Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 284: White Man Down

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

This week we discuss one white liberal's quest to end race-based affirmative action Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

uh roland emmerich was a yeah i don't i don't i guess he he one of his weird so like a lot of his movies are sci-fi yeah sci-fi action right yeah it's like either sci-fi like thriller apocalyptic type shit because he did day After Tomorrow. He did Godzilla, Independence Day. Wait, he did Godzilla? He did the first American one, the 90s with the... God, I don't even remember who was in that movie. It had the Green Day song in it? Yes!

It had P. Diddy sampling that one Led Zeppelin song, Kashmir. Yes. Yes. That's the Yes, yes. Da-na-na, da-na-na, da-na-na. That's the one, yes, yeah. He also did 10,000 BC, 2012. But then he's got, he has a few movies

that are completely off the wall, but I guess they do kind of fall in line with his General Uwe, which is the Patriot, and White House down. Okay, so those kind of, well, I've never seen the Patriot, but, okay, is the Patriot, let me see, which one is this one? You gotta watch the Patriot, dude. The Patriot, this is, okay, what the hell is this? The Patriot. Wow, this is like a historical drama epic.

It's so stupid, dude, the Patriot,? The Patriots. Wow, this is like a historical drama epic. It's so stupid, dude. The Patriot. You got to watch it. It's like, it's got like, at the end, it's got like black slaves, like standing side by side with George Washington being like, thank you, sir. Let's fight this battle. We have forged a nation created on the belief that all men are created equal. So let me ask you a question.

Does the White House burn? Is the White house in this one and does it burn the the patriot day no or i'm sorry the patriot no because the white house hadn't been built at that point i don't think but in white house down i think it burns white house down so that's that's the that's the thread between most of his movies. If they're not outright disaster apocalyptic movies, he seems to have an obsession, a healthy obsession, one would say, about the White House being destroyed. Because he's got Independence Day and they blow up the White House in that one. Yes, that famous scene in White House Down. I mean, I watched that movie to talk with um milo to talk with no was it was it with milo yeah i think it was milo and phoebe um who do this like a seinfeld show but um they're from trash future folks but i went and watched a white house down and went on and talked with

them about it yeah and yeah that one is kind of like like roland emmerich's obsession with seeing, like, you know, what people think of this great nation, you know, this Western, I don't know, paragon of civilization be completely fucked and destroyed. And I think that's, I think we need to bring that energy back, man, you know? He's very interested in things being either, well, I don't know. It's like the Patriot. I guess something was being destroyed, which was the British 13 colonies. The American spirit? The American spirit, yeah. patriot i guess something was being destroyed which was the british 13 colonies the american spirit the american spirit yeah i gotta watch this he's also got a movie about midway which i feel like came out the same year as christopher nolan's uh war film what was the um um um i watched that uh the other day i kind of like that dunkirk it was dunkirk i mean i'm i'm

i'm not gonna front that movie fucking ruled yo dude i wish i watched it in the theaters where you're supposed to watch it with because i'm not a person i don't know i'm saying that like three i think 3d is a gimmick but i do think that there is some merit maybe i'm not a sounds guy right so if anyone knows you can sound off but i think there's some merit to that because like sound creates like its own dimension of space sort of you know what i mean so like that movie was supposed to be like with the dolby digital like imax surround sound which i thought that shit was just visual i don't know you had imax around sound but yeah that movie is that movie is pretty tight i i'm not a movie you want to watch on a cracked iphone or something right. I've not seen Midway. I'm going to bet that it probably pales in comparison.

Dude, I feel like I have to watch this because I'm just looking at the poster. I'm getting real Pearl Harbor. Michael Bay did Pearl Harbor, right? He did, yeah. Yeah. I'm getting real Pearl Harbor vibes from this bit. I remember seeing Pearl Harbor when I was a kid. I must have been in like sixth grade and um i went and watched it myself my parents dropped me off and just let me go see it

thus starting a long a long tradition of me going to movies alone wait so wait so you've always liked history right i know that much but like did you want to see it because you like i mean like i don't know my parents dropped me off to see a movie it'd probably be like pokemon the first one that came out in 2000 like not like i mean pearl harbor was a children's movie it really was it was like a action i swear they could have sold toys off that shit but why did you want to go see that by yourself i'm curious i don't dude i don't know i think it's because um i think it was the yes i think it was the historical aspect of it i respect that dude that's like me see a jurassic park i was like i love dinosaurs yeah what's it rated because i feel like there was some

i just the only the only scene i remember from that movie is Cuba Gooding Jr. getting on like that. Like, shit. You know, I love that shit. I was watching that shit. I was like, yeah. That's the only. It was like black people in World War II fighting for their country. Fighting against fascism only to return home to that exact same kind of fascism

now i also remember uh the dog fights in that movie man yo that movie really did give uh on i mean all movies give an unreal depiction of war i can't think of maybe jarhead was a movie or the hurt locker movies that kind of like you know but like that movie I was like yo that shit was cool that was a righteous war man yeah and so what we had to drop the bob after that well too bad you know what I'm saying like god damn dude oh that's true I do remember there being

a scene I think where they have FDR being dude I'm constructing this all entirely from like 20 years ago well shit i guess it was even more than that it was probably like 25 years ago uh i'm pretty sure there's a scene in that movie where they show fdr plans to bomb pearl harbor that they acquired from the japanese and fdr like waves them away he's like no we'll never

do it and then they do it it's like i don't know what were they trying to say was he trying to make some again this could be entirely not even what happens in the movie i'm trying to remember too but i think see as a kid i was like i just want to see more plays and shit blowing up but actually thinking back to it i think that was michael bay's like like flimsy limp dick way of being like well you know we didn't have to drop you know there's some controversy still about whether we had to drop the bomb or not instead of just being like no this was a horrific thing to fucking do yeah and the people who did it were monsters you know what i mean i guess that is the the only thing you get out of making a pearl harbor movie is you get to show kamikaze pilots like that's really that's the only cool thing that's probably why i wanted to see it

i wanted to see that's the thing dude you wanted to see kamikaze pilots oh dude you know you wanted to see i mean dude it was just i'm not gonna lie to lie. It was, I mean, now, I mean, I guess Top Gun is a better Maverick, right? Because they used real planes. But I don't know. As a kid, I thought the dog fighting was cool. Kamikazes, man, I was with it. Dude, you know, some weird synchronicities. That movie came out in 2001.

