Trillbilly Worker's Party - Episode 340: Glory Be To The Road

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

We open with a somewhat amusing (and terrifying) story from Baltimore, then pivot to a discussion about what's going on with the protest movement in America Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Yeah, like sometimes do y'all just play above your level when you're fucking, like, I could have died two minutes ago, but against all odds, I'm keeping up this frenetic pace. Yeah, like my back is not supposed to twist and pop that way. You know, I might have to go see a doctor after this, but that's why I gotta do warm-ups, man. Yeah, that's true. Some hip abduction exercises and whatnot. Yeah, that's true. Some hip abduction exercises and whatnot. I don't know that like in the strictest medical terms, I'm healthy enough for sexual activity. But I've never let that determine me either.

I don't know if I'm mentally healthy enough for sexual activity. Actually, any type of interpersonal activity. But, you know, I got to try. Spiritually. Yeah, I have to say, punch above my punch above my white in that regard i don't it's been so long for me i couldn't even tell you what i do like what my thing is i i do remember having sex like in the past and doing things that would make you know but not having just like not having enough of it to be able to tell you what i do so there's there's there you go yeah yeah it's like it's like a memory from a such a long time ago that you can't really remember if it was real or not if you're

imagining it but you're like i remember the motion yes exactly it's like a dream it's like okay i'm sure you know this phenomenon i've heard him talking about on other world once where like people remember with this like remarkable accuracy being able to like float downstairs as kids and stuff like that like they have these memories of these like sort of supernatural abilities that they had they like feel extremely real to them. Is that what sex is to... Like when you've not had it in a while? Yeah, it's like I could have swore I was... That I was bending spoons with my mind when I was nine years old.

That's the same thing. Well, the thing is it's the opposite actually because when you're out of business, you think that you're the worst at it because like this is being out of business is like proof in your mind it's proof to you that you're bad at it so like you're like there is no floating downstairs there's tumbling down the stairs and like breaking your dick and knocking your head in three seconds on a rug and tumbling downstairs and breaking shit yes exactly you know, an analogy I was thinking about for myself personally, you know, I'm not the best driver at all.

I think people know this. People know me. And I haven't gotten a car, a new car in a minute because I've had three fundraisers for car accidents. You've been involved in them. Yeah, let's not make a number four, yo. That might be a funeral, actually. You know what I mean? Yeah, those are expensive. We don't want to do that. But, actually you know but like yo i was like damn can i drive again and i feel like you know that's what i feel like you've been out the game for me you know i'm like like i gotta do like hula hoops you know

like warm-up exercises you know what i mean people are i like the hip action going again yeah people are always like oh it's like riding a bike like you pick it up and it's like yeah okay except but like when i ride a bike I don't just bust in three seconds. I don't just get on a bike and have an orgasm. I don't need dick control. Yeah, I don't need dick control while I'm riding a bike. It's a terrible analogy. You don't need trader wheels for your dick.

Like little bit trader wheels on the side of your balls. of your dick. Like little bit trading wheels on the side of your balls. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, just like when the drought finally ends,

Terrence goes, well, let's knock the rust off a little bit and then we'll get back to it here in about an hour or two for the real thing. Soak that shit

in some WD-40. Oh, man. You take your drawers off and you just tear it like it's like a car door that needs some grease if you don't grease it up it squeaks a little bit you know that's what we've all been like every time you stroke

um oh man i regardless before we get into the actual content of today's program, I wanted to read this story to you guys that I saw yesterday that is like equal parts funny and equal parts terrifying. Okay, that's right up our alley, man. Genuinely right down the middle. It is genuinely equally terrifying and equally funny. This comes from thebaltimore banner.com

baltimore county educator framed principal with ai generated voice police say baltimore county police wait wait can i say something real quick just real quick you know how everybody was worried about um deep fakes and ai with political campaigns, elections, things of great consequence. It's awesome that it's not. I mean, it's terrifying, but that this guy was like, I mean, go ahead. I'm I'm curious to how much you hate this individual to use cutting edge technology. This is this person. Literally, this is an episode of that show Vice Principals.

It is like literally like petty tyrant. Neil Gandy. Going after petty... Yes. Baltimore County Police arrested Pikesville High School's former athletic director Thursday morning and charged him with allegedly using AI

to impersonate Principal Eric Eiswert, leading the public to believe Eiswert made racist and anti-Semitic comments behind closed doors. The gym teacher was posing as the principal, being a hacker, a cyberpunk. Yes. Oh, that's really funny. Dajon Darian was charged with disrupting school activities after investigators determined Darian faked Eiswert's voice and circulated the audio on social media in January.

Darian's nickname DJ was among the names mentioned in the audio clips he allegedly faked. Eiswert's voice, which police and AI experts believe was simulated, made disparaging comments toward black students and the surrounding Jewish community. Questions about the audio's authenticity quickly followed. Police wrote in charging documents that Darian had accessed the audio's authenticity quickly followed police wrote in charging documents that darian had accessed access the school's network on multiple occasions in december and january searching for open ai tools large language models that practice deep learning uh blah blah blah blah can i say something real quick yeah all i keep thinking about like did y'all see that uh there

was this twitter account that did this ed biden edit that wasn't an edit it was like an ai rap or like a monologue of some shit where biden was like saying shit like nigga and smoking weed and shit like that like this is what i'm reminded of yo like maybe this really uh this really like meek mild mannered looking guy who now everybody thinks is like a raging uh racist racist and anti-semitic yeah it's um this is what it said it says the voice refers to quote ungrateful black kids who can't test their way out of a paper bag and questions how hard it is to get their students to meet grade level expectations dude that's 19 like 1980s, like, 1960s racism, dude. Yeah. Black kids can't test good.

It's like, that's retrograde. It really is, yo. That's a throwback. That's like the bell curve shit, yo. They're not even up-to-date. It's not even up-to-date racism. Yeah, it's not even up-to-date racism, man. Like, go to 4chan or some shit. Or Israel, again, as we've said.

They're cooking up some shit. Or just or just yeah the place du jour yeah um well i i gotta say i was a victim of this kind of thing once yeah yeah somebody impersonated you with uh with a deep face and shit well i lived with this guy may stalworth who was a black guy and he used to think it was hilarious when i'd leave my facebook open and you remember like when the statuses used to be like tom sexton you're like you know that was like the format yeah it is yeah so we were both working for the basketball team at moorhead at the time and he used to think it was hilarious whenever i would uh leave the facebook open he would put tom sexton hates blacks another time he put uh tom sexton thinks black people smell funny tom sexton that actually is really offensive yo but i wouldn't say i wouldn't

see it till i'd walk into the gym and i noticed everybody would just be like fucking like weird to me and i was like and he would just be up there slapping his leg laughing his ass off because he didn't tell anybody you know what i mean as a troll like you generally go with like tom sexton has a small penis like tom sexton no no no he was trying he was trying to assassinate my character with this he's trying to get you assassinated brother yeah yeah i'll never forget sam goodman i love sam goodman too sam goodman come up to me, and he just wanted to talk about my views. You know what I mean? But in the harshest terms, I was like, why do you talk?

And I was just lost. I was like, what the fuck is he talking about? He tried to have the anti-racist talk with you. Yeah, he was coming to me trying to have a serious dialogue with me. And I was like, what are they talking about? And then I would just see Mays up there just crying, laughing his ass off i was like what is it and then somebody finally told me i was like you son of a bitch the smells funny thing is really funny man because i'm just imagining like a like a really insecure black guy on the team you know and in the locker room he's just like

like using so much fucking axe or colota some shit like that when he sees you covered it's like yo dude you're good man you're good bro i didn't say that first i didn't say that i think you smell great actually you have a heavy musk to you that is character assassination that's what this athletic director was trying to do this principle this is also what he got the ai voice to say um it said and if i have to get one more complaint from one more jew in this community i'm going to join the other side the voice you know okay so how this all right so like how this got viral that is low was that the athletic director sent it to three people one of which was a faculty member the faculty member sent it to a student telling them to like blow it up so that it would go viral and

it did what is there a coalition against this principal this is like the most hated principal in america what did he do yo it doesn't like it doesn't say like maybe he was just, you know, strict, overly strict. Like, maybe he just. Because you know he's hated when the teacher passes it on to a student. This is some Neil Gandy shit, though. It really is. It is. Past principal.

And here's the terrifying part of it, okay? Like, all these experts ran through various software to be able to determine that it was real like the thing is is about a lot of this ai stuff it says they they ran the audio through several different ai detection techniques which consistently concluded it was fake though they could not be 100 sure so like a lot of these AI detection technique programs don't give you with 100 percent accuracy whether this is real or not. Yeah, because I mean, I'm not a I'm not an audiologist. I'm not a sound scientist. I don't know the fucking word. But like I'm assuming that there are like certain pitches and modulations. But OK, when it comes to images, I mean, I personally think that that uncanny valley will be never conquered. I think images, video will always look weird.

