Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 318: Cop City On A Hill

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

Recorded 11/22/23. Clips used in this week's ep (content warning): Annihilation Choir, State Department employee Stuart Seldowitz, and NSC spokesman John Kirby. Listen to Part 2 of this episode at Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

As long as it works. What did you say, Tom? When you hear kung fu fighting, you're totally... I was just saying, when you hear those bells, it's either going to be the hardest shit you ever heard in your life or some anti-Asian racism on film. It's always either one or two. Did you guys see the video that the IDF produced

where they were trying to emulate the al costum videos and they like there was just videos of them going through empty alleys just shooting at no one and nothing like shooting garbage shooting garbage where they set up the uh the soda can or the beer can in the backyard and fired at it. Like, yeah, like if I wanted to see if I wanted to see some 19 year old like hopped up on like monster energy drinks, just shoot at empty beer cans. I'd go to Midland, Texas. I don't need to fucking watch. Like, I don't need to watch Israeli soldiers like, you know, combing through back alleys, just shooting at ghosts, essentially.

You know what I think is interesting? Somebody, I think somebody on Twitter had said to put, like, I guess some context, like a social context into it, is that not only are, I think, over 90, 80 or 90 percent, I know that's a big variation, but an overwhelming number of hamas fighters are actually orphans right which makes sense and also yeah they're either zoomers or millennials right so like it's like the way i see it is like the idf's propaganda is uh directed towards an american audience who really likes harry potter really Star Wars. I mean, these are people who are at the whole infantilization culture. And meanwhile, like,

Hamas is doing shit, like, with, like, fucking Fallout memes and shit, you know? That, like, appealed to, like, you know, like a... I don't know, like, I guess, like, a broader base of people, I guess. I'm gonna be honest with you. When Hezbollah kind of signaled they were gonna maybe jump in

this and they did that edit to crazy train yeah I never thought I'd see the day Hezbollah is more dialed into your average middle American and their tastes than than the IDF so Todd is what you're saying is uh you know people said that Obama or Bush well they were the kind of guys you would want to sit down and have a beer with uh would you would you sit down and have a beer with uh is it an army of joe the plumbers listen i'll tell you this if we hadn't been pumped full of like like just being terrified of the arabic language and and muslim society in general, if all things being equal, I guarantee you your average fucking, you know, union pipe feeder would rather sit down

with a couple of Hamas boys than some fucking, you know, freak from the Rhine Valley that loves techno and, you know, stole somebody else's house. Maybe he can even enlighten by the word of Allah, you know. Honestly, I pointed this out on Twitter a few weeks ago, but the

Al-Qasim videos are all in Arabic. There's no English in any of those videos. I think, I really do think that they don't give a flying fuck what Americans, what people in the West think, you know what I'm saying? They don't care. They're just making cool shit. Well, no, it's like, yes, fuck what americans what people in the west think you know what i'm saying they don't care they're just making cool shit well they're no it's like yes they're they're making cool shit but like

they understand that like their audience is there that like they're not like beholden to this illusion that is israel is beholden to which is that like what's not an illusion it is a reality it's like joe biden said if there wasn't an israel we would have to create one which is basically just saying the facts which is that like israel is the policeman they're the thin blue line literally of the middle east yeah they're the green lantern you know the green lanterns all have different sectors they're the green lantern of the middle east man dude i was reading i was reading that book i've mentioned it several times. Revolutionary Yiddish Land, A History of Jewish Radicalism.

And it's talking about like, I'm like at the final chapter, and it's talking about the creation of Israel. And did you know in 1939, like nine years before the state of Israel was created, after there had been these massive waves of immigration to to palestine did you know that five percent of the entire jewish population were policemen like that's an astonishing number that's a lot of fucking cops it like started as cop cop nation city it was cop city on a hill Cop city on a shiny hill Yeah cop city on an olive hill It's just

I mean it's It's insane And like someone pointed that out in my comments recently I can't remember who it was They said like It's obvious if you look at all the propaganda That issues from Israel Like they cast themselves as

The bulwark against the teeming hordes and masses of the middle east and it's like that's exactly how the cops cast themselves and that's exactly how they're sold to us it's the thin blue line yeah yeah yeah that's why i guess that's why projects like uh the ghillie program which is an officer exchange program between israel and georgia and there are other programs like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa there is they send cops from georgia to israel and israel sends cops from israel to georgia i don't i know for for a fact if the first way yeah we send i don't know if israel is i mean i'm sure they do i guess i'm sure they give them

talks in the united states but for a fact though uh american cops like the cop that was uh uh i guess like police chief i think in um in minneapolis i think you know right when tyree during tyree nichols getting killed she had gone to israel right to train and i mean like one atlanta cop it's basically what you got with the the kind of parallel y'all making one cop basically said it was the most like if you took his words at face value you could see how it's like this kind of liberal racialism like the cops are good he said um israel has a multi-racial uh pluralistic population so um the police there are very good at dealing with racial tension and i mean if you take that at face value you know okay but then what that means is that oh they just kill niggas and this is what they do or they kill palestinians same way you know cops kill black people here yeah yeah it's you see

that norm finklestein video going around where he talks about their policy of mowing the grass every couple years like to basically thinning the herd of the Palestinian people. That is such a crazy term. Yeah, that's what they call it. Yeah, it's like that checks out. That's kind of what American cops do to some degree. Yeah. That's insane. Did you, yeah, I mean, man, there's so many different,

like, even places to get in here. This is like, I don't even know where to start um this is a dude i'm speaking okay let me tell you okay the thing that broke me this week all right okay this what sent you back to the rubber room this the thing that sent me back to the rubber room terrence was doing good he was coming around He was calming down a little bit. And turned right back around, had to go right back in. It's like Sisyphus, man. Except instead of rolling a rock up a hill, you're rolling this roiling ball of madness and just brutality and blood, you know what I mean?