The same year that some Kamikaze pilots did a new Pearl Harbor. Within, within what? Yo, I'm actually, yo, within, because I felt i felt like okay i know spider-man the the first one that came out the toby mcguire one i know that the poster had the twin towers on it and they like cut that out i know around that time there was a lot of editing like post edit shit done because like you know people are like oh shit but when did that's bold yo when did that come out? May 2001.

It would have come out like- Yeah, just a few months before. Oh shit, oh well. It couldn't help it then. See, my Spider-Man wouldn't be able to do that. It's like shooting scotch tape. You can't swing between the Twin Towers with scotch tape. Maybe between two trees, not even.

Between two bridges. Oh shit. Damn, man. Man. Yeah. Movies. trees not even it's me too precious oh shit damn man man yeah movies we love them we love the movies man did you see speaking to bring back the big dumb speaking of movies did you watch elvis yet nah i haven't watched elvis yet man oh man you gotta watch it so let me ask you a question does it like does it does it really does it kind of do this white savior sort of i don't want to say white savior because i would hope that the movie is like you know like more i don't know conscious enough to do that but i don't know this is hollywood but does it try to like parse out like his relationship with the black community his inspiration and shit like that does it try to like give like deference to that you know what i mean yeah it does but it's it's so incoherent it's like

truly it's like that's why i like i explained it to you as an amusement park ride actually there is a scene in the movie where elvis gets lost in a hall of mirrors, like a maze of mirrors. And Colonel Parker like appears and leads him out of it. And I feel like. That's pretty fucking heavy. I mean, it's very heavy handed. There's no subtlety to it at all. The whole movie is. Yeah, it's like a wilderness of mirrors.

It's like. It's like there's no coherence to any of it. And like what coherence there is, it's extremely heavy-handed. I don't know if that makes any sense. Do you know if any of his family, like relatives, were involved in making this movie? Not that it would have made it more coherent, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. His daughter, didn't she die earlier this year?

I think so. I don't even know. Because, like, I was telling you in text, man, like, I've never seen, I'm trying to think of a biopic that I've seen and enjoyed. I don't really like biopics, to be honest with you. But I'm trying to think of one I enjoyed and one that was, like, you know, not just uh not uh i don't know i had split opinions i guessed about it but like when you're trying to recreate someone's life it's just like playing a game of telephone you know especially someone as big as elvis i mean most of the movie i mean to me it feels like making a movie about him would be making a movie about like bugs bunny or something

like that you know well not to say he wasn't a real person but it's caricature almost you know what i mean we've lost the biopic of the everyday man like the i say everyday man but like people that aren't godlike celebrities like actually i don't even know if this is based on a true story remember that jonathan demme movie philadelphia uh where denzel washington plays the lawyer for Tom Hanks who is a gay man who has AIDS is that based on a real story I think so I'm saying like we don't make movies like that anymore just kind of like

about normal guys anymore normal guys you know what dude it's either one of two things now that we do bro we either make movies about lincoln or elvis or marilyn monroe and just fuck up and desecrate the memories of these people i mean lincoln whatever i don't care so much but like all these other people right but like either or you'll make a film like judas and the black messiah which is ostensibly about fred hampton

but really it's about the fucking snitch yeah you know what i mean totally that's fucked up man totally i've still not actually got to see that yet it's pretty it's uh it's all right i don't know well i'm conflicting because it's like pretty in there i think that's a good segue into this reading this i think it's a good segue segue into this story i wanted to read uh i wanted to get your insight into it um because this is in the new york times deals with a lot of themes we explore in this show uh and it has at the center center of it a person who i think would make for an interesting probably insufferable character in a mid-sized legal thriller like Philadelphia or something. Or maybe, actually, this would probably make more sense.

Do you know that Michael Haneke movie? Do you know who he is? No, who is that? What movie did he do? He's an Austrian film director. He's made a lot of different movies. He did the movie Funny Games, and then he remade his own movie.

I've heard, is Funny Games that thriller kind of psychological horror movie? Yes, it's great. Like home invasion shit? Yes. Okay, I've heard of this movie. He made a movie in the early 2000s that will absolutely destroy you called The Piano Teacher.

Oh, no. It's got – Oh, they're already that title. It's so innocuous that, like, something belies that it is such a simple title. Just some mania. Okay, what is it? It's got Isabelle Huppert. I've never really known how to say her last name.

I think that's how you say it. And she just plays a piano teacher With some very very weird I always say weird but interesting obsessions I'll just say that She's got some hobbies She's got hobbies I think this guy would probably make for a better

Titular subject Of a movie like that um this is a weird article never heard of this guy before very surprised i've never heard of him before um but this is in the new york times the liberal helping conservatives fight race-based affirmative action for decades richard collenberg has pushed for a class-conscious approach to college admissions he may finally get his wish but it comes at a personal cost dude that's the drama that's what you call a drama is gonna come at a personal cost but hold up though that's also like not to not to like you know uh uh jump the gun here but like i'm just okay we'll read but i'm confused a

class based so what is he saying that like i mean okay i'm approaching this again as a marxist right so race a class or it extremely linked and we'll parse it out but that's this is just so diseased you know this is just like because i mean the what you're saying the alternate what you say is like too many black people are getting into school it's um it is interesting because it kind of i feel like there's been a debate roiling the left for like six years now and the people that can't resolve it have peeled off into this like quote-unquote post-left position um because they can't or won't or are afraid to confront the racism at the heart of american society they're they're they're the people that like oh you're not talking about me i'm not racist i'm not racist it's like bro we're talking about systems but actually now that you say it maybe you

are fucking it's like yeah you're protesting a little too much um right but i like i feel like this kind of distills that in a person who i feel like is kind of outside of those debates because like i was like dude in america there is a person for everything right and like you would read this article you would expect this guy to be a uh like i said like a compact mag reader a post-left guy you know what i'm saying like um i know exactly what you're saying but no he's like not a mainstream not a mainstream msnbc washington post new york times liberal what he is like motherfucker do you listen to Red Scare like in your spare time when you're cooking in your kitchen and some shit like you're a weirdo

what the fuck is this it's like yes you're right this guy uh I was really surprised reading this because I it's a curveball it's like I said but there's drama here man and it's in the New York Times right it's New York Times yeah I'm surprised it's also in the New York Times. I mean, I guess not. Well, like I said, there's drama here because this is a slight tangent. Did you read that Wired profile of Brandon Sanderson, the fantasy writer? Who is that now? I got to read that now.