But sound is a little bit different. So the better that it gets, we might just have Biden come out with a mixtape. You know what I'm saying? Where he's dropping N-bombs. You know what I mean? And they'll play that shit on Fox News or something. I was just going to say, did you see in Drake's War of Words with Kendrick Lamar, he did a freestyle with an AI version of Tupac and Snoop Dogg?

I did hear something about that. And now Tupac's estate is going after Drake, suing him over that, and he's taking it down from all of his social media and everything. But hold up. They didn't get mad about the Tupac hologram at south by southwest like was that 10 years ago or something that's a more egregious offense that is a way more egregious offense what the thing is is like um we all know it's not tupac right it's like that's true but what if what are we sure it's not tupac yeah what if they were what if they were giving tupac statements that real Tupac wouldn't say, and then we can't be 100% sure?

He's like, I like police. I hate every cop. Well, if you think about it. Instead of thug life, it says police life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blue lives matter. I vote GOP. A lot of people don't know this about tupac's private life well if you think about it though tupac was perhaps the earliest victim of like ai impersonation and stuff you

know because everybody's like man how's tupac predict the future and it was really people just sort of like monkeying with his like left behind vocals to manipulate it to say it sound right in a way tupac's like recordings you know from the early aughts on are like the earliest examples of deep fakes that's true and also too i mean this is probably unrelated but also to the conspiracy surrounding him where his image became so much larger than life that it lasted beyond his death you know where his image was malleable you know what i mean yeah yeah only a handful of people like it's like him bob marley and kurt cobain really that's kind of yeah yeah that's true actually yeah yeah well no one's

i'm not seeing anybody doing ai deep fates of kurt cobain interesting didn't somebody do one the other day are they doing with the with the simpsons thing i think so i think I think I might have heard something about that. Damn. This deep fake conservative Tupac. Oh, man, dude. They may have ought to looked into AI for the Bob Marley Bob. Oh, don't even get me started on that, man. They say tax the rich. I say tax the poor.

He's like, what is Tupac talking about about gotta run the homeless in camp and sell open like instead of redemption song or some shit like that he would be advocating for like the use of nuclear weapons you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm trying to think of my best bob barley but i'm not gonna disrespect a man like that i'm trying to think of my best bob barley but i'm not going to disrespect a man like that i'm not i'm not going to disrespect him with fine people in jamaica by doing my listen chad my parents are jamaican and i feel fucked up when i'm so what what i need to know uh what's what's the conclusion with this story is this guy is this gym athletic director going to is there a jail ai jail like is this a cry is this under yeah what is this what would this be under libel or i guess maybe a libel or i guess maybe libel or identity theft blood blood it's a new category that we

usher in recently i said they just arrested him i don't know what chart what charges they brought but the the um the principal however it's like he's been fully redeemed and everybody feels bad now they're like we're sorry we all believed that you made these calls i mean the thing about the ai biden songs is that um we know they're fake because we know biden would not first of all like but first of all biden is uh i'm sure biden does say racist slurs behind closed doors i'm 100 positive well we know for a fact that my man is definitely not there enough to like freestyle off the top of the dome like he's not in the studio no no he's not he's not cooking up anything in the studio although it was kind of wild he did he he read no homo off of uh teleprompter at his last speech. That was kind of weird.

That's true. There was pause. There was some gay shit in the crowd when that tweet said that. He's put his hand out, pause. Oh, shit, man. But I guess the thing is about this principle is that enough people did believe it. I think he was suspended for a while. They thought he really did this. It was like a scarlet letter situation.

I guess he was like, please believe me. But what if, what if like, what if like, uh, uh, even after they found out it was fake,

they hate him so much. They still, yeah. Okay. Some people still believe it. You're not, we, we,

we, we've gathered. You're not racist. we've gathered you're not racist we've determined you're not racist however we're just gonna let you stay at home you're a piece of shit we don't like you kind of a bad situation to be in you know also too would be really funny if at that school uh it became like a microcosm of 9-11 you had like like uh truthers who believe like a contingent who have believed that this prince president is still uh incredibly racist uh-huh support to him man support we need we need we i feel like that's a harmless no that's not a harmless conspiracy that that is ruining someone's life well that could that could be the thing though like maybe he did actually say

these things and the athletics director was like well i'm just going to basically take his words that he said in private and put them through a language learning modulator you know what i'm saying so like maybe yes now you're just getting me think about people being like um you know when they have uh like i'm trying to think like a reimagining or something like that like if it's a new segment right and they're maybe reimagining a crime scene you know right what if instead of like we don't have the 911 call anymore so we're just going to recreate it with open ai or whatever it's called you know uh that's we're entering a very bad era aren't we boys it's bad we are pretty bad like i mean other than just the obvious horrors we'll get to. I mean, like, it's just going to, like, we're not going to know what's right, what's wrong, up is down, down is up.

Like, I mean, and it was bad enough during the, like, I couldn't imagine a worse time to introduce all this AI shit than, like, bookending what many are calling the misinformation era. Exactly. An era of fake news right actually i was i was thinking because we haven't brought this term up in a minute but maybe this is the uh maybe this is the resolution to the e-crisis you know you know well not but now a resolution you know what i mean but maybe this is a way to like you know not a good not a good resolution but you know uh i guess i don't know maybe this is off. Maybe this is a little bit, I don't know, off the mark. But, I don't know, I think about it in the way that kind of liberalism deals with the self.

I mean, all political systems, right, are about many different things, but especially how to deal with the self, you know, especially in relation to, like, the Soviet Union and other models of political economy. other models of political economy. But yeah, maybe AIs, this is like a paradigm where this is like a reconciliation of, you know, of like, I don't know. I guess we'll find out. I guess, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's, like I said, it's, you know,

if you have any enemies, just watch out, all right? Because they may be coming for your ass in a way you could not have originally foreseen or predicted. Or predicted? I mean, this is the thing, man, about we're reaching this new paradigm shift of unknowns, you know? Where it's no longer about playing pranks, right, on the people that you hate. It's no longer sending, like, a glitter bomb to their house, you know where it's no longer about playing pranks right on the people that you hate it's no longer sending like a glitter bomb to their house you know now it's about uh ruining their lives would you say that people yeah it's just we're going to get in the business of ruining lives and reputations it's like just sport literally just sport perhaps it's what i

deserve for all the prank calls i made to dr jack cox as a young man this is your penance brother oh man that motherfucker was so over it at a certain point he's like you boys do realize i've heard them all by this point yeah like i'm i'm invulnerable right now like i my thick my skin is so thick that it cannot be penetrated right now. Hey, dude, it just was basically saying, I'm Tony Montana. I'll take all your bullets. There's nothing I haven't heard. All right.

Well, then let's, having got that out of the way, having, you know, got a little bit of the jitters out, so to speak. Talk about a little bit of shenanigans a little lightness yeah it's talking about the division between reality and fantasy or constructed reality um uh this has been a how do you put it how do you uh how do you overstate something like this or understate it can i can i put it this way it got so bad that i called you terrence not that i wouldn't call you normally right but i was like freaking out in the middle of the day like you know i mean i was freaking out call i'll call tom freaking out the middle of the night before but i call i like

i was just like i have to talk to somebody yo you were the first time calm you're not because i can imagine terrence just sitting on the edge of his seat just biting his nails as I was doing. That's how bad it was, man. I had to break the glass and make an emergency freaking out, spiraling the drain call. You know what I mean? It was definitely spiraling the drain.

We were definitely breaking the glass and pulling the fire alarm. It seemed like things kind of reached a crescendo, at least for this week, yesterday. Obviously, they are not going to end anytime soon, and we are recording this on Friday afternoon, April 26th. But at the moment that, let's just say this, you can pretty much condense the events of the last week into a very short and pithy thread of events.

Columbia president calls in the police to disperse an encampment. It spreads to college campuses all across the United States. Including as recently as Atlanta at Emory yesterday. Emory. Both public universities, private universities, whatever. And it got so bad

that yesterday you even had photos of snipers on rooftops at Indiana University. IU? IU. About time they get some shooters there. Fucking broke motherfuckers.

Goddamn. That little basketball humor coming at you. Probably not the time. I'm sorry. No, that was good. That was great. Like, y'all see these posts where people are posting like student organizers are protesting the um the schedule or whatever it is right of events for the day

it's all arts and craft shit bro it's all like praying circles and shit like that and you're telling me they have snipers yeah like just just to put that in context about how i mean insane this shit has gotten right now i mean dude i uh went to the university of texas where the quite well you could probably say one of the very first modern school shootings ever occurred uh charles whitman got in the top of a clock tower originators of of the form We have originators of the form With a sniper rifle And was just sniping students on the quad So it's

I just saw that video I just saw that photo of that sniper up there And it's like 9 out of 10 school shooters give this one A full Charles Whitman endorsement This is Future school shooters are watching this and being like, yo, he's cooking.

