, that is a crime.

You can actually be charged with cheating, apparently. In the law? Like, by the law? By the law. They're charged with cheating? Or is this, like, by the laws of, like, the Northern Ohio Anglers Association? Or are you talking about, like, the state of Ohio, actually? I think it was the Ohio Department of Natural Resources.

They charged them with felony charges of cheating, attempted grand theft, possessing criminal tools, and misdemeanor charges of unlawfully owning wild animals. Those are some heavy-ass charges. A, okay, I didn't know you could get hit with a cheating charge. B- How do they unlawfully own wild animals? The walleyes that they cut up to put inside the...

Probably, right? Because they had them and they fed them and they got them real fat before, right? And then they put them back. Maybe those fish were illegal fish. And then also, I didn't know you could be charged with possessing criminal tools what is a criminal tool that not an ak-47 i'll tell you that that's totally fine

um that's so funny because like you even when uh all of the basketball uh college basketball fbi charges came down like cheating was obviously nowhere in there that they could never it was like wire fraud you know that kind of stuff like defrauding american taxpayers i think was like what they were hanging it all on but me too like i was like what is so punitive about this and also it's always went on you know when i was at morehead we, we paid kids during their visits. We'd give them like $5,000, $6,000 and take them to Buffalo Wild Wings and shit for a commitment. That happened at the lowest rungs of the Ohio Valley Conference. So God only knows what Cal and the boys were doing.

Right. Well, the best part about this story the absolute best part like my dudes are continuing to fight the good fight they have pleaded not guilty they've like it's on camera it's like they're caught on camera they're like no no you got me fucked up i I love that. He's like, no, no, we're fucking innocent. See, what had happened is somebody else came and fattened those fish up, and we just happened to catch the fattened up fish. Uh-huh. So, I don't know.

You know? Yeah. You know, I just thought it's topical. It's good. It's, you know, like no one. But like I said, everybody's given up on them. Defiant in the face of being dead to rights.

I love that. It's the Tom Sexton method. Just deny, deny, deny. That's what my lawyer, Daniel Dotson, said one time. He said he had a paternity case with this couple. case with this couple and he said that um you know um he had had the guy in there and like they got the paternity results back and the wife the guy's wife was like really mad at him for like cheating on her and all this stuff and paternity results came back 0.0000000012345% chance that you're the father of this child. And like his wife, he'd already confessed to his wife his infidelity and all that stuff.

And she was like smacking him in the head. And Daniel says, man, let me just talk to my client for a second. He dispensed the eternal wisdom to his client that day. the eternal wisdom to his client that day and it was sir listen i don't care what circumstances i don't care if she walked in on you doing it but i gotta tell her you were sleepwalking it wasn't me exactly there's a song written about this this is true yes deny till you die is the time testing strategy i didn't know that paternity test i thought it was just like a yes or no i didn't know it was a you can be like a zero zero zero point two i thought that was weird too it's like there's like a minuscule chance you could still be

like the father i guess that's why we're all you know we're all cousins or whatever right right or why we're all related to Genghis Khan. Isn't half the world descendant of Genghis Khan? Every person alive today is a direct blood descendant of Genghis Khan, Nefertiti, and Confucius. Could you imagine if he had

been alive during the scientific technology of paternity tests? That would be his whole job he would just be fielding oh yeah he wouldn't have time to pillage and plunder he would just be sweating those paternity suits all the time what are what's that thing where you put you do the dna and it's you know i'm talking about 23 and me or something 23 and me yeah imagine it's 23 and me right gosh well he's not good enough for everyone else right yeah you're right um okay gang is con just swearing down he's like part cherokee

um all right so this is the last story I wanted to cover today. The real meat of this episode, why we wanted to have you on, Haley. This is a story about, it's about many people, but ultimately it's about John Calipari. Ultimately, there are many characters in this story, but it is about one man and his quest for his own identity, for his own lineage and genealogy. So it all started, there's a story in the New York Times. They have like a sports magazine now, I think.

