Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 269: Thusin' With the Bois

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

More talk about the rise of fascist terrorism, followed by an article in the MIT Technology Review about the ultra rich and their fascination with longevity Judith Butler article referenced in the episode: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2021/oct/23/judith-butler-gender-ideology-backlash Please support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

It's all right, I just edited it out. Okay, I'm good. All right, I'm good. Did, Aaron, at your high school, did they spank you? No, fortunately not. See, I consider it a good thing. Tammy Collier spanked me and made a bad boy out of me. Made you more rebellious?

Yeah, did you develop a psycho sexual deviant you're like oh a little bit more let me get a little bit more of that yeah getting in trouble as hell too didn't didn't they uh well i mean i guess i guess in the south i guess it wouldn't have been uh because when did they outlaw that didn't they rule that out like uh like a while ago or did that continue on up until like some fucked up shit like the 90s? That's one of those things. Like we were talking slavery last week. That's one of those things that lasted longer than you think it did.

Yeah, like what is it? Like sodomy or something like that being illegal in like Louisiana until like 2006 or some shit? Yeah. Last time LSU won a national championship, I guess sodomy had only been legal about a decade. People were waving sodomy banners in their stands. Celebrating. Oh, damn.

Me and Terrence were just talking. You got a permission slip that you sent home, and your parents could opt in to spanking that ass at school. My mom definitely took the option. I don't know. She was a big proponent of ass spanking. So they could contract out any domestic punishment to the state, corporal punishment?

Yeah. Like a class trip? Well, I remember. you had a permission to live yeah exactly yeah i remember them doing that in elementary school but i'm pretty sure they also did that at high school and could you imagine being like a principal and you get hired in this like conservative-ass town and you're you know maybe you're like a political or maybe even slightly liberal and all these parents want you to beat the shit out of their kids you're like this is high school so these motherfuckers like what they hit like 16 twice as tall as you are you looking up at the motherfucker with the paddleboard or some shit

and over yeah oh what you gonna do with that little bed? Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, shit. Hey, hold on one second, fellas. I fucking cannot find me. Hold on. Shit, hold on to me.

I'm hot. Hold on. Damn, boys. Leaving on. Damn boys. Leaving mid riff. Unbelievable. On my own again. No one beside me. No one to guide me.

Same. On my own again. That's the anthem, man. That's the anthem for me right now. What's happening in your life? Shit, man. Ain't nothing much. You've been abandoned by all your friends and peers. That's right.

Family. Family. Family in Africa. Forsaken you. Forsaken me. Oh, my God. In Ethiopiaopia this man's without a country without a country without a whole what y'all talking about shit talk about world cup talk about the world cup man dude have y'all been watching that shit what about them damn saudis

beating argentines that's that's that's Is that the latest thing people are upset about with the World Cup? I think it's the equivalent of the three of us beating the 96 Bulls. During the flu game or some shit? Yeah, it's just not done. And it's one of those things where it's like

you kind of wish you could be... The Saudi national team is like one of only a handful of underdogs you can't be happy for their triumph. Right. One of my favorite all-time World Cup moments is the 94 World Cup. It was like Italy. Who were they playing? Brazil.

It was Italy and Brazil in the final and it went down to a penalty kick. Like it was tied and they had to do penalty kicks. And Roberto Baggio gets up there. He is one of the greatest players of his day. And

these are penalty kicks right? If you're a good enough player it's pretty easy to make one. But it's also, you know, maybe you can get the yips or something, you can get psyched out. Also a good excuse to just cover your nuts up with the boys. Yeah.

That's kind of fun. They all stand in line and cover their nuts up together. Real bonding. Right. I mean, I think you should be doing that anyways everywhere you go yeah anytime you with your boys yeah you never know when you never know when someone's gonna run what if you know that like trick they played in middle school where like um they would hit you and someone would hit you in the nuts like what if that carried over to adulthood and like you're you're where the hell

you from pal i'm always on guard when the fellas are around to this day like waiting at the bus stop at a bank or some shit oh no bag tag and never went away in certain circles okay interesting well i'm saying like isn't that crazy if that carried into Dota? I'm like, yeah, wild. Yeah, wild. That'd be crazy, right? Well, I mean, like, society at large. Like, if you could be standing in line at the bank and the county magistrate walks by and just, you know. Just kind of how you greet people.

Like, it was part of a greeting. Yeah. But anyways, World Cup final in 1994, and they're lined up, and Roberto Baggio comes up to shoot it in. And like I said, a lot of the times, if you're like an expert player, the only way you're going to miss a PK is if you've got the yips, you get in your own head, or it's just going to get blocked because the goalkeeper is good enough. But Bag gets up there and he shanks it it just it doesn't even go close and the best

part is the the the sports announcer he just goes Baggio no like he he editorialized he editorialized yeah it's like Bajio no yeah oh my god dude that's you know in the other football I guess the equivalent is missing a field goal and one of sports great delights is just when it's all on the shoulders of a kicker or whoever, and it's just one thing to win it all, and then it's just the agony of victory and the ecstasy of defeat. The ecstasy of defeat. That's right. Something I'll never know, because I was only in the sports, like...

Bajano. Bajano. Bajano. Was he Italian? Yeah, he was an Italian sports announcer. Bajano. Bajano. No.

What if he did the hand thing while he was saying it? Bajano. Bajano. Bajano. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, shit. Yeah, I was only ever in the sports that you individually competed. Me too.

Swimming and track. Yeah. And skateboarding. Well, yeah, that's a sport. Yeah, dude. Extreme sport. Extreme. Yeah, bro.

Yeah, dude. I like when they tried to, I don't know if this happened in y'all's small towns, but at one point in the mid-2000s, the urban planners in my small town gave up trying... Well, they didn't give up trying to fight drugs, but what they did in part of their multi... They just let the drugs in? They were like, open up the floodgates for the drugs?

Let's not fight it anymore. Well well we can't resist it anymore let's all do drugs and hobs actually this was part of their multi-front uh offensive against drugs but they opened a skate park because they were like what we'll do is we'll we'll try to accept skateboarding into isolate the drugs into the skate yeah into a cultural norm into the mainstream and then that way it won't be a subculture anymore and people won't be tempted to use drugs uh at the skate park yeah because like because skateboarding was seen as like uh this like subversive rebellious things that kids would do but i mean we were smoking weed at the skate park that probably made yeah that's what we all meant to do drugs i don't know yeah hanging out skateboarding as a kid everybody was like everybody was having risky

sex like 13 that was skateboarding too so it's's like, yeah, yeah. And now skateboarders, bottom line, always going to be cool. Well, I wasn't, I was a poser. I like wore skateboarding shoes, but I didn't. You wore skateboarding shoes?