He's coming up with new forms of slaughter. Like, what the fuck, dude? Ah, it's so fucking dark, man. That's so fucking dark. Yeah, it's like every time, like, a school campus shooting happens, we do this hand-wringing, and it's like, oh, but, you know, the thread of that is fine

as long as we're trying to, you know, keep the rabble in line, you know. It does have this really weird dissonance because it's like, oh, this is the party that has been ostensibly for gun control. They, you know, every time there's a school shooting, they, you know, make the rounds and say how much we need change, but then don't actually do any change. And they are now the ones sending in the school shooters. And so I think the thing is, to me, in that moment, that image, that singular image kind of did it for me. It was like, yeah, okay, the thing you heard so many times in 2016, the canard you heard, oh, the Democrats are bad, but the GOP is a death cult. They're obviously a death cult. And while I think that was true for the most part, it is also undeniably true

about the Democrats now. A hundred 100%. They hate the future. They hate children because children, kids represent the future. Absolutely. And so it is, I don't know, because we could sit here, and we probably should for the next hour or so, try to pick apart, like, why is this happening?

Why are they so, why have they overreacted this badly? Why have they reacted this way at all? You could say one reason is because deep down they do have a hatred of the future like that those kids going to diane feinstein's office right and her being like patting them on the head like this and telling them that they can they can run whenever they're old enough that they can run exactly her promptly dying uh you know four hours later fuck you and your future you little cunts and then just fucking oh god fuck i'm dead did the family guy fall with her arm behind her back or some shit right also too i just want to like highlight what you said terrence this is a i mean like i was just thinking about like uh

not that i give a shit anymore but just like is this really their strategy with the youth vote right is that like you're just gonna send cops and state troopers to beat the shit out of them on college campuses you know what i mean like it truly is like like an epitome of you're right fuck the future you know and i think because they know that young people don't trust them you know what i mean that there's this resentment as well with that you know what i mean maybe that's a good place to start this conversation is you know terrence and i were talking earlier over lunch about like that tweet that was like this biden committing political suicide let's start with that question what does this mean politically i guess for them for their chances

like is this like part of this some sort of careful uh calibration they've made that they there's an acceptable amount that they of fucking heat they can absorb from just like antagonizing us banning tiktok to a much less inconsequential degree, but nevertheless important for young people and all this stuff. Like what is their fucking calculus here? Yeah. Yeah, man. Me and Terrence were talking,

when we were talking on the phone the other day, like, I guess this is not so much about calculus, but this is just like, like it gets me thinking of a similar question. Like, and no, none of us know this.

I'm not a, I'm not a prognosticator, but if Biden or Trump will win, right. If it's possible that Trump will win. And I'm, I don't know, man, it seems I'm not, I'm not a statisticianosticator, but if Biden or Trump will win, right, if it's possible that Trump will win. And I don't know, man, it seems I'm not I'm not a statistician. I don't know numbers, but it seems like if you're willing to cleave off like such a important part of your base, you know, then I'm that they can cleave off this youth vote and just go for these moderate Republicans, the motherfuckers that we've talked about before who live in like Buckhead and shit, who are going to vote for Trump anyway?

You know, but maybe the Democrats think that, OK, they think Trump is unpalatable. You know, he's gone too far. You know what I mean? But I'm not I mean, I don't know. I'm not even fucking sure that's that'll guarantee him a win, man. I don't know. Yeah, it's interesting. So there's like several different things here like the thing about the if he's committing political suicide here um to me in the just me looking at it this far out in april i i don't really see what Trump's path to victory is. Like, I just can't necessarily see it.

And the reason I say that is because there's no substantial difference anymore between their two platforms. I mean, it feels like they've outflanked the right on Israel, Palestine and the border, and they've got the right neutralized on the abortion issue. And because they over the right overplayed their hand there. And so at the end of the day, it comes down to a question of like aesthetics and personality. And so like when I open up the op ed opinion pages of the Washington post and

they're saying, you know, every other fucking op ed is about how democracy dies in darkness and how about like we need to be voting for Biden because our liberal democracy could come to an end. It just rings really hollow to me. It is unwarranted hysteria because they at this point, Biden is not even trying to shore up a youth vote that would potentially give him enough buffer, enough margin of victory to get him over the finish line in some of these states.

And so to me, I don't think he's committing political suicide to me it looks like he's genuinely making a pivot towards a more conservative politic and i i mean i don't know i mean it just seems like that to me and and whether that has anything to do with the crackdown on campuses or not is a whole other question that we probably need to consider but like as it stands today april 26th i'm not entirely sure what like what is trump's appeal the whole thing was that he was a counter-systemic candidate. Well, if the Democrats have absorbed all of the reaction, if they've absorbed all of the capacity for reaction and the historical imperative for it, they've taken that role, they've taken that mantle,

then what can Trump do as an agent of reaction? That puts us in the counter-systemic position and there's no i just don't see what the the opening is for trump in that that is true they've defanged him not only as a practical matter with all of his myriad legal troubles but just as as as a practical matter they've taken his greatest strengths and just absorbed them themselves so exactly exactly exactly and that's the whole that's the whole thing that like we've speculated going back ever since november like trying to understand the administration's position on israel and palestine like part of my uh speculation was that they just genuinely have been trying to make a more conservative pivot for a while just because it seems like that's where the opening is at. like nancy pelosi or like the captains of the democratic party it does seem like there is a

respectable middle that has opened up that doesn't want to go with trump because of the whole aesthetic unpleasantness and also because of i think the biggest thing is because of the overturning of roe v wade and so if that's the case then i think that like by by pivoting to the right they can pick up what they think they uh like they think they can undercut trump's base of support and um and do it in a you know less costly fashion maybe this is just i don't know maybe this could just be like really bog standard like low-hanging fruit analysis right like i don't actually know but at the end of the day we're all fucking speculating anyways because they make so many contradictory statements all the time like their whole their whole approach to tiktok for example

the new york times actually even had a story that was like i saw that it was like it was like it's like biden bans tiktok but, but he courts TikTok influencers, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think we brought that up on the show before. I think I brought it up on the show before, too. It's like... But I don't know, man. Not to kind of go back to something, but you were talking about sort of absorbing, right,

all of the rights, sort of all the things that Trump had touted, right? And immigration, right? Didn't we just pass the most draconian, harshest immigration bill, decades you know there was a bipartisan effort right so i mean like it was like it's like an aid package i don't know if it was like a bill in the sense that like i don't think that they but anyways yeah i know what you're saying yeah yeah yeah yeah no but i mean i i just think that like i guess i don't know i guess what i'm saying is like what i mean we're all speculating here man but what what like all i could think about all those like real like hardcore trump freaks you know who are gonna vote for him

either way you know what i mean yeah but i don't know i don't i mean that's not a big enough margin right where have all the cowboys gone though i mean i just feel like those people don't really exist meaningfully yeah yeah at least not in the numbers they did in 2020 i mean i don't wanna i mean i just remember the rallies man i mean i, you know, I don't know if I just remember just looking at some of these rallies, man, and just seeing like thousands of people show up. You know what I mean? Yeah. And just the energy for Trump. And now it just kind of feels like we said it before. Like he's he's not quaint. He seems that's almost how they see. Yeah. He only seems quaint. I hate to sound really paranoid here and like, you know, just kind of like noided out. But like genuinely some days I look at these polls and I'm like, this can't be real.

Right. Because I live in so-called Trump country and I just don't see the fervor. There just is no way they're tied in the polls. There's no long signs anymore. Yeah. I mean, granted, I guess Biden is that bad. He could be doing that bad he could be doing that bad but it also could be the case that fucking polls are cooked and they like are

trying to make us feel like there is some urgent need for hysteria and like to you know gotv like we need to fucking get out there and hit the pavement for biden because he's neck and neck with i mean i don't even know if they could engineer something that sounds very no no no no no no actually can i can i can i stop you for a minute because they accidentally engineered something like this no not accidentally but they were sending god what was it was it man what state was it dude i think the democratic party was sending campaign material it was it was when god what what fucking i cannot remember the fucking senator's name man but they were sending anti-trump um they were sending campaign material that was associating i guess their candidate with trump right right something like that but they were sending them to conservatives right like that was in virginia i think that was in virginia like idiotically sending it to conservatives so

it kind of i don't know if it backfired but just sort of like this this i mean i don't even know what i'm saying man i don't even know if they could engineer something like that on purpose but by accident they're a bunch of fucking idiots so maybe yeah maybe it could be i mean i think of the pied piper strategy i don't know how legit that is but just the idea that i mean we all know this they wanted to platform trump because they thought he'd be easier to fucking beat you know and look And look how that turned out. Well, I, this, I, again, it's pretty stupid to say, and we'll move on after this, but I just don't see, I don't see a path for Trump. And that's why I don't think the hysteria is warranted,

even if there was a path, even if Trump was surging ahead, even if it did look like he would win. I still think enough people would, like, coalesce around Biden in the end. And even if Trump did look like he would win i still think enough people would like uh coalesce around biden in the end and even if trump did win i don't really see it's like we were saying on the phone the other night aaron it's like when i think of a trump presidency i can get the general contours i can get the outline of that but a second biden term that's an abyss man like i don't know it's like a black hole yeah i don't know what that even looks like yeah it could be like the uh the final joker's card of the dark carnival you know