It's called The Athletic. The Athletic was an independent sports publication, and they worked by a subscription model. So they had a bunch of investors, and they basically banked on the fact that one day that they would either become profitable from subscriptions or get bought, and they got bought by The New York Times last year. I see.

Okay. I think Kyle Tucker writes for The Athletic, right? from subscriptions or get bought and they got bought by the new york times last year i see okay okay that's yeah i had occasion i think kyle tucker that's for the athletic right i think yes and he's the one who wrote this article he's the one that yeah okay okay um so this this story is about um this guy this guy in pike county kentucky He is a coal miner. And he went to, I guess, let's see, the Kentucky's Blue White Scrimmage in Pikeville. And I guess he had like set in the front row. This is kind of an interesting story because like when I saw it, it kind of had like a predictive programming aspect to it.

It kind of felt like a meme come to life in a way. Like a boomer. This is like a real felt like a meme come to life in a way like a boomer this is like a real life boomer meme come to life and plenty of boomers were actually posting it like it came across i think even my mom sent it to me like look at this some real american hero well it's it also kind of calls back a bit to what we were talking about about the y'all culture for sure too it's like the university of kentucky athletics is like a late adopter of y'all culture but now they're catching up this season cal himself is also you know catching up um and uh and so yeah this this coal miner he had gone to the game um like covered in coal dust and sat in the front row with his kid

and someone snapped a photo of it which i think is kind of like bad taste anyway like i i don't know i feel like my hard line on posting like you post anything but i i just i hate it when people take photos of other people and they're like check this out um but uh anyways like this this photo went viral of this coal miner sitting in the you know front row with his kid and um and then i guess eventually coach cal saw it and his heart was warmed like he he he saw it and he was like that is what is the essence of what i'm trying to do at the university of kentucky um so he called the definitely the essence of what cal's trying to do at the university of kentucky for sure 1000 percent um he called the guy's wife he didn't call the guy he called the guy's wife which i'm a little

like i mean he got called the boss buddy he know that um but uh you know he he he slid into this guy's wife's dms and was like yo i saw your i saw your mans at the game. And then I think that she, like, or he offered the family, like, free tickets, right? To the game? To a game of their choice. Okay, to a game of their choice. So this is what Cal said. Cal Perry said on Tuesday that when he saw the picture of McGuire, the coal miner, he said, quote, it hit me right between the eyes.

We know the power of basketball in our state. He wanted to be there so bad that he was willing to leave without showering. So, like, I got to stop him right there. Like, okay. If that's your criteria for being a hero. I could also tell Cal's not spent a ton of time in the coal-bearing counties. Or just with anybody. I mean, I'm a hero.

I've gone to plenty of games without showering. Like, where the fuck are my- I smell bad right now, coach. So, you know, Cal said, you're bringing light to a good man, hard-working kentucky and a coal miner who does everything to care for his family but this is the part that was um interesting let's see if i can find this part about um he called the the guy's wife they spoke for about half an hour calipari sharing how his own grandfather was a coal miner he said he passed cal before cal was

old enough to experience any of that but said i wanted to know what i came from so he actually went into a mine with the crew i didn't know that calipari went into a coal mine the calipari the classic calipari in the coma this is a like team coaches always look for something to make a metaphor to inspire their players. But yeah, this was a this is a Calipari one. That is a very interesting metaphor. Right. Usually they pick the military.

Usually they go straight Coach K. But you've got a couple of archetypes. You've got like the military guy, Coach K. Uh-huh. Religion coach, Dabo. Yeah. guy coach k uh-huh religion coach dabbo yeah the combination religion military which is like your gym harbaugh uh-huh and you've got coach cal who you who actually has trust me i know i worked at a louisville radio station in college so many metaphors for everything well this team's a train this is you know i mean i had to sift through that shit my favorite my favorite this isn't socialism

and he well yeah socialism i'm like sir you ran a platoon system what do you mean this isn't socialism and then also he said um what was he saying he said communism about something but wasn't playing time about when he uh he wanted the he said they should be able to get loans so he was on the right path he's like these players should be able to get loans. So he was on the right path. He's like, these players should be able to get loans, but this isn't communism. Not everyone can get a loan. I love when he said that.