And guts and shit. Yeah. The thing that got me this way. Okay. Okay. If I was a pot on the stove stove the thing that turned it up to high was the new york mag article about there's latent stalinist tendencies on the left the left's moral compass is broken that that started getting that was an article that yeah that started getting

new york magazine of all places that was the thing that started getting me who did it who wrote it i don't know it's levitz no it wasn't levitz it's fucking it doesn't even matter uh someone whose priorities are just not in the right fucking place at all uh the um israel gaza and the fracturing of the intellectual left a segment of the left's moral compass seems to have broken that's the um but then like i read it and like it didn't it wasn't clear like what they meant by that like is it because we will we refuse to denounce moss is that what it is yeah that's that's it it's that we refuse to denounce moss that was basically the um the gist of it. Which, stick a pin in that, because I've got all kinds of thoughts on that.

You got threads, you got threads. Yeah. But the thing that really got it, the thing that fucking was the salt in the hot water that sent it over to boiling, was that fucking video made by an Israeli television station with children in a choir singing about the corn shit, dog. What the fuck?

Dude, I don't know why, but something about that, like something about like going, enlisting children and giving them a spiritual death. You know what I'm saying? Yes make because these kids don't fucking know kid you think eight nine year old they don't fucking know what they're saying or talking about like they're children you go i said some wild shit when i was eight or nine yes i'm gonna be honest with you i i accepted christ into my heart that was a huge mistake i should have never let I should have never let him in there. That is a wild ass thing to do at that age.

Yeah, I should have never let him in. What was I thinking? You should have closed up your chest and be like, nah, I'm not ready yet, man. That is a level of depravity that I can't even really fathom. You know what I'm saying like having your own children enlisting them in the complicity of the of the slaughter of 13,000 people it's like something about it man like it just kind of got at the sort of manic frenzied like manic, frenzied, like, fugue state that Israel seems to be in, which obviously they've been in for a very long time, but like, it just, I don't know what, but that singular thing, it's just like,

you don't even have to, when you talk to people about this now, when you, if you, if people even want to argue about, about this with you now, you don't even have to get into Zionism. You don't even have to get into the ideology, even the history of it. All you have to do is just point out the fact that they, you know, obviously we're recording this on November 22nd. They just inked this temporary ceasefire for like five days. Four-day ceasefire, yeah.

See how that shakes out um but it's just obvious to me that like what what that video told me was that i genuinely think that they you notice this whenever people point out that they're murdering children they get very mad not at the fact that they are murdering children, but at the fact people are noticing it. And so their anger over that becomes fuel for furthering the atrocity so that they have to keep murdering more and more and more. Yeah, they double-doubted them. Murdering journalists, 60-something journalists,

they just murked for no good reason. And their families. You don't even have to get into the tenets of Zionismism into the tenets of the ethnic state any of that just look at it on the face value these are sociopaths textbook fucking psychos who have such a blood lust they can't quench it you know what i mean like they enlist children into it yes that every every atrocity demands more and more and more atrocity absolutely you know what i was thinking man why probably it's um i mean, I don't know. For me, I guess when I went to DC, right,

I'm thinking of sort of the opposite feeling on the opposite end of the spectrum, right? Turning away from this just complete like barbarity and towards like something that was promising. But remember I told you guys on that episode that there were a lot of kids there, you know? And that made me feel incredibly like fucked up because it's like,

they shouldn't have to be doing this, right? And it's like, the right wing, I think I've said this before, and I mean, this is not an original idea, but the right wing is, like, obviously obsessed with progeny or social reproduction, right? Right. So it's like, you know, it's one hand, it's one hand, it's on one hand, you know, to see kids that are caring about,

you know, whether it's imperialism, environmentalism, or militarism, all these things, right? So that our values, right, can not just, you know whether it's imperialism environmentalism or militarism all these things right so that our values right can not just you know not to just sort of um to just lecture children or lecture a younger generation but hopefully that our values can be carried on successively right this struggle right this long struggle but like they already have that down pact man you know what i mean like they enlist readily enlist children like to facilitate the killing of other children you know to naturalize it yeah yes naturalizing it and that's like frightening you know what i mean that's actually frightening because as you said children

i think this is a quote that mel simandela has is like you know uh hate can't be taught you know you know what i mean like children aren't born taught to hate right they're born taught to love so that that you would take this natural sort of bonding i mean just even for the survival of a species man just like being non-sociopathic right i'm not even talking about high ideals political ideas like socialism or communism i'm just talking about for the survival of the human race to teach children kindness and generosity right and to think that they are completely inverting that right it's just i mean it is it's it's horrifying right it's horrifying no i'd see it as a projection of the fact that they know they're murdering i mean probably at this point about 6 000 children you know what i'm saying? It's like they know that. They are angry that they...

People know it now. That people know it. And I think that there becomes a kind of... You get a kind of monstrous sort of bloodlust or God complex once you start doing that. You know what I'm saying? It's like they... I'm just... I don't even know know there's not even fucking words for it it's just i guess what strikes me over and over is

just that these are just plainly psychopaths you saw it best embodied in that fucking state department asshole who was harassing that halal vendor you never harass the halal guy man like i mean that is just like i don't care what city you live in satanic bro it's yeah dude it's the guy that stands out there with this cart when it's fucking cold when it's hot and gives people like nice delicious food and like refreshments what kind of sociopathic shit are you on man i tell you yeah you're exactly right i tell you i got one for his ass though i'm gonna go to that cart dude i'm gonna hunker down there and when he comes back i'm gonna pop up and spray harissa in that little bitch's eyes and beat the hell out of him out there on main street probably probably get a failed by a sniper's bullet since he's a

state department guy but it'd be worth it for the 10 seconds i get to put hands on that cocksucker i just can't that's it that to me is the craziest part it's right right and it's like i've said it on twitter and i know it's such a hack bit but like it really is hilarious that liberals think that like the teaming masses out here are like like the things that he was saying was like david du level racism. Does your father like his fingernails? They'll take them out one by one. Why should I go? Why should I go? Tell me why I should go.