what i mean we could finally we could finally be there like finally not the beginning of the end but this is it yeah that's exactly right i think all of it gets at this very visceral feeling of hopelessness. And futurelessness. And futurelessness. And the reason why I have been in a pit of despair this week is that the crackdowns on the campus protests and the encampments is an indication to me that as we pointed out this is the sort of primary contradiction of the moment like i i was telling this to tom and katie yesterday but like all throughout my 20s and 30s i was was a part of the abolitionist movement because a lot of us really thought that mass incarceration and race

in America would be the primary contradiction. And by that I mean the pole around which everything, if shit ever hit the fan, would start to unravel. And while that is a major contradiction at the heart of America's democracy and ability to socially reproduce some people also thought climate change would be something similar. It is now apparent that what is

the primary contradiction is the Israel-Palestine conflict not because Americans have these moral concerns one way or the other even though that is a big part of it. A lot of American ideology these moral concerns one way or the other, even though that is a big part of it,

a lot of American ideology is filtered through this issue. But mainly because this is such a keystone of American empire in the way it functions. And if you have an empire that is in decline, obviously this would be the thing around which it would start to sort of unravel and so when i say it's a primary contradiction i mean that like you can go out in the quad of your university and uh rally for black lives matter you can go rally for against climate change and all this other stuff and to varying degrees on that spectrum uh you might get some pushback if it's black lives

matter if it's climate change they'll just ignore your ass but like i ain't worried about that yeah they don't give a shit unless you climb like you know like uh unless you uh fuck up or obstruct like property or something like that exactly well but pipeline i guess even even then i like even then when i was in college i had some friends that occupied the campus uh president's office because of the camp the uts ties to like sweatshops they didn't send in any cops they occupied that ship for like three days they didn't do anything like y'all just move down i'll just move down the hall yeah nothing happened and so like i'm anyways the point i'm trying to y'all remember when like westboro baptist used to come to campuses? Yeah.

They'd have like, the God hates, they'd even have God hates Jews, like, stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like, and yeah,

those guys could just post up forever and, you know. Or as we, security guards would wave at them and shit. As many people have pointed out, we pointed out on the Patreon, even the fucking alt-right guys who were literally chanting, Jews will not rip places,

they didn't get rug and run off by any fucking cops. They were allowed to do their thing, so they were even allowed to kill somebody. They killed somebody. They literally took somebody's life, yeah. So, I mean, and so what I'm saying is that school will be out in three weeks. All they had to do was just wait three weeks you're

so right dude but they couldn't they had to fucking press they had to punch the police brutality button like they there's not even any there's not even any equivocating on this all you got to do is watch the videos they were just doing art in the quad and the stormtroopers came and started fucking cracking school. And started tasing people and shit, dude. Also, too, man, this is where you get to see. I think you're so correct about this being a primary contradiction because you see in which in the way all these other issues are tied in. Right.

All I could keep thinking about was like, I mean, one, there is that philosophy professor. Right. Like these two white women. Right. Who I think that's why people were so shocked right these middle-aged white women getting assaulted by these fucking cops but i mean there was also that um that black student or protester um who was on the ground getting tased repeatedly that was what i mean they were i am i'm not kidding dude they were trying to kill that kid dude this is this is what i'm saying this is where you see all of these intersections with race right with like um with i mean i guess it's race as well but islamophobia you know what i mean all these like uh xenophobia all of this

and it's through the filter of empire you know i mean look yesterday the georgia state troopers these are the same motherfuckers that killed dorte gita right at um at uh the cop city shit right uh uh protesting against cop city yeah and they were the same fucking troopers that were like uh beating the shit out of kids yesterday or like fucking like who was sent to emory you know not only kids but a professor our professor two professors yeah two yes kids and a professor i mean like that video was crazy the professor she was just asking she was what are you doing yeah like what are you doing they beat the fuck out of her put her in a gel cell for 12 hours and then charged her with battery her um battery against a police officer her husband is dean of admissions at emory i saw that i saw that did you see all the while all the while

the pussy ass president of emory had like a private escort out of the place after all that happened dude like like i would tell you something bro you you should go commit seppuku in the quad tomorrow i'm serious it's not good enough for you no it's really not and you know what i have to point this out man you you see you mentioned this uh yesterday you mentioned this other experience on patreon but that these so-called learning centers are really sites of social reproduction right turning everyone into little automatons but you also see how much the the administration not the faculty not the professors that are marching in solidarity or camping in solidarity with the students i'm talking about i guess the motherfuckers that make uh uh appeals

to funders and donors right you see how much that shit is tied up in because i forget what donor it was who said that they would be withdrawing donations or funds or whatever from columbia grab a craft yeah yeah yeah uh a donald trump guy who once uh got caught in a rubbing tug and they people were spinning that like it's a bad thing like that he withdrew his funding and it's like no it's it's like the larry summers thing it's like why would you want to be associated with these fucking creeps in the first place like it's good good that they're doing actually all it says is that this is what this is what higher education is all about right this is what i mean this is why i guess i don't know you were asking a question the other day too why is it that they have so many ties to like the military and shit like that you

know what i mean and i guess research and stuff you know which kids could be working on building i don't know fucking shit that wouldn't kill people you know what i mean yeah and when they protest against building the shit that their school funds to kill people then you know what then they send the fucking cops and state troopers to beat the shit out of them to rehash what we said on the patreon just a little bit the entire like university of california university system is emblematic of this and the reason it was free tuition was because the defense industry was located there yeah and so when they got defense contracts like prime contracts they needed a skilled and reliable

workforce and so when i say that like students go to university to basically become automatons i don't mean it like literally like they have free thinking drilled out of them in fact it actually might be the opposite they are taught to think critically and to think freely about stuff but it's the environment itself that kind of provides like a sort of like neutralizing solvent it kind of like it tells you that like okay these are the these these are the wide range of ideas. Hayek on one side, free market economics, Karl Marx on the other side, and everything in between there you can experiment with and make a part of your own ideology. Just don't try to fucking blow up any government buildings

or strike and bring down the government. And I think that because it is all basically in service to your university which is tied into the community it becomes a kind of like neutralizing solvent and so like that by that i mean like these are organs of ideological reproduction they're organs of like determining what is and is an acceptable idea to have in society. But even that doesn't fully explain, I mean, I guess it does, it doesn't fully explain how violent and how quickly to violence they've gone on this.

Because as I said earlier, you could fully come out in the quad and say, I think we should have Stalin eat Green New Deal. Let's do Stalin Green New Deal with full communism now. And they're not going to beat your ass. They're just going to think you're a freak. They won't think you're a threat. But on this issue, they will fucking come and beat your ass.

In fact, like I said, I genuinely think they want a few deaths. I think they want blood. I don't know if they do consciously. I don't know if they sit consciously i don't know if they sit down and say like that's what we want we want fucking blood now but i do think that they're creating the conditions they're creating the conditions and i think the logic of the systems they've built up over these years it has it has like curdled so badly for them like there's no future left there's nothing left in the tank for them so it's like well let's just make a few sacrifices to the gods of the

market and the donors and that would maybe satiate our uh you know upper upper middle class upper class uh donors and alumni if they see enough kids black and brown kids and young people getting their asses beat on tv you know what i mean then they'll feel a little bit more assured about putting money up towards a financially supporting or backing the Democrats or liberals, right? Yeah. I think that that's it. I mean, it's a thing. But there's all kinds of different ways to look at it.

Like, hell, if the fucking Dems are making a right turn, they do need an enemy. They need a fifth column subversive element in American society. And, hell, students will fucking do. Just make an example out of them. But but student but the students, too, I think they'll just wrap that up in with like, I mean, I don't know, man, because if they're going to absorb the rights framing, then like who has I mean, I guess Trump especially was explicit about this. But the left right Marxist left, anarchist, you know? I mean, this doesn't have to literally be people like us ideologically. I'm not saying that.

But, like, the left and progressive activists and young people just getting lumped in together, you know? As maybe a step too far that the Democratic Party, it being the graveyard of social movements, they're that bulwark, you know? To make sure that the country never gets to that far. And that actually we can stay in the middle lane, even while they veerwark you know to make sure that the country never gets that to that get far and that actually we can stay in the middle lane even while they veer right you know yeah i did i mean it's if you are the president of fucking emory and like you get in your fucking stretch limo like at the end of civil war and try to do like a breakout like through the fucking barricades exactly kind of what it was it's just like you're right you have dishonored yourself go into the fucking quad take a fucking samurai sword and disembowel yourself wait can i can i can i ask a

question i know we talked about civil war i don't want to get back into it but did did did we see any uh any university uh administrators or or or whatever or whatever getting their tops blown off? Was it like that? No, it's just – They didn't touch on the academy, though. They didn't touch on the academy. They didn't touch on the academy. That's why you can't make a Civil War movie in America.

