Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 273: The Iseman Cometh

Episode Date: January 5, 2023

On this first (free) episode of the year we take a journey through cop lore; talk movies; and meet a real life Mr. Freeze, who's here to kick some ice Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

is seeing me for what I really am. Okay. That's a homosexual. Okay. There's a place everyone goes for fun in the sun. It's Appalachia. I want to position myself

to be the Appalachian tour guy. Yeah. You know, the, what do you call it? You know how, like, Dolly's like, come visit the Smokies. Yeah. And different people say, come visit, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger said, come visit California. I'm the governor. You want to be the gay face of Appalachia.

Well, yeah. I mean, I got a couple of hurdles to jump through before I get there. Yeah, Tom Sexton, gay face of Appalachia. Cha-cha-cha. Dude, do you think that... I feel like I always heard growing up that when you're in training, like police training, that you have to get tased. You know how like when people buy a bark collar for their dogs and they like, I had to try it out on myself first before i you know what i'm talking about yeah yeah which is well there's videos i remember there's videos of

different waspsburg police officers getting tased they put that shit on youtube oh do they really yeah you've never seen i've never showed you that video no that's hilarious they find that they find that funny it's like what well mean, what's the underlying philosophy? It's like, if we're gonna be using this on the population, we need to know how it feels first. I guess, no, I think it's more to do with like, it's like a hazing ritual or something almost. Okay.

The hilarious thing about it is, if you watch it, it's almost in the style of a baptism. You got two older men holding the young cop by either arm while the young cop is bracing himself to be baptized, and then the guy counts off one, two, and then three, and then the cop goes, oh, God. And then he goes down. I'll tag that in the show notes.

There's links to that. That's fascinating. The symbolism there, the parallels. It's like baptism by electricity. I guess so. Yeah. So I think it's more of a hazing ritual slash initiation ritual or something like that. I see.

So, yeah, it's not a parallel with the dog bark collar. Because if that was true, I mean, I think that cops should have to get shot in training. You know what I'm saying? I think, yeah, probably what should happen is yeah to understand the perils of the streets you should be able to take eight shots from an ar-15 at close range with with the vest out well actually no vest out no vest through it you know you're the real goods if yeah if you you can take an entire clip to your torso and still yeah yeah you just fucking tony montana that shit then you get in yeah i found a you know quora

you know that website quora where you can like ask questions and people answer yeah i'll tell you how i i get core emails every day simply because once upon a time, I posted some hypochondriac questions on there. Were they answered? Yeah, I think somebody did answer it, actually. I can't remember what it was, though, but now I still get emails. And it's the worst anxiety-inducing shit, too. Oh, huh. Yeah.

It's always got something to do with long COVID, or it's got something to do with you know chronic line rare all these rare illnesses and like the likelihood of that anyway yeah usually from doctors from like uh you know azerbaijan saying yes seek help so that thanks thanks dr igor that doesn't really do anything to assuage my concerns yeah i heard um i have here a uh quora question you know the question was do all police officers have to get tased during training someone describing themselves as a 23 year old peace officer i love it when cops refer to themselves as peace officers oh god it's all it's it's very like

tombstone like old west yeah yeah um he said during my academy training you have to attend taser certification but you volunteer to quote unquote take the ride you don't have to but you will be unofficially branded a wuss forever if you do not so basically it is like an initiation slash hazing ritual yeah it's fascinating it's kind of like that with baptism too like if you're not baptized you're a major wuss yeah yeah. Yeah, now technically to get into heaven, did you all teach that you had to be water baptized to get into heaven? Yep. You're a Baptist though, so that makes sense.

That's the whole deal. Yeah, yeah. And that was, it was like a big, dude, see, I was late for everything as a teenager. Like I accepted Jesus Christ into my heart, into my life when I was like 10. That's as true today as it was then. Still there.

Still there living, walking with you every day. Still there. Making repairs, fixing the drywall, punching through the drywall. That's a funny thought. Just Jesus living in your heart and he just gets mad at you, punches a hole in the drywall. That's a funny thought. Just Jesus living in your heart and he just gets mad at you, punches a hole in the drywall. Yeah. But I didn't get water baptized immediately.

Like, I don't know why, dude. I think I maybe just forgot or something. Were people judgy about it? Yeah. Like they kind of were. I tell you,

no. If you die in your sleep. I know. You've not been baptized. Well. I know. You've not been baptized well. I know. You fall into the hands of a just God. That's right. You have to be wet.

You have to be wet and slimy to get into heaven. Just like a baby coming out of the womb. That's what it is, man. You're a newborn babe when you come up. That's true. That placenta, that holy placenta, it's the baptismal waters all over you. Yeah, yeah.

But like, where did the tasing ritual start? Was there a ritual that was similar to this before the taser was invented? I can tell you weren't a member of a fraternity in college. Did you get tased? No, I didn't get tased, but, you know, there's things you did that, you know, it's some stupid, you know, display of your manhood or something like that. Yeah.

Well, the history. Wow. Jack Cover, a NASA researcher, began developing the first taser in 1969 so it's like as soon as we landed from the moon they were like we gotta get to taste in these motherfuckers yeah all of our all of our nazi uh aerospace engineers came back they're like you know what here's the next frontier we gotta juice these motherfuckers. Keep the streets clean. Wow. The first taser model offered for sale was in 1976.