I thought you were going to say you were, you were a blades man. You're a BMX man. Darren showed, everybody was skateboarding. Darren showed up like moonwalking and pararoving blades. Yeah. Just like doing real smooth moves.

Just doing a dance routine. Yes. Yes. Yeah, damn, man. World. You know, I actually can't roll a blade, man. Like a skateboard, but I can't roll a blade. Really?

No. Something about still being attached to my feet, man. It freaks me out. I want to tell you, the phrase putting somebody on skates as in making them uncomfortable. You want to put me on skates, put me in a pair of actual skates. I don't know what it is. I was invited. I was in college.

I was invited to what's called a date party with this girl one time for her sorority. And it was like a roller skating thing. And I fronted all week like I could roller skate. Like it wasn't a big deal because I was like, how hard could it actually be? You know what I mean?

I was skateboarding a little bit. But it's different. But it's different. We're talking about inline skates or like the four wheels? No, no, like the four wheels no no like the four wheels like four wheels which the four wheels you couldn't do those okay so you oh so you all can man i can't do i mean i definitely can't do inline but i could probably do those though oh well i got skateboards on your feet you know yes no it's not it's not like skateboarding. Like skateboarding, I feel like you're somewhat in control of that, right?

Yeah, yeah. Rollerblading was different. I didn't bother to get there and practice because I thought I was just going to lace them up and be ready to go up there and dazzle them. Yeah, you just got to zoom out. I remember being out there, and I grabbed her arm, and I... Words you never want to hear a woman say to you could you please let go of me you were grabbing on to like I was trying not to fall I was trying to hold her arm

yeah that was the most pathetic I learned a lesson that day never play outside your depth play within yourself always. It's like an interesting psychological thing at work there, Tom. It's like you feel trapped by the rollerblades, whereas you feel more free on the skateboard. It's because you're laced into those individual. Exactly.

I think so. On the skateboard, you can kick it away. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think you should look into yourself and you should figure that shit out you should figure that out there's there's some psychology at work there son yeah in any case yeah it's i've been practicing mindfulness i'm a fucking mindfulness god damn uh like what's the word like greater than a monk. Like, I'm the most mindful. An ascetic.

A guru. Greater than a guru, bitch. I'm like a mind... A god? A Debbie god? I'm god. Like, her to these motherfuckers? There's something I came here to tell you boys today.

I created the sun and the earth. My father is Zeus. Yeah. Yeah, that's right yeah what's your mindfulness practice and what's that got to do with me not being able to rollerblade well you have to live in the moment and so if you are on rollerblades you just have to accept that you're on rollerblades live in a moment of possibly busting your ass live in a moment of possibly busting your ass. Live in the moment of possibly busting your ass. Your own skates, there's precarity, but you just have to keep...

That's right. You accept life on life's terms. That's a good metaphor for life, man. What day we all fall in front of everybody. It's probably mostly bullshit. A lot of these sort of mindfulness... A lot of these um therapeutic meditative practices modalities or whatever they are pushed most heavily by silicon valley startups like i was reading this

because like there's like all kinds of apps. I have several meditation apps on my phone, and they're probably harmless. You know what I mean? It's probably harmless, but there are some out there that are kind of nefarious. There's one called HeartSync. HeartSync. Yeah, I don't know if you've ever run across this one in the wild, but it's made by this guy named mikey siegel who is like an mit guy who he's like a silicon valley startup guy and the whole premise of the app is to get to a point

like he has his own house it's called like consciousness hacking uh co like co-hack it's like cohabitate but co-hack space or something like that okay we where a bunch of hackers live and shit like that well it's not hacking computer it's like consciousness hacking okay so it's a cold yeah it's basically a cold it's it's and and the whole thing of like the heart sink so is like you sync up your breathing and thus your heart rate with millions of other people around the world. And this will have some emergent conscious raising. So this is like supposedly like, you know, like menstrual cycles, like people with menstrual cycles, like living together. They sync up and cycle up and shit.

But this is for mindfulness? It's for mindfulness. Yeah. This is for your mindfulness? Pretty much. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So these for your mindfulness? Pretty much. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So these guys aren't stealing elections. They're stealing your bodily autonomy. Joining it with the greater collect. With the greater league? Yeah. Yeah. You come into contact with all this shit in the recovery world. You know what I mean?

From substance. It's kind of fucked up because obviously like you're in a very vulnerable place when you're in recovery like you need help from others but you're getting shit foisted upon you that uh is going to have some probably more nefarious origins or at least intentions maybe not all the time i'm not not like a blanket. Yeah. I don't know.

That stuff just kind of like, like seems insidious though. Cause it's like all vibes based. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, and it's just like easy to like get in this mode and vibe and like do things and not even understand why you're doing them, especially if you're in a vulnerable spot.

You know what I mean? I don't know. But I mean, Hey man, I could use some mindfulness. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a transcendental meditation guy. I'm trying to tap into Hollywood.

You're trying to tap into the collective subconscious of Hollywood? Of David Lynch. What are they saying there in the collective subconscious of Hollywood? Have you been able to? I've not got to that rung. I think you gotta pay money to get to that. Oh, yeah. So you're on free trial, TM.

The next stage is Yogic Flying, and then after that, I get to make films with David Lynch. Or at least get a job at his foundation. Yogic Flying, huh? Yeah. This guy, this is like a Wired article about this guy mikey siegel and this is

how you know you're in some really like pretty sus territory uh the quote on this i saw spiritual attainment and i thought that does not need to be religious that can be scientific oh man Oh man Well As with a lot of this There's only about three feet of difference Between some of this stuff and magic One alchemy Dude I saw a headline in the Washington Post

Just today AI's new frontier Connecting grieving loved ones with the deceased And it's like That's just seance's like that that's just seance you're just that's magic you're just just magic yeah that is exact it's the exact same thing it's just the technologies are updated well i mean it's like the philosopher's stone type of shit like transmutation you know what i mean like uh it's the idea if you can just uh manipulate

the elements of the world and you can create, you know what I mean? You're right. That's what it's like. It's alchemy. It's alchemy. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. The reason I found out about this Mikey Siegel guy is he's like a big disciple of Barbara Marks Hubbard.

Do you know who she is? Nah. Is that L. Ron Hubbard's niece or granddaughter or something? She has the dubious... She has the dubious two guys on complete opposite ends of something. Dianetics and dialectics

all in her... Well, you know, Dianetics, I'm pretty sure is a... What do they call that? Onomatopoeia or syllogism? What is it called when you mash two words up? Portmanteau. Portmanteau.