I don't know if there's anything more socialist than being a former UK basketball player where the worst thing that's going to happen to you is somebody's just going to pay you way more money than they should to sell cars. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Don Jacobs, huh?

Right. I also like the association with loans and communism. That hallmark of communism, loans. Yeah, exactly. I love how he said it, too, because it's how he says a lot of stuff. The communism one was like, well, guess what? It's not communism. He'll always do that, well, guess what? It's not communism. He'll always do that.

Well, guess what? It's not socialism. But yeah, he, the archetypes, he doesn't fit any of those definitely. I don't think he's, he's definitely not a military guy. There's also the misplaced anger guy.

Who would that? Like, that's like Nick Saban, where he's just mad as fuck all the time. But also I would argue that's Coach K. But Cal is like, I'm the cool dad. You know what I mean? That's him. He is.

There's also like the grooming guy, Jim Jordan. That guy was like a coach. A wrestling coach. Unless we forget the groom There's levels of dads There's the cool dad There's the grooming Maybe you shouldn't look into this as a father figure dad

And then there's the I am the This is actually probably the majority of coaches in college Which is like The father figure Is how they see themselves And it's any coach who gets a little bit too comfortable talking about how he took these players out of their situations right but

yeah cal's the cool dad so um he finds metaphors everywhere but i i do remember the coal mining thing um because he also said he he wasn't sure at the time what coal mine it was but then he's also said that he went into the coal mine that he his his grandpa worked in and he said it i read this this article uh when tom sent it and he i mean you know it's just kind of like word vomit when you're having press conferences when you read the actual transcripts they don't necessarily make sense but he's talking about something totally different and then he comes back and he's like, you know, my grandpa, like I went in the mines. And then he starts talking about something different. So I think he's proud of, you know, he's proud of his heritage.

Yeah. Well, the connective tissue, too, between like I would say Cal's analog in football is Nick Saban. And they're both the grandsons of West Virginia coal miners. And I think both Italian. Maybe Saban's And they're both the grandsons of West Virginia coal miners. And I think both Italian. Maybe Saban's like Serbian or something. Saban, okay, I was going to say, it could be like Sabini or something. It could be that.

Sabini. Or it could be like Manchin, like one of those anglicized Italian names too. Are you taking that basically, are you like just from recruits? Or are you saying personality-wise you think that they are? No, not personality wise they're way different i think i think i would say that like you know college basketball

it would be like a two-horse race between kentucky and duke one might say coach k one might also be diluted but one might say coach k would be nick saban's analog in college basketball and you know there's an argument to be made there. This is my podcast, David. Where's Bobby Knight fall in? That's, you know, he moved to Lubbock, which is where I was born. And I always respected that. I was like, anybody who would willingly move here?

He's very high in the misplaced anger category. He's probably the, yeah. The patron saint. The first, yeah. The patron saint. The first. Yeah, the patron saint. Yeah, exactly. But also mixed with military guy, too, a little bit. That's why they call him the general, right?