I'm standing here. I'm an American. It's a free country. It's not like Egypt. Did you rape your daughter like Mohammed did? Did you rape your daughter like muhammad did did you rape your daughter like muhammad you only speak english you don't speak english yes all right well that's that see that just shows how ignorant you are because your muhammad was a rapist you don't speak english that's why you're selling food in a food cart like straight up and it's just like this guy

works for the state department you think he's for a liberal for liberal administrations yeah you think he's the exception obama yeah he wasn't he yeah he wasn't in the bush administration and clinton he worked in clinton and bush i think he was just like a a state department cog for years you know who helped broker you know like various you know a core he was wasn't he in charge of palestine israeli relations too yeah at one point i think he was if that tells you how tilted things are and if if you needed yet another reason to sit it out to avoid your own culpability in this yeah if the clinton and obama administrations who were kind of pointed out along with biden now as being the most progressive of like you know the presidents or whatever and they're like deferring to these

kinds of jackals on the matters over there yeah i mean think about that sit with that for a second you know what you know what terrence it's like you said i've been thinking about this since you said it man how um you know like the the liberals right now are um are actually more terrifying you know in a way i'm not saying that the right is you know the liberals are worse and i'm not doing that but i'm just saying they're i mean it's a democratic administration we have liberals that are like lying through their teeth straight face lying i'm thinking about that fucking john kirby motherfucker you know what i mean oh my god dude it's just like it's just like what they do is that i think i'd said this before too is that they make the unconscionable palatable you know what i mean so it's like now that they have sanctioned now that the american project has

sanctioned to bear you know it's like just completely racist, xenophobic, imperialistic roots, you know, like there's no cover anymore. And this is coming from two years ago where we had a summer of solidarity, right, with the Black Lives Matter movement. I'm not saying that every liberal was on board with defund the police. They weren't. But they were all performatively saying Black Lives Matter, you know. Right. And it's like now a two year couple years later right we see that oh like actually like the crux of this country

and what makes this whole capitalist project run right you know this colonist the settler colonialism this imperialism like it's guys like this now you know who are worked in democratic liberal administrations who are like the most bloodthirsty and full-throated right in their rabidity you know what i mean it's insane yeah yeah it's like uh you know a lot's been made of like the concept of liberal zionism over the last couple days especially with regards to like bernie sanders um you know kind of calling for like the bombing not to stop but just for it to be a little nicer yeah you know what i mean like maybe we don't need to just do it indiscriminately maybe it just needs to be coordinated and and you know and if you if you gotta crack a couple eggs that's fine but just to drop those bombs indiscriminately on these

people that no no that's got to stop but yeah we kind of see through the facade of that shit now and it's wild how much we've been had by these people that we are told if we don't support them, then our bulwark against the coming hordes is gone. Dude. And it's like, they are the hordes.

They are the hordes. They are the hordes, yo. I said this the other day, but this word genocide is getting thrown around in a pretty inappropriate way by lots of different folks. What Hamas wants, make no mistake about it, is genocide. They want to wipe Israel off the map. They've said so publicly on more than one occasion. In fact, just recently. And they've said that they're not going to stop. What happened on the 7th of October is going to happen again and again and again. And what happened on the 7th of

October? Murder. Slaughter of innocent people in their homes or at a music festival. That's genocidal intentions. Yes, there are too many civilian casualties in Gaza. Yes, the numbers are too high. Yes, too many families are grieving. And yes, we continue to urge the Israelis to be as careful and cautious as possible.

That's not going to stop. From the president, right on down. But Israel is not trying to wipe the Palestinian people off the map. Israel's not trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Israel's trying to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist threat. So if we're going to start using that word, fine, let's use it appropriately. this is this is the thing that the whole the um the project of liberal zionism uh again i'm citing mostly from this book if you want to read it called revolutionary yiddish land the project of liberal zionism is at this point like a residual it's like a residue leftover from the pal zion movement which was a socialist um zionist organization nominally socialist though you have to add right like nom go ahead it was socialist in the context of europe in the 1930s and this is the complicated thing which is

that a lot of people that wound up in Palestine and wound up being involved in the creation of the Israeli state fled there. They didn't even have the intention of staying there. A lot of them weren't even Zionists. They just had to get somewhere because Hitler was in the, you know, Nazis were, you know, sending Einsatzgruppen. They were sending literal SS units into villages, raising them, deporting Jews, etc. So the project of Zionism could take various different forms. I mean, the Soviet Union had two Jewish colonies. They tried to create two Jewish States one in the Crimea

And one in like Siberia Basically Siberia like Yeah let's set up To where we infamously said You know political prisoners But like the Palzion movement

However like once it got Like once we get to the 1940s, you start to get this process where you start to get the kgeoisie basically creating a Jewish economy strictly for Jews and strictly with Jewish labor and shutting Arabs out of that process. And that was a failure of the left. It was partially a failure of the common turn, like the Soviet Union's policy of the time towards its Palestinian, the Communist Party of Palestine. That basically created this situation where it looked like an idealist project to create socialism in Palestine to these like socialists. Palestine to these like socialists they were unwitting in the way that a lot of liberals are at the fact that like what they were doing was being used to create like a nation state like a state building project of imperialism and so like the people in like the labor party in Israel in like the 1980s were all mostly from the pal Zion movement.

And I just like, it's just, it's just this, I don't know. I don't know quite know how to, to explain it because like the, the conditions in Palestine in the 1920s and thirties weren't like North America, right? Like you already had a process, like weren't like North America when the settler colonialists arrived here like you already had a process of the beginnings of capitalism in that area you know what i'm saying just because capitalism in the 1920s and 30s was starting to become like world hegemonic whereas like in north america that you were dealing with an entirely different different mode of production granted you are still still

dealing with like modes of like feudalist production in palestine at the time but like anyways all of which is to say that like these various projects like the kibbutz and like liberal zionism and everything were all based on this very flimsy premise which is that like uh you know well you know the the process of apartheid and colonialization and pushing arabs into these places yes it's unfortunate however we are building the idealist like socialist society we're building buildings pluralistic like multi you know the only reason why which is crazy by the way just to put a fine point on it arabs in the 1930s were calling for a one-state solution by the way they were saying like look a lot of jews are are immigrating here we need to have a pluralistic like multicultural form of government like this is the only way this is going to work and design this project like