He's a fantasy writer? He's a fantasy writer he's a fantasy writer he was making the rounds last week because the profile was so bad it made brandon sanderson look um like sympathetic like he's he's fine i've never read his books but i have watched his youtube videos on like plot structure and how to write like like creative writing. But anyways, all of which is to say that in a drama, in a dramatic epic, your main character will go through trials and tribulations, and if he does succeed in pulling off, if your hero does succeed in pulling off what he plans to pull off, it will come at a personal cost.

So this is pure drama, man. At a great personal cost. It could be anything. Yes, it will come at a personal cost. So... Yes, it will. This is pure drama, man. At a great personal cost, it could be anything. Yes, it could be anything. Okay. For the college class he teaches on inequality, Richard D. Kallenberg likes to ask his students about a popular yard sign.

In this house, we believe Black Lives Matter, women's rights are human rights, no human is illegal, science is real it says His students usually dismiss the sign as performative But what bothers Mr. Kallenberg Is not the virtue signaling It says nothing about class he tells them Nothing about labor rights nothing about housing

Nothing that would actually cost upper middle class white liberals a dime So you know fair I mean Yeah I mean fair No notes, brother. Preach on, brother. Go off. Go off, King.

Wait, maybe not King yet. Maybe you're a serf. Who knows yet? Let's see. That's why I read in this article, I was like, what? It's like a quarter of the way through, you're like, wait, what? Okay, okay. I'm intrigued. Since picking up a memoir of Robert F. Kennedy at a garage sale his senior year of high school,

Mr. Kallenberg, 59, has cast himself as a liberal champion of the working class. For three decades, his work, largely at a progressive think tank, has used empirical research and historical narrative to argue that the working class has been left behind. Well, you don't need any empirical evidence for that if you were a marxist you wouldn't need empirical evidence to show that exactly if you were an adult if you were a grown-up in the room it would be fucking writing bullshit fucking well i guess he doesn't reason write this but you wouldn't have be having a bullshit op-ed or articles written about you in the New York Times. Right. That same research led him to a conclusion that has proved highly unpopular within his political circle, that affirmative action is best framed not as a race issue, but as a class issue.

So again, it's like I think that there are – I do think that in affirmative action, I do think we should be taking class into account, obviously. We shouldn't be letting poor working kids get picked off by, like, military recruiters and stuff. Exactly. Exactly. Or, I mean, just because you're from a well-to-do black family, I don't necessarily think that means that you should get passed over on somebody who's of lower socioeconomic means right exactly but but but this is what i'm this is what i'm kind of like all right so i don't really understand it from i don't remember i don't get any of this shit sometimes right so most of the time i'm talking to my ass but from what i do know though doesn't affirmative action also benefit like poor white people right it but i mean not not

like i mean none of this shit is ever enough but like am I wrong about that or that's a great question actually I actually don't know the answer to that but I think I think you're right I think you are correct I mean I don't know how robust it was I don't know how rigorously they pursued that

but I do think that it wasn't exclusively limited to black americans it was just marketed by advocates and even by detractors as a race-based policy yes yes that's exactly right okay okay so maybe this guy actually no i don't know man i'll see now i'm like does this guy have a point and then i'll have to remember that three quarters of the way through i'm gonna be like what the reason you will be like what is because the people and the organizations that he deploys this argument in service to that's that's where you're like okay oh yeah because okay okay you're for the conservative. Okay, okay. Oh, God. The liberal mind is so diseased. Yeah, it's in the headline, but it is a doozy. Race-conscious affirmative action, while it may be well-intentioned, does just the opposite, he says, aligning with the interest of wealthy students and creating racial animosity.

With class-conscious affirmative action, will there be people in Scarsdale who are annoyed that working-class people are getting a break? Probably, he said in an interview. Well, I don't know what Scarsdale is. Do you know what that is? No, is that in New York? I think it's in New York, right? Maybe, maybe it's a university.

Is it a university? What the fuck is he talking about? I don't know. But the vast majority of Americans support the idea, and you see it across the political spectrum. His advocacy has brought him to an uncomfortable place. The Supreme Court is widely expected to strike down race-conscious affirmative action this

year in cases against Harvard and UNC. He has joined forces with the plaintiff, Students for Fair Admissions, run by a conservative activist. The group has paid him as an expert witness and relied on his research to support the idea that there is a constitutional race neutral alternative to the status quo bro yo this is this is why these this is why he's a liberal he truly is a liberal right despite like

you know i'm sure this guy doesn't call himself a socialist or marxist or anything but despite his focus on class consciousness these dumb fucking liberals always think that you could go to republicans and conservatives you know what i'm saying yeah that's some sort of embrace of unity and you're just helping the bad guys get what they want but for different reasons that are opposed to the reasons that you want you fucking goon that is an excellent point that is an excellent point his ideas do not make him a liberal. That is why ultimately post-leftists are also ultimately liberals because they also think you can ally with the right in some way. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Whether it's like Haas or any of these other like – I guess you could call them like class reductionists.

The patriotic socialists is what they call themselves. Yes, that's the one. Those padstock people. You're right. That is actually an excellent metric for determining if you are liberal. If you think in the back of your mind, there is a bridgeable distance here. There is a way to work. We could go out and have ice cream and get lunch together

and hold hands and sit by the lake and feed ducks and feed swans fucking losers and look i want to be clear that's not to say like that's not to say like i'm not talking about the delineation between like because yo where we live dog there's plenty of conservative people right like in a black community there's plenty of black conservatives i know i'm talking about people who have who are ideologues who have like a political program not somebody who just voted for team red right yeah yeah yeah no that's that's what's a liberal liberalism person thinks you can team up with those people who literally would have put you to death not just your not just your constituents but put you to death yeah they would have had you that is exactly right you're right you're right because yeah there is

political utility yeah i mean you're right like where we live we can't afford to have those kind of uh strictures on our um social lives and other stuff like that but you're right like once you enter like the political arena yeah you're a market of ideas the market of ideas yeah um that alliance he fucked up the bag dude that alliance has cost him his position as a senior fellow at the century foundation no the century foundation the that sounds evil yeah is that a progressive think tank it is a liberal leaning think tank where he had found a home for 24 years. Critics dispute... Fucked up the bag, buddy. I know, he fucked up the bag, man. Critics dispute everything from his statistics

to his rosy outlook on politics. They say that the concept of race-neutral diversity underestimates how racism is embedded in American life. They say that class-conscious affirmative action will bring its own set of problems as universities try to maintain high academic standards i don't really know what that that sounds like you're trying to call poor people dumb yo fuck this writer first of all because it's the new york times so fuck this writer actually is he saying that the guy's saying that or is this the writer's words writing

that or is he saying other people he's saying other people are saying like his critics are saying that so i have to imagine that his critics are also probably like there are some stupid ones among his critics um he says i think people will have to come around because class will be the only game in town it's so weird to hear someone say that who's not like a social this sounds yeah this sounds like something to copy just to tweet on twitter it like birdie 420 some shit like that hammered sick it's so lame dude what are you saying that's what class is the only game around also it actually is i guess because it's all but you know what i mean he's trying to say like well we need to think before they do we need to think and grab a class politics before they do it's like motherfucker they know yeah they're trying

to defeat class politics you know what i mean it is it's that's why it's like creates this uncanny thing because it's a guy that's not plugged into these like rose emoji type online discourses you know what i mean yeah yeah but he's like he's whispering though he's speaking he is you're right the rose emoji whisperer i think i think though as you dive into his conscious like as you dive into his psychology like you start to understand why he's so obsessed with this um again that's why he's ripe he's a ripe character for a michael haneke type uh uh psychological exploratory like legal document like the the psychological sort of thriller? Yes, yes, yes.

When he looks in the mirror and sees someone else who is not him. Exactly. So the Harvard, this section is titled The Harvard Legacy. Mr. Kallenberg's own life shows the complicated calculus of college admissions. He grew up in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, a suburb of St. Paul, where his father was a liberal Presbyterian minister and his mother was on the school board. His father had gone to Harvard,

and when he came of age, so did he. His grandfather paid for his college tuition. Decades later, he seemed... This guy knows a lot about class. Just put that out there. This is what he says. He says he says decades later he seemed a little defensive about possibly having benefited from the tip that harvard gives to the children of alumni this will sound incredibly insecure or something but i was gratified that i got into yale and princeton because it made me feel like okay it wasn't just legacy hopefully he said

oh yale and princeton as opposed opposed to Harvard holy shit yo what's like okay as this next section will sort of elucidate he's like he became exposed to the incredible class warfare ideas of not Fidel Castro not Lennon lot not rose luxembourg or mark stringles but class warrior robert f kennedy oh my god dude yo dude bro bro first of all not even not even fdr dog like even if you were to be an american social democrat if you were to bring back those days like robert fk i mean okay i also don't know anything about this guy yo i'll just know he got like his fucking top knocked off you know what i mean that's all i know like his brother but okay i'm gonna i'm gonna understand why rfk not jfk yeah not rfk yeah um around the time he

was accepted to harvard he was smitten by a memoir of RFK by the village voice smitten. KSO. Mr. Kallenberg wrote his senior thesis on Kennedy's campaign for president, and today, a nicked and scratched poster of his idol hangs in his study at home. At Harvard, Mr. Kallenberg was surrounded

by immense wealth, he recalled. I didn't feel like an outsider. I was second generation Harvard. I was upper middle class, he recalled. I didn't feel like an outsider. I was second-generation Harvard. I was upper-middle class, and a lot of my friends went to boarding school. But his roommate, who came from more modest circumstances, helped educate me on the idea that working-class white people had a raw deal in this country, too. Why is he saying white people?

It's just... Yeah! See, that's... Dude! Go ahead, go ahead. What were you going to say? I was just going to say it's this weird it's this weird thing that i'm this probably what you're gonna say too is this weird idea that white is not also a race right yes yes

yes yes or like we have to delineate between all right man like dude like i don't know even to say that no i will say that like people who live like know, in places that have been deindustrialized, right? Like, white, poor white communities. I will say that they have, like, as a group of people, I mean, that experience is its own experience, right? And I will say that they, people have been, obviously, we talk about this on the fucking show, right? People have been left out and bamboozled and all that shit, right? But whenever people use that word usually like the white working class you know what i mean it just makes me feel weird man it just makes me get them like

stress right like it's like a spidey sense like a stress right sense you know i mean saying my like my like hair stand up on the end and i'm like why do you have to delineate between that you know well that's the thing it's i don't know quite i don't quite know how to articulate this but it's like every time they talk about the the dangers of like identity politics or are confronting race it's only ever oriented towards every race that isn't white as if white wasn't also a race that has its own lived experience and that there are class experiences built into that you know know what I'm saying? It undertones.

I know what you're saying. And they are playing identity politics themselves. Yes, they are. They absolutely are. Well, listen to this next paragraph. Mr. Kallenberg studied government and went on to Harvard Law School where he wrote a paper about class-based affirmative action advised by who other than Alan Dershowitz.

Oh, my God. So when Alan Dershowitz was taking off time from going to FC's Island and shit like that, he was on the plane going to Little St. James. He was editing his fucking papers. He was editing his papers. Yeah, probably had him with him on the plane. He probably was on the plane. All right, so see which road is really good.

Yeah, I'll join you guys in a minute. I've got to finish up work for my most promising student. I've got to finish up this work for a bit. I'll join you with the child slave dungeon. The paper inspired him. It's unclear here if it's inspired Dershowitz or Kallenberg. It's unclear. I guess it's kallenberg the paper inspired him to write his influential 1996 book the remedy which developed his theory that affirmative action had set back race relations by becoming a racial antagonism can i just say

something real quick terrence when you said the what is it called what's the name of the remedy for some reason bro i know it's a from a completely different a dialectical spectrum but i just thought of the like a title like the bell curve and some shit like that yo like i don't know man it's not a good vibe title man i just typed it in and it brought up that jason moran song the remedy yeah remember him do you remember Jason Mraz? He was a Bernie bro, by the way. No. He was? Yeah. Okay.

Shout out to Jason Mraz. The Remedy. Very ominous title, though. The Final Solution. Like, what? What are you saying? He says, If you want working class white people to vote their race,

there's probably no better way to do it than to give explicitly racial preferences in deciding who gets ahead in life. If you want working class whites to vote their class, you would try to remind them that they have a lot in common with working class black and Hispanic people. Well, I mean, that's, there is true to the second part of the statement. That's true. I genuinely don't think that the first part of the statement is true. I think that like, I mean, I really don't just because like working class white people

just don't really vote, period. You know what I mean? Yeah, they don't vote. I mean, most working people don't vote, period. But especially like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right.

The book caused a stir in part because of the timing. California voters adopted a ban on affirmative action in college public colleges and universities that same year um today as in the mid-90s polls show that a majority of people oppose race conscious college admissions even as they support racial diversity public opinion may not always be right but surely it should be considered when developing public policy i didn't know that did you know that all right so so so so let me let me ask you a question so during the civil rights movement when most

white people were asked how they felt about dr king's actions and those of the civil rights uh organizers and protesters and most white people said nah like we should let the cops fuck them up and shit so we should use that to let that inform public policy like what are you talking like yo i get i get this warding warding off of like, see, this happens when you like try to overcorrect. Right. I get this warding off of like woke ism of liberal identity politics of like, you know, like the conservatives will say, well, the left, they're the they're the ones that care about race. Right. But like what you end up doing is that you center things that have a historical precedent and, like, explicitly leaving people out, right? Right.

And discriminating against them, right? Because, I mean, like, white is the fucking default, dude. You know what I mean? Like, that's not even an opinion. That's just, like, I don't know how you go about affirmative action, but saying class conscious and including words like white working class just gives me really icky vibes, man. Well. I don't know.

I can't explain it. Well, the reason why is because look at how it's deployed. This is really fascinating. An uneasy alliance. Edward Bloom, the conservative activist behind the lawsuits against Harvard and UNC, said Mr. Kallenberg came to his attention when the remedy was published.

The focus on class seemed like a powerful bridge between the left and the right, Mr. Bloom said. I mean, like, that kind of gives it away right there. It's like if you don't have an analysis of class that goes beyond just that, like, there are poor people and they're left out of the political process and there's inequality and stuff. and and furthermore that like they're the way that they navigate the social world of america isn't um wholly determined by their race uh if you leave that all out then yeah you're gonna have an analysis of class that can be co-opted by the right and could be used for that so it's like that's that's just that we don't that's not even a conjecture we know that because that's what they say it's what they say right here and that's and that's not even a conjecture. We know that because that's what they say. It's what they say right here. And that's, and that's literally what's happening.

We saw that happen in 2016, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Um, if we're going to agree on one thing, he said, it is that colleges and universities should consider lowering the bar a little bit for kids from disadvantaged backgrounds who are maybe the first in their family to attend college.

I don't know who would be against that. He said, that's the unifying theme that Rick Kallenberg, he's the grandfather of it, or the godfather, sorry. He's the godfather. You'll come to me on the day of my daughter's admission into Harvard. Because of affirmative action.

Let's see Anyways There are those who think that Mr. Kallenberg Is being used by Mr. Bloom Who has made a specialty of challenging laws That he believes confer advantages Or disadvantages by race He orchestrated a lawsuit that led to the Supreme Court Gutting a key section of the Voting Rights Act

And was responsible for litigation Against the University of texas charging discrimination against a white applicant which failed oh my god um dr laycock of the university of virginia i love that name i don't lay pot i don't lay pipe, I lay cock, motherfucker. Excellent name. That's a great name. Excellent. We've been reading some weird names, but that's a great one, man. Expects that once the Supreme Court rules, conservative groups that are now promoting race-neutral alternatives

will claim they are racial proxies and turn against them. Of course they will. Everybody knows that's why it's being used, he said. Mr. Bloom says his group will not wink wink that other conservative groups could do so sure um my god dude uh these people are roobs absolutely they're fucking absolutely truly rude man i mean it's the same kind of energy that like that like um that john stewart and liberals like him have a similar kind of energy where they think that they can parse out the contradictions of conservatives you know

and point them out as hypocrites and it's like thinking that you can navigate like their baser instincts which comprise their entire political ideology right like they're just omnicide they're omnicidal death death like you don't say like death squad like i don't know i mean like like a death call i mean like i don't know what you think you're going to be able to get out of this because okay when they get rid of race-based affirmative action make a class-based affirmative action then what other what other spheres of public life exactly where are they going to restrict exactly like where are they going to turn their guns next because that's what they are that's what they fucking do they're going to turn their guns somewhere next it's like a cancer yo they just metastasize until the next issue the

next issue the next issue until from every single sphere of like life yo you're right like it's this assumption that like once they get what they want they'll stop we're seeing this everywhere right now that they they will never stop until life is exterminated bro they literally literally we were talking about this last week right saying we need to eradicate transgenderism right yeah it's not even no more that we can't have drag we don't have what uh child drag shows or whatever like that right or we don't have a drag performance at children's like libraries and shit like that right or we don't even want to like it's just now we have to exterminate these people like what do you think is the next logical conclusion right but of course these people are rude so they don't fucking get they don't they don't they

they fundamentally misunderstand the what is at the the foundation like what is at the root of their project it's fat dude i don't know it's really fascinating it's it's a pathology yo it's like literally it's just understanding that okay these people are homicidal it's like a bear coming at you that has no other instinct but to rip you limb from limb. And you're like a baby with like a rattle. Do it, man. Dude, you're right. Get out of the way, baby.

Run, baby. Dude, you're right. It's like... It's a bear baby. Like, you can't... You're not gonna fucking reason with the fucking grizzly. No. It's like... If it's a brown bear i'll probably be more scared of you than you know what i'm saying but no seriously though well these people are fundamentally not human i mean in the sense that like their ideas are

anti-human i don't know man this is a really fascinating thing that like i think um is obviously really relevant right now um you've got in Kentucky, they just passed, in Kentucky and West Virginia, they just passed new anti-trans bills that make it impossible to get gender-affirming care for, I think, teenagers, that make it to where teachers don't have to use your pronouns,

preferred pronouns in school. Basically that encourage cruelty at every step of. And eradication essentially like a social death before they actually try to. It's exactly correct. It's a social death. Jesus fucking Christ dude. And it's a social death um and it's it's absolutely um genocidal like obviously all the all of the expected things that we could say about it and have said about it before

but it comes like with these sort of ideological weights that are interesting like i was talking with someone uh i share an office with the other day and she was telling me about how there was a conference held recently with like betsy devos and was it eric prince oh god those people yeah that was the former secretary of education to trump right yeah and they were talking about like the reason like their reasoning behind all of these the anti-trans bills. And this won't be surprising to you if you grew up in an evangelical household or whatever. But their reasoning is that America is not Christian enough.

And therefore, that's why God has not come back yet. Or Jesus, not God, but Jesus. Oh, my God, dude. It's like... Because we haven't fulfilled our piety yet. Yeah. And proved our spiritual worth. Yeah.

And the thing. So we need to bathe in the blood of Jesus Christ. That's dominion shit. That's dominion and shit. Well, that's what it is. Dominionism. But I feel like it's paired. Me and Tom were kind of trying to talk about this yesterday and then my computer died.

And so we didn't really get to fully get into it. get into it but it's paired with this kind of like economic push on the right towards smaller and smaller units of like economic and political control like you saw this to me the best example is how like an idaho um how in idaho they recently passed a law that said you can't leave the state for abortions to get an abortion i remember seeing that um which is i think like people pointed out like a violation of like the commerce clause of the constitution like uh yeah something like states get to trade or something like that like or yeah exchange goods or some shit right exactly exchange goods and i think the implications of that is like you can't also restrict the movement of people between the states as well or among the states as well.

But I think that like what they're pushing for is, like I said, it's like smaller. So we call it like dominionism. Like there is like a religious component to it. But I think it is also helpful to think of dominionism as an economic project. Like where it's like. Dominionist fiefdoms almost, man. That's exactly right. They're trying to create like fortress states

where the state is basically a fucking labor camp where every aspect of your personal freedom is slowly stripped away from you, from gender affirmation, from who you love from what you uh want to do um in your free time to i mean you know what i'm saying like every and surveilled yo think about think about city think about cities like uh ferguson right or we've talked about the city before man um and when we were talking about civil forfeiture about the city in alabama i think like that where like i mean like they were just like robbing the fucking people right i mean you know about this

right and cops being heavily militarized and it's like yeah man like i don't know i've never lived in a small town but like you know like sort of like in the past couple years like in like just reading more about like police violence police brutality and sort of like living in the south just realizing that like man if you're like a sheriff of a small town or some shit like that or like a mayor of a small town you can run that shit like your own fief totally and it's insane you know totally and i could only imagine like you know like oh they're just kind of like instead of building one big wall around the country they're just gonna build walls around i mean we already do that right totally gated communities Yeah, I think, yeah, they're trying to break it down

into smaller and smaller units like that. And that gets back to what we were talking about a second ago. If you fundamentally misunderstand that like, what these people want is to strip every last remaining semblance of personal freedom that you have as a human being, the things that bring you joy and love and laughter and happiness and contentment and all these other things. It's like, if you misunderstand that that's their project, like...

They're antithetical to life. It's antithetical to life. Like, literally, I said this to Tom the other day. Like, one episode, they're antithetical to life. Like, I mean... They are. Dude, you don't even have to go into the way that they, you know, look at the climate. Right.

I mean, we're talking about like conservatives. I mean, I would say liberals, conservatives, too. But forget even about those issues of like the mass death of millions of people. Right. I mean, they just don't want people. Dude, I said this before, you know, but when when the cop city shit, I think it was a couple of weeks ago when there was the march back to rebuild the encampment. And there was a music festival going on that weekend and the next day right after that there were children with uh um people with their

parents with their children and families and pets and stuff i mean they went in there and just like raided everything and tore it down and pointed a gun in a bouncy house yeah i mean think about that image of like a guy pointing an officer pointing a gun in a bouncy house yeah i mean think about that image of like a guy pointing an officer pointing a gun in a bouncy house that's meant they don't want people to enjoy themselves no no they don't want you to be have fun and live man i you know i honestly and again i said this to tom yesterday too but like i i really do think that like you have to understand the stakes of this and the implications of what's happening because some a big thing that is occurring in of course we like view history as this dialectical clash of classes right and then

that pushes history forward it propels it but like you know and i don't know if Mark said like a well thought out schematic for this too, but we have to also understand that like ideas do play a role in this, that like there is an interplay between like ideas and social movements and modes of production. And I think that if you look at what's going on right now in the tech world and in philosophy, you start to see that there is a general question that has arisen over who and what, and I say this in reference to AI, is human. and what, and I say this in reference to AI, is human.

And so I think that if you look back at the last time this question was so fraught and prevalent in discourse, it really was in the early 20th century when you had eugenics, you had like phrenology, you had these various ideas, darwinism you had these various and what was happening socially economically at the time too like the complete rape of like you know africa and asia man exactly right exactly and the like the stratifying or not just a stratifying but the compartmentalizing the creation of race yes yes as you're saying phrenology right right and i think that like i think that there's a similar thing sort of happening right now.

And I think that people on the right are using that to, especially people like Peter Till and J.D. Vance or whatever, they're using that to perform their own vision of humanity and human nature and like what humans are. And, uh, and I think it's extraordinarily bleak. I think it's extraordinarily anti-human. Um, and I think that it's playing out in all these state legislatures that we're

seeing. I guess I'm not articulating myself completely, completely concretely. Maybe it's, maybe it's a little vague right now, but I know. good no you go ahead no no i know exactly what you're saying man because i think about this shit too uh quote as a black person tm but like seriously as a black dude who loves science fiction right and like you know these themes of stranger in a strange land right which is why like every black person everybody should be in a science fiction but

especially if you're a member of a marginalized community. Right. I mean, this is why I think like we see queer science fiction. Right. Like works by Ursula K. Le Guin or Samuel R. Delaney. But like like whether it's capitalism grinding people down. Right. And like dehumanizing them and using them as like automatons or whether it's like that defining about like what is what life what is life and what worth is like preserving. Right. It really is like you see that with technology too, where we like, we're not we, because we're not dumbasses, but like the same tech bros who are like working on this shit are so ready to attribute human qualities, right?

To this AI, right? While at the same time, they can't fucking say someone's pronoun, right? Yeah. They want to complain about that, right? And it's just like, oh my god jack gbt wants to come out of the computer take over the world but pronouns oh my god that terrifies me right and it's just like dude like this is this is what this is like kind of like what i've like you know this is my

hobby horse i've been saying but like truly and i guess you're adding to it too you're making me think about it truly this continuity and like focus on the focus of the continuity of human life but what they see is human life right right so because in their minds right trans people right are not in their minds are not able to produce right are not able to socially reproduce right well shit that means this is the end of not not just our ideology of our country but the human bloodline right the future right exactly dude psycho you're right and that's why i think that they fall back on this they fall back so much on this ideology of biology and blood um and that's why the ai

question is an interesting one uh i'm like shit we can't do phrenology on the ai i don't got a head yes we can't do right we can't do right like what drops right blood science on the ai you know so we gotta make up black people instead like they made that fucking black rapper who could say nigga people got mad about it yeah it's dude go ahead go ahead no you're good no yo i just want to give it aside man i don't know if i said this i hope i didn't repeat this one episode but like dude and i want to go through the whole plot. But I read this amazing fucking short story in this anthology that I've been talking about. And, like, basically, like, dude, it's this, like, undescribed genocide that happens of black people, right?

And because white people feel so guilty for doing it, right, they create black androids and robots. But then they have to send the black robots away because they not only become black but human right you know what i'm trying to say yeah so it's like it's like the further and further that like something that you abhor as like non-human becomes human and you resist the pretending that you've been doing the story's called the pretenders you can't maintain the illusion anymore you start to have a psychic crack or then you go like okay no we have to genocide these exactly right and then forms of control in policing and then ultimately genocide arise from that that is it that is a very fascinating way to look at it and i think

that you're ultimately right it's that distance that gives that that imbues this like fear and fraughtness to it that they that they start sort of frantically trying to have to like control and like i said their mechanism for doing that is breaking forms of governance and political systems down into smaller and smaller parts um and you see it in the way that they talk about like the natural national divorce and all this like they they don't think they want that what they actually want is a sort of wait what is the national divorce the balkanization is that what mary barger that's what she was talking about well that's what that's what i was going to say like they want a balkanization they don't want

like a uh north versus south like old school civil war thing they want a complete balkanization down to the i mean it is futile in the sense that i don't think there would be any larger overarching governing body it would just be all like little fiefdoms where they can enact their own insane uh ideologies out on those people and then try to extract as much surplus from them using whatever remnants there are left of capitalist mode of production so it's like people you know you call it like i mean there is controversy over that word like techno neo-feudalism or whatever but maybe you don't maybe it doesn't have to have the word feudalism in it maybe it is something entirely new but regardless like they have to

find a way to get surplus out of that population because that is ultimately what they're going to try to do. But those those two forces are at odds. So it's like because they have an exterminationist policy or worldview, but they also know that like to keep things moving, you have to have a mode of production. And they have to have a serve. They have to, like, this kind of underclass, right? Yeah. Like, the surplus, right, that they can use, right? Right. So, it's like, yeah, man, yo, that's such a good point, man.

Because, like, it's also, like, okay, so, like, you know, hypothetically speaking, how would your fiefdoms be sustainable, right? Right. You know what I mean? Like, how would they, because also there's that, there's that desire to expand. And that's another contradiction, too, right? Like, this desire to expand, but at the same time to like kind of like i mean this is why again i mean this is i think one of the undercurrents for what we're saying is that this is not only an antithetical to life political ideology but it is like it is like um um intrinsically like um

the center cannot hold right yeah it's not it's not it can't hold it i'm forgetting the word for it right but it's unstable right you know it's inherently unstable you're right well and again i think that also describes why they are so obsessed with limiting the movement of people like this is all it's all tied together like limiting people's like access to health care in the form of like gender affirming care and then limiting their own um uh limiting their own conceptions of self and and uh their own own you know realizations of who they are and limiting their movement and also what they can and can't do with their body you know I think that these are all linked things and so it's like keeping people geographically bound, keeping them psychologically bound.

I mean, I think that that is the general trend here. There's a through line to all these various things, I guess is what I'm saying. Even a right to work. There's control. Yeah, even to, I mean, I said right to work, but yes, right to work, but even to like these child labor laws that they've been signing in.

Yes, dude, because then they're like, damn, right, man. Well, like we've already like, you know, created a created a social death but all right there's still kids being born exactly we're gonna do the same thing to them but we have to squeeze out every like a stone we have to squeeze out every last bit of labor before they become like so completely just disoriented and dissociated from human life yes that they either leave a mellus you know what i'm saying or they like i don't know or they become a mellus they become the child in the uh in the dungeon in that story 100 when i think that's 100 jesus christ dude no it's god man like that's the like that's the vision like that's what they want and so it's like comical when you look at like stories like this and this guy or not comical that's not the

right word like bleak farcical uh farcical farcical when you look at like stories like this guy like thinking that he can in some way advance his own agenda by allying with people that as soon as they get what they want they'll turn the fucking guns on him bro it's like the same it's sort of a similar i mean this is like i mean for me personally this is even worse right because uh but i mean you mean, you know, skin folk and kin folk, people like Candace Owens, right? You know what I'm saying? Black conservatives, right? And it's like, dog, you ever heard of the day to rope?

What do you think is going to happen after they hang all of the black people, all of the race traitors, all of the people that they don't like? You think it's going to be like, nah, I wanted the good ones. No, you're a fucking moron if you think that. No, yeah. This is not going to happen, bro. I think another thing, going into this last paragraph, and we'll close it out right there,

but this last paragraph is fascinating. Because earlier you said a hallmark of the liberal is thinking that they can work with reactionaries, conservatives. I also think a hallmark of a liberal is someone who is completely debilitated by their own guilt to the part to the point that it um it becomes the sort of pathological thing that like rules everything about them and they have to absolve themselves of their own guilt so they never end up doing anything productive about it well and that and that to me kind of gets at the usefulness of a like a dialectical uh a materialism like a materialist way of looking at things because to me that says like if you have a guilt complex about something

that you have um seen the world in terms of like these empirical statistics and um facts of life rather than as processes and social relations that are in constant motion and that have to be reproduced along with the sort of mode of production. And resolved in a dialectical process. Exactly, exactly. Because he says here, he says, I do have some measure. Okay, wait, let me see. Let me read this last paragraph in that spirit his stubborn campaign might be traced to being the son of a pastor whose family could afford to make him a harvard graduate twice i do have some measure of class guilt he said i wish people who are far

richer than i am had more class guilt so that's that's just still you should have just led with that bro you should have said i feel bad about being not being but about going to harvard and well all i feel bad man this is fucked up i'm gonna do something to help and then you end up overcompensating right come on dog i mean i feel bad this is bad poor people can't go to wait poor white people can't go to school why are you making me feel bad he'd do a lot better if he just gave those people money yeah you know he just gave like i say bro what you can do is give people money you'll give them nuclear armaments what i love the people need i love that i wish the people richer than me would have more class guilt it's like i don't know man i'm kind of starting to think the opposite

like if really rich people started to get class guilt we would start seeing some probably insane pathological shit oh dude we would see the craziest they'd be like okay what we need to do is we need to take all these people from this neighborhood and put them in a rocket and send them into space because it would be better off for them we'll find billions of dollars yes and that's the pathology of it right you have to look at that because guilt is not a constructive emotion it's a destructive emotion so it's like in the end it'll only wind up in eradicating or eliminating the things that bring you guilt that made you get exactly that's what that's like the story i told y'all like last week i said the space trade is that you sell all the niggas to the moon

then bro you said all the niggas in the space bro because then you have to think about it but like they'll have better lives though dude that is amazing fucking fucking yo these people terrify me bro yo bro these people terrify me like i'm already terrified about the future and everything but then like people like this you know the political future like people think that oh we could work with the right you know, in the political future, people think that, oh, we could work with the right. You know? God, man. Fucking psychos. Yeah, it's not happening.

It's not happening, folks. It's not happening, folks. Not happening, folks. That shit not happening. That shit's not happening. Oh, shit. Well, I thought that was a fascinating little article. I was going to read you either that one or there's an essay in the New York Times about do you live in a tight state or a loose state?

What the fuck that mean, yo? Tight state, bro. I live in a tight state. I got a tight state, bro. I be doing the Kegels. My shit tight. Yeah, my state's gripping. My state be gripping.

That thing gripping. Oh, shit, son. Before we sign off, I just want to bring attention to something that you and I were laughing about earlier today, which is that the president of the, what fucking union was that? There's a police union in, was it LA?

LA, I think, right? Was it LA? Why can't I find that now? It's like you always bookmark shit and then it's never there. Why is that the case? Why isn't Elon on that? Why do I bookmark shit? Elon, what are you doing, bro?

Disappearing my bookmarks, man. It's the Sanose cop union president she was busted for smuggling fentanyl into the country uh jesus christ and it wasn't just like small amounts of fentanyl dude she was like ordering it to her house and some tony montana it was tony montana shit it's like and you saw the messages she was like she was like uh yo uh two cops got shot last night so i was traveling but i'll get you your pills two cops got shot in the light of duty of holding the law protecting the law below let me get you these illegal drugs that kill people real quick and as people were pointing out it's like hmm she sure

didn't have any problem handling fentanyl as police officers. Didn't seem to have any seizures. She didn't have, no seizures reported handling this fentanyl. Dude, this is the kind of shit where it's like, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Right? Like, I'm not crazy. Like, this is insane. Because we've talked about that before, right?

Like, we talked about, like, on some parapolitical shitolitical shit like man where's all this fennel coming from like you brought that up like why would they just want to poison the drug supply right and now we know we have fucking cops trafficking that they're traffic they're actively trafficking it into the country i love that hold up what is go ahead go ahead no i i love that uh text message may 2nd 2022 i'm so sorry it's like you know like when you ghost someone and like you hit them up the next day like oh i'm so sorry dude my bad i fell asleep and you know i didn't hear my phone but like that statement that it has this sentence in it i'm so sorry I'm on a business trip because we had two officers that got shot! Exclamation point.

First of all, I'm on a business trip. I know it's not vacation, but because two officers got shot, doesn't mean that you wouldn't be close to the scene

of the, you know what happened? You know what I'm saying? Like, what are you going to the Bahamas to buy these motherfuckers in the hospital? Like,

yep. Did you go to cop drugs when they were in the hospital she's going to cop drugs i love this stuff this is awesome dude this is like texting at all like she clearly didn't think she'd get caught sorry i had 50 new officers starting today so i've been tied up all morning i'll be back in the office within an hour and take care of all of it any news on the soma bro this is i feel like this is also just i don't know how old this woman is right but i also feel like this is just like like like i mean i don't know man like i don't know you try to be discreet about shit you know what i'm saying i mean you assume their text messages no one's gonna see them you know but if i'm doing like a drug deal if i'm trying to cop for my boy i'm not like hey man can i grab any of that blah blah blah blah

blah exactly this much you know i'm like yo you got but she's like literally just yes exactly there's no mistake what she's talking about you know what it is plain as day she said so i need to send you nine hundred dollars for the orange pills that are on their way are they on their way my family member is going on vacation so i want to give her enough to last but that is going to make me short. Do you know when they're coming? How much fucking drugs are you giving your family member? $900 worth of orange pills? Bro, this is insane, man. This is more like Walter White, if like, you know. Yeah.

If Walter White and Hank, his brother-in-law, were two characters. Right, yeah, one character, if they were just combined into one character. Joanne Segovia is her name. I love it. Also, too, I think she... God, where is it?

Where it says what she tried to smuggle them in as. I think she tried to smuggle them in as, like, wedding goodies and stuff like that. Yes, party favors. Candies. Yo, bro, so these motherfuckers are complaining about like fentanyl into candy during halloween and they putting fentanyl into candy they're the ones putting fentanyl in the candy see you can't trust the fucking cops bro as someone no as someone pointed out there's a tweet from the san jose police officers association the the organization she

was running says fentanyl is a serious threat to our community even if you know your teen is drug free please inform them of this story it could save their lives or the lives of their friends this this tweet was from 2020 but because she ran that union you would have to imagine she might be doing it social media she might have typed that very tweet herself she might have typed it with a smile man and it said do it a smile but like a brick i don't even know what federal color looks at physically but like a brick or bottles of fat new shit and pills all around her man well dude it's like dead press said it's like dead predal prez always said uncle sam is the motherfucking pusher man he's a pusher man dog it's true no conspiracies here no conspiracies here also

too like this is another reason why police union shouldn't exist yeah yeah oh dude i'm just police but police unions man she didn't even get fired she just got like suspended with pay or something bro i think it was robert skavala like it said some shit like yo like being a cop it is like you traffic federal and you just get suspended with leave or some shit like that i don't know she got leave but might as well this shit just set on vacation dog she's a she's a you know the guys that you guys are obsessed with catching right yeah drug dealers the traffickers she's one of them she's one of them you know oh god. That's insane, dude. Pretty ridiculous.

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