I think Dianetics is a portmanteau of. Dialetics and cybernetics? That's exactly what it is, dialectics and cybernetics. Oh, that shit sounds cool as fuck. It sounds right up my alley. That's exactly, that's Aaron aaron thorpes that's my entryway that's the kind of shit he dines out on three weeks later well i have a cult just for you aaron perhaps you've heard of it uh but not barbara marx hubbard was like she was one of

the founders of like transhumanism like futurism she was actually the founder of the idea of futurism and uh and this is where it kind of gets really weird she had a years-long affair with jonas salk you know jonas salk was the penicillin guy the polio vaccine guy polio guy guy, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jonas Salk, and this, you really can't, like, you really can't understand, you really can't understand why the vaccine people are the way they are, because Jonas Salk actually was a eugenicist, pretty much. Like, he was, he was, like, obsessed with population control.

He had a book called Survival of the Wisest. It's like... Oh my god yeah like these these these guys were not good people these were not good people so wait so wait what was there so what would they they had created a what her and the this dude they created what like a religion or some shit like that well barbara marx hubbard is basically the person behind like the human potential movement and like that oh okay in the esalen institute and all that shit i wonder if this is where i've been seeing a lot about this long-termism shit and i do not know well enough to talk about it but i'm wondering if that's connected to it like you know i mean this idea

of like i guess being concerned with like future generations and like but not in a material sort of way i mean it's mostly just a bunch of rich people with these kind of hokey, alchemy, metaphysical ideas about transhumanism and futurism and shit like that. It's kind of the idea behind effective altruism. Yeah. Like you're... It is weird. It's the opposite of mindfulness.

I'll say that much. When you're that obsessed with the future, you got to live in the moment, man. You got to live in the moment, man. It is all inc live in the moment man it is all in the roller skates it's all incoherent because all these people they're in a world where they need to ensure greater profits down the road and the way they do that is through tech but they're using tech to push forward ideas that are profoundly anti-technology. Because technology takes you out of the moment. It takes you, at least social media and these systems of command and control do.

It's all fueled on dopamine. There's that thing about sports gambling in the New York Times this week about how all these universities are now getting money for sports gambling. For sports gambling in the new york times this week about how like all these universities are now getting money for sports gambling for sports gambling it's like it's fucking everywhere what's the worst that could happen yeah oh my god but it's at the same time like they all are also practitioners of that kind of like mindfulness like meditative uh approach to things and so it's there's a tension there is a profound contradiction because like they they have this idea which i mean i guess most people do i mean maybe not nowadays but this idea that the future is going to be better like it just has to be you know i'm saying yeah like because like just this idea of human continuity and longevity

but these people are like are i mean are so i mean i think are suffering from futurelessness and anxiety about the future as much as anybody you know the only difference is that they have all the money and the resources to do some crazy hokey shit that's not gonna fucking work whether it's like space colonization or i don't know like blood transfusions or whatever the fuck peter teal is doing you know yeah that's? Yeah. That's a generous way to put what he's doing. Vaporism. Wasn't, speaking of which, I saw a clip going around Twitter.

It was like, Peter Thiel was like one of the original backers of the effective altruism movement. Yeah, was he? And like now they're trying to distance themselves from him because they're like, oh no, he kind of just spoke at our conference in 2014 and then just kind of went away or whatever man i feel like that dude has his like like peppers his money and resources into everything man yeah i feel like if his philosophy can be summed up in any sort of succinct way,

I would say it's almost the opposite. I mean, because effective altruism is psychopathic, but it's not intentionally psychopathic. It has diluted itself through ideology and through other means of... And idealism and shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Utopianism. Exactly.

It's diluted itself into thinking that it is good for society but peter till is almost the opposite he's like he's a vampire he's like how can i ensure as much evil and destruction over time yeah yo if anything about the whole blood transfuges and shit are true and like it just he's like a i don't know man he's like a i feel like all these tech guys are the most, like, representative of, like, capital in this vampiric state, the way Mark's talked about, you know what I mean? Yeah. With all these industries, so. And that, I guess that tracks with his, whatever the fuck he's doing with that blood shit.

Before we get too far down the road, so do you mean to tell me, if Salk wasn't chasing cult pussy, we might not have as much vaccine skepticism. I think that a lot of the current world... It's like that ancient proverb. I mean, you'll be judged by the ass you chase. I think Jonas Salk is an embodiment of the very real issue of how every aspect of the architecture of the modern world everything from like the medical regimes to the internet and communication and workplace control all this it's all tied together back into the kind of like mistiness of time and that all of these guys were

you know fixated on how to resolve many of the fundamental contradictions of post-war industrial capitalism basically in other words how to keep communism at bay and how to keep workers and bosses on some sort of like copacetic terms and you get cybernetics out of that uh transhumanism and futurism exactly you get all these retrofuturism right right scientology exactly and and and i think that that doesn't mean like i'm not a vaccine skeptic right it doesn't mean that all vaccines are designed to kill you because the guy who made them believed in population control however it's not it's not a it's not an insane thing to think if you follow him a little more closely though well it's just i think it's like it's kind of like how the founder of uh planned parenthood was like a racist, right?

Yeah, yeah. It's like you can, it's not, I mean, it's like, it's like the, it's like the application of the, I mean, I don't want to say idea, but whatever it is, could have very like, I mean, it's neutral, but it could have very harmful effects. Like if it had been carried out to the expectations of the individual, right? Like, you know what i'm saying because i mean they are like i mean what if like he was like all right we're gonna use a virus to get rid of these people instead or to not give these people a virus you know what i mean well that's exactly right i think the thing is is that a lot of these people because they were you know met with this fundamental problem of post-war society of essentially keeping the american workforce under control and insulated from you know creeping communism or

whatever they were increasingly obsessed with how to manage workers and how to manage their ideologies and how they encountered the world like it it's some post-Fordism type of shit? Exactly. And so out of that, you get something like transhumanism, and the attempt to make human beings greater than what they are. I mean, it's just a continuation of the kind of Nazi Ubermensch thing, but under more rationalist.

Oh, post-Fordist, post-World War II world where, I mean, it seems to start where like, well, how can we make workers work faster to like, well, how can you unlock yeah and the thing is is that if you look at all the union victories of the 40s and 50s they i mean they were like the steel workers the mine workers like it was in the boss's interest at that time to build up the health care industry to make medicine widely available and widely effective and that includes vaccines because they wanted a healthy workforce and they wanted a steady one and they wanted access to that workforce that wasn't going to be under threat because this was this was a different time but as those industries gradually started eroding and as the kind of like family unit which was the kind of like heart of it also started eroding you get all of the grotesqueries and shit that you see now like so under that kind of regime of capital accumulation vaccines you know they made a lot of sense they kept they you know just things like vaccine like the medical paradigm

that that all made sense but like now you can see how in the eyes of reactionaries this all becomes proof of a larger plot and this also extends to like the anti-lgbt shit and like the you know what i'm saying like the gender uh yeah well i, because as I said this before, man, I mean, it's not it's not like a novel point necessarily. I'm coming up with. But like, you know, they they seem to have like like it seems like conservatives have a better conception of the future than liberals do. Or even the left, really. Right. Like, I mean, even when someone asked me, what what better world do you imagine?