and the zionists said no fuck no fuck you that's they sent the ergun in like fucking stern gang started blowing up power plants and shit i mean it was this is all history it's not fucking like well just not to not to like you know even get too um you know too much in the weeds with it but the the the when i'm reading the ethnic cleansing by um of palestine by elan poppe and i don't know if i'm pronouncing his name right but um he talks about the kibbutz and he talks about this model right of like zionist socialism that was kind of like a trojan horse right in the way that liberals will use these ideas right these liberal ideas of equality right or quality i guess of opportunity right and you know this this idea of this liberal racialism but like the same way that liberals do here when push comes to shove they align with their

in this case racial or racial religious and class interest right and like you were talking you could always tell when that's coming because they always start the will stancel line well if you're waiting for something to be perfect you'll just be waiting around a long time right exactly and what they're saying is no we're not going to give you nice things we're not going to give you any dignity everything's fine blah blah blah blah this this kind of thinking pervades even the left it is literally the premise of socialism in one country the premise behind the green new deal honestly it's like any kind of like nationalism is bound like there's only one shop local movement a very liberal idea you know Appalachian proud Kentucky proud whatever proud

sorry to interrupt you Aaron go ahead can I ask you guys a question actually because this is actually related man we're talking about liberal responses um and you know maybe my analogy is wrong maybe I'm not understanding the just transition um in kentucky properly but it really kind of like it was really jarring to read that biden or the biden administration is talking about basically what sounds like a just transition in gaza where they're opening up natural they're dealing with like like i guess like the only reason how do i explain i guess they're they're trying to to to like like revitalize gaza through like natural gas or something like that you know what i mean like this natural gas project of or i guess it's also a

project of disaster capitalism right to kind of like you know uh swoop like swoop in and um you know exploit these resources right after you've uh facilitated the genocide and i don't know i just was thinking about like you know when you guys talk about the just transition in kentucky in this way that these sort of half measures right and these promises right that are like exclusively i guess that are made by liberals in the this veneer of progressivism you know yeah i would terence can speak to this more than i can uh because he's written about it more but my sense is there's two hallmarks of the just transition is that the first one is you have to let the people that got you into the mess and

created the mess in the first place to get on the ground floor of the next wave so they can make money and then the second thing hallmark of just transition is we're all for the advancement of whatever community x as long as like the people making money off that misery don't have to stop making money off the misery you know i mean that's why you see these just transition movements and nothing really ever changes with them over over time you know what i mean in fact you talk to some of these guys that were making you know a hundred thousand two hundred thousand dollars working on the coal mines and now you have the libs saying well have you ever thought about uh raising uh turnip beds and selling them at the farmer's market you know what i mean and then like you know they try that for a while and when you know their family can't keep warm in the

winter time uh everybody's like well huh well it worked in x place you know or whatever i don't know why it didn't work for you you know it's a farce i guess his website i think that the usually what just transitionition would call it would be putting a nice face on creative destruction or some kind. I genuinely think that this whole thing about the natural gas access is a very, very cynical cover for what's going on in Gaza.

Does that make sense? No, that makes perfect sense. I don't know. I don't know why, but I've been kind of very resistant to the idea, the framework of the... We're in there for oil or gas or whatever.

Yes, that the reason behind this is access to oil or gas. I don't know why, but I have a sneedrick reaction to that because to me, that doesn't explain the absolute bloodlust and yes visceral hatred that what feels like intrinsically racist to its core in a way that like not saying that that can't be paired with like a project of raping and pillaging like a resource-rich country we know this but this feels

like like just like it feels like like it feels almost like they enjoy this you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah enjoy it they get you're exactly right aaron there is a gleeful like brutality in it that like they have they get some sort of rush out of it some sort of like existential validation it is um it's it's a cop mentality yeah yeah i mean like the hallmark of cops is that like they relish in like having no accountability and be able to inflict whatever on a population because of you know there's a number of different reasons but you see that you know that with the IDF people and all this stuff. Yeah.

I mean, I guess, so maybe that's the thing. Maybe there is oil and gas reserves that the U.S. would like access to, but in the same way that in the U.S. we deploy cops to protect private property and prosecute crime and all this. Maybe Israel doesn't get anything out of the oil and gas thing i don't know man it's the whole thing to me it's like it's like once i hear it i don't know why but it feels like it deflates the whole thing like it feels like a simplification is what yeah yeah like it's just it's i guess it's like a vestigial organ of

the iraq war era you know what i mean right right right right like the thing we were taught to say about iraq is man we were in there for oil and it's like yeah that's true but and right it's it's this it's this i guess what it is is it's a kind of like reductionism or simplification right where it it may it makes it almost more comforting for us to think that like oh this is all just for a resource because this is nothing new we've seen this before and it's like no this is a paradigm shift of like this crazy resurgence of 19th century racism and brutality that's the thing it's got the markings of like something like something like if it was just like access to like oil and all this other stuff, then like we could maybe understand it a little bit easier. Or we could like look at the gruesome images we're seeing and saying like, oh, well, this is why they're doing it.

because of uh access to land or or just these uh or just like these ideological commitments that like zionism demands then then that is that is very dark like that's that's much that's trouble that's troubling i mean not that is none of this is a troubling but it really exposes i mean the heart of darkness i don't know i guess that's the thing because it's like, okay, to use a crude comparison, the fascist regimes of the 1930s, which, by the way, the Irgun was supported by Mussolini's fascists in the 1930s. That's also in this book. that's also in this book uh the um but the fascist regimes of the 1930s weren't doing what they were doing just for resources it's not like you know nazi germany was like doing all this for like uh resources exactly they were doing it leaving trauma i guess they were doing yes for land and and all this too but it was more it was more of a kind of like ideological project of the new man the quasi-mythical project yes a quasi-mythical exactly aaron like this very like very um almost sort of like uh existential project of like create like you know transcending humanity a project of destiny is what it is