I didn't, yeah. I guess I didn't really know that much about him. It's just the clips of him throwing shit in the stories and stuff. That's so tight. Just throwing shit. Nick Saban's Italian? Maybe. Could be Serbian. I think i think he's i'm not

going to not an italian son of a bitch let me see isn't that what they said who said that about cal oh uh uh john chaney little temple coach let's see what nick saban's let's see what nick saban's yeah i i do like that calipari does seem to imply that he is ethically or ethnically coal miner he's like you know i'm italian but my true heritage is coal mining that is uh i also like him saying like i didn't know what coal mining is it's like it's pretty self-explanatory man you just get the rock from the ground okay we're we're all off saban is croatian uh so not not that far off if from the serbian thing let's do yeah um well i i don't know i think this is kind of dangerous i think cal is kind of walking a I think Cal's kind of walking a dangerous line here

because, I mean, I feel like I could easily see a situation... Well, first of all, he's setting a precedent, right? Like, whoever comes after Cal is going to have to also be, like, a sixth-generation coal miner. It's going to be a job requirement, like, when they post a job on Indeed.com. Nick Saban's going to be the only callback candidate. But second of all, I feel like this kind of invites,

if I'm looking at this as a UK fan, which I'm not, I'm a Hilltopper, right? So my mind's not working in that direction. Mid-major guy. Right, but if I'm looking at this as a UK fan, I feel like rationally, all you got to do to get some free tickets is go to a game dressed as like your profession and sitting in the front row and i mean you you could have hordes of people like you could have chefs or like chimney sweeps they're going to be covered in soot

chefs or like chimney sweeps they're gonna be covered in soot they'll have the like the thing with them i think some kind of of material coverage is necessary for them to deem it blue collar i'm not saying it's true but if you're a chef and you go in there and you're not covered in food i don't know if they're gonna like spaghetti sauce yeah spaghetti yeah exactly content creators we like talk and there's like the little digital artifacts of Zoom comes out. It's all over us. Scars of industry. Or like you could have like the bomb from Looney Tunes blow up in your face and that would put black soot on your face. Did you all have a problem with the soot?

Them saying soot? It's like not technically. When you come out of a cold, it's a minus. It's cold, yeah. Right. I didn't know if you guys had a problem. I saw on the internet I had a big problem with that. They did?

There was discourse around soot? Well, like a subsection. Yeah, they were like, it's not so were like it's not so it's cold that's awesome yeah get it straight i love meaningless yeah he did he's the one who put it and i was like wow that's very interesting cow's the one who put you from here or the writer yeah oh but it wouldn't surprise me with cow um i think and and I'm sorry to say this, Tom, but Terrence, maybe you can give him more. God, getting ganged up on that. Does him kind of pandering to bringing up the past,

you know, I'm connected to you guys, like I've always been this way. Is Cal not a little y'all starry in this moment? He definitely is, and I have a theory as to why he is. Okay. Because otherwise people won't shut the fuck up about firing him? Well, I think that's part of it, but here's what I think, too. I mean, we've laid two eggs in a row, right?

We had the disastrous nine-win season, then bookended with last year getting beat out in the first round embarrassingly and i think really what a lot of this is is there was a shift with everybody like loving cal and all this stuff i mean there's a lot of people and this probably happened to patino too for a lot of the same reasons. Slick-talking Italian Northeasterner, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Son of a bitch. But as long as they're winning, you know, making Final Fours, winning titles, hanging banners, whatever, it's all good. But I think really what the switch happened is, and I'm not saying that everybody from, he likes to say from Paducah to Pikeville is just like casually racist.

But I think there's a lot of people that haven't forgiven him for letting the nine win bad team take the knee after the George Floyd protests. Yeah. That's when a lot of the anti-cow rhetoric really ramped up big time all over the state. So is that why he's doing his? I think it's part of it. I think part of it is he's never been truly able to like get that sort of, you know, the thin blue line guys back in the fold and all that kind of stuff.

Cause you know, everybody knows, and I'm sure Haley knows there's like two types of UK fans. You have the, like, we got to give the boys a chance. Then we have like the hyper negative UK fans that nothing's ever good enough for. And I'm sure Haley knows. There's like two types of UK fans. You have the like, we got to give the boys a chance. Then we have like the hyper negative UK fans that nothing's ever good enough for. And I'm rebranding this year as a hyper negative UK fan.