Wow, it used gunpowder as its propellant. Fascinating. Doesn't seem safe. Former Taser International CEO Patrick Smith testified in a Taser-related lawsuit that the catalyst for the development of the device was, quote-unquote, the shooting death of two of his high school acquaintances

by a guy with a legally licensed gun who lost his temper. Seems their position on such things has reversed over the years actually it was good that my high school friends got shot and murdered uh huh fascinating

well what's the fucking history of the ritual though like what's the I need folklore I need police folklore buddy you don't want to go there i don't know police folklore is just full of it's really just conspiracy blackmailing well um yeah you're probably right i mean did you see this thing in the new york times that was uh that was about let's see it's you know how like the new york times like convenes panels of like 15 people to ask them about how they feel about like ethanol and gasoline and shit and they like yeah heavily weighed it to one side yeah is that

is that the same thing that they do with like the presidential candidates where that one bald guy was like you fixed bread prices yes yeah yeah yeah yeah i think that that that's similar because they had a similar thing the other day what these 11 cops think people don't understand about crime and uh either none of these people are actual cops like they're like rena cops or something like security guards yeah yeah i don't know like none of it i'll just say this no one mentioned antifa once so i know that these are not real cops these are not real cops now if they were they would say black lives matter is a domestic terrorist group antifa super soldiers blah blah blah i think i won't go through it because it's extraordinarily long but

the moderator asked is there anything that you would want to leave new york times readers with as a sort of final thought um and let's see stan who is mixed race republican uniformed police officer it says mixed race it's like you had to answer that part is he says i think for me what's going on in this country the last couple years is a perfect storm of a lot of nonsense a perfect storm of a lot of nonsense if i had to say where's there's an episode to stick a pin in that if i had to say one thing instead of trying to call me and my co-workers out call us in call us into your small groups. Call us into your city council meetings. The cops are adopting the language of the NGO left. Call us into the meetings that really matter where the transparency takes place.

That's where I want to be. I'm sure it is. I'm sure that is where you want to be. I think, as a general rule, the last place cops want to be is anywhere where there's accountability being sought. You tend to want to stay away from that if you're one of the boys in blue. Alexandra, Hispanic Democrat, said, we're all human.

We're human. I wish I was on this panel. Top sexton, white trash piece of shit. Podcaster says. Yeah, we're here to help. Definitely people will have bad experiences with that 1% of bad cops, but we are here to help. Why is it always the 1% of whatever? It's like the 1% of bad cops but we are here to help why is it always the one percent of whatever yeah it's like the one percent of bad cops it's like man i listen i've known a lot of cops in my life personally

and i would have to say that if i were gauging the moral turpitude of all of those involved or lack thereof you wouldn't say most of them are pieces of shit like just not not good people that's again this is why i know none of these people are real like maybe they were cops like 30 years ago or uh shit i don. This guy said, we aren't the enemy. We put our pants on like everybody else does every day. Oh, my God. How do you put your pants on, Chris? I put my pants on like everybody else every day. And then they're just like saying, you know.

You know, how we do. How we do it. How one puts on their pants. They're like, walk us through it. Yeah, yeah, walk us through it, Terry. Well, you know, you sew them on up the seams up the side. You lay down there. You lay down on the bed and let your wife just pull them up two legs at a time

Like everybody else Yeah Desmond Black Republican He's like yeah I don't I haven't taken my pants off in 20 years I don't know what you're talking about That sounds like a Chappelle show sketch or something

Yeah Well okay this isn't even a fucking cop desmond black republican court investigator that's not a cop that's not a cop that's cop adjacent he said hey at the end of the day we're just like you justin blue that's like that's like a guy ryan adams that was like a dispatcher that always like would do shop with a cop yeah so you imagine being the kid that shows up that's like you know you're from like a blue line family and the guy that takes you shopping for christmas is actually just the guy that answers the phone like the the beat cops can't even be bothered to actually do it. Yeah, can't even do it.

So it's like, you know, you're like that little kid, little Timmy's like, well, have you ever got shot in the line of service? And then he's just like the best he could come up with is the time that he like, you know, took a call from some crazy person. They're going to have to like, yeah, they're like, uh, here, uh, Brian, here's, here's my service. Here's a, here's a spare service revolver and a utility belt. Go take these kids shopping.

And he winds up like gunning down like seven people in a mall because, because they looked like they were going to, they're like, wait, he's a dispatcher. He thought, he thought that deputized him. That was really just for costume purposes. Yeah. Wow, they did one of these panels for Yellowstone. Why do people love Yellowstone? 11 fans on the appeal of John Dutton's America.

How fucking... What's the consensus? Lauren 65 said, I love religious freedom and diversity uh oh yeah she said the question is what i love most about america is blank and blah blah blah for folks who said for blah blah blah blah blah blah i don't know man is yellowstone like a referendum on... What are they saying? I'd like to know the demographic breakdown of the panelists here.

I heard Yellowstone went woke and gay. A lot of people saying that now. Did you not hear Yellowstone went woke and gay? I watched it and I'm yet to figure out what they mean by woke and gay. Woke and gay. The panel is Bradley64ley 64 florida white retired charmaine 40 maryland black student libertarian greg 63 rhode island white director of procurement

democrat what's what's the director of procurement at first was like, I haven't saw that movie. Procurement. He's the director of Procurement. Yeah, Procurement. It takes place in 19th century Victorian England about a tariffs administrator and his like tempestuous love affair with a factory owner's daughter or something. That's procurement. It's like atonement. A tariffs administrator.