exactly and it's in like that's terrifying because like i don't even know my destiny you telling me that you have access to nuclear weapons and a whole ass like army that can just crush this country and you're doing this out of not like out of like a material sure material but out of these like like esoteric yeah immaterial metaphysical reasons like how do you combat i mean i know this is the thing i think people think they look at communism in the early 20th century and they're like oh it's just like this um project to equally distribute goods and everything but communism and fascism both of them were much more than that if you read any of the writings of lennon and trotsky in the 20s the 10s and 20s communism was about creating a new man well

fascism took that and did something extremely dark with it and and i kind of feel like that's kind of a little bit what we're talking about here too. It's like, I don't know. Like I was talking to Tom the other day. It's like people have this conception of like Nazi Germany, like that like the fascist regime was like death camps from the very beginning. It's like, I think the very first concentration camp was Dachau and it was a concentration camp. They were exterminating people in the 30s who were disabled in the T4 program. However, like the extermination camps the death camps the camps exclusively for uh liquidating millions of people did not come

about until about 1943 or something and like you know i took a class on this in college but like the thing that you're always told about like the Holocaust is that what made it possible, quote unquote, was the war. It was like it was like the war concentrated and brought together all these various threads that had been present in German society for decades by that point. And then just let them all loose. And so basically, by the time you get to the death camp phase. Yes, they are. They are mostly a product of the Nazis realizing, oh, we can't take the Soviet Union. Fuck.

And we're probably not even going to be able to take – we're probably going to be pushed back out of France once the United States is involved. It is a product of kind of realizing that the endgame is here. And that's when you start – That's so frightening. That's so chilling, man. That's when you see the that's like that's so frightened that's so chilling yeah that's when you see like the frenzy yes yes exactly and that's and that is honestly like that's kind of the same vibe you get like looking at like netanyahu and benny gantz and ben gavir and like small like like all these fucking just depraved evil dragons yeah jack like that's the vibe you get like they they want they openly say this by the way which is insane that like john kirby and the defense department is just saying still like what what was that quote you mentioned it earlier

and wasn't he saying like there's they're not doing they're not yeah they don't have they're um um they're not committing genocide they don't have plans for genocide is basically what he was saying it's hamas hamas actually has the plans for genocide yeah whereas like if you like i mean i just saw a literal fucking it's like again all the fucking ministers have at one point said that that's what they want. Like, Ben-Gavir is literally, like, on video celebrating the burning to death of an 18-month-old Palestinian infant. Like, this is, like, these are fucking monsters. But then there was, like, a video thing that I saw. It's, like, a TV show.

Did y'all see that? Like, it's,'s like one of those fucking talk shows like they have in america but it was in israel former israeli interior minister shakid said after we turn conunis into a soccer field we need to take advantage of the destruction to tell the countries that each of them should take a quota it can be two two thousand twenty thousand or fifty thousand we need $2 million to leave. That's the solution for Gaza. I mean, dude.

It's a fucking final solution. What are you talking about? There's no fucking ethnic cleansing. Dude. Also, too, if you need to make that Nazi parallel more clear, reading this Rashid Al-Khalidi book, The Hundred Years War on Palestine, and here's a passage from that.

Hitler's ascendancy proved to be one of the most important events in the modern histories of both Palestine and Zionism. In 1935 alone, more than 60,000 Jewish immigrants came to Palestine, a number greater than the entire Jewish population of the country in 1917. Most of these refugees, mainly from Germany, but also from neighboring countries where anti-Semitic persecution was intensifying greatly,

were skilled and educated. German Jewish people were allowed to bring assets worth a total of $100 million thanks to what's called the Transfer Agreement reached between the Nazi government and the Zionist movement,

concluded in exchange for lifting the Jewish boycott of German goods. During the 1930 government, and the Zionist movement, concluded in exchange for lifting the Jewish boycott of German goods. During the 1930s, the Jewish economy in Palestine overtook the Arab sector for the first time, and the Jewish population grew in more than 30% total by 1939. In light of fast economic growth and the rapid population shift over only seven years, combined with considerable expansion of the zionist movement's militarism so literally you could draw a straight line between hitler and the zionist movement i mean it's what i was saying earlier they did that literally the nazis literally facilitated the zionist movement you know what that's like and i know these are not one-to-one parallels

but i can't help think about it it's like you know the the back to africa movement right which i think abraham fucking lincoln was a fucking supporter of an advocate of right yeah marcus garvin yeah marcus bad liberia right like like what i can't say at least with liberia because it was like you know like um west indians and african americans who kicked out indigenous africans out of that's what i was gonna say united states government liberia was very similar honestly yeah i mean you could even say it still is in many ways. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is.

No, that's just, but that's just like, I just want to say, point out something real quick. And I know this is like a moot point and I know our listeners know this too, but it, and Terrence, I think you brought this up as well. No, you had a tweet, but it just strikes me that like, whether it's, whether it's denouncing the phrases like from the river to the sea or whether it's denunciations of phrases like genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's just so striking to me that Zionists cannot imagine peaceful coexistence with Palestinians like they just cannot. Yeah, their minds. Right. It's either just destroy or be destroyed. Right. It's either we have to be destroyed right it's either we have to get them out or we are we are this is an existential i mean if your whole entire ideology

is so weak right that it just falls apart at the premise that your existence this is an existential battle because you cannot live otherwise peacefully with these people who you've kicked out their fucking land you know it's just like i mean it's just the premise is flimsy from to begin with, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's yeah. The, um,

the tweet that you're referencing, I was, it was like a meme where, you know, there's that dumb, like duck or goose meme or whatever. It's like, where,

uh, where were the, where were is, well, where will Israelis go in a one state solution? And it's like, nowhere. I mean, no one is talking about removing, where will Israelis go in a one-state solution? And it's like, nowhere. No one is talking about removing.

History has happened. They're there. You cannot remove large segments of the population, which, by the way, Israel is doing. And this is what drives me crazy about the John Kirby quote, that, like, they're not intentionally targeting NPR. They're fucking, you know, standard bearer of journalism and all this. They had a story about how all the humanitarian corridors are some of the most heavily targeted by IDF missiles.