Right. I mean, I kind of know, but I don't know really how to get there. Right. But it seems like the right they have these likecriptions, and everything is wrapped up in continuity. So whether it's anti-abortion, or whether it's the great replacement shit, or whether it's gender norms and shit, it's literally about for them, like, oh, our way of life is collapsing. Not even just social norms, but physically being able to reproduce, you know? And inoculate those social norms.

And it's terrifying man yeah i'd say that's the that's a big reason why gender is the pivot point around which the whole like right wing psyche turns at this point right like have y'all read that i don't know if judith is judith butler canceled are they are they is she canceled i think they're pretty good by the day them no no did judith did judith butler fuck up what they do i don't know i i don't i i still like judith butler but i read i read judith butler in college and i like i like them well they had an essay in the guardian last year called why is the idea of gender provoking backlash the world over and uh and it's and it's basically i don't know basically gets into you know how fascism is a inherently incoherent movement and that's that's what gives it its power and its force

it's very incoherent and so it's pulling in all of these as you said earlier like diagnoses about like eroding social norms and is exploding them outwards into this extremely like fraught and sort of like you know terroristic these terroristic aims. It's how like when we talked about on the midterm episode, it's like, yeah, DIMS won that, not technically, but they,

they kind of won it like metaphorically. Well, technically they didn't. Apparently they didn't even did it because the GOP has a house now, but that's another story. Right, right. Well,

they, they did better than people thought they were going to do. They did better. They squeaked by, I guess. And the kind of diagnosis. Goddamn moral victory. It was a moral victory, right. And the takeaway was that, like,

maybe it's because the Republicans are kind of in retreat or maybe they freaked people out because they're so weird, and they, whatever. But I don't know, man. It's just like you look at that shooting in Colorado, and I see that as, I mean, I see that as proof that they're getting exactly what they want. Like, it's...

I mean, yeah. Like, they may not be winning in elections, so to speak, but do they even care about that anymore you know what i mean like they've mostly got everything they want out of the electoral realm and judicial realm like do they even care about it anymore you know what i'm saying it's like yeah i mean like i mean i don't know man like i know that in the school boards and shit which they were trying to like get all these candidates that were funded by moms for liberty and shit like that um all these anti-trans groups and shit i mean like they might not have won but

they started the conversation right and they have like they they've started like they've sparked like a battleground you know i'm saying like a battlefield on which communities and shit can contest and shit so it's like they might not have won gotten power but i mean you also deputize people to do this shit, you know? I mean, we've talked about this before, but even if you don't have, like, the state running up in there, you deputize people to be vigilantes, you know? Yeah. So it's like, you extra elite political, you know? Well, yeah, we should do some deputization of our own, which is to say that if you've ever been in the company of, matt walsh or chris rufo or whatever

and you've left thinking damn that was a baby hitler situation next time you find yourself in that situation just know just know i'm not saying you should but just know that you could secure your place in the history books as a hero if you just do the right if you leave a a room with either of those two at the libs of tiktok lady and they have their kneecaps still you've not you've not busted their fucking kneecaps out of their legs and use them like hockey pucks around a room if you've not done that listen listen also you know like if you are a journalist who like has interviewed or talked to any of these people especially the lips of tiktok lady i'm not telling you to like go out

there and you yourself leak her address but maybe you have an obligation to do it you know well maybe you have an obligation leak it somewhere to get to get it around the thing is is it's obviously not fucking illegal to say any of this because they've been fucking doing it for years they do it yeah so go ahead and go chris ruffo if you need i mean seriously that's what they fucking they get out there and they say this shit weekly and then after a shooting they act like oh like it's you know it's uh leftist what was that matt walsh like uh uh thread that the left the left is using the left is using this tragedy for political score political points or some shit like that it's so disgusting it's so stomach churning i mean the thing is man the thing is like that makes it just so grotesque is like

you know it's it's it's obvious like what they're what they want to happen right like they obviously want violence they want people to be killed but like the cowardice right to like back away from it and then continue to say that people are grooming and as if like oh well what did you expect was gonna happen you know like they're very straight up about what they want to happen but then they say oh but the grooming continues then the violence will continue it's like dude fuck you man this is exactly what they did with like tanya and them they literally like published all their fucking info and then give it disseminate it out there to the craziest people on the fucking earth and then just say oh well if something happens you know that's that's none of my business exactly what the fuck i mean it's like these are just

random people in a small community somewhere like you want them to get because like that's part of their fucking goal it's not electoral it's not winning elections it's getting people fucking killed it's literally getting people fucking killed it's terrorism dude i mean and that's the thing about it too is like you know how the fuck is she i mean i don't like i don't know man like i know that this the state like favors like that kind of shit but it's just like how is it how is this person still anonymous you know what I'm saying like the lives of tiktok lady you know what I'm saying yeah how are these people like she gets to say whatever the fuck she wants to do and not even just dox people but I mean tar have people be targeted and then continues

to get to say this shit and nobody knows what she fucking looks like yo you know I mean come the fuck on dog you know what i'm saying like they get to hide behind anonymity while exposing people like average fucking normal fucking people dog um yeah well i mean i recommend reading that judith butler article it's interesting they write like um the anti-gender movement is not a conservative position with a clear set of principles no as a fascist trend it mobilizes a range of rhetorical strategies from across the political spectrum to maximize the fear of infiltration and destruction that comes from a diverse set of economic and social forces it does not strive for consistency

for its incoherence as part of its power. And then they quote that Umberto Eco article on fascism. Oh, whoa, whoa. I love Umberto Eco. You know, I know, we're ratcheting shit up when we're bringing Eco. Taking it up a notch, baby. He writes, the fascist game can be played in many forms for fascism is a collage a beehive of contradiction indeed this perfectly describes the anti-gender ideology today i mean it's kind of confusing because they use anti-gender as the kind of

ideology that motivates most of these far-right groups. Even though they... I see what they're doing. It's like these people say they are for gender, right? Because that's all they ever fucking talk about. Like they're chemically castrating children. They're grooming children and all this. But by saying that, they literally deny the actual reality of gender,

which is that it is a social and legal framework that is constantly under construction. It's not like a mutable form. Which they want to have control over. And, yo, one thing that pisses me off, it's such a, I mean, it makes no sense, really, I guess, pointing out, like, right-wing hypocrisies and contradictions. But this one is, like, glaring, dog. Like, these motherfuckers do not care about kids. You know what I'm saying? Like like their whole project is about saving children but when it comes to like actual social services and education that take care of take care of kids they don't give a fuck i mean matt walsh allegedly is a fucking pedophile a lot of these motherfuckers are

fucking pedophiles they don't give a fuck about kids man yeah sorry you froze it for a second yeah no it's like he literally didn't he have a tweet or something about like breedable 14 year olds orolds or something like that? Yeah, 16-year-olds or some shit like that. It's fucking freaky. No, dude, these people, they worship death in every form. They want to strip everything about humanity away from you.