Oh, man. That got me. Well, we'll save the Yellowstone panel for another day. Yeah, I'm cooking something up for yellowstone i gotta figure out what to think about it i'm interested why they said diversity though because i mean there's native americans and then there's whites and then they they threw in one black cowboy that like basically just gets a runner story like every now and doesn't isn't even like the subject of a b story just like a guy that has like the only thing you know about him is he's like kind of dating like the redneck from texas

chick that's there working on the ranch yeah forbidden love you know forbidden you're right right right um yeah i need to watch it but i'm I'm disappointed that in the cop panel They didn't talk about the history of the tasing ritual They didn't give us any sort of background information No background information there I do like how I do fucking really like how As a side note

People will try on the dog collar. I've never heard people try it on the dog collar. There are grown men out here that are like, oh, I gotta know how it feels before I put it on my buddy here. Dude, I've known people who've done that. But I think, I suspect that no one is actually doing it. I suspect that people say they've done it, but they're like, ah, just fucking, just put it on the dog.

Yeah, it'll be alright. Well, it's just like, what's the point? Like, if it shucks the shit out of you and it hurts, why are you still going to put it on your dog? Yeah, like, the point point the the whole i don't know if you know shock collars work but they hurt that's why they work doesn't feel good to get juiced oh man you ever been juiced dude i have been electrocuted yeah i was i was fucking pumping out a baby pool one time with a little sump pump, and I touched that motherfucker, and I went down.

It was gnarly. Uh-huh. Yeah, it wasn't even really that high voltage, I don't think. Well, listeners of the show will know that I've been struck by lightning multiple times. Oh, you are the lightning strike guy. I'm the lightning strike guy. Yeah, the town lightning guy. i'm the lightning strike guy yeah the town lightning i'm the town lightning guy

and uh you know and and they called me in after those people got electrocuted they got hit by lightning outside the white house uh you know a few months ago they had to call me in and i had to do grief counseling i was like it's not your, it's not your fault. It's not your fault. God does not have a grudge against you. He doesn't have a grudge against you. But perhaps maybe standing under a tree

during a lightning storm, the one thing they tell you not to do during electrical safety. Probably not the best thing. Yeah. I'm like shaking them like Robin Williams shaking Matt Damon in Good goodwill hunting like it's not your fault oh god damn it can you get can you get i need somebody to clarify this for me

you can get electrocuted in the shower right or is that a wives tale that's i that's got to be a wise so there's no fucking way i've always heard the phone like a landline phone not a cell phone unless it's plugged in like anything plugged in that you're using during lightning storms not safe dude you know how many like teenagers out there take like 20 minute showers in the middle of thunderstorms because they're like jacking off like but they're sure yeah you get to that age you start taking those long showers and the thunderstorm gives you a little more uh it strikes more time you come and your fucking wad just shoots through the wall like a fucking bullet or like yeah you get you get electrocuted and you think it was god's like there's a guy that's never masturbated again because he got he thought he got

electrocuted in the shower jacking off and thought it was god correct to me uh-huh i don't know um so uh speaking of movies okay um speaking of movies, okay. Speaking of movies, I had an idea that I wanted to run by you. So I've not seen the new Avatar. Okay. Have you? Yes. I have not seen the new one, but I have seen the first one. Right. I have not seen the new one, but I have seen the first one.

Right. I have not seen the first one. Okay. Well, we can piece together our knowledge. Yeah, we can come. Well, the premise of the first one is pretty straightforward. You got the planet Pandora, the Na'vi live on it. There's a resource in it that american capitalists want and so you know they like basically over a long amount of time build up a sort of like

administrative colonial presence there where they like try to persuade the indigenous people to give them the resource and to move off the land so they can take it um etc but i feel like it the movie just like it went down in real life i see just like it went down we made them a sweet deal and didn't at all there was broad form deeds in avatar people were signing away their mineral rights yeah it's just yeah just standard language you're just sat here yeah it's interesting though i think that avatar might offer a way to observe or understand why working class politics in Appalachia are so absolutely like mangled and fucked up. This man is Cameron Peele. Yeah,

dude. I mean, well, I've not seen the new one, so I don't know. Well, you're not, you're not that Cameron Peele.

I'm going to. Okay. The, but like, okay. so in the movie right like the whole thing is trying to get the indigenous people off the land in what by all means necessary whether it's like liberal reform persuasion or by the you know barrel of a gun um but it's interesting because in appalachia it didn't go down that way so like imagine if well first of all we have to say it there is a direct parallel because both places of blue people. You're right. There's blue fugates.

Yeah. I forgot about the blue fugates. That is... That'd be so tight to Avatar 3 and it's like the blue fugates are actually Navi. That's where he got

the inspiration, the blue fugates. Yeah, the blue fugates of Perry Canary. I've totally forgot about that but okay here's my thesis so like imagine it's avatar right or it's pandora apatar it's apatar So stupid. Okay, and now imagine that, like, before the process of industrial extraction begins, like it does in the movie,

instead the indigenous Na'vi were, like, exterminated or driven off the land and then replaced by a poor settler colonial population imported from another fucked up colonial context like ireland you know scott's irish everything as a way to like shore up the frontier of a burgeoning early nation state right well i was talking to somebody about this the other day what do you do you think that like appalachia is on purpose like part of me thinks and i've said this this is a very kind of trap point but like i still think it's possible that like you know our our overlords really kind of needed a place to say oh well look the poorest people in this country are actually whites yeah it's i don't know i don't

think that was intentional but i do think that it was very advantageous to them. The only reason I don't think it was intentional is because I don't think anybody really knew when they were giving out land tracts and trying to settle this region and kicked the Shawnee and other indigenous tribes off. They didn't really know what resources were here. Back when the tariffs administrator from procurement and his, and his bride came here to really,

you know, administrate everything. Exactly. He was the viceroy of Appalachia for a while. He's, you know, like they didn't early permits guy, you know?