Wow. We're going to win 40 games or something. I'm just going to be saying it's not good enough for me. So I think a lot of this has to do with trying to bring those people back in the fold, especially after like, you know, he's made all kinds of brain-dead stuff, like the little joke that went viral about him losing his Rolex before the game. The white, lucky Rolex. Right.

Oh, yeah, that's relatable. Yeah, I'm like, give it to them. Literally let them have it. What the hell? Let them break it up. You're the highest paid public employee in the state of kentucky you coach a game yeah you know and then like that's you know like oh that's what i'm gonna that's how that's how i'm gonna relate to you know one of the

poorest states in the country i'm going to tell them i lost my 25 000 watch and my couch cushion yeah the the hilltopper fan base we have a uh we ours is a diverse um coalition of many different types of fans there's at least 20 or 22 different hilltopper types of fans so some are at the top some are in the middle that's right on the bottom of the hill yeah yeah that's a division there i think what's interesting is like UK as a whole too has, I don't know. I just don't, again, like this is from an outside, definitely biased perspective,

but the idea of it being like the, we embody the blue collar, you know, people with our like, uh, university and the mentality of our university and how it fits, um, is interesting because you've got the little gestures like the, you also, do you still use the, uh, whistle on the third down? Yeah, yeah, the cold whistle. Yeah, the cold whistle. But then there's also just like literally right in front of you, isn't the workout center called the Joe Craft Center? Yeah, the Joe Craft Center,

who is one of the biggest coal barons in the country. Yeah, exactly. So it's not like there's not ties, but I don't know if it necessarily has ever felt like an embodiment. Sorry, what were you going to say, Terrence? I was going to say I think he was also responsible for that massive fucking hole in the middle of Lexington. Wasn't he, Tom?

Isn't that Joe Cran? Well, that was the Webb brothers who are from Wattsburg. And who we refer to as the Webb brothers, even though one of them died 40 years ago. Still a unit. He lives on. Right, yeah. But yeah, I think all this.

And two, the other thing that kind of drives me nuts about the whole, like, he's covered in dust or or soot for the uninitiated uh is back before you really had the war on coal rhetoric ramp up where you saw the black license plates all over the state you know like coal keeps the lights on friends call all this stuff back in whitesburg if you were to go to children's oil company bp after a shift they would ask you to leave if you were covered in coal dust like go home and shower and come back there were signs on the door you know what i mean fast forward 10 years ago when it's like politically expedient to bring all these people into your coalition for the right wingers it's oh no this is like

it's like kind of like what cal's doing oh this is in this amazing he didn't even have time to go home and shower and people forget that people forget that like for the longest time like coal miners were looked at as like well you know they they are the peons that we think they are and blah blah blah blah and now it's like there's like this like valorization of them that kind of reaches you know in some ways like you know military status kind of or something like that yeah 100 well and it's also interesting because when you look at the relationship today i don't necessarily know that if if you're from what's the right way to say this? If you're trying to show, hey, I embrace this,

I don't know that you're necessarily doing it the right way. Like when you sent me that, I Googled, I just tried to Google it on a different, I ran out of my New York Times. Free articles, yeah. You know, monthly free articles. So I tried to Google it a different way to like find, know an alternative and what came up was the the a recap of the big blue caravan where they like tour they go tour around

kentucky sometimes the basketball team and there's a picture on this one because i just thought it was interesting it like came up under coal mine and uh it had some guys who were coaches or something from the team like in ties going down in the mine and saying stuff like this was a once in a lifetime opportunity oh you go to the comments and they're like once in a lifetime this is my fucking life you know and so all the comments are are upset and they're like uh like oh and you guys visit a hospital next good like those are the two places you need to go then so it i don't know necessarily if like them embracing it um is really the way it's a it's a thin line between embracing the fact that that somebody is is working hard and um probably has to do this job or you know it's just the job that he has right now and like