They're telling people where to go and then bombing those places. corridors are some of the most heavily targeted by idf missiles they're straight up they're telling people where to go and then bombing those places didn't the united states also give them some of that information thinking that they were going to use it yo can i just can we can we can we dissect this real quick bro are they are they all right are they that all right is it is it one of like this this sort of like liberalism? And when I say liberalism, I'm talking about like I'm talking about or when I say I'm neoliberalism, I'm talking about like not the political economic system specifically. I'm talking about like the system of global so-called harmony or accord. Right. That is rooted in this like globalized capitalist system. Right.

Yeah. This idea that like we can use soft power in diplomacy right right to get into to get our uh to get our whatever get our goals or short or whatever it's like are they that naive or i mean it has to be both right or that fucking evil like why would you think that you would give them this information and that they would do anything else with it but bob the fucking quarters right like that? The story you're referencing was in Politico. That's just insane to me. And what it was was they were giving, the U.S. has sent the coordinates of aid organizations

on the ground in Gaza to Israel to help prevent strikes. Despite that effort, many humanitarian sites have been bombarded. Huh. This is some Looney Tunes shit, dog. Like, what do you mean? They get the coordinates, they're like oh okay thanks bro we'll watch out for them and then they just turn around and fucking i started to tweet that

because you know there's a story that broke a couple of days ago about like netanyahu ramping up the anti-us rhetoric at home because he's like kind of feeling the pinch and then like you're surprised when they start going after humanitarian sites that you've given them the coordinates for. It's like, let me, if you were to take Israel out and plug any other nation in there, we would go bomb them into the Stone Age. Literally. For an act of aggression like that. Literally. no and biden's entire statement about the ceasefire reached today was about i care first and foremost above all else about american hostages that's like okay you were literally allowing different tone than you had a

month ago when you told net yahoo if you can get them out great but if not i don't understand you gotta do what you gotta do you gotta kill a couple american hostages okay by me did y'all also see this the quote this is an astonishing quote it's also it's in another political thing and i want to return to something you just said aaron just in a minute but um this was another quote the administration remains wary about netanyahu's end game and seeming lack of a plan for what to do once hamas is defeated there was no sense that the pause would turn into a lengthier ceasefire, a senior administration official said, and there was some concern in the administration

about an unintended consequence of the pause, that it would allow journalists broader access to Gaza and the opportunity to further illuminate the devastation there and turn public opinion on Israel. Wait, wait, wait. So hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Am I understanding that right? Wait. Am I understanding that right? there and turn public opinion on israel wait wait wait so hold on wait wait wait did you

wait am i understanding that right wait am i understanding that right were they worried about journalists getting access to showing the world what they're fucking paying for yes it's supporting yo this country is demonic dog oh my god this is the thing they're not fucking giving israel data and information in the hopes that israel avoids them they're fucking giving them data and information in the hopes that israel just obliterates them they don't want fucking journalists there they don't want humanitarian uh access or anything none of that no because it's making us look bad too and you know what too what's a very embarrassing thing i'm sorry if i don't know some folk good folks folks that work at like the New York Times and other fine papers of record.

But generally speaking, right, with the news establishment, if you have your reporters going out there or your your or people, at least your cohorts, right, in your profession that are being killed and bombed. And when you're writing these articles, you can't even you have to use passive language where you can't even say israel has targeted this person and this person so and so i mean like you have to be the most bitched ass like just like cucked like like just profession i mean it's just insane to me it's not even that you should just report on the truth but they're attacking you you know what i mean yeah like how much integrity then do you have and how much belief do you have in the power of your profession to bring the truth to light you don't obviously right you have no faith in it you know it is it is wild and it's why like every time you fucking see these articles will the left denounce hamas okay motherfuckers here's the line in the sand

i will fucking denounce hamas if you can finally get the entire fucking media to refer to Israel's actions since October 7th as a bloodthirsty slaughter for more blood. A genocide, an ethnic cleansing. Because that's the way they refer to every fucking October. Every time you see October 7th brought up, it's always the indiscriminate slaughter of 1,200. By the way, they keep fucking downgrading the numbers. First it was 1,400. Now it's 1,200.ate slaughter of 1,200. By the way, they keep fucking downgrading the numbers. First it was 1,400. Now it's 1,200. Now it's 1,200.

But every time you see it, the fucking language is always indiscriminate, inhumane, nihilistic slaughter. Or 9-11. Oh, yeah. I mean, I even saw one in fucking Politico today that was like the indiscriminate slaughter on October 7th that forced Israel to respond respond in gaza that killed 13 000 people it's like that's why that's why you can't fucking denounce hamas that's literally it because the entire fucking thing is premised on the reality that apparently israeli lives matter we just we've seen this before man yep i just it's just like i know we're repeating ourselves but i have to i have to say though i know we're repeating ourselves, but I have to say, because especially in light of the ceasefire, right, it's just like, dude, how many more Palestinians have to die?

How many more children have to die before you say, before they say, and I know our answer already, they will never. But before they would at least say, like, okay, like, you know, Israel's bloodthirst has been quenched, right? There was sufficient damage and punishment. And, of course, the answer is that, I mean, not know, Israel's bloodthirst has been quenched, right? There was sufficient damage and punishment. And, of course, the answer is that, I mean, not enough, right? Right. Not enough. Yep. That's fucking insane.