Right. They, they didn't have like industrial coal mining yet. Right. but so like yeah you got pandora which is appalachia you've got the navi which is like the shawnee and there was an ear of other people yeah yeah exactly and then but they were all kicked off and replaced by this like sort of like poor uh agrarian settler colonial population and then also blue some of them were also blue apparently

and then though but then that's where the industrial extractive process begins. So that the act of enclosure, you know what I mean, kicking people off the land occurs twice. It occurs to the indigenous people and then it occurs to the settler colonial people who are put here. Yeah. And those people are proletarian, proletarianized, right? Right. And so in that process, they internalize a grievance which was that we said hey we stole this land it's ours like we this land should be ours we stole it square fair and square um but they are also oppressed because they are exploited through

the labor process and made to work like you know 16 hours at the mines and they get black lung and their bodies fucking fall apart and everything mechanization occurs which results in strip mining and unemployment which results in the destruction of the environment all right then the the industry starts to start to like process of abandonment where coal is no longer as profitable as it was they fucking mined out everything this happens at the same time as the opioid epidemic and the rise of a new industry and workforce health care yeah but you still have all those same grievances inherited from your ancestors about losing what was yours and about like being fucked over by the destruction of the land your grandfather having black lung etc etc and then

you have to like package that together in a way that makes sense of what the fuck is happening like does that make sense? Like, it would be like if Avatar, if they didn't find the Na'vi there, they instead found hillbillies, blue fugates. They found blue fugates. Yeah. And they were like, what happened to this place?

They're like, what are you talking about? You know what I mean? And then- Before you say anything, no, it's not colloidal silver or being incestuous. Let's just get that out there right now. Let's just get it out of the way. Now we can have a dialogue. Yes.

Or in some ways it's like much is said about conquering people. Even the U.S know being part of the winning coalition although not principally the ruling part of that cult of say coalition sort of becoming the nazis after world war ii what if the blue fugitives just became the navi you know even so much so that they they adopted the the skin color dude it's not outside the realm of possibility there was like once again this week there was like another example of an academic being caught lying about her native heritage it's like they there's like a half dozen of them a week at this point. What's her next? Is she going to run for president?

Yeah. Kay LeClaire went by an Ojibwe spirit name, spoke and performed at Native American events, led the local missing and murdered indigenous women movement, got grants and fellowships, sold leather bags and birch baskets. Turns out it was all based on lies. Damn.

Damn. Well, listen, was it one of those things where the tribe had accepted her as their own or she just was telling them that she was already in? Yeah, I don't know. See, that's the thing. It's the thing it's the tricky part about all this however however we did have an amazing moment this week in

uh i don't know how you'd say like trill billy's uh lore edward norton found out on live TV, on live television, on PBS, that he is the 12th, his grandmother, his 12th great grandmother was Pocahontas. I'll be goddamned, Ed Norton. Yeah, dude. He's Ed Norton. So Ed Norton really is. was this why hold a second was this like ancestry with like skip gates or is this what is yes henry louis gates he through a direct paper trail it is absolutely true and how could you possibly determine that through the paper trail

it would have been documented the paper trail of their children of course okay okay okay okay so let me get this straight so ed norton is actually living the ultimate hillbilly dream he actually is the 12th great the dread side of pocahontas. The great, great, great, great to use this term, but phenotype? Is the Ed Norton likeness? Well, here's the thing. Is that a sign of being a descendant? I think so, possibly.

It might be John Rolfe's lineage. If you want to know what Pocahontas' boo thing looked like, it looked like Ed Norton my cousin peyton but why does it look why does that have to be the case why does john rolfe have to look like ed norton what if pocahontas looked like ed norton oh yeah i'm just venturing to say she probably didn't look much like ed norton but the weird thing is peyton is the only other man i know that like to this day through a very tenuous prophecy and carved on a piece of wood he calls the powhatan claims that he is a direct descendant of pocahontas and he looks identical to him dude well tell him

i don't say it's not a Southern Realm possibility. Yeah. You know, I like how Ed Norton was like, how the fuck do you prove this, Henry? And he's like, the paper trail. It's like that T.I. album. He's like, the paper trail. Yeah.

Rubber band man. Wild as the Taliban. He, uh... He, uh... He, uh... What's hilarious is most people just bend over backwards and tell these ridiculous myths to make that claim. Ed Norton wasn't even looking for it.

He wasn't even looking for it. Actually, it seemed like he was trying to refute it a little bit. And yet... Man. feuded a little bit and still and yet man i understand that was family lore well it is absolutely true family lore it's funny that that was family lore man i'm calling bullshit how the norton the norton said i said that they always said that. Like, their great-great-great-granny was Pocahontas, and it turned out to be true! Hold on a second. Hold on a second.

Let me just back up here. I don't want to say this. I don't want to cast aspersions on the dearly departed princess. Pocahontas here. But what if we all just are descendants of Pocahontas? Pocahontas, yeah. But what if we all just are descendants of Pocahontas? Yeah. What if her and Rolf and the boys were that? What if that was just...

What if they just had that many grandchildren? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, they were that prolific. And that's why everybody in Appalachia comes up with these native myths. Dude, I'm fucking calling bullshit. What are the odds that the 12th great-grandson of Pocahontas would be American actor Edward Norton?