You're not touching on the academy, man. It's just the president tried to flee the White House with the forces closing in. And it's like they tried to do a breakout, right? And it's like they try to do a breakout right and it's like but in this in this situation it's like it's like i was telling you on the phone yesterday aaron it's like um in this situation the deviant enemy you've constructed it's like how i saw it i saw that clip of mike johnson at columbia insane by the way that they would allow the speaker of the house to come in and just insult the fucking university just like oh and also too like i mean uh straight up i mean just a right-wing

psycho man you know what i mean they i don't know they let right-wing psychos just like it's like like letting that yahoo address the congress that's true they do that all the time can you imagine that um well it's it's one of those things though it's like yeah anyway well i saw i saw the video of him at columbia and he's like um you know uh we must we must allow free speech we must not like clamp down on free speech and i like had just come in from the gym and i was kind of disoriented and tired and i just saw that like clip with the subtitle beneath it and I was like oh well he must be talking about not even thinking about who he is just for a second I was like oh he must be talking about police beating up students and then my brain kicked into gear and I was like oh wait that's

right he's talking about the students are the one the ones clamping down on our free speech this group of like motley 20 year olds are the ones that are so terrifying and militarized placard signs they're they're clamping oh i forgot yeah my bad dude dude also too it's just like i i i don't love the double standard it just fucking it drives me insane but like it's like yo these motherfuckers right because there's that there's a constant talk about increasing increasing anti-semitism on college campuses, right? And how Jewish students and professors, right? But what about Palestinian students, right?

What about people of color? I mean, I've seen tweets where right-wingers are posting photos of students being arrested. And just because they look non-white, they're like, oh, this is why we shouldn't be giving a student visas, right, to these people. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about you know what so it's the logical end point of all those fucking hasbro accounts like was stop anti-semitism and canary project and all this that like go and dock students their whole fucking like social security number address every single thing about them if they express even a modicum of support for the palestinians i mean they don't go that hard with like virulent anti-semites though oh no exactly the jews will not replace us people like there was no like campaign like stop like not in the same way do you know what i mean absolutely i mean but there was no like stop

jewish hate doxing all this stuff of like yeah like the far right wing kind of people that's an interesting uh i mean today i saw that uh i saw i didn't read the tweet i just kind of passed it but this leader of this christian nationalist group right is leading a pro-israel like rally or counter protest i think at columbia you know i mean we talked about this before how uh uh some of the most virulent anti-semites you know not only do these people never have anything to say about them but these people are not even jewish you know well it wasn't like netanyahu's son running around with like some far right uh like a nick fuentes type motherfucker yeah i thought so

i i mean i could be maybe that's is this is this you told netanyahu that uh there are 20 000 u.s students who've been trained in iran that was by hamas that was actually satire that that tweet was actually satire but it wasn't far from the actual thing which netanyahu said which was that american campuses are out of control this looks like 1930s germany and then he said the whole world is uh standing idly by like we basically aaron he did we should do something he said somebody he basically said he basically said he basically said somebody should do something about campuses and it's like dude he still got a twitter account what is this yo I mean I'm not even joking dog like next they're

gonna be like because they're already talking about uh pro-palestine protests are getting funded right where they're getting funded from you know mean, I'm making a joke, but, like, what if they're, like, yeah, there's some network, right, between American colleges and Hamas, right? There are tunnels. Well, dude, they're saying it's Soros. I mean, there's that one video I was watching a second ago, but, like, those Long Island evangelicals, which is always, like, fucked up to me because, like,

growing up in the South, like, I just, you'd never expect to hear someone with a Long Island. It's fucked up to me being a Northerner. I the south like i just you'd never expect to hear someone with a long island up to me being a northerner i'm just like what are you doing up here go somewhere else yeah if you've not accepted him in your heart it always it always throws me but they you're going to hell Father God, let the people know, Lord God, that this demonstration on Columbia's ground and all over America is being financed by Soros and other people that hate America as well as the CCP. We're taking down the CCP. All of us have turned away from the Lord, each one doing his own thing, as the prophet Isaiah said. Therefore, Leviticus 26 has become alive. We have been infiltrated.

They're talking like Soros is funding these people. And it's like, okay, dude, this is how fucking crazy everything is. You've got an anti-Semitic trope being deployed as this, like— Zionist. Yeah, pro-Zionist. Pro-Zionist. Well, I mean, no, it makes sense because the Nazis were all about Israel. They were like, get the fuck out of here. You know what I mean?

So I guess it makes perfect sense it is just wild though to see them picking up these case like these these like textbook examples of like modern anti-semitism and not even seeing that like not even seeing like they are literally picking up like far right anti-semitic talking points and saying that this is proof of anti-semitism on campuses and this is what this this is why i was sitting on the edge of my seat the other day just chewing my fucking nails off and losing my mind because in the aggregate what this means is that there is no end it just keeps spiraling around and around and around endlessly so that you've got a situation where the fucking prime minister of Israel is saying,

somebody should do something. And by that, we mean invade America. Who's to say invade college campuses? Yeah, who's to say something about it? And that feeds into various anti-Semitic tropes because then people are sitting around and saying, why is this foreign government dictating to the United States?

And then they draw the conclusion like, well, maybe Israel is dictating terms to the United States and running how the United States goes. We know that's not the case. That's not actually how it works. But at the same time, it is something that's operative.

Well, people mentioned before, dude israel being the biggest uh proponent of uh anti-semitism in the world you know what i mean and like it's just again man i just i know it makes no sense to talk about the double standards dude but i just can't like the uva the the texas right uh university of austin texas right yeah i know people brought it up but i think about Uvalde, man. And I just think about the same way that image of the sniper on the roof is clarifying for you. The students at the University of Texas getting their asses beat by state troopers fucked me up. The same cops, by the way. These aren't even like, it's not even like a hack.

A rotation thing. They wouldn't crack a sweat to help kids in Uvalde. It was a school shooting. Somebody was like, well, how do you, some asshole in my comments asshole my comments is well how do you know those are the same guys i guarantee you at least one if not a dozen of the same motherfuckers that were there standing outside of a classroom while children were being slaughtered were beating the shit out of kids yo like students 100 percent one. I mean, I don't know. I mean, like, I guess we should have known, and, like, we did know, right? But it's, like, you know,

obviously that, like, criticizing Israel in any way would become a free speech, like, no-go red line because of all the BDS, anti-BDS legislation that's been passed. But, like, what really gives me so much cause for concern and maybe it's not maybe it's not concern i don't know maybe maybe it could present openings well let me ask you a question though like could we not argue that the sanctions on cuba are anti-Latino. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. Play the identity game all day or like that. Our myriad crimes in the middle East aren't Islamophobic. Like, like exactly, exactly, exactly. Well,

I mean, even if, even if we'll go ahead, Terrence, we're going to say something. Go ahead. Well, I guess I just,

the trend here is not, I'm just trying to be realistic with people. Things are not looking up. This is not good because, like I was saying, I was in college. I was on campus in 2009, 10, 11. At that time, that's when the first flotilla, when they fucking raided that first flotilla

and just murdered multiple people on board um at that time like i was a young whippersnapper my early 20s i was like it was like oh well like you know by uh obama's in the white house like hillary is at the state department regardless of like how pro-israel they are they do seem to be challenging in hindsight that's really funny his like he's in the state department in hindsight that's really funny i mean i don't know what we you know right right no but we know now um but i thought like at the time like oh they'll probably eventually hammer out some cynical fucked up two-state solution that'll just kick the can further down the road and uh you know that'll set

up another round of like war and various contradictions and everything else that did not happen at all mostly not even mostly literally all because israel did not want it to happen they never wanted a two-state solution. They always wanted expanded settlements, and they just pushed for that over the past 15 fucking years. So that now you've got to the point where you've got these dumb motherfuckers who really do think, and I really do think sometimes, Blinken is a 100% dyed-in-the-wool racist.

There is no changing my mind on that i mean did you hear the fucking the the he was sitting in on uh fucking reports or some shit like that of idf soldiers uh committing rape and shit like atrocities and stuff like that and he's just sitting there oh not commenting has said nothing The classic thing, they did the classic thing that they have been doing on that. So that came out that he's sitting on reports. They responded by saying well, we will sanction

one unit of the IDF. Netanyahu and the Israeli government got mad about that. So then they came back today, it came out today, that they actually weren't going to sanction anybody. They said, oops, our bad, bad we won't do anything we'll just let you continue and so it's but hamas can hamas can commit uh sexual crimes uh without any proof at all i don't want to i don't listen i don't want to like i don't want to join the chorus of people it's like well

it's just a netanyahu problem you got to get rid net and yahoo and that's the problem i think a good will gesture to help bridge this though would just be to blow his brains out today we'll start let's just start there and then build a build and then we can build out from there well i have a talk with him like call him to the office if you're biden and then when he walks in there just like tomm Tommy in Goodfellas, make sure he can't have an open casket. None of that shit. And then let's just start from there.

You just have a guy standing behind the door, so when the door closes after he stepped in, just boom. Oh, shit. Ben Gavir's car was, he got in a car accident today. And, I mean, the photos, photos like everybody was saying it's an accident and obviously if it wasn't an accident if Iran for example or Hezbollah or someone did actually manage

to like get a fucking bomb under that fucking thing Israel would never admit it but there was a photo of him laid out on the road like oh they got me oh they got me. Oh, they got me. That was pretty satisfying. Oh, man.