This is the thing. You're right. To bring it back to what you were talking about a second ago, I was talking about that meme of the goose. You know what I mean? Like, where are theraelis gonna go it's like i this is also gets in line with like something i got into a fight with a fucking former friend uh former co-worker who was like free palestine from what i just want to hear you say it free from the jews

and it's just like fucking god dude what you are saying to me you were literally saying you are when you say that kind of stuff what you are saying to me and i can see this because i was born and raised in the american south my entire fucking life what you're saying to me is that you cannot envision a scenario in which your identity remains intact once palestinians are no longer bombed oppressed forced into apartheid forced out of jobs you know forced to walk on certain sides of the streets go through checkpoints had their calories watched diligently to keep them just above starvation level like once all those things are met once all those things are done away with if that means the ending of your identity

then like that kind of doesn't that kind of tell you something about what it means what zionism means and i'm like tired of this because i had like this fucking discourse this week is so fucking abysmal just like i saw i saw one person saying like uh it's hard not to see the word zionists and think that it's code word for jew it's like motherfucker we have said this there are christian zionists i grew up among them i was telling terrence when i think of zionist i was working at i was interning this place the daily yonder back in 2007 and i referred to in this piece i referred to an evangelical person as a zionist because they were on that sort of end of the world you know let's use jewish people for cannon fodder to bring about the return of christ type of shit

which is inherent in the project and i was corrected they was like no yeah when we think about zionist what we think about are like pro-israel more militant pro-israel you know people whatever and i was like well that was not even my conception when i was thinking zionist i think john hagie when i think a zionist i think people that have a vested interest in what goes on in israel to bring about the end of the world i mean it sounds crazy that's what i think literally what i don't think i don't even i don't even really think of like jewish people in that project now i mean obviously like it's i have a better understanding of it but my first conception of it is john hagey tom and i were raised as zionists literally we

were raised as christians we're the most gentile we're the biggest boys on the planet you know you know i was thinking terence when you were talking about, you know, your former friend making that comment and just this sort of, you know, well, we can't imagine peaceful coexistence. Right. And what that says about the Zionist Project. I mean, you know, to put it even like another way, you know, I think about all these kids, right. Five thousand. Right. It's probably like with kids trapped in rubble. It's probably closer to ten thousand. Right. It's probably like with kids trapped in rubble, it's probably closer to 10,000, right?

But what you're telling me when you say the sentiment is that the opportunity of a Palestinian child growing up a full life to be a doctor or a teacher or whatever, right? That is too threatening for your existence, right? Because that's what that says to me, right? Is that for Palestinians to have a future, right? That is too threatening for your existence. I mean, like, do people really hear themselves when they're saying, especially, we talked about this, but especially the fact that when you are attacking Gaza, you are, like, you are purposefully, intentionally bombing children, you know? Yeah. Again, I just don't, it's like, it's a child's life, cutting off a child's life worth you feeling secure thousands of miles away in the fucking United States, dog? You know what I mean?

Where people are getting fired left and right. Fucking Susan Sarandon, dog. You know what I'm saying? The only good white woman, yo. There's a few. But one of the few only good white women? I mean, come on, dog. Come on, man.

It is wild just that like that story by the way i read this story in variety about uh what was it is it melissa barrera is that melissa barrera who i've never heard of fucking kudos to her yo hey free invitation to come on the show free invitation to come on the show man uh but like that story was crazy uh just the amount of vitriol for anyone. People sharing Instagram posts. Dude, the hysteria. I'm sorry. I'm fucking over it.

I'm over it. I'm over the fucking articles about how the left's moral compass is broken. It's like, dude, let me just say this, okay? Let me just say this, okay? Let me just say this. I am to the point where the Israeli government, they are so fucking sociopathic that I cannot believe anything they say. I just can't.

No, not at all. I'm sorry. And when it comes to October 7th, I cannot believe it. Dude, there's an episode of The Dig. You know that podcast, The Dig? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's an episode of The Dig he had with Tarek Bakony a few weeks ago. You're talking about the Hamas episode.

That was really fucking good, right? Yes. That was really fucking good. Dude, Hamas is like, they don't even impose Sharia law on Gaza. Bro, they don't even want to govern, dog. They really don't even want to govern, yo. The only thing that really unites them, the only real ideology that kind of keeps it together is that, yes, it's anti-Fattah. That, like, you know, Fattah has basically forfeited its right to wage armed resistance on behalf of the Palestinians.

That's A. B. is armed resistance on behalf of the Palestinians. That's really the only ideology that unites it i mean there are it is like islamist but it's not you're right there it's like it's they don't impose sharia law in gaza uh they aren't like i mean that the thing about trying to equate them with isis is absolutely absurd bro that's like that's like that's like putting like a you know when they they were putting fucking isis flags like you know uh uh next to like uh i guess like saying i'm the heist flags found on hamasa fighters or whatever that's like putting like a boston red socks hat like in a yankees in the home of a yankees fan or some shit you know what i'm saying like yeah they don't like each other bro they got beef you know what i mean it was and also i saw this video circulating the other day actually i don't know if y'all saw this it was a video from december

2021 of a strawberry field in northern gaza a merkava tank an idf tank had breached the fence in gaza and come into gaza and was raising this Palestinian strawberry field, driving a fucking tank through it. This person's only means of existence and subsistence. There was a ceasefire in place, and it was obvious that this IDF soldier, this tank, was trying to trigger a response that would violate the ceasefire. You know what I'm saying? They were just raising this strawberry field.

It's an astonishing video because you've got the the palestinian farmer and he's screaming at this fucking tank and he wants to go get his weapons he wants to do something to defend himself there's hamas militants there and they're saying brother you can't i'm sorry there's a ceasefire it's we can't do it we are our arms are tied we can't do it and this is the fucking group that I open up the New York times. And I read an op-ed from Bernie Sanders. Literally today, there's an op-ed for Bernie in the New York times about this.

This is the group that I'm told would violate a ceasefire. If one was in place, I see what it's like. I don't know. This is not the group, but this is not the group, by the way, that has enlisted six year olds to like sing on television about annihilating Israel. This is not the group that are making way, that has enlisted six-year-olds to sing on television about annihilating Israel.

This is not the group that are making Disney Harry Potter memes or whatever while also calling this attack our 9-11. Which, dog, I mean, I think that if you could just look at, if you were just a person that didn't know history, right? And you just woke up out of a coma and you didn't know what happened for the last 30, 40, 60, 75 years. And you just went on. Somebody showed you how to use a phone and showed you how to use the internet. And you heard about this fucking conflict. I don't want to call it a conflict. It's a genocide going on.

And you just scrolled social media from Facebook to Instagram to Twitter to TikTok. And you just saw what is coming out of Israeli official propaganda and what is coming out of fucking settlers and then you see and then fucking their fucking mouthpieces like fucking what's his name Brett fucking what's that dude's name who does the fucking Looney Tunes Kermit the Frog shit the actor I fucking hate yes Brett Gelman

and Amy Schumer and Sarah Silverman and then you fucking see pictures of children getting pulled out of rubble you see pictures of doctors begging and pleading with people. They're only means of communication with the outside fucking world, yo. I mean, like, you would just... You see that video of Brett Gellman doing the... Doing the...