He can't have it all, Ed. I'm sorry. He can't have it all. Can't have it all. I think Ed Norton's a great actor. I really like him. But I think by all accounts, everybody hates working with him because he's very difficult.

Tries to do script rewrites, like page one rewrites of every movie he takes. This puts American History X in a whole new light. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it kind of does. Imagine if his character found out he was the 12th great grandson of Pocahontas. Let's do a little rewrite on that.

American History X, but the guy, well, he came around but instead of going to prison and like seeing all the horrors of prison and being a neo-nazi and all that stuff this is a man that was just racist really for no good reason and then found out the hard truth until he joined academia and ran for president and ran for president that is amazing though it just so happens just so happens with to be true in the case of this is the paper the paper trail doesn't lie i guess really with a lot of native american ancestry i think it's really all you can really rely on and unless you're like just have like an obvious tribal affiliation like but if you're one of these white presenting people with a spurious

claim yeah you better have the paper trail it's it's all about the paper trail it's really been about that since day one yeah i went i want him to do me next can Can I go on, what's the name of his show? It's called like Follow the Race or something. Finding Your Roots. Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Skip Gates. I want to go on Finding Your Roots. What would they find out about you? They would probably find that you're the 12th great grandson of a french burlap trader name francois

that's the thing like about the nepo baby discourse it's like no one in my line has done anything of note like just, just bone-dumb. Completely unremarkable bloodline. Yes, yes. Just, like, bone-dumb, oil-filled grunts with, like, CTE and oil-filled trauma and, like, rodeo assholes, you know, preceded by, like, Wait, what's a rodeo asshole? Do what?

Oh, you mean, like, a rodeo asshole. I thought rodeo asshole was, like, a condition you get from being in the rodeo. It loosens your asshole up by riding a bull or something. That's what I need because I have podcast asshole. I need rodeo asshole to loosen things up a little bit. You could use poppers, but the real heads just get on yeah get on a bucking bull for about three seconds now i'm ready yeah yeah yeah yeah and then before that yeah it was probably like yeoman like uh you know indentured servants and, you know, dirt farmers and shit.

There's, like, no nobility in my line, man. There's fucking nothing. My grandpa owned, when he died, he owns, like, 12 acres outside of Imperial, Texas, which is close to Marfa. And I was like, whoa, that's kind of interesting. Like, my dad was like, you don't want that, dude. It was like whoa that's kind of interesting like my dad was like you don't want that dude it was like there's it's literally just dirt like you can't even farm in it like i bet your granddad met james dean or something maybe didn't even know it or donald

judd or any of those people that moved out there he didn't meet james, but the, I thought I've told this story on the podcast before. He got to meet the crew of Giant when they were filming Giant, you know, with like William. No, it's Brock. Isn't it Brock Turner and Elizabeth Taylor? And I think Brock Turner was the Stanford swimming rap right? But... Now that would be something. Oh, shit. Yeah. My bad.

Who was in Giant? Was William Holden in it? William Holden, I think, was in Giant. Was Brock Turner even an actor? Hold on a second. Rock Hudson is who I was thinking. Rock Hudson. Oh, my God.

Rock Hudson. Sorry, sorry. Oh my god Rock Hudson Sorry Sorry Elizabeth Taylor Rock Hudson James Dean Chill Wills Chill Wills Who was also

The star of The Little Shepherd Kingdom Come Based on the John Fox Jr. novel Next place in Letcher County A young

Dennis Hopper Is also in Giant I think he plays A Mexican man i'm pretty sure that he's like in brown face this is kind of wild i wouldn't imagine budgets would have been like this in the 50s but 5.4 million dollar budget for a 39 million dollar return fuck pretty good no you know maybe he's not the mexican man but there is like a race subplot where william holden like punch gets his ass kicked in a diner because he tries to stand up for a mexican

man i think what it is is dennis hopper's character marries a mexican woman and they have an interracial child and someone's like you can't have him in here and will will Hudson tries to beat him up for saying that. I haven't seen it in a long time. I just remember the scene of James Dean dancing in the oil as it's fucking showering down from the sky. Let me ask you a question. What if you found out that your grandfather, that on that land in imperial

was a lover of rock hudson's wouldn't that be tight as hell that would have been that would have been tight your oil field granddad had uh had a love affair with rock hudson oh he was gay he was gay yeah that would have been tight. Then I would be a netbo baby. Yeah. Well, actually, I guess not. Rock Hudson got my grandfather pregnant.

Well, he said he always told us. This is actually probably bullshit now that I think about it because my grandfather told a lot of tall tales. But he always told us he got to meet and party with the crew on Giant because they filmed it outside of Marfa and close to where they lived. But he said that he hedged a little bit. He was like, but Elizabeth Taylorabeth taylor and rock hudson and james dean didn't come out he said only like the supporting cast and link so i say that's no good listen you never let the truth get in the way of a good story your granddad was a virtuous man

because if it had been me i'd have said that yes i elizabeth taylor and I were lovers briefly in the 50s. We role-played. Did I bed the most beautiful woman in the world at the time? Sure I did. We role-played. I was just Imperial County in the 50s, you know? Yeah, I worked for the county government as a tariffs bureaucrat. You wouldn't think it now, but back in in the day that was like chick stink bait yeah man why were we talking about uh oh nepo nepotism babies yeah we we were kind of on break when that whole discourse was going down. Oh man,

it was so fucking stupid. Also, like I said, totally subjective. I, you know, the whole nepotism thing is only centered around like, you know,

everything. So it's like Hollywood or this or that, like these things that like not a lot of people get to do. Right. Uh huh. But really and truly not everybody wants to be an actor or an actress or an athlete or anything. There's some people that want to be like chicken fighters or tariffs administrators or whatever. And in those worlds, there are their own Nepo babies.