Someone quoted it and said, what was it, like, God be with the road or something like that. Dude, this is off topic, and I don't want to be edgy, but, I mean, it was funny. I don't give a fuck, dude. I don't give a fuck. These people are demonic. I don't want to be edgy but i mean it was funny i don't give a fuck dude i don't give a fuck these people are demonic i don't give a shit um did you see that video of that settler um who walked up towards a palestinian flag on the side of the road and then just like dude like i think we talked about it last page bugs bunny ass act me looney tunes fuck

well i i like posted i was like why does the person who watched her husband get blown up like not react people were like she's in shock and it's like i get that you fucking warrens i'm saying why does she not react and then the first thing she says she's like huh well uh nevertheless it's like her tone of voice is what was so weird about it it's so blasé i mean it's just like oh yeah we're just used to getting bombed because we're just invading and occupying this space, you know what I mean, where we're not supposed to fucking be. Yeah, I don't know, man.

Oh, man. They're fucking Nazis. It's good to know that you can just draw a black hole in the side of the mountain and they'll walk into it, though. That is encouraging. No, you got to draw a hole on the the side of the mountain and they'll walk into it though that is encouraging no you gotta draw a hole on the black side of that you gotta like put like a paint a giant panty in the middle of yes literally put like a mountain of women's panties in a fake cave and rig it and then just drop anvils on their head and pianos and that's how we're fucking

yeah if you want to die a looney tues ass death you can get you know i'm saying we can continue that then you know i just we come back to the question of like what why has the why have the universities reacted like this i mean is it as simple as like this is a red line like so many so many of their funders are like in hock to israel in the settlement project that they have received extreme pressure from their funders i think that's probably a big part of it right but at the same time look at the same time a lot of their funders are coal executives but like their coal like they weren't you know bringing down the batons on like environmentalist protesters who were asking them to divest from coal companies yeah i mean it's dude it it i know i said it

before man but i i truly do think that like really parsing out this contradiction you know and um sort of like diving into it i feel like it will indict america you know it'll indict the united states it will as like a settler colonial project. I'm not saying that they are actually actively thinking about this. Look at what, I mean, this is what they use the cops for. I mean, I just can't stop thinking about them sending, after they killed a forest offender, you know, that they would send the same, not they would send, that the school would call for the same state troopers yeah to murder young you know what i mean to potentially murder young people it's just like i mean this is why again with the forest right okay that is you did say you don't really see

you don't see that kind of crackdown environmentalism but you kind of have at least in atlanta that's true yeah you have in atlanta i guess i meant like on the campus but yes you are you are exactly right well well it's because i mean i don't know i i i mean that makes a little more sense to me right because like that's like that's not just an ideological project but it's a material investment right as things i don't know deteriorate or collapse you know you train cops so they can fucking i don't know fucking uh do counter insurgency right but like this seems like that's something that's so i mean i don't know how else to describe it man it's like i can understand cop city right i can understand them cracking down hard on that right i get that right but this you know you know this issue that's like i mean so dear to people's hearts but something

that also seems so far removed from people because it's so far. When people say, oh, this thing happening so far away, except that it's not, though. It's not at all. It's being brought back and being reproduced here. Yeah, I think the thing is you could look at it just like we could look at the entire thing from day one and say it's because they're all racists and they hate Palestinians. And I think that is 100 true but i think that explanation only gets you halfway like i'm i'm reading this book about segregation in the south and in south africa and like the point that the it's by this scholar named john's cell. And his point is that like,

yes, they were all racist, but they could have taken any route. They could have taken the extermination route. They could have sent them back to Africa, West Africa. Like, but why did they take the segregation route?

Like that has to be explained. Like, yes, they are all racist, but that you'll only get halfway with that explanation. And furthermoremore it's further complicated when you consider that a lot of the people pulling the levers on this are are themselves poc you know what i'm saying like people yes not to say that not to say that people who are poc

can't be racist because of course they can of course they can but you would just i mean i mean again yeah you know i don't know you know it It's just, I think it kind of just calls into stark relief. It's like we were joking on our call the other day, Aaron. It kind of calls into stark relief that when you saw the jokes about women prison guards working at Raytheon or POC drone operators dropping bombs, bombs it's like that is very bleak but i guess i didn't think about it dialectically in the sense that like people would see that and realize that there is nothing at the heart of the democrats project they would see that and be like oh shit like they did staff all these mid-level positions with non-white male people and nothing changed at all. And so their entire project is a farce.

It's fucking nihilism. There's nothing there. Also, too, you mentioned something. You talk about segregation. i i think maybe this can be related with like the cops just beating the shit out of people and not not giving a fuck about being recorded or documented right um because we see this clearly i mean people uh you could have seen that teacher getting um getting pulled down and arrested from how many different video cameras and angles i feel like i felt like everybody was documenting that which they should but to relate it to the segregation, I guess it's because, I don't know, you want to make a, you want to make it visible, right?

You want to make this, you want to make this, this sort of, I don't know, domination, oppression, control, you want to make it very visible to people, you know? I mean, I think, you know, I don't know how to connect this really, but like, you know, water fountains, right? Segregated water fountains. I think about that sign sometimes, right? And how insane that is, right? Because black people, you know, I guess they would know instinctively, right? That there's one fountain I can't drink from and one I can't, you know? But to have it there, you know, in like such starkness, I think it's just a reaffirmation, I guess is what I'm saying, right?

Yeah. Of the social order you know well and i think the thing is is that like the reason why you had the reason why like snick and uh what was martin luther king's was it yes no like slcc maybe acorn acorn it was acorn The reason, the part of their strategy, the reason why they got, like, you know, upper middle class white people to come down to the South and get the AASB was because, was because the media optics of that

would, like, be so shocking that it would wake up, like, average white America, right? Just be like, oh my God, like, this is fucking brutal. This is the face of brutality. The reason why I don't think there's any way out of this in any way that doesn't resolve itself non-contradictorily, even though the civil rights movement didn't resolve itself in that way,

it just, like I said, kicked the can further down the road for those things to be further unraveled later. said kick the can further down the road for those things to be further unraveled later is that like it's like i was telling you on the phone the other night this is the thing that will make your eyes like sort of so uh blackened and dark that like you feel like you're fucking losing it possessed or something yeah the thing is is that your average american has been raised with so much like the average american's education diet is like world war ii history docs history channel which is just round the clock like sort of programming in a way that's not it's not interrogating any deeper truth about history floating all sorts of conspiracy theories and everything else or i saw one it was like a psych

profile of hitler you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Not like actually, it's just like, I don't know, go ahead, Terrence. And so if they see like a white upper middle class professor getting their ass beat

for the cause, what they, they don't interpret it like your average white 60s person who saw that and said like, you know what,

racism has kind of gotten out of control we need to end pro started average white band average white band yes with uh bachman turner overdrive and that kind of stuff yeah clay they didn't go and create classic rock right exactly instead they see that and they say oh anti-semitism on campuses has gotten out of hand you know what i'm saying or they just they just they're just like oh why is this this this this uh grown person is throwing in her lot with the left you know with the crazy radical left and it's just like yo you're so right the crazy radical anti-semitic left anti-semitic in their construction i mean so i don't get it. Like, are these college kids also?

I mean, I guess they think that all Marxists are anti-Semites, right? Because in my construction, like, I mean, our whole entire, not our whole entire, but it's just weird that they, I mean, because I guess, yeah, I guess people are bringing up anti-Semitism on the left. But it's just so contradictory. They're throwing in all these contradictions that don't really make any sense to me. But then I think about the people that you're talking about, right? If they see an old white lady getting her ass beat, I mean, we saw this in 2020. We saw that older man in Buffalo getting knocked to the ground by the police and getting his head cracked open. Yeah, dude. And you think that seeing, I mean, and a lot of people were upset about that.

I mean, moms from Portland, right? They had come out. A lot of demographics that I didn't think before i would see come out in support you know yeah but this just seems like a a a shut and like a shut case you know what i mean like there can be no entertaining debate about it you know yeah it can only be like well i mean i guess we got old anti-semitic white ladies now you know what i mean on college which is also kind of the scary thing about it because it's completely insulated from any kind of critique just in the average person's mind. But on top of that, it's so frightening because it's like sort of the final frontier here, right? Like if you're allowed to just slaughter a group of people, there's nothing else after that.

Like there's nothing to fight that like there's not nothing to nothing to fight for after that like we've we've you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah that's why i like to the degree that there's energy from these campus protests and all this kind of stuff this is like a moment where we got to really maximize this because this this is this is a whole different thing you know yeah this, this is paradigm shifting, man. I was going to make a joke, but like, you know, it was like when old white ladies start getting their ass beat by the cops, you know shit's bad. You know what I mean? But like also to like to kind of put like, because you said something earlier, Terrence, not in on the Doomer note, and to kind of put like a, you're right, Tom.