actually embracing what it does to them or the role it plays yeah right yeah totally and a lot of it is like not necessarily pandering to the coal miners although I mean there's sort of a political component to that but a lot of it is just the long-standing tradition of UK basketball coaches pandering to the coal bosses I know when when you had asked me to call them Spencers, that's a story I've told on this show before. Like back in the day, like all these cold bosses, in my case, P.M. Hogg from Wattsburg would have, you know, Sam Bowie, Mel Turpin, a lot of these guys in the 80s and stuff, come and do these little bullshit jobs,

you know, basically so they could kind of show them off to their, like, you know, coal-bearing buddies or whatever. But part of it was, like, a way that at the time they could put money in these kids' pockets without, you know, drawing the eye of the NCAA. And this has never really even been brought up, and I confess up front, it's possibly apocryphal. But Sam Bowie being the biggest bust in NBA history may have to do with getting injured in PM Hogg's coal mine when they were riding a three-wheeler and it flipped

and Dinner Bell Mel Turpin fell on his leg. I mean, he literally did fall out almost immediately because of leg issues. Yeah. Yeah, and maintains to this day that he never uh like just disclosed any information from the blazers which is not really something that someone was accusing him of doing so right and also like you'd think a team doctor would pick up on that too or something but maybe 80s nba they didn't really vet on that time the wild time everyone was coked out. I don't know. Yeah. The whole story, though, it is interesting just in terms of, like, you know, the coal industry, even though it's sort of, like, on the wane

and sort of on its last legs, still has, like, a wholesale sponsorship of the U.K. basketball team. And, you know, maybe that will change in the not-too-distant future. It's like, you know, the Joe Craft Center is sort of, to hear Cal and all his buddies tell it, is like out of date and basically, you know, derelict or whatever you want to say it is. And, like, they need all these new facilities and whatever, whatever. And I don't know.

Maybe these guys don't really have the coffers to – you know, or maybe one of Cal's, you know, he'll never let you forget 27 guys he's put in the NBA since he's been there can put the bill for it or something. Right. I don't know. Maybe it'll be called the, you know, the Devin Booker, Carl Towns, Cole Lodge before it's all said and done. Not the Anthony Davis one. Not at this rate. No, no. I don't know, maybe it'll be called the Davin Booker Carl Townes Co-Lodge.

Not the Anthony Davis one, not at this rate. No, no. You need to set a screen, dude. I'm still trying to think of professions that might get me free tickets. But that would also galvanize, like you could dress up as a russian soldier and they might actually think you're ukrainian and i don't know what the bit would be ukrainian is a better bet man just you wrap yourself in the flag and be like i came straight i came straight from there. I came straight from the war. I am the ghost of Kiev.

Come on, son. Right up here to the box. You could do like in medieval times when they put you in the, what do they call that thing, the stock or whatever? You could do that. Yeah, the guillotine. It's like the- No, wait. The guillotine was-

When they cut your head off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The stocks is when they throw tomatoes head off yeah like the stocks is when they throw tomatoes they throw tomatoes okay so not as high stakes yeah i you could do that floor side you could be like that that's a hard-working man right there he's a hard came from the town square i don't even have time to shower look at him he's been publicly disgraced come on son have some free refereeing ice cream. Somebody's just standing there feeding it to you.

You can be tarred and feathered. Look like Joe Pesci on Home Alone. Like, there we go. I'm just having this mental image of coming into the Trillbillies office and kind of catching a peek in the back. And I just see, like, red fuzz in the back. I'm like, what the fuck was that? And I go back there and it's Terrence

and like the red grimace WKU like mascot. He's like, wait a minute, it's not what it looks like. Just so shamed that he's actually the Hilltopper. Uh-huh. I want to go to the game as the hilltopper mascot you know what i'm saying like i'm a hard-working man like i work as the hilltoppers mascot i'm a uk fan but my job is the hilltopper mascot i'm a top all right yeah talk about like changing narratives like the y'all and stuff.