They want to be able to define it on their terms. These are fundamentally murderous genocidal people. Omnicidal, yeah, omnicidal people. The thing that makes me so angry about it all is that I'll never have a situation to, we got some nice dresses for you to Rufo or Walsh or anything. I know. Like, I would just love to have them come to a holler

where I could get three guys with no goddamn future to do unspeakable things to them before turning them back out to where that they don't even have genitals anymore but just rather a smooth mound like a kid dog yeah yeah yeah that's since they're so obsessed with it we'll just you know you know what nah man that's no disrespect to anybody with a smooth mound that's with a smooth fleshy mound nah but oh some real talk like this is the thing man it's like yo like remember when i mean i know this guy's probably still around right but remember

where richard spencer remember where he got like the shit beat out of him he got knocked the fuck out he has not made public appearances that's what i'm saying that's the thing that pisses me off it's like dog like at the end of the day like these people not only hide behind an anime being deputized people but it's like i don't know how else you deal with this shit besides just force or people just showing out. But if nobody knows who these motherfuckers are and they're hiding behind screens the way all this shit is, it's like the enemy is fucking everywhere, you know? And then when they do show up, when these Proud Boys show up to, like, you know, whether it's state legislatures or they just show up to, like, encounter protests and stuff. They have the fucking cops on their side, man. As we saw with the Colorado shooter, not only was his fucking, what is his grandfather a GOP rep from San Diego? Yeah. But apparently he made a bomb threat to his fucking mom, and it got wiped, and the cops didn't do shit about it, you know?

So it's just like, I mean, at every fucking level, it's like you can't rely on the state. You just got to rely on your community, you know? Another interesting thing is that if you read the New york times there's like a new york times article about that going around about how the person that stopped the shooter was like a vet right it was like a trans it was a trans woman i think and a vet who like stopped a trans woman in a vet yeah and the way that it kind of got like repacked that was one of the wilder things about that the way it kind of got like repackaged and formulated for like mass consumption was that like oh a vet stopped this shooter as if it was that and a vet and a drag performer and not it was actually

because somebody on twitter was like actually it was it was a trans performer. Not, not, like a trans person, sorry, a trans woman. Not a drag performer. To make it, I guess because in the media, when people hear that, they're like, oh, well, all trans people. All trans people and drag queens are the same fucking thing, you know? Like inflating the two, you know what I mean? Right. So even the way that was packaged, you know what I mean? Was transphobic and queerphobic as hell, man.

It was, it was, yeah. But the way that the New York Times article, I will give it this, this part of it was it was yeah and but the way that the new york times article i will give it this this is this part of it was true was that it basically what it was getting at the kind of larger image that it was getting at and i don't think this was intentional i think well it was intentional but not in the way that they thought it was they were doing this for narrative dramatic effect but what they were doing was showing that this vet left war and came back to a different kind of war the war that they're describing is like oh a war where we don't have gun control that's not the fucking war that in this in this kind of gets at like the liberal obsession with

civil war they like they don't fundamentally they don't understand that we already are at war this is war i mean like if you got fucking people doing this shit it's fucking war and and and it's just an interesting thing that like that they have been so obsessed with this kind of meme this idea for so long now especially since 2016 that like civil war is coming they've not been able to really connect the dots that there is no civil war in the sense that there's going to be like a north versus south no there's not going to be one grand finale showdown no exactly easily i yo what you said before terrence go ahead terrence go ahead i was just gonna say it's exactly right it's just gonna be a slow war of attrition where they conduct

these terrorist attacks on you know people just just in their day-to-day lives just for who they are just just based on their very identity is an exterminationist you know it is it is an idea that goes back to like especially the 19th and 20th centuries an exterminist ideology like that's that's the war it's going to be a slow war of attrition on our society for those aims and goals and and and if you look at the fucking libs i can't say that i have any fucking hope that they're going to be the ones that are going to stop it oh no no no dog these motherfuckers yo look at this shit bro like i mean, just the dichotomy. They're just happy not to get blown out. Exactly.

And at the polls. So that tells you where they're at. Dog. I mean, this is. They ain't got the dog in them, basically. They don't have the dog in them, bro. They ain't got no dog in them. They don't have.

Yo, they have no conception of conflict. I realized this when I was like. I realized this like during school and shit like that. And just like working, especially like in gentrified neighborhoods in Atlanta and shit like that. And just conflict resolution and workplaces and how they deal with this shit. Yo, these libs, yo, they have just no conception of like actually conflict can be productive. Like things can actually work. Like if we have opposing views, as long as we find some kind of synthesis or resolution.

And especially when it fucking comes to politics, if not not just interpersonal like fucking the way they speak to people of different ideologies or whatever who they see is different when it's just like politics it's like yo it's like a baby like fighting a bear man they have no conception of how to actually fucking deal with this because they also don't have any resources they haven't they haven't they don't have their ear to the ground and haven't like amassed like any, like anything outside of like the electoral establishment. They don't have workers on their side. They don't have young people. Yeah, they have millionaire donors.

That's it. Exactly. Where the fucking right has these fucking like, these fucking, these like paramilitary fucking groups, these brown shirts that are ready to be deputized at a moment's notice, man. Yeah. You know? And you see this, exactly what you're describing in who's the new speaker

of the house like fucking hakeem jeffries you know hakeem jeffries about to start dropping biggie lines i hate this one of those guys of course he's probably one of those whistling biggie lines on their way to the graves it's fucking great whistling juicy yeah it was all a dream it was all the dream yeah it really was but not in the sense that it came into it no it's more than adam curtis way like a decline sort of way yeah i don't know i mean there's nothing really more to say about about that i wanted to talk about it uh i was going to save it for the end of the episode after we talked a little bit more about this article I wanted to read. But, like, it's, I don't know. These people, they spend all day trying to dehumanize a group of people.

a group of people and when people you know act on that for whatever reason whether that guy was like activated literally or who i don't really know i mean like his like you said his grandfather was is a gop like operative or representative i think yeah he's a rep from san diego yeah it's like that's exactly what they want they're gonna spend all fucking day whining about it after the fact that like people are pinning this on them, but it should absolutely be pinned on them. And in fact, I would even go so far as to say that we should be dehumanizing them. These people are not human.

They're not. I mean, fascists are not human. They, I mean, they're fundamentally not. You could like say like they hate humanity they hate humanity people who hate humanity are not human no no also too man i

gotta say that like you know like the onus is also on like fucking outlets like liberal outlets like the new york times and shit who fucking once a week will come out with we're just saying type of article about gender you know what i'm saying yeah and it's just like these are the people that like like have it trickled down and disseminate into the mainstream you know what i'm saying yeah they naturalize the shit when so when this violence fucking happens yo it's the same thing that happens with like you know like a similar very thing that happens with like black shoot police shootings right and black people get shot by the cops it's always like oh well this violence is natural to these

communities right they don't say it like that but it's like well the same way when we fucking bomb countries and shit like that we're like well i mean this country fucking has a famine i guess we bombed this country off for like a decade well it just so happens that's the way it is and it's the same thing when it comes to like violence against like lgbtq plus people man it's just naturalized so much that like i mean what else can you can you imagine Biden doing but saying, wow, that was horrible? Like, what the fuck is the state actually going to do? They're not going to do shit. When you've got guys like Jesse Singel writing shit in the Atlantic, like it's this shit.

It fucking circulates in all these elite circles. All right. Well, okay. all right well okay so more in the line of what we opened up talking about but there are a lot of through lines here there are a lot of connections because the reason i was looking into mikey siegel barbara marx hubbard transhumanism the heart link guy that's the heart link guy whatever it is yes that the heart link the heart sink heart sink it sounds like an evil corporation from a sci-fi dystopian novel or something man um the reason i was looking into that is because i read this article in the mit technology review under their biotechnology section um inside the billion-dollar meeting for the mega-rich who want to live forever. Hope, hype, and self-experimentation collided at an exclusive conference for ultra-rich investors who want to extend their lives past 100. I went along for the ride.

All right. Let's see. Let's start out here. Who wants to live forever? Let's see. Let's start out here. Who wants to live forever? The immortal words of Freddie Mercury blast from the speakers as blue lights swivel around the room

and a smoky mist floats up from the stage in front of me. If the audience has anything to go by, the answer to this question is the mega rich. I'd come to Gestad. I don't know how to say that word. Switzerland? Yeah. Gestad?

How do you say it, Tom? I think Gestad. Gestad. A sw you say it, Tom? I think Gestad. Gestad. A swanky ski town resort in the Swiss Alps. The first in-person longevity investors conference. This is the first of its kind. The first. Longevity investors.

Man, yo. They could have made it sound, gave it like a metaphor, a euphemism or some shit like that. Make it sound cool. No. The Lazarus Conference. The Methuselah Group. The Methuselah. like a like a metaphor a euphemism or some shit like that it sounds cool you know lazarus you know god damn guys i guarantee you there's some startup called like matthews or something like that like they sit all day with all the vowels taken out of it. They sit all day taking some supplement and they refer to it as like Thusin. I've been Thusin.

I'm Thusin. Thusin. Thusin. Kusin. And Tusin. Adam Tuz is Thusin. I'm cruising for Kuz

with Adam Tuz and we off that foos who's the guy that showed his the New Yorker guy that showed his dick on the zoom Jeffrey Toobin I'm I'm with with

with there were 150 people at this meeting and its organizers told me that 120 of them were investors with millions or even billions of dollars at their disposal. And at least a million dollars ready to pump into a longevity project. The conference was unlike any academic meeting I've ever attended. The location was stunning. The food was exquisite.

The champagne came with a backstory. was exquisite the champagne came with a backstory i'd never before seen a scientist work up a sweat during a longevity workout before a presentation nor conference attendees dropping to do push-ups in before in between sessions okay many attendees were taking bags of pills on a daily basis all in the hope of extending their years of good health as the hotels yeah the irony of like burdening they're like taxing their liver and kidneys in pursuit of a long life yeah exactly with drugs that you don't even know a decade from now could give you cancer or some shit yeah and they're just popping these pills like 24 7 so you have leukemia we've joked about it before because like especially during that raw water thing but you really could probably go to like an acid mine drainage site around here from like an old strip mine and like

bottle selenium and be like yeah this is pure selenium straight from the source guys you don't know this but this was this was the fountain of youth that de soto was. It's just a fucking acid orange from Water Fountain. So, sitting at a beautifully decorated dinner table and perusing my rejuvenation dinner menu. That's what it was called, the rejuvenation dinner. The main dish is a choice between local veal steak and a kind of mushroom pie.

I'm made aware of a hubbub over at the neighboring table. As I stand to take a peek, I see a group of men hudd made aware of a hubbub over at the neighboring table as i stand to take a peek i see a group of men huddled over what looks like a napkin one of them has cut his hand is and is squeezing out drops of blood he's probably doing some kind of test to estimate his biological age says martin dork jensen chief science officer at gordian biotech who is sitting beside me it's not typical dinner behavior especially wait wait hold up hold up wait all right is he doing this shit by eye like is he pulling out like instruments and like you know what i'm saying just like measuring his blood he's just looking at his blood like you know i i you know the thing is about this world

and this applies to theranos just as much as it applies to, like, the AI tech where they're trying to help people convene with the dead. It's all trying to prove, and much of science has actually always been this. This is not just a recent thing. It is just trying to basically prove magical. You know what I mean? That is true like do souls exist are souls real all right let's find out it's less about getting at some like sort of uh atomic truths about the world and more about like hmm do do ghosts exist do this you know like all the things we're enamored with in our childhood and beyond even do those things exist? I think I think to a little bit, too, it's like it's not even just curious.

I mean, it might with these people be hubris. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's like, I don't know, like trying to snatch like some Promethean fire. You know what I mean? And trying to get one up on nature and God. And that's when you get some Jurassic Park shit, man. You gotta be careful. You're right. Dude, they're gonna fuck around, and we're not gonna get

a Jurassic Park. For me, the most horrifying possibility is a Philosopher's Park, where they're like, oh, we've revived Aristotle and Plato. And they're like oh we've revived aristotle and plato and they're like you just have to sit there and listen to they're so out of date and slack you know we joked about being stupid it's just like aristotle's just a complete moron

you're at philosopher's park and you're in the jeep Jeep and you see the cup of water rippling out like. And then you roll down your window and a Greek guy sticks his head in and says, did you know that monism is actually there's a supreme arbiter of the world and that he creates the ripples in the water and it's the same thing as your soul. And his breath is like absolute dog shit. You got food in his beard and shit like that? And hemlock. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Do that shit at the Garden of Real American Freaks, too.

We just bring all them back. Oh, shit. Yeah, ask anyone in the field what they do to stay young and you'll typically be given a fairly lengthy list that could include anything from cold water baths and high intensity exercise to prescription only drugs or a combination of supplements somewhere experimenting with inhaling low oxygen air um i was invited to try out one of these devices at the conference which happened to be positioned in the middle of a room used for networking and drinks reception it felt a bit

strange walking champagne glass in hand around people lying face down with masks on their faces um let's see um conference co-organizer tobias reichmuth has his own list reichmuth co-founded maximon an organization that supports longevity biotech companies, with his friend and longtime collaborator Mark Berneger in 2020. His company is investing $100 million. Oh, $100 million Swiss francs. Sorry. Swiss francs.

You know, is that like $200 million or some shit? It's around $106 million. Oh, damn. I was way off right has a personal goal living to the age of 120 he's lost a lot of weight since 2016 eating a largely plant-based diet getting plenty of exercise wait i just gotta say real quick like it's probably buried in the lead baby but like it's funny that he wants to live to 120 meanwhile there's like some lady in japan that has been having the same diet for like the last like 110 years and she will last longer

than any of these motherfuckers yeah like smoking cigarettes and you know having like a glass of bourbon a day or something and chocolate yeah what bar chocolate a day um his daily regimen includes nmn a supplement that is meant to increase levels of nad plus which helps provide cells with energy nad plus okay nad plus that's right um then he talks about supplements all conference attendees were handed a gift bag with at least two containers of supplements in In mine, I found 60 days worth of purity supplements in a small tub of the

resveratrol. How is this not different to the Alex Joe shit, bro? Doesn't he do the same shit on his website? Or James Baker. Jim Baker. Yeah, anyone in his motherfucking bed. Then it talks to a doctor

who has treated people who have become ill after taking longevity they came to me almost in kidney failure in their 30s because they jumped on a very high dose of supplement oh my god

dude you go to the doctor man he's like what have you been doing well for the last two years i've been taking these supplements they come from india dude it's like all dude this is truly it just gets at the i know that there is it's not really marxist or materialist to talk about greed right but it really does get at the moral void just like the moral vacuity of of wealth and how it does not ever provide you i mean because like it's like it's like as you said before tom it's like in the long run we're all dead it gets us all you can't escape it no matter how much fucking money you have but they cannot accept that very few of us can actually yeah but they they have you right though because it is greed in the sense where it's like this this pathology where like they're i mean it's like

capitalism itself right i mean it's like it's unquenchable right it needs to accumulate and accumulate like these people are like that but just morally like and you know i'm saying that spiritually as a person like it just fills them with this like gaping void that i mean i guess they have to like figure out how to like i don't know do crazy shit like live to 120 you know instead of enjoying the life that they had i don't think any of us can like envision an end to anything i mean like you saw this with twitter going down earlier this week it's like i fucking i didn't and i could be wrong still obviously something could change next week something could change in the next like 30 minutes and then we get off this call that shit is dead exactly but i just i just fundamentally don't think it's going away

and the reason i don't is because nothing ever ends anymore like you've got sequels upon sequels of movie franchises we cannot accept the end we're in a 30-year loop we're in a 30-year loop man yeah it's just everything has to keep going it would probably be good for us if twitter ended not just because of like what it does but just mentally like it would probably be good for us to have some closure on something in our lives. For nothing else than just to practice for death. Yes, practice mindfulness for death. Prepare oneself. Steal yourself

for the ultimate. We need to start micro-dosing great loss. For when the day comes. That way it doesn't catch us unaware, you know? That's amazing. The mistake I've made lately is macro dosing that's where i fucked up you know what you know what you're right now because like a little bit gives you a little bit of perspective and a little bit of mindfulness about the end where instead of living in like perpetuity like

fear right of what's to come you're like all right I know a little bit of what this is like, you know, or I can expect to see, you know, know what it's like, man. Well, the thing about it all is this, I've learned this, the scary thing about dying is just kind of not being part of tomorrow, you know what I mean? It's like kind of the idea of losing control.

Like FOMO? Yeah. And another way, I think I've never been less afraid of death than i am now simply because it's just a uh it's just like again we're all going to experience it right but like nobody gets remembered exactly how you think you should be you know what i mean yeah like even people that had these remarkable, extraordinary lives, you don't think about them all the time.

Yeah. It's like, whatever your great contribution is, it's not really going to be remembered that much anyway. I mean, how many times... There's very few exceptions, but only if you can make money for somebody, as see the case of Mr. Tupac Shakur or Bob Marley. You're right.

But, yeah, but, like, how many times have you thought about Abe Lincoln this week? Unless you're Walt Whitman, you're probably not thinking about Abe Lincoln a whole lot. Yeah. Did you? Wait, Abe Lincoln, I mean, well. Every time I guess I pull out, what is it, a $5 bill? See, I can't even. What money is he on?

He's on the five, I think. He's on five. Yeah, he's on five. Walt Whitman was positively horny for Abe. He was positively worked up over Abe, man. Karl Marx, too, to some degree. Yeah, but I don't know if Karl Marx wanted Abe to blow his back out like Walt did. Nah, yeah, I think he just wanted to have a nice chat, but Walt Whitman absolutely wanted to have a nice chat but walt whitman

won't absolutely wanted to hit abe's back wall free his back walls yeah he wanted to absolutely destroy that brown eye um just as a side note we have a friend that went to a high school called walt whitman high school and westboroboro Baptist church protested it in the two thousands. Remember Westboro Baptist church. They almost seen quaint. Now they protested it in the two thousands. Cause Walt Whitman was gay. Oh my fucking God.

What happened to those? Are they still out there? Like they're, they're like, they, they, they probably seem normal compared to the QAnon people. But a few people,

they got subsumed into the Q people. Yeah. Um, anyways, back to our conference speakers include included billionaire 44 year old christian angermeyer who said he needed to stay alive for another 50 years in order to benefit from future longevity treatments this is the part that fucking kills me angermeyer said that the super rich eventually reach a point where having more money doesn't improve their lives very much. If you buy a yacht, you can always get a bigger yacht. If you buy a plane, you can always get a bigger plane. But the extent to which your life is changing with more money is actually very minimal.

It makes more sense to direct funds to being healthier and living longer. I just like they just go ahead and literally say it's just like this is like cosmically you know what i'm saying like spiritually it's it it you get nothing in return i mean you know what i'll tell you what it's like man it's like it's like going out one night man and like buying a bag or some shit and it doesn't matter how much you do until once at some point it's not gonna work at some point you can't get any more high you know at some point you flatlined and now you gotta find other ways to seek enjoyment which usually means you know staring out the window at like 6 a.m when the sun is coming up the birds are chirping hating your fucking life you know that's what these people do well these guys are making a fundamental mistake and that the magic in life is like the little

moments you know what i mean or whatever and like they're going for the big prize you know to live to be 106 so that doesn't guarantee you any sort of magic you know well well tom it's like it's like you just said though time a minute ago right it's like you know we we we won't be remembered the way that we hope but these guys think that because they have the power and the money, the resources that they can control that post mortem narrative and they can't control it and that's what freaks them the fuck

out. That's what freaks them the fuck out. Because nobody can control that shit man. Yeah. That's exactly right. They talk about a startup called Hevolution. I don't know. Yo these names man. They can hire me. They talk about a startup called Hevolution. I don't know. Yo, these names, man.

They could hire me. They talk about how the Saudis are pouring millions and billions into this. Always a good sign. Always a good sign with the slave traders. Yeah, this is the part I thought was pretty good. A 67-year-old man took to the stage to tell us that since he'd been taking his own supplement, his biological age had reversed, and he was now biologically only 49 years old.

Okay. Okay. Like, that's part... That's what those guys were doing when they were cutting their hand and looking at their blood because in their minds there's like a biological age and then a true age like a platonic age not even the way you feel but the way that you're like i mean i don't know you're met i don't even know what you know how like old men are like

70s the new 40 or whatever it's like they've taken that and turned it into literally... Into like a science? And uberized it. Oh, God. May they live forever. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It talks about how they avoid the term anti-aging and opt instead for geroscience why why is it i'm curious about that i i maybe it's because they want it to be as inaccessible to people as possible so they don't want to make it accessible yeah yeah yeah so it's if it's geroscience maybe we'll think it's jerry seinfeld sign yeah yeah yeah so it's like if it's jero science maybe we'll think it's jerry seinfeld sign yeah yeah yeah instead of so the poor as well be like wait i want to live forever right um yeah this guy says we want to be responsible and we want to come from science but the day after his presentation transhumanist jose luis codero called us he

wanted to transcend biology travel to mars and massively extend human lifespan dog you know it's so terrified about this shit man it's like because dude like i'm a fucking sci-fi nerd i would love that shit but it's like like these people don't have this like idea of a collective future for humanity you know i'm saying they're like like literally i don't know if y'all seen elysium where it's like this two-tier society where there's a space station where people can heal any illness they have and everybody on earth lives in like squalor and filth and shit is that tom cruise no that's a oh matt damon matt yeah yeah i remember that yeah that's the guy that did uh the movie district nine

the guy that directed that did District 9. I was about to say U.E. Bull. That's not U.E. Bull. Yeah, U.K. Bull. He's a much different... Wasn't that the guy that did the crazy cannibal movie? I think so. I think he did Postal 2. Yes.

These guys are freaky, man. Yeah. Well, I guess the reason i point all this out is that it is like transhumanism it is all geared and like transhumanism's predecessor eugenics it's all geared towards trying to create the optimal human being and that is another kind of fascist strain of thought and at some point there will be a convergence and maybe that convergence is best realized in peter till um but that should give you pause that like billions of dollars trillions of dollars of defense spending go into this shit i mean where you think all this money's coming from? Most of it's coming from the fucking Pentagon because the Pentagon wants AI.

They want fucking the most state-of-the-art missile guidance technologies. They want super soldiers, man. If they could have super soldiers, that's what they would want. AI or super soldiers, they would be fine. They want to reanimate you after you get

fucked up. And put you back into the field exactly right back out there with you yep slap you on the butt go ahead boy hey you got it right yeah nah man but like i don't know like not if it's a you know not the kind of like it's a thorough through line between all of this is like i mean this is why like you know like any queer anti-trans violence it's like it's literally again about like these people thinking about progeny continuity and like what the ideal person is right or the ideal human being is right especially to like

succeed future generations you know it's terrifying man yeah it's fucking terrifying well you know as judith butler pointed out in that essay it's the the dissolution of the family and of social norms like that's a real thing in the sense that there are material constraints being put on people every day due to capitalism and you know there are people who exploit that and try to spin some reactionary explanation out of it to like harness that to um to bring it back to life or i don't know. I mean, it's it's it's not possible. And that was the thing with, you know, the original Nazis and World War Two, who were futurist to our futurist.

Yeah, they were futurist where futurism was associated with manhood and violence and speed and power. You know, I think I don't think that uh i don't think i think that's definitely connected with teal and all these fucking like all these longevity people you know i don't know man well you know i mean a lot of the people that backed the nazis were old-blooded like aristocratic conservatives who wanted to bring back like that kind of more semi-feudal arrangement and uh yeah i don't know if that's what the nazis themselves wanted i mean maybe just give it a slick sleek overcoat like a of modernity you know what i mean yeah i don't know this quasi modernity that also harkens back to like

i mean i don't know man i think that's why i like uh i'm going off topic that's why i like the whole retrofuturism is a pot is a popular idea because it's like you're kind of reupholstering the old you know what i'm saying you're returning back to the old for the future and i guess that's what these guys think right right yeah upcycling the future. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Well, anyways, that's that. You guys have anything you want to add before we sign off for this week? Happy days. We're recording this on November 22nd, the 59th anniversary of the day that JFK got his spaghetti, spaghetti swirled. Yeah.

The anniversary of JFK throwing up mom's spaghetti on his sweater. Oh, Jackie? Yeah. He tried to scoop it up and put it back in. Yeah. Honestly, if you're looking for something to do with your family over Thanksgiving, watch Oliver Stone's JFK. Great movie.

I love that movie man 100 percent the cia killed him there's not a fucking oh 100 100 i mean i think i think they will i don't i think that there were never of course we're never going to find out about this because like of course the state would never like you know like reveal these secrets but i think like they're just like hey well everybody everybody either knows that it's the cia has just accepted it and we don't need to admit it or they have their own reason for what happened you know uh-huh it's like common knowledge everybody low-key knows man or high everybody knows everybody knows it's just like yeah yeah our government killed the president so yeah it's like when someone in your community has a secret and it's like come on man everybody

already knows just admit it in front of everybody it's like it wasn't bad and slow to declassify a lot of that stuff because of the impact it might have on law enforcement and the intelligence agencies yeah yeah it was supposed to come out like a couple it was supposed to be elite locked like a couple years ago and they said now we got to wait like five more ten more years of some shit i'll it almost makes me wonder maybe it almost makes me wonder if like the havana syndrome wasn, that whole thing wasn't in some way. A cover up. An opt to valorize them or to push the ball further down the road on that. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They could kick dirt over it. It's like, look at how targeted we are. Look at how dangerous our jobs are. You don't want to do something like this, Joe. That would make us more targeted even if people knew that we killed JFK. If they knew for sure that we killed him.

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