Like this is a paradigm shift and this is a moment, you know, I mean, as much as I'm horrified when I see those videos of cops assaulting students, you know, peaceful protesters. The fact that people keep coming back the next day and they keep asking people to come back. And I saw a video today, man. I was like, I don't know, man. It was so inspiring. It was like these protesters pushing against these cops who I guess were blocking the entrance to some college. I forget which one. Yeah, I saw that one too. They were charging at them with their signs and placards and the cops

started getting irate right like one cop is yelling and one kid is like you're a fucking pussy and it was like yo i wasn't there and you can't tell from the ankle but they looked scared like the cops looked scared because they were being hemmed in and that shit was really really galvanizing authority well and there's still the sense that like if we mow down a group of college kids this is this is a bad deal you know what i mean there's that like there's that sort of check still today today right okay now we got snipers on the roof and shit like we talked about like who knows how long that's going to be true for um you know so yeah i don't know i don't know i don't know you know what happens from here i don't know like if something bad were to happen like what does that what's the political implications of that and i don't i'm not saying

that to put it in ether like that i think that was but i'm saying like if that were to you know i dude i think i don't want to you know i'm like don't put any bad juju out there but i just think about i just i just think about if it seems it seems at this point that the democrats have doubled down so much that god forbid if something was to happen on the college campus that oh they'd say fine yeah you know what i mean like they shouldn't have been they shouldn't have been anti-semitic i mean look at look at man terrence talked about that today over lunch, like, just kind of half-jokingly,

that, like, Israel could probably bomb, like, a poorer state in the United States, and the Democrats would go and just be like, well, that was okay because of the rising tide of anti-Semitism. This is our... And white roll of rage. Listen, the herd needed to be fanned in West Virginia. Yeah.

This is our thought experiment. Like, what do you think is the red line for Democrats? Like, this is a genuine question. Like, what do you think Israel could bomb in the U.S.? I don't think bombing a state is a red line, to be honest with you. I think, as me and Tom just decided, it depends on the state, I think. It depends on the state and the industry, right? In the state, right?

If they bombed California or New York, they'd be like... It depends on the part of New York, but if they bombed California, anywhere on the western seaboard, they'd probably be pretty pissed about that. But if they bombed Iowa or West Virginia, they'd be like, well, that's fine. If they bombed like iowa or like west virginia they'd be like well that's fine you could just fucking it's like if they bombed texas they would cease to exist they really they really would but then again then again greg abbott said that if you're an enemy of texas you're an enemy of israel or if you're an enemy of israel you're an enemy of texas so it's true maybe i maybe i'm maybe my estimation of texas needs to be lower you know i think about i think about um in black shirts and reds um he has a section where he talks about um uh the allied forces the united states primarily um bombing um german targets but if it was like an ibm factory it was a factory that had business abroad they would tell them to the bombers to

avoid bombing those assets you know so i can clearly imagine that like like democrats be like you could bomb west virginia but we really like not not like not like you know martha's vineyard you know yeah don't get too close to like the greenbrier don't get too close to like yeah don't get up into metro dc but like keep it in hillbillyville you know don't don't don't get too close to like yeah don't get up into metro dc but like keep it in hillbillyville you know don't don't don't get don't get uh to any places that have uh neighborhoods or uh communities that uh have names like poplar you know or oakwood or some shit like that or terrace yeah yeah yeah anywhere that has a martin luther king boulevard that is especially malcolm Oh, they just put up

a Malcolm X Boulevard in some state? Yeah, get that one right there. Go for it. Oh, my God, son. I mean, it's like a fucking very macabre and grim bit, but it does hint at a certain truth,

which is that there are zero signs that the United States government run by the Democrats would protect American citizens in any way if Israel decided to, let's say, invade a campus and pacify it with extreme prejudice. Bro, yo, how much you want to bet the same cops fucking up students now went to do these training programs when they trained with the idf and then they came back and now they're beat so you could already say that is no let me stop because then you dead people get in weird conspiracy shit yeah but seriously though like and that's the thing about even talking about this i know that's why that's why it is a that's that's not an accident guys i mean dude no i i mean again this is why like you know biggest proponent of

antisemitism man like i could talk to somebody about the uh the the gilly program right this officer exchange program like literal influence right right but if i i mean yeah and i think you're right tom the way that it's engineered is so that instead of that people have to walk that fine line you know what i mean oh no yeah when you're out when you're when you're when you have to walk on eggshells to condemn genocide like you're already behind the eight ball you know what i mean exactly yeah that's a better way to put it exactly that's right yeah well i i mean i guess we'll know if um if a police precinct ever gets like uh invaded or burned down like in 2020 and like they are running through the halls of like the evidence uh lockers and they just like find like boxes of women's underwear that they like

the police officers have been it's like yep they were these ones were trained by the idea also it just seems like uh i don't know man this is kind of unrelated but it's just making me think of like the cops and fentanyl and that whole kind of spectrum yeah yeah and like why is it that all these motherfuckers have weird eyes but well not not weird but like like avert like either aversions or weird fetishes yes yes yes it's fentanyl with cops and it is women's underwear with these freaking freaks in the idf yo yeah uh-huh well normal around substances or clothing items, man. I think to me, one of the most interesting images, and we can start wrapping up here, but I think one of the most interesting images to kind of meditate and dwell on is the fact that the husband of that professor who was beat at Emory is the dean of admissions at

Emory. And so this, to me, gets at the heart of what's going on. Because honestly, the thing about this that's so fascinating, that would differentiate it from when I was in college, is that across the board, we've covered it on this show for fucking months now, is that the university is in a state of crisis. And I don't know how true that is. I don't know how much of it is manufactured.

But if taking taking for example a public land grant university like wvu look at the person installed to run that university one of the most anti-semitic someone who said one of the most anti-semitic things i've ever heard recently uh gordon gee um this this kind of gets it it comes at a moment i guess is what i'm saying it comes at a moment of crisis for the university and because it's kind of like a... It comes at a moment, I guess is what I'm saying. It comes at a moment of crisis for the university. And because it's kind of like beset on all sides by various forces that are trying... Yeah, true.

Whether it's the military industrial complex that's trying to literally hollow out to the university to turn it into basically just an R&D factory for, let's face it it probably the fucking same ai programs like lavender that they use in gaza like where do you think that was created like i'm sure it was created at a fucking you know at an mit or some shit exactly and no disrespect to the kid i mean this is why i they want them to divest right yeah i think they want their not only their the money their tuition but

even the education that they're getting to not be used to kill people yeah that that is something that fucking pisses me off like i think that reporter for the new york times as jane coaston is that her name something like that she was like i don't understand why these students like they get so up in arms over this issue that they have that has nothing to do with them it's just like okay like nothing to do with them i mean go to the fucking school you moron she didn't say that about she that was those weren't her exact words but that was the gist of what she was saying just to be clear i mean i mean that's that's i mean to me that's no different than like i mean that's even worse than a local politician you know um um uh you know asking why are protesters protesting about this thing when they should be going to washington or something like that you know

that's even worse because like that's their school that's their tuition that's their community exactly that's their where they pay the tuition that's where they are going to learn sensibly about the world and get credentialed to then go forth also what a disgusting notion that like oh well like if it doesn't affect you directly you should just have this detachment to it like you can't just on a human level be disgusted by a group of people being exterminated dude they do the same thing with black with black support right you know from black activists right the black radicals and stuff know, or just black people of good conscience, right, they're like, oh, well, well, why is it, why is it, why are, why are all these BLM protesters, you know what I mean, why are they, and it's like,

it's like, dude, like, first of all, if you can't see, if you can't understand that kind of, that, that parallel, right, you know, between, I guess, like, how the black community sees the way it's treated, and Palestinians, right, and we've talked about like um um extremes right it's not it's not to say that um blacks in the neighborhoods are captive populists but it's also not to say that they're being bombed every single fucking day right yeah but they they can see those similarities right yeah but even if you can't why wouldn't you as you said tom why wouldn't you just think that like yeah man they just like don't support genocide. Right.

Like, why is it like it's also just kind of counter to our strongest tool is connecting this to every everything else. You know what I mean? Yeah. Connecting what's going on in Gaza to what's going on with housing and every other issue we face, not just here, but all over the world and making those connecting those dots. And that's not that's what they want. Like they want us to us to be like well why do you care if it doesn't affect you directly like they're playing on that sort of like tribal notion of especially with americans where like well if it doesn't hit my front door i just don't care that much you know what i mean and also the other part of it is is they assume that their fucked up morality is like, what is the accepted?

You know, like so many of these people in the commentary start from this weird fucked up position and assume and are like shocked to know that not everybody sees things the way they do. I know, yeah. You know, like the Jonathan Chates of the world and the David Frums and anybody that was beating the drums of war

in the early aughts, you know what I mean? I want to read this exchange to you. This, I'll do it. Fucking, you know that Zach Beauchamp guy? Oh, yeah, the Beauchamp or whatever. And Derek, between him and Derek Thompson at the Atlantic. Just two minds, just two great, you know, fucking brilliant minds.