That's right. And we should be holding them to account, in my opinion. Yeah. So. where are those articles this is the this is the thing me and you we're the first generation of podcasters you know what i'm saying like we're the first generation of people in this industry like even the old heads like rogan and terry gross and shit like they couldn't have had kids quick enough to have them in the industry. So we're still in that first wave, bro.

So, like, we, by definition, we are pioneers. We cannot be. Pass the program on to our children. Exactly. We're pioneers. After the Patreon has dwindled to... Three dollars. Nearly nothing.

There you go, son. Here's my legacy. Your family trade. Here you go. You've committed suicide and I'm in prison for tax evasion. That will be the analog to the dirt farm in like 2085 it's like oh my grandpa left me a patreon podcast that makes three dollars a month

but he partied with sturgill simpson one time in nashville yeah uh-huh yeah uh-huh uh okay speaking of the future there's an article i wanted to hit it was making the rounds in the mit techno technology review um a startup says it's begun releasing particles into the atmosphere in an effort to tweak the climate make sunsets is already attempting to earn revenue for geoengineering it's called make sunsets a startup claims it has launched weather balloons that may have released reflective sulfur particles in the in the stratosphere potentially crossing a controversial barrier in the field of solar geoengineering geoengineering refers to deliberate efforts to manipulate the climate okay blah blah blah blah in theory spraying sulfur and similar particles in sufficient quantities could potentially ease

global warming it's not technically difficult to release such compounds, but scientists have mostly refrained from carrying out even small-scale outdoor experiments. But why? What's stopping them? What's the cost-benefit analysis? Can some bad stuff ensue if you do it, or is it kind of like...

Or is it just one of those things where it's like, eh, it's just gonna smell like rotten eggs, but no harm, no foul, you know? Yeah, I think it's totally fine. If we could save the planet, but the deal is,

is it smells like shit and rotten eggs for the rest of time. But all the flora and fauna are thriving. You can't really smell it over the rotten egg smell. Uh-huh. But you'd take that deal? I'd take that deal, yeah. I don't know.

I used to have to spray weeds in the oil film, and it always smelled like fucking sulfur. Well, you ever bathed in well water anywhere in eastern Kentucky, it smells exactly the same. It's delicious. It's highly controversial. You say you would drink somebody's bath water until you realize that bath water is sulfur fucking rotten egg mountain water.

The practice is highly controversial. Little is known about the real-world effect of such deliberate interventions at large scales, but they could have dangerous side effects. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Yeah, yeah. The impacts, I mean, it's sulfur, you know? Why sulfur? It's, well, also famously a compound

associated with the composition of hell. Probably most famously recognized as the smell and composition of hell. No, I don't mean hell, Michigan. I mean the hell from the Bible. Is it that like what they would huff at the like the oracles at delphi wouldn't they like huff fucking sulfur vents in the side of volcanoes to hallucinate and like read prophecies i read the tea leaves are we all just gonna be oracles living in hell living again living in hell um the impacts could

also be worse in some regions than others which could provoke geopolitical conflicts hell yeah some researchers who have long studied the technology are deeply troubled that the company makes sunsets like the the fucking company name makes sunsets like that i feel like that's a that's already a metaphor for like bye-bye we're made sunset on the human race bye-bye here's the thing man here's the thing about that is i'm constantly amazed there there's just no end to man's hubris. It feels like a plot from that Orson Welles movie, Third Man, where a guy would be like,

they're all just ants from up here. We have to exterminate them all. They're all just ants. It's just like, what the fuck? Make Sunsets appears to have moved forward with launches from a site in mexico without any public engagement or scientific scrutiny it's already attempting to sell quote-unquote cooling credits for future balloon flights that could carry larger payloads several researchers at mit technology technology review spoke with condemned the effort

to commercialize geoengineering at this early stage. Some potential investors and customers who have reviewed the company's proposals say that it's not a serious scientific effort

or a credible business, but more of an attention grab designed to stir up controversy in the field. Wait just a goddamn second. Yeah, is it a troll? Is this like an ad busters thing? Have we been trolled?

Don't know. Let's keep going. I'll keep walking into it. Luke Eisman, the co-founder and CEO of Make Sunsets, acknowledges that the effort is part entrepreneurial and part provocation, an act of geoengineering activism. Motherfucker. I was really hoping that they were actually doing this sincerely because i don't know because it's funnier that way if it's just a fucking if it's just like a greta thunberg type like troll then like it ceases to be as funny as if somebody was...

He hopes that by moving ahead in the controversial space, the startup will help drive the public debate and push for a scientific field that has faced great difficulty carrying out field experiments amid criticism. We joke slash not joke that this is partly a company and partly a cult, he says. Oh, okay. Yeah yeah he's pretty cool

previously a director of hardware at y combinator says he expects to be pilloried by both geo engineering critics and researchers in the field for making such a step and he recognizes that quote making me look like the bond villain is going to be helpful in certain groups but he says climate change is such a grave threat and the world has moved so slowly to address the underlying problem that more radical interventions are now required it's morally not and not that i'm gonna make any money off this but so i guess it is kind of a troll but not in the direction of like an adbusters type thing it's more of a troll in the sense that like yo yo, we need to be geoengineering. And it's kind of like doing incrementalism correctly.

It's like, we're going to do something insane. And then let you, this guy's a Trillbillies listener. Circa 2018 Trillbillies. Glad somebody's taking some initiative with these ideas we've been putting down there yeah um let's see blah blah blah shuchi talati a scholar and resident at american university who's forming a non-profit based on governance and justice and solar geoengineering says make sunset's actions could set back the scientific field reducing funding dampening government support for trusted research and accelerating calls to restrict studies okay well in that sense it's probably good because i don't want to fucking fuck with the atmosphere

i just want to end fucking fossil fuels yeah you know it's the funny thing is like if an enterprising startup like i don't know say hezbollah just wanted to like bomb a bunch of oil fields all over the world we could speed this up another way without even tampering with the atmosphere you know exactly exactly um some observers were quick to draw parallels between make sunsets and a decade-old incident in which an american entrepreneur reportedly poured a hundred tons of iron sulfate into the ocean in an effort to spawn a plankton bloom that could aid salmon populations and suck down carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Wow.

What happened instead, though? That does not sound like that was a successful project. No, it does not seem like that had the desired result. Some believe it subsequently stunted research efforts in field. Okay. You know, I mean, you could look at this from like a harm reduction point of view if it gets people to stop thinking about geoengineering as the solution to the climate crisis maybe it actually might be good because it's like hey you see what these guys are doing it's not work yeah like i mean

sometimes you gotta break a few eggs before you can make an omelet yeah kiss a couple frogs for you get your prints you know dude that's the first time i've got a pun you nailed it you stuck it seven years of doing this that's the first time you're stuck landing with an idiot. I know, dude. It's a new me. It's a new year, new me. I almost said you got to peel a few apples before you can make an apple.

I think like that. I like that one better. Peel a few apples before you make it. You know, it's like the old saying. I've got a little solution. I think probably would make both of these approaches obsolete. The Hezbollah approach and that being these guys' approach. Yeah.

Here's what we do is we go get us a couple of dolphins. I'm already in. Then we release them into the canals in Venice. Okay. Doesn't really stop climate change or anything but it make everybody think it has so we'll all have like a better you know like a better mindset going you know going into the light together i agree we'll all think that he'll nature is healing we don't have to listen we don't have to um uh you know really address any problems we't have to, listen, we don't have to, you know, really address any problems.

We just have to, like, make people feel better. Like, there is an invisible hand that is making things better. Yeah. Those invisible hands are mine and Terrence's putting dolphins into the canals in Venice. We have a few left over. We'll put some in the Erie Canal. Yeah. We'll have a few left over, we'll put some in the Erie Canal. Yeah. We'll have a little fun with it.

You know, maybe put like a bull shark in the North Fork of the Kentucky River for a little lure. Look, man. Hey, coal's not damaged this place. Even sharks want to live here. Exactly. Exactly. um, Eisman says he pumped a few grams of sulfur dioxide into weather balloons and added what he estimated would be the right amount of helium to carry them into

the stratosphere. He expected they would burst under pressure at that altitude and release the particles, but it's not clear whether that happened, where the balloons ended up or what impacts the particles had because there was no monitoring equipment on board the balloons. Eisman also acknowledges that they did not seek any approvals from government agencies or government authorities or scientific agencies in mexico or elsewhere before the first two launches this was firmly in science project territory he said basically it was to confirm that i could do it um well you know you know sometimes you just

gotta grab the bull by the reins all right you know crack a few frogs before you get your prance that's exactly right in future work make sunsets hopes to increase the sulfur payloads dude are you trying to increase the sulfur payload bro they're just big loads of sulfur my payload my sulfur payloads are so fucking huge they're so fucking big they're this i just i hate everything about this the company you know i think what i hate most is the idea that like you could just do a startup and like with no overhead just use the earth we all have to share as your testing ground yeah it is really funny that you know in that movie snowpiercer the world was plunged into eternal winter because of like

the world government tried to do a geoengineering thing it's very funny that it instead of like the world governments it was just one guy it's like oops sorry sorry Now we have to do Snowpiercer. Yeah. Don't stick your hands out the window. That would be, that is the ending we truly deserve. As if some fucking startup idiots made us do Snowpiercer. Just by their fuck up. Their hubris.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. just by their fuck their fuck up their hubris yeah yeah yeah yep well i mean it's not that much different than what's going on everywhere else like i saw this article in the new york times this morning about how like scientists think that like the amazon in brazil is beyond hope at this point it's like beyond saving like they think that in the near term future it will just become like savannah grasslands it's like yeah there's probably like three companies doing that you know what i mean it's like yeah well and also telling that uh jared bolsanaro has uh has defected to drumrollroll please, Orlando, Florida.

A place that LeBron James said, if I'm traded there, I will just retire. It's like Napoleon, he had his island when he was exiled. I don't remember the name of it. Batista, after Castro overthrew Batista, he went to Daytona Beach, right? Yeah, yeah. Bolsonaro, Orlando. Yeah. Batista. After Castro overthrew Batista, he went to Daytona Beach, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Bolsonaro, Orlando. It's like funny. It's like if you get deposed in Latin America, you just go to like every spring break town in Florida. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's like- He's in Destin.

Yeah. Doing beer bongs. Yeah. Like, bro, I got fucked up with the Brazilian. It's like, bro, dude, I was doing shooters with Hosni Mubarak in Panama Beach. It was fucking tight. Oh, man. The company is already attempting to earn revenue

from the cooling effects of future flights. It is offering to sell $10 cooling credits for releasing one gram of particles in the stratosphere, enough, it asserts, to offset the warming effect of one ton of carbon for one year. What I want to do is create as much cooling as quickly as I possibly can, or responsibly can, over the rest of my life, frankly,

Iceman says. His name is literally Iceman. Hey, I'm just gonna do a bunch of cool, that's cool, I bet you are. Like, what, what kind of, like, fucking Joel Schumacher 90s Batman reality have we entered,

where, like, Mr. Freeze is, like, back? You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, that's so bad. That so goofy mr ice man he wants to do as much i want to do as much cooling as possible over the course of my life yeah says says the ice man um the company says it has raised 750 000 in funding from boost vc and pioneer fund among others and that its early investors have also been purchasing cooling credits blah blah blah kelly wansner wanser executive director of silver lining a non-profit that supports research efforts on climate risks and potential interventions agreed that what they're claiming to actually accomplish with such a credit is entirely is the entirety of what's

uncertain right now about geoengineering. Yeah, well, you work for a group called Silver Linings, so. Silver Linings and then what was the other? Sunsets? Make Sunsets. Bye-bye. Make Sunsets. Just close your eyes.

Now this has got to be some kind of ad busters fucking troll. Iceman. His troll. Iceman! His name's Iceman! I refuse to believe this is real. David Keith, one of the world's leading experts on solar geoengineering says that the amount of material in question

less than 10 grams of sulfur per flight doesn't represent any real environmental danger. Damn, he's just selling dime environmental danger damn he's just selling dime baggies he's just selling little fucking dime baggies of sulfur he's like yeah there ain't enough to do nothing bro yeah i got 10 grams for you right here yeah right here maybe 10 grams of sulfur a commercial flight can emit about 100 grams per minute he points out okay all right so like airplanes emit 100 grams of sulfur per minute interesting oh my god but it that hasn't solved anything

so far well if our uh aeronautics industry hasn't solved hasn hasn't cracked this case yet. I don't know if these guys care. Yeah. Same. Keith says a private company would have financial motives to sell the benefits, to downplay the risks, and to continue selling its services even as the planet cools

to lower than pre-industrial temperatures. Doing it as a startup is a terrible idea he says oh yeah that's the problem here it's like yeah it's just like a startup that's doing it if we only did it yeah it's like when people say that you can like strip mine coal responsibly they're like no we can do it responsibly yeah i wonder who's gonna be the first like the like the uber of like strip mining it's like here's what we do this is our idea dude you're right we get a network of wildcat miners right yeah we all get on their mining card and then we get everybody just mine their own coal behind their house

and then before we know it, we put the real miners out of business. That's right. Just like Hillary Clinton wanted us to do. Yeah, why has this not been innovated yet? Like, could you imagine getting into one of those drag line machines and it's got like the little Uber sticker on it?

Yeah, you turn your little sign on. Uh-huh. I'm trying to think of a name for it you could do just like stripper but s-t-r-i-p-p-r or i started to say we could do auger but take the vowels out but then it would just be your that won't work i like that though auger that's pretty good a-u-g-r a-u-g-r yeah with like an umlaut over top of it or something like that's that's beaut that's brilliant it's like we got an app and it's like uh sign up to be one of our minors yeah um for its part the company says it's operating on the best modeling research available

today and then it will adjust its practices as it learns more and hopes to collaborate with nations and experts to guide these efforts as it scales up we are convinced solar geoengineering is the only feasible path to staying below two degrees Celsius of warming over pre-industrial levels. And we will work with the scientific community to deploy this life-saving tool as safely and quickly as possible, said the Iceman in an email. But critics stressed that the time to engage with experts and the public would have been before the company began injecting material into the stratosphere and trying to sell cooling credits.

That's a fair point here. Yeah. Well, anyways, that's the article. But I don't know. I just think that people are being unfair. They don't appreciate true pioneers when they see them. That's true. That's true.

Yeah. It's just. That's true. Yeah. It's just the culture we're in. It's the, you know. These guys, us. Yes, it's the woke mind virus. Your grandfather in Rock Hudson. The gay pioneers of West Texas, you know. That's exactly right.

Wasn't a lot of gay stuff going on until your grandfather in Rock Hudson, man. Nope. They pioneered gayness in west texas oh man well um anyways what do you think about apple tar i think you've got something there i think that's good i think uh there's some parallels for sure now i need to go back and watch the first one and you need to come watch the second one and then

we'll have a more to say about i'm not really sure why i did that either to be perfectly honest with you you probably did see the first one i really didn't i remember walking in i remember walking into a room where some guys were watching it, calling them gay and walking out. You got to understand, this was 2000. It was a different time, you know. Ah, yes. Ah, yes. This is where I was infected with the woke mind virus.

You got to understand. It's where you caught the woke mind virus. I wouldn't say that now. Mm-hmm. Sure. Because now you're the gay face of Appalachia. Well, yeah,

it'd be bad for business if I was, you know, had things to say like that again. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Come see us. We fucking suck

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Yeah, yeah. It was like, you know, having sex with, what was it, Catherine the Great? Which one? Who was the whore queen of? It was Catherine the Great, yes. Yeah, imagine she just put the best pussy of your life on you and then rode off into the sunset.

Yes, it's sort of like that, yes. It's like if the bogey spagger had Catherine the Great level pussy. Okay, yes. I guess I see the analogy here. A stunning parallel. I bet I could easily find them. I just want to say, too,

the Whore Queen is not my words, for the record. Yeah, that was historians. That's in the annals. That's just what the annals of history say. I support that. The historical consensus says that. We just follow what they say Yeah

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