I bet the Hilltoppers were not ready for top and bottom to become. No. Used so often in pop culture. But I hope they take advantage of it. They should. I think they should embrace it. Not like in a fun like we're all LGBTQ friendly way. I hope they're like we only support tops here.

You cannot be a bottom and be a fan of the Hilltoppers. That's the thing. Earlier I said there are many different types of Hilltoppers fans. I was lying. There really are only two types of Hilltoppers fans. There's the tops, but then there's the insurgent bottoms. And they're like, they're negative about it,

but they're like, we're going to take this shit over. Yeah, one night a year they do bottoms night and everybody's the hill bottoms you know they bring the pride flag out and all that stuff yeah yeah all right well Haley thanks so much for joining

us today you get y'all have anything else you would like to put into the thing you know stew we just a Venmo or CashF link for the unemployed among us. Actually, yeah. My Venmo is at Haley or something.

Also Twitter, right? It's also your Twitter handle. Yeah. I made that when I was in seventh grade and I just figured no one would be able to find me if I was at O'Shaughnessy I just want when

they go to that game he gives them tickets because I think they said Tennessee, UK which is a while away that's like when do you guys do conference? late January I really hope that Cal and him get a picture together When do you guys do a conference? Conference play late January. Late January, February.

I really hope that Cal and him get a picture together and someone can caption it, we dug coal together. Oh my God. That's all I want out of this experience. Oh shit. Hell yeah. Yeah. All right. Also, I think you guys should title this one

My Granddaddy Worked in the Van Leer Coal Mine. Well, that's the thing. Cal is the coal miner's great-great-great-great-grandson. He is the Loretta Lynn. That's the thing. You were talking about types of coaches like he's the loretta lynn that's the thing you were talking about types of coaches he's the loretta lynn right actually there's another one it's the loretta lynn yeah yeah i forgot about got married to like a 55 year old left home became very successful he got saved a fan he married inadvertently saved a black pilot that's actually cal cal did all of that and he just doesn't talk about it

because he's got a really humble lineage. Right, that's right. Totally forgot about that. You know, I will say this about Cal, though, and this is just my little dig on Coach K and everything. It's like, you know, they compare these two guys or whatever, and really a lot is just recruiting success, right? Because, I mean, if we're just being honest, I mean, you know,

Coach K is technically the guy. But one thing that I hate is that, like, Coach K gets to, like, fashion himself as this, like, you know, like great leader of men, you know, and, like, molding great young minds like Corey Maggette, you know and like molding great young minds like cory mcgetty you know and cow's got to be like the you know the slick like you know used car salesman piece of shit by comparison and come on like all these guys have been paying players way before the nil and all that kind of stuff and that's like you know what i mean Like if you've worked in college basketball day or have any proximity to it, you know, like everybody's been cheating for time immemorial, you know,

even before the NIL. So it's like. Right. So why, why punish two honest fishermen in Ohio? Why? I mean. That's where I was going with this. Yeah.

Justice. Justice for them. I think that the one thing that you'll always have that i hope history doesn't rewrite that it's already rewriting a little bit is that nobody ever has fucking liked coach k and before when you watch that dream team document the redeemed team documentary on netflix before he took over the the olympics team there were a lot of people who were like i'm really nervous like he's an asshole no one likes him how's he gonna get these guys to like him how by the way he like brought in a military guy who was injured there we go during

his service and and like d wade was obsessed with It was really interesting to see. Um, cause this was like 2006, 2007, 2008. But, uh, you would always rather be trapped in a car going to Florida with coach Calvin, coach K, even me.

Wow. That's, that's, that's a big, that's a big thing for a cards fan to admit. And we'll just, we'll just, uh, caption that with no context.

Put it out there for everybody to see. Hey, thank you so much for that closing bit of wisdom. All right. Well, yes, thank you, Haley, for coming on this week. Go check out Haley on Twitter, Venmo, and nowhere else. That is. Don't be looking nowhere else.

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