Two vacuous minds. Zach Beauchamp says, the obsession with columbia is so depressing nearly everyone involved is behaving terribly in one way or another and it's crowding out discussion of the actual horrors going on in gaza so this guy yeah i'll let you i'll let the follow-up tweet let you know how much he actually cares about the horrors going on in gaza um derek thompson says he replied the ip conflict is deranging at a fractal level within the region it's pushed gaza and israel politics to extremes such that neither government's behavior is morally defensible and the global protests even when they contain moral clarity often descend into pure hatred horrendous zach bochamp you talk about a country that's backed by the united states with nuclear weapons what the fuck are you talking about the worst trick

the devil ever played on us was making everybody think that like uh complete civility is the only virtue exactly the ability to be enlightened and rise above it like that movie civil war that was the whole thing to be to be unopinionated actually to be a pussy is a virtue to be a spineless fucking coward is actually a virtue for these people this is the kicker boat champs reply i've been writing about this professionally for well over a decade and i still don't fully understand why it has this warping effect on outside observers nigga bro dude I mean yo what are you I don't even know what to say man I don't know you know what I saw I saw really I saw

uh I wish I could had the excerpt in front of me I wish I'd found it before this but this one really blew my mind man because this was this reporter uh trying to glean right the the the uh the motivations. Right. Of these protesters. And like writes a blind where he says he spoke to a student. Actually, it was about why student protesters are not speaking to the press. Right. Yeah. Was that what an Atlantic? I think. Yes. And this was a grievance, basically.

He was like, oh, well, these kids didn't want to talk to me. Right. And he writes this line where he says that the student who's been assigned to talk to the press. Right. He said something like, I'm paraphrasing. She spoke at length with nuance. Right. But didn't quote her at all.

Didn't quote her at all, dude. So it's just like, it's just like, but he, but he has like a fucking 1500 words. Right. Whining. Right. About this shit. Yo. The one, the one that fucking got me the one dude i was

cackling for like fucking 30 minutes was the john mccorder op-ed in the new york times where he's um i'm a columbia professor the protests on my campus are not justice and it starts out with like how they can't listen to john cage's famous piece uh four three three three it's like it's like um where it's like uh i don't know it's like a full hour of silence basically the whole point is to get you to listen to what's going on around you and he's like we can't even listen to this because of what's going on around like not even aware of the fucking irony of what he's saying at all the fact that you are clearly trying to block out something that makes you uncomfortable that you don't want to dude the the funniest part though the funniest part of this was

um the other night i watched a dad coming from the protest with his little girl giving a good hard few final snaps on the drum he was carrying nodding at her in crisp salute percussing his perspective into her little mind. This is not peaceful. He played the drums in her ears too loud. He made her half deaf. This is not peaceful. He slapped on the drums a few times. And the imagery that he's indoctrinating her with percussive hypnotic methods like methods and she's gonna be

shaking her hips on television for all said and done nah she could be doing it's like that all right a lot of we about to go but it's just like i have to bring this up because it's just how delusional these people are when they talk about claims of violence or anti-semitism on these campuses remember that lady man it was that that that couple i don't remember i don't know who she is i don't know what prominent she has um but she walked out with a shirt that said i am a jew right oh yeah out into the quad and none of these kids no one cared dude it's like it's like i was at actually i was at um close by uh emory a couple weeks ago right um when b Biden had come to Atlanta. I was protesting with a contingent, right, protesting his arrival.

And there was this guy there that had a sign that said, I love Jews. And we just ignored him. You know what I mean? Like, what are you trying to antagonize us? Because he's not trying to counter protest. It's one fucking guy. You're trying to antagonize us so that you get a response out of us. You know what I mean?

I think that's the thing. The entitlementlement dude israel is like rich kid nation they really are because like i don't know why but i just keep thinking back to that story about the people like the people who were pissed that people on dating apps would put uh no zionists like not interested in dating anybody who's Zionist. Like they were pissed about that. It's like if I was mad that someone was like, don't date me if you don't like backgammon or something. You know what I'm saying?

It's just like, what the fuck? It's just like, but they feel like entitled. Like everything is theirs. Everything belongs to fucking Israel. And they should have open access to it and should be able to kill whoever the fuck they want dictate what goes on in american campuses how the fucking it's just like it's just i mean and again it's the most repulsive mentality it's rich kid nation man yeah or i mean or you know uh you know we're closing out but i just keep thinking about tom which you said man about the little kid man a little kid going around slapping the shit out of

people's like food out of people's hands and shit you know and then can point and say yeah i mean it's now it's not leaving like now it's like you don't even just have to point to the u.s military you could point to like the u.s law enforcement right they're on your fucking side too right it it is yeah i don't know yeah and to just put a final point i forgot to read that gordon gee quote um like about and this just ties it back to what we were talking about like the And to just put a final point, I forgot to read that Gordon Gee quote. And this just ties it back to what we were talking about, how they're using the Soros thing to... They're using an anti-Semitic trope to basically...

Make pro-Zionist arguments. Right, right, right. Like, just to connect it to what's going on on on the campuses did you guys see the fucking quote from gordon gee that i was talking about what did this motherfucker say he like buckle up aaron if you've not so gordon gee is the president of wvu he used to be president of vanderbilt um and uh they you know i don't know how long he's, this is what he said. Mr. Gee, who left the presidency of Brown University

for Vanderbilt two years ago, says niche marketing to Jewish students is part of his elite strategy, quote unquote, to lift Vanderbilt to Ivy League status. Quote, Jewish students by culture and by ability and by the very nature of their liveliness make a university a much more habitable place in terms of intellectual life just like what is this like 19 like like 19 like fucking 63 or some shit dude i mean even before what is going on here it's just like how

can you say something like that it just it's like sam locks in in the comments said made the point that it's like um he read Protocols of Elders of Zion and took the Japanese interpretation of that. It's just like phylo-Semitism becomes anti-Semitism. You know what I mean? Dude, I don't know.

Yo, just to end it out, man. I think you're right, Terrence. There's no end to this. There's no end. That's the point. There's no end to this because the absurd's no end there's no end to this because yeah the absurdities get they get more absurd you know i mean i guess i guess you can you know we can keep calling for a ceasefire and obviously everybody should that's not gonna happen i i genuinely think that this is if we are to take trends that are happening on campus this is spilling over into american life at this point to the extent that the war is coming home and it's not like the weather underground it's not like the weather underground bringing the war home in the case of vietnam it is quite literally

university administrators the democratic party the working, coordinated, hand in hand, to bring the war home here, to ensure that there is no criticism at all. They will not countenance, they will not broker it at all. And they will go to war with Americans on American soil to fucking prove that, to back it up. Just to reiterate what you said,ica is willing to go to war with americans in order to that's just insane man i mean i know it's been done before but that's just it's well actually i don't know man i don't know man i mean well i'll say last thing last thing i'll say i swear maybe we should just start occupying everywhere

you know what I mean maybe it shouldn't just be college campuses maybe motherfuckers just occupy the mall occupy your block it's not gonna I mean yes

yes we should but it's not going to it's not gonna matter anyways because they're coming for us the fucking yeah like we'll be fucking you know

boarding them having to board them in our houses soon. We literally will. We really will. Soldiers and fucking either cops or IDF soldiers or Americans. Listen, listen. Hey, you need to go read a little story by William Faulkner called Mountain Justice to see how I'm going to react to that if the day comes. Brother, you had me by the title. Yeah.

Unless something gets brokered like tomorrow, for example, and they say like finally returning all hostages that Israel hasn't already killed and like putting in place some permanent ceasefire. But that won't happen because the Democrats will not fucking act in that direction because for whatever reason they don't want that or they feel like they whatever that won't happen and so for and so as a result

it will keep spilling over into average american life and maybe when school gets out it's well definitely when school gets out it's going to change because the the location for that will shift i mean i guess you could say it'll be the dnc in chicago but dude that's that's gonna be like i had a friend who said uh they wanted to go to that and i was like man like i support you but good luck man that's gonna be uh don't get your skull cracked man people should go i'm just saying it's gonna be crazy that you would be going to basically get your skull crack because that's the point you would be knowing that you'd be going to do it. That would be the point, right? Because obviously not changing

anything that's happening at the DNC. Right? Like they're not they're not listening to anybody. They're not even doing the we see you, we hear you routine anymore. They're just doing like shut the fuck up. If you bring this up, we'll literally kill you. We see you and this is why we have a sniper up on the wall.

He sees you. He sees you yeah he sees you yo that's so grim um all right well i guess victory i mean it's the william faulkner short story not mountain justice that's a that's a different thing that's a different thing oh i thought that sound i was like that that i would read that i'd read a novel called mountain justice written by oh man just before we go did you see that video where someone actually snuck up on that sniper they like literally snuck up they they like went up to the roof and managed to sneak up on the sniper wait hold up you know he ain't really about shit i did hear i heard that one of these

snipers shot themselves in the foot with a rubber bullet so maybe it was that guy maybe maybe he got snuck up both from behind he was like oh you know oh my god jesus dude um just laying over so i could have killed you motherfucker i could just hold like unloaded gun to the back of his head like the nape of his neck like uh anyways um please go support us on patreon we we're basically like your university hitting you up for like $5. Alumni cash, yeah. Alumni cash, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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