He's singing a song. The show tunes. And you just see the guys, EKG, just flatlining again like that. Now I think I'm gonna go back to the coma. By the way... I'm gonna to go back to the coma. By the way, as people pointed out, Sarah Silverman literally called for the genocide for cutting off water, food, aid, medical supplies. And then blamed it on smoking too much weed, dog. And she didn't lose her fucking job. No, in fact, she got to fill in for Trevor Noah.

Yes, exactly. On the Daily Show, dude. now in fact she got to fill in for trevor noah yes on the daily show meanwhile people made some instagram posts which by the way the variety article made it sound like they were anti-semitic you go read the instagram posts and they're literally just like why can't you talk pointing out facts yeah it's just i i i'm sorry i will i i cannot play this fucking game the left's moral compass is broken because the minute you fucking start that shit, is the minute you start making everyone feel like they need to go back to the rubber room.

Bro, nigga, that's the minute that you say that shit, that's the minute they're already zipping down your skin suit and then pulling it off and then bringing it out the inside out before you dog, and you just nod along, go like, okay. I mean, like... You know what the crazy thing is, though, man? Like, any decent decent right-minded

person is horrified at the persecution of jewish people over time particularly the holocaust and even ongoing everything like that and with you have that in mind and a soft-heartedness toward that in mind and it makes you feel like taking this to task you have to examine in yourself that do i have hold anti-semitic beliefs and that's exactly what they want to engender in all of us to keep us on skates so they can continue to do this shit yeah no moss yo dude you know why that especially is poignant tom especially under this racial liberalism is because i mean how can i put it man labor i feel like liberals will always, like, kind of opportunize, like, these fissures and cracks, right,

in lack of a better term, racial relations, right? And what they do is that while not just being racist as a question of attitude, right, but a question of power, as Brother Kwame Ture said, right, what they do is that they get away with this shit while making everyone else question whether they are individually racist, right? You know what I mean?

While they get away with the most insane shit ever, dog. You know, it's like, dude, it's like, I don't give a fuck if you have a Black Lives Matter lawn sign, the way you say love is love. I don't care about, like, what are you actually believing and what do you do, you know? And what they're trying to do is they're trying to rope you up in this shit man they're trying to rope you up and send you to the fucking rubber room so that you have to check your own instinctual biases right it's fucking insane i refuse to be complicit i just will not i'm sorry

i'm not gonna play the fucking game of moral compasses because the minute you fucking do that the minute you're basically complicit with it because you see the way it's fucking played out in the media. I mean, like, even I saw this article in the New Intercept today about how the Harvard Law Review was getting ready to publish its very first Palestinian. They were going to publish an article called the second Nakba. The very first article like that? Yeah. And it was just a couple weeks ago.

It went through the entire review and editing process, and then they killed it at the last fucking minute, which is basically unprecedented, apparently. I mean, how else are you supposed to look at the situation and ask yourself, wait, are these the good guys? You know what I mean? You look at the video of the guy harassing the halal vendor. I mean, that's the face that should be fucking put on this, because that's it.

God damn, it is punchable. That's a punchable motherfucker. That is a punchable face. It looked like goddamn store brand Anthony Hopkins. Like you went to fucking Family Dollar and bought that shit to pack. Yeah, it looked like Anthony Hopkins been living off TV dinners. You're right, Tom. In my mind, mind i was like who does this look like that's who it was anthony hopkins living on look like look like hannibal lecter if he didn't have

health care you know on the obamacare bronze plan on the bronze plan calling up the exchange or his Obama phone. Damn son. Oh, that killed me. Well, um, you know,

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Thanks for listening this week, folks, and I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving. And, you know, I don't have any advice for you this year, nothing about arguing or not arguing with your family. I do. What do you got? What do you got to air? Listen, usually I would always say, right, I think I've talked about this before. We've talked about this on one Thanksgiving episode or pre-Thanksgiving episode.

Usually, you know, don't, don't. I mean, there's certain fights. Certain fights are worth getting into with your family. Yeah. For sure. Especially if it's about your identity and who you love, obviously, you know. You know, but most of the time I feel like you have dumbass uncles or family members. I mean, like, they're voting for team red the same way your parents are

probably voting for team blue like it's all voting in our case everybody thinks they're voting for trump but like my uncles are trying to stay off the grid they don't want to vote because they don't want to do jury duty or pay taxes good idea good idea but what i will say though as terrence has said um um his refusal putting his foot down right and i'm not being a drag kicking and screaming to the rubber room i would say that uh you know if if it's not gonna cost you getting kicked out of your thanksgiving dinner um you should push back this year man if you hear any if you hear any insane shit yeah dude you should push back yeah just fuck it just you know like you know what i the same way that uh there was this video uh thing I'll say. This video going around of these girls in New York, right?

I was going to mention it. Thank you for mentioning that. Dog, they were tearing down the posters. And you know what? Somebody came up to them and said, what are you doing? Why are you tearing down these posters? They're hostages. And they were like, fuck you.

Fuck Israel. Like, get the fuck away from me. And that's what you should probably do, right? Yeah. Well, no quarter is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I think that's good enough. I mean, do it charmingly, though. I love to disagree with people charmingly.

Especially if it's your grandmother, and she's like, you know, she's old, she's looking cute and frown, she's got a nice little smock on. You know, don't say fuck you, Grandma, you know. Don't do that. Compliment the pie first, and then go from there. And then get to the history That's a fantastic casserole Have we

Considered the legacy Of the knock by the way See Thomas got it That's the way you do it That's the way you do it Alright Well thanks for listening This week folks

We will see you next time Over at the Patreon Where we roast Cass Sunstein So See you later. Peace out. Bye. You know, we used to joke when I was in the State Department that, you know, the Middle East was 500, you know, is quickly entering the 14th century